March 19, 2013

Shocker Preparation

Filed under: Basketball,NCAA Tourney,Opponent(s) — Chas @ 1:18 pm

You know those coincidental illnesses that fell many of us right around the start of the NCAA Tournament? Yeah, I actually did get sick and it timed out horribly. It’s not a deathly illness. It’s a sinus infection that I tend to get around this time of year. If that was it, it would be annoying but tolerable as the antibiotics kick it out. It’s the sleep deprivation from continually waking up from the coughing and continual drainage issues. Just been trying to get through work.

This is by no means a gimme first round game. Not simply because this is an 8-9 match-up. Personally, I think Pitt is seeded a bit low and WSU a bit high. But a 6-11/7-10 meeting is not exactly an uncommon upset. And superficially, some similarities on the resume.

Pitt went 4-7 against RPI teams in the top 50 and 5-0 against teams ranked 51-100. Its best wins came at second-seeded Georgetown (73-45) and against fourth-seeded Syracuse (65-55).

WSU, No. 37 in the RPI, went 3-2 against the top 50 and 5-3 against teams ranked 51-100.

The teams played three common opponents, all victories. Pitt defeated Howard (70-46), Detroit (74-61) and DePaul (93-55 and 81-66). WSU defeated Howard (69-50), Detroit (94-79) and DePaul (75-62).

The Shockers best wins came at VCU (53-51) and versus Creighton (67-64) who they also lost to twice.

This year’s Wichita team is somewhat reminiscent in their story line as the 2009 Pitt teams. They had a strong, veteran team the year before. Had a great year, but found disappointment in the NCAA Tournament. This was supposed to be their rebuilding year, plus had to deal with injuries in the season. Still, they kept scraping out wins, exceeded expectations and made the NCAA Tournament.

Replacing five starters was the least of Marshall’s worries. Three of the five new starters went down with injuries at various points in the season. One of them, Evan Wessel, the top 3-point shooter when he was injured, is out for the season with a broken finger. Two others missed significant portions of the season with other injuries.

Starter Carl Hall, the top rebounder and second-leading scorer, missed seven games with a broken thumb. Ron Baker, a 6-3 freshman guard, missed 21 games with a stress fracture in his foot but returned for the Missouri Valley Conference tournament and scored 29 points in three games.

“We kept finding ways to win,” Marshall said. “We kept finding new guys. Our 11th man would become our eighth man. Finding ways to win is very gratifying for a coach.”

Both teams stress rebounding, defense and offensive efficiency. The punditry from the national to the local are expecting a grinder game.

The Shockers did not draw a patsy, or a pansy, when it comes to the Panthers. WSU, the No. 9 seed in the West Regional, and eighth-seeded Pitt are a lot of like.

Both teams stress defense. Pitt has held its opponents to 55.4 points. To score against the Panthers, you almost need to ask permission.

The Shockers have one of their best defensive teams and have held foes to 60.7 points.

Pittsburgh’s field-goal percentage defense (39.3 percent) ranks 32nd in the country. WSU is 49th, limiting opponents to 40-percent shooting.

First to 50 points wins?

It’s as if WSU coach Gregg Marshall and Pitt head man Jamie Dixon are the same guy. I don’t believe, however, that they are, despite evidence that would indicate it’s a possibility.

Marshall loves a deep bench. So does Dixon. They would slip a band member into the game if they thought it would help the team.

As for the differences. Overall, Pitt shoots the ball better from inside and out, but Wichita shots free throws better. None of the numbers though, are especially glaring separation.

—————- Shockers ——- Panthers

FG% ———— 44.3% ——– 47.5%

3FG% ———- 33.7% ——— 36.0%

2FG% ———  50.1% ———- 51.6%

eFG% ———- 50.2% ———- 52.2%

FT% ———- 68.8% ———– 66.4%

RPG ———— 38 —————- 35

APG ———— 14 —————– 17

TO/G ———– 13 —————- 11

The biggest difference is with regards to the assists to turnovers. Really that’s about it. Pitt takes a little better care of the ball and distributes a bit more.

That’s just the average stuff. The difference, offensively is where they get their production. The Shockers leading scorers are in their front court. A pair of 6-8 forwards in Cleanthony Early and Carl Hall. Early is a lot like USF’s Victor Rudd in that, despite his size, he will shoot from outside with frequency. Over 1/3 of his attempts are 3s (31.2 % on threes).

It suggests that Hall and Early get a number of buckets on offensive rebounds. How Pitt’s frontcourt contains them and battles for rebounds will go a long way towards determining what kind of game it will be.

