February 2, 2014

Open Thread: Virginia-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 9:49 am

Hello, again. Offline world completely overwhelmed everything else this week. Hate to go to blaming the weather, but it was the major reason. Kids off for 3 days because of the weather. Wife in a fender-bender. Constantly moving, shifting and adjusting the work schedule to make everything work.

And now, after a Saturday when a drizzly, gray day was welcomed gratefully simply because it wasn’t bitterly cold and piling up more snow; it’s been snowing all morning. So after this post, it’s outside for shoveling.

Pitt’s had all week to stew over the Duke game. Now comes the Virginia team that is playing a lot like the Virginia team that was predicted to be a top ACC team and preseason top-25 team. They destroyed ND in South Bend — UVa had the Irish down 24 points with 7 minutes left before easing up to make it “only” a 15-point loss. Aside from their 4-point road loss to Duke, they have beaten all ACC opponents by at least 12 points.

Like Pitt, they are looking for quality wins. While they played a good non-con, they came away without any wins in those good games.

They have a stout defense and play at a deliberately slow pace. They value offensive efficiency. It all seems very familiar.

I’m not saying I expect this to be a slog of a game. I am saying that both teams will be keying on defense. Pitt, after the Duke game, will be trying to clean up a lot of their breakdowns. Practices were probably all about defense this past week.

Jamel Artis, by the way impresses me even more with his ability to handle criticism. He’s an older freshman and it shows in how he responded to not getting more playing time because he is struggling with the defensive aspects.

“I have to pick it up on defense so I can help my team out more,” Artis said. “If I can’t play defense, then there is no reason for me to be out on the floor. Most of that is just, I am too hyped. I need to focus on being in the gaps, help my teammates out. That’s basically it.

“I need to help more. I am physically able to guard anybody but it is more mental. I need to know where to be and know the offensive player [he is defending].”

Artis said he is trying to work through some of his struggles on defense and feels like he is getting better, but it is clearly a big jump for him to learn how to defend from the high school game to the college game.

He said the help defense, knowing rotations and understanding his assignments, are the areas he is working to improve. But he knows he is big enough to defend players in the post and athletic enough to defend players on the wing, so it is just a matter of time before he takes a big step forward as a defender.

“Coach Dixon said I am getting there, I know I am getting there,” Artis said. “I just have to keep playing hard every game and keep making sure that I improve at practice every day. I feel like I am learning and the more I learn, the more confidence I gain in my abilities.”

And of course more work is needed on his rebounding.

Not much for predictions, but I am going to say that Virginia-Pitt will score more points than Clemson-FSU yesterday.

glad to see you back, I was beginning to worry especially since you have tweeted since the 28th.

I see a game in the low 50s but hope it is more

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:54 am

I would hope Jamie would apply some back court pressure…maybe a 3/4 court trap to keep the game moving and not let UVA “Notre Dame” Pitt.

Go get em Panthers!!

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 10:11 am

wbb, This Pitt team is very good ofensivly and they have the ability to score. I don’t expect to see the same level of athleticism from the Virginia team as we saw from Duke. Yes, I’m concerned about the game, but I like this Pitt team a lot. I love our freshmen class with Young, Artis and Newkirk. My only concern is adjusting to the loss of Durand Johnson in the big games. Artis has stepped up ofensively, but Johnson gave them another 3 point option and his length have would helped defensively. Who knows, that could have made a big difference against Syracuse.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 10:16 am

Headed to The Pete now. This is a big one. H2P

Comment by Iron Duke 02.02.14 @ 10:33 am

See you at the Pete

Let’s Go Pitt!

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 10:56 am

Pitt is a 4-pt favorite today. Would love to see them notch a double-digit win over a very sound Virginia squad. After the defensive breakdowns against Duke, I’m sure we’ll see a very different Pitt team on the defensive end. What I don’t want to see is them lose their aggressiveness on offense when it comes to pushing the tempo and getting to the rim. So yes, get back to the fundamentals on defense as long as the players understand they don’t need to take a step back on offense at the same time. Don’t get me wrong, the win is ultimately the most important thing today, and if it has to come ugly then so be it. Just saying in a perfect world Pitt gets the W, looks better on D and the offense keeps rolling. It’s asking a lot but this Panthers’ squad is certainly capable of it.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 02.02.14 @ 10:57 am

ACC standings show how important this game is to Pitt.

Comment by Frank 02.02.14 @ 11:17 am

This is a HUGE game for us…not a lot of opportunities to get good wins on the schedule..cmon panthers!!

Comment by Keith 02.02.14 @ 11:21 am

Artis is definitely the kind of kid that blossoms under Dixon. Like Lamar has. The aspects of D he needs to learn takes hard work & desire; at least he knows what he needs to do. That’s step 1.

We can’t have a chronic weakness or it will be exploited by the talented teams, we have to have a solid defensive game and out rebound VA. Have to hurt them when they trap. Agree about fresh, all 3 have to contribute. Newkirk could be huge today, if the bigs can seal lanes for him.


Comment by Old School Panther 02.02.14 @ 11:48 am

I saw that Randall was in the starting lineup. Zanna a hurt?

Comment by gdodson 02.02.14 @ 11:53 am

Sorry about the last post. The scoreboard just changed to show Zanna starting.

Comment by gdodson 02.02.14 @ 11:57 am

Pitt will easily cover today. Mark it down. Team has to be beyond ready to play.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.02.14 @ 12:06 pm

The line for today’s game is:

PITT – 4.5

The O/U is 123

Gentlemen, place your bets, they are at the gate !

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 12:27 pm

Btw I like the OVER !

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 12:29 pm

Pitt look’s rusty.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 12:37 pm

The foul on Wright should have been on the offensive guy for pushing off and how could Zanna get poked in the eye without a foul call?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 12:39 pm

Also missed 3 sec call on VA last bucket

Comment by Old School Panther 02.02.14 @ 12:44 pm

Cold and sloppy!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.02.14 @ 12:47 pm

Just tuned in. Did we hit somebody in the face?

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 12:49 pm

Defense and rebounding are bad. Gonna be a half court game if we don’t rebound.

Comment by cas myzlinski 02.02.14 @ 12:49 pm

what’s with all these turnaround jumpshots by Pitt

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 12:51 pm

Pitt, too much time off.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 12:53 pm

zanna gets poked in the eye, no foul,

the uva kid gets poked in the mouth, foul..

Emel doesn’t like this

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 12:53 pm

UVa is getting away with a lot that’s not called. They are getting a ton of offensive rebounds but it looks like they are getting away with some tie-ups underneath.

I smell a Jamie Dixon technical foul at some point in this game.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 12:54 pm

Emel-I say we Allan Ray em’ all!

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 12:55 pm

Uchebo time. Hope ZAnna is fine.

Comment by Mailman 02.02.14 @ 12:58 pm

this game is Cincinnati ugly.

Uchebo in for Z

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:00 pm

Clear to me we’re going to have to best the officials today also and right now I don’t know where our offense is coming from

Comment by Old School Panther 02.02.14 @ 1:02 pm

What’s the over/under on when Jamie gets T’d up?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 1:03 pm

Not seeing the game. Is Lamar missing good open shots or just trying to do it all whether open or not? His stats are bad.

Comment by TVax 02.02.14 @ 1:03 pm

Pitt playing small now. Young in at the 5. And they they had to push Young to keep him from getting the rebound!

Comment by Howard 02.02.14 @ 1:03 pm

Artis and Young on the glass!!!

Comment by Howard 02.02.14 @ 1:04 pm

Pitt does not do well against teams that play good defense…I won’t be shocked if we lose today

Comment by Keith 02.02.14 @ 1:04 pm

This game stinks!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.02.14 @ 1:06 pm

too many easy drives to the hoop if UVA could shoot this would be real ugly

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:11 pm

missing bunnies again

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 1:12 pm

@Tvax…Lamar is on the bench atm

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:12 pm

Zanna bumped underneath – no call

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 1:17 pm

haha….unbelievable we’re ahead…

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:17 pm

Zanna looks like his ankle is still gimpy.

Comment by Howard 02.02.14 @ 1:18 pm

Yes, it is an ugly game. I think we reflect on what is going on and we finish these guys late. At least I hope so.

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 1:19 pm

these wahoo’s are more physical than us underneath, JD needs to get these guys to box out better, be tougher in the 2nd

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:20 pm

both teams are identical at 9 of 24 FG’s 37.5%

we have one more 3 and 2 more FT’s = difference

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:23 pm

er 1 more FT

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:23 pm

This game looks more like a football score at the half

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.02.14 @ 1:24 pm

This game is the kind that Pitt typically loses. It’s a knife fight. Let’s get up on them 5+ points and make it a gun fight!

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 1:30 pm

TVax…you can see the game here:

link to

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 1:30 pm

Pitt rebounding got better as the first half went on.

Comment by Howard 02.02.14 @ 1:33 pm

right Dan72

And gotta make the freebies at the line !

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:33 pm

contact underneath on that last bucket and no call

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 1:41 pm

Young playing like a sophomore today.

Comment by Howard 02.02.14 @ 1:42 pm

Patterson can’t buy a basket

Comment by markp 02.02.14 @ 1:46 pm

gotta make ft’s to win this one!!!

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 1:48 pm

No foul call underneath on Artis’s shot either. This just sucks.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 1:52 pm

be nice if JR came back for the ball

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:53 pm

Pitt is playing like dogshit…right into UVA’s hands. Again, we simply cannot score enough points to beat this team.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 1:54 pm

Get tough, Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 1:54 pm

be nice if he could shoot too ! lol

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 1:56 pm

Cam Wright has alot of fans on here but really struggles offensively.

Comment by cas myzlinski 02.02.14 @ 1:57 pm

And they call that foul????? WTF????

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 1:58 pm

they’re all struggling today…meh

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:00 pm

This is a freebie. Take Denver -2.5 and under 48. Denver 27 Seattle 20. This Joe Harris kid needs to be stopped. He is warming up.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:02 pm


Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:04 pm

It’s up the young guys now…

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:05 pm

The opera crowd must have all had a good brunch….no need to cheer,

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:05 pm

Harris is killing whoever is guarding him Jamie should go zone

Comment by Steve h 02.02.14 @ 2:06 pm

Patterson with four fouls. Things look bad. But Artis just came up with an excellent drive and a chance for the and one to tie the score.

Comment by Howard 02.02.14 @ 2:07 pm

Zone please

Comment by Steve h 02.02.14 @ 2:08 pm

And they call that foul???? Can we ever get a break in our own house?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:08 pm

UVA has some stud white guys.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:08 pm

Highlight of his life shot lol.

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 2:09 pm

hahahahahaha,,,,cam with the line drive bank 3

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:09 pm

FU refs

Comment by Old School Panther 02.02.14 @ 2:10 pm

these refs suck

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:12 pm

Refs will hit LP with 5th

Comment by Old School Panther 02.02.14 @ 2:13 pm

Lets go Panthers. Final Four bound. Somebody tell slice the vest under the suit hasnt been in style since 1998.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:13 pm

Hit your FT’s, man!

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 2:14 pm

Emel. We should start a foul shooting academy. Make Millions.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:14 pm

This is maddening!

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:15 pm

They can’t stop anybody from driving to the hoop gotta go zone

Comment by Steve h 02.02.14 @ 2:15 pm

Robinson was fouled there…

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:16 pm

boy is this horrible…

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:17 pm

How many more games are we going to lose on FT shooting before we get some outside help??

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:17 pm

A defensive slugfest.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 2:17 pm

upitt..ft shooting is just a matter of concentration, girls are very good at it because of that,

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:18 pm

Is Robinson the best PG we can get? He cant shoot at all. As a PG i know he is focused on dishing the ball but there is zero threat of him making shots. Tell me we have a 2014 recruit pg coming in.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:18 pm

Is Patterson going to be able to come off the bench cold and finish this game?

Comment by Steve h 02.02.14 @ 2:18 pm

10 of 17 from the line. Being outrebounded by 3. Shooting 34%. And being jobbed by the refs. What a game.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:19 pm

Emel. Well we should start an academy on concentration.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:19 pm

Have to start making the freebies.

Comment by Mailman 02.02.14 @ 2:20 pm

This game could be easily be won at the FT line…we need to buckle down.

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:20 pm

Missed FT’s missed layups, incredibly poor rotation on defense with weak side help.
What a mess but still a 1 point game

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:21 pm

too many times with last second shot

Comment by markp 02.02.14 @ 2:22 pm

just about the score of the Cincy debacle

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:23 pm

is it impossible for us to get into a set with more than 8 seconds on the shot clock?

Comment by ECH 02.02.14 @ 2:23 pm

Patterson 3-14 for the game. Glad Jamie got him up for this one. He and Zanna are the magic disappearing act again today. That we are within 1 point is a miracle. UVA really wants this one.

Pitt handing it to them.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:23 pm

Why was Artis on the bench?

