January 27, 2014

Open Thread: Duke-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 6:15 pm

On Saturday I turned on the noon game on ESPN which was Miami-Duke. My 6-1/2-year old son came into the room to see what I was watching.  He’s at that stage where he is trying to watch some sports with me. He looked at the TV and with an exasperated sigh turned to me and said, “Really, Dad? Duke is on TV, again?”

I was so proud of him.

In some manufactured debate, there is the issue of whether this game is being treated as too big for what it really is. A game between two top-twenty teams, but not a top-5 team like Syracuse in a couple weeks. Or past games from the old Big East.

I considered that, but have really do see this as an important game.

It’s a Big Monday game. I would call that slot one if not the biggest spot of the the week. Even bigger at times than the College GameDay Saturday night game. On the weekend there are so many games, it is easy for them to blur. Big weekday college basketball games have less competition.

More people — and especially the media — tune in to watch. A win has huge implications for Pitt. Just consider how perceptions were initially cemented because of the Cinci loss on MSG. A weekday ESPN game.

Syracuse in a couple weeks likely will have a lot of meaning, but a win there is easily slotted into the whole narrative of how Pitt has dominated Syracuse. That they know the Cuse from all the Big East battles.

This is Duke and the ACC. They are the flag bearer of the conference in basketball. (Usually co-flag bearers with UNC, but they are not in that role this year). Pitt has rolled through the ACC to this point, but now it gets real. This is the game to make a statement.


“And Lamar hits the 3!!!” (Just practicing….)

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 6:29 pm

lol Jack….Z with the slam !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 6:41 pm


So, did you see that the high/low in the Coach’s poll for Duke was 4/23 and 17?NR for us? I need you way way way ANGRY about that. We should win tonight. This is Our House.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.27.14 @ 6:42 pm

Panthers by 1. Tight Game but we win within the last 30 seconds. Duke +4 will cover but we will win!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 6:43 pm

“Patterson makes the lay up and is fouled.”


Comment by pmdH2P 01.27.14 @ 6:43 pm

@ pmdH2P

I’M REALLY ANGRY,,,,in 20 years I don’t remember the Pukes being so low ranked.

Regardless.,…Let’s KILL ‘EM !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 6:45 pm

OK, what are the odds that this is lower scoring than the FB games these schools played a few months ago?

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 6:49 pm

Burn their villages and take the women! … Too much?

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 6:50 pm

Now your talking…Panthoor..


Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 6:57 pm


Time for some payback !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 6:58 pm

Pumped for this one. Go PITT!

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 7:00 pm

Patterson is sick.

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 7:08 pm

the freshmen doing it…..nuke to jones for the deuce.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:20 pm

Y got fouled on that drive…btw

Coach Alphabets has a good hair dresser (lol)

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:20 pm

They’re calling no fouls against Duke…

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 7:25 pm

One thing I see Duke doing, is guarding our passes around the perimeter-much more pressure than other teams we’ve played. Panthers seem to be smart about it so far, but if they get sloppy or lazy, Duke will steal it.

Comment by Lou 01.27.14 @ 7:31 pm

UPitt is picking the Panthers…now I’m worried ;)!

Comment by Iron Duke 01.27.14 @ 7:32 pm

These Dook 3’s are killin’ us…

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 7:39 pm

outside defender needs to ‘help’ on Parker,,,,harass him on the dribble

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:40 pm

Ok, Jabari Parker is good.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.27.14 @ 7:40 pm

Our freshmen are getting big minutes in the 1rst half…should bode well for the 2nd half !

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:40 pm

Looks like a sweet sixteen game and as usual they have the lottery pick. Been a second half team this year but not sure who will stop Parker.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.27.14 @ 7:42 pm

Pitt’s trying to run with Dook…

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 7:43 pm

What’s the score?? I’m in Punta Cana and no espn.It is F;n beautiful though…

Comment by The Hagen 01.27.14 @ 7:45 pm

Huge three by Artis.

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 7:46 pm


Comment by The Hagen 01.27.14 @ 7:47 pm

Slice could be a extra in a 1930’s Gangster Movie with those Tommy Gun suits Haha.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 7:48 pm

Pitt down 2

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 7:48 pm

Hagen. Loved it there. Stayed at Barcelo

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 7:49 pm

That’s 2 front ends we’ve missed :-(

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 7:49 pm

Damn. Jabari Parker is the real deal.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.27.14 @ 7:50 pm

Hagen, watch it here:

link to

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 7:50 pm

Halftime. Duke 34 Pitt 32. Parker had 16 points for Duke. Artis and Wright made some huge shots for us.

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 7:51 pm

A very good game. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 01.27.14 @ 7:51 pm

We’re at Paradisus. Fantastic. The concierge just spent an hour trying to find the game but they don’t get it on Satellite. Told the wife we’re taking a walk on the beach with a Remy and now I’m back in the room depending on you guys.. htp!

Comment by The Hagen 01.27.14 @ 7:53 pm

If you got internet..,here’s the game link…Hagen–pittsburgh

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:54 pm

Patterson with 4 points and another poor (by his standards) first half. If he has the 2nd half he usually does Pitt should win. No way they hit 3’s like that all game.

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Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 7:55 pm

Pitt needs to buy the cheerleaders some Oakland Zoo Gold uni’s.

The T’s aren’t cutting it.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:55 pm

Duke giving LP zero space, nice that Artis has hit a couple 3’s. We finish around the hoop, we’re up 6 right now. Pitt is the stronger team in the paint, now gotta finish or get to the line.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.27.14 @ 7:57 pm

down by 2 at half, Duke hot shooting, Lamar with only 4 pts. he and Robinson missed front end on 1 and 1

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 7:57 pm

Dear ESPN. Please stop showing close ups of Duke players every time they make a basket. I have yet to see Pitt inbound & bring it up to the front court after a make.

Comment by Nick 01.27.14 @ 7:57 pm

interesting halftime score….lol

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 7:57 pm

Both teams are playing well. Just a good college game to watch! We just need to finish our bunnies, and we’ll be fine!

Hail to PITT!

Comment by Oregon_Panther 01.27.14 @ 7:58 pm

Emel, Jackagain, I love you guys!! Thank you. I’m in.

Comment by The Hagen 01.27.14 @ 7:59 pm

can’t get the radio broadcast…who is Dick Groat rooting for…..his employer or his alma mater ?

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:00 pm

Groat is all Pitt

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.27.14 @ 8:03 pm


He’s rooting for Pitt and griping about the missed alley-oop on the 3-on-1.

Comment by Howard 01.27.14 @ 8:03 pm

Halftime FB score: Pitt 37 Duke 28

Groat said the other day he is definitely a Pitt fan

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 8:04 pm

Patterson just needs to be more aggressive, try to get to the hoop a little more. If Dook is going to be so aggressive defending the perimeter then need to start looking for some back doors.

And, yes, finish strong around the hoop. Go through those f&@$ers, not around or over them.

Comment by Carmen 01.27.14 @ 8:04 pm

I’m cracking my 2nd El Presidente and settling in for the second half. Vaminos Panthers!!!

Comment by The Hagen 01.27.14 @ 8:05 pm

Pitt has 5 total turnovers, Patterson has 4 of them. He’s shown the ability to bounce back from bad halves in the past. Not sure if Panthers can overcome another half like that from him.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 01.27.14 @ 8:06 pm

Groat has a point. That was a terribly run break. Cam panicked. Cannot waste those opportunities.

Comment by Carmen 01.27.14 @ 8:06 pm

Have fun Hagen!!!!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:07 pm

pitt needs a win against a top 20 team.

Comment by goalie44 01.27.14 @ 8:07 pm

You got to bring Lamar to the top of the key, so they can’t trap him.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:10 pm

Plus he likes to shoot from the Top of the Key area…

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:11 pm

That really was a horrible injury to Cook that night.

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 8:13 pm

Got to start converting these FT’s…

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:15 pm

Need to guard the 3 and on offense make free throws

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:15 pm

we got the non-con ribbing again…from McDonough, and even a chuckle…just incredulous….every team plays rent-a-wins …..that are never never mentioned. And McDonough’s Cusey is one of the most notorious…somebody tweet that a-hole !

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:19 pm

Artis needs more minutes

Comment by Nick 01.27.14 @ 8:20 pm

EAPN is going to make me vomit. Did you see that. Good god

Comment by Yeti 01.27.14 @ 8:21 pm

Patterson needs to make a shot quick.

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 8:21 pm

Nice shot and a good timeout.

Comment by Panthoor 01.27.14 @ 8:23 pm

Better call a TO dixon. Geesh

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:25 pm

K calls TO after LP basket. Stopping him is focus.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.27.14 @ 8:30 pm

D has to toughen up and Patterson has to step up. That simple.

Comment by Carmen 01.27.14 @ 8:31 pm

instead of giving them all these layups..foul em….like they do us !!!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:32 pm

Duke’s getting the ‘Royal’ treatment…no wonder JD is angry….I’m FUMING !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:38 pm

This has been a really disappointing game. Our defense has been absent all night and Patterson has been really poor. I don’t know why. I really expected him to step up at some point this second half but he just hasn’t. Slowly slipping away here unless Pitt makes a stand defensively

Comment by Mac 01.27.14 @ 8:39 pm


I think they heard you but were confused. SMH.

Comment by Yeti 01.27.14 @ 8:39 pm

Gonna take minor miracle. ACC is not letting the Royal FSM lose 2 on the road

Comment by Old School Panther 01.27.14 @ 8:40 pm

Duke starting to pound the boards…we just need to pound harder.

Hail to PITT!

Comment by Oregon_Panther 01.27.14 @ 8:40 pm

And the bottle of whiskey gets opened

Comment by Yeti 01.27.14 @ 8:40 pm

Looks like this team’s is still young and not ready for prime time yet…

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 8:40 pm

Duke is out-rebounding, out-passing, out-defending, and out-shooting Pitt right now.

Comment by Lou 01.27.14 @ 8:42 pm


Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:43 pm

Duke -4 was a gift. This is pathetic.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:44 pm

Anyway…this should be the start of a great hated rivalry…Dixon’s first loss to a true ACC team.

Dixon needs to sit down before he has a heart attack…look at cool coach K enjoying his seat.

The 3 ball killed us all night….just our luck that they can’t miss tonight. Saturday they’ll be 5-18…

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 8:44 pm

Like clockwork LP has a big play Duke calls time

Comment by Yeti 01.27.14 @ 8:46 pm

well Cusey’s zone won’t give up all these easy layups and dunks…

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:46 pm

they are better than us at every position,,,,which means you can’t play Man to man….you have to play Zone.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:47 pm

Duke’s best game tis season. Pitt is out classed tonight.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.27.14 @ 8:47 pm

Please let’s refrain from all the Dixon-is-the-greatest comments after this debacle.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.27.14 @ 8:48 pm

Wow, I was nervous about tonight but did not expect this. Geez

Comment by Annie 01.27.14 @ 8:49 pm

come on…JD….put on a full court, 3/4 court, 1/2 court…press, trap…something, anything

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:49 pm

if pitt wants respect from the media, they will need to have a high quality win. their best win is stanford??

Comment by goalie44 01.27.14 @ 8:50 pm

Hagen….you can always watch the Pens here if ya want…that’s what I’m doing…

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Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 8:50 pm

Duke is routing us at the Pete.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.27.14 @ 8:50 pm

Unfortunately Pitt is proving everybody in the country correct.
This game felt bad since 5 minutes in. Time to refocus for Virginia

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 01.27.14 @ 8:51 pm

One-and-done in March Madness. The talk is starting.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.27.14 @ 8:52 pm

Duke is shooting lights out… What are you going to do?

Comment by Pitt2Cali 01.27.14 @ 8:52 pm

Game Over. Its Miller Time. As in Beer not Sean.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:53 pm

Emel, Pitt tried a zone for I think 2 posessions. Duke made it look silly twice.

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.27.14 @ 8:53 pm

boy i wish Z had a stronger upper body…

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:54 pm

ok…come out of the TO and don’t guard the inbounds passer….gives you an extra guy to double team

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:54 pm

This is why you should schedule better competition in the road Pederson. It makes you better and tougher.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:55 pm

BTW….go Cuse on Saturday. I’m sure this was a statement game from the old guard of the ACC…

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 8:55 pm

That was about an 8 second out of bounds and the ref only counted to 3. Watch the replay. Oh my fucking god does Duke get everything.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 8:56 pm

no upitt…this is why you practice your press against rent-a-wins. MD had a tough non-con..did it help them. Glad to see you tonite…

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:57 pm

pitt getting blown out is not the ref’s fault…

Comment by goalie44 01.27.14 @ 8:57 pm

Duke may have 18 or 19 3pointers

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:57 pm

come on lengthen the game….like you saw MD & GT do against us…foul them…make them at least make some FT’s.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 8:58 pm

Emel, i know you took Duke + 4. To many points to pass up. I thought we would win but not cover. I was half right. Take care man.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 8:59 pm

Better talent. Wins most of the time.

Comment by JP 01.27.14 @ 8:59 pm

Duke is a well-coached team, as is PITT…but tonight, Duke played better in the second half, and Dawkins shot lights out.

Hail to PITT,

Comment by Oregon_Panther 01.27.14 @ 9:00 pm

I respect coach K but man i hate duke

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 9:00 pm

well this sucks….idk how on earth duke is shooting this well….no defense…I really don’t even think duke is that quick or more athletic…just shooting lights out..talib missed so many bunnies, so did young and everyone…unfortunate…time to look for Virginia..i still am hopeful for the season …losses happen man…I just am so friggen sick to my stomach of us being unable to win a big one…we lose to cuse by 5(really 1) , and we woop Clemson who can beat duke by 13 …

Comment by Fred 01.27.14 @ 9:00 pm

thanks Jack

Comment by The Hagen 01.27.14 @ 9:00 pm

Emel, You like broncos -2?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 9:01 pm

The stat I think made a lot of difference – Pitt 10 offensive rebounds, Duke 11. 2nd chance points – Pitt 7, Duke 20

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.27.14 @ 9:01 pm

Not one-and-done in March….we’ll win the first game and lose the 2nd one to a good team. Pitt has lost all 3 games to ranked teams. They are what we thought they were going into the season.

The game Sunday is huge now or we might end up 5th or 6th in the ACC when the dust settles.

Comment by Jackagain 01.27.14 @ 9:02 pm

It’s appropriate duke is in Royal Blue,

The Bluest of college basketball bluebloods.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:02 pm

Love ya Panthers, always will, but the lack of a signature win is glaring

Comment by BATR 01.27.14 @ 9:03 pm

It’s still only January and a lot of baseball left. This one hurts but as a pitt fan you know you are going to feel pain every now and then. The other team shot lights out. We better come out blazin against UVA.

Comment by Yeti 01.27.14 @ 9:04 pm

Ranked teams…..just like you play starting in the 2nd round of the tournament….and Pitt’s 0-3. Can’t bitch about Seth Davis now.

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 01.27.14 @ 9:04 pm

I don’t bet on the NFL ,,,upitt

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:05 pm

I hate autocorrect. BASKETBALL

Comment by Yeti 01.27.14 @ 9:05 pm

yes we can…Antigua….he’s still a super schmuck

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:06 pm

spanked by a better team. When Duke is playing well, they are extremely hard to beat .. and they have been extremely hard to beat in the last couple of weeks

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 9:06 pm

Duke is better than Syracuse. I could see this team making a Final Four run, they’ve got two lottery picks. When they hit 3’s at a 50+% clip there’s nothing you can do.

They also frustrated Pitt’s offense, extended them away from the hoop and gave Pitt’s guards no space. Zanna also MIA for long stretches tonight.

Biggest disappointment is we still have no wins to hang our hat on. Better get one vs. UVa,

Comment by Iron Duke 01.27.14 @ 9:07 pm

i guess we dont have a good team after all same old story play some one real good and get are ass kicked

Comment by Frankcan 01.27.14 @ 9:07 pm

the one plus is all of the freshmen showed they have some game, and they will all get better

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 9:08 pm

Tough loss. Duke shot way better than they should have and we did not play with intensity in the second half. It is still possible to have a great season.

Still proud of our guys.


Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 9:08 pm

We didn’t give them any or many different looks on defense. Against a Coach Alphabets team, they will eventually ‘tear you up’….if you don’t.

How many points did they get off of inbounds plays,,,,10. incredible

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:08 pm

Seth Davis still sucks

Comment by Iron Duke 01.27.14 @ 9:09 pm

Just like the Syracuse game Pitt should take this loss as a learning experience. Coach K is an outstanding coach and he didn’t let Pitt get an momentum ion any half.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.27.14 @ 9:10 pm

excellent point wbb…all 3 freshmen played very well..especially Artis & Young……best they’ve played collectively for weeks.


F*ck Puke !

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:10 pm

Duke is normally 40% from 3. That’s 9 extra points tonight based on season average.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 9:12 pm

Still think when you play teams with better athletes, much more highly rated recruits, etc.
You have to have multiple defenses you play well.

Man to man against better individual players doesn’t work. For all of them can take your guys off the dribble. Which is what Puke did over and over tonite !

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:13 pm

It will pain me no end but I have to root for Cuse on Saturday. We don’t play Duke again so they need to have at least one more loss.

MUST MUST MUST beat UVa on Groundhog Day.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 9:14 pm

Still 6 and 2 with 10 conference games to go. Time to learn and move on and up.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 9:15 pm

they made our defense look sick. When you have talented guys running plays and hitting 3s, there’s not much we can do

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 9:15 pm

Call me crazy, however, Pitt looked tired. Maybe playing on Saturday and then again tonight was too much. Tired legs under the basket, missed bunnies and a lack of sharp defense. The Duke out of bounds plays from near the basket were too easy for them to execute.

Oh well, bring on UVA.

Comment by isnore 01.27.14 @ 9:15 pm

wow,..espn couldn’t wait to post our loss in the ACC standings already…’s on there already.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:15 pm

say what you want but for me every time i think we will be great and i can brag abought pitt they let me down and lose lose hell they were blown out.
they as usual will have no chance in the NCAA if you cant win a game like this on your home court you will not go any were. and we should not be ranked higher then 25 if even that high.

Comment by Frankcan 01.27.14 @ 9:18 pm

@ isnore…you might be right…Pitt looked real tired in the 2nd half.

However we did get a lot of minutes out of our freshmen in the 1rst half, so…..

First game against a real college blueblood did not go as anticipated. Don’t think the 58-55 football win helped either. Would have rather beaten the Pukes in basketball, even though I was at the football game.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:19 pm

Lamar and zanna a combined 6 of 21. Duke shoot 40% from 3 like pitt dad says, and zanna and lp should average, and its a pitt win.

I am still enjoying the ride! This team was suppsed to suck, according to many blatherites, when adams left plus the other off season losses. Still amazed how good this group is!

Still, it would be nice to go .500 against va, nc, cuse and duke for the rest of the year!

Comment by DD 01.27.14 @ 9:20 pm

I’m going to try to not overreact too much (I think some of you will do enough overacting to make up for my lack of it).

We got to the line 24 times. Shot 75% from the line, 42% from 3. 4 total points from having six guys in double figures. Dawkins was killer. Hitting tough contested 3’s as well as the wide open ones.

We REALLY miss Durand’s 16 minutes, 9 points and his ability to hit few big shots to extend a run or end an opponent’s run.

Scouting report, stifle Lamar Patterson, force someone else to step up. Lamar has to score close to 20. Cam needs to get into double figures every game, unfortunately.

One thing I do know about this game, is that I have to get up and go to work tomorrow.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.27.14 @ 9:21 pm

the freshmen played better than the seniors

Comment by wbb 01.27.14 @ 9:21 pm

Duke is starting to peak and correct their earlier problems…it’s a long season, and sometimes when you play team makes a difference. Having said that, PITT didn’t play bad, Duke just played better, and I would surmise no one else is likely to shoot six of seven from three point land.

Fortunately, we play again Sunday.

Hail to PITT!

Comment by Oregon_Panther 01.27.14 @ 9:21 pm

Shoot not should! My writing is as sloppy as our defense tonight!

Comment by DD 01.27.14 @ 9:22 pm

DU played very well. They really wanted this game. We tried and some of our Freshman players are getting better. Go get VA and things will work out.

Comment by Frank 01.27.14 @ 9:26 pm

Yea well Lamar was getting doubled & tripled on almost every play.

They never did let him operate from the Top of the Key where it is harder to double, triple him.

Not having a PG that can also be a threat offensively in these type of games is also something that’s tough to overcome. Regardless of how many wins he was associated with DeMatha. (sean did finally get that tidbit out in the last couple minutes, he waited long enough). It’s basically all on Lamar when the offense stalls.

He was able to do it against MD, but Duke ain’t MD. They have 4 & 5 star recruits at every position.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:27 pm

Crazy part is Arizona would beat Duke by 15. They are that good.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 9:28 pm

I hate Duke, Coach K, Jay Bias, (spelling it as I hear it)Dickface V, Mickey Mouse & ESPN. Now I feel better, Nuff said

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 01.27.14 @ 9:29 pm

Don’t know about that….they a Duquesne Duke starting at guard…upitt

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:31 pm

The pac 12 is weak..they have one (1) ranked team.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:33 pm

well…Sunday is a ‘must win’ game now. or we fall out of the polls.

And we’re catching UVA at the wrong time as well.

Duke did lose by 13 points to Clemson. So….just like in life…..timing is EVERYTHING !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:35 pm

And how about this sense of ‘timing’ out of ESPN insider article. (right on their front page)

“Is Pitt an ACC title contender?

The computers and polls don’t agree on the Panthers. Which are right? ”

lmao….you can’t make this stuff up

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:42 pm

come on face it we will beat the not so good teams and the a little above average teams. but we are not in the big boy league when we play a real good team we will get are ass kicked.
get used to it and it will not hurt as much we were fooled in to beliveing we were real good we are not we will finish 4th in the ACC and be out of the NCAA in the first or second round depending on the match up.
we are not a real good team just a little above average we are no big deal the sooner you realize that the less hurt you will be.

Comment by Frankcan 01.27.14 @ 9:50 pm

Arizona would, Upittbaseball , huh? Man, you’re so smart! How do you know all these things? It’s awesome! I think I speak for all of us when I say… Tell us more!!!!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 01.27.14 @ 9:51 pm

Emel, They play a Damn good Non Con. Michigan 10th, Duke 18th, San Diego State 5th. That helped them I think and they went on the road.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 9:51 pm

Just got home, that’s what’s called running into a buzzsaw.

We said we would only go as far as Patterson and Zanna would take us. Tonight we found out.

We played very poor defense and they shot lights out.

Jabari Parker put on a show, hope he goes Pro next year. They made 13 3 point shots to our 5.

Zanna needs to make his foul shots or they will keep on fouling him. Better still finish and get the plus 1.

Totally outclassed today, too much talent. They looked bigger, faster, stronger and they shot lights out. I’d say they beat us 9 out of 10 times.

Comment by gc 01.27.14 @ 9:55 pm

I didn’t say anything about AZ’s non con…I said the Pac 12 is weak…you agree…Yes/No ?

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:55 pm

PittCali – Here we go again. Sean Miller stinks and Dixon is God and what Sean has done is all because of Lute. Give me a break.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 9:55 pm

Yes. UCLA and USC are pretty good but not great. Its not Big 12 strong. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 9:56 pm

they shot 48% same as MD…too many easy layups, putbacks, dunks. They must have had 10 points off of inbounds plays. Never saw so many.

We should have fouled them rather than giving up bunny’s. Like all these teams do to us. Make them earn them on the FT line.

Game would have been much closer if Pitt makes their FT’s. Lamar & JR missed several. Z,..well he always is an adventure at the line.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 9:59 pm

In my opinion, Duke beats anyone in the country with the way they played tonight… Got to catch them on an off night to beat that kind of talent… And coaching…

Not down on Pitt at all… I think we’ll learn from this loss and bounce back against Virginia!

H2P! Keep your heads up! It’s a long season!

Comment by Pitt2Cali 01.27.14 @ 10:00 pm

@Frankcan, we are a really good basketball team, they are a potentially great basketball team.

Parker is a lottery pick. A guy off their bench hit 6 out of 7 3 point shots. We don’t have anyone that could do that.

Comment by gc 01.27.14 @ 10:00 pm

Emel, remember we used to talk about a free throw coach. You could do that in Winter and Special Teams for Football in Fall.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:02 pm

Surely you jest Upitt…USC is 10-10 and 1-6 in conference.

Wake Forest beat USC by 14 points. Even Utah State beat them by 13 points.

Boston College beat them by 16 points.

Can’t believe the ESPN tools said the Pac 12 was better than the ACC. joke…just to justify AZ being kept #1.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:02 pm

Bilas said only Washington State was weak in the Pac 12.

He might be getting paid the big bucks but he better start looking at the facts…not the hype.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:04 pm

Actually they won that game in the 2nd half…Parker only had a few points in the 2nd half.

the Dawkins kid killed us…he made 6 of 7 3’s.
20 points in 15 minutes…our perimeter defense was horrid.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:07 pm

To you people who say “Pitt is who we thought they were at beginning of the season” are the same people who before the season started said the team would be lucky to make the tournament. You are also the same who were begging to have Dixon leave. You guys don’t know what you are talking about. Losing to a Duke team which is going to probably end up top 5 by the end of the season isn’t a season ender. It’s January. Duke only went on the mini swoon because Coach K was distracted from his job as his brother passed away. He even admitted as much. Duke had a really good shooting night and Pitt didn’t. It happens. Pitt has three losses to three really good teams. Loss tonight will hurt seeding. But doesn’t change fact that Still a good team. Quit being such negative babies.

Honestly most Pitt “fans” are beyond lame anymore. The crowd at the Pete was the worst big game crowd I’ve ever seen at the Pete by far. And I’ve been to every game. Way too many people were quiet even in the first half. Plus, there were way too many Duke fans at the game.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.27.14 @ 10:07 pm

And remember, fellow Blatherites, the real leaders of Pitt, Nordenberg and Pederson, are sitting back tonight and smiling. They got the revenue from another sellout crowd and they got to stress what a great university Pitt is. UPMC signs were shown on ESPN all night long.

All in all, a very good night for the bottom line.
They feel pretty confident this team will make the NCAA Tournament, and isn’t that all they really want anyway?

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.27.14 @ 10:08 pm

USC is a stretch but UCLA is decent LOL. Im actually surprised how the Big 12 stepped up. Big 10 stinks. Big East and ACC is good!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:08 pm

so was that an aberration or what….a kid averaging 8.8 ppg and about 10 -15 minutes…goes off for 20 points.

McDonough was making a big deal about Artis & Young making 3’s….but failed to mention (of course) that Dawkins went off….only avg’g 8.8 ppg

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:11 pm

Ward. I didn’t think we would win half the games we won. Im pleasantly surprised. But the fans who say we are going to the Final 4 are smoking Northern Lights.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:11 pm

^^ Ward….exactly….the Opera crowd…wore their gold Zoo shirts like good little troopers, but sat on their hands most of the game.

Ppl are like mannequins….totally useless.

Why do they even go to the games, if they’re not going to participate. Stay home

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:14 pm

The problem is these mannequins just want to be entertained.

They are not there to try to energize the team and encourage them.

USELESS EATERS. off with their heads !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:17 pm

Emel – maybe Im crazy but the girls in the crowd made the ugly gals at Duke look good. You telling me we dont have a few hotties that go to hoops games?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:20 pm

Hey,Shit happens! I still love the team.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.27.14 @ 10:20 pm

TonyInHouston, what the heck does any of your ranting have to do with anything? Literally you have no point. Pitt has a top coach who gets to pick whatever assistants he wants. But yeah babble more nonsense.

UPitt, this team could easily make a tourney run. Are they the favorites to? No. But when hot the team could beat anyone.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.27.14 @ 10:21 pm

Emel, the opera crowd is getting worse and worse every year. I guess people just get tickets to sell them. Half way into the first half I took a photo that showed tons of empty seats in the lower level.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.27.14 @ 10:24 pm

@ upitt…there were plenty of hotties there…espn camera’s always find the most homely and fat ones.

didn’t show our dance girls all game or our cheerleaders, but for a brief flash coming out of halftime.

You see when you play Duke, your cheerleaders don’t get any airtime !

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:24 pm

Ward I agree but you know our stats come March. Hope you are right.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:25 pm

PITT has an excellent crop of cheerleaders and Dance Squad girls I must say.

Theresa did an excellent job !!!

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:28 pm

Pitt wasn’t terrible tonight… Duke was on fire. End of story. Time to move on.