Tempo wise, they are in the lower part of the country with 64.8 possessions per 40 minutes (254th) while Pitt is among the absolute slowest at 60.9 (335th). Again, not huge differences so no significant advantage.

In that respect, both teams won’t have to make any significant adjustments to the way they practice or preparation for the opponent.


I have no special pre-game preparation in store. You learn to win by winning.
I expect the Panthers to win.

Comment by sfpitt 03.19.13 @ 1:41 pm

Pitt has never beaten a higher seed in this golden age of Pitt basketball – Post Gazette.

Write it down. If Pitt loses to Wichita State, it will NOT be your ordinary loss. The impact is going to be felt.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.19.13 @ 1:45 pm

Can that crap we aren’t going to lose you pessimistic prognosticating supposed pitt fan.(the nicest thing I could think of to call you,but not what I was thinking)

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.19.13 @ 1:52 pm

‘The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential… these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence.’


Comment by TX Panther 03.19.13 @ 2:10 pm

I just can’t believe that even though the game is being played much closer to the west coast… we STILL have to suffer through a game-start before 2pm.

Comment by Benzene 03.19.13 @ 2:19 pm

I am tired of this thev sky is falling mentality.I don’t care what the Post gazette says.They have never given our program the support that any major college team would get anywhwere else.They are a big time backslapper of the sorry ass pirates and our pens always get plenty of coverage but unless we are competing for a national title the high school girls section gets about the same notice.The trib isn’t much better.Yes our kids have let us down before ,so what,Thursday we get another chance and this time I know they will be trying their best to get it right.Why not support them rather than keep kicking around past failures.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.19.13 @ 2:22 pm

Then when we get done recanting past failures we csn speculate about what will happen after future imagined ones.Then we will all be lower than whale dung.I have a better idea ,let’s win,plan on winning and keep winning.It is a whole lot more fun.By the way the Post Gazette hasn’t put out a decent sports section in the modern era either.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.19.13 @ 2:31 pm

@spirit – I will keep saying it, and maybe it’s just me, but I would rather be optimistic and disappointed than pessimistic and right. This team can go as far as it chooses to. The coaches coach and then the players have to go out and execute. As far as I can tell, no one from the PG or the Trib will be on the court in any capacity.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.19.13 @ 2:44 pm

The Trib is out of Greensburg (PSU territory) and the head of the Post Gazette sports dept. is a PSU grad.

I’m just hoping that Pitt somehow decides to play two halfs for a change…a loss here could help cement Dixon as being a March loser among recruits.

A win over the Zags would be huge in dispelling the notion…..this tournament is very important for the program IMO.

Comment by Jackagain 03.19.13 @ 2:53 pm

plenty of ammo if jamie wants to play up the ‘us vs. the world’ card…only 1 out of 5 SI writers picked pitt to beat gonzaga. seth davis has pitt losing to WSU!

Comment by scott 03.19.13 @ 2:58 pm

PittofDreams: what impact are you speaking of? Anything specific or just speaking in platitudes?

It doesn’t take balls to go on a Pitt Blog (or multiple blogs in your case) and spout off generalities disguised as a prediction while not making a prediction so that you can pound your chest either way regardless of the outcome.

Comment by crazylegs 03.19.13 @ 3:02 pm

Didn’t we just play a game on a Thursday at 2pm EST.

Oy Vey !

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 3:03 pm

I too am recovering from the Pitt Ides of Marchitis.

Think I’ve gone thru a box of kleenex or two in 4 or 5 days. Thank God the cough has subsided, hope you feel better Chas.

Didn’t think it might be related, but I never get sick so………maybe it is.

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 3:06 pm

I knew we played at a Turtles pace…….

but according to those stats, 335th (of 347)

a Turtles pace would be to quick,

it’s more a snails pace. Yikes

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 3:23 pm

spiritofsection22 and crazylegs… So much sensitivity.

If you’ve spent some time reading this blog you’d know that I would not qualify as a pessimist.

I would hope that Pitt will win against a 9th seed.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.19.13 @ 3:29 pm

Scott, you seem shocked that Seth Davis has Pitt losing to WSU….. I think the only reason I’m going to pick Pitt to win is because it’s my school. I’d be surprised if more “experts” don’t pick WSU because unfortunately, I’ve seen this movie before. We get seeded lower than we think we should, and should be pissed off about it and come out and kick someone’s ass, and we wind up not being mentally ready and lose to someone like Pacific.

Comment by J-man 03.19.13 @ 3:38 pm

I don’t like getting my hopes up only to have them dashed, which has happened consistently in this tourney with the Panthers.

So to me, Jamie Dixon, a fine and admirable man with a fine and admirable program, is Marty Schottenheimer. Until he proves that he isn’t.