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 2:25 pm

Is Robinson serious????????

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:26 pm

Utter chaos on offense as Pitt throws away possesion after possesion…and the last one after a TO. Seems everyone is afraid to shoot.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:27 pm

man anytime he goes into the lane…he has no way to finish

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:27 pm

Who WANTS to make the shot? The confidence on this team is inexistent.

Comment by ECH 02.02.14 @ 2:28 pm

I shouldn’t have eaten at halftime. Where is the Tums at?

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 2:29 pm

too much pressure to use the clock before one shoots

Comment by markp 02.02.14 @ 2:30 pm

Patterson should be given the ball. Let him shoot anything…anything.

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 2:30 pm

Work it down low to Chad Varga

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:30 pm

they drew up a play for JR to shoot….lmao

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:31 pm

another missed bunny

Comment by markp 02.02.14 @ 2:31 pm

Pitt simply getting out played on the boards 9 seconds left….another missed layup and boards to UVA. They deserve to win this game.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:32 pm

Vargas. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:32 pm

We deserved to lose that game.

Comment by ECH 02.02.14 @ 2:32 pm

Wow. Unreal.

Comment by Mailman 02.02.14 @ 2:32 pm

no pressure on the guy bringing the ball up the court..when holding him up for 2-3 seconds WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:33 pm

Pitt deserves this loss. They were outplayed and outcoached in every facit of the game. What an embarrassement on national TV and how many times have we said that over the years! Disgusting.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 2:33 pm

Pitt had 2 chances there and Slim left town…looking like a 9 seed right about now…

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:33 pm

Dixon is this seriously the best you can do? Team flat today and everyone looks scared to play. He is way to rigid. Makes me nervous watching him. He should drink before the game.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:34 pm

Patterson afraid to shoot, Zanna is a pussy. This team is what we thought it was in October. Middle of the pack.

Comment by cas myzlinski 02.02.14 @ 2:34 pm

Just ugly. This was a bad week for Pitt Basketball.

Comment by Panthoor 02.02.14 @ 2:34 pm

11 of 19 from the FT line. No excuse. Ugly ugly loss.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:34 pm

Pitt loses another close game. in other words another Epic Fail.


Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:35 pm


Comment by TVax 02.02.14 @ 2:35 pm

Note to Jamie…recruit scorers please…

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:35 pm

Blame it on the upperclassmen and that especially includes Robinson. Too bad they don’t have the balls the freshmen have.

If it weren’t for the frosh, we lose by 10

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 2:35 pm

Shot 32% from the field. Missed 8 free throws. Out rebounded.

Make no mistake. That game was not a fluke. That loss was EARNED on both ends of the court.

Comment by ECH 02.02.14 @ 2:36 pm

How about JR on the 35 sec violation. SHOOT IT FROM 3’!!!!!!!!

Comment by TVax 02.02.14 @ 2:36 pm

4 good teams, 4 losses

Comment by Antiguafor200Alex 02.02.14 @ 2:36 pm

I don’t know who the UVA coach is but those kids looked like they were having fun and he just lets them play. They looked carefree.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:36 pm

we are now 0-4 against the Top 50, these guys are making me look bad, for all the lobbying I did to get them ranked.

One and done in the Dance (based on the last 3 games)

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:36 pm

I thought for about 5 minutes straight that Virginia was awarded a foul every time they went the hoop but in the end Pitt lost because they couldn’t get a good look. Was the GP to run the clock to nothing and force a shot? Terrible

Comment by Mike 02.02.14 @ 2:37 pm

Tony Bennett…but it was more us handing the game to them than anything Bennett did.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:37 pm

Quality effort from Robinson and an injured Zanna. Combined 1-8 from the floor and 1-5 from the line. 3 total points. Add in Lamar, 4 – 22 from three of our starters.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 02.02.14 @ 2:38 pm

4 games under 50 pts – 1 win 3 losses
5 games under 70 pts – 1 win 4 losses

This can still be a good season but have to stop this trend right now.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:39 pm

Emel. I agree. Just think he doesn’t restrict those kids. They are having fun and just playing. Can he sing as well?

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 2:39 pm

on offense tough to play 4 against 5…for all the accolades these announcers give JR every game, today we heard he was only not a great ACC defender but one of the best in the Country…..he gives you absolutely nothing on offense. Plus that Joe Harris burned him..

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:40 pm

I am not going to let this ruin my day. It’s 2:39 pm. I am going outside and enjoying the warm weather before the next snow. I might even grill something. I hope Dixon has practice tonight and teaches his kids how to shoot layups and free throws.

Comment by Yeti 02.02.14 @ 2:40 pm

No hustle on Pitt’s part today. UVA moved to the hoop better and as usual no pressure on the guy coming down the court on final winning shot. Nightmare of Villanova game still haunts Pitt.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 2:40 pm

Paterson needs to find his game again. Bad home loss. UVA got blown out by a crappy Tennessee team.

Comment by Pittastic 02.02.14 @ 2:41 pm

oh i agree upitt….i can see the players tuning JD out more and more as the season goes on….as he’s just yelling and screaming too much.

That’s what happens,,you eventually just tune ppl out.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:42 pm

Guess we’re going to be unranked next week.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:42 pm

Scorers don’t come to pitt. Pitt as a team is soft to the hoop. Artist is gonna be good. Having a pure scorer has been Pitts weakness for years. A legit go to guy. But they are hard to come by

Comment by Taylor 02.02.14 @ 2:45 pm

If this is the team we have going forward, does it matter if we’re in the Dance and where we are seeded? Durand gave this team a spark, some juice, some life. Without him, we revert to the same old Pitt.

We are known nationwide as choke artists in big situations, lacking badasses or real shooters who can will us to victory, or as a team which is simply too tight, following the lead of our very competent but flawed head coach.

I wonder if this will EVER change.

Comment by BATR 02.02.14 @ 2:45 pm

BTW….we need to apologize to Gorman over at the Trib…no way this team should be ranked the rest of the year.

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:46 pm

Jamie made them miss 8 FTs? Really?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:47 pm

This is what pisses me off so much about that alleged great assist-to-turnover ratio from JR. It doesn’t mean a thing when it counts … he cannot create, and in fact, he is the main reason we have so many rushed shot at the buzzer. Young bailed him out in in the 1st half, which incidentally was his 1st assist — what a joke!

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 2:47 pm

Jamie needs to lose his aggressive shouting attitude and get his players to play more aggressively. Too many times Pitt waited too long to get a shot off even when they had shots earlier in the 35 second clock. Why pass up a shot?

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 2:48 pm

Tough, tough loss. The Panthers have a wide open 3 point shot and miss. They get the rebound under the hoop and miss again. With only 9 seconds left on the clock, I didn’t like letting Virginia dribble the ball up the court without any pressure. They were allowed to bring it up uncontested and they got the open 3. This was very difficult loss, to lose such a big game at home in the very last seconds.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 2:48 pm

LP went 3 for 14 because of Jamie? Really?!?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:49 pm

Zanna had 3 shots all game, 3 rebounds none on the offensive glass and missed his only 2 FTs because of Jamie???

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 2:50 pm

We don’t deserve to be ranked.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 2:50 pm

totally agree Justinian. I was shocked when their guy went up the court totally unchecked.

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 2:51 pm

:-( all that time it took us to finally get ranked….OUT in 2 weeks.

Our home court dominance at the Zoo didn’t last to long in the ACC. Refs were just horrible, thought we were on the road.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:52 pm

JR is weak on offense and barely OK at defense if he’s defending a stiff….what he is great at is ball handling/assists and running the floor. He’s usually very good at FT’s, but not today.

This team is embarrassing the home court…

I don’t think Pitt will be one-and-done, but they could be. I suspect they’ll get a 8 seed, maybe a 7 and win a close 1st game, then get destroyed in game 2. Zero chance at the Sweet 16.

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 2:53 pm

Yea I mentioned that Justinian….even token ball pressure on their guard at the end,,,,would have maybe used up 2-3 secs….

I just don’t understand why we never use any ball pressure in that situation…in fact I don’t recall us EVER doing that at anytime in the last 11 years.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:54 pm

depends on the matchup of course Jackagain…but they usually go a good job of matching us up with someone who is a matchup problem.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:56 pm

don’t think he’s a great ballhandler…picks up his dribble way too often…20 feet from the Top of Key. cuts down on the turnovers…since he never challenges the defender.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 2:58 pm

You need more from the PG than to just be a “field general”.

The spinning moves, into three guys, to heave up an off balance shot, as you’re going to the floor??? What is that??

Did Patterson go pro?? Haven’t seen him the past few games.

Please don’t tell me “he’s being guarded now”.
BS, I see lots of games during the week and on weekends where the top player is “guarded” and “double teamed”, and they still mangage to score and take over. As a matter of fact, that’s what makes a great player.

Also, please don’t tell me “he’s doing other things”. We don’t him to be doing other things, we need him to do ONE thing.

Very disappointing.

Comment by Dan 02.02.14 @ 2:59 pm

Not interested at all for the game at Miami next.

Imagine the players aren’t either.

Comment by Dan 02.02.14 @ 3:00 pm

Here’s a losing formula

Pitt shoots 32% FG and 58% FT

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:00 pm

BATR, Yes, Durand Johnson was a spark and lift when he came into games. Unfortunately he’s out for the season and considering the rehab, I don’t know how much of next year, he’ll miss. Artis is doing really well. Too bad he just didn’t go straight up, when he rebounded Robinson’s missed shot. It’s unfortunate that they’re in the position the Pitt freshmen need to be seniors.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 3:00 pm

@ Dan…

Lamar is being asked to do too much..imo…

It’s like we wind the clock down on offense,,,and give it to Lamar with 8 seconds with…and hope he can do something.

Artis made two 3’s and 11 points total(leading scorer)…he should encouraged to shoot if open…not discouraged.

Young made a 3 and had 8 points. Both those guys are better at shooting 3’s than either JR & Cam (bank shot nonwithstanding)

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:03 pm

we will do better next year cause even Jamie Dick-son will realize that the people you rely in close games are the ones with real raw talent …. Young, Artis and Newkirk … and maybe they will feel more free to take charge

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 3:05 pm

Emel, Yes if you make Virginia zig-zag and make a few passes to get the ball accoss mid court, they may use up at 5 or 6 seconds and could be forced to rush a shot. It bothers me that we didn’t pressure the ball.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 3:08 pm

Our seniors should be leaders, not today. Lets move on an hope Pitt plays with more emotion and hustle.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.02.14 @ 3:09 pm

Yep Justinian…seems like a simple thing to do.
IN that situation I always find myself screaming at the TV screen….pressure the ball. My GF thinks I’m nuts !

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:10 pm

Almost an exact repeat of the Cincy game. They won on a last second shot as well.

I sincerely hope we don’t get matched up against teams like them in the Dance.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:12 pm

I thought the officiating was horrid. In the second half every time Virginia drove to the basket there was a foul but not for Pitt when they drove. What about home court advantage? Also why cant Pitt finish the 2 – 3 foot shots at the rim. I bet they missed over 10 all game. I hate ACC officials.

Comment by Rex 02.02.14 @ 3:13 pm

Emel: Teams like them in the Dance? You mean teams that actually look to shoot at crunch time? :))

Comment by ECH 02.02.14 @ 3:16 pm

Telling stat, Chris Jones in 10 minutes of play had more rebounds (4) than Z with 29 minutes (3).

Z had no offensive rebounds at all even though we shot 32% and missed 32 shots.

Miami gave Cuse a good game 49-44 in a ‘grinder’ earlier this year. We better be careful before this possibly ‘spins’ out of control.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:17 pm

Take a breath everyone … Pitt has 4 losses – to now-highly ranked team on a 14 game winning streak and to the 3 teams above them in the ACC standings. 4th place. It’s not the end of the world.

Although the defensive attention on Patterson and Zanna has been bothersome, Virginia is only the best defensive team in the country.

Comment by KeyboardKev 02.02.14 @ 3:19 pm

I had a bad feeling about this game…expressed on here…earlier in the week….because we beat them in football. (don’t know why other than that)

@ Kev…this was just another team/game we could have won and didn’t. That is what is really frustrating. If you just get beat like we did by Duke, because they have better players, I can accept that. We you lose to a team like Va. who doesn’t have great players…that’s another thing.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:24 pm

imo, this is like losing to Navy in football.

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:25 pm

Emel, I agree re Navy. Same kind of feel.

Our hopes of being a top-shelf team are gone. Reality bites.

We should be used to this as Pitt fans.

So a first or second-round exit and we’re left with “meh..better than the CBI year.”

I guess that’s our lot in life.

Comment by BATR 02.02.14 @ 3:29 pm

@Kev – I agree with you but this game was winnable. A few more of these and we will be looking up at 7 or 8 teams ahead of us in the ACC saying the same thing about the rest of them.