Comment by Pitt2Cali 01.27.14 @ 10:28 pm

Emel, TV never shows them. Theresa was there when I was there. Haha

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:32 pm

gc you just made my point we dont have any body on are team that can do that and we dont have a lottery pick on are team.
so as i said we can not play with the big boys.
and will be out of the NCAA in the first round i dont think you get my pont yes we wll win 22 or more games that is great and go to the NCAA and this is all good i am glad that is wonderful but i thought we might be over the hump i thought we might have a great team now i know we dont we are like we are every year so dont get your hopes up thinking we are more then what we are that is what i meant not much better then years past just the same 20 some wins out of NCAA in first or second round

Comment by Frankcan 01.27.14 @ 10:32 pm

Just finished watching on DVR. Holy sh..!! Duke has some players AND they seem to LOVE the PETE. Obviously they were great on offense but K had them turned up several notches on defense.

Pitt played OK but when you get hit with daggers every 3 minutes, it it tough. My only disappointment is Zanna and a few others around the rim both rebounding and going up strong. Oh yeah, thought the crowd was not much of a factor but again, it is tough to cheer through raining 3 bombs.

Comment by TVax 01.27.14 @ 10:36 pm

Theresa is still there dude. They show them on occasion. But tonite, they didn’t…go figure.

Different rules when you play a real college basketball blueblood.

Pitt Scored 32 in the 1rst half and 33 in the 2nd.

Duke scored 34 in the 1rst half and 46 in the 2nd.

They are on a different level than us. Right now

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:37 pm

And in fact we will probably never get to Duke’s level. Plain and simple.

We might beat them on occasion like we did at MSG, but that PITT team had 2 NBA players on it.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:39 pm

Yep. Dukes Head of Cheerleading is an Ex pitt Dancer. Will tell you that story over dinner down there. Haha

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 10:41 pm

Upitt, no way does any team beat this Duke team by any margin let alone 15 if they play like they did tonight. That’s f’in absurd, so please control the troll in you.

This one well be harder to rebound from, but I did like the play and the attitude of the freshmen and especially Artis.

Next 2 games are huge for this not to snowball into anything.

Comment by TVax 01.27.14 @ 10:45 pm

This one “will..

Comment by TVax 01.27.14 @ 10:46 pm

Duke’s talent is top 5 nationally, several NBA players and as good as they were tonight what we saw was an aberration, they won’t have another game like that. And we won’t play as badly as we did tonight, also an aberration. We have some work to do.We did not respond to their plan to take LP out of the game. K saw what he did in Syr, so he called TO after LP basket. Wasn’t letting Lamar get started. I didn’t think conference wouldlet Duke lose two consecutively on the road to former BE teams, they got the calls Pitt usually gets at the Pete. Duke will not shoot like that in Syr; so they’ll go 1-1. VA is for ranking and seeding. Need to bounce back, still have a shot for 2nd seed I. ACC tournament.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.27.14 @ 10:47 pm

One thing Syracuse won’t give up all those easy layups they got in the 2nd half, and I doubt they give up all those points we gave up on inbounds plays. Alphabets took us to school on those.

JD has a nice system, great passing, etc. We need better players. In these big games….that does matter. As I’ve posted before….in big games…the other teams rachet up their defense and play as hard as us.

At that point talent wins. (unless you have some gimmick defense or shoot the 3 extraordinarily well) We do neither.

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:53 pm

ok…I was at the game…the pete wanted to explode but duke didn’t allow it…listen..Duke played it’s best game of the year and will beat anyone if they shoot like that…it’s just one lose..we should be fine..

Comment by Keith 01.27.14 @ 10:54 pm

I’m outta here, it was only 1 game in January. This team has still overachieved to this point. We are still 6-2 in the ACC.

We could have easily won against Cincy & Cusey.

Not so much tonite. Duke is better than both of those two. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Dookies give Cusey their first loss on Sat.

We will have a much easier time with a lot less talented UVA team. After playing the 5 star recruits of Duke they shouldn’t seem like much.

H2P !
VeV !

Comment by Emel 01.27.14 @ 10:59 pm

13 three’s…how do you beat that….and they locked down Lamar…others need to step up…I think Artis could be a real nice offensive threat for us..i’d like to see him with more minutes

Comment by Keith 01.27.14 @ 11:02 pm

Frankcan, your mistake was thinking that this team is more than it is. It is a very good team, when it plays strong defense and plays like a team. But to think that we have players to match Duke is just silly. Clemson beat Duke and we killed Clemson, therefore on any given night….

But when the boys are throwing down threes and not making turnovers you get outclassed.

We are a top twenty team, not a top ten team.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Losing Durand Johnson hurt a lot.

When you only have one go to guy, teams like Duke can shut him down.

Comment by gc 01.27.14 @ 11:04 pm

Duke gave us their absolute A+++ game tonight and we couldn’t answer. Two steps forward, one step back is still one step forward.

This team is light years ahead of where anyone expected and they still have 10 games and the ACC tournament to get ready for the dance.

One loss. To a team shooting and playing lights out. Love what I saw from our freshmen. Another double double for Zanna but not enough in general from our seniors.



Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 11:06 pm

@Keith, I agree, Artis was hot and Jamie sat him down. Bigger problem was no one was playing D.

Comment by gc 01.27.14 @ 11:06 pm

Tvax – the same Duke team that already lost 4 games. Yeah, no one will beat them when the team doesnt play defense against them. Yes Duke played great tonight but this is the same team tgat lost to Clemson 2 weeks ago. Its easy to call someone a troll vs look at the truth in the situation. Arizona would smoke them. They actually already beat them.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 11:09 pm

We typically overachieve with the talent we have. Duke has much better players and Parker is unreal. His drive to start the game was NBA like. He will be a top pick. Unless that talent has an off night they are difficult to beat.

Pitt is good but does not have the talent to hang unless they play a perfect game. Duke has the luxury of being able to have different players step up if one is having an off night. Tonight they were all on.

Comment by Jp 01.27.14 @ 11:10 pm

gc yes that is right i thought we had a great team i should have known better you are right.
i wanted us to be great and what makes me so dumb is i am the one who says we dont have good enough players on the team no 5 stars or 4 stars then i forgot and that we were better then we were i should have known better. you cant be great if you dont have the players how often have i said that.

Comment by Frankcan 01.27.14 @ 11:18 pm

Ok. I’m done for the night. You guys have a good one. Let me know if I miss anything important.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.27.14 @ 11:25 pm

Losing sucks, but we need to get over it. No one could have beaten Duke tonight. We just need to bounce back vs. Virginia. The sun will come up tomorrow, as they say.

Comment by Vonteego's Way 01.27.14 @ 11:28 pm

Upitt – Zona beat this same Duke team by 6 not 15 AND this Duke team has never shot like they did tonight. And don’t tell me our D was the whole reason.

Next absurd statement, “Yes Duke played great tonight but this is the same team tgat lost to Clemson 2 weeks ago.” – more troll by you as this Duke team obviously IS NOT that team.

BTW, I didn’t call you a troll but Arizona didn’t smoke them and would not have beaten them tonight.

Often you seem intelligent and informed in your comments, but admit it, you can’t control the troll in you at times. If it is your passion combined with frustration then I can understand it. I try enjoying life more.

Hey, if Pitt does everything you say and accomplishes the NC, what next?

Comment by TVax 01.27.14 @ 11:41 pm

The talent that separates pitt and duke is so great I’m ashamed to say I don’t foresee an acc championship in JDs future unless he really starts to recruit better. Take a look at dukes class for next year then take a look at who pitt is bringing in……. Frustrating

Comment by Carey 01.27.14 @ 11:48 pm

Tvax – Good post. I still think AZ’s size makes a difference. Yes, Duke shooting like tonight they go 20-1 I bet. If we won it all in Hoops it would validate Dixon and erase the March bug he has. Take care man. Hipe the boys are up for this UVA Team. They seem physical. I am afraid Coach K may give a lot of teams a roadmap taking patterson out of game. Nees others to step up. Goodnight.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.27.14 @ 11:53 pm

Pitts defense got exposed tonight. Ugly loss to a much better team. Hats off to the Dukies !

Comment by Dan 72 01.28.14 @ 12:14 am

This loss was a difficult one for us. And by us, I mean us the fans. Hope it isn’t for us the team and JD.

Let hope this “better than expected” Pitt team responds even better than imaginable. Blather is less fun between games after a loss.

Comment by TVax 01.28.14 @ 12:56 am

2 other comments – 1. obviously way to much talk about NOT storming the court and 2. I NEVER like to hear our coach say “we’re fine” at the half-time short interview. Although the alternative, “We’re sure screwed if they keep shooting like that” probably wouldn’t work for me either.

Signing off with a “Night all”, not going with goodnight for now and thnx Upitt – keep up the passion.

Comment by TVax 01.28.14 @ 1:09 am

Duke really game planned well, as expected with Coach K. They hedged hard with the double team even before our bigs set the pick. PITT adjusted and rolled the bigs hard to the basket but Duke rotated well. They shot the 3s well. This game should serve PITT well in the future…lesson learned.

Comment by Pittastic 01.28.14 @ 5:59 am

Folks…..step away from the ledge..IT IS ONE LOSS IN JANUARY! 😉

The NCAA tourney does not start tomorrow. Disappointing loss at home. However…

1. You aren’t going to beat talented teams when they shoot 50% from 3 point land
2. Your 2 top senior players are shut down…don’t show up (miss easy layups)
3. Your defense goes to sleep on too many plays.

Lots to work on in too many practices between now & the end of the season. Let’s see how good this team is against Va & Fla St the the Cuse @ home.

My view….this is a “good” Pitt team….not a “great” Pitt team.

We can boo-hoo all we want about losing Durand J….but that’s why they call it a “team” …..that’s why you hopefully have a deep bench.


Comment by The TRUTH 01.28.14 @ 7:21 am

The game turned bigtime in the 2nd half, as when we didn’t get any stops on defense, we had to play halfcourt offense. It worked for awhile, however what happened against Cincy and Cuse, happened against Duke.

** We went long periods of time without scoring a FG.

** At 9:29 left it was 52-51, Duke scored the next 12 points to make it 64-51 at 6:07, effectively ending the game.

You get behind a team like Duke by 13 with only 6 minutes left and Pitt not being a team that can quickly produce turnovers with a press or some sort of half court trap. Game Over.

That is why, you need to work on some sort of press, and use it and produce some turnovers in the regular season. Like anything else, to gain some confidence in it. It then works better and maybe you can produce a few turnovers with it, should you be again in the position you were last nite.

Also a team like us who struggles to score against
‘better’ opponents in the halfcourt offense, it could be used to create some turnovers and get easier scoring opportunities in transition.

This is what you need in the Big Dance, when faced with a team with superior talent. You need some other ‘tricks’ in the bag.

We are mostly a ‘one trick pony’ on defense and that…my bro’s ….will only get you so far in the Dance.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 7:33 am

And I might….that will only get you so far, again in the Dance…. against a well coached team.

Rent-a-win games should be used to install a defense you might need(like a press, like a 1-3-1 trap, etc)…down the road…against teams where you need to create turnovers in a hurry.

Rent-a-wins should not be used just to win by 30+ points and pad your ‘W’ column.

Then they are not being used productively.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 7:41 am

And I might add ^^ (my bad)

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 7:43 am

When a team is out matched talent wise, it’s the D that is the equalizer and last night Pitt did not defend like a Pitt D can. Duke had good ball movement and many easy uncontested shots. This loss was a team loss no question. Pitt will bounce back against VA and guard them closer.

I agree with Emel, Pitt needs to put the full-court press in their portfolio, if just to change the temp of the game. Duke was way too comfortable last night in their sets.

Let’s see how the ‘Cuse handles the Dukoids in Orangeland.
Hail to Pitt.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.28.14 @ 8:10 am

I’m still bummed over last night’s butt kicking.

On a positive note, I saw in this morning’s PG that Pitt football landed it’s second player from the class of 2015. Kittaning high’s Nick Bowers made a verbal commitment after his unofficial visit this weekend. He’s 6’4″ 230 lbs and played several positions at Kittaning from slot back, wide receiver, tailback, and quarterback. He was recruited to play tight end.

Comment by Justinian 01.28.14 @ 8:14 am

How did those guys manage to lose a game? Sheesh!

They couldn’t miss in the second half, and the refs gave them every break in the world. That’s an unbeatable combination….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 01.28.14 @ 8:46 am

wanna stop layups? play more zone

Comment by DocJLK 01.28.14 @ 8:50 am

Defense was a problem but when Patterson is 4 for 14 and Zanna is 2 for 7, you aren’t scoring enough to beat anyone. The rap on Duke was they don’t play defense or rebound well. Not last night.

It is only one loss, as long as we recover in time to beat VA all is not lost.

The Zoo was great last night, they never quit. Duke took the rest of the crowd out of it in the second half, not a lot to cheer for.

There were a lot of Dukies in the crowd. Many corporate seats gifted to their fans, that’s business. I imagine quite a few ticket holders had a nice payday as well. Hey, it’s all good for the Pittsburgh economy.

Jamie needs to spread the ball around more when Patterson and Zanna are being mugged. Artis was hot but Young looks hesitant to shoot. He’s got a good shot and needs to take the open ones.

Coach K owns the refs, I don’t think we got one close call.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 9:07 am

Can someone explain to me why Jamie doesn’t use the intentional foul at the end of a game like this to at least try to make it close. With about 4 minutes left down 10, we kept letting them use 35 seconds and then get an easy basket or make a 3. Even if they make both foul shots you at least stop the clock.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 9:15 am

Tough loss and I believe (hope) we will bounce back strong.

Ron Cook. Man, what a disservice that such a great sports town has such a lame sports columnist. I thought he was lame in all of sudden proclaiming Pitt was so great a few days ago, and now I think he is even lamer to say that Pitt is not. Have some courage man and say something risky! Insightful! Poignant! But no…what a bandwagon, speak to what you think the masses will want to hear, sports writer. Ever since I attended Pitt (and that was 25 years ago!)

Comment by DD 01.28.14 @ 9:15 am

Sure, Duke shot it great, but I thought their halfcourt defense was just better than Pitt’s.

We all know the Dixon offense is built around getting high percentage shots and when it’s working, Pitt gets a ton of layups. Duke didn’t give up many layups last night. Everything was contested and it was very difficult for Pitt’s front line to finish. Duke’s help defense was also solid last night, which meant Patterson shaking one guy didn’t mean he was getting an open shot or finding a teammate. (Plus, Hood being a much quicker athlete at 6’8″ doesn’t help)

You guys know I’m a Zanna detractor and last night exemplified what bothers me about his game. I’ll be the first to admit — he’s played really well in some games, but last night the going was tough inside and he went up WEAKER than ever. It’s too late to fix his post game, but I fault Dixon’s staff for never teaching him to play to his length. He makes himself small on so many moves inside, in situations where all he’d need would be a little lefty half hook or a quick spin back to his strong side. (if he has a strong side…)

The kid you had to appreciate last night was Amile Jefferson. Never takes a bad shot, was all over the boards (must have had a double double) and caused problems for Zanna and Young and Artis all night.

So I thought Pitt might have an edge inside last night, but Duke more than held their own in the paint. Which meant a loss……

Comment by hugh green 01.28.14 @ 9:32 am

Nick Bowers highlight real is pretty spectacular, a man among-st boys. Chryst is cornering the market on O-linemen and Tight ends.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 9:33 am

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.28.14 @ 9:34 am

They got layups because they spread the floor due to making ALL THE THREES. Dixon and Coach K talked about it afterward.

The zone was useless with the way Parker and Hood were shooting in the first half. Most of those were contested by the way. In the second half it was mostly Dawkins, although Cook hit the one that started the downhill roll.

Duke shot 25 threes and made 13 of those. Many were contested. A zone wasn’t going to make a bit of difference and didn’t when it was played because the zone was stretched too far.

LP had a poor game. Hood really took him out in the first half and appeared to be in his head. Pitt’s bigs missed bunnies all game(again). LP and JR missed the front end of a one and one in the first half. It all adds up.

Duke had 19 assists to 7 turns. Pitt had 12 and 11. Duke out-rebounded Pitt 37-32. You can’t be out-shot, out-rebounded, and have more TOs and expect to win.

Emel, what exactly did Pitt do so poorly in press at the end that they should have practiced against rent-a-wins? They forced two timeouts and just missed at least one steal. Perhaps they should have started pressing sooner.

Pitt started pressing too much on offense when Dawkins started raining threes. The result was that they took bad shots and made TOs. Even good teams frequently do it when down double digits with five minutes left in a game.

It wasn’t that Pitt was struggling in the half court. They scored 65 points after all. They probably left like ten point on the floor with the missed bunnies and missed front ends by by LP and JR.

Comment by Barvo 01.28.14 @ 9:43 am

Agree with Barvo – Duke losses when they miss their threes. That is why they have lost in the NCAAs lately. When they hit they look great.

Comment by Frank 01.28.14 @ 9:48 am

Agreed. Cook should have just shut up.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.28.14 @ 10:25 am

Agree on using rent-a-wins wisely. Otherwise, Dixon’s won/loss record will get an *. Pederson won’t interfere in Dixon’s scheduling. Hopefully, Dixon will see the light. Pederson’s got to allow the program to play some one-and-done road games to up the quality of the non-con.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.28.14 @ 10:29 am

I think Barvo nailed it.

Where are the links to JD and Alpha’s comments? Anyone?

Comment by TVax 01.28.14 @ 10:34 am

Oklahoma would have run Arizona out of their building last night.

Arizona’s one of the weaker #1’s in the past few years.

I see them as an early team getting bounced.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 10:51 am

Agree with Barvo. Nice assessment.

I was really pleased with the play of the freshmen, particularly Artis. They were up to the challenge. Robinson hit some nice shots, as did Cam. I thought Newkirk should have gotten some more minutes, possibly at Lamar’s expense, since he was struggling. Newkirk has shown the ability to give the offense a spark in some games, and his speed off of the bounce might have been able to ignite some things.

Defensively, I don’t understand the soft play underneath. When Duke players took it to the hoop, Zanna, Young, and Cam look scared to contest the shots. Duke was much more physical and got away with numerous fouls as a result.

Patterson was clearly bothered by the tight D, but I really think a big part of his performance was due to the old bugaboo of just being too hesitant. He has the ball skills to create space, particularly with pump/pass fakes and that nasty crossover. He was just not looking at the hoop. It was too reminiscent of last year.

But this whole one-and-done in the tourney talk, Duke is SO much better, etc. is garbage, IMO. Yes, they are very talented team. And without Duran Duran that talent deficit is a bit bigger. But they hit 13 3s!! Many contested. They may not do that again this season. It’s highly unlikely, in fact, at least against the top-tier teams in the conference.

Pitt has a very good team that will continue to get better. The freshmen are improving rapidly and they will learn from this loss.

I’m still very optimistic and looking forward to us putting a hurt on UVA.

Comment by Carmen 01.28.14 @ 10:59 am

wake up pitt has done this before they dont have the players or they choke in the big games.
it is a fact of life if there is one thing you can depend on it is if the game is for all the marbles
pitt will lose when was the last time they won a game that they needed to win a really important game 4 or 5 years ago right. even thou dixon is a good coach and i am glad we have him he cant win the big games just a fact of life we dont have 5 star players and talent will win the big games.

Comment by Frankcan 01.28.14 @ 11:04 am

Barvo is correct. Pitt tried a zone early and Duke shot over it.

On the other hand, Artis was great offensively but on the FAN they just noted that his inability to guard anyone put him back on the bench. I noticed Parker took him to school twice, but he would probably take anyone to school.

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.28.14 @ 11:05 am

I will say it again. Duke’s stat line in the game was very much as expected based on their season so far with two exceptions:

1. They normally shoot just about 40% on 3 pointers. Last night they shot 52%.

2. Andre Dawkins played 20 min instead of his average of 14.5, shot 77.8% compared to his season average of 48.8, and shot 85.7% from beyond the arc compared to a season average of 45.7. He averages 9.4 ppg. Last night he had 20.

No one on our side exceeded their season stats and several key players had off nights.

It’s one game. We lost. It’s over. Next? UVa. Time for the coaches and players to concentrate on what they have to do to win that one.


Comment by Pitt Dad 01.28.14 @ 11:15 am

Does anyone else think Randall got 5 more minutes than he should have gotten. Come March Madness, I am OK with Zanna playing 40 min. with all the TV timeouts.

And, I thought the officiating was fairly even. Definitely not home cookin’ but only a few obvious non-calls on Duke but a couple the other way too.

Comment by TVax 01.28.14 @ 11:16 am

@TVax – my observation was that if there was any uncertainty the call went Duke’s way. The one that really set me off was an out of bounds play near the end of the game where Pitt was pressing hard. The ref took about 8 seconds to get to a 3 count allowing Duke to call a timeout and avoid the turnover.

That being said, I don’t think the way the game was called had an impact on the outcome. Pitt got to the FT line 24 times and made 75%. Can’t complain about that.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.28.14 @ 11:22 am


Oakland Zoo posting PATRONIZING COMMENTS by Krzyzewski after he just KICKED YOUR REAR-ENDS.

Are you that INSECURE that you see Krzyzewski’s “favorable impressions” of the PETE as some kind of consolation or worse yet… affirmation?

Boy how things have changed?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.28.14 @ 11:23 am

Pitt 18-3 ACC 6-2

“what’s wrong with Pitt??”

Ha, ha. People and human nature are funny.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 11:23 am

Emel, what exactly did Pitt do so poorly in press at the end that they should have practiced against rent-a-wins? They forced two timeouts and just missed at least one steal. Perhaps they should have started pressing sooner.
Comment by Barvo 01.28.14 @ 9:43 am

Well…let me see. Turnovers, yes that’s it.
Forcing timeouts is not the goal of the press. Turnovers are. And yes they should have started pressing sooner. But it was ineffective anyway, so it might have lead to some easy baskets for them.

I would compare practicing the press against rent-a-wins to practicing a particular golf shot. Maybe you play golf. Regardless here goes. If you don’t practice hitting some balls out of sand trap and that situation comes along on a golf course (and it most certainly will if you play much), you will not be prepared to know how to play the golf ball out of the sand. Now if you do practice in the sand and gain some confidence with how to hit the ball out of the sand, when they situations comes along, it won’t be that daunting.

In Tennis, if you never practice your serve, how good do you think it will be when you play a game.
The correct answer is: not very good.

Well, let’s put it this way, Pitt’s press is not very good.

Which is probably why JD is so reluctant to go to it.

Now practicing your press in practice is far different than having success with it in a game.

How you gain confidence in using it is by having some success with it, in creating turnovers in a real game situation. And the best place to create that confidence would be in a rent-a-win type game. Not against teams like Duke.

The rest of your post I pretty much concur with.

Except we’ve seen this half court offensive struggling now against Cincy (2 long scoring droughts), against Cuse, didn’t score but 2 FT’s in the last 5 minutes of the game. And last nite in a critical juncture of the game.

So draw what conclusions you may (or may not)

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 11:27 am

While most of the above discussion blames Pitt’s D, my big problem with Pitt is not enough scoring. Did anyone see Creighton just annihilate Nova with 3’s.?? nova basically tried every form of defense known to mankind. None worked

Pantone remember the Pacific debacle? We could not stop the rain of 3’s much like last night.

So…..Sometimes as a coach you have to understand you are facing a hot shooting team and simply out score them. Thus, leave Artis in!! There is NO defense set that would have stopped Duke last night!

And trust me, if Pitt had pressed Duke would have scored 100

Comment by Dan 72 01.28.14 @ 11:28 am

On a positive note… Paul Chryst stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Today, it’s announced that Nick Bowers has committed to play Tight End at Pitt.

J.P. Holtz with SPEED.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.28.14 @ 11:33 am

You guys act like Pitt is an untalented wasteland. Pitt has the best player in the ACC right now. Parker is more talented and will be a better pro but Lamar is a better college player. He had an off night.

Pitt didn’t lose because of lack of talent. Pitt lost cause Dawkins went off in the game. The guy averages not even 15 minutes a game. If Dawkins isn’t hitting all those threes it is a different story. Duke is basically unbeatable when Dawkins is rolling.

Zone D like others have said won’t work if you are hitting all of your 3s like Duke was.

Honestly, I think the big mistake was overreacting to Parker’s scoring at the half. Team focused too much on Parker in the second half, which led to too many easy buckets for the rest of the team. I would have just let Parker try to outscore Pitt.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.28.14 @ 11:33 am

Emel, Pitt or any other more talent team could press the heck out of those bad teams and look good. Press isn’t some magical cure all that you think it is. Lots of really successful teams never press. Good teams will always tear up the press.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.28.14 @ 11:36 am

You’re missing the point Ward.

You gain your confidence against lesser teams, you can’t expect a ‘press’ to work the first time you use it in the season against a team like Duke. lol

JD was having to tell them all (the players) where they should be in the press, before they inbounded the ball.

And yes maybe good teams will tear up a press, but when you’re down by 10 or 12 points with 3-4 minutes, what would you suggest ??

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 11:41 am

Really, is the reason Duke BEAT DOWN Pitt last night so hard to figure out?

They had a player who shot LIGHTS OUT from the 3-POINT LINE and Pitt had no answer for it.

What I did find interesting was Jamie’s comments to ESPN at Half Time where he portrayed Duke’s SIX THREE POINTERS as being somewhat lucky and that Pitt would be fine in the Second Half.


Comment by PittofDreams 01.28.14 @ 11:44 am

I would say Louisville has done pretty well using the press wouldn’t you ?

It got VCU to the Final 4 the other year.

Georgetown’s many great teams under John Thompson (the father) always used a press.

The greatest college coach of all time used a press at UCLA before he recruited Kareem (Lew).

I can go on & on if you like . lol

If you’re less talented than the other team, you need an equalizer.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 11:46 am

I have been saying all year that we don’t know how good this team is because we have not won a close game and we have not beat anyone ranked higher than us. Was this game an aberration? Maybe, but we will find out soon. VA this Saturday, then Miami on the road, a breather against VA Tech and then Syracuse and North Carolina.

Time to strap on the big boy pants. Sure, we were not going to beat Duke when they make 13 threes. But what concerns me is Patterson and Zanna did their disappearing act for the first time this year.

They need to show up big on Saturday or things could get ugly very quickly.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 11:47 am

And if you have any talent, a press can be absolutely devastating !

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 11:48 am

@ Dan72

Agree about Artis. He got yanked in the 1rst half when he was on fire. When a guy is hot, (he hit 2 3’s in short order) you leave him in. And hopefully get him the ball some more for some open looks.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 11:53 am

Bilas said something at halftime which maybe was fairly accurate.

He said we have a ‘BigEast’ type game going on at the Zoo.

The 2nd half became more of a “ACC” type game, and while Pitt has been winning these type of games against MD, GT, Clemson & the Wakes. Duke isn’t them.

The score at half was 34-32, we probably needed to keep the game in the 60’s to have a better chance.

They just had more ‘firepower’ than us. And we didn’t get the best games out of our heavy artillery (L & Z).

Need to rebound against a team we should be able to handle on Sunday.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 11:59 am

Artis 6-7… Young 6-8…

They both need to develop a LITTLE CONFIDENCE when it comes to going up STRONG with the ball.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.28.14 @ 12:04 pm

I thought those two had their best game in weeks.
Certainly in the same game.

In the 1rst half Artis & Young kept us in the game.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 12:07 pm

New ESPN Power Rankings out.

They don’t respect us. But the Dookies win over us (remember a team they don’t respect) ZOOMED THEM up 9 SPOTS to #11.

Funny how that works.

link to

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 12:11 pm

At the half, I said if Duke kept on shooting that well from 3 they would deserve to win. They shot well they won. It is that simple.

EMel, your examples don’t really prove your point. Especially examples, from way back since the game is a lot different now with things like 3 pointers. If anything it does the opposite. The vast majority of teams right now don’t use the press. If the press was so good then why wouldn’t everyone use it? Switching to the zone is a much more effective change of D.

Pitt is only in the situation to press a couple times during the season. Hardly warrants tons of practice.

Plus, Pitt has come back from big deficits under Dixon without using a press.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.28.14 @ 12:17 pm

@ Ward

I’m not saying Pitt should press all the time. Far from it.

They should though be able to use it when the situation dictates it.

As far as my examples, Louisville just won the NC last year using the press. VCU used it a couple seasons ago to get to the Final 4.

And just because the vast majority of teams don’t use it, doesn’t mean anything. The vast majority of people eat at McDonalds. Does that make it any good ? I don’t know about you but I would prefer eating at say…..The Capital Grille.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 12:25 pm

Sky is not falling. Pitt will rebound. JD has to learn how to play (and beat) Duke which history says he will do. Nice wake up call for everyone. Time to prepare for UVA.