So I root for them but always expect that they will find a way to lose earlier than expected in this tournament.

Sorry if that doesn’t fit others’ viewpoint on proper fan behavior.

Comment by BATR 03.19.13 @ 3:43 pm

In the half-court, Pitt wants to force opponents to play D for 25+ seconds every possession. And they score at the high rate of 1.17 pts/pos (D1 avg is 1 pt/pos). This is one of their best attributes.

Statistically, this team (Kenpom #7) is very similar to the ’09 (Kenpom #5) and ’11 (Kenpom #4) teams. Those were better in Offensive Efficiency. But this year’s team is far better in Defensive Efficiency, TOs (both on O and D) and blocking shots.

This team is most like the ’07 team (Kenpom #13) that lost to UCLA in the Sweet 16.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 3:55 pm

More concerned with the impact of playing
on West coast time than the opponent.
Given the venue I believe Pitt is at
a distinct disadvantage.

Does anyone know when the team is

Comment by JR 03.19.13 @ 4:00 pm

Would love to see Pitt play the Zags. The
be fired up.

Comment by JR 03.19.13 @ 4:03 pm

Elevation above mean sea level.
The Pete: 1079′
Charles Koch Arena, Wichita, KS: 1371′
EnergySolutions Arena, Salt Lake City, UT: 4270′
McCarthey Athletic Center, Spokane, WA: 1894′

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 4:19 pm

But time differential is 2 hours for Pitt and 1 hour for Wichita. Easier to travel west my friends. Pitt will be fine. They just need to eat a good brunch and drink plenty of water. Then go out and be aggressive and don’t stop until we win the whole dang thing.

Comment by TX Panther 03.19.13 @ 4:54 pm

Being positive, I hope the team stays in LA after winning two games in San Jose.

Comment by Frank MD 03.19.13 @ 5:02 pm

Chas, a sinus infection is better than what has become the most common excuse for missing Thursday or Friday .. getting the tubes snipped. I will take the Z-Pak anyday.

I’m afraid I’m not up on the new stats (I still prefer RBIs) What is eFG%?

Comment by wbb 03.19.13 @ 5:04 pm

Pittofdreams ,sorry but your post really set me off,I am so sick of all the negatve garbage that goes along with peoples huge expectations.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.19.13 @ 5:15 pm

doctor frank ,”California dreamin”,I love that tune.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.19.13 @ 5:17 pm

With the higher altitude we ought to be jumping right out of the Gym.

Pitt Dad, I like the philosophy, but I’d rather be optimistic and right. Anythings possible.

Comment by gc 03.19.13 @ 5:31 pm

nice breakdown Hail to PITT

Comment by 63 team 03.19.13 @ 5:41 pm

@gc – I could not agree more. Anything IS possible.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.19.13 @ 5:49 pm

My Thursday morning, prep talk for the Panthers, 10 deep basketball squad. You can’t change yesterday, tomorrow remains to be seen. My question,,,,,,,,,, what are you intending to do about TODAY? MY SUGGESTION, GO OUT AND KICK SOME A$$.

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.19.13 @ 5:50 pm


eFG% is the effective field goal %.
Combine 2pt% and 3pt%. You get 50% more pts on a made 3, so the eFG% reflects that.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:07 pm

Statistically, this team (Kenpom #7) is very similar to the ’09 (Kenpom #5) and ’11 (Kenpom #4) teams. Those were better in Offensive Efficiency. But this year’s team is far better in Defensive Efficiency, TOs (both on O and D) and blocking shots.

This team is most like the ’07 team (Kenpom #13) that lost to UCLA in the Sweet 16.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 3:55 pm

Me thinks the numbers are skewwed this year to the really weak non-con schedule.

Those were some of the worst teams in D1 smaller conf’s we played.

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 6:09 pm

Does anyone know when the team is

Comment by JR 03.19.13 @ 4:00 pm

I think we left by stagecoach, this morning.

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 6:11 pm

Although that may be true, over the course of a 30+ game season, the sample size should be large enough for season/season comparisons.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:14 pm

We need much more contribution from the bench than we got in the last one & done game.

That being 7 points & 4 rebounds in 49 minutes.

With Durand Durand scoring 5 of those points.

We really don’t have the firepower from the starting five (5) to rely on them winning the game.

Of all a sudden last game, the bench minutes got cut drastically, after that being a major part of this team in some big wins. Somebody got cold feet.

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 6:15 pm

Anybody have an update on Sleepy’s condition ??

With the stitches and the cuts, his right eye looked a boxer’s eye.