Once the press started talking about LP as an ACC POY/Wooden Award candidate his game went AWOL. Maybe we’re better off when we get no publicity at all.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 3:31 pm

we did everything today…to justify this jerkoff on The Fan….whoever he is

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:33 pm

@BATR – this season is still salvageable. Either our seniors have to show up again ready to be aggressive and win or Jamie has to put this season in the hands of Artis, Young et al.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 3:42 pm

Figures that this game made it right to the ESPN front page. Quiet day in BBall other than Michigan (#10) losing to unranked Indiana (the #8 team in the B1G).

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 3:45 pm

Last thought on this fiasco.

We have developed a propensity to lose close games.
Do whatever is necessary to lose said games.

Don’t see us blowing anyone out in the Dance, so whatever they need to do……DO IT !!!


Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 3:47 pm

@Pitt Dad, I agree to some extent, but I guess it matters what you mean by “salvageable.” I’m not a fire-the-coach crazy-man, I’m just settling in to my normal Pitt fandom mental state.

You can see it in the national press – Pitt is now known, and has been known for years, as a team that will give you a tiny glimpse of possible greatness, then fall apart when it matters.

Remember the No. 1 rankings and the No. 1 seeds and the national pundits saying “Watch out for Pitt!” over the years? Remember all the early exits to lower seeds? Well, if that happens all the time, people learn not to trust the team in situations that matter.

I know and you know that this years team wasn’t of Blair-Fields quality anyway and that anything like the FF was a pipedream.

Of course we could still beat the Orange or win at the Dean Dome and I guess that would be considered salvageable. But come March, your game-face as a Pitt fan has to be bracing for a loss that could have been a win – and never is.

Comment by BATR 02.02.14 @ 3:56 pm

check this out …. according to ESPN, Pitt was outscored 7-1 in last 6 minutes

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 3:59 pm

worse than I thought …. Cam Wright’s 3 point bank at 6:54 made it 44-41. Thus, in the last 7 minutes, all Pitt could muster up is a 3 pt desperation shot and a FT.

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 4:05 pm

@BATR – I mean finishing in the top 4 of the ACC, going to at least the ACC semi-finals, and at least the Sweet 16. If you told me before the season I would see no less than that, I would have been pleased.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 4:11 pm

6:54 mark Wright hits 3 ball to give Pitt 44pts. 1 pt after that. I guess they D’ed us up.

Comment by alcofan 02.02.14 @ 4:13 pm

@Pitt Dad, gotcha – I agree that would be a very, very good year.

I just don’t see it, especially the Sweet 16. But you have to understand, right now I’m wallowing in Pitt-pity.

This happens all. The. Time. You know what I mean. I think it’s because the final play today reminded me of Scottie Reynolds.

I swore I’d never type that name again. :-(

Anyway, cheers, and H2P!

Comment by BATR 02.02.14 @ 4:24 pm

This is a real odd situation for Dixon, he wants to play a half court game but he has one scorer and 3 freshman. We also know he has a caste system where you have to be around for awhile before you can shoot. Will be interesting to see how this looks down the stretch.

Comment by cas myzlinski 02.02.14 @ 4:27 pm

I think Artis is coming along nicely but he did miss a couple underneath. Foul shooting, rebounds and missed shots continue.

Wednesday on the road.

Comment by Frank 02.02.14 @ 4:44 pm

Pitt Dad….Pitt is going to be at best a 7 seed the way they’re playing….that means they’ll play a 2 seed in the 2nd game (IF they win their first game). If we’re an 8-9 seed they’ll play a 1 seed in the second game. Pitt had never in their history beaten a higher seed, let alone a 1-2 seed.

What makes you think this team who hasn’t beaten a good team all year is poised to break that trend. Sweet 16 at least?

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 4:46 pm

O.K. no brilliant observations from me.

1) Patterson is trying too hard Pressure, pressure and the end result is poor outcome.
2) The loss of DJ is really hurting this team.
Our 3 point shooting is awful.
3) Clearly the team is wound up like a tight spring. It shows on the foul line.
4) I have never seen a team miss so many bunnies//tight wound up like a spring.
5) Buy a good bottle of scotch or bourbon for Jamie and loosen him up…he has to be scraped of the wall that he has been climbing.

Comment by isnore 02.02.14 @ 4:48 pm

off the wall…see I can make typo’s too…love ya Frankcan!!!!

Comment by isnore 02.02.14 @ 4:50 pm

Just got home, read the comments. Don’t agree with those that are hard on Jamie.

The concerns that I have expressed all year came true again. We don’t know how to win a close game. Patterson has now disappeared in the two most important games. The game was ours for the taking thanks to an absolute lucky throw by Wright.

They just looked better than us and if not for Young and Artis would have been in trouble in the first half.

For the life of me, I don’t understand how they got a foul call on every drive, but Patterson and Robinson can’t draw a foul to save their lives. Add Wright to that mix.

Of course we miss our foul shots so it is kind of a mute point.

Some one needs to make a shot at the end of a game.

For all the emphasis on defense, they had a lot more easier baskets than we did.

Don’t get me wrong VA is a good team at least as good as us, but we should have won but don’t have a clutch closer.

At least I feel good about arguing for Artis last game. He came through today, still needs to finish the game. He was fouled underneath at least two more times that were not called.

We are our record. Own it.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 4:51 pm

Since Robinson, Wright and now Patterson can’t drive to the hoop, why not try Newkirk a couple times. I don’t think he is allowed to try.

This is killing us, everyone does it to us, but since Patterson has gone cold, (he is not trying to do to much, He is choking) no one can make a drive.

Granted Duke and VA are hard to drive on. But we got no easy baskets today.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 4:58 pm

Although, I have noticed a little gimp in Patterson in warm-ups during the last three home games. I am wondering if he is a little lame. (physically not mentally) Has anyone else noticed this? He doesn’t seem as quick, but it may just be the opposition. Make no mistake about it, Duke an VA are more than a step faster than us.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 5:03 pm

Pitt desperately needs another scoring threat. In the last two games against very good teams, they were able to limit Lamar Paterson’s scoring. They need another guy who can hit the open 3 point shot or take it to the hoop when the game is on the line. This is still a good team, but they just lost 2 in a row. They need to start winning again.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 5:05 pm

One question, were the fouls apparent on TV? A lot looked pretty phantom live.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 5:06 pm

Need more Newkirk I am telling you…in games like this you gotta get the rebound, fly up court and either make a layup or get fouled. There is a reason Virginia has the best defense in the country. We couldn’t score in half court set. Really there has to be a point where somebody on the staff realizes this. Newkirk, Patterson, Young, Zanna, and Cam is our quickest lineup, collectively. We literally just need to force this pace in games like this.. this offensive efficiency crap is just that, CRAP!!! when you play high school teams in the non con. that is what you are gonna get!!!!!

Comment by Fred 02.02.14 @ 5:10 pm

This was the Pitt team I expected when I said if they won 10 games in the ACC, I would build a statue to Jamie at the Pete.

What happened to the fast break we were running so well early in the year? Agree, the team is very tight. You could almost see the Pitt players shaking at the foul line. Miami is a loss just waiting to happen.

Still, if we had played some close games instead of the Rent a wins, we would be looser late in games.

No excuse at all for the atrocious foul shooting.

Arties looked much better but he still does not rotate properly on weak side defense.

That Pitt allowed UVA to control the pace and “Notre Dame” them is on Jamie and the coaches.
With 9.1 seconds to let the UVA pG bring the ball up floor unopposed is just awful coaching…and that also is on Jamie.

The good news is I don’t think we can play any worse. The bad news, this happens every year and there seems to be no solution forthcoming from JD Slice and Co.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 5:18 pm

One last thing..I would rather this loss happen now than in the NCAA’s…if we even get in. It was painful and should be very painful to the team and coaches. That’s how you learn. Hard lesson but again, it’s all fixable.

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 5:25 pm

Some things are fixable, making clutch shots is on the players.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 5:43 pm

It’s a long season and there will be bumps in the road…I don’t think we were the only Top 25 team to lose this weekend, and gee, I think more Top 25 teams will lose this week, and next week. Yes, losing hurts, and we all feel bad, but I would surmise most of the posters here are 30-75 years old, and most of us are armchair hoopsters who can defend better, shoot better, rebound better than anyone else, but as Danny Murtaugh once said, “They won’t put down their beers!”

It’s great to sit back and trash players (and be honest, there is a lot of trashing going on), but remember these guys are 18-22 years old, and will have their highs and lows.

Some posters are already saying they aren’t going to watch the PITT-Miami game. I am an alum and a fan, and I’ll be glued to ESPN3 come game time.

Hail to PITT!

Comment by Oregon_Panther 02.02.14 @ 5:50 pm

Well said Oregon Panther

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 6:05 pm

Same here won’t miss a game and will root to the ship sinks. Just wish we had one guy who could do it all, pure shooter who can also drive & dish. Just one. Two would be rnd of 16

Comment by Old School Panther 02.02.14 @ 6:11 pm

of course we’ll be glued to ESPN3 … just frustrated fans blowing off steam

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Comment by Chick 02.02.14 @ 6:27 pm

And now back to analysis.

We knew this team would only go as far as Patterson and Zanna would take it.

Patterson was 4-14 against Duke and 3-14 today.

Zanna had 11 points against Duke, 7 of those from the foul line. Today he had 2 points total.

It may not be kind, and I love these guys, but that is the definition of choke. Big time players come up big in big games.

They have to do better than that. End of story.

I hope they start to in Miami.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 6:28 pm

Great start for the block pools.

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Comment by cas myzlinski 02.02.14 @ 6:37 pm

Virginia basically out-Pitted Pitt today. They run the same offense, are a stout defensive team, are VERY physical, and are lacking offensively.

Young and Artis were Pitt’s best players today, although they have to learn to finish strong. Patterson once again was the focus of the other team defensively, and why not? Pitt has no other back court scoring threat. Really disappointed in the offensive play of BOTH Robinson and Newkirk.

It is no coincidence that Pitt couldn’t score after Patterson left with his 4th foul. I thought Dixon waited too long to bring him back, it was somewhere around the 3:20 mark.

The Syracuse loss was tough but not unexpected. In some ways it was validating because it was a close game. The Duke loss was frustrating but again acceptable based on Duke’s shooting. This loss, to me was season-defining.

I could be wrong but I don’t see this team improving much going forward. They are what they, a second tier ACC team. They don’t have many more opportunities to prove themselves as worthy of higher praise.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.02.14 @ 6:39 pm

what other Super Bowl began with a safety as the first score?

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 6:43 pm

Isn’t all this crap surrounding the Super Bowl absurd. THANK GOD WE DON’T HAVE TO WITH ALL BULL CRAP BEFORE EVERY GAME. What do the singers, entertainers have to do a football game.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 6:44 pm

Justinian, is this your 1st SB? This is an event, not a game which is secondary.

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 6:46 pm

Oregon Panther, Yes it’s a long season and they still have more games to play. I thought the Panthers have been running out of gas in the last 3 games. Maybe it something that happens after this many games. None the less, it’s a concern. Maybe they need to do a little more subbing to keep everyone a little bit fresher at the end of games.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 6:53 pm

wbb As surprising as it may seem………..this is not my first Super Bowl. It just seems like all fanfare and hype has gotten out of hand. I remember the early Super Bowls. Every year they keep adding more and more hype, pregame shows, entertainment and more and more silliness. I now make it a point not to watch the football pre-game shows. I just put on the game.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 7:09 pm

Team seems to be struggle to find its legs. I am surprised at the lack of focus. Foul shots and missed short bunnies killed us again today. For to convert the gimmies. Patterson is having a tough time getting free or creating a shot. This is why he will play on Europe (sorry to say). Same with Zanna. Good players but not great.
Robinson has to do more to create opportunities. He seems one dimensional.

This is a good (not great) Pitt team. Sweet 16 would be an over achievement at this point. Feb is the defining moment for most teams. Pitt bringing in feb like a lamb. I hope they finish like a lion.


Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 02.02.14 @ 7:23 pm

Justinian, the SB is not for sports fans and hasn’t been for years … it’s for the women and casual fans

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 7:26 pm

@ wbb

SB check-in ( I’m startin to hate SB parties guys)

That would be the Steelers 2, the Minny Vikings 0 in our very first Super Bowl with our great….
and never to be duplicated……..
………Steel Curtain !!!!

Comment by Emel 02.02.14 @ 7:38 pm

This Super Bowl may be over by halftime.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 7:41 pm

Emel L.C. Greenwood blocked more Fran Tarkington passes in that Super Bowl than I can ever remember a defensive end making. He was like Dekembe Motombo blocking shots.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 7:47 pm

Bless you Oregon Panther for the Danny Murtaugh reference!

The sun will come up tomorrow ….. Unless u r a Denver fan

Comment by Dan 72 02.02.14 @ 7:54 pm

Even Superstars can choke but what’s up with Fox not taking the three points, stupid!