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 01.28.14 @ 12:25 pm

Don’t know if anyone noticed but Artis was very upset when Jamie took him out of the game after making two three pointers in less than a minute. Why would a coach take someone out when one is making threes? I guess Jamie didn’t want to get into a scoring contest with the Dukeoids.

Comment by MariettaMike 01.28.14 @ 12:41 pm

Yes I noticed MariettaMike (Artis was not a happy camper)

JD had a weird substitution pattern last night.

I noticed it when it first happened, did anyone else ? So I checked the ‘Play by Play’ log.

Pitt was up 8-2 at the first TV Timeout.

I thought maybe we had a chance to jump all over them, like the Clemson game. But something strange happened after play resumed.

JD did a mass substitution. Newkirk(?), Artis & even Derrick Randall(???) was in the game. And then Chris Jones came in. It did get to 12-5 then 12-7. But I thought that was kind of strange bringing them ALL into the game when it was 8-2 and maybe we had a chance (however small) of maybe blowing that lead out further with the starters.

Randall for instance NEVER comes in that early in the game. Jones either. Strange night, all around !

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 12:50 pm

It seems like Jamie does not want Artis or Young to shoot. I have also noticed some hesitance from Robinson and Wright to pass to them when they have an open look.

We are going to need more than just Patterson and Zanna in some games.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 12:53 pm

It’s the kind of game you have put behind you and move on. Duke has better talent and they were hitting all their shots. Pitt missed way too many tip in attempts and Duke finished inside and hit their 3s. Duke is better than I thought they were and Pitt is better than they looked last night. On to the next game.

Comment by Justinian 01.28.14 @ 12:53 pm

@emel, it looked like Jamie was trying to match Dukes wholesale substitutions. Far be it for me to criticize Jamie, but sometimes the substitutions really affect the flow of the game.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 12:59 pm

@emel, it looked like Jamie was trying to match Dukes wholesale substitutions. Far be it for me to criticize Jamie, but sometimes the substitutions really affect the flow of the game.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 12:59 pm

On Jamie’s post game show he said the blame was all on him for not communicating the defenses he wanted played. There were many complete defensive breakdowns.

Jamie taking the high road, but I don’t think it was all on him.

I didn’t see that many contested threes, most looked wide open to me. Way too many easy layups as well.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 1:07 pm

@ gc

that was Myron Medcalf’s take on the three’s as well. A lot were wide open looks because Pitt was hedging on Parker. Here’s his article.

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Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 1:10 pm

Lots of defensive breakdowns. Really how many dunks have some of these teams got on us since ACC play started.

Last night 1rst half.

Duke had 2 dunks, 4 layups, 6 three’s

2nd Half:
Duke had 1 dunk, 6 layups, 7 three’s.

They made one (1) jump shot worth 2 points the WHOLE GAME. That’s incredible and great strategy.

If you going to take a two, it better be a dunk or a layup. If not shoot the 3.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 1:18 pm

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 1:35 pm

Artis and Young shouldn’t be shooting 3s. They made a couple last night but they aren’t going to shoot them at a high percentage. Cam Wright made a 3 last night too, but shouldn’t shoot either.

I get what you are saying EMel, but my point about vast majority is that in sports if something works is sports its going to be copied by lots of coaches. Also, honestly, how much do you have to practice running the press? Each guy on the court picks a guy and sticks with him. On a couple occasions it looked like Pitt was setting up for the press but a player didn’t realize what was happening. That’s not a practice thing that’s an awareness thing.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.28.14 @ 1:37 pm

4. Virginia Cavaliers (14-5) (5-1) (LW: 4)

Last Week: W, 78-66 over Florida State; W, 76-61 over North Carolina

Highest Position: 4; Lowest Position: 5

Has UVa figured out how to score points? Because if so, they’re suddenly (again) a very dangerous group. The ‘Noles are no slouches on defense, so for Virginia to put up 78 on them is an achievement. Holding the likes of Duke under 70 points is as well. The Hoos are another ACC team that’s still rounding into form, but one that may end up being the most terrifying of them all (outside of Syracuse) when they finally bring it together.

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 1:48 pm

Root for Cuse to beat Duke and we must beat VA. We will probably meet Duke in Greensboro (ugh) but playing someone once already helps.

Comment by Frank 01.28.14 @ 1:51 pm

Oh crap we beat the Hoos in football. Oy vey !

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 1:52 pm

Here’s something to take your mind off of last nite’s Epic Fail #3.

Florida schools to close for possible ice, snow
Schools, courts, government offices close in advance of possible winter weather.

link to

Global warming I guess ! lol

Comment by Emel 01.28.14 @ 1:57 pm

I’d seen that link earlier. That’s not piling on; those are just facts.

You can’t blame Dixon for how bad the ACC is this year, but this is the first time Pitt will have to defend itself against the scheduling double whammy — 1) A non-conf slate on which Cincy was literally the best team, and 2) A conference schedule that presents very few opportunities to redeem one’s self.

Pitt’s going to end up with a very good record (I’m guessing 6 losses total), but the results will be looked at like mid major results and the tournament seeding will reflect that.

Comment by hugh green 01.28.14 @ 1:58 pm

in 2015 and 2016 we will have 4 star and 5 star players on team till then this is as good as it gets 20 some wins and out in the first round of the NCAA. we dont have the players now to play with the big even thou the news paper said we choked that is not true we just dont have a good enough team yet.

Comment by Frankcan 01.28.14 @ 2:02 pm

Wardapalooza, Artis is shooting .417 from three points, the same as Patterson and far better than anyone else on the team. He absolutely shoot be taking three point shots since Durand is gone.

Young also has a nice shot but has been told not to shoot, great way to show confidence in the young man.

I would rather see these guys taking wide open shots than Patterson jacking them up with two guys and hands in his face.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 2:34 pm

I am absolutely not claiming Pitt will have anything to do with the Final Four.

However, speaking of the Final Four. You do not need 4 or 5 NBA guys to get to the Final Four.

If that was the case, someone better tell
George Mason, Virginia Commonwealth, Butler(twice)
and Wichita State that they were only dreaming the past few years, and only got to the Final Four on playstation.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 3:15 pm

Some really good comments posted while enduring a tough loss. Knew we were shot at the git go when early on in this thread, the master prognosticator said we were going to win! I thought, oh crap we been Auburned. Absolutely missed DJ! Get well young man. Defensive game plan on LP was good but the execution was better. Cam has got to work on driving to get his shot. JR must improve his range and confidence this summer. Dawkins was in a zone to end all zones from 3! Pick yourself up guys, feel good about your league record and we have to have the UVa win! HAVE TO WIN! Hail to Pitt! UPone

Comment by UPone 01.28.14 @ 3:17 pm

Upone. Sorry I jinxed us.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.28.14 @ 3:22 pm

@UPone, absolutely.

We have 10 conference games left. Fellas, you do realize, we will probably lose a couple of them.

Right?? You do realize this, right??

I mean, most teams in the top 20 are going to lose a couple more games before the year is out.
Maybe one or two won’t, but most are.

From some of the comments, (only some), I think people are gonna be pissed of at Dixon and Pitt for not running the table and finishing 28-3??

If those are your expectations, I can tell you ahead of time, you’re gonna be disappointed.

And that’s not ripping on Pitt in any way, or not having a “wanting to win every game mentality”.

That’s for all of the teams, very few teams finish 30-1, 28-2 or 29-3 in college basketball.

Compared to what most of us expected for this year, 18-3 with Virginia coming to town.

I’ll take it.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 3:27 pm

I apologize for being rational!! LOL

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 3:49 pm

Agree with UPone on the thread. Apparently all of us sleep at Holiday Inn Express nearly every friggin’ night. If only we could be sure to get all this to JD soon so he can use it!!!

I wonder if he even knows about all of us. If so don’t we at least deserve a few donuts?

Seriously I do agree with gc about letting Artis shoot and opening up the floor. That is what Duke was able to do with the 3’s making defending a choice between them (Hood/Thornton/Sulieman/Dawkins) or just Parker(who can also shoot the 3). I don’t think any team in the country can do both, even Arizona(with due respect to Upitt).

Comment by TVax 01.28.14 @ 3:51 pm

i dont think we are who i thought we were i think we are who we always are 20 some wins 4th in the ACC out of the NCAA on first or second round game depending on match up.
just what pitt all ways is but not who i thought we were or wished we were just same old pitt i should have known but i did have my hopes up my bad.

Comment by Frankcan 01.28.14 @ 4:09 pm

Emel, they’re having record droughts in California and Texas and companies like Coke and Nike are making major changes to deal with all the problems to the production of their products caused by massive droughts and other extreme weather phenomenon. Must be … a hoax perpetrated by the U.N. and 98% of climate scientists.

(Sorry, y’all, couldn’t resist.)

Comment by Carmen 01.28.14 @ 4:13 pm

Was curious about the claims regarding Duke’s 3 pointers, so I did a run through on the ESPN3 replay while eating my lunch.

Of the 13 made, 5 were completely uncontested. Almost all of those were a result of dribble penetration and a cross court kick out where the defender sagged in to hel with the penetration. One was a result of a bad switch or lack of switch.

Of the other 8, five were closely guarded players who just pulled up and out jumped or drained it right in a Pitt player’s face. Two of those were over Newkirk by a player 6-8″ taller.

The others three were run out challenges (due to the same reasons as the wide open 3’s), but challenges nonetheless. The Pitt player was there in time, had a hand either in the shooters face or almost blocked the shot, but and the Duke players drained them anyways.

The short of it. Duke has three four very good, confident shooters who have the green light to shoot from anywhere, anytime to take advantage of mismatches and momentary breakdowns in the defense.

We on the otherhand have one, streaky-at-best shooter on the team.

Duke didn’t really do anything differently in the first half. They were 6 of 10 from 3, two of them the wide open variety. The difference was we stopped scoring. Cam Wright scored 2 points in the second half. Talib made one field goal in the second half. Zanna, Wright and Young combined for 4-8 in the second half. THREE OF OUR STARTERS TOOK A COMBINED 8 SHOTS in the second half. Lamar took 11.

The scary thing is that our defense was doing what it is supposed to be doing, force the kick to a lower percentage shot. But when a team hits over 50% and you stop scoring, you get what we got last night. Obviously the other option is zone. That’s what coaching and finding the right defense is for, right?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.28.14 @ 4:18 pm

Let’s not get too caught up in tournament seeding. It hasn’t been that big a boon in recent past even when team ended with all the right measurables. Schedule is what it is at this point. Pitt is going to the Dance. Fewer opportunities for statement wins than in years past, but greater opportunity to run up win total if Pitt takes care of business against the teams Pitt should beat. I’m not convinced Duke is a team we “should” beat as much as a team we can beat if they play well.

That said, the UMD win was a mixed sign. Good to win on the road in conference even against middling opponent, but the defense was not at the necessary level against the inferior Terps – it was non-existent last night. Cheer up — that performance could have gotten them beat by BC or VT. At least no will will fault Duke for being good.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.28.14 @ 4:24 pm

Pantherlair says that there were a bunch of football recruits at the game last night. Does anyone know who they were?


Comment by pmdH2P 01.28.14 @ 4:35 pm

Dan you are absolutely right, we are going to lose more, I just don’t want to see us lose 3 out of the next 4. By no means am I saying Artis is the savior, but we need another scoring option or everyone will double and triple team Patterson.

When they do someone should be open. We need more scoring from the freshmen. After all, Patterson and Zanna are gone next year. Jamie might as well learn to trust them now.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 4:37 pm


I was not being a smartass with the H2?. I hit the wrong key.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.28.14 @ 4:41 pm

PITT IS GOOD!! True measure of this team will now be seen against a good UVA team. 5 days of rest w/the bad taste of this loss will help this team. For some reason the usual Fight was not evident. PITT trailed Syracuse by 10 & I knew the Fight was w/in PITT & & PITT would rally. First time last night I saw PITT lose their Fight. Perhaps the players were too “hyped” & once Duke weathered the opening storm & tied the score PITT wasn’t able to match the intensity aka:swag ?? PITT should want to see Duke again!! H2P!!

Comment by DC33 01.28.14 @ 4:46 pm

GC, Artis was 3-9 from 3 before last night. He’s not a shooter yet. Mike Young is 4-13 from 3. He’s not a shooter yet either. There shots will probably improve. But neither should be shooting 3s. You don’t let subpar shooters shoot 3s just to build confidence.

Frankcan, for an older guy you sure are dramatic. Pitt is going to finish with over 20 wins and no worse than 3rd in the ACC, even after losing the best shooter and 6th man. That’s pretty damn good for a young team that many thought would struggle to make the tournament. I don’t see how anyone can think that this season is not a success.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.28.14 @ 5:02 pm

@gc, absolutely. Critiquing the game, absolutely, that’s one of the things this site is for, certainly.

I myself, wonder why Michael Young doesn’t have a green light, if he has a wide open look?? Looked like a nice stroke on the one 3 pointer.

I’m referring to a couple of the “sky is falling” crowd. Not a lot, but a few.

Same Old Pitt?? I’ll take that moniker when applied to hoops.

That means we win about 24 games and go to the tournament every year. We will win some ACC championships, be in the top 10 and top 20 most years. Make some runs to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8.

That’s what Same Old Pitt is referring to hoops.

I hope we go further someday, but there are 351
division I teams, most would drool to have had Pitt’s success the past 12 years.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 5:07 pm

Critiquing?? I will.

I believe what above poster said, and I can’t find it now.

I’d rather have Artis or Young taking a shot, if they have a wide open look, than Patterson taking a shot with two seconds to go on the shot clock, with two guys in his face.

No disrespect to LP, love him, great player, I’m just saying, other than if you have some stiff in the middle or guys that shoot only bricks, on a top 20 division 1 team, if guys that can somewhat shoot, have an open look from 15, 18, 21 feet, they need to be able to take that shot without having to think about it.

Actually, they should be encouraged to take that shot.

Now, if they miss 3, 4 in a row, then, ok, take them out, or tell them not too take that shot.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 5:13 pm

Also, any games in the future, where Pitt is winning, and the other team is fouling.

Michael Young should be on the floor for free throws.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 5:14 pm

Ward, I just have to disagree with you. Cam is 5/24, JR is 12/35, DJ was 22/65, and you are telling me Artis should not shoot 3’s. Newkirk is 10/26, he and Artis should absolutely be shooting 3’s. You go with the hot hand. Artis was hot last night. his 3rd shot was in and out.

DJ was only at .338 and nobody told him not to shoot.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 5:42 pm

While I don’t necessarily agree with what everyone says on this board all the time, I do appreciate when the argument is backed up with facts, statistics, etc. I find that it elevates the discourse immensely. And, given that this is a rather enlightened group to begin with, it makes the conversation even more enlightening.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.28.14 @ 5:49 pm

tough loss last night. Type of game we need to win given the current aspirations everyone has. As others said here though teams are going to lose some games along the way so see where this all shakes out. Yet for a lot of reasons a win here would have been huge.

On the positive side who thought this time last year that we would even be talking about this team in this way?? remember… sky was falling last year. Now we are one of the best teams in the ACC with a young team and good recruits on the way!

Football side of things just saw this…

Second recruit for 2015… now see this program in more of a rhythm now… and so much for every player holding their breath for the great “dominator” to come calling….

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Comment by Pittscript 01.28.14 @ 6:04 pm


LP 41.7%
JA 41.7%
JN 38.5%
JR 34.3%
MY 30.8%
CW 20,8%

I’m not saying go willy nilly with 3 balls.
but, to have somewhat of a shooter open, with a wide open shot, not take it, is bad basketball.

I don’t know that Jamie has told anyone not to shoot. Only thing I ever heard was from Young on a twitter feed.

You can’t just wind the clock down to 7 seconds and hope someone does something.

We still probably wouldn’t have won with Artis in their more last night, but Artis was way more part of the answer than part of the problem.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 6:26 pm

Now, some may say, Artis, Young and Newkirk don’t have a lot of attempts.


And if they start hitting 3’s at 15% or 20%, and shooting bricks, fine, tell them they haven’t developed their shot enough.

Until then…………

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 6:30 pm

gc, with such small sample sizes in Young and Artis you can’t go by stats. Dixon gets to see both guys in practice daily, so he knows who makes them on a consistent basis. Those guys are on short leashes to shoot 3s for a reason. Dixon isn’t going to pull a good shooter for shooting. Gibbs was allowed to shoot as much as he wanted.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.28.14 @ 6:34 pm

Last one, sorry I sucked the oxygen out of the room, could only post in spurts, meetings all day.

The important thing, is Virginia and Miami.

Like I said, coming off the Syracuse loss, I hope the players don’t dwell on “almost” beating Syracuse and let it effect their play in the upcoming games. And it didn’t, hats off to the players and coaches.

Same thing again. Can’t dwell on this Duke game too long.

Start over, come out fired up.

You wanna be 20-3, or 18-5 at the end of next week???

The past has shown from Coach Dixon and the players, that they’ll be ready Sunday.

Hail to Pitt!!!

Over and out!!

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 6:44 pm

Gibbs was a one trick pony, who disappeared his senior year. Dixon has always been hesitant with freshmen, with few exceptions, namely Blair and now Young, since he has no other option.

Looking at the stats that Dan put up, who do you want taking threes? They have a small sample size because they are not supposed to shoot.

Jamie counts on Patterson and Zanna to score. Usually a sound policy, until they don’t. That is why you need to have plays for the other guys.

All I know is the three freshmen have fine looking shots. Other than Newkirk they make foul shots.

When Patterson and Zanna are off who can you count on to score?

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 6:53 pm

Since you brought up Gibbs, In the most important game of his life vs. Villanova in the elite eight, his freshman year. He played 6 minutes and was 0-3 from the 3 point line. I guess he was allowed to shoot as much as he wanted.

Artis is the sixth man off the bench. He is going to have to play a lot more than six minutes in any tournament games we play in.

By the way, if Gibbs makes one of the three we go to the final four.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 7:23 pm

so Artis makes a couple 3s and Young makes one, and Duke kills us from the 3 … and all of the sudden, Pitt basketball’s future is dependent on the 3 point shot??

I don’t think so.

Pitt’s bread and butter has been inside the paint and that’s not likely to change. Young appears to be the low post guy next year, he’ll be better at it next year, and Artis can make the 12 footer better than the 3. Durand will be a question mark, and JR, Josh and Cam are not reliable from outside of the line.

Thee is a talent returning and they can shoot, but if you’re looking for the next Dawkins or even Gibbs … forget about it

Comment by wbb 01.28.14 @ 8:00 pm

Last night’s game was a very close, back and forth contest until the 9 minute mark. I was about to comment on here how evenly matched the two teams appeared. Then Duke went on a 3-minute, 12-0 run and that was all she wrote.

I was very impressed with Duke. They played a lights out second half on the road in a tough building. As good as they shot, I thought they won with defense. They consistently forced Pitt to set up their offense 4-5 feet further away from the basket than normal, and gave them very little space.

Duke looked a lot better to me than Syracuse. Now watch them lose by 20 to the Orange.

I am rarely confident in any Pitt team, but I think UVa is a good match up for Pitt. We win at home Sunday and right the ship.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.28.14 @ 8:09 pm

Iron Duke, sometimes teams don’t matchup well with other teams. Pitt got caught in an uptempo vs Duke, and couldn’t keep up.

Syracuse will probably slow the pace down vs duke, and if so, will probably win a close game.

Comment by wbb 01.28.14 @ 8:13 pm

wbb, you are right we are not going to out shoot anyone from the 3 point line, but we need to be respectable at it. Right now only one of our starters is reliable.

Sometimes you need a couple 3’s to get you back in a game. Patterson did it against Syracuse, but could not finish. We need to do better, it doesn’t have to be our bread and butter. But one guy is not enough. Artis has a good shot.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 8:13 pm

Syracuse will definitely try to control the tempo, that is their game this year. Going to be a fun game to watch.

Iron Duke, I hope you are right. They look like a well coached team.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 8:20 pm

We are 0-3 vs. ranked teams, if VA beats us they will be ranked and we will not.

Big game on Sunday.

Comment by gc 01.28.14 @ 8:40 pm

info for you North Carolina basketball players will have to be able to read from now on there goes there will be no more NCAA champs from them my god they now expect are basketball players to be able to read a UNC man yelled we are screwed .

Comment by Frankcan 01.28.14 @ 9:27 pm

read the story UNC admits some basketball players and football players at there school cant read above a 3rd grade level cant read a news paper you have to wonder if some players will flunk off the team in a few weeks.

Comment by Frankcan 01.28.14 @ 9:33 pm

From Wardapalooza: “GC, Artis was 3-9 from 3 before last night. He’s not a shooter yet. Mike Young is 4-13 from 3. He’s not a shooter yet either. There shots will probably improve. But neither should be shooting 3s. You don’t let subpar shooters shoot 3s just to build confidence.”

Well, Artis was 2-3 last night on 3’s and was hot…..this makes him 5-12 on the season which is about 42%. He’s a very good FT shooter too, so what makes you think he’s not a shooter? DJ was shooting about 33% (22-65) from the 3, but no one (including Dixon) cared about that. I guess you can shoot 3’s if you’re one of Dixon’s pets…

This is one thing that drives me crazy about Dixon….doesn’t he know the whole nation of recruits is watching that game? OK….so a great HS kid sees a guys make 2 quick 3’s and he gets the hook….yeah Jamie, I’m sure a whole lot of pure shooters are lining up now to come to Pitt…

Say what you want about 3’s, but if you want to advance in the conference tournament and the NCAA Tournament, you like to have a couple guys who can shoot them. We had a couple until DJ went down, now we have just one. He’s getting double teamed, so we need someone to step up, but NOOOO…we can’t have that can we Dixon…

Our early answering of their 3’s is what kept the team and the Zoo fired up and in the game.

Comment by Jackagain 01.28.14 @ 9:47 pm

Comment by wbb 01.28.14 @ 10:00 pm

Dixon claims he pulled Artis because he wasn’t playing any defense … but then again, he could have pulled just about anyone in the 2nd half

Comment by wbb 01.28.14 @ 10:03 pm

here’s another interesting story

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Comment by wbb 01.28.14 @ 10:18 pm

UVA is Destroying Notre Dame. I love it. Hate ND. They look good. How are they not ranked?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.28.14 @ 10:25 pm

Watching a replay of Pearland and Allen High Schools playing at Cowboys Stadium. I think Trey went to Pearland. The attendance for the High School State Title games was announced at 52K. No joke. Crazy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.28.14 @ 10:47 pm

Dan I agree with you that Pitt will lose at least 3 more games I think it will be more like 5 ( Syracuse, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida State and the ACC tournament)

Comment by Chick 01.28.14 @ 10:54 pm

I have watched UVA’s last 3 games including the dismantling of Notre Dame tonight. I don’t see any way Pitt beats them Sunday if they play to the current level.

They play terrific defense and can score from all positions. Most of all they are disciplined and well coached (not that Pitt is not well coached) I think Pitt hangs for a half and then well…you know…

Saw them put a zone press on Duke earlier in the year that I have never seen before. Kind of like the Amoeba we had at Pitt (matchup zone)only full court. It caused Duke fits late in the game. Should have beaten Duke. They had the game won.

If I was setting the line right now I would make it UVA by 3.5

Comment by Dan 72 01.28.14 @ 10:56 pm

Yep Dan72

UVA’s only loss in the ACC was AT Duke 65-69.
Right now they are playing far superior defense than PITT. Tony Bennett has always been known as a very good defensive coach, before UVA he was at Wasu and had a Top 15 team there.

Frankly I don’t think we can beat them in a halfcourt slow tempo game. IMO our best chance is to get stops and score quickly in transition.

And we better push the ball and may them pay if they run that zone press at us.

It’s also going to be up to the Zoo to get this team fired up to play, as I imagine last nite had to be kind of deflating for them.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 12:13 am

UVA also has the easiest remaining schedule.

After us, they’re only real tough game is at home against Cusey. They could easily win all the others (BC, GT, MD, Clem, VT, ND, Mi, MD)

This will be a huge test for us. And will tell us a lot going forward.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 12:18 am

While our wins never get posted on ESPN’s front page. Duke’s win over us, is still up on their front page.

Unfrickinbelievable. (actually it’s not by now)

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 12:22 am

From the horses mouth:

“You can talk about shots or offense, but we weren’t getting stops,” Dixon said once if he said it 100 times. “That’s on me. We practiced these plays, very specific plays that we just didn’t execute. Maybe I didn’t stress that enough. I blame myself. We talked a lot about winning on the glass, but we also talked about how they could shoot 3s and how we needed to defend the dribble. Maybe I should have talked more about that.”

Getting the idea Pitt’s next few practices and film-room sessions might be a bit rough?

“Maybe we think we can win by playing defense that way; I don’t know,” Dixon would say later in an atypically sardonic tone. “Well, we can’t.”

From the players:

“We didn’t really execute at all defensively in the second half,” James Robinson said.

“Wide open,” Young said. “We left their guys wide open.”

“We didn’t guard well enough,” Mike Young was saying shortly afterward.

He’s righter than right. For reasons no one could really explain, Pitt emerged from the intermission with a 34-32 deficit and decided to go all old-school Loyola Marymount on everyone, leaving Duke with shots so wide open that, in all candor, it’s a wonder the Blue Devils didn’t convert field goals even better than 55.2 percent.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 12:47 am

Like the accountability-now shut up and prove it

Comment by John 01.29.14 @ 12:56 am

Seriously you guys must not have taken stats in college. 5-12 is not statistically significant. It’s like saying a player who was called up from the minors and is batting 5-12 is a good hitter. Sample size is key. Artis went from 3-9 to 5-12, did he magically become an almost 10% shooter better overnight? No.

I watch basketball, it’s obvious Artis isn’t a great 3 point shooter. It’s also obvious that Durand Johnson is a better shooter than Artis. To back me up here is his scouting report from ESPN Insider:
“Weaknesses: Artis must add strength and extend his shooting range to the long two point areas and behind the arc to take his offense game to the next level.”
But hey what does a scout know?

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.29.14 @ 1:00 am

You’re correct Ward…it is a small sample size.

However one thing is clear, we do need to develop another 3 point threat from the wing to take some heat off of Lamar.

Because we know our 2 starting guards (JR & CW) are not very good 3 point shooters. And we do have a large enough sample to determine that !

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 1:26 am

The team, as it is constituted now, requires Lamar to play at an almost superhuman level.

He’s the sole consistent legit 3 point threat, he leads the team in assists (and those assists are setting up his teammates for mostly bunnies), he leads the team in scoring, he leads the team in steals per game, he leads the team in 3 point %, he’s second in rebounding, and he when he’s not totally tired out, he’s even bringing the ball up court.

While we have to win some games down the stretch, we also have to develop Artis, Young & Newkirk in those games, so that we are better as a team with more consistent offensive threats come Mid March than we are now.

If that doesn’t happen we will be out in the 2nd round and it’s a 8/9 matchup, maybe the 1rst round.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 1:39 am

At least Joe Lunardi didn’t dump on us.

Still has us as 5 seed, no change.

Although I think seed talk now, is totally ridic.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 1:44 am

My God, it was one loss. Time to change the broken record. How about the two 2015 recruits?

Comment by notrocketscience 01.29.14 @ 7:02 am

Exactly, notrocket.

Also, who knows which football recruits were at the game?


Comment by pmdH2P 01.29.14 @ 8:13 am

You guys talk about the three-point shooting potential of players on the current roster and get wound around the axle debating whether a guy who’s taken 10 all year should take more. Get serious.

There isn’t one really good shooter on the current roster and that’s by design. (And don’t tell me Patterson has a great stroke, like Mark Titus tried to say on Grantland. Patterson’s a good shooter who’s obviously worked hard at it and it shows. But there’s nothing pure about it….)

Dixon doesn’t orient his offense around the three and doesn’t recruit for that style. Will more kids like Luther and Rowan change that? We’ll see, but debating whether Artis or Young should take more threes is ludicrous.

Comment by hugh green 01.29.14 @ 8:30 am

I’m not saying the younger guys don’t need minutes. They do and they need to develop and the younger guys have been getting minutes whenever possible such as in the Maryland game. But in any big/close game the starters are going to play big minutes.

Lamar is basically the LeBron of Pitt basketball. Asked to do everything and if he’s off, the team is going to be off.

If Mostella had gotten his grades in order in time we wouldn’t have this problem at all.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.29.14 @ 8:31 am

If Mostella had his grades in order, he would be playing for Ok State right now.

Baylor lost at home to the Hoopies and UK were beaten by LSU for their 5th loss. Both of these are more damaging than losing to Duke .. but we will see what the pollsters say.

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 8:34 am

@ wbb

I think we’ve gotten a hint with the latest ESPN Power rankings I posted above.