Comment by EMel 03.19.13 @ 6:19 pm

On Sunday, Dante did mot practice. But he said he would on Mon, and be ready for Thurs.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:21 pm

*not (not mot)

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:21 pm

Does anyone know if a Pitt Blather Bracket is going to be started?

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:36 pm

BobbyMo up 7-0 on KY.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:39 pm

I’m out of market, 600 miles south of the Cathedral and I just learned Directv no longer has the package. Any of you gents know about broadcast options?

Comment by Old School Panther 03.19.13 @ 6:41 pm

Now 10-0

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 6:45 pm

EMel, KenPom adjusts for strength of schedule and strength of opponents.

The writer on picked a Pitt upset against the Zags

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.19.13 @ 6:52 pm

Our guys show up and let it all hang out,we can make a run.It doesn’t matter who we play,all that matters is that we come to play.We can do it!

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.19.13 @ 7:52 pm

Bobby Mo holding a 10 point lead.

Comment by panther94 03.19.13 @ 8:07 pm

Virginia with a tough draw in the NIT, playing a team that went 16-0 in their conference.

Comment by panther94 03.19.13 @ 8:09 pm

Old School…it should be online somewhere.

Comment by Jackagain 03.19.13 @ 8:13 pm

Viginia is the same team that lost at home to Del in the Pre-Season NIT. (Which hurt Pitt at MSG)
Maybe they wanted to book-end the seaason with home NIT (upset) losses.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 8:14 pm

What about

Comment by panther94 03.19.13 @ 8:15 pm

Robert Morris wins.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 8:41 pm

Congratulations RMU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by alcofan 03.19.13 @ 8:41 pm

Robert Morris takes down Kentucky. I like it.

Comment by panther94 03.19.13 @ 8:41 pm

Robert Morris 12 for 12 on free throws. Pay attention Panthers! This coach will get a new job with 4 x’s the salary next year!

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.19.13 @ 8:43 pm

TBS Directv 247 has the game live. Thanks for your help. Cannot wait. LET’S GO PITT!

Comment by Old School Panther 03.19.13 @ 9:05 pm

The heck with Sean replacing Jamie … hire Andy Toole!!

Comment by wbb 03.19.13 @ 9:09 pm

Heck of game by Robert Morris. When I turned on the TV they were leading 22 to 14. When Kentucky got it to 1 point, I thought they would steam roll over them in the 2nd half. I couldn’t believe in the 2nd half when Robert Morris extended their lead to 13 points. Robert Morris just played a tough gritty game. Two of their best players were out at the end one with leg cramps and other on the flagrant foul ejection. Let’s hope the Panthers play the same way against Witicha State and Gonzaga.

Comment by Justinian 03.19.13 @ 9:23 pm

Blue Blood goes down!!

Great win Bobby Mo!!!!

@wbb, nephew never did get tickets. When he came out of his class, it was sold out.

Watched the game on the tube, very enjoyable!!!

Comment by Dan 03.19.13 @ 9:27 pm

RMU an 8 seed beat UK the 1 seed.

Lets have a little deja vu all over again for another Pgh team after taking care of business Thursday.

Comment by TVax 03.19.13 @ 9:30 pm

The announcers doing the telecast said that when the game schedule was determined, Kentucky fans got Andy Toole’s email and sent him a bunch of trash talking emails. I guess Toole gets the last laugh. What a big win on national TV for the Robert Morris players.

Comment by Justinian 03.19.13 @ 9:37 pm

Let’s remember VCU won the 2010 CBI.
In 2011, they went 12-6 in the CAA. They lost to ODU in the CAA tourney finals.
Then they had to Play-in to the NCAA as an 11 seed against USC. VCU then went on to beat #6 Georgetown, #3 Purdue, #10 Fla St. and #1 Kansas.
They lost in the Final Four to #8 Butler.
Like VCU did, I would love to see Pitt use their 2012 CBI experience (post season success) as a motivator in the NCAA, and make a nice run.

Comment by xfmrman 03.19.13 @ 9:46 pm

Real nice win….great for those guys after getting screwed in the Villanova game a while back.

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.19.13 @ 9:47 pm

Woo hoo! Way to go Bobby Mo!



Comment by Pitt Dad 03.19.13 @ 9:51 pm

Just to reiterate. This game is on TBS, a widely viewed cable channel. In fact, I already forwarded the TBS channel guide to Thursday and it lists our game followed by the Zags.
We have a healthy team that is good enough to beat anybody on any day. To me, that’s worth rooting for with everything I’ve got. Let’s Go Pitt!!!

Comment by pittman4ever 03.19.13 @ 9:52 pm

Good to see that there is nothing but calm among our fans as we await Thursday’