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 7:56 pm

As bad as it looks, Manning and Denver are still capable of putting a lot points on the board. But they have to get their heads out of their ass first.

Comment by Justinian 02.02.14 @ 7:59 pm

@BATR – I’m not saying we’re making the Sweet 16, just that if you told me before the season that that was as far as we were going I would have signed up for it based on what the expectations were for this team preseason.

@gc – were you talking about our fouls on UVa or vice versa?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 8:16 pm

All the fouls called on us trying to guard them.

From where I was sitting they looked like good defense.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 8:29 pm

Pitt seemed scared to attack where UVA always looked to drive or dump it inside. Had pitt attacked the basket a bit more aggressively the game is totally different. Panthers played right into Bennett’s hands, should have never happened.

Comment by John 02.02.14 @ 8:29 pm

Emel, you win the prize. A front row seat for the Bronco victory parade in Denver

gc, agree that Denver should have kicked the FG

Shocked at the Ginger Baker reference after the halftime show by Fox host

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 8:32 pm

John, they did block a lot of shots. But I agree, we didn’t draw many fouls going to the hoop.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 8:32 pm

Forget my Denver by 2.5 Call. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.02.14 @ 8:47 pm

Does this mean Tino will win a sb one day too?

Comment by John 02.02.14 @ 8:48 pm

gc- it was just very frustrating to see UVA stick to a plan that was clearly working and our o passing around the arc for 32 seconds

Comment by John 02.02.14 @ 8:50 pm

Robinson’s stat line, 36 minutes, most of anyone, 0-5 from the field, 1-2 from the line, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 turnover. Lead the field in time of possession.

On one play he was wide open in the corner, Patterson looked at him, then made an out of control drive to the hoop got off a very poor shot that might have been partially blocked.

That told me all I need to know about Patterson’s confidence in Robinson’s shot. We weren’t getting many open ones and for Patterson to give it up for one says a lot.

Whatever happened to Zanna’s 15 footer? Have not seen that for a while.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 8:51 pm

What is frustrating is that this team seemed a lot better offensively than the last few. They were moving the ball well and getting the open shot.

It can’t all be the level of competition. They just look very tight.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 8:55 pm

good thing pot is legal in Colorado

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:04 pm

John, I agree, we were using the whole 35 instead of just trying to score. We have played three games like this, close ones and have lost all three.

I think it was Villiponi that was talking to Julius Page before the game and said your team or Levance’s or Krauser’s team wouldn’t have lost all three. Julius hemmed and hawed, unfair question but true. The guys that need to finish off the game aren’t getting it done.

I hope they learn how to soon.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 9:05 pm

wbb, it’s legal in Washington too, I’ll bet they are lighting them up in the streets of Seattle as we speak.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 9:08 pm

This is what your gonna get from a Jamie Dixon coached team….I soured on him two years ago

when his players execute his “system” there is success….but when we NEED to score or create our own shot we can’t do it..

he does not recruit those kind of players….and this year, teams have figured out how to stop Patterson..and know one else can score

Comment by Keith 02.02.14 @ 9:11 pm

Two squares went down the shoot real quick. Somebody won with an eight.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 9:13 pm

@gc – it wasn’t that they were phantom calls, it’s just that the same things weren’t being called on the other end. But we did get to the line plenty of times and more than they did. We just didn’t make the most of it. In the end, while the game was poorly called, that’s not why we lost.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.02.14 @ 9:18 pm

gc, Pitt did not push tempo at all today, played exactly at the pace where UVa was comfortable. But I was impressed with the Cavs defense. They were very quick to help and collapse, there wasn’t much room to drive, and they were really physical on the screens. They are the first ACC team I’ve seen that plays like a Big East team.

I think a lot of Pitt’s offensive woes have been the competition. Pitt is averaging 80 points in wins and just over 50 in losses. That’s incredible.

Again today though, just like in the 1st half vs. Duke, Pitt missed a lot of lay ups. They weren’t uncontested, but those need to be made more often than not in D-I basketball.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.02.14 @ 9:25 pm

to push tempo you have to (1) rebound, (2) cause turnovers and (3) be aggressive early in the sot clock on offense.

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:31 pm

as usual, offense wins MVPs, defense win championships

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:38 pm

Russell Wilson is 2 or 3″ shorter than Chad Voytik

Comment by wbb 02.02.14 @ 9:50 pm

Lots of Football recruits at the game today. As I drove in to Oakland this morning, I was imagining what this grayest of gray Pittsburgh weather days looked like to a kid who grew up in South Florida. Lets just say the city did not look its best today. Bleak, is the word that comes to mind.

Is it just me or does it seem like Pitt is off to a much faster start and HCPC is striking a more visible profile with this 2015 recruiting class? Maybe it’s just a result of all of that program stability!

Comment by Iron Duke 02.02.14 @ 9:51 pm

Where is SpiritofSection22? Two straight losses and the dude has disappeared.

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.02.14 @ 9:54 pm

PittDad, I agree we didn’t lose cause of the refs, it is just frustrating how many calls there are in a game, the new rule sucks.

Iron Duke, VA was good, many times they flat out looked better than us. They were better offensively than I thought they would be. They have a lot of good players and seemed much more physical than us.

In practice it looked like most could dunk with authority and many threes were going in.

I am hoping it is a slump with Patterson and Zanna, but I fear it may be the Peter Principal.

Comment by gc 02.02.14 @ 9:56 pm

I know Coach Dixon, if we could of played better defense and grabbed a few more rebounds, we would have won.

Comment by Z-Boy 02.02.14 @ 10:03 pm

We have lost to four good teams. In three of those games it came down to the last minute and we had our chances to win them, but just could not get it done.

It’s very frustrating, but it is far from an indication that this is a bad basketball team. This is a very good basketball team that is a few missed FTs or layups from being in the Top 10.

I am most confused by the comments that we were “out coached” or “out played” or “out hustled” or “out” anything else in this game. The score was tied before the last shot, how much out coached-played-hustled could we have been during the rest of the game before that shot?

This team will be a tough opponent for any team we play in the ACC or NCAA tournaments. Maybe in those games we hit the open 3, or open lay up, or FT, like we have failed to do at the end of 3 of our 4 losses so far. Nobody saw this team as a preseason ACC or NCAA champion.

Don’t give up on this team. There is a lot of basketball left to play this year.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.02.14 @ 10:16 pm

Great Seahawks win for the Pacfic Northwest’s home team.

I do feel for Peyton and the Broncos….I laugh thinking how some of our posters would be going crazy if this was a Bronco board.

Hail to PITT!

Comment by Oregon_Panther 02.02.14 @ 10:18 pm

HbgFrank….Pitt scored 1 point in the last 6:52 and Patterson remained on the bench until the 3:20 mark. Pitt also had no press or defense set up to either stop or slow down Virginia on their final possession.

Wilson looked good in the SB game….I hope that was some good pub for Chryst.

Comment by Jackagain 02.02.14 @ 10:51 pm

Jack, VA is now 8 and 1 in the ACC. They scored one bucket, their last, in the final 8 plus minutes of the game…With the new rules this year that have resulted in blocking fouls at the drop of a hat, I don’t know that pressing VA the length of the floor is the best strategy with the score tied. We had a good defense set up but just failed to rotate out quick enough. This was no Scotty Reynolds length of the floor uncontested layup. This was a deep, desperation 3 that went in. Good for him.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.02.14 @ 11:21 pm

Excuses don’t win games. Since the last minute won over WVU years ago Dixon has blown close games. Don’t over analyze please.

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.03.14 @ 6:00 am

Bottom line is Miami game either rights the ship or puts us in a baylor-like tailspin

Comment by John 02.03.14 @ 6:45 am

FWIW, this is from the Trib:

Pitt football welcomed 28 prospects to its Junior Day, but the appearance of 2014 quarterback Wade Freebeck was the most important of the afternoon. Freebeck, who verbally committed in June, was accompanied by his parents on his official visit.

He stayed for the entire game before returning home to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., after some recruits left at halftime. He sat with wide receiver Tyler Boyd, offensive coordinator Joe Rudolph and quarterbacks coach Brooks Bollinger

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 7:24 am

Zannna officially KNOWS we are in conference play.

Let’s see more of Uchebo. The 50 sec. he was in, he looked unhindered and I didn’t see him rubbing his eye(not even once) OR writhing in pain on the floor at all.

I am not down on LP as he continues to attempt to lead and has another off night. Zanna OTOH, either is the Tin Man(no heart) or the Lion(no courage) again. I rewatched and am still not sure what exactly JR was doing on that 35 sec. violation. Should have shot at first and then I’m not sure if he tried to pass again or got the ball knocked away.

On the positive side, Artis is continuing to improve and I still like Cam’s play.

Comment by TVax 02.03.14 @ 7:39 am

@HbgFrank — The last VA score was uncontested. Poor communication on switch by Pitt. Why does it always happen to Pitt in the last seconds of a close game? I would say bad luck or not being prepared for a set play that was executed as planned. I agree, Scotty was not even guarded and what has Pitt learned since?

Pitt should have won this game, both teams are good but this was our house.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.03.14 @ 8:02 am

This was one game where Dixon should have been willing to alter his style a bit and increase the tempo of the game. You don’t want to play a game in the mid forties against a Bennett-coached team.

Virginia is strong and athletic, but they’re really half-court oriented. There had to be opportunities to force tempo and run a bit on that team. Yes, you’d rather do it with Durand Johnson playing, but still, I would have liked to see Newkirk get more minutes and go out there with marching orders to push the ball. If you don’t get a layup or a foul or an open jumper in transition, then pull it out. That could have opened the game up for Patterson — gotten him some room to operate.

Dixon played right into Tony’s hands.

Comment by hugh green 02.03.14 @ 8:04 am

First of all, I want to say that Dixon is an extremely good coach and runs his program the right way. Pitt is very lucky to have a coach of his caliber, and I don’t see Pitt doing any better in the coaching department in my lifetime. However, this year’s Pitt team is exactly where they should be – an above average but not great team. The talking heads in the media who were blistered on this board earlier in the season are starting to look a little more credible.

In recent history, a big problem for this program is the lofty expectations that build (especially on this board) after beating the likes of dogs like Savannah St, Duquesne, and Cal Poly in November and December. Pitt routinely racks up 10 to 12 wins in the pre-conference schedule and is rarely challenged. A team like Pitt with a past history of tournament disappointments is never going to be taken seriously by the national media unless they go play the likes of Michigan St., Kansas, Ohio St., Arizona, etc. in November and December.

Those that worship at the altar of Ken Pomeroy (college basketball’s version of Jeff Sagarin), get influenced by his overweighting of offensive and defensive efficiency stats. Against inferior competition, Pitt has few turnovers, a high number of assists, and routinely ends up in his top 10. They get so much praise from the opposition’s head coach, we start believing the hype. In Ken Pomeroy’s world, Jamie Dixon vs. Mark Few would be a dream matchup in March. That is not taking anything away from Pitt or Gonzaga, but they are very similar in that they play a nice team game without elite talent. But in March, talent routinely trumps coaching year in and year out.

I am particularly troubled by Pitt’s lack of offensive efficiency in the last 4 minutes of games against quality opponents. They really struggle to score and seem to get into their offense too late in the shot clock after some meaningless perimeter passes 30ft from the basket. It is tired and cliché, but the reality is that Pitt does not have a go-to-guy that can get his own shot when the offense breaks down in difficult situations. At times, it looks like this team is coached so well to share the ball that nobody is assertive enough in crunch time. While Patterson has had a nice career, he is not a guy that can create outside of the framework of the offense in late game situations.

The disappointing reality about Pitt is that they have limited upside when it comes to March. Jamie Dixon gets almost every ounce of talent out of his guys and they have mostly reached their ceiling at this point in the season. When Pitt beats Syracuse at home in a few weeks, the expectations will skyrocket once again as they have in years past. Columns will be written about this team having a legitimate shot at the Final Four as Lunardi starts moving Pitt up his board. But Pitt is not going to look differently in March than they look now. Teams like Duke and Syracuse with blue chip rosters and NBA talent will be completely different teams in March. A few losses in January and February are meaningless, yet the uneducated basketball fans seem to define talented teams by those regular season losses. Louisville lost 3 January games in a row last year and it didn’t stop them from winning the National Championship.

On selection Sunday this board will go crazy when Pitt gets dealt a 9 seed and sent out west for the first round of the tournament. There will be gnashing of teeth and talk of conspiracy theories and some “NCAA agenda” that is out to get Pitt. Nothing could be further from the truth. I will come back and point to that joke of a non-conference schedule and say they deserved the seeding. Despite the loss yesterday, I think this team has overachieved up to this point. I expected a .500 conference record to be honest. I think if we can manage our expectations and look at this team objectively, we realize that winning 2 games in the tournament would be an amazing accomplishment for this group.