They must have been so impressed with them betting us they zoomed up 9 spots to #11(even though none of them feel we’re any good, rationalize that)….Pitt fell 4 spots to #22

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Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 9:03 am

@ hugh green

Don’t think you’ve watched much basketball or sports in general with your first comment.

When somebody gets hurt it gives some else an opportunity. We do not know (unless you have a crystal ball and you’re not telling us) who is going to step up and how good they are going to be.

Ever hear of Wally Pipp and Lou Gehrig ?

Dixon did recruit Ashton Gibbs did he not ? Was not Ashton Gibbs a 3 point specialist ?

Now go find Ricky Jackson ok !

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 9:08 am

You and your frickin comments are ludicrous !

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 9:09 am

hugh green, you are right, Pitt does not rely on the three. Most of Jamie’s teams have averaged 5 made threes per game. When Gibbs was here we averaged around 6 per game. But we always had more than one guy that was a decent 3 point shot.

At the end of a game when you need a three, it is better to have options.

When Cam is 5/24 and JR is 22/65, what is wrong with finding out if Artis is the guy? Why do you feel so strongly that he should not be given a chance? What have we got to lose? If it is so ludicrous to debate why have you joined in?

If we all agreed on everything this would be a boring site.

What’s with the straw man argument about Patterson? I don’t remember the debate about his stroke?

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 9:11 am

@ Ward

From what I’ve heard about Mostella, I don’t think he would have been here long anyway.

Yes, a kid that could fill it up and great leaping ability however he would have wanted to jack it up, more than JD would have allowed. Which would have led to him being yanked off the court and kids with that kind of talent, usually get annoyed, upset, with that.

Just as we saw with Artis after he hit two 3’s in the course of 3 and half minutes.

So that more than likely wasn’t going to work out anyway. imo

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 9:31 am

@emel, I was thinking of the Lou Gehrig reference but thought it was a little hyperbolic, LOL.

Artis is also shooting .500 overall, not to shabby.

I love Jamie, but he is not infallible. He played Kendall over Sam Young, who almost left because of it. He prefers to bring young guys along slowly and strongly favors defensive over offensive skills. No denying it works for him.

But to declare he benched Artis because he wasn’t playing defense is laughable when no one was playing adequate defense. Patterson was trying to do to much. By the way no one answered my question why don’t we use the intentional foul at the end of the game?

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 9:38 am

Agree, gc, big game on Sunday not only to keep us in the Top 25 but to keep a decent seed in the tournament. And don’t we have just three opportunities to beat a Top 50 team? Syracuse, Virginia, and North Carolina if the Tar Heels stay in the Top 50?

This may be the season Dixon’s desire to pad his win total with December patsies bites him in the ass and makes the comments by those who defended his non-conference choices as status quo throughout college hoops look foolish.

Dixon never factored in how bad the ACC would be this season.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.29.14 @ 9:47 am

gc, I just assumed that Artis was yanked because of his shooting. But if he was only yanked because of his bad D, then maybe Artis shooting has improved. If Artis continues to shoot threes and isn’t yanked in futured games, then you’ll be proven right. And I’ll definitely be wrong. I hope I’m wrong.

Emel, you could be right about Mostella. Although, we have no idea what Dixon would do with a supposed really good finisher. Dixon let Sam Young get away with a lot of bad habits because he was good at scoring. I just think it would be much nicer to have him as the first 2 or 3 off the bench instead of an injured Chris Jones.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.29.14 @ 9:48 am

Ward, Artis was definitely yanked because of his defense. Had he been able to get in the way of anyone, he would have probably stayed in the game.

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.29.14 @ 9:57 am

One last thing on Duke. They are one of the few teams that run the “flex” offense against a man defense. Coach K runs it to make his players more attractive to the NBA (many teams run a version of the flex)and to confuse NCAA defenses who constantly prepare for the 1-4 offense.

It is akin to facing the “read option” in football and I suspect that is a contributing factor to why we missed so many defensive assignments.

Looking for a straw in the barn!

Comment by Dan 72 01.29.14 @ 10:20 am

Tired of reading about PSU in the Gazette. Is it a State College paper? Thank goodness for the Blather.

Comment by Frank 01.29.14 @ 10:23 am

I took plenty of stats classes. My job involves it too.

Actually, I specifically said it was a small sample size!!

I also said, if they start throwing up bricks, then you take them out, tell them not to shoot, etc. etc. Whatever the case may be.

I also specifically said, “I’m not calling for willny nilly 3 balls all over the place”.

What I did say, is to have a basketball player, that is known to be a half decent shooter, look to pass to someone else, when he is 15 or 18 feet away from the basket, with no one guarding him, having a clear and open shot to the hoop, is absolutely ridiculous.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 10:24 am

By the way no one answered my question why don’t we use the intentional foul at the end of the game?

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 9:38 am

Yea I suggested that during the game the other nite. Do what other teams do to us.

I always believe you when you were losing you tried to lengthen (elongate) the game.

We all know how long the end of the GT and MD games were. Eternal it seemed.

The Duke game ending zipped right by.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:27 am

If Stanford beats AZ tonight Pitt RPI moves up big time.

Comment by Frank 01.29.14 @ 10:29 am

lol Frank,

Yea I’ve been tired about that for about 30 years now.

All PITT folks need to not subscribe to that rag.

Let them die on the vein. It’s a dying industry, let’s expedite it.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:30 am

lol vine… please..cream & sugar

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:31 am

Funny thing about Artis getting yanked, had he not scored 8 points in the 1rst half. That halftime deficit would probably have been much larger.

Pitt got 3’s from some unlikely sources the other nite.
2 from Artis
1 from Young
1 from Wright.
1 from Robinson.

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:34 am

I also said, I have no idea that Dixon ever has even told players not to shoot, other than a tweet from Young one time.

I have seen guys, totally unguarded though, and hesitate to as what they should do.

Maybe that’s freshmen jitters, lack of confidence, not sure of themselves, whatever.

Can’t have hesitation on a Div 1 college basketball court.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 10:36 am

What was with JD running out all over the court, to where the Ref had to come over and calm him down.

I really do think Slice should take him to the University Club for a couple pre-game Martini’s or something. He was all red in the face, etc.

Needs to really learn how to relax..for his own health !

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:40 am

Wbb and EMel you know what is funny half of North Carolina team cant read a news paper and should not be in school.
and pitt could not get one player like that in school mostella just one .
and north carolina has done it for years

Comment by Frankcan 01.29.14 @ 10:43 am

Yea Frankie,

Was listening to Roy Boy’s radio show the other nite, he’s been pretty subdued all year. Knows he can’t recruit anymore kids that can’t read, etc.

Really makes his recruiting pool that much smaller, all those kids will have to go to Kentucky and Memphis now ! lol

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:46 am

@emel, don’t forget Louisville

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 10:52 am

oh that’s right…the Ville. I heard little Ricky does the ‘reading is fundamental’ tutoring there.

along with one of his mistresses.

Makes it more like a family !

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 10:56 am

@wardapalooza, I don’t know if I’m right either. What I do know is that when we have lost, it is as much a lack of scoring as it is a lack of defense.

When they double and triple team Patterson, someone needs to pick up the slack.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 11:11 am

@Dan, I agree with you Artis and Young should be give free range to take wide open 15-18 footers. I think that’s definitely in their range. And if they are open they should shoot it. I think some of the hesitation is players being too unselfish.

I don’t think intentional fouling would have worked because Duke was in the double bonus and Duke was shooting free throws decently.

@gc, defense and lack of scoring are connected. If you aren’t getting stops, you are getting in transition.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.29.14 @ 11:47 am

As of today… any talk of paying “Student-Athletes” a stipend is OFFICIALLY DEAD.

As I pointed out a few weeks ago. Just never thought it would make the news so soon.

link to

Comment by PittofDreams 01.29.14 @ 11:52 am

If the new players do not shoot when open, two things, the older players are PRESSURED to take a shot and the new players will hesitate. New players shoot when open and maybe we do better in the tourneys.

Comment by Frank 01.29.14 @ 11:58 am

@ward, and if you are not scoring you are defending fast breaks.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 12:11 pm

and if you can’t score or defend, you lose by 15 points.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 12:14 pm

gc, if you think the Wally Pipp – Lou Gehrig reference is too hyperbolic, would you accept the Drwe Bledsoe – Tom Brady one? How about, to a lesser extent, the Aaron Smith – Colin Kaepernik one? How about going back to 2008, the 1st, 2nd & 3rd team QBs – Tony Pike?

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 12:25 pm

.. that’s the ‘U Cincy’ QBs

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 12:26 pm

Jamie Dixon has had a ton of success with playing his best defensive team at critical moments. However, he had more success the other night with his best offensive team .. a couple of more incidents like this may get him to rethink his process (especially when his best defensive team is not defending very well)

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 12:31 pm

Good ones wbb, how about Joe Montana at ND.

Jamie shouldn’t change his philosophy, just continue tweeking it. Remember when Rollie Massimino, benched his first string when we were kicking their butts up and down the court.

They went on to win the National Championship that year.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 12:44 pm


@hugh green

“Don’t think you’ve watched much basketball or sports in general with your first comment.”

Wow…….that from the guy who thinks Pitt should press more and brought up L-ville as the example of why it might be a good idea. Did you ever think maybe Pitino recruits the right players (Smith, Siva) to press with and always has a shot blocker (Dieng) in the back to protect the rim? You even brought up VCU; I think they had Skeen up front and Larry Sanders in the back.

Would you really recommend pressing with James Robinson (nice defender, but not for 90 feet) and Cam Wright (again, decent defender, but not a ballhawk) in your backcourt and Zanna protecting the rim? Really?

Who would be stealing the passes at halfcourt like Terence Williams used to do for Pitino? Patterson? Really?

Be careful on the “it doesn’t seem like you’ve watched much hoops” angle — many of your comments (and there are WAY too many) would make it seem like you’ve watched plenty but haven’t figured out much.

Comment by hugh green 01.29.14 @ 12:47 pm

PoD, what if the National Labor Relations Board sides with the students…Also, keep in mind that it is not only the players that favor the stipend. It is also the “paid” talent associated with college football, the coaches, that would be in faovr of a stipend. Some of college FBs top coaches have spoken in favor of a stipend.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.29.14 @ 12:53 pm

Emel been saying that about Jamie for years. He’s too anxious and tight during games needs to relax. right now we really don’t know the real Pitt team; the cohesive machine that beat Clemson or the challenged team that got clobbered by Duke. I believe the Virginia game will give us the answer. Are we about to lose two straight at home, get handled by the better ACC teams and be who they said we are (6th) or do we beat VA, dismiss our Duke game was an off night and prove that in the ACC Pitt is relevant?

Comment by Old School Panther 01.29.14 @ 12:55 pm

We are not as talented as Duke, and Duke is not as good as they played against us. We have lost games just like that to ND over the years. When a talented 3 point shooting team gets hot, they are very hard to beat. Dawkings hit 6 of 7 threes. That is a great game and a statistical anomaly. They did get too many open looks, but several of those 3s were not just contested, they were bad shots to take. I suspect you will see a far more human Duke team vs. Syracuse when it comes to 3 point shooting, and not just because they have a great defense.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.29.14 @ 1:01 pm

Old Shcool, have you seen Izzo coach lately…it seems to work for him…I will say with Dixon’s coaching style, I worry more about his health given what we know about his familiy history.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.29.14 @ 1:03 pm

This Duke team is weaker than they usually are as is UNC, etc. I hope we upgrade our talent to compete. UNC will not accept a bad season 2 years in a row. We need a new AD that isn’t just happy making a tourney.

Question – Who was the AD that hired Miller at UA? Miller as we knew would do good but what was the connection there. That was a gutsy ballsy hire to hire Sean to replace Lute. It has turned out to be a great move and good vision from the AD. Wonder if he is from the PA/OH area. Take care guys… Cold in Texas but will hit 74 tomorrow. These 50 degree shifts in temps are crazy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 1:08 pm

For players to unionize they have to be employees, pretty much a stretch. While a reasonable stipend might be justified, negotiated salary and benefits could potentially wipeout college sports.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 1:09 pm

Anyway, I thought the SEC already paid their players.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 1:15 pm

4 players suspended for the season at Bobby Mo??

They were undefeated in their conference.

I always have cheered for them, especially when they’ve made the tourney. Too bad.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 1:20 pm

Wow…….that from the guy who thinks Pitt should press more and brought up L-ville as the example of why it might be a good idea.
Comment by hugh green 01.29.14 @ 12:47 pm

Your reading comprehensive skills are lacking. You need to go back and reread what I posted.

Are you sure you went to PITT ?

Comment by Emel 01.29.14 @ 1:52 pm

baseball- a few things:

First, re mediocrity, you may want to check your history/facts first, and secondly, you may want to look at the verbals we have right now. All this info. is free.

Second, not sure who your team is, but to cover all the bases, I can honestly say both WV & Penn St stink right now. If you’re a Mountie, then your team stinks less, congrats.

Comment by 1618mt 01.29.14 @ 2:16 pm

Dan – I think the players don’t hesitate to take a shot, they hesitate because they don’t want to take a BAD shot. Under Dixon’s system, if you’re open, and guys have offensive rebounding posistion, go for it. If you’re open, and you take a long shot that rebounds out to a fast break, you will be benched.

It seems like it takes experience for the younger players to identify the good shots versus the bad.

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.29.14 @ 2:19 pm

Keyboard, I think there is truth in what you said, but ” he who hesitates is lost”

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 2:32 pm

when Sean was hired at AU, it wouldn’t have surprised me if they didn’t inquiry about Jamie first, since back then, just about every school (especially those from the PAC12 where Jamie grew up) were interested in him. I know for a fact that before ASU hired (Pittsburgher) Herb Sendek from NC St, Jamie was contacted.

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 2:44 pm

Sean Miller was one of the hottest coaching names out there when he was hired by AZ. Not sure how that it gutsy at all. Dixon was heavily rumored for the Arizona job as well.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.29.14 @ 3:14 pm

I think I remember Artis dissing the Duke bench after his last 3….maybe that’s why he got wanked. I hope it’s not because he was felling it and shooting the ball…either way, it didn’t look good to new recruits IMO on national TV.


Pitt 18-3 ACC 6-2
“what’s wrong with Pitt??”

Ha, ha. People and human nature are funny.

Comment by Dan 01.28.14 @ 11:23 am


What’s not so funny is Pitt is 0-3 against top 50 teams…and that’s a real problem…

Comment by Jackagain 01.29.14 @ 4:16 pm

Would it be better to be 10-11??

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 4:20 pm

He didn’t diss the bench — it did look like he was talking stuff to the guy who guarded him though, but it hust appeared to be a few words. But he wasn’t pulled immediately after that (I was interested to see if he would be)

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 4:22 pm

I think you mean “reading comprehension” skills. Let’s just keep the comments sports-focused so you don’t dig a deeper hole and smear that Pitt education.

I think the media’s been missing one of the major points on the NCAA athlete stipend or unionization topic. You blow your knee out on the job, you’re entitled to benefits. You blow your knee out making millions for the university and you’re not entitled to anything.

Of course these kids need some type of collective agreement and organization to protect their interests.

Comment by hugh green 01.29.14 @ 4:24 pm

What if they blow out their knee in high school, how far does it go?

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 4:31 pm

Ward – He won at Xavier. Yes he was an up and comer but he wasn’t one of the hottest as you say. There was probably 4-6 names that were proven older coaches. Miller was ballsy to replace a f-ing legend.

1618 – More of the same old WVU/PSU garbage. God forbid someone not drink koolaid every day. Mediocrity to me is once a blue moon getting a 4 star kid in hoops and mediocrity to me is not showing up in March. The last time we went remotely deep in the tourney was the 2008. It is 2013. It’s been 5 years. (In that time here is what we did… 09 – Lost in 2nd round. ’10 – Lost in 3rd round. ’11 – Didn’t make the tourney. ’12 Lost in 2nds round. To me you don’t need to pay a coach 2.5M and give him a 10 year contract. This is just my opinion. Maybe we can revisit this in March and see if the pattern continues. As far as 4 stars I see one in Mostella who decomitted from Ok St. I hope that sticks and he comes to Pitt. You don’t beat the Duke’s of the world with 1 4 Star player. You need 2-3 and some damn good role players and 3 stars.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 4:34 pm

Hell, no one predicted Pitt would even have a half decent season. No one predicted Lamar Patterson would have a break out year. No one predicted Zanna would start to realize his potential.

Most people slanted towards the Pitt basketball program was going down hill.

We lost to Cincy. By ONE.
We lost to Syracuse, at Syracuse, by 5, really 2 or 3, two garbage points with a second on the clock.

Ok, Duke took it too us in the second half.

I find it funny, that Pitt wins some games, wins a lot of games, and fans start talking about Elite 8 and Final 4.

Then Pitt loses a game, and people say Pitt sucks and start the questioning of Dixon.

I guess it all has to do with expectations.

I didn’t expect much from this team. I thought they’d be lucky to get in the tourney, and lucky to be in the top 5 or 6 of the ACC.

Especially with losing so many players, having freshman play so much etc. etc..

I’m pleasantly surprised by this team, and have thouroughly enjoyed this year so far.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 4:36 pm

For me it’s always about tracking the money. If it’s some private high school that makes endowment money from sports and a football player risks injury doing something that generates revenue for the institution, then I think that player deserves protection.

But I wouldn’t make that argument for most public high school athletics.

Comment by hugh green 01.29.14 @ 4:46 pm

Dan – I agree. I didn’t expect much but in the business of major college basketball why do we cut Dixon so much slack. He is the coach, the CEO he has to be prepared for anything. Not recruiting top players? Why not? We have become a basketball school. Look at the arena. Why did it take so long to hire Barry back? He is obviously the recruiter on the staff. Why did we miss a tourney? I’m afraid that Dixon doesn’t get respect because he doesn’t win in March. Maybe I’m crazy but the junk non con schedule adds to that. If you want to be great you have to do the things that get you national respect. People like Dixon, I like Dixon. I think he is a great ambassador and has high character. I’m just saying as the CEO the lack of winning in March, recruiting and not learning from mistakes scares me. This year I didn’t expect much at all. But how does he get in situations at a major program were expectations aren’t high.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 4:51 pm

@hugh green, insurance for the players is an interesting concept. How would you determine level of coverage and who is eligible? Would it just be Football and Basketball or do you add soccer and track for a guy like Roger Kingdom? Who makes these decisions?

Does the University get coverage for itself as well?

Sounds like a lot of money could be made by the insurance industry and the organization that manages the process. Going to need a whole lot of lawyers.

How does this work in baseball’s minor leagues?

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 4:58 pm

Upitt, many valid points.

I believe the recruiting is rising however, with the recruits he has coming in in 15 and 16. (probably has a lot to do with Barry), so agreed.

I agree totally about the non-con, I’ve talked about that enough.

I don’t cut him so much slack. I question things.
And, on the Pitt Blather, he certainly gets his share of criticism, I wouldn’t say the Blather cuts him slack.

He’s kind of getting blasted right now by the two clowns on 93.7 right now.

I guess, I see it as one loss to Duke.

If they lose 6 out of their last 10, I’ll be bitchin’ too.

If they get blown out by UVA. Sunday, I’ll be upset.

I just feel like there is a lot of over reaction when a team loses one game.

Also, don’t know how old you are, but I was around in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s when Pitt had lots of teams that went 12-17, 13-16, and 11-18.

So, I view this as the golden era of Pitt basketball the last 12 years.

I understand that we (as fans) want to take the next step. I get that. I certainly want to go to a Final Four.

I also realize, most coaches never get to the Final Four. Hell, most coaches don’t even get to the tourney. Do you realize how many coaches there have been in Div 1 basketball the past 12 years, with most never getting a tourney game??

Many coaches who won a NC, never even did it until they were in their 20th something year.

Upitt, I believe he gets some more time, because, as you stated, I believe a huge loss was Barry leaving. It definitely interrupted the program. I think that’s obvious, especially when it comes to recruiting, you’d have to be blind not to see that.

With some of the players he has coming in, I think Pitt will take that next step in the next 3 or 4 years.

Not necessarily a NC, but I believe several Elite 8’s, maybe a Final Four, and consistently back in the top 10 are around the corner.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 5:08 pm

Certainly, IMHO.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 5:09 pm

Dan, look at my links….Dixon has no one special coming in until 2016….and that’s if Heron decides to sign here. And it’s one guy…

link to

If Dixon doesn’t ramp up the recruiting, and yes this could mean getting shooters who are allowed to shoot, the “golden era of Pitt basketball” could soon be a distant memory. It takes less time than you think…2 or 3 more crap outs in March…

Comment by Jackagain 01.29.14 @ 5:19 pm

Thanks Dan. I’m 36. I started at Pitt Willard was there. Boy that was some bad hoops. Haha. My first football game I attended OSU beat us 72-0 I think and Eddie George was a beast. We have come a long way I just want us to do the easy work now. The hard work is already done. I could tell you some stories about Trees Field that would make you LOL. Take care man. I saw UVA last night I think and shit they looked good. I never knew them to be a hoops school.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 5:21 pm

If anyone thinks Pitt will bring in the same type of players as Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, NC etc. you are dreaming. Until they get rid of the 1 and done Pitt has very little chance to make a final 4. I know Steve Adams was a 1 and done but you cannot compare him to Parker and the other lottery picks this year that we know are out in one year. In fact I have watched Adams and he looks like he did last year with the little defense they play. The other night he had 4 points on 1 of 4 shooting in 20 minutes and did not look much better than he did last year. Although he provides the big body I doubt if he would be scoring as much as Zanna is this year. If you enjoy good basketball enjoy watching a team like Pitt that uses teamwork and might have a chance every couple of years to make a run in the tournament. If you want to watch NBA players watch Duke, NC, KS and KY play. If that player gets hot in the tournament your chances of winning are not good. That is why seeding is so important. If you are a 7 or 8 seed you end up seeing these players starting in the second round and your chances to get to the sweet 16 are minimal. Duke has finally bought into this, they have 3 of the top 10 freshman coming in next year. All will want to start and may be one and done’s like the KY teams. The deck is stacked until they let HS kids go directly to the NBA. Take 6 credits in the summer, pass 6 credits in the fall and have your 12 credits for the spring term and never go to class, get selected as a lottery pick and make millions.

Comment by JP 01.29.14 @ 5:22 pm

@Upitt, and Jackagain.

Also, the age old question. Who ya gonna get, and are you sure they will do better??

I’m not a fan of Smug Smile Steve, and maybe he did blow it with Miller.

Fine, can’t keep talking about that.

Would Miller even come here. Does he have any “wants to go home” stuff in his heart.

I’d say Miller is probably pretty cushy and set up pretty nicely in Tucson.

Has enough money to fly his folks, brother, sisters, nieces, nephews out anytime they want. Probably vacation together.

So, it comes back to, who ya gonna get??

Don’t want to hear woulda, coulda, shoulda!!

Tell me who, names please, who Pitt should get??

Also, please guarantee me that they will do as well as Jamie Dixon.

Give me the name, and a guarantee, and I’ll join your opinion.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 5:24 pm

@jackagain, are you looking at the same recruiting site I am???????

2015 Damon Wilson 4STAR shooting guard.

2016 Mustapha Heron 4STAR shooting guard.
2016 Maverick Rowan 4STAR shooting guard.

Not like there are any other stiffs in there. Those are the only three recruits he has signed so far.

I don’t know, I went to

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 5:31 pm

@Upitt, back at you brother.

I didn’t get to watch the game, but when I went by, I think UVA was beating them by 19, or maybe even 29?? Don’t know what it ended up, but looked like Pitt will have it’s hands full.

p.s. I love Sean Miller. A Pitt hero. Love to see him succeeding.

Comment by Dan 01.29.14 @ 5:33 pm

AZ at Stanford on ESPN2 at 9 pm. Go Stanford.

Comment by Frank 01.29.14 @ 5:55 pm

Jackagain and UPitt critical of Dixon? Oh that never happens. You dudes just don’t like Dixon. I don’t know why you bother to pretend as if it’s anything different. I shouldn’t even bother reading your comments when it comes to basketball. I could point out numerous times over and over how lots of schools want Dixon. Or how lots of schools would be thrilled to have the success Pitt has had in basketball. And UPitt will say oh why pay Dixon for mediocre. But you will just continue to say the same things over and over and over. You can’t get to March basketball without winning in the other months. You act like Pitt basketball is some sort of crown jewel of basketball that will always make the tournament regardless of the coach.

Jackagain, seriously WTF dude. After last season, all you talked about how the team was going to suck this year. You don’t know what you are talking about. Dixon is the golden era. Dixon always wins. You say Dixon has no good recruits coming in. That’s so insane. Everyone says Wilson is going to end up being a stud. Next year you have Jeter who was playing well in the SEC, Luther who everyone says is getting better and better and potential sleeper in the C, and maybe Mostella a top 50 guard.

And all this junk nonconference stuff is so annoying. Literally all of you are making a big deal over one or two games a year. Heck even this year the nonconference RPI for Pitt is 5. So while they didn’t play anyone awesome the schedule doesn’t hurt the RPI.

UPitt seriously, google Sean Miller and the Arizona job and you will see that when he was hired people at Arizona were really excited. He had just taken Xavier to the Elite 8 and the Sweet 16. He was a hot name. Don’t argue about stuff you don’t know about. Heck he didn’t even replace Lute Olsen directly.

Honestly, this so beyond annoying on here. Y’all act like the team this year is bad or something. 18-3 is nothing to laugh at.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.29.14 @ 5:56 pm

For whatever reason, it is hard to recruit to Pitt, forever, Syracuse, UCONN, Georgetown, even Villanova had better players than us. You have to love Jamie for the results considering the circumstances.

It will be no different in the ACC, just two new blue bloods, replacing some of the old.

Syracuse, Duke, NC, Louisville will consistently have the better players. Jamie will have the fifth year seniors, hopefully. The pipeline is a little dry right now, thankfully a great freshman class.

I’m with Dan, very few could have predicted the season we are having. Talk of Top Ten and a long run was always premature and a little over the top. Where is Spirit by the way?

It doesn’t mean we should hang our heads, there are still a lot of good games to come. Duke exposed some of our weaknesses but it remains to be seen whether we bounce back and live up to our potential.

Let the radio assholes bemoan the final four bullshit. They could care less about Pitt and just hope someone is listening to them. They love it when we stumble. Cook tells us how great we are then stabs us in the back.

NC has it’s championships, we know that they did it with kids that can’t read. I am sure that Calipuri’s and Pitino’s kids would also have trouble with the test. They aren’t talking about that on the Fan.

I am happy to be competitive as long as we have character kids we can be proud of.

I wonder if Franklin’s rapist kids could read? wbb posted an interesting article about rape at PSU. We can tell what is important to them. Makes the hire even more ironic. They aren’t talking about that on the Fan either.

This is not to say that we can’t end up with a bad kid once in a while, but at least we can make an effort to do the right thing.

I’ll take Chryst and Jamie over those hypocrites any day.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 6:01 pm

Read wbb’s link at 10:18 pm, makes Franklin’s hire even more tone deaf.

Oh, I know “Franklin did nothing wrong”

Well, he at least recruited four rapist’s and one guy who actively covered it up. Real character guys.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 6:09 pm

wardpalooza, agree, Miller indeed was becoming a hot commodity after just a few years a Xavier, and he received a handsome offer from AU

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 6:17 pm

Ward – Since you are Larry Bird himself kindly tell me who the F$ck we beat this year that is a above average quality team? Please tell me and kindly don’t count Slippery Rock, Geneva, Carlow, Stanford or West Texas State Baptist.

Miller was hired and it took balls. He replaced a legend at a high profile school. If I’m not wrong Calipari or Pitino turned down the job. Miller was good but wasn’t the hottest name out there. He wanted the Pitt job. It is a fact. I know his brother.

Dan – I think Archie in a few years will be just as good a coach as Sean. We will stick with Dixon till 2040 hoping he finally wins in March and Archie will take NC State to the Final Four while we are waiting. Sean – Probably wouldn’t leave Arizona until he wins it all. After that he would come home. Just my take.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 6:17 pm

@Wardapalooza your points are well taken, but people just like to blow off steam on sports boards. Take it all with a grain of salt.

You have to love Jamie Dixon’s winning record, his management of a consistently good program, and his obvious love of Pitt and Pittsburgh.

Still…you look at 18-3, and yes, it’s “nothing to laugh at.” Still…you know the 3 losses came against the 3 good teams.
Still…you can love the man and what he’s done and still harbor a fear that deep down, he is Marty Schottenheimer.