Comment by dallas mike 02.03.14 @ 8:17 am

dallas mike, must admit you are right on, and agree with you on almost everyting you said. If anyone cares to look back, I never beta the drim of Pomeroy, BPI or any other drummed-up rating, and I also was very critical of Pitt’s non-con.

The one thing I disagree with you is expectations. While I certainly didn’t expect Pitt to win the league, I expected a better than .500 record, if nothing else, because the ACC is an overall much weaker league than the previous BE. Thus, Pitt is pretty much at a level I expected except that they won some games much easier than expected.

My hope is that Jamie uncharacteristically starts to rely more and more on the freshmen because of the obvious limits of the upperclassmen which has shown may times in criitcal situations.

Lastly, dalas mike is absolutely correct in poinitng out that Pitt doesn’t have the talent that the big boys do.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 8:31 am

Dallas Mike has a badass Pitt Basketball Court painted on his driveway for you guys that are wondering. He is a Pitt Guy through and through. Nice seeing you back here Mike!

Beers soon?

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 8:44 am

Come on dallas mike, it’s way to easy to come out and write tripe like this after we lose a couple games in a row.

Since you’ve never posted before, at least under this name, I’ll assume that you have posted under some other name.

And unless you sit on the NCAA selection committee you have no idea of what you’re talking about, concerning agendas or theories. And I didn’t expect a .500 conference record like you do, to be honest, (nice try btw) and still don’t. If we can’t beat all the rest of these teams left on the schedule(Miami,VT, FSU, BC,ND,NCST,Clem) sans Syracuse and maybe UNC in Chapel Hill, there’s something wrong. Because most of them aren’t very good at all.

And nobody worships at the altar of Ken Pomeroy, is merely mentioning how he has us ranked, considered a form of worship in your mind. Sounds like you work for the IRS or someone of that order with logic like that.

I will agree to an extent with your 4rth paragraph, in that we’ve seen this last 4-5 minute game droughts all to often when the other team really ratchets up their defense.

And if we don’t beat Syracuse and UNC, we will be a 8 or 9 seed since we wouldn’t have any Top 50 wins over anybody. And we would more than likely deserve a 8 or 9 seed so their won’t be any ‘gnashin’ of teeth. But the matchups and the locale can certainly be scrutinized, if that’s allowed in your world of ‘sticking one’s head into the sand’.

A world where there are no agendas or conspiracies. Just one of….going along to get along. Without questioning anything.
And everything just happens by happenstance.

What do they say, ignorance is bliss.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:00 am

too funny upitt…you are his cred ! lmao

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:01 am

Pitt will not tailspin from here. I say it is much more likely Pitt will win out the regular season rather than lose 2 more games.

Z and LP are still the keys but JR needs prove to me that he can’t shoot by missing more. If JR can’t or won’t shoot, someone needs to try, whether it be Nuke, Artis, or maybe Young or Jones.

Comment by TVax 02.03.14 @ 9:05 am

Can we see that via google maps….upitt ?

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:06 am

Emel – good, rational, realistic reply.

Comment by TVax 02.03.14 @ 9:09 am

Maybe it’s that Fillaponi guy on the Fan, lol.

Since I took a shot at him on here.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:09 am

I meant the 9:00 post.

But I would like to see the coordinates for the driveway also.

Comment by TVax 02.03.14 @ 9:10 am

It seems that at this time of year Pitt losses it’s offensive skills. Maybe they practice TOO much on defense and not enough on offensive skills.

Come NCAA time (if they get in) they will run up against good offensive teams whose players step up their defense. Not good.

Comment by Frank 02.03.14 @ 9:19 am

I also don’t agree that PITT can’t get better before March.

In the last 2 games alone, granted they were losses, however both Artis and Young are playing much better.

Against Duke:
Young had 9 points, 7 rebounds, one 3
Artis had 8 points, 2 rebounds, two 3’s, 1 block
( in only 12 minutes)

Against UVA
Young had 8 points, 4 rebounds, 1 block
Artis had 11 point, 7 rebounds, 1 asst.
(leading scorer for Pitt)

If they can continue to improve and be legit threats to score, Pitt could be much better by March. But Z & Lamar both have to play up to their ppg average and rebounding or Artis’s and Young’s improvement will be negated as it has the last 2 games.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:24 am

That was the perfect ‘trap’ game for Pitt yesterday.

As UVA plays a style the complete anti-thesis of Duke.

And UVA like Cincy were just a little more seasoned and a little more tough inside than we were. They both got a ton of offensive rebounds, Cincy had 16 and UVA had 11, but seemed like more.

Z disappeared on the boards in both games as he only had 4 rebounds against Cincy and only 3 rebounds against UVA. Further proving he is a finesse player who operates much better in transition than a half court offense. As in the transition game against Duke he had 11 rebounds.

Kind of surprised, since we had a lot of trouble getting Z the ball inside (he only took 3 shots), that they didn’t move him outside the lane a little, to let him shoot those 12-15 foot jumpers he’s pretty good at, dragging their Center out with him. That would have also perhaps unclogged the lane a little for Lamar.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:35 am

Emel – He does have the court. We are supposed to play if it ever warms up. I will google earth it to see if it shows up LOL. Met Mike a few times. He is a good guy and is a good friend. He doesn’t post much as he is chasing kids around and works a lot.

Emel – I lost a close one last night. Almost covered just missed it by 43 points or so. A nailbiter. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 9:45 am

Emel, I expect to see more and more of teams doing whatever they can to limit Lamar Paterson’s touches. When the opponents key on stopping him, the Panthers have to make them pay, with open looks and points from other players. Yes, I think both Young and Artis are getting better. I would also like to see Newkirk and Jones more. I think keeping players fresh at the end of games will make a difference.

Comment by Justinian 02.03.14 @ 9:49 am

Trap game? Pitt had nearly a week to prepare, was well aware of how good UVa is and how they played, and had already played against a similar team (Cincy.)

But most importantly, this game was recognized as a very important game (especially after the Duke loss) … thus it was the complete anti-thesis of what a trap game is.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 9:49 am

Emel / Mike – I looked and you can see the 3 point line but the Trees around it cover up the PITT Logo. LOL.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 9:52 am

@ upitt

Then why would you feel the need to come on and tell us …”He is a Pitt Guy through and through”.

Right after he posts.

Nobody was suggesting he wasn’t.

That is until now ! lol

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 9:54 am

If Z was hurt, he should have stayed on the bench, he did nothing after he came back. Even if Artis makes the put back at the end, the three point shot wins it.

While I agree that all is not lost, losing all your close games is problematic. The margin of loss may be small, but a winner gets it done.

Patterson’s lack of production when it is needed most is a major concern, 7-28 shooting, .25 from your only “star” loses most games.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 9:54 am

My biggest bone to pick with Coach Dixon is his complete stubborness to adjust, either mid game or pre game, to another opponents style. I realize that he thinks “his” way is the best way for Pitt, but if Pitt had just put minor front court pressure on UVA they could have sped up the game and taken UVA out of their slow down pace, especially on the last UVA possession.

Whether it’s the NCAA’s or regular season, it’s the same plodding 1-4 offense with JD calling every set and a tepid man to man defense with players getting caught on switches creating mismatches. Speaking of mismatches, I counted 13 of them for Pitt when UVA got caught on switches with smaller playes covering Young and Zanna inside. Not ONCE, did Pitt enter the ball to the post or drive to the bucket to take advantage of it. To me, this is on the coaching staff.

On a good note, Artis seems to be breaking out and getting more confidence on offense. Miami has dealt Pitt some heartbreaking losses in the past and this game is looming.

Comment by Dan 72 02.03.14 @ 9:57 am

If you don’t think Patterson’s shooting was bad he had a total of 3 assists in the last two games.

If he does not turn it around we are in big trouble.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 9:58 am

@ wbb…true dat against Cincy…but how long ago was that. 11 games ago.

Meant ‘trap game’ in that all the other ACC games against real ACC teams were uptempo games.

So maybe I used the wrong why to describe it, but to me….it was a trap game.

One thing for certain it should prepare us for Miami’s style. They are averaging only 61.6 ppg
Which is 341rst in the country out of 345 teams.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:01 am


Let’s face we got ahead of ourselves. JD playing 3 true
freshman, a redshirt fresh man, and a sophomore; loses
his second best scorer to injury and has no one to back-up Zanna. When Patterson doesn’t get 20 we are in trouble.
This team is good not great. Still fun to watch. Young players
show lots of potential. Let’s win the next 2 and upset the Cuse.
An invitation to the Big Dance no matter the seed is a good thing.

FYI checked a Rutgers box score JJ Moore scored 27
Saturday in a win over Houston.

Comment by JR 02.03.14 @ 10:03 am

Emel – B/C as soon as someone says something that isn’t rainbows and sunshine and happy gnomes people call them WVU Fans, PSU Fans, Trolls or Haters. That’s why. I speak from experience as you know.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 10:03 am

I see your point Emel but wouldn’t term as a trap game.

It’s like playing against a wishbone after you played 5 straight weeks against a spread.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 10:05 am

As a side note, If we had a PG that could score occasionally and drive the ball once in awhile with success that would make the other 4 way better. I think we need a better PG. No offense to this kid he seems nice enough but he isn’t good to cut it long term. Bring someone in Jamie from the JUCO ranks.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 10:06 am

It also seemed like a ‘trap game’ to me, because the game had a weird feeling to it.

It seemed like the crowd wasn’t very much into it.

All the ‘air’ so to speak, with all the buildup of the Duke game seemed to have been taken out of The Pete. This game seemed very anti-climatic after Pitt flopped again on National TV in a big game against Duke.

And the players played like it.

We needed something to force the tempo in this game, it would have ‘focused’ the players more and gotten the crowd more into it.

Think I wrote this during the game yesterday, but we played ‘right into’ UVA’s hands. They played the game at their pace and Pitt was never comfortable the whole game, just like the Cincy game.

Coach should learn something from this. I hope !

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:11 am

concur Justinian…sorry I missed your post :-)

Didn’t want to mention Nuke, since I got jumped on suggesting he play more, earlier in the season. haha

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:15 am

upittBB, if we had a PG who would drive or make the entry pass into the low post from the outside, we wouldn’t have the NCAA leader in assiit to turnover ratio.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 10:15 am

He by the way seems way more tentative than he was before.

Don’t know what is going on there. Kid is constantly looking over to the bench anytime he’s on the court. (leash yank perhaps)

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:16 am

Emel, that was my point earlier, I hope that Jaimie doesn’t have the freshmen on short leash (which of course is uncharacteristic for him) because they are better playmakers … even Jones has been showing more lately.

JR, Wright and even Lamar on a couple occasions really threw up some feeble attempts

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 10:23 am

Would have to watch the replay of the UVA game(and that would be kinda like torture), but it seems like opposing teams(Duke did with Hood) are now putting taller players on Lamar, so he has a tougher time of shooting over them.

Also they’re giving ‘help’ defense on him anytime he drives.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:23 am

wbb – Stats lie sometimes. Tino also had good stats and you know the opinion of him. He needs to be respected as a shooter. If not guys will know he is going to just dish the ball you know. I don’t care about stats… Look at Peyton and his stats all season. Then against the best defense those stats didn’t matter at all.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 10:26 am

JR is a great ball handler, and good foul shooter period. He can’t shoot, he can’t drive, he is a hesitant passer (helps with the assist to turnover ratio). He is a decent defender, except against fast guys.

We all got beat up for pointing this out vs Cinci.

It looks like we have found out what the ceiling is on this team. We had all hoped for better, but it is what it is.

The players and some think coaches have not risen to the next level. There is still time, but it is running out quickly now.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 10:32 am

I know the teams and schedule are different.

But, for most of the year, we had gotten away from that wind the clock down to 10 seconds and go.

Now, it seems like we’re right back to that same old thing from the past couple years.

Bring the ball over half court, dribble till 10 seconds, then try to score.

How many times did I hear the crowd counting down the shot clock for our players??

That’s ridiculous!!

Comment by Dan 02.03.14 @ 10:36 am

I know Coach after looking at these game stats knows exactly why we lost.

PITT missed 32 shots yesterday.

Of those 9 were layups….but 23 were jump shots.

Most of those jump shots were even contested.

Which is why we shot 32% FG. You CAN’T shoot 23 contested jump shots.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:40 am

UpittBB, 21 to 3 is a great assist to turnover ratio … haha!

JR is pretty steady, makes few mistakes, and you certainly want the ball in his hands whe protecting a lead. But he has limitations, especially because he doesn’t have the quickness you would like froma PG.

Lamar is the creator and best passer, much like Wannamker when Gibbs was the PG. Last year, Woodall took over in crunch time a handful of times.

I try not to be critical of JR bercause he usually is so sound fundamentally, and that usually enough … but sometimes it is not.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 10:42 am

Spot on Dan

We reverted back into BigEast ‘snail’ ball.

Coach seems content to let it happen.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:43 am

If memory serves me right, Duke shot one 2 point contested jumper on Monday.

They either got a layup or shot a mostly uncontested 3.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:45 am


Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:46 am

wbb – I agree his stats look good but I don’t think they tell that story that if the game is tight I can make that play. He is a safe PG and plays the way Jamie probably likes.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 10:48 am

Limitations to the extent, in some games, you are playing 4 against 5 on offense.

Again great turnover/assist ratio, but there is a reason for that.

JD likes the ‘always under control’ factor.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:52 am

Here’s an interesting tidbit. From the 9:31 mark of the 2nd half ( GAME SCORE 36-36), the freshman Artis scored ALL of Pitt’s points until the end of the game. Other than the 3 point bank shot by Cam on the prayer.

Artis scored 8 points in that time period.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 10:57 am

that’s what I’m saying … Jaimie has to lengthen the leash on Artis, Young and even Jones and Nuke.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 11:00 am

Emel, I have posted in the past, but I am a rare poster. I have never posted under another name. The only reason I am posting again is that UPitt sent me a text. He can attest to my existence since he has met me in the flesh. I met him after posting on the board this fall. However, I spend the weekends toting my 5-year old around to the local hockey rinks so I am not always engaged like I used to be.

What I was trying to say is that I think Pitt is actually well coached, but people put to much emphasis on their offensive and defensive efficiency statistics that can be misleading. Sometimes the local expectations are too lofty.

I don’t have time to go back, but I assure you that it is an annual occurrence for the posters to angrily disagree about Pitt’s seeding in the NCAA tournament. With the exception of the two #1 seed years, there will be a vocal group (maybe the minority?) that will throw out words like agendas and conspiracy when it comes to seeding, venue, and draw. Not my words at all. Speaking in general terms, I rarely observe a full acceptance of Pitt’s seed by the group. I am simply saying the NCAA committee does not have it out for Pitt. All I ever hear is praise from other coaches that look at the consistency delivered by Dixon over the years. If Pitt goes 25-8 and gets an 8/9 seed, I have $5 that says the overall tenor of this board will be outrage. We will see what happens in 45 days, and I will probably post again.

Comment by dallas mike 02.03.14 @ 11:04 am

dallas mike

lol we are still not quite sure about upitt. Still waiting for him to come to Charlotte and get together with him Up to now it’s all been, this, that and the other thing.

While it was nice to be invited to the Final Four, chances of that happening this year were about 1 million to 1 or more.

I am one of those vocal minority that believe to an extent their is an ‘agenda’ against Pitt. We just saw it play out on ESPN’s website the last couple of weeks. It was plain as day.

And committee’s of anything are made up of people. And those people regardless of what they say collectively, have agendas individually. And sometimes collectively. Just my opinion.

Everyone is entitled to one, at least we were, before in this country.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:15 am

From time to time, I would like to see a line-up with LP at point, Cam, Artis, Young and Zanna.

Defense may suffer a little, but I think we would score a lot more.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 11:17 am

Emel, don’t you read the comments at tne bottom of the rankins columns? Fans from just about every team are complaining about their rankings, and will point out why they should be ranked over a couple others.

And we know damned well that if we were from another school that is ranked below Pitt, we would be the first to be yelling “well, just who in the hell has Pitt beaten?” That’s just part of being a fan(atic!)

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 11:23 am

Though I was disappointed in a game we could have easily won, I think we all know we have a short bench with less firepower to help out. Zanni’s anle sprain didn’t help. Am curious sometimes with Jamie’s substitutions but he knows the team better than I do. Wasn’t thrilled with Robinson taking the last shot(thought Artis or Patterson would have been better. Atris is staring to remind me of Sam Young a litte bit(which is a good thing. That being said, I think the Miami game is huge in terms of confidence and getting back to some Pitt basketball. I used to be hung up all the Joe Lunardi(spelling?) but based on how we were seeded in the past does it really matter? I think playing Artis and Young are going to pay dividends down the road. Remember how well we played at Maryland and scoring was not a problem. Let’s hope the Miama game will be the same. My hope is that we and Syracuse win the next two games so that when Syracuse comes to town next week we have a chance to knock off a undefeated , Number one team. HTP!!

Comment by Bruce F 02.03.14 @ 11:27 am

of course wbb

I’m talking about ESPN omitting Pitt wins on their front page when all the other ‘ranked’ teams games are linked.

I’m talking about announcers like Sean McDonough and Len Elmore actually going over our ‘rent-a-win’ schedule and mentioning some of the teams.
McDonough even snorted a chuckle after it.

I’ve watched probably over a 1000 basketball games on TV, I’ve NEVER seen any announcers going over a team’s rent-a-win schedule.

Why….because each and every team in America in the Big 5 conferences, play a long list of rent-a-wins against teams most ppl have never heard.

The fact that Pitt ‘wet the bed’ again over the last week, doesn’t take anything away at all, from this bias, agenda, I don’t care what you call it, they have against Pitt.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:29 am

But Emel, they have every right to scoff at the schedule … it isn’t a bias against Pitt.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 11:38 am


It’s just something that’s ‘not done’. And when they make a point to do it. That is an agenda.

And that is a bias.

And why would they go out of their way, to mock Pitt’s schedule ?

Are they mocking Wichita State’s schedule thru December and they were in the Top 10 ?

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:41 am

Do they EVER mock Syracuse’s schedule, when most years over the last 20 years, Cusey rarely leaves the homey confines of the Carrier Dump. And they’re 1 road game might be at MSG.

And they play every lightweight except the various SUNY’s of New York State.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:44 am

you’re just being a fan that focuses on what you don’t like, and ignore the good things.

Heck, I thought Elmore was very comlimentary, and in fact, gushed how good a passer Patterson was.

And why would they talk about Wichita St while covering Pitt? They were airing a broadcast of Pitt so they’re going to talk about them

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 11:46 am

Would love to count up ALL the rent-a-wins over the last 30 years Boeheim has at the Carrier Dump.

And while they might have the right to scoff at our schedule, if they’re not doing it to all the other teams that play rent-a-wins…. that most certainly is a bias.

In my book !

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:47 am

and the reason you know about all of the rent-a-wins is that media talked about them.

Pitt’s non-con sucked and we here have said that hundreds of times already

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 11:49 am

And why would they talk about Wichita St while covering Pitt? They were airing a broadcast of Pitt so they’re going to talk about them

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 11:46 am


Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:53 am

As was talking about the media in general.

Was anybody making Wichita State ‘the poster child’ for a weak non-con ?????

There were several other ranked teams with a lower SOS than Pitt ?

Why was Pitt chosen as the ‘poster child’?

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 11:56 am

Clearly Gorman being a Pedo State had an agenda keeping Pitt out of the rankings, regardless of what’s happened in the last week.

Then after some prodding by sos22 and me and some others he had us as high as #11 last week.

His rationale was because we hadn’t played anyone.
Although he has Cincinnati at #10 in his latest poll. And Stanford turned out, not to be a nobody, beating then #18 Oregon and losing by only 3 points to then #1 Arizona.

And we all know about how Cookie and Collier of the PG take every delight in Pitt failures.

No agenda or bias ….right ?

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:08 pm

Don’t be silly !

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:08 pm

If we would have won 2 of the 4 we lost, they wouldn’t be talking about the non-com. It only matters cause we haven’t beat anyone competitive, except Stanford and Clemson which aren’t exactly big names.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 12:10 pm

let me rephrase. If they are broadcasting a Pitt game, why wouldn’t they be talking about Pitt’s schedule? And why would they bring up Wichita State?

I’m willing to bet that nobody mentioned Pitt’s schedule during any Wichita St broadcast this year.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 12:13 pm

Syracuse weak no-com doesn’t matter because they are still undefeated when it counts.

The local media does love it when Pitt fails, which has been far to often.

We live in a city with the Cult of the Steelers and Mario Lemieux and Sidney Crosby, there are statues to Clemente, Maz and Stargell.

It has been a lifetime since Dorsett and Marino.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 12:16 pm

Amazingly we’re still ranked (#25) in the AP Poll.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.03.14 @ 12:16 pm

When all is said and done; (based on the facts)

Pitt’s SOS right now (#45) after 22 games, while not exactly sterling, it is HIGHER than the great media darling Syracuse (#80).

It’s also higher than:

#3 Florida # 51
#4 Wichita St. #90
#5 San Diego St. #115
#8 Okie State #48
#12 Louisville #79
#13 Cincy #94
#15 Iowa #77
#19 St. Louis #91
#25 Texas #54

Wow, how could this be….aren’t we supposed to have had an incredibly weak non-con. Well apparently these teams must have played weaker non-cons, as the ACC is not exactly the power conf. this year.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:28 pm

link to above SOS

link to

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:31 pm

So let Sean McDonough chuckle about his alma mater’s SOS not ours……!!!

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:33 pm

And I repeat….why is Pitt the media ‘poster child’ for a weak SOS.

When in reality Pitt is clearly not anywhere the weakest of ranked teams.

Got an answer for that ?

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:34 pm

Emel, you just wrote over a dozen posts about the same toipic within an hour (many of them not even in direct response to another post.)

Can’t you see how obsessed you are about this topic?

SOS is one measure but what good is SOS if you can’t beat anyone good that has made the SOS improve so much?

The only claim that Pitt has so far this year is that they beat the living shit out of the weaker ACC teams … that’s it!

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 12:44 pm

Pitt is at 24 on new AP poll. Happy????

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 12:45 pm


To Emel……thanks for the facts on SOS. Half of Boehiem’s
wins have been against patsies. No disgrace just saying Pitt
is not alone.

Comment by JR 02.03.14 @ 12:47 pm

and ALL of Pitt’s wins have been against patsies

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 12:48 pm

@ JR

You’re welcome. Just passing on the ‘facts’ for those that question the media’s distortion of things into their own little distorted reality.

@ wbb

SOS literally is the Strength of your schedule.
So the idea that Pitt is being used as the ‘poster child’ of someone who plays nobody is preposterous based on the facts I posted above.

Let me ask you a question….do you believe that the Post Gazette has any bias against Pitt ?

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 12:51 pm

TiH, I don’t think that I made any excuses. I simply stated the fact that in 3 of 4 losses, we had the chance to win the game and did not make plays that were there to be made. I did not say “the refs screwed us”, or “we were out coached”. Our players had the chance to win those games and did not execute.

Cases in point the missed FT’s at the end of the Cinncy game; or, from yesterday, our final three point shot was 3 ft closer and even more open than VA’s winning shot….We missed it, and the put back layup that followed. These are facts, not excuses….With 5 seconds left in the Syracuse game, we were one point down to the best team in college basketball (if you believe the polls) in front of 34,000+ of their rabid fans and I’m going to come on here and read that Pitt is an average basketball team that gets out coached and out played…

Sorry, I’m not buying what you are selling. This is a very good (not great) basketball team that is doing far better than I would have expected this season in terms of how competitive they are. It has been stated that Troy Nunes is an absolute magician, I think that title belongs to Jamie Dixon and thank goodness we have him.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.03.14 @ 12:52 pm

emel, Yes and so does the Trib to a lesser extent. I’ve even written to Micco about the bias some time ago.

But this is a different subject. Again, if you read all of the posts at the bottom of the rankings articles on CBS and ESPN, you will see several fans from several schools claiming being biased against … Pitt is just one of the many.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 12:56 pm

That’s good wbb

I was beginning to get worried about you. :-)

But I would imagine at least those schools have their local newspapers behind them. We do not.

So in that respect we are very much in a different position than 99% of them.

And I also believe that besides the local media being bias against Pitt, that the national media is as well. Their actions speak it by volumes.

And when all 3 major sports websites don’t have any mention or link of at that point the #20 ranked team in America on their front page, that is an agenda. As they didn’t after our huge win over Clemson. In fact I’d have to check, but I don’t think any of our wins while we’ve been ranked have been linked to ESPN’s front page.

Plenty of folks on here reported that the Pitt/Duke game was hardly being hyped at all even on ESPN. It was all Duke/Cuse even though that game was AFTER the Pitt/Duke game by 5 days.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 1:03 pm

Anyway as always… a good discourse.

Maybe we can talk about the Miami game on Weds.

The Thugs are 2-6 in ACC play. 11-10 overall.

We need a good beatdown of them !

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 1:11 pm

Emel, you are spot on about strength of schedule. Everyone rips on Pitt constantly. But when you look at actual ranking of schedules, Pitt isn’t close to the bottom. Their nonconference RPI is top 5.

I’m not going to bother responding to any of the comments about the state of the program or whatever. You guys have your minds made up either way. Haters always going to hate.

By the way things like KenPom are respected because they are pretty good predictors in terms of NCAA success. Pitt has been struggling so they are down in KenPom and when Pitt was playing well they were high in KenPom.