Comment by BATR 01.29.14 @ 6:26 pm

I’m driving in for the Virginia game this weekend. The forecast calls for a wintry mix that morning. How are the roads, especially going up the hill to the TV lot?

Comment by gdodson 01.29.14 @ 6:31 pm

Some posters on here take the Little Sisters of the Poor approach. We’re Pitt and we’re lucky to win consistently. We’re Pitt. We shouldn’t aspire to win the NCAA Tournament. We’re Pitt. Our recruiting will always suck compared to the big boys. Dixon is the best we deserve.

Does someone want to find out how Pitt basketball is funded compared to Syracuse, Louisville, Duke, etc.? And when Dixon got his contract extension, did he negotiate with idiot Pederson to get his program everything he needed?

Don’t have the answers and as secretive as Pitt is, no one ever will.

Many of us don’t aspire to be perpetual also-rans. Is Dixon just plain immune to criticism when he losses, when his team goes ice cube when it counts? When his coaching decisions are questioned by the national press?

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.29.14 @ 6:31 pm

Upitt, I was at Pitt with Depasqua and Ridl and I have said this one hundred times. Pitt does not want to succeed in sports. Moderate success is fine but Alabama or Kentucky success will never be tolerated. Been that way since 1930. Grandfather and Father taught at Pitt and I learned at an early age the academics wanted Pitt to be Ivy. Maybe not as severe these days but we will never be totally committed to athletics. Thats why Stevie is perfect, complete yes man and smiles like a fool all the time.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.29.14 @ 6:35 pm

Cas – Truer words have not been spoken. He is the perfect token AD. The guy is a joke nationally with real AD’s. You are right. He is a Yes Sir guy and he hires Yes Sir guys. Potato Paul is one in my opinion. He only hires yes sir horses who will never challenge him to make him better. Win 6 in football and you have a job for life. In hoops collect 15 wins against garbage opponents and we will give you a 10 year extension. Hell the basketball gal won o games in two years and still had a job.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 6:41 pm

Upitt, I’m holding out hope for football. I really feel like Chryst could end up like Nehlen at wvu(sorry I said that). Nice team every three years or so. Call me a koolaid drinker I say I’m an optimist. What the heck I stayed here for almost sixty years and rooted for Pitt for as long as I can remember. I do believe unless we get another Ambridge or Schenley dynasty basketball might have leveled off.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.29.14 @ 6:50 pm

Cas – I love and respect your loyalty. I’m having a tough time with that b/c of the AD and powers to be.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 6:55 pm

Cas is right, I was there at the same time and we are probably lucky we didn’t go the way of CMU. If the State didn’t bail us out we might have merged with CMU.

Anyway TonyinHouston can aspire all he wants, but unless you are one of the oil barons and can write a check for multiple millions your aspirations will continue to go unfulfilled.

Those in charge are completely happy with the status quo. Bitching about it is like being the little girl that wants her daddy to buy her a Mercedes Convertible and he is working two shifts at McDonalds.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 7:02 pm

I think I posted before that Pitt tried to get into the Ivy League in the early 60s but was rebuffed. Pitt is oldest member of ACC – 226 years.

To bad about sports as Pitt is losing students who want to be at a winning sports school.

Comment by Frank 01.29.14 @ 7:18 pm

There is a MAJOR difference between NCAA BB and FB, especially at Pitt, in that our BB Coach is paid much more than the FB coach, which occurs in very few schools. It is easier to succeed at BB also when you have been a member of the BE and the ACC, whereas these 2 conferences don’t have the same cache or especially exposure in FB.

It doesn’t take many recruits to build up a BB team as it does a FB team, and we have a MUCH better BB recruiting base in NYC/NJ/Phil/Balt area than we have in FB. Finally, a sold out Pete is much better recruiting tool than 2/3 full Heinz.

Having said that, our BB is still better than over 90% of the programs in the NCAA, and I am not going to bitch for a new coach every freaking time we have a bad loss. Lastly, I am very much looking forward to the next few yeas with the current frosh plus the commits coming in the next few years.

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 7:30 pm

Nice to see us have a great year in wrestling. If you want to know how administration feels about sports in general, just look at our results in non revenue generating sports.

Trivia, Stanford has the most NCAA Championships in all sports.

At Rec Hall at PSU there is a team photo of all sports teams going back 100 years.

We have a nice collage at the Pete.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 8:07 pm

Hugh Green, Emel is it safe to come out now?

Am I glad I’m old. The way you guys were going at it reminded me why I was getting my nose broken all the time. (I’m a Catholic kid from B’klyn.)

Too much testosterone and a big mouth was my downfall. Nose still looks okay though. All right, I ready for Sunday!

Emel keep writing, you’re fun. Hugh, haven’t read enough of your stuff to comment. However, all of us being less personal, is just respectful

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.29.14 @ 8:53 pm

I propose that Upittbaseball be banned. Every opinion from him is skewed by his hatred for our AD. I’m sick of scrolling by his worthless, tainted comments.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 9:04 pm

I propose Jeff get a raise or at least free koolaid as Pederson’s Intern here reading posts. No one likes the guy. How many times does he need fired Jeff. Win 6 in FB and 18 Non Cons and all is good for you eh?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 9:12 pm

gc does the collage show any pictures of our men’s gymnastic teams of years ago?

Most people (nationally) see us as a major program in basketball.

Gonzaga in Spokane is happy with their status, we should be too.

It is the best we have for now. The world turns, ten- fifteen years from now, who knows. At least we have basketball, wrestling, and baseball for now.

Would love to see us add Lacrosse as a varsity sport. It is a class sport dominated by the ACC.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.29.14 @ 9:14 pm

Wow, UPitt with all the answers from his armchair once again. I am sure he’s told somebody in this thread that he played varsity baseball for instant credibility as AD. Fire Dixon and replace with Miller. Fire SP and replace with? Fire HCPC and replace with? It’s the UPitt mantra.

UPitt, Dixon just successfully recruited four star Michael Young. The year before it was James Robinson (4-star) and Steven Adams (5-star). Two years ago he successfully recruited Khem Birch (5-star). Please stop cherry picking your facts.

Did Miller show balls in going to AZ or did he capitalize on the twenty five years of effort that Lute put in making AZ one of the top programs in the country? BTW, Lute left in 2008. Interim Russ Pennell coached the entire 2008 season and was succeeded by Miller. Nice omission by you.
Miller’s tenure at AZ includes:

No postseason first year
Elite Eight second year
NIT third year
Sweet Sixteen last year
Number #1 ranking this year

I am not clear what your point is about his great work at AZ relative to Dixon. Dixon has done all of that except play in the NIT. Dixon was two Jermaine Dixon brain farts and a Gilbert Brown statue imitation from a final four in 2008. Sean benefited from an NBA lottery pick (Derrick Williams) in that AZ Elite Eight appearance. Interestingly they lost to national champion UConn. During a press conference in that year’s tourney (after Pitt lost to Butler) HOF coach Jim Calhoun said that Pitt was the best team they had played all year.

Last year Pitt was bounced from the tourney by a final four team that is presently #5 in the country. In 2010 they were bounced by a tourney finalist (Butler) that had been a finalist the year before. Again with the omissions!

I’d have no problem with Sean Miller as Pitt head coach. Just not at the expense of Jamie Dixon.

For Emel, perhaps what Dixon was doing in the non-con was integrating three true freshman, one RS freshman and one junior transfer into a team with three returning starters. He also was apparently working on your beloved zone defense. He must have forsaken the emphasis on (Pitino, Richardson, Thompson style) press for the essentials of motion offense, starter/sub rotations, chemistry and man-to-man defense.

Comment by Barvo 01.29.14 @ 9:19 pm

Penn St just beat Oh St in Columbus, Nits first road win. OSU was preseason ranked in Top 5 and are still ranked, at least until next week.

Big 10 coaches and media shamelessly rank their teams in both FB and BB year after year with no objectivity

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 9:24 pm

both Dixon and Miller are upper level coaches and 95% of the schools would love to have either … just leave it at that

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 9:27 pm

Keep it up Upittnoballs. I sure Chas is getting sick of your BS too. You are Joe D in disguise.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 9:40 pm

I actually think that just ignoring him would be much better than banning him

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 9:43 pm

Btw…I’ve have met the man and like him. I could tell a story about him and some of the nice things I have personally see him do but it would just fall on deaf, dumb ears. I know people also in the Pitt Athletic department who love him. You are just a shallow man with an ax to grind who really doesn’t know jack about what’s going on at Pitt.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 9:46 pm

Your right wbb, I’ve been trying to ignore him for awhile, just sick of his totally jaded BS.

btw wbb, I do read and enjoy your posts. They are usually well written and thought out.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 9:50 pm

Thank you, appreciate it.

Comment by wbb 01.29.14 @ 9:57 pm

If you guys are content with winning 6 games in football and playing in Detroit or Birmingham then I don’t know what to say. If you are content with basketball falling short every year so be it. Jeff – I’m glad you are so tied into what is going on at Pitt. I also know people in the department and they think Pederson is a joke. I’d like to know if I’m supposed to be a WVU fan? A PSU Fan? Joe Dirt? I’m trying to keep up bc God forbid I just be an average Joe who is sick of his alma matter settling to be average.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 10:00 pm

As I said yesterday:

While I don’t necessarily agree with what everyone says on this board all the time, I do appreciate when the argument is backed up with facts, statistics, etc. I find that it elevates the discourse immensely. And, given that this is a rather enlightened group to begin with, it makes the conversation even more enlightening.

And now I will add:

Invective, hyperbole not used to underscore an argument, and ad hominem attacks are weak rhetorical devices and diminish all of us. Plus they make it tedious to read what I believe is one of the best sports blogs ever.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.29.14 @ 10:04 pm

Who’d a thought PSU would help our rpi

Comment by John 01.29.14 @ 10:08 pm

Jeff….you must be thinking of (where they call for bans every day, or Dokish’s site…I never saw anyone banned here before. The only call for being banned should be for personal attacks on members here, not for passionate criticism of Pit sports.

However I have heard of new guys coming on here from Cyanide Steve’s office to both read, and sometimes post. :-) I hope you’re not one of them…

BTW….I never even hinted that Dixon be replaced in my above post….cool it please. What I want is for him to take his head out of his rear-end and at least try to get top 100 guys in here. Is that asking too much? That and let them play if they’re hot. He was shooter in college, he should know better. There has to be a valid reason why Pitt BB lost good players to teams like Buttgers & UNLV.

He needs to sit down and not try to micro manage every play too. I don’t see any other BB coach standing up, running around calling out each play….no wonder these kids are so nervous. The guy’s gonna give me a heart attack some day…

BTW Barvo, Dixon didn’t recruit Adams, he was hand delivered…and he didn’t recruit Khem Birch, his assistant did. And Gilbert Brown’s statue imitation was because Dixon couldn’t draw up a good defense for the great play that Jay Wright drew up. He was told not to foul.

As for Miller, the only way he could have come here was for Dixon to take the Arizona job. If he had then I believe that Miller would have come here. Of course that would have taken a smart move by Cyanide Steve….God help us. BTW…John Calipari was on record that he wanted to coach here.

Now OSU….that’s an overrated BB team :-)

Comment by Jackagain 01.29.14 @ 10:10 pm

jeff in cpa upittbaseball he must post we should not stop him he adds a lot to the post hope he is JOE D who would you have to be mad at if he were not here
you were mad enough to post on here i dont think i have read a post bye you before so you came on to yell at him that is good now you are posting.

so he has done some good geting you to post and some times he makes some sence.
it would be boring if we all thought the same.

Comment by Frankcan 01.29.14 @ 10:15 pm

Well said Pitt Dad. I also agree that this group usually knows about what they speak.

We have a bunch of upset fans right now. This too will pass.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.29.14 @ 10:16 pm

Old Pitt Grad, I think there is a picture of Tom Darling, I think he was our only NCAA Gymnastics Champion, if I’m not mistaken it was on the swinging rings, an event that doesn’t exist anymore. I was on the team with some pretty special guys, Lowell Meek from Mt. Lebanon, floor exercise and Joe Gracik, from Butler, side horse. Fun times.

Nice summary Barvo.

Take it easy on UPitt, he is a long suffering Pitt Fan, like the rest of us. Just a tad darker, a glass half empty kind of guy.

Comment by gc 01.29.14 @ 10:17 pm

Jackagain if john calipari were are coach you would love it becuse we would almost never lose and we would have been NCAA champs at least 2 times in last 6 years.

Comment by Frankcan 01.29.14 @ 10:26 pm

Frankcan please find the shift button on your keyboard. I never read your posts now because they give me a headache. Many of the posters on here take the time to make sure that there opinions are presented in a manner that is readable. You don’t seem to care. Can’t you at least make an effort?

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 10:26 pm

Jeff – I apologize to you if I upset you. Not my intentions. Like the guys say I do care. I don’t live near the Burgh and nationally we get laughed at. I travel a ton and we have no respect at all in football and the street cred we had in basketball is dwiddling cause every year we shit on peoples brackets. Frank, GC, Old Pitt, Frankcan, Jackagain, thanks for jumping into this one as well. I’m not Joe D for the record I guess Chas probably knows that but to be honest I haven’t saw that name on here for awhile. Just an upset Pitt guy who hates our program not getting respect. Oh and I do hate Pederson. I’m sure he isn’t a bad person just a shitty AD in my eyes. I remember when he was hired and he talked to our team. We were like is this guy serious a college AD.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 10:28 pm

My opinion of Steve is mine and mine alone with regards to this blog. I am not anyone else in disguise. I am a season ticket holder in both basketball and football and make the seven hour road trip to go to games. I am also an alumnus. I do interact with different people at Pitt and my opinion is based on firsthand experience.

I am not satisfied with the status qou regarding Pitt’s wins but at the same time I see a bright future for us with both Paul Chryst and Jamie Dixon at the helm. We got a bowl win, and good recruiting class in both sports coming in, and we are going to the NCAA’s again this year. How many other schools can say that?

I prefer to be the optimist. Really, what do Pitt fans really have to complain about? Not much, unless they have a personal ax to grind that they work into almost every post.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 10:46 pm

Stanford hanging with Zona….

link to

Jeff…we’ve gone over this with our old pal Frankcan before. He can’t type…he gets a pass.

BTW….does CPa stand for Cyanide Pederson’s assistant by any chance? Just kiddin’ of course… 😉

Comment by Jackagain 01.29.14 @ 10:50 pm

Jeff in cpa i was trying to be nice i can see that was a waste of my time upittbase ball had no trouble reading what i wrote.
do me a favor dont read anything i write i would call you a troll but maybe you have been on here before so i wont.
but i have been on here for years and have many frends like EMel and Wbb and dan and yes upittbaseball so i dont need you so you leave me alone and i will leave you alone and we dont bane people we are not communist

Comment by Frankcan 01.29.14 @ 10:50 pm

Good job Frankcan, another post you obviously spent a lot of time on. The lack of effort you put into your posts are an insult to the readers on this blog. Especially the ones who take the time the get it right.

BTW… go Stanford! tie game with 2:44 left.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.29.14 @ 10:56 pm

Jeff in CPa if you dont like the way i write or what i write dont read it.
we dont insult each outher on here so if one is baned it is for that.
so as i have said dont read my posts and i wont read yours.

Comment by Frankcan 01.29.14 @ 11:10 pm

Jeff who cares how francan posts. Who are you to judge him. I hope it makes you feel better busting on him for his typing. Who gives 2 shits. As far as what do Pitt fans have to complain about? I hope you are joking. If you are happy with smug steve and where we are in football then I dont have anything else to say. Basketball has failed in March repeatedly. I hope you arent just happy making the tourney like Pederson. Miller wins yet another game.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 11:10 pm

Stanford has gone without a basket for the last 10 minutes at home :-(

7 seconds left…Zona misses the front end of a 1&1….Stanford get the rebound with 11 seconds. Wanna guess what Miller has them do. (hint…Vanderbilt). He fouls. Zona wins by 3.

Comment by Jackagain 01.29.14 @ 11:11 pm

Jackagain – I saw that. Very smart.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.29.14 @ 11:19 pm

The 13-8 (3-4) Bonnies upset #21 UMass.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.29.14 @ 11:21 pm

Uppity – could you explain Stanford taking Arizona down to the wire?

Looking forward to Sunday!!!


Comment by tvax1 01.29.14 @ 11:22 pm

Upittbaseball thank you for your help you know how bad it makes me feel when some one does that to me and none of my outher frends were on tonight
thank you very much.

Comment by Frankcan 01.29.14 @ 11:25 pm

Upitt bad typing by me

So Frankcan, what’s with the typing skills?
Personally, I need an edit button AND more room to type into than this little box.

Comment by tvax1 01.29.14 @ 11:34 pm

Frankcan, you type well enough for me. Keep it up.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.29.14 @ 11:56 pm

@Frankcan and tvax1 – when I have a typo it gets underlined in red – do you guys get that?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.29.14 @ 11:58 pm

Tvax – man they tried to guve it away a few times. I think when a team is 20-0 all the teams rise up and play a top game against them. UA should of lost that one. Stanford scored like 5 points in 9 mins??? Arizona plays good defense but thats crazy. Sunday should be a good game.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 12:00 am

Frankcan – its okay. I don’t like when people mess with people. I love your input and your passion.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 12:02 am

Yeah, I do get the red underline, but I don’t slow down to proofread or even notice it. I just don’t like the small area that holds the reply text especially it you type in more than two paragraphs in one reply.

Comment by tvax1 01.30.14 @ 12:18 am

NW beats Wisconsin @Wisconson!!!!!!

Comment by tvax1 01.30.14 @ 12:27 am

I too dig Frankcan’s posts. Sort of a stream-of-consciousness, e.e. cummings type thing.

Comment by BATR 01.30.14 @ 5:38 am

@hugh green

comprehensive (?k?mpr??h?ns?v)

3. having the ability to understand

Smear my Pitt education ?

I think you mean “reading comprehension” skills. Let’s just keep the comments sports-focused so you don’t dig a deeper hole and smear that Pitt education.
Comment by hugh green 01.29.14 @ 4:24 pm

What you statement does suggest though is:

I was right in that you didn’t go to PITT.

But it does smear, to an extent, of where ever you got your education at ! :-)

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 6:12 am

Anyway most of us are on here to not quibble about words and try to make each other look bad. Most of us want to see PITT win and do well in whatever sport they’re playing in.

Most of us bleed blue & gold and can smell when someone doesn’t.

And some on here, don’t pass the smell test.

Except in a bad way.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 6:29 am

I admit it sometimes takes me a litle while to figure out what frankcan posts, but it really is no big deal. Plus, I have certainly made my share of misspellings and tipos.

Which brings me to why there has been no new blog posts here since Monday, especially that we allegedly have a co-author. Geez, hope that he is not already suffering from writer’s block!

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 7:20 am

FRankcan is more than alright in my book. When you attack him you attack all of us.

Knowing how to decipher his posts (which are actually in Pitt code, so that hoopies and pedo’s can’t decipher them), means you’ve been on here for awhile and care to read what he has posted.

We all didn’t grow up on smart phones and predictive texting and some of us don’t use Internet Explorer. Go figure.

And thank God for those 3 things !

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 7:55 am

We need to put out an APB for sos22 !

I know he went to the game on Monday. Just hope he didn’t don a moosehead and ending up jumping up and down in the student section for 2 hours.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 8:03 am

Stephen Wiseman ?@stevewisemanNC 8h — SU guard Trevor Cooney on Duke: “I’ve never seen anyone go into Pittsburgh and do what Duke did. That’s a tough place to play. Impressive”

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 8:17 am

I get the frustration with the football program but not with basketball. Dixon is a great coach. How many active coaches do you think have a national championship on their resume? With any sport you can pick a coach anywhere in the world that is better than what you have but that is hardly realistic.

As for football, Chryst has completed two years. Hardly enough to judge him on especially with the mess he inherited. For God’s sakes, calling him names is just childish.

As a student I suffered through Fitzgerald Field House and a crumbling Pitt stadium and neither basketball nor football were any good.

I look at ADs like I do the president of the US. Is my life better now after their leadership than before it? As for the president, I can say ‘no freakng way’. For Pederson, I can say it is better as a fan. He doesn’t really impact my life. I am not that obsessed. Actually, much better as a fan.

There is along way to go for football and baseball has rarely been good but there is that ultimate frisbee championship.

I will review it all again next year but progress is being made.

Comment by notrocketscience 01.30.14 @ 8:20 am

‘I just don’t like the small area that holds the reply text especially it you type in more than two paragraphs in one reply.

Comment by tvax1 01.30.14 @ 12:18 am’

I open a blank word doc or outlook e-mail and type my posts there first so spelling/grammar are highlighted and get fixed in those apps before cutting and pasting here.

BTW – I don’t post much, but have been reading this blog for years. At first frank’s posts did bother me a bit, but now I actually enjoy reading them (i liked the ‘stream of consciousness’ reference) and I do notice when he takes a few days off from posting.

Comment by pghFred 01.30.14 @ 8:28 am

Upitt, I’m not Larry Bird but at least I know something about basketball. After last season, I said this year’s team was going to be good, while few others on here did. And hey guess what this team is good. Pitt hasn’t beaten an elite team but their RPI is 18. You don’t just magically get a RPI by beating no one. You act like Pitt is the only school that doesn’t play those small school. Show me one team in the nation that doesn’t play teams with RPIs above 150? Every single school does. By the way Pitt’s nonconference RPI is now 4. Pitt doesn’t just beat crappy nonconference teams, Pitt routinely beats ranked teams year in and year out. Even in the CBI year that team had a couple really good wins. You always act like making the tournament is so easy. It’s not. Plenty of schools in the big conferences rarely go. Once you get to the tournament it only takes a few breaks to go really far. Pitt has been on the opposite end and has gotten some really bad breaks but it will go the other way. I’m not happy with the early losses in the tournament. But the good Pitt teams usually lose to teams that go far in the tournament. It’s one thing to lose to 15 seeds or whatever versus losing to teams that go to the Final Four. Also, I’m not some rah rah Dixon is a God everything he does is right type guy. I’ve pointed out things I think that he needs to change. Coaches even the best make mistakes and need to make adjustments. Dixon is constantly making adjustments. He is recruiting different players etc etc. It doesn’t take balls to hire Miller who was probably the best guy available cause like you said guys like Calipari turned down the job. Miller was winning at Xavier in a decent conference. It’s not like he was some no named coach. Next on Arizona’s coaching list was Josh Pastner. I’ll give you one thing you are consistent with your standards for basketball and football, unlike a lot of Pitt fans. We both agree both should have high standards, where we disagree is about what is a high standard for basketball. I just don’t get why you bother with Pitt basketball. Dixon isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Just seems like a waste of time for you.
TonyinHouston, winning a ton of regular season games and routinely being ranking isn’t being some also-ran. The fall from very good to bad is quick and easy. Just look at Maryland. They won a bunch but as soon as Williams was done they have done nothing.
Jackagain, trust me I’m no Pederson apologist. I haven’t liked him since he completely messed up student basketball tickets when I was in school. A few of us mentioned the recruiting classes coming up and you instead just talked about Dixon not recruiting Adams or Khem Birch. If the Pitt job opened up while Sean Miller was at Xavier, he obviously is hired as head coach. And Calipari wasn’t picked to be head coach because Pitt didn’t want any of his shadiness. He is the only coach to have 2 Final Fours taken away.
Frank, Pitt is losing students who want to be at a winning sports school? Honestly, if you are making your college choice based on athletics you are an idiot. I’d rather have smart students who pick schools based on what is best for their future.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 8:31 am

I only speak for myself but I am much better off financially now than what I was in 08. I’m no big fan of the current Prez but I think people may forget how bad things were in 08.

Likewise, you have to put the AD in perspective. He did a wonderful job in his first stint, and both revenue sports were improved under his watch .. not to mention the consruction of the Pete. However, I have issues as to if the current quality of both the BB and especially FB programs have been raised during his 2nd stint … and especially considering the fact that Pitt now has increased revenue by joining the ACC.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 8:32 am

I apologize for the long rants, but I had a lot to respond to.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 8:32 am

FYI — I have more problem reading the post from Wardapalooza above than from frankcam. In fact, I probbaly won’t even read it.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 8:34 am

I did read Ward’s last sentence beginning with ‘Frank, Pitt …’ and I agree

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 8:38 am

wbb…good point on the second term. They did get the baseball and softball fields completed and there was the Haywood debacle. Chryst may be the deciding factor.
As for the US President….can’t say any president after Reagan has done shit. Republican or democrat, they have all sucked. LOL

Comment by notrocketscience 01.30.14 @ 8:54 am

can’t say any president after Reagan’s FIRST term has done s..t. Why does everyone seem to forget about October 2007, when the economy nearly bottomed out?

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:03 am

I meant October 1987 whn the econcomy nearly bottomed out

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:06 am

After I hit submit, I realized 1. it was way too long and 2. My cut and past from the Word doc left out the paragph spaces. Makes it so hard to read. Sorry bout that.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 9:24 am

To quote Lewis Black, “The only thing dumber than a Republican or a Democrat is when these pricks work together.”

OK, no more politics.

Comment by notrocketscience 01.30.14 @ 9:26 am

Let’s not get into politics, but what exactly has the current prez done since 2008 other than obamacare. (which some ppl are really screwed with if you make more than $50K a year)

$80/Billion/month going to the Banksters (QE3). Doesn’t sound like a democrat.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 9:35 am

@wbb – That has been my take on SP as well. First term he really shook things up and in the process really pissed off a lot of the old guard. Second term, to me, he has just filled a seat while others have made the decisions for him. I know a lot of large donors despise him.

I can recall a presentation where I believe Helen Duratz was speaking and with SP seated next to her she said something to the effect that “I’m so glad our family spent all that money in the name of our to build the Duratz Athletic Center only for you to tear down the stadium to build ANOTHER basketball arena.” I really get the feeling that after he came back to Pitt the anti-SP folks were allowed to take over in a kind of like an ‘I told you so moment’. I honestly believe there are others that are pulling the strings. Others that are so out of touch with reality but have the clout and $$$ to do what they may.

With that said I can envision the last coaching debacle unfolding, Trustees wanting a safe, cheap coach and SP wanting the flashy guy. Trustees overrule and pick Hayward. Hayward goes bust and SP gets Graham. Graham goes bust and SP has to sit at the kids table again and Trustees pick PC. I may be overreaching a bit but I cannot see one man picking 3 folks with two different personalities. The decision process was schizophrenic. When I have seen this type of decisioning in the corporate world it almost always involves a power struggle with a weak central leader.
Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Yeti 01.30.14 @ 9:35 am

agree with notrocketscience…they’ve all sucked.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 9:36 am

all I’m saying is that I’m better off now than what I was in 08 .. and believe that the country certainly is financially as well. I’m not crediting the Prez for it, just think it bottomed out in 08-9 and the economy got better because it’s to the benefit of the people and businesses for it to be better.

I firmly believe while the politicans can realy screw things up, they can only do so much to make things better … people and business will adapt because it is to their benefit.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:41 am

Ward – I didn’t mind your post. Long but good stuff in there. Jeff making fun of Frankcan is still pissing me off.

Emel – Next to Pederson in my eyes is Obama. He is all talk. Obamacare is also a disaster. No more politics from me.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 9:42 am

Yeti, I believe Hayward was hired by Pedersen (without much interference) because of the budget he had to work with. He had inquired about Graham and others before he went after Hayward only to find that those coaches were out of his salary range.

Then after Heyward was axed, he had to coax Nordy to open the wallet for Graham and he was hired in a matter of a few days.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:48 am

It also should be known that Graham was paid a little over $2M back in 2011 whie currently PC is making a reported $1.7m (No way of knowing how accurate this is)

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:54 am

There are currency crises going on in more than just a few countries around the world.

Some are raising interest rates to protect their currencies from massive deflation.

So I don’t know if the financial situation in this country is much better off than it was in 2008.

The underpinnings of the economy are extremely fragile, as they NEVER fixed the problem that got us into the meltdown of 2008.

That being bank derivatives. Basically it’s just another bubble that has been reblown up into bigger proportions, that’s all.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:00 am

@Tony, who doesn’t want Pitt to be a NC or a Final Four team on here??

Pitt is an “also ran”?? I’ve never heard that from anyone the last 12 years.

Even from people that feel Pitt gets disrespected nationally, I don’t believe they could ever say they heard Pitt mentioned as an “also ran”.

Hell, most times I hear about Pitt, they’re known as a national power.

Especially a few years ago when we were #1 and and in the top 10 for several years in a row.

Ok, we had a horrible 2011 and got bounced by WSU last year. SO WHAT??

More than that, and as a critic of Smug Smile Steve as much as anyone……………………

what do we do as fans, to not “accept” it??