This team is still a good team. 3 of the 4 losses this year have 1 thing in common. The other team decided to grind out the game and Pitt let them do it. This started with ND and is happening more. Teams know the way to beat Pitt is to limit their possessions and bog Pitt down in the half court where Pitt’s lack of shooting shows up. This Pitt team is not designed to thrive in games in the 40s and 50s. Because the team is good they almost won the 3 grind games. But I think you should always try to make teams match your style of play. Coach Dixon needs to do something else, pressure the ball or something.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.03.14 @ 1:12 pm

@Wardapalooza – down in KenPom? Pitt is 12th and 7th in ESPN’s BPI. I will value either of those more than the AP, CBSSports or Coaches Poll rankings which lack the objectivity necessary to be valid.

And, as I’ve said since before the season started, the only ranking I care about is that one in April after the tournament.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.03.14 @ 1:24 pm

GC – Interesting comment about playing LP at Point Guard. We all know Jr’s limitations but to me, his biggest is that he is not an offensive threat …ever.

Little known fact is that by the nature of the position, Point guard is the easiest position to score from (not the 2 or 3), especially in Dixon’s 1-4 set. It’s also the easiest to score from against Cuse’s faux 2-3 Zone. Look what the Dukie PG’s did to Cuse on Saturday.

Very interesting point. Lamar at PG, Artis at the 2-3…hmmm…

Comment by Dan 72 02.03.14 @ 1:36 pm

If anyone is starting a pool on who will be taking the free throws for Pitt after a technical foul for the 2016-7 season, mark me down for Maverick Rowan (Lincoln Park soph). He is currently on a streak of 41 consecutive free throws.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 1:37 pm

right Ward

If we win yesterday, there’s a totally different feeling on here. It wasn’t like it was a totally bad loss. It felt that way (at least to me), but UVA is pretty good when they can play their ‘pace’.

I thought the one time we produced a turnover when we trapped one of their bigs on the sideline with a 2 man trap, we might see more of that. Or maybe it was ‘held ball’, which can be like a turnover.

They were getting a lot of easy drives to the hoop it seemed at times, a good zone would stop that.

Just think as I posted many many times, we you play good teams, you got to have ‘more tricks’ in your bag. Have to give them different looks on defense. In a game like yesterday, if you can get one or 2 more turnovers it can be the difference of winning or losing.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 1:41 pm

(when you play good teams, you have to have more tricks in your bag)

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 1:43 pm


When do you think Dixon is going “to do something else”?

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.03.14 @ 1:46 pm

Not out yet…
AP drops us to 25; Coaches to 22.

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.03.14 @ 1:49 pm

Link to poll:
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Virginia jumps ahead in both polls

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.03.14 @ 1:50 pm

Opps. Correct link here:
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Comment by TonyinHouston 02.03.14 @ 1:51 pm

From Gary Parrish (who ranks us #26):

“Pittsburgh is now 0-4 against the top 30 of the RPI and 18-0 against everybody else. So the Panthers are reliable even if they’re unspectacular. And what do you do with a team like this?

They only lose to good teams.

But they always lose to good teams.

The fact that Pitt’s four losses are to the schools ranked No. 1, No. 10, No. 11 and No. 20 in the Top 25 (and one) — combined with the fact that the Panthers are are still a quality team according to relevant computer ratings — is reason enough to keep Pitt in the Top 25 (and one), I guess. But it would be nice if Jamie Dixon’s team would beat somebody better than Stanford, N.C. State and Clemson, at some point. My fingers are crossed for them.”

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.03.14 @ 1:52 pm

so Pitt still is ranked in the polls despite 3 straight losses and losing 3 of the last 4. In other words, you don’t drop too much when you lose to good teams.

Yet, many of you were complaining a few weeks ago when a 1-loss Pitt team was below teams with 2 and 3 losses, even though those losses were to Top 10 teams.

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 1:56 pm

should have said 2 straight losses

Comment by wbb 02.03.14 @ 1:57 pm

I’m kinda shocked we’re still ranked.

I guess with so many ranked teams losing they were in a conundrum.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 1:58 pm

We’re going to shock the nation, (but not us) when we beat Cusey in the rematch on Feb. 12th, a week from Weds.

Hey I just realized why they kept us ranked ! lol

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 2:07 pm

Hey despite everything, the Panthers missed two open shots at the end of Pitt’s last possession. Otherwise, they and not the Virginia Cavaliers probably win the game. Also in answer to the post above about Pitt never beating ranked opponents, that may be true this year, but in past years the Panthers have beaten ranked UConn, Syracuse, and Georgetown teams.

Comment by Justinian 02.03.14 @ 2:11 pm

@ wbb

2 straight losses and we’re 2-2 in the last 4 games.

Wins = Md & Clemson
Losses = Duke & Va.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 2:24 pm

Agree Justinian. We have beaten many ranked teams over the last twelve years. Including Washington twice and Wisconsin, let alone all of the Big East wins.

Washington was actually a top 5 one year, and a top 10 the next when we beat them.

I believe that was a made for tv series knowing both would be in the top 20.

Actually, think I saw a stat on the game yesterday, Pitt is 6-0 against top 5 teams at the Pete.

I think most are talking about this year, although I have not gone back and read all the posts.

(no offense to posters, hard on the eyes. 48 years old, been fighting the glasses for several years, about ready to give in.

Allthough, I keep saying that too.

Comment by Dan 02.03.14 @ 2:36 pm

Wasn’t Duke ranked when we beat them at MSG??

Maybe not, hard to believe they weren’t.

Comment by Dan 02.03.14 @ 2:43 pm

Anyone hear of an update about Freebeck? He was supposed to announce his decision today.

Comment by markp 02.03.14 @ 2:48 pm

Despite a number of coaching moves that could have helped yesterday, for me it all comes down to the fact that too many shots that should be made were not. Patterson missed at least 3 fairly open 10-12 footers, others have already noted the numerous (7-9?) layups — some that were admittedly heavily contested that did not fall, Zanna missing 2 FTs late in the game, among others.

Just like in the Syracuse game, too many points were left on the floor. Also, Patterson is clearly feeling the pressure to be “the man.” It’s affecting his decision making. I’ve also seen others making poor decisions, like a domino effect. Robinson drove into the lane yesterday, as usual, stopped midway, turned back to see a wide open — WIDE — Newkirk, and he chose to throw up a very difficult shot rather than passing it to the open man. There were other bad decisions as well on his part and others.

To me it feels like a lot of what hasn’t worked the last two games is fixable. It’s great to see Artis and Young coming on. Would love to see Newkirk get some more minutes, Zanna regain what had appeared like a stronger presence in the paint, and just an improved toughness. I’m tired of seeing opposing players drive to the hoop untouched. No need to foul willy-nilly, but I’d love to see Zanna or Young put a guard coming to the hoop on his ass once or twice. Right now, the other team is just getting to the hoop too damn easily.

Wednesday can’t come soon enough.

Comment by Carmen 02.03.14 @ 2:58 pm

Sprained ankle or not, is anyone REALLY surprised that Zanna completely disappears against quality opponents? He has done the exact same thing for the last 2 or 3 years! Great numbers and dominant in the non-con and the lower-tier conference opponents…then disappears completely when the quality of the opponent increases. His numbers were a little better this year, but I think that is mainly because he got more minutes since he is a senior. Might as well give some of his 29 minutes to Uchebo and Randall (who had a total of 3 minutes between them), and work on developing them, and see what happens. I bet they could at least equal his output…maybe do even better.

Not saying they should bench Zanna completely, just that he doesn’t deserve all the minutes he’s getting. He seems a lot like Dante Taylor — great kid, great team guy, someone you want to root for — just not worth leaving in the game for 29 minutes (which would have been even more without the ankle injury).

Comment by Hank the Tank 02.03.14 @ 3:11 pm

I hate to say it but we have all seen Zanna’s and to a lesser extent seen Patterson’s disappearing acts before. Add to that Robinson’s offensive challenges and I can see this thing going south real fast. Their play during the last two games, at home, really concerns me. Miami if nothing else is fast and big and at home.

These guys need to get their swagger back and real soon, Syracuse is coming after a supposed breather against VA tech. They need to right the ship on Wednesday. I hate computer games by the way. ESPN3 is better than the radio but…

Coaching moves are one thing but made shots, especially layups are what’s needed.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 3:17 pm

Everything is fixable but the players in uniform.
Each has his limitations and virtues. Even the coaching staff’s attitude and lack of adjustments are fixable. It is only mid season and every team in NCAA BB has a series of losses. Duke’s came early…ours in the middle. I still think the game we played against Syracuse is maybe the best I have seen Pitt play since our Levon days.

Question is…..can this team rebound under Dixon’s “system” oriented offense….and it is offense not the defense that is a problem.

Pitt simply does not score enough points to win close games. The problem is Dixon and Co in the past have simply tried to ride out the storm and hoped the players would improve “in” the system instead of changing the system to give the players a better chance to succeed. Hope this is the year this coaching staff decides to “gamble” on change vs the status quo.

It was “maddening” to watch Pitt just keep doing the same old thing vs UVA.with the “same old” results.

Comment by Dan 72 02.03.14 @ 3:17 pm

Good News ! Good News !

Wade Freebeck commits to PITT !!!

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Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 3:22 pm

Apparently he ‘tweeted’ last nite he committed.

Nothing of course on the PG rag or the Trib.

Glad to see those boys doing their jobs ! lol

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 3:25 pm

Whoops that’s his verbal from earlier….my bad

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 3:27 pm

PittDad, down in KenPom as they were 3rd or 5th after the Clemson win.

Lots of teams lost to worse teams this past week. It’s middle of conference play so everyone is losing games.

Someone actually said Pitt doesn’t beat ranked opponents? Pitt’s record at the Pete against top 5 ranked teams is 8-1 or something right?

I don’t think Dixon is going to do anything else. He will just think that if Pitt had executed better they win. My counterpoint is you can’t expect a young team to execute well all the time against good teams. This team could use a more assertive PG looking to score a la Carl Krauser. JR is good but team needs more offense especially since Durand Johnson was hurt.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.03.14 @ 3:27 pm

@ Hank the Tank.

Z needs to be put in a position to succeed more if JD insists on the halfcourt offense. What I mean by that is…Zanna’s strength is his quickness and range for a bigman. So

So he should be out away from the hoop, since we were having such difficulty getting him the ball.
He can take an opposing center off the dribble as we’ve seen when given the opportunity and he can also knock down 12-15 jumpers.

This also brings the opposing center ‘out of the lane’ which therefore opens the lane up more for Lamar and whoever else that want to drive the lane.

I think yesterday he could have taken that Mike Tobey kid off the dribble, at least get him out of the lane.

Yet he never was told to move out the lane.

Frustrating watching as Dan 72 noted.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 3:37 pm

Watching the game yesterday – it appeared that JD had them playing pass the ball around until 10 seconds were left and then try to score…just like last year – it’s hard to get in rythum and that played into UVA’s defensive scheme…
Would be great if Freebeck stays with Pitt and not Vandy.

Comment by markp 02.03.14 @ 4:01 pm

I may have overreacted and was a little harsh on Z since he disappeared yesterday. He scored 12 against Cuse, 11 against Duke, and was our 2nd leading scorer in both of those games. He had 12 against Cincy and was the leading scorer in that game. I guess I thought history was repeating itself yet again, but he does seem to be playing a little more consistently this year with the exception of yesterday. Hope it was just the ankle injury that made him play a little more passively, and hope that he returns to form against Miami, and especially against Cuse on 2/12.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Hank the Tank 02.03.14 @ 4:10 pm

BTW, Emel, I agree…the coaches need to point that out, and have him take his man outside the lane. Love watching him beat those big guys with his crossover drive.

Again, I’m now hoping that yesterday was a fluke due to the ankle.

Comment by Hank the Tank 02.03.14 @ 4:13 pm

@ markp

that was our Figure 8 offense. what you no like ! lol

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 4:36 pm


Jerry Dipaola did have this in his Trib post yesterday. On the face of it, this is good news. I hope that this kid chooses to come to Pitt.

Pitt football welcomed 28 prospects to its Junior Day, but the appearance of 2014 quarterback Wade Freebeck was the most important of the afternoon. Freebeck, who verbally committed in June, was accompanied by his parents on his official visit.
He stayed for the entire game before returning home to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., after some recruits left at halftime. He sat with wide receiver Tyler Boyd, offensive coordinator Joe Rudolph and quarterbacks coach Brooks Bollinger.
National letter-of-intent day is Wednesday.


Comment by pmdH2P 02.03.14 @ 4:36 pm

Question///why does Pitt miss so many bunnies?
The bunny problem seems to impact both our front and back court players. It’s enough to make me switch my brand of bourbon.

Comment by isnore 02.03.14 @ 4:37 pm

If what you wear is any indication….

Freebeck wore a “Hail to Pitt” blue T at the game yesterday.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 4:39 pm


And, Vandy made a big deal about recruiting a QB from Raleigh NC over the weekend. So, maybe they know Freebeck is sticking with us.


Comment by pmdH2P 02.03.14 @ 4:42 pm


Talking about what you wear. The loss yesterday is totally my fault. I totally zoned out after my shower and forgot to pull on my blue and gold plaid boxers. Third time that has happened this year on a game day and we lost each time.

I promise that it will not happen again.


Comment by pmdH2P 02.03.14 @ 4:44 pm

Way to man up pmdH2P

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 4:51 pm

Zanna’s injury looked to be an ankle sprain, they usually get worse before they get better. But they are all different, let’s hope he’s OK. We really need him in Miami.

It actually looked worse than Durand when it happened.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 4:54 pm

OK. Need some positive MOJO!!! Weather stinks & ours fellow Panthers have had a bad week. Put it all behind us & take care of business @ Miami & home against Va Tech!!!! Gotta get the SWAG back for Cuse!!! Soak up some FLA sun & have fun. PITT wins the next three & the past week will be as if it never happened. HAIL TO PITT!!! (pmdH2p C’mon man don’t forget the boxers again. Keep your mind on the GAME in the shower.)*******

Comment by DC33 02.03.14 @ 5:15 pm

I think I’m not going to even watch the Pitt vs ND game. It is beyond frustrating watching Pitt play these games. I can handle losing games like the Duke game. But another grind out game. Shoot me now.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.03.14 @ 5:17 pm

lol pmdH2P

You are a very bad person pmdH2P and you better boxer short up or you won’t get to Blue & Gold Heaven. :-)

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 5:17 pm

Is anybody going to the Miami game ?

For all of you that need that mid-winter break from the get me down, snow on me, get the salt off my shoes….. Northern Blues.

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 5:20 pm

So glad I don’t have to wear rubbers anymore ! haha

Comment by Emel 02.03.14 @ 5:21 pm

Did you have a vasectomy? Still a risky business with all those redheads you talk about.

Comment by gc 02.03.14 @ 5:59 pm

I guess you can get ranked even if you lose on national TV. ESPN, CBS want those TV rankings regardless. If we win all games against no nation level teams and the games are not on TV, forget it.

Comment by Frank 02.03.14 @ 6:14 pm

My biggest bone to pick with Coach Dixon is his complete stubborness to adjust, either mid game or pre game, to another opponents style. I realize that he thinks “his” way is the best way for Pitt, but if Pitt had just put minor front court pressure on UVA they could have sped up the game and taken UVA out of their slow down pace, especially on the last UVA possession.
Whether it’s the NCAA’s or regular season, it’s the same plodding 1-4 offense with JD calling every set and a tepid man to man defense with players getting caught on switches creating mismatches. Speaking of mismatches, I counted 13 of them for Pitt when UVA got caught on switches with smaller playes covering Young and Zanna inside. Not ONCE, did Pitt enter the ball to the post or drive to the bucket to take advantage of it. To me, this is on the coaching staff.

On a good note, Artis seems to be breaking out and getting more confidence on offense. Miami has dealt Pitt some heartbreaking losses in the past and this game is looming.

Comment by Dan 72 02.03.14 @ 9:57 am


#1 post of the thread IMO….mainly because I agree with Dan 100% :-)

Comment by Jackagain 02.03.14 @ 6:43 pm

Tonite’s games that can help Pitt’s RPI/seeding:

Syracuse over Notre Dame (31-18 at the half)

Howard over North Carolina A&T (Howard should win at home)

Savannah State over Florida A&M (@FA&M. Might be close)

Comment by xfmrman 02.03.14 @ 8:02 pm

Notre Dame has 4 white boys are the floor at the same time. No joke.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.03.14 @ 8:18 pm

OK, I’ve just finished reading all of the in depth analysis of this Pitt vs. UVA game. First off, things could worse, we could all be Bronco fans.

Secondly I have only one opinion and one fact to share about this Pitt game on Sunday, Pitt played like $hit and we deserved to get beat, you guys can figure out on your own which is the fact and which is the opinion!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.03.14 @ 8:38 pm

Coach Cronin obviously took a page from Coach Brey. Coach Boeheim slowed the pace at the Carrier Dome. And I am sure that Coach Brownell would have loved to have the slow pace affect Pitt when Clemson was in town. Coach Bennett learned from them.
Now, I expect Coach Larranaga will use the same strategy on Wed (especially because Miami is the slowest team in basketball). And Coach Brey will make the trip to South Bend a nightmare (at least to watch).

I hope that Pitt is learning from these games.

I was firmly in the camp of work the ball, wear the defense. Not any longer.

Pitt is not the slow, deliberate team (this year) that past teams have been. They score better in transition and when they take advantage of early opportunities.
This year’s team is more athletic and capable of working quickly.

Is it time to let them play and have fun?

Comment by xfmrman 02.03.14 @ 8:39 pm

Emel… you have a job?? can you spend so much time on here??

Comment by Keith 02.03.14 @ 8:43 pm

Jamie doesn’t believe white boys can play unless they’re 7′ tall though. Same with Mike Tomlin… 😉

Comment by Jackagain 02.03.14 @ 9:07 pm

Thank you Jackagain…EMel wins for pure volume though!

One more tidbit I picked up coaching HS BBall for a few years. When I first coached I was a raving maniac pacing the sideline, screaming at refs (baiting them actually) constantly firing up my team…we won some lost some and it took me a few years to realize that my sideline behavior was really negatively affecting my players and my decision making toward game’s end.

I had a long talk with a few well respected local coaches, attending a clinic, drank more scotch and was determined to put out a calm cool sideline appearance. I could not believe how much better I was in control of strategy during the game, how much looser my players were, and most important …now much less the parents got on my ass. We had the best year ever in my last year.

Also, I stopped being a micromanager which goes with the lunacy.

I know Jamie must know better. Slice, when he was HC at Manhatten was a very calm coach. Jamie has gotten worse and worse. red faced and screaming for almost the length of a game. His team is tight and afraid to make a mistake…no way to win at any sport. I hope he takes some counsel soon and slows it down. He appears as a lunatic at times, red faced and crazy on the sidelines. I genuinely worry about his health.

It’s fixable and needs to be addressed by his boss and fellow coaches.

Anyone remember the game last year when he just stayed cool and let his team play?

Comment by Dan 72 02.03.14 @ 9:37 pm

I saw the end of the Syracuse game and Notre Dame gave them they could handle. Even when Cooney hit the corner 3 and then cut the hoop on the following possession, to extend Syracuse’s lead to 10, Notre Dame kept coming back. The Notre Dame game is not going to an easy one for Pitt. Typically Notre Dame gives the Panthers fits

Comment by Justinian 02.03.14 @ 9:42 pm

@Justinian – don’t forget that we did the same thing to Cuse – in fact we did it first.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.03.14 @ 9:43 pm

Dan….I’m guessin’ it was the game against Albany…LOL.

Comment by Jackagain 02.03.14 @ 9:46 pm

Dan, Yes I’m with you, I think that yelling is counter productive. Paul Evans’ players would tune him out by mid season. One of the things, I liked about coaching kids, is that you could sit them down next to you and tell them what they need to do. It’s lot easier to get a point across when someone sitting next to you on the bench, then when they’re running across the court. Actually most of what you do is really in practice.

Comment by Justinian 02.03.14 @ 10:02 pm

Pitt Dad, Yes I remember the Syracuse game. With Pitt up by 3 points and one minute to play, Talib Zanna released what looked like a perfect jump-shot, but it rimmed out. If that shot falls, I think the Panthers would have won the game.

Comment by Justinian 02.03.14 @ 10:09 pm

Pitt Dad, Yes I remember the Syracuse game. With Pitt up by 3 points and one minute to play, Talib Zanna released what looked like a perfect jump-shot, but it rimmed out. If that shot falls, I think the Panthers would have won the game.

Comment by Justinian 02.03.14 @ 10:09 pm

Anyone remember the game last year when he just stayed cool and let his team play?

Comment by Dan 72 02.03.14 @ 9:37 pm

I believe it was the first DePaul game.

Comment by TVax 02.03.14 @ 10:10 pm

ESPN takes on the topic of recruitment flipping. Yep, Wednesday is going to be a big day with signing day and the BB game.

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Comment by Jackagain 02.03.14 @ 10:14 pm

From the Pitt blog by Zeise:

• Two numbers that are amazing to me – in the final 13 minutes of the Cincinnati game, the final six minutes against Syracuse and the final seven minutes against Virginia – Pitt managed to make a total of three field goals. Three field goals in the final 27 minutes of three close losses speaks volumes as to why they have lost those games.

And then there is this – In the final 7 minutes against Cincinnati, the Panthers were 4-of-8 from the free throw line, in the final 5 minutes yesterday they were 1-of-4 from the free throw line and in the final 8:28 against Syracuse they were 5-of-10 from the free throw line. That is 10-of-22 from the free throw line down the stretch of three games they lost by a total of nine points.

Those two numbers, to me, say it all in terms of why Pitt has lost these games and shows that the Panthers need to execute a lot better down the stretch in some simple things if they want to start turning these games into wins.

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Comment by Jackagain 02.03.14 @ 10:44 pm

Wait you guys are commenting on yelling? Do you not watch Duke games ever? Plenty of coaches yell a ton. Just nonsense.

You guys are off base with the letting them play stuff. Dixon isn’t the one slowing down the games on offensive end. Pitt has scored plenty in most games and was averaging second most points in ACC going into last week. The shot clock runs down on offense because VA or Cinci or Cuse are playing really good D so takes a while to get a good look. The worst thing you can do is jack up bad quick shots you miss the shot and you don’t get the ball back for another 35 seconds cause they are going to burn clock on other end. Where you speed up the game is on the defensive side of the ball.

Mind you this pace problem is only a problem against teams with really good Ds. A team that doesn’t play good D can’t just say oh lets grind it against Pitt. Pitt will tear it up.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.03.14 @ 11:29 pm

ISU-Ok State in 3 OT and neither team has used more than 7 players. Not very deep I guess.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.03.14 @ 11:45 pm

@ Keith

I own my own company so I am working when I’m posting.

Is that good or bad ?

Comment by Emel 02.04.14 @ 12:28 am

multitasking I think they call it now.

Sometimes I’m playing the piano at the same time too.

And getting entertained by a Redhead.

Life is strange…but fun !

Comment by Emel 02.04.14 @ 12:29 am

Do these kids get coached during the week and in between games?

Cause if they do, you shouldn’t need to coach them on each and every possession.

Comment by Emel 02.04.14 @ 12:33 am


To Emell

Does the PG have an anti Pitt bias? Hard to say however
the reporter covering Pitt FB is in my opinion terrible. His
commentary is weak and provides little or no insight/information/human interest. To me the assignment
of this guy to Pitt FB means this is not a priority fot the PG.

Comment by JR 02.04.14 @ 7:07 am

I think Sam Werner is getting better. The Pitt FB beat was his first big time assignment, and he also does Pitt WBB. I believe both his columns and blogs are much better written and informative now than when he initally took over for Zeise.

DiPaolo does a pretty good job also at the Trib. Trouble is both papers have PSU editors and while you will see more BB Pitt coverage than PSU (no-brainer), PSU FB gets equal billing and at times more than Pitt FB … even though both editors will swear that Pitt has more written about it. (I haven’t seen it.)

Comment by wbb 02.04.14 @ 7:39 am

jackagain, really pertinent data. Yet, who controls the ball during these critical times … JR, Patterson and Wright. Did anyone notice that Young wasn’t even on the floor for the final offensive possesion vs UVa?

I think they are better off if both Young and Artis are playing, I would sit Wright if you are playing offense-defense.

Comment by wbb 02.04.14 @ 7:43 am

A bit off topic, but in watching the Superbowl, I saw the Broncos play like Pitt football. The offensive line could not stop the defense so the quarterback could had to run around and not get his plays. The team had turnovers, usually after doing something well like a good gain or long 3rd down conversion. And, special teams gave up big plays. Also, just like Pitt, I was rooting for the Broncos (‘case I hate Pete Carroll).

Comment by Caw Miller 02.04.14 @ 7:44 am

Caw, Pitt looked better against FSU than Broncos vs Seahawks. Denver was best regular season offense ever. Shows why I want Chryst to concentrate on defensive recruiting more.

Jackagain, those stats are telling, Jamie will say more stops and more rebounds will win those games, but I call it choking or tight rectum, take your pick. How many short armed shots, poor follow-throughs, bad shot selection and missed layups and free throws have we seen? It’s called being cool under pressure, maybe Jamie’s stress level does affect the players.

This may be where the criticism of non-com is justified, the feeling of a tight game, emotion, stress, guts don’t show up when you are winning by 15.

Comment by gc 02.04.14 @ 8:37 am

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