Seriously, not being a smart ass, tell me what fans can do??????

Also, as per the ridiculous notion of getting another basketball coach besides Dixon from some posters on here…………………


And, can you guarantee they’ll have as much success as Howland/Dixon have had.

Please make sure the new coach doesn’t start having 12-15 seasons and starts to take us to the bottom 4 of the ACC.

I’m all for it. Tell me what to do as a fan, and what power I have.

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 10:23 am

@Tony, my whole point above is…..

I’m not settling for mediocrity one Pitt.

I think Pitt has one hell of a 12 year run.

The second half of the point, is, ok, how do I not settle for mediocrity, if in fact I may be doing that somehow, some way???

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 10:27 am

ha ha one bit, not one Pitt!!!

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 10:28 am

Politics and Pedersen, wow, do we need a new thread.

Where are you Chas and Mike?

Big, big game on Sunday.

Comment by gc 01.30.14 @ 10:29 am

Basketball computer algorithms are fascinating. #16 Iowa State lost to #6 Kansas on the road so they dropped below us and our BPI went UP from 8 to 7. It was still a 5 point game at the under 8 time out in the second half. Can’t blame ISU for losing to a higher ranked team on the road. But there you have it.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 10:29 am

As long as we’re going up….that’s a good thing Pitt Dad.

Up, up and away…..

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:42 am

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:43 am

Chas will be posting next week … football LOI day is Wednesday I believe. Not sure there is any drama like last year with the exception of

Avonte Maddox (3 star DB/Ath from MI) – who is now a ‘Soft’ verbal according to Rivals

Wade Freebeck (2 to 4 star QB from FL) – while he remains a Pitt commit, he visited Vanderbilt last week. He is supposed to come to Pitt this weekend, if he doesn’t, then it may be a sign

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 10:44 am

“Once you get to the tournament it only takes a few breaks to go really far. Pitt has been on the opposite end and has gotten some really bad breaks but it will go the other way.”

Is it just 10 years of bad breaks (last year’s wipe-out would not qualify as bad break)?

Were you a student during the football stadium switch from Pitt-to 3 Rivers-to Heinz?

Just curious. Thanks.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 10:48 am

@Jeff in CPa

I am not wild about the way some people on here constantly blame Pederson for everything, including climate change. So, I have no problems with you defending and commending him. Your comments are welcome, as are those of everyone else on here.

However, your telling Frankcan that he is a loser because of his way of typing is rather snarky. Who cares how he presents his ideas? My typing sucks most of the time. Thank God for the red highlights of misspelled words.

If you want to criticize Brian Kelly, Charlie Weis, Rick Pitino or Todd Graham, I am with you every step of the way. Probably many more who I am forgetting to list. Let’s not turn on our own. Disagree, yes. Personal attacks, no.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 10:51 am

I agree with you that the chancellor and trustees are happy with a team that wins regularly and makes the NCAAs. I’ve said that all along.

Jeff: If you want to start banning people, you obviously flunked high school civics and probably should be looking at the Far East for your home.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 10:53 am

I despise Pederson but…
Pitt’s highest ranked program right now is wrestling. Kudos to the Pitt athletic department for that one.

Also, Pederson claims to be working on making Miami the final game of the season. If he pulls that off, great. It’s smart scheduling. Now Pitt football needs to be competitive in those games.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 10:59 am

@Jeff in Pa.

You may not know this, however, many times over the years, FRANKCAN has publicly stated, that he has trouble transferring his thoughts to the keyboard.

Allthough, he has no reason to apologize for this, as it’s a sports blog, and should not be a big deal to anyone.

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 11:02 am

Here is the way this is going to go down.

Jeff, Frankcan, Me, Dan, Tony,PMD,wbb, PittDad, GC, Emel,Ward, Yeti and Notrocketscience and Upone can all meet in Arlington for the Final Four. Shit you can all stay at my house. We can drink, smoke cigars and be merry. no one will care how each other types or talks because 1. We would be in the final 4 and 2. B/C Emel and Myself will have enough bourbon, whisky and Vodka and Cigars to not even care. Have a great week all. Go Pitt and as respect to you all I will no longer share my displeasure with Cyanide. Had to slip that one in. Haha. Hoping the Panthers are in Texas in March more specifically Arlington.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 11:09 am

TonyinH, is Stevie working on the UM-Pitt rivalry or are they the only 2 teams left after the natural rivalries (both within and outside of the ACC) are played?

This is definitely a grand scheme for the entire ACC. Remember, Lville almost always played natural rival Kentucky at the beginning of the year, now it is the last game … as is GT-Geo, FSU-UF, and Clemson-SC which is more normal.

However, BC-Syr, NC-NCS, WF-Duke have not been the normal final games. This is was arranged by the ACC, not by Steve.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 11:21 am

Now I DO hate you Upitt.

FU, your beer probably is probably skunked and the cigars counterfeit Cubans.

LOL!!! And hoping the same for being in Texas but it better be April.

Comment by TVax 01.30.14 @ 11:26 am

@Upittbaseball – it will be my pleasure to join you there.

I was speaking with a friend of mine about the Super Bowl. He asked if I would spend for tickets to go since it’s here in the NYC metro area. I said no. He said suppose the Jets (or Giants) were playing? I said no. He kept coming up with other major events and I kept saying no. Then he asked if I would pay to go to the Final 4 if Pitt was playing. Yes. Yes. Most defnitely yes.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 11:26 am


Please also invite Dr Tom. He is one of the guys whose posts I most enjoy. No offense to the rest of you.

Sounds like a great plan. Thanks for including me. I have some Cubans in my humidor that I have been saving for a special occasion. If we make the Final Four, we smoke them all and then I will swim to Cuba to get more.

Let’s win this Sunday first.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 11:32 am

@Upitt, I would love it, and I’m happy to be included on the invite list!!

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 11:46 am

“I admit it sometimes takes me a litle while to figure out what frankcan posts, but it really is no big deal. Plus, I have certainly made my share of misspellings and TIPOS.”

Please tell me you did this on purpose!!!

Comment by Classof69 01.30.14 @ 11:49 am

Hey, #1 Arizona only over Stanford by 3.

Pitt beat Stanford by 21.

These two stats mean absolutely nothing, but, let’s see how Pitt comes back in the next few games.

I didn’t take the Duke loss as hard as some. Duke probably played their best game of the year, and we were with them for a good part of the game.

The important thing is too come back Sunday.

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 11:49 am

Classof69, wonder if anyone else noticed?

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 11:51 am

Shit!!!! I forgot you TVAX and The good Doctor. Doc and I have been on the rocks lately but I still got love for him. If I forgot anyone sorry was going fast. You are all invited. Even Joe Dirt if he still is here. Haha

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 11:53 am

Dan it meant as much as we beat Clemson by 30 (or whatever) and Clemson beat Duke by 15

Many times it matters when you playa team. Duke is certainly much better these past 2 weeks

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 11:53 am

Pitt Dad – Funny story… Steelers played the SB here in Dallas as you know. I was living in Louisiana at the time. My wife and I took out 4500 in cash and couldn’t even get in the game. No one would look our way for that little of money. I said to her I didn’t feel good about the game so we drove home 3 hours or so and watched it at home. Needless to say I would have been upset I blew 4500 and we lost. I’m with you.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 11:56 am

The way I’ve heard people talk about UVA, I have to ask, are we in trouble Sunday??

I have not seen them play.

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 11:58 am

Wake Forest gave Syracuse all it could handle for for much of the game last night. I don’t think Pitt is anywhere as bad as they looked in the Duke game. It’s one game. Yes, the Panthers couldn’t stop them at the end of the game, but Pitt also missed a lot of bunnies around the hoop in the 1st half. Also Duke was hitting 3 pointers like crazy and they firing on all cylinders.

I’m looking forward to signing day on the 5th.

Comment by Justinian 01.30.14 @ 11:59 am

Robert Morris vs. Bryant tonight, ESPU 8:00.

Red out, at the Sewall Center.

As for the suspensions I posted about yesterday, I believe only one guy had significant playing time and scoring.

It will hurt their bench with depth though, obviously.

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 12:01 pm

Two of the things that keep me coming back to The Blather are Frankcan’s sometimes cryptic posts and UPitt’s negativity. Both very entertaining. Also helps that both you guys do a great job of supporting your point of view.

UPitt, you’ve probably rankled all of us one time or another, but there’s a lot of legitimacy to your angst, and I respect your opinion and your passion. And you own up when your wrong. Never once thought you were a troll.

And if you read enough Frankcan, it’s just like learning a new language, eventually it becomes second nature. Frankcanese…

So I’m thinking Sunday might be the biggest game of the year? A win over a top 50 gets that monkey off our back, and puts the Duke loss in the rear view mirror. Lose and we probably drop from the rankings, and panic sets in.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.30.14 @ 12:03 pm

When a team as talented as Duke is playing their A game, a team like Pitt can only do so much. Another big factor is that even though we have played very well this year in an uptempo game, that type of pace definitely favors Duke.

Watch this Saturday … if Syracuse is able to slow down the pace, they will certainly have the advantage

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 12:03 pm

I make spelling and grammar mistakes in my posts all the time. Good points are good points regardless of how they look. Frankcan makes good points and follows recruiting closely.

Tony, some years team just lost to a better team in the tournament think UCLA 2007. Bad breaks would be Zavakas taking off his shoes (under Howland), 2004 getting a 3 seed even though Pitt won the BE regular season title outright, 2009 Nova making every free throw and 2011 Gil Brown not making free throws/the ridiculous foul call. I was a student during the Three Rivers to Heinz Field move. The year at Three Rivers was pretty bad minus the PSU win.

Thanks Upitt, I’ll buy my plane ticket now. It will be nice to save all that hotel money.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 12:03 pm


I actually like the idea of Miami being our year-end game and, therefore, sort of our “rival.” Stretches the conference mindset and does not force some stupid “local” rivalry where none exists. Plus, we are going to have a team that gives Miami a game at least half of the time.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 12:05 pm

Tipos, isn’t that Greek for tipping?

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 12:07 pm

pmdH2P, we have given the U a game only twice to my memory … 97 and 02. 98 was competitive until the 3rd quarter and we got a meaningless TD real late in 03 (but it did extend Fitz’s TD streak)that made the score look respectable.

I’ll say it again .. IMO, we were matched with UM because all of the other natural rivalries were resolved.

iron duke, agree about Sunday’s game being important .. especially to us on this site.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 12:11 pm

OK, in the “for what it’s worth” category.

I went in for a colonoscopy yesterday. Got all basically naked and am laying in the bed with fairly attractive young women attending to some of my needs. They stuck me with needles. I did not stick them with anything.

Anyhow, the doc got delayed in some emergency surgery and I was waiting for almost three hours. So, the nurses found me some old issues of Sports Illustrated. Is very interesting to go back to the football pre-season and now see how wrong most of the predictions were. No mention of Auburn in the Top 25. No Winston as a candidate for the Heisman. Notre Dame expected to be a great team. And, so on.

Gave me a good feeling about the coming year for our team. We may be the sleeper.

But, for now, let’s beat the Cavs.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 12:12 pm

Duke is the type of team we will meet in the tourneys plus the up and coming ones like Wichita State. We must come out hard.
VA made 12 of their first 15 shots against ND last night. How can you beat that without played like there is no tomorrow.

Comment by Frank 01.30.14 @ 12:14 pm

Iron Duke – I actually pissed myself laughing at your post. LOL. Ward – No worries, You can buy a lot of house in Texas for cheap. You are all welcome. No troll here but to honest I’m not even sure what one is. Just a shit stirrer? I do that at times. Haha. Dan – I saw UVA twice and they are big and shoot the rock good and play with passion. I saw them shitkick Notre Dame but I have no idea if ND is good. Tipos – LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 12:17 pm

PMD – Hope and Pray you had a good checkup. At least you were naked with a nurse for a few hours. That alone is a reason to be greatful.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 12:18 pm

pmdH2P, FWIW, I’m due for another colonoscopy this year. Dreading the night before already

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 12:19 pm

@wbb – we all noticed. I was giving you credit for it being intentional.

I too am more than used to Frankcan’s style. Style never bothers me. Sometimes it is even refreshing. Lack of civility is the only thing that will ever keep me from reading a post here.

And, jftr, I have (at times) used profane language here in the middle of a game (see my post at 1.27.14 8:56 PM above). Sometimes profanity is called for but, in case anyone is offended, I hereby offer a blanket apology and hope it can apply to any past or future offenses.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 12:20 pm

So, there is this national signing day coming up…..

Comment by HbgFrank 01.30.14 @ 12:22 pm

@Dan – I actually thought Tipos was the 6th Marx brother.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 12:22 pm

HbgFrank, see my post above @ 10:44 Nobody commented

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 12:24 pm

Upitt – OK, I’m in. I feel better.

what time?(just in case). wife makes an unbelievable salsa. LOL!!!

Lets also have an AED available to be sure I survive the game…..and for me, that would be necessary whether we win or lose.

Comment by TVax 01.30.14 @ 12:25 pm

was the 5th Marx brother Margaret Deaumont?

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 12:25 pm

I suggest we all make a “Frankcansense” post every once in a while to piss off the anal retentives in this crowd.

And no disrespect intended by this post.

Comment by TVax 01.30.14 @ 12:29 pm

TVAX – I love Salsa!

As a side note boys this just went up down the street. I have 6 Breasteraunts near the house but this one may be where we go for our pregame meal. LOL.
link to

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 12:29 pm

Frankcansense – I love it. and Mir..

I have enjoyed this thread. Holy Shit it’s long.

For the longest time I thought Chas, the owner of this site was the Chas Guy that sold that Pitt gear near the Library. Is that guy still selling Pitt Gear there? By the way, If anyone wants to go to Pitt – Miami Baseball or the any other series let me know. In Miami I have hotel covered in South Beach. I will be there for work. I will get a suite. I hope for the best but if Jordano wins 25% of the ACC Games he will have done a hell of a job. ACC/SEC/Big 12 are solid in Baseball and ACC is maybe the best or the SEC.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 12:34 pm

No disrespect even to the anal retentive. Therapy, maybe.

Comment by TVax 01.30.14 @ 12:34 pm

For my blather brothers who have been so nice to me and taken my side thank you very much.
i am sorry i am hard to read i have tried to do better .
if we make the final 4 i am in thanks,
and gc and Wbb you are right this post is way to long.
we need a new post
and as allways EMel you are the best .

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 12:39 pm

Walking back from getting a sandwich for lunch I saw Larry Fitzgerald walking into the Carnegie Deli (7th Avenue at 55th Street). Very cool.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 12:47 pm

Pitt Dad – I just want to throw this out there. I know we started off bad but I like reading your stuff and I like you. I really like when you were dropping the f bomb the other night. I’m still pissed I lost that Duke/Pitt Football game. We were up by 18 or so and didn’t cover 3 points or something crazy.

Frank – How old are you if I may ask. I’m 36 and thei computer technology stuff changes so fast buddy. Do your best it’s awesome. My Dad is 64 or 65 and you are light years ahead of him with the computer.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 1:05 pm

Where is Dr Tom?


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 1:28 pm

Nooooo…Frankcan, please do not change a thing.

Your posts crack me up…they’re kind of like a puzzle challenge (meant with no disrespect). I don’t post much, but I read every day and love reading your posts the way they have always been. I would have much preferred to see you last post like this:

For my blather brothers who have been so nice to me and taken my side thank you very much i am sorry i am hard to read i have tried to do better if we make the final 4 i am in thanks and gc and Wbb you are right this post is way to long we need a new post and as allways EMel you are the best .
Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 12:39 pm

Comment by Hank the Tank 01.30.14 @ 1:54 pm

upittbaseball i will be 69 years old in march i try

i was just trying to explain to jeff that that you have a right to say anything you want and you should not be band
i thought i did it nicely i dont know why he got mad and jumped me.
i like what you say most of the time think how boring it would be if we all thought alike.

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 2:00 pm

I’m with you on Jeff. Maybe he was so mad at me he took it out on your post. Who knows. For 69 you type like Bill Gates in my opinion.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 2:06 pm

OK, I have to get back to work. This is way too addictive.

@wbb—I missed the “tipos.” That was really quite good.

@Classof69—Great catch on “tipos.”

@Dan—“Greek for tipping” deserves applause

@PittDad—Also applause for “6th Marx Brother.”

@wbb—Had no idea who Margaret Dumont was/is. Googled her. Now I get it.

OK, kids. Back to work. Has been fun.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 2:09 pm

Hank the Tank thanks are you the famous hank the tank .
or a outher hank the tank.

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 2:10 pm

pmdH2p, Thx There were 4 Marx brothers that I knew of … Groucho, Harpo, Chico and Zeppo … and if Tipos is the 6th as Pitt Dad contends, then I could only think that Margaret Dumont would have to be the 5th. In fact, if memory serves, Grouco mentioned her when he was presented with the Honorary Oscar back in the 70s.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 2:15 pm


See this is an educational site. We are not wasting our time.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 2:17 pm

Where is Reverend George our spiritual leader? Did you give up on us?

Comment by gc 01.30.14 @ 2:44 pm

One correction. Gummo did appear for a time in the stage act and sang with Groucho and Harpo as The Three Nightingales.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 2:56 pm

“Hello Lorna, how ya Doone?”

Oh wait, that was the Stooges.

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 3:12 pm

Groucho: Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.

Groucho: I never forget a face, but in your case I’ll be glad to make an exception.

Groucho: “That’s in every contract, that’s what you call a sanity clause.”
Chico: “You can’t a fool a me there ain’t no sanity clause”

Groucho: You know I think you’re the most beautiful woman in the world?
Woman: Really?
Groucho: No, but I don’t mind lying if it gets me somewhere

About Margaret Dumont:
Groucho: Remember men, we’re fighting for this woman’s honor; which is probably more than she ever did.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 3:18 pm

And more from Groucho. Why do I like the sex jokes best?

A man’s only as old as the woman he feels

Anyone who says he can see through women is missing a lot

As soon as I get through with you, you’ll have a clear case for divorce and so will my wife

Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife.

I was married by a judge I should have asked for a jury
Here’s to our wives and girlfriends. May they never meet!

How do you feel about women’s rights ? I like either side of them

I chased a girl for two years only to discover that her tastes were exactly like mine: We were both crazy about girls.

I wish you’d keep my hands to yourself


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 3:44 pm

Pitt Dad, I had forgotten all about Gummo. Not sure I ever saw him in the movies.

Is there a Groucho sandwich at the Carnegie Deli?

Probably my favorite from Groucho was his response to a Beverly Hills Country Club invite … “I will not join any country club that would have me as a member”

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 3:45 pm

@wbb – he also said (supposedly about the swimming pool at another club), “My daughter is only half Jewish. Can she go in up to her waist?”

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 3:51 pm

No new post
Ok then here is a thought Dixon has offered a JC center for 2014 and he has offered a SG Kobe Eubank.

Now we have 3 commits for 2014 all ready and we can only take 4 for 2014 so what is the story is it the first one that says yes gets the spot.

Or is some one to be cut from the team i hate it
when some one is asked to leave.

The SG is a 3 star the center is 6 foot 9 and 240 pounds and moves really well which do we need more.

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 3:51 pm

frankcan, I wouldn’t know who he would send packing. All of the freshmen (both natural and redshirts) seem to be in Pitt’s future.

It may be Uchebo … you didn’t count Mostrella, did you?

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 4:08 pm

It’s taken me two hours to read all the comments since yesterday afternoon.

I am happy that all the commentators took Rodney Kings advise and have learned to live together.

I’m going to get my guitar & sing Kumbaya & Michael Rowed the boat ashore.

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 01.30.14 @ 4:12 pm

Wright / JR / Young / Artis / Newhirk / Jones / Uchebo / Jeter / Luther / Doorsen / Randall / DJ

that’s 12, who am I missing?

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 4:12 pm

more hippie music .. “C’mon people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now”

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 4:15 pm

After a brutal few days of work, I cannot thank pmdh2p enough for the Marx quips. Broke up laughing…thanks again.

Pitt in big trouble against UVA Sunday.

Comment by Dan 72 01.30.14 @ 4:25 pm

Everyone on 24/7 sports is predicting Eubanks picks Pitt.

Frankcan you are right the class without Eubanks is at the max 13 scholarships. Although Nwankwo could be graduating and going to med school since he’s currently in his 4th year in college, which would be Eubanks spot. Could Nwankwo go back to being a nonscholarship player? I guess if they get a JUCO C then they would ask Randall or Uchebo to move on. Not sure how you could ask Chris Jones to move on after he’s playing hurt this year. I guess there could always be a player or two who transfers too.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 4:31 pm

wbb, you are missing Nwankwo.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 4:32 pm

Nevermined, I misread Nwankwo’s bio… He’s on academic scholarship. So there are 4 spots for next year.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.30.14 @ 4:34 pm

When Groucho insulted a woman and she cried,

“Well I never!!”

Groucho- “Well your still young yet!”

Comment by Classof69 01.30.14 @ 4:34 pm

Friends, friends, friends, we will always be
Whether in fair or in dark stormy weather
Pitt Panthers will keep us together
The gold and blue, we will e’er be true
Love may forsake us till death separate us
We’re friends, friends, friends

Da da da da da mmm…….

The gold and blue, we will e’er be true
Love may forsake us till death separate us
We’re friends, friends, friends

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.30.14 @ 4:47 pm


A few more

I’ve had a perfectly wonderful evening But this wasn’t it

If you want to see a comic strip, you should see me in the shower

If I held you any closer I would be on the other side of you

I’ve known and respected your husband for many years, and what’s good enough for him is good enough for me

Marry me and I’ll never look at another horse!

Marriage is the chief cause of divorce

Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution?

Paying alimony is like feeding hay to a dead horse

Politics doesn’t make strange bedfellows, marriage does

She got her good looks from her father He’s a plastic surgeon

She’s afraid that if she leaves, she’ll become the life of the party

The husband who wants a happy marriage should learn to keep his mouth shut and his checkbook open

We took pictures of the native girls, but they weren’t developed. But we’re going back next year

Whoever called it necking was a poor judge of anatomy

Why was I with her? She reminds me of you In fact, she reminds me more of you than you do!

When discovered by his wife, kissing the maid, Groucho said I was just whispering in her mouth

Will you marry me? Do you have any money? Answer the second question first

Women should be obscene and not heard


Comment by pmdH2P 01.30.14 @ 5:06 pm

Wbb no mostrella is gone it must be who ever says yes gets the spot.
i do not see any one that could be asked to leave
my be some one is flunking out.

all i know for sure is they have 4 spots for 2014 and 3 commits.

so in my mind who ever says i am gone to pitt gets the 4th spot

if it were me i would take the center becuse we have a 4 star SG commit for 2015 and two 4 star SG for 2016.

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 5:07 pm

Tony Pilato OT 6 foot 7 296 pounds keep the name in your mind for next year 2015 we have offered all ready he will be a good one

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 5:25 pm

@Pitt Dad and pmdH2P, LOL

Good stuff!!

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 5:37 pm

Did you read the Trib’s article today on Pitt’s defensive failings causing the loss? By remarking at least twice that Dixon doesn’t like to talk about offense (at all), was the writer suggesting a flaw in Dixon’s approach?

For better or worse, we have Dixon for a while. I have never advocated for him to be let go, but I didn’t support a long contract extension on the heels of an unexpected defeat at the hands of Wichita State. There were others who felt the same way.

I would much rather watch run-and-fun hoops than the style Dixon plays.

So there really is no answer. Dixon has a good recruiting class (at least according to Doke)coming in. His style of play and compatibility with more talented recruits factor into his success.

I do not see him ever winning a national title. He’s a great coach for many Pitt fans. He will not be regarded as an elite coach.

So, please, Dixon lovers, don’t go crazy, or call me names, or have some Tea Bagger suggest I be banished.

When you follow Pitt football and basketball for just about half a century, as I have done, you gain objectivity as a defense mechanism. Two events I was not directly involved in dampened my rah-rah. The inexplicable loss to UCONN in 2007 by Wannstedt and Dixon blowing the game to (was it Xavier?)in what will probably be his last #1 seeded team until he actually progresses to the Final 4.

Pitt asks for support and begs for money as often as the homeless guy down the block from me, but turns around and refuses to open its books to investigative reporting, using the shield that, although it is state-related, it is a private institution.

No one in Pittsburgh is investigating Pitt athletics. Investigations aren’t always fault-finding; they can simply be information dissemination.

It would be good to know what Dixon’s recruiting budget is and whether or not he asks for more money every year, as he should. Is Pitt unable to get good shooters because Dixon’s system stifles them, or is it related to budgeting?

When he received his 10-year contract extension last year, he should have extracted guarantees to find his program at the highest level.

(FYI: I edit a website which investigates the nation’s seventh largest school district here in Houston. By extension, there is the potential for as much or more malfeasance at Pitt as there is in HISD. The domain of athletics, with as much money as passes through the department, needs regular scrutiny.)

And I agree with those who say this is the “Golden Age” of Pitt basketball.

Okay, now when you see my comment you can skip.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 5:39 pm

“fund” not “find”

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 5:43 pm

@TonyinHouston, personally I love your comments, and they’re always excellent.

I just feel that after one loss to Duke, a lot of people were going crazy.

Lose 3 or 4 out of the next 5, I’m right there with everyone.

I don’t know if Dixon can win a NC, but, I feel a lot better with Barry Rohrsen back and involved with recruiting.

If candy and nuts were buts??? Something like that, I’ve heard it lately, and frankly, I don’t care for it, but………..

we were one play away from the Final Four, and probably would have been favored to win it all.

WE DID NOT WIN, I know that. It does no one any good doing the woulda, shoulda, coulda, but, it can’t be dismissed.

We were as close to going to a Final Four as you could possibly get without going.

No satisfaction. Certainly not, but, again, I say that can’t be dismissed when talking about these things.

As far as knowing the budget, ya, I’d like to see that myself. Especially when donating money to the program.

I also did not agree with the 10yr extenstion, I don’t believe in that, for anyone in sports. Players to in the pro sports. That’s just plain silly.

Allthough, what does a contract really do anymore in college sports??

I also think that we have seen a slight change in his philosophy this year. I go back to a lot of the games before Duke, and we were looking pretty good.

More stats that don’t mean a hill of beans, but if someone says “you haven’t beaten anyone in the top 50″, then I have to answer back, that we lost to

Cincy by 1, Syracuse by really 2 or 3, and we got beat by Duke.

Horseshoes, I get it, we still lost. It would make a difference to me personally though, if you told me all 3 teams beat us by 25.

Again, I’ll be right with a lot of people with some criticisms if we go on a big losing streak.

We lost one game, to Duke, that was evenly contested for about 25 of the 40 minutes.

I’m not accepting defeat, I just need to see more before I get to mad.

Personally, again, I hope I didn’t say something about not reading your comments, I don’t think I did, maybe you were referencing someone else.

As a matter of fact, I think we have agreed on most things over the years??

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 5:57 pm

It may sound silly to some, but I really think Barry Rohrsen is huge.

No, he’s not paying me to say that.

You look at the recruiting lull, and the teams lull, and he’s gone.

Now he’s back, and the recruiting has skyrocketed again. We have some big time SG’s coming in, 2 or 3 at least, and according to FRANKCAN, maybe another.

I have no inside info, never met the man, but to the naked eye, he seems absolutely huge to the Pitt basketball program.


Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 6:02 pm

The question about who to credit for making Pitt-Miami a season finale (and it would be a great one if it’s done)is kind of like what has become a proverbial question about Pitt athletics: Who really got Pitt into the ACC? Nordenberg claims his side-kick did and used it as a reason to extend his contract by five years.

We know for a fact based on written reports that Nordenberg was the one – not Pederson – to reject ESPN’s 13-million dollar deal for the old Big East.

And we know Gene DeFilippo actually suggested Pitt for the ACC when UCONN was on the table for the invite (seems true because DeFilippo high-tailed it out of Boston College shortly after that).

Is Jerry Cochran really the guy calling the shots for Pitt sports and Pederson is his mouth dummy?

Without seeing communications, emails, etc., we only have Nordenberg’s word to go by.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 6:12 pm

Hank the Tank thanks are you the famous hank the tank .
or a outher hank the tank.
Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 2:10 pm

@ Frankcan — Nobody famous, just a big Henry Hynoski fan from his tenure at Pitt.

Comment by Hank the Tank 01.30.14 @ 6:14 pm

Dan: sentiments shared with you, and thank you. I appreciate the kudos and regard you as a level-headed, articulate, fellow blogger on this site.

It would be interesting to see the paper trail around the time of Dixon’s extension and Barry’s return. However he got back to the program, and Dixon deserves praise for bringing him back, it’s a huge plus.

I’m gauging this season’s success by the NCAA Tournament. If we exceed expectations there, or even meet them, I will gleefully proclaim how stupid I have been.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.30.14 @ 6:20 pm

Getting a coach better than Dixon left the barn when he rejected the Zona job and Miller took it. I doubt Pitt could get a better coach…I just hope Dixon does instill the changes he needs to improve the team…..AND thus recruiting.

As for Barry Rohrsen, yeah it was nice to get him, but Dixon should be wowing kids when he walks in the door himself by now.

Comment by Jackagain 01.30.14 @ 6:38 pm

@Tony and Jack, agreed.

Ya, the head coach should be the closer, I don’t know.

Yes, we’ll all be sitting on pins and needles in the first round game!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 01.30.14 @ 6:40 pm

Tony, honestly what so great about a Pitt – Um rivalry? They were a BE member just like VT, BC and Cuse, whom we played 59 straight years, our current longest streak. The pretty much dominated us, and there certainly no geographic implication.

As I said, after you put together all of the natural geographic rivals, only Pitt and Miami were left …. that’s it!

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 6:55 pm

Guys the sky isn’t falling. Pitt has a very good basketball team who, if you really think about it, are doing a heck of better than any of us thought they would. Coming into this season who would have expected them to be doing this well. Okay they got beat by Duke. The other 2 losses were extremely close and the Panthers should have beaten Syracuse at the Carrier Dome. Pitt was leading by 3 when what looked like a prefect jump shot by Talib Zanna rimmed out. That shot goes down and Pitt wins the game. Virginia comes to Pete on Sunday, let’s see how the Panthers play. Also Syracuse comes here as well.

Comment by Justinian 01.30.14 @ 7:05 pm

One last thing, Tony … if you think Miami considers Pitt to be a rival compared to FSU, UF and Va Tech (all who they have played for the past several years) …. you are out of your freakin mind!!

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 7:13 pm

There are a lot of urban legends out there about why Pitt was invited to join the ACC, and I’m happy to believe them all because thank you Jesus that is where we are.

As bad as things get for Pitt fans sometimes, just step back for a second and picture what our sorry asses would be discussing right now if we were…UConn or Cincy talking AAC football and hoops. That’s just bleak man, bleak.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.30.14 @ 7:19 pm

On the football side of things, College football signing day is next week. There are a couple of things to say about the number of stars given to recruits. In this Sunday’s Super Bowl 24 of the players were rated as 4 and 5 star prospects by the college rating sites. However 60 of the pro players in the Super Bowl were rated only as 2 and 3 star recruits. Most professional players that made into the highest level of play wern’t those that were highly regarded coming out of high school. So before anyone complains about Chryst and his staff offering a prospect early, maybe they should give them some credit. Sometimes you see guys in your camps who don’t come from strong high school programs.

Comment by Justinian 01.30.14 @ 7:21 pm

Never called Frankcan a loser…quite the contrary. What I was asking for is effort to get it right. It’s not that hard. There is no time limit to submit posts on this blog. This blog even tells you when you’ve made a mistake (red line) so it can be corrected. To call what Frankcan does a “style” or “typos” is like saying the Grand Canyon is a small defect in the Earth’s surface.

Do you guys think that if Chas used Frankcan’s “style” for his entries that anyone would read this blog? I doubt it. Be pissed at me if you want but it won’t change my opinion. Don’t you think that if Frankcan made an effort to get his point across in a more readable manner that it would be a better? Those that defend him just enable him. I know there are many who feel the way I do but choose not to express it on this blog. So fine, I’ll be the bad guy. I can take it, I’m a man, I’m 40.

Tony in Houston made one typo earlier on this thread and felt it necessary to post a correction four minutes later. That’s someone who cares about this blog, himself, and his point of view to get it right.

Is this too much to ask? It shouldn’t be.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.30.14 @ 7:51 pm

Jeff in CPa, I’m impressed……….I make a lot typos.

Comment by Justinian 01.30.14 @ 8:01 pm

Jeff are you from Cal, PA? Did you play baseball there growing up?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 8:36 pm

I don’t get the red underline when I make a mistake. I’m on a Vista computer and use chrome for internet connections. Any help with setting it up available?

wbb, the economy has not been too good for me since 2008. I’m living off my savings from when I ran my business. The dollar amount of my net worth increases every year. However, with the Feds printing between, what? $60B to $80B each month, the value of the money has gone down. (maybe 20-30% during the last five years). Have you paid attention to the % of return on CD’s during the last five years.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.30.14 @ 8:49 pm

What a game for the Lady Panthers at the Pete. Keisel drives with less than 10 seconds to play and hits the shot to give the Panthers a 67-65 lead. BC’s desperation shot misses to secure our first of many Lady Panther wins at the Pete in the ACC! Congrats Suzie and the entire team. Looked like a long nite early on in the first half. Cool to watch them on espn3! Hail to Pitt! UPone

Comment by UPone 01.30.14 @ 8:58 pm

Old Pitt grad, sorry to hear that. How was the return on CDs back in 09?

My point is only that my situation and my environment is greatly improved from 08-09 … not even close.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:11 pm

Cincy just beat Louisville at Louisville. Remember, how we thought we lost to a not-so-good team? Their win over us began a 13 game win streak, and don’t be surprised if they are in the Top 10 in near future.

Comment by wbb 01.30.14 @ 9:14 pm

Calling UPitt and all other Dixon bashers, Miller enthusiasts, schedule bashers, recruiting experts, and rankings enthusiasts.

Defending national champ Louisville just went down by 3 at home to a team (Cincy) that Pitt lost to by 1 on a neutral court. We all know LP missed two FT attempts that would have sealed at least OT in that game. Many bitter UofL fans surely calling for Pitino’s firing.

UofA, and all their superior Sean Miller recruits, beat “schedule fodder” Stanford by 3 on the road. Stanford missed a bunch of easy buckets down the stretch in the loss. Pitt, and all their sorry recruits, beat Stanford by 21 on a neutral court.

Perennial Big 10 doormat Penn State, who Pitt beat by 9 at home in a spirited rivalry contest, beat OSU (who only three weeks ago was ranked #3) on the road by 1.

Wisconsin, who was ranked #4 three weeks ago, were never really in a game at home last night with perennial Big 10 doormat Northwestern.

OSU surely on their way out of rankings and Wisconsin likely on the way.

It’s amazing that some are so self assured in what they “know”.

Comment by Barvo 01.30.14 @ 9:29 pm

Old Pitt Grad..see if you can add this program:

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Comment by Jackagain 01.30.14 @ 9:31 pm

jeff no one makes you read what i post if you dont like how i do it dont read it.

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 9:38 pm

Slice did a nice post game interview on the Trib here: Just slide it down to the 4th video.

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Comment by Jackagain 01.30.14 @ 9:56 pm

Cincy beat L-Ville tonite ! 69-66

That’s got to help our RPI a great deal.

Funny when we played Cincy, the media had them labeled as no good.

Same thing with Stanford… there a pattern here ?

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:10 pm

Wow, the thread is approaching 600 posts, you guys have been busy little bees today.

Is everyone unemployed or what ? lol

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:11 pm

Wbb and EMel if QB Freebeck flips on pitt for vandy we will have just one QB in this class.

This year there are 5 or 6 QB looking to transfer
some would have to sit out a year.
But 3 are graduate transfers i wonder if Chryst would even look at them.

Comment by Frankcan 01.30.14 @ 10:40 pm

That would be a good idea Frankie.

For if Chad gets hurt or something else, you wouldn’t have to solely rely on Trey.

We have a pretty easy schedule next year, we need to get at least 8 wins out of it.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:49 pm

I don’t get the red underline when I make a mistake. I’m on a Vista computer and use chrome for internet connections. Any help with setting it up available?
Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.30.14 @ 8:49 pm

I use chrome too, however I just noticed that both IE & Firefox have the redline spelling correction thing on them.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 10:52 pm

Barvo – We Pitt Fans have been saying Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda’s for 30 years. The fact is what happened happened. We didn’t beat Cincy, We didn’t beat Cuse and as you know Duke wasn’t close. On any given night things happen. UA is undefeated and played some tough teams on the road. Yes we killed Stanford but playing them at home when you are the #1 team in the land is a bit different.I’m done bitching about stuff. I’m a changed man. Didn’t you hear I’m having all the boys over for the final four here in Texas. Pitt is going to be in it so I will be ready.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.30.14 @ 11:09 pm

Still waiting on the courier t deliver the invite Upitt. There is not one person on here that supports the dismissal of Pederson as much as we do. Now, on just about everything else, we differ. The new Upitt is enjoyable, but now I need to find someone else to mock!!! Drats!

Freebeck might flip. Look, the grass is always greener where you water it. Chryst and company are nurturers in the process whilst others like franklin and grahams and urbans are slick salespeople that care not for their kids. They use em and spit em out with high regularity. Chryst doesn’t do that unless it is prior years troubles. He appears to be getting the kids that have upside and want to be at Pitt. If we could only have him recruit a fanbase that wants to support Pitt no matter what, we would be in business.

OSU scores a new president that not only supports athletics greatly (he is on ncaa committees for several things), he also promotes academics as a Dr. and Researcher. What a balance. You can have both and each plays off the success of the other, not hinders it. OSU AD just got promoted for performance (wins) and running a compliant program. Our guy is compliant, forget the rest. For some that is enough. Not for me. You can do both. A successful AD is not afraid to demand, yes demand more from the Administration.

I almost posted on the tarheel blog, but realized the players couldn’t read, so why bother!

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.30.14 @ 11:31 pm

wbb, not to worry, I’m not in bad shape. (financially) I have been retired for over 6+ years. Just don’t like the way the Country has gone.

It could be alot better without Obama.

That’s it no more politics!

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.30.14 @ 11:40 pm

Maybe we can have a reversal of things this year. Usually we win the games in January and start losing a couple in late Feb., which sometimes carries over into the Tourneys.

Perhaps this year, we lose some in January and don’t lose em in late Feb. and March.

Comment by Emel 01.30.14 @ 11:40 pm

jackagain, thanks. I added it already. Need to figure out how to use it.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.30.14 @ 11:42 pm

duffdaddy – You are in buddy!!!!!!

Here is where we are going for lunch first day.

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Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 12:00 am

What is the sudden appeal at Vandy for Freeback? I thought anybody good was bailing since Franklin left. Looks like Pitt will have alternate uniforms next year in fball–all gold. I remember the last time this was attempted, Louisville whipped us the season pitt started 5-1 and finished 1-5. Now the last time we wore the script I recall a better outcome in the game at least.

Comment by John 01.31.14 @ 6:27 am

Different perspective on Duke game. Duke was unsettled early on and we were on game except we blew bunnies & had other missed opportunities. We were up I think 7-2 should have been a 10-13 point lead, could have changed everything. The VA game is the indicator, the linchpin. Have to start strong, bounce back. One scenario: VA will like Duke focus on LP, even deny him. That creates opportunities for Zanna & Young. If they both hurt VA early VA Lamar might get some room. Key is Zanna & Young I think.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.31.14 @ 7:09 am

Fun facts:

Pitt WBB win last night vs BC (as reported by UPone above) was their first league at home in 3 seasons

4-star WR Adonis Jennings scheduled to visit today along with Wade Freebeck and others. Stay tuned.

If the Cuse wins tomorrow, then Pitt will get first crack at Cuse at home in a couple of weeks. They play at Duke a week or so later. (shouldn’t take anything for granted, but if Cuse wins tomorrow but loses at Pitt and Duke and Pitt wins the rest of their games, Pitt and Cuse finishes in first place tie (provided Cuse wins at UVa).

But again, it is futile to look ahead unless, of course, you write it in your ‘Fun Facts’ post

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 8:14 am

I’ve made share of typos….I dont get a red line.

ANyway…let’s hope that Freeback (the QB from FLORIDA) does not do a flip-flop during the next week. We need all of the QB depth that we can build….and get!


Comment by The TRUTH 01.31.14 @ 8:44 am

when I post from my work computer, I don’t get a red line, however, I do with my home laptop

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 8:51 am

wbb, not to get too personal on a sports blog, but when was your last colonoscopy? If your last one was clean, current guidelines are that you don’t need another for 10 years. Unless you’re high risk because of family history, etc, which may be the case. In any case, I’m all for prevention, but some docs ignore the evidence and push unnecessary screenings, which have their own risks.

Comment by Carmen 01.31.14 @ 8:58 am

What is with all the Sean Miller talk. If my memory is correct, he hasn’t won a NCAA championship or made it to the final four. Two years ago they were in the NIT. Give me a freaking break. It always goes back to bringing the Pittsburgh guy home to coach at Pitt, they are always better than what we have.

No one, I mean no one give a rats ass about who was in the elite eight or the final four or even the national championship game if you lose. Do you really think recruits remember that Butler was in the championship two years in a row? Hell no, but they remember who won.

Since Dixon took over Pitt in 2003, there have been 8 teams win the NCAA tournament. 8 freaking teams out of how many?

Don’t act like it is a travesty that Dixon has not won a championship. It is a once in a life time thing to even make the game. It took Boeheim 27 years to win a championship for God’s sake.

Jamie Dixon is a great coach. These are the glory days of Pitt basketball, enjoy them before they pass us all by!

Comment by notrocketscience 01.31.14 @ 9:00 am

carmen, it was back in 09 and it was clean. The one before that, however, I had non-cancerous polyps which I was told should be monitored. I also had a bladder tumor in 010 which was successfully removed, and thankfully, haven’t had a recurrence.

I have a dr appt in March and will discuss.

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 9:08 am

Yea old pitt the country would be a lot better without obama we could have another finicial collapse like we bid with Bush get a clue!

Comment by steve 01.31.14 @ 9:15 am

I’ve been told to get a colonoscopy every five years!!

Enough of this!! Get back to the Marx Brothers!!

Comment by Classof69 01.31.14 @ 9:18 am

Groucho: “My doctor told me to get a colonoscopy every 5 years, and I told him that sounded like a pretty shitty deal”

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 9:29 am

Steve – If you think us printing money we don’t have and the resurgence in the economy is because of Obama than I have some beach front property for you on the Monongahela.

After 3-4 days of the same post we are forced to talk colonoscopys, Groucho and Politics.. Haahah

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 9:50 am

I didn’t say Obama did anything right he is just not the epic failure GWB was….check market returns over the last few decades of GOP vs. Dem presidents astounding differences….As such I quess we need more brilliant investors out there like upitt and oldpitt so we can all go broke.

Comment by steve 01.31.14 @ 9:59 am

I am all for the public service announcements, I have had two friends and two family members die from colon cancer. It may be unpleasant, at least the prep, but get those colonoscopies. They may just save your life.

Hope the Zoo gets up on Sunday. They brought their A game for Duke. So much for home court advantage.

We need a victory.

Comment by gc 01.31.14 @ 10:06 am

FWIW, I am a political moderate .. mainly because I thought both sides have had their chances in this milennnium, and have proven to be pretty freakin clueless.

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 10:07 am

GC – I agree man. I’m just messing around. At 36 i will take all advice I can to get checkups, etc. time goes fast. I don’t trust either side wbb. Both have agendas and only care about themselves.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 10:10 am

Although I would love to join the political discourse, I thought the rule is this is not the place for it.

Comment by gc 01.31.14 @ 10:10 am

My GI doc says he thinks every 10 years is too long – things can get missed in the interim – and five years is better. I go more often because of family and personal history – and because I like the twilight anesthesia!

He can’t be saying it so he can do more procedures to make more money because there are already plenty of assholes in my town lining up to see him.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 10:10 am

Maybe we should get a colonoscopy every time the Panthers make the Elite 8.

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 10:14 am

Paul Chryst on Russell Wilson: “I’m the same [idiot] who told him he’d have to…compete for the starting job”

from a PG column by Sam Werner concerning Wilson’s being coached by PC at Wisc

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 10:25 am

Upitt…No, I am not from Cal, Pa. I was never a good baseball player, didn’t have the bat speed necessary to get it done at the plate. I’m a lefty and tried my hand at pitching but didn’t have the control needed. I felt horrible plunking people so that didn’t work out either. I played softball with some buddies after college in the Harrisburg area but that’s about it.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.31.14 @ 10:28 am

Think we can get to 1000 comments before the next main article?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 10:39 am

Just to get off the subject of colonoscopies.

UVA has like no star player, don’t know if that is good or bad. Top kid avg’s 11.6 ppg.

They do play like 3 guard types and 2 forwards, but the one stiff is 6’11” and doesn’t score much, like 8 ppg. (although he had 14 against ND)

They have two other forwards that play a lot and they’re both 6’8″ and one is Turner Gill’s son, if you remember him, he played for the Charlotte Hornets and Illinois in college.

Their guards are big though, and the leading scores, being 6’5″ & 6’6″. They shoot it pretty good from 3, those two around 40%. Being as tall as they are, can shoot over most guards. And the one guard is also their 2nd leading rebounder.

They go about 7-8 deep.

The other forward

Comment by Emel 01.31.14 @ 10:44 am

Supposedly said by Groucho:

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Sir Ernest Benn:

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 10:47 am

Has anyone seen a spread on Sunday’s game?


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 10:48 am

It will be interesting to see if they put one of the 6’8″ inch kids on Lamar as Duke did.

But they also zone and we could have problems getting perimeter shots with those big guards.

Virginia has played 5 teams in the Top 50 and is 3-2.

This is going to be a tough game. Oy Vey !

Comment by Emel 01.31.14 @ 10:56 am

“I don’t know if you have noticed but our two party system is a bowl of shit looking in the mirror at itself.”

Stocks go up :-) Health insurance costs through the freaking roof :-(

We can’t win.

Comment by notrocketscience 01.31.14 @ 11:00 am

Jeff – We are close to the same age. Figured if so we probably played against each other. Have a buddy that plays softball in Palmyra. Haha

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 11:03 am

Rumor has it, Vanderbilt paid an “IN-HOME” visit to the Freebeck household Thursday.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.31.14 @ 11:04 am

Emel, thanks for the insight on UVa … but I thought Turner Gill played QB at Nebraska

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 11:08 am

lol wbb….I meant Kendall Gill….got my Gill’s confused.

Comment by Emel 01.31.14 @ 11:09 am

Turner Gill… 4th and Goal against the Hurricanes. One of the All-Time Great Moments in College Football.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.31.14 @ 11:11 am

Kendall Gill… Nick Anderson… The “FLYIN’ ILLINI.”

Comment by PittofDreams 01.31.14 @ 11:14 am

Whole new meaning to the ‘Happy Meal’

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Comment by Emel 01.31.14 @ 11:26 am

This one is better it has pics.

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Comment by Emel 01.31.14 @ 11:28 am

Did they include the fruit?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 11:37 am

Nice article on the difficulty of evaluating recruits on SB Nation. Says that offensive lineman is the hardest to evaluate. Chryst’s ability there could be huge for Pitt.
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Comment by Caw Miller 01.31.14 @ 11:38 am

The BEGINNING OF THE END of College Football and Basketball as we know it.

Time for the NFL and NBA to start FORKING OUT some of their riches to fund O & O Developmental Leagues.

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Comment by PittofDreams 01.31.14 @ 11:39 am

A lot better without Obama, you mean like how the country was a lot better under Bush when the country went from surpluses to huge deficits by the time he was done? Politics is stupid to argue about though especially on a Pitt blog.

I personally can’t wait for Sunday, so Pitt basketball can get the Duke loss out of their minds. Pitt was plenty angry after losing to the Cuse, I can only imagine how angry they will be after not having a game for almost a week after that Duke loss.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.31.14 @ 11:41 am

$10 Trillion to $17 Trillion in debt. (approaching $18 Trillion)

From 2008 to the current.

Politics is stupid to argue about since they’re ALL crooks of varying degrees.

Comment by Emel 01.31.14 @ 11:46 am

Caw Miller… interesting take on recruiting.

Chryst should score HIGH here given the fact that he and Hueber are obviously pretty good on luring Highly Rated O-Linemen and also developing QBs.

As for Cornerbacks… I think the best way to approach this is by simply going after the BEST Receivers who also show themselves pretty well when it comes to playing Defense. It’s a way of minimizing risk.

A lot of Coaches probably use this approach to some degree.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.31.14 @ 11:54 am

I think I posted 500 comments ago that VA hit 12 of their first 15 shots against ND. We have to really get on them quick.

Comment by Frank 01.31.14 @ 12:33 pm

Emel – I could make stuff look better if I had a machine that prints money all day long and I hand it out. That and an Obama phone. Ok, I’m done I promise. I personally think Bush and Obama are both crooked and they are probably part of the same higher level club. Let’s be honest here. Whoever is in power is there bc the money puts them there. The banks still run this country.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 12:35 pm

Oh, and there was an Aaron Donald mention in the article on SB Nation mentioned above.

Comment by Caw Miller 01.31.14 @ 12:38 pm

I thought the Harris kid from UVA was a preseason all ACC pick.

Anthony Gill (Kendall Gill’s son) was a freshman starter for South Carolina before transferring to UVA.

I love PITT being in the ACC. Almost every game is on TV. When in Big East, most of the games where on ESPN3 (I’m talking about my upstate So.Carolina area. For yinz guys, it possibly the exact opposite.)

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 01.31.14 @ 12:42 pm

The most unrecognized secret to success in Football is the interior lines. I think HCPC is on his way to building those lines up and over this coming season and next we will see the results. If your lines don’t do what they need to do, then your entire offense and defense will suffer.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.31.14 @ 12:48 pm

Anyone see a spread on the game?


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 1:03 pm


Virginia at No. 18 Pitt, 12:30 p.m. ET, ESPNU: Virginia quietly has climbed the ACC standings. The Cavaliers are 7-1 and second behind Syracuse. Their only ACC loss came against Duke. They’re ranked third in adjusted defensive efficiency, per Ken Pomeroy, and their seven conference wins have all been by 12 points or more. But Tony Bennett’s squad is still missing a true signature victory. Virginia will have a chance to change that when it faces Pitt, a team that’s coming off a 15-point loss to Duke earlier this week. Duke did a great job of limiting Lamar Patterson’s early touches and making sure that he didn’t have any easy looks. Patterson, No. 6 in Ken Pomeroy’s individual offensive ratings, went 4-for-14 in that game. Losing Durand Johnson to injury a few weeks ago changed Jamie Dixon’s offensive capabilities. That puts more pressure on Patterson, Cameron Wright and Talib Zanna. But they can handle it.

Prediction: Pitt 60, Virginia 57

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 1:06 pm


Who was the announcer who always did the Rose Bowl and he loved the O linemen? Fondly referred to them as the “big and uglies.” He knew that the game was based on what they could and could not do.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 1:09 pm

@pmdH2P – Keith Jackson

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 1:11 pm

PittofDreams, I thought the formula was the wide receivers with the worst hands are switched to CBs

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 1:29 pm

Thanks, Pitt Dad. He was (maybe “is” applies) a great announcer. Was fun to listen to and knew the game.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 1:34 pm

I was thinking the other day who the best 5 white basketball players at Pitt would be. I came up with Miller, (Maybe that Canadian levon??) and williards boy was pretty good but hell that’s all I can remember.

My favorite player turned friend is still Troutman. I loved his play on the court.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 1:35 pm

@ Frankcan, where is this report of Wade Freebeck wavering on his verbal to Pitt coming from? And/or the interest that he supposedly has in Vanderbilt? Links please.

BTW, I had lunch with a friend of mine who is a proctologist just other day. He was complaining about looking at the same part of the human anatomy for 30 years, kind of burnt out, you know. thought back to my college days when I was deciding between a career in dentistry or going to med school for proctogology. Now I’m glad that I picked dentistry, since I still find the profession interesting and not at all boring. Guess if your destined to look in the same dark hole of a person’s anatomy for the rest of your professional life, the variety of having 32 teeth to break up the monotony must have worked out OK for me.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.31.14 @ 2:12 pm

UpittBB, you would start with Don Hennon (unless you’re only dealing with the later day players.) Brian Generalovich (who was drafted by the Steelers) would also be a consideration. Hennon played in late 50s/1960 and Generalovich played mid 60s.

Micky Martin was key forward on that great 74 team. Then I would go with Sean Miller, the European kid who took his shoes off in his last game vs Marquette (forgot his name) and Kendall.

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 2:17 pm

Dr Tom is back. You have an invite to join a bunch of us at Upitt’s for the Final Four, assuming that our boys are playing.

The Wade F story has been around. He did a visit to Vandy within the last week or two or three. Is due at Pitt this weekend, if I recall correctly.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 2:26 pm

Don’t forget Jason Maile and Tom Richards, 2 very good shooting guards who would help out our current team very much. And Tom’s son Jason is one of our assistant coaches today.

Comment by rayhpgh 01.31.14 @ 2:41 pm

Levon Kendall maybe?

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.31.14 @ 2:43 pm

Aaron Gray with Darren Morningstar coming off the bench.

Comment by Jeff in CPa 01.31.14 @ 2:49 pm

How could I forget Gray …. and doesn’t Jason Maile have a scoring record? Didn’t he score 42 pts one night or something?

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 2:54 pm

@pmdH2P, didn’t know that I had left, although I’ve been busy this week tieing up the final arrangements to purchase a home in Savannah, GA so I haven’t posted since the Duke loss, I guess.

I must have missed something this week though. UPittbaseball has a Final Four event planned? He has mentioned that he was a Texan, but is he right in the Dallas Fort Worth area? I like theconcept and the positive energy but even being the eternal optimist that I am, concerning Pitt athletics, you ain’t going to see me running right out to reserve my plane ticket for Dallas just yet. But if UPitt is genuine in his plans, IF and thats a big “IF”, Pitt gets into the Final Four it would probably be a pretty good time getting the characters in this Pitt Blather group together for a meet and greet for a couple days.

Considering how deep into the Tourney Pitt has taken it in the past, a Final Four Pitt event could be a once in a lifetime event for many of us Blatherites, since half of the bunch that post on here are older than dirt, me included! LOL!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.31.14 @ 2:58 pm

Jason Maile could drop 3’s from anywhere on the court!

Comment by JJ 01.31.14 @ 3:04 pm

Dr Tom, the year Pitt had Blair and Young, the Final 4 was in New Orleans, and I have a cousin living there — I was all set.

I stayed with him for the 1st Stiller Super Bowl in Jan 1975.

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 3:05 pm

DR Tom, that was actually back in 03 with Brandon Knight when the won BE title, but lost to Marquette (not 09) come to think of it

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 3:09 pm

Joey “Sonar” David anyone.

Comment by alcofan 01.31.14 @ 3:12 pm

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wasn’t at this game but remember watching it on TV

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 3:12 pm

Maile was good and so Gray needs considered sure. The old guys I didn’t know but I like it. I would like to add Troutman. I think he was mixed. I remember the name Morningstar. Doc – It’s official. I think we are going to the final four! I live 25 mins from Arlington. North Ft. Worth.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 3:22 pm

Ironaically, Brandon Knight on The Fan just now and talked about Donatas Zavakas. He said it was unforunate that people may just remember him as the guy who took his shoes off. Knight said that Zavakas started 4 years and played hard both in the game and at practice … and he often had to guard the best big man.

Thinks he was one of the most underappreciated players at Pitt

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 3:38 pm

Wbb, Brandon Knight has a good point. I look at Knight being the heart and soul of that team. There are always guys set picks, take charges, rebound, and defend, that are a big part of any successful team.

Comment by Justinian 01.31.14 @ 3:50 pm

Saw Darren Morningstar’s daughter playing BB for
North Allegheny High last week. She’s pretty good!

Comment by Classof69 01.31.14 @ 3:51 pm

@Dr Tom

Savannah? Sure, we will all come and visit you, too.

Well, you missed meeting the new Upitt. He has turned the corner and is now determined to be less negative. So, who is to say that miracles don’t happen. Final Four here we come.

Oh, and he has our lunch spot picked out. You need to duck if the waitress turns fast or you might get knocked out—knocked being the appropriate word in this case.


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 4:01 pm


In case the good Doctor missed our lunch spot.
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Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 4:04 pm

WTF has gotten into you UPittbaseball???? “I think we are going to the final four”! You uttering such proclamations has me thinking that is Red Bull spiked Pitt Koolaid that your drinking!

I don’t know how you escaped from the Dark Side but may the force be with you. Consider me in,”IF” the Panthers somehow show up in their formal gowns and glass slippers for the big dance in the Final for at Dallas.

But lets take care of business on Sunday against Virginia first, Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.31.14 @ 4:09 pm

Holy $hit, Twin Peaks ads make Hooters look kind lame all of a sudden. Love the sweetie with the axe. She definitely looks like the type that would know what to do with some “wood” if presented to her. LOL!

I’m in for sure now! Great incentive to root Pittsburgh forward in the Tourney all the way to the Final Four!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.31.14 @ 4:18 pm

LOL – I agree. She has an axe to grind with the Doc!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 4:27 pm

Also may have something that sounds like “axe” to grind with him.

H2P & H2TwinPeaks

Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 4:36 pm

Assuming we beat UVa (which I am hoping is an easy assumption), is it better for us for Duke to lose to or beat the Cuse? If Duke wins, we would potentially play a one loss Syracuse and if we beat them, the three of us would each have two conference losses. If Duke loses and we beat Cuse, they might end up with only one loss but we might be the only two loss team in the conference.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 4:36 pm

This assumes, of course, that all three of us take care of business the rest of the way.

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 4:37 pm

Can I have the one with the basketball?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 4:38 pm

Pitt Dad has a reservation for 2!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 4:54 pm

Two what? :-)


Comment by pmdH2P 01.31.14 @ 5:09 pm

“well, according to the state of New York, you are the ASS-MAN”!!

Comment by Dan 01.31.14 @ 5:13 pm

We’ve moved from the Marx Brothers to Seinfeld?

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 5:27 pm

“Some people would consider a canoe ride romantic.”
“Guess you didn’t see ‘Deliverance’.”

“Don’t you tell me to be quiet! I have a mind of my own you know! I can contribute! I’m not just some… trophy wife!”
“You’re a trophy wife? What contest in hell did I win?”

Comment by Pitt Dad 01.31.14 @ 5:31 pm

I don’t much care who wins the Super Bowl, but it might be some good pub for Chryst if Seattle wins…

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Comment by Jackagain 01.31.14 @ 5:39 pm

Congrats to Panther All-American Don Hennon for being named to the 2014 ACC Legends class that will be honored in Greensboro during the upcoming MBB Tourney! More kudos to defer on Panther grappler Tyler Wilps for being named ACC Wrestler of the Week! His major decision gave us the momentum to wip the #13 Cavs last week. Tyler can you show up @ the Pete on Sunday for a little MBB karma? Right after you and your team put a hurting on Cheat Lake Community College Saturday! GO PITT! Ok to call out LP for the missed free throws vs. Cinnci, as long as we recall TZ did the same moments before. UPone

Comment by UPone 01.31.14 @ 8:22 pm

I remember Pitt’s all gold unis at the crap end of the 2006 season. I know people get tired of hearing about the script, but for God’s sake, we’ve worn some pretty unappealing unis with the block Pitt. White uniforms? Did I miss something back in the 50s and 60s? Is it tradition for Pitt to wear all white?

wbb: I would agree with you that Miami probably doesn’t consider Pitt a rival. However, how to explain the skin-dance by UM players in the blustery cold of Heinz Field before this year’s kick-off? The ‘Canes seemed intent on making a statement.

I think you would agree, wbb, that Pitt must become competitive in this game. The outcome of Pitt-Miami is just another barometer measuring the success of Pitt football.

Keep in mind, wbb, that Boston College really wanted Miami as their season closer and didn’t get it. We might.

The national media loves the Appalachian Trail Panthers vs. South Beach wanna-be thugs.

Lastly, Miami has played a role in some of Pitt’s biggest seasons. In 1963, the Pitt-Miami game was supposed to be the finale, that is before Kennedy was shot.

Beating Miami in 1970 helped DePasqua make his best run, 5-1, before going the route of Hackett’s 1991 squad and Wanntedt’s 2006.

Johnny Majors II played a couple of close games against the ‘Canes in the mid-nineties, losing 17-16 at Pitt Stadium and by a TD in Little Havanna. Imagine if he had managed to win one or both of those games…

Of course, the best, and in my opinion most famous, Pitt-Miami game was staged in 1997 when Pitt upset the ‘Canes in a very early homecoming game at Pitt Stadium. The students stormed the field and tore down the goal posts (something not allowed in the rent-a-stadium downtown) when Harris got a huge 21-17 win over probabtion-sacked Miami.

The only thing holding back Pitt-Miami from becoming a big rivalry game is Pitt. Maybe with Chryst we will finally man-up and compete.

Miami has a Top Ten (or Top Five) class coming in. We are…what? 43?….we have our work cut out for us.

Comment by TonyinHouston 01.31.14 @ 8:35 pm

Tony, once again, if you look at the schedule, virtually every team in the ACC is playing an in-state rival the last week of the season except for BC and Cuse, which are only a couple hours from each on I-95. That leaves Pitt and UM.

Yes, we have had a handful of close games over the past half century … so what? Quit trying to make something out of nothing. And unless Pitt can start playing competitive games, it will remain nothing

Comment by wbb 01.31.14 @ 9:30 pm

Lack of rivalry game hurts, really thought we could get Syracuse thst really only complaint about ACC football.

Comment by John 01.31.14 @ 11:36 pm

Freebeck and Family are excited about playing in the SEC vs. ACC per reports.

“I was fully committed to Pittsburgh, so I wasn’t entertaining other schools, but when [Vanderbilt] came it was different,”

Who knows what will happen.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.31.14 @ 11:46 pm

well, all I know for sure is that if he flips to Vandy, on this site he will go from 4-star (ESPN) to 2-star (

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 7:26 am

I don’t like any of the one color football uniforms. I especially dislike the all white. What I like to see are the home Pitt, blue jersey with gold pants, and the away white jersey with either the gold or blue pants. The special game uniforms, that Nike and others are pushing, are pretty lame. The school’s colors and uniforms are part of their identity.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 8:08 am

If SP can pull off scheduling UM the last game of every season, he deserves high praise. That will give us the chance to develop a rivalry game in the ACC with a team that we can all really HATE!

Comment by HbgFrank 02.01.14 @ 8:12 am

Pitt needs to bounce back with a win on Sunday against Virginia. It’s a big game and it’s good that the game is at the Pete. Hopefully the Panthers will bring their “A” game.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 8:52 am

Article about flipping that includes Freebeck:

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Comment by Iron Duke 02.01.14 @ 10:04 am

And nice Trib article about WPIAL recruiting. Also a note about Freebeck at the end. If Pitt loses him, it won’t be for lack of effort on Chryst’s part.

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Comment by Iron Duke 02.01.14 @ 10:13 am

No line yet on the Pitt/UVA game. I make it Pitt by 1.5

Someone mentioned it earlier. The NCAA tourney success is dictated by matchups. If Pitt draws Creighton in the first round, they are in deep trouble…if they draw Robert Morris…not so much.

Comment by Dan 72 02.01.14 @ 10:18 am

Didn’t get a chance to chime in:

Aaron Gray – Center
Mickey Martin – Forward
Charley Hyatt – Forward (3 time All American and Naismith Hall of Fame inductee and National Player of the Year)
Don Hennon – Guard
Brian Generalovich – Guard

Kent Scott – 6th Man

Comment by Emel 02.01.14 @ 10:22 am

Nice article about Artis in the Post. He needs to work on his defense.Plays were set up for him when he made the threes. They know he can shoot.

Young the better rebounder and defender, which is pretty obvious.

Artis knows what he needs to do to get on the floor more. Let’s hope he does it.

Artis mentioned that while they key on Patterson, he should be open.

I feel fairly vindicated, thank you Paul Zeise.

They do read Pitt Blather.

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 10:25 am

@ Dan72

You’ll be happy to know Joe Lunardi moved us OUT of the bracket where we would have been playiing Creighton in the 2nd round.

Now he has us playing Cincinnati in the 2nd Round. lol

But at least the game would be in Raleigh so I could attend !

Comment by Emel 02.01.14 @ 10:30 am

For all the badmouthing of the ACC, Lunardi has 6 ACC teams ….Dancing.

Pac-12 7
Big 12 6
Big Ten 6
American 5
Big East 4
Atlantic 10 4
Mountain West 2
West Coast 2

Comment by Emel 02.01.14 @ 10:33 am

That is a nice Trib article, Chryst takes a shot at Franklin. He is in FL getting pictures with Freebeck. My guess is Vandy is telling him he will play as a freshman.

Picture of Henry with his mom. Real smart decision to go to WVU. May never be heard of again.

Positive words about Terry Smith, he relates well with the kids, I know this is true. He will be a formidable competitor. ( where are you Spirit, no hard feelings, we are all going to the Final Four with UPitt) LOL Great Lunch at Twin Peaks, I loved the TV show.

Time to get FIRED UP for tomorrow.

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 10:41 am

HBGFrank, just like Tony77019, you’re missing the point about the UM-PItt match-up.

– first off, SP didn’t pursue it, the ACC did …

– on the final week, every other ACC team is matched-up with an in-state rival (whether intra- or inter-conference) except for BC and Cuse, which are only 2 hours apart.

That leaves UM-Pitt BY DEFAULT. Whether this ends up as a rival remains to be seen …. but I bet if you ask a Cane fan, FSU, UF and Va Tech would be the first 3 teams he would name as a rival with Pitt farther down the list

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 10:44 am

actually I meant to write 4 hours apart which is still closer than Pgh to Syr. Nonetheless, we have a current rival in the ACC it would be Cuse, since we have now played them 59 straight years, by far the longest current streak

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 10:50 am

PITT-Thug U….won’t be any rivalry until we start winning, more than once every 2 decades. haha

Which means we better start recruiting the South for some speed. Especially on defense.

Comment by Emel 02.01.14 @ 10:59 am

Many of Groucho’s lines were written by Morrie Ryskind, GF Kaufman, Sheekman and Nat Perrin, although his inherent wit was equal to their combined wit. Groucho’s delivery was still is the best I’ve ever heard; every wise guy line was delivered as if spontaneous. Many of his greatest lines were actually tested in front of live audiences before they were filmed. Groucho and his brothers were beyond witty & clever, they were downright brilliant. Best insight is the “Groucho Letters”, especially his correspondence with TS Eliot.

Comment by Old School Panther 02.01.14 @ 12:05 pm

Who the hell Franklin? Is he the guy who keeps telling us how great he’s going to do? In my experience, the people who have to keep telling everyone how good they are, usually aren’t that good. Right he’s working with house money, because O’Brien recruited this class. Oh excuse me, this fircely loyal guy, stole a few of the players from his former team, Vanderbilt.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 12:18 pm

@PittDad, ya, with all the proctology talk goin’ on, it made me think of that episode.

“it was a million to one shot Doc, a million to one!!”

Comment by Dan 02.01.14 @ 12:34 pm

@Justinian, lol!! Ya, “fiercyly loyal”.

If he was “fiercly loyal”, he’d still be coaching Vanderbilt right now!!

I guess some could say, “kind of loyal” if it makes them feel better, but “fiercly loyal”???


Comment by Dan 02.01.14 @ 12:36 pm

@justinian…. right on! I a reeeal curious to see 1 yr from now and see how happy, happy valley real is… I say this turns into the soup opera…

Freebeck can watch Chyrst’s college QB play in the super bowl and then make his decision Monday. If he goes Vandy the good luck to the kid and move on… just like Henry its a bad choice logically but its their life so be it.

UV is a huge came.

Losing to a good Syracuse team at their home is expected. Losing to a good Duke team at our home is unacceptable. So now it comes down to UV….

WIN, and we continue to get charged up with the, unexpected, growing expectations for this team.

LOSE, and we are back thinking about this team as we were in the pre-season… unranked, middle of the pack ACC team.


Comment by Pittscript 02.01.14 @ 12:39 pm

Couldn’t have said it better Pittscript, that’s why I was telling a few of the people to come back off the ledge.

Duke was one game.

Now, we lose to UVA., and suddenly we’re wondering if we can beat Miami, on the road?

Get a big win tomorrow, and the positivity starts to flow again.

Comment by Dan 02.01.14 @ 12:47 pm

Today’s games that can help Pitt’s RPI/seeding:

Maryland over Virginia Tech (Terps should win on the road)

North Carolina State over North Carolina (Not Likely)

Lehigh over Boston University (In Beantown, not likely)

Texas Tech over TCU (TTU should get a win at home)

Clemson over Florida State (Not likely)

Duquesne over La Salle (Not likely)

Howard over North Carolina Central (Not likely)

Miami (Fla.) over Norfolk State (Miami gets a tune-up game, against a MEAC team, before facing the Panthers)

Stanford over Arizona State (Stanford should win at home)

Savannah State over Bethune-Cookman (Savannah St. may get a road win)

Loyola Marymount over Pepperdine (At Pepperdine, may be close)

Syracuse over Duke (This space intentionally left blank)

Albany over Vermont (Albany at home, should be close)

Cal Poly over California Irvine (Cal Poly at home, will be close)

Comment by xfmrman 02.01.14 @ 1:01 pm

xfmrman, pretty good research, but still the main game is Pitt over UVa tomorrow. As important as RPI may be, there is no use racking your brain if the team doesn’t do its part.

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 1:11 pm


I agree that Pitt must win it’s games, but it is fun to look at the others games as well. I am a fan of the sport, as a whole.

Comment by xfmrman 02.01.14 @ 1:34 pm


This is what Morrie Ryskind had to say about Groucho in the liner notes to “An Evening with Groucho” (which was recorded at a concert I attended):

George Kaufman and I wrote a lot of funny lines for Groucho, some of which he occasionally used… but it was Groucho who by his innate sense of timing and his inimitable delivery, added the ingredient that brought the house down.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.01.14 @ 1:48 pm


thanks for taking the time to do that research.

One of the things that I appreciate here is that several of you guys really take the time to find the data and the breaking skinny.

Comment by Pittscript 02.01.14 @ 2:19 pm

xfmrman, you are obviously a big CBB fan, that cannot be disputed.

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 2:34 pm

on another topic … it is Junior Day at the Pete tomorrow for PC and staff with a confirmed list of 30 or so. I do not have the list.

According to a Dokish tweet, HCPC was at Aliquippa on Thursday to talk to their FB staff … this is good news. It appears that the staff is much more proactive this year than last .. as many of us on this site had hoped for.

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 2:40 pm

Pitt Dad: Want a superlative treat? Finally, after lawsuits & estate settlements Groucho as Ko Ko in the incredible G&S Mikado is available on CD. I watched original with my dad in mid 50’s, waited a long time to see it again. Melinda is one of the maidens. A Treasure.

Comment by Old School Panther 02.01.14 @ 4:46 pm

more ranked teams going down: Wisc, Ok St, Mich St, Memphis and quite possibly Kansas

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 5:32 pm

@OSP – I had heard about that. I will look for it. Thanks!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.01.14 @ 5:58 pm

Dan, “Somewhat loyal
” might be a better choice. In Franklin’s press conference the term he used to describe himself was as “a fiercely loyal guy.”
I would also question that statement because:

1. He did leave Vanderbilt despite being under contract.

2. He took players from Vanderbilt with him to Penn State, that he had recruited for Vanderbilt.

3. I would imagine he is planning to “Somewhat” dominate Pennsylvania

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 6:49 pm

Vegas line just out has Pitt favored by 4

Comment by Dan 72 02.01.14 @ 6:55 pm

Two heavyweights on the court right now. It’s early but I don’t think Syracuse will score with Duke. Those threes are killers.

Watching with the sound turned off. Guess who?

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 6:59 pm

Good 1st half in the Duke-Syracuse game with Syracuse leading by 3. Never thought I would be rooting for the Orange. I think the “I Bleed Orange” t-shirts worn by the Syracuse fans are great.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 7:30 pm

Syracuse playing very well they are scoring and Duke missing a lot of threes.

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 7:51 pm

So my wife comes in, says “why do you have the sound turned off?” I turn it on, she says “who is this jerk announcing he is giving me a head ache” No lie, the sound is back off.

Syracuse getting some home cooking, couldn’t happen to a nicer team. Great game though, real thoroughbreds.

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 8:15 pm

The Orange flopping nicely.

Comment by tvax1 02.01.14 @ 8:34 pm

Classof69, Meg Morningstar is a good BB player, but is going to Notre Dame to play volleyball. She is in my son’s class at North Allegheny (She’s still a junior). BTW I was the one who talked to Darren and told him to get her playing VB when she was in middle school. I told him he can make a contribution to my IRA since I just saved him a butt load of $ for tuition. We both were hoping she would choose Pitt but she fell in love with the Golden Dome while she was out here visiting.

Comment by Annie 02.01.14 @ 8:37 pm

Hmmmn, not over yet.

Comment by tvax1 02.01.14 @ 8:39 pm

Out there visiting

Comment by Annie 02.01.14 @ 8:41 pm

Those frickin threes.

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 8:41 pm

Ok, off topic… I am at a volleyball tournament at Pedo U. They have a “no bag” policy so all we can take into the building is a gallon zip lock bag. Can’t take chairs in. They have no concession stand, NO CHAIRS, and if they catch you with a bag that doesn’t have a tag on it then they can fine you. I am way too old to be sitting on a gym floor for more than 7 hours while his happens. There is no place close by you can grab something to eat and be back within the hour. Just another reason to hate PSU, alhought I didn’t need oneanyway.

Comment by Annie 02.01.14 @ 8:47 pm

Sorry for the typos- hard to edit on a tablet!

Comment by Annie 02.01.14 @ 8:50 pm

Annie, first of all, this thread has had every possible topic and is going strong so there is no “off topic” and second, you don’t need to apologize for typos here except for one retentive poster. LOL

Comment by tvax1 02.01.14 @ 8:55 pm

What a great Cuse – Duke game…

Comment by Jackagain 02.01.14 @ 9:00 pm

And the retentive is not me nor Frankcan. But I WOULD LIKE AN EDIT OPTION AFTER THE POSTS GO UP.

Comment by tvax1 02.01.14 @ 9:03 pm

Awesome game, can’t wait for tomorrow. Breakfast at the Pete. Hope Jamie has their heads on straight.

Comment by gc 02.01.14 @ 9:03 pm

It’s almost impossible to read this thread with how long it’s gotten.

The more Cinci wins more annoying loss that becomes. Pitt had that game. Missed 4 free throws in last minute and still just needed to get that last stop to win. Would look great on resume now.

With Pitt win tomorrow ACC becomes basically 3 team conference.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.01.14 @ 9:05 pm

Maybe the best regular season basketball game I have ever seen. Duke was gutty and Cuse was talented. Duke 15-37 from 3 point land. Cuse 4-5.

Pitt will have to go a ways to beat either of these NCAA Giants. I don’t care. I need Pitt to play more games like the one they played against Cuse…maybe the best Pitt effort in 4 years.

Remember, we want to peak in March…not early February. I will be rooting hard for us to beat a very good UVA team tomorrow but win or lose, we need the experience playing tough games.

And GC, I had to turn the sound off so many times my wife could hear the ice in my scotch glass rattling. Dickie V thinks he is bigger than the game. What a disgrace his rants are…H2P

Comment by Dan 72 02.01.14 @ 9:06 pm

Any help on how to scroll down faster after posting using a tablet and Ezplorer browser?

Its a real pita on BIG threads like this one.

Comment by tvax1 02.01.14 @ 9:06 pm

OK, I use Explorer, not Ezplorer.


Comment by tvax1 02.01.14 @ 9:10 pm

I am watching the 92 Pirates-Braves National League play-off game. It’s on “The Greatest Games of All Time” with Bob Costas. They have Andy Van Slyke and Mike LaVallier of the Pirates and Sid Bream of the Braves talking about the game.
Oh my gosh, Jose Lind just made the error in the 9th inning. The sad PART IS that Stan Belinda threw strike 3 down the middle of the plate into Lavallier glove and umpire called it a ball.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 9:47 pm

Justinian, I had to attend my girlfriend’s birthday party that night at a fancy pizza parlor(stone oven – her choice) with no TV even though there was a small bar. Listened to the top of the 9th on the radio on the way home, and turned the TV on just as the bottom of the 9th began.

Not sure if that was more disappointing than the bottom of the 9th at Cincy in the 72 playoffs though when Prates lost on a wild pitch.

Comment by wbb 02.01.14 @ 9:55 pm

OK Jusrinian….I won’t tell ya how it ends…

Comment by Jackagain 02.01.14 @ 9:55 pm

So…. great Cuse/Duke game. As it stands now, if we take care of business against UVa tomorrow, Cuse is first, we’re second and everyone in the ACC is behind us.


Comment by Pitt Dad 02.01.14 @ 10:09 pm

Dan, we were in the game with Cuse until the final minute…If Duke shoots the same 3 pt percentage as they did today, we would have been in that game until the end….We are not as talented as Duke or Cuse, but we are only one hot shooting guard away from both of them.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.01.14 @ 10:12 pm

Zeise wrote a good article covering Pitt hoops in his blog. He covers some players and stuff, but he also breaks down the NC schedule….I didn’t know it was that bad…

“So to break down Pitt’s nonconference schedule, the Panthers played only five teams in the top 150 and played 8 teams outside the top 150.

That’s an awful schedule and frankly, all of the criticism Pitt has taken this year for a poor nonconference schedule has been well deserved.

Looking at some other teams:

Syracuse played 7 teams in the top 100

Duke played 6 teams in the top 100

Arizona played 9 of 13 in the top 150, 5 in the Top 100

Michigan played five in the Top 50 alone

Kentucky played five in the Top 50, a total of 9 in the Top 100

Again, I could go on and on but here is the bottom line, everybody plays some patsies but Pitt didn’t way too many of them and frankly put together one of the weakest nonconference schedules of the top teams in the country.

I know there are some reasons for SOME of this but the bottom line is Pitt has to do better than this. And here is another thought – imagine if West Virginia (No. 80) didn’t back out of the Jimmy V Classic and get replaced by Cincinnati.

Pitt is an NCAA Tournament team and I suppose that is all that matters, but the bottom line is that the Panthers aren’t in the Big East any longer and right now they can’t rely on a huge RPI boost from the ACC schedule (like they used to get from the Big East) to help mask their nonconference schedule.”

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Comment by Jackagain 02.01.14 @ 10:45 pm

wbb, I remember both games well. The 1972 Pirate team might have been the very Pirate team ever. But the Pirates had just won the World Series in 71. The loss to the Braves in 92 was to me the devastating loss is Pittsburgh sports history. I remember that it seemed as though the entire city was in a funk the week following the loss. Then after the curse of Zoltan, the Pirates didn’t have a winning season for 20 years.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 10:45 pm

Jacksagain, thanks for the PCG link. Paul Zeise does nice job with it. I agree with his comments about the loss of Durand Johnson affecting Pitt both in the Syracuse and Duke games.

Comment by Justinian 02.01.14 @ 11:02 pm

Arizona down 1 to unranked Cal at the half

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.01.14 @ 11:41 pm

Let’s go Pitt! Beat the Hoos. Hopefully, we’ll have another thread for tomorrow.

Comment by Vonteego's Way 02.01.14 @ 11:50 pm

@Vonteego’s Way – we’re trying to get to 1000 comments before the next thread starts.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 12:04 am

Both of my sons are happy(Syracuse grads). I’m happy too. Refs helped, of course, my guys didn’t see it that way. We need to make a statment tomorrow. Remember Bennet is a good coach. I think we got Sundays game! Don’t know what the point spread is.

For the SB, got to root for Seattle, my wife’s a Washington State girl. She met Zohn, the QB at the time, during a fall camp at her college in eastern Wa. when my boys were young. He as well as the whole team were kind to the boys and my wife. They have been a third or so favorite since.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 02.02.14 @ 12:22 am

Unranked Cal beat Arizona 60-58. Cuse will be #1 on Monday.

@OPG – didn’t see the whole Cuse-Duke game. How did the refs help?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 12:41 am

Are you referring to the block/non-call at the end?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 12:47 am

Or that Fair travelled before he got fouled at the end of OT?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 12:48 am

I’m glad to see this thread has finally surpassed 750 posts. I think we can get to 1000.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 02.02.14 @ 12:59 am

It appears that we may be facing a team today that is disciplined and will hold the ball a la ND in the past few years and Cincy earlier this year. The good thing is that there was plenty of time to prepare, but there is nothing like actually playing against a talented team like that.

IMO this is a very important game. Lose this and self-doubt begins to pervade throughout the players and the program.

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 7:47 am

Here is an informative update about Pitt and the local schools concerning the upcoming LOI day. Freebeck did come in this weekend, and Franklin and Smith is trying to flip Montae Nicholsen but apparently unsuccessful
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Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 8:16 am

Very nice article in this morning Post-Gazette about Nordy rebuilding Pitt athletics.

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Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 8:18 am

Perhaps Chas should look into migrating to a PHPBB bulletin board system for the Pitt Blather. PHPBB is easy to install and maintain. It also allows one to setup subject threads. Google PHPBB. I maintain this bulletin board for my high school. Best of all, it’s free.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 8:21 am

Another article, this one in the Trib about college football signing day and keeping recruits in the fold.

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Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 8:23 am

Even if Pitt loses today, you know what they won’t have done this season? Lost to a team currently outside of the RPI Top 50. Guess which previously undefeated team did do that last night?

Comment by Barvo 02.02.14 @ 8:31 am

Today’s games that can help Pitt’s RPI/seeding:

Penn State over Purdue (The Nits should get their 3rd conference win)

Cincinnati over South Florida (USF will not win in Cincy)

Pitt over UVA (Although UVA is a better team than Clemson, there are many similarities with them. Each team has excellent defensive stats, but are not the most efficient offenses. UVA is a bigger threat from 3, though. Pitt is coming off of a loss to the best offense team in the country. Pitt will not lose 2 in a row at home. I do not expect a close game)

Comment by xfmrman 02.02.14 @ 8:31 am

I’m more excited about today’s ACC basketball game with Virginia than I am about the Super Bowl. It’s a big game for the Panthers and the Pete should be rocking this afternoon. Paul Chryst has 30 football recruits in this weekend including quarterback Freebeck that will be at the Virginia game today. It should be a great game and a lot of fun for the recruits.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 8:39 am

7th ranked, 10-1 Panthers wrestling team storm into morganhole and take no prisoners! 33-6 PITT! Way to go men! Great start to a big weekend! Hail to PITT Wrestling! UPone

Comment by UPone 02.02.14 @ 8:54 am

If any of want to be amused this morning click on the link below. Cardiac Hill reports that Mark May called out Todd Graham, after hearing from two ESPN reporters that Graham was lobbing like heck for the Texas job.

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Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 8:55 am

I always liked Mark May……….now I like him even more. Way to go Mark. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 8:59 am

“I’m more excited about today’s ACC basketball game with Virginia than I am about the Super Bowl.”

And well you and we all should be Justinian.

I could care less about Super Bowl whatever. Only reason I’ll see it is we are going to a SB party and it will be on and some ppl will actually be discussing it.

NFL is a shell of it’s former self. Just like the NBA.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 9:06 am

xmfrm, good points, wish I shared your view about a (not so close) Pitt win but certainly hope you are correct

Justinian, I think most of us are more excited about the Pitt – UV game. In fact, if the game turns out to be a dud, I’m watching Shameless at 9 pm …. which wouldn’t be the first time I turned off the SB

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:10 am

actually, Fraud would probably have been a more popular choice in Texas than Charlie Strong since he (Fraud) is a native son.

But I think it says something that the new AD, who came from ASU, apparently did not seriously consider Graham for the UT job

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:14 am

Lots of ranked teams went down last nite, so if we can ‘hold service’ we might actually move up or maintain our #18 ranking.

They will attempt to ‘slow it down’ and we should attempt to ‘speed things up’.

Don’t want this to become a halfcourt snail game, as they are very good at that.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 9:14 am

… ‘especially’ since Fraud is a native son (but not the only reason)

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:16 am

UVa nearly beat Duke at Cameron Indoor by keeping the game in the 60s … something that Pitt or Cuse was unable to do. Did you notice Boeheim’s post-game comments about Duke scoring in the 80s (he definitely didn’t want it)

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:20 am

This game is huge and could be a real turning point in the season. A big downward turn is likely if we lose, the schedule looks immensely more difficult.

A win puts us back in second place and confidence heading to Miami with Syracuse on the horizon.

We need very badly to beat a top 50 team.

With Stanford and Clemson being our best wins we aren’t fooling anyone. Pundits are waiting to say see I told you so.

Who could have predicted a game vs. VA would be so meaningful.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 9:28 am

I’ll check back after the game. Looking forward to the “game thread”.
I hope we can all enjoy the game.

Comment by xfmrman 02.02.14 @ 9:42 am

I think we had someone named Ditka play forward for a while in the very late ’50’s–wonder whatever happened to him?; a very nice guard named Dave Roman played guard during my ’60-’64 years; and Tim Gurgrich made the key play against Purdue, and Olympian Terry Dischinger! Timmy was an outstanding assistant coach in the NBA for a number of years!

Comment by Stan Schweiger 02.02.14 @ 9:53 am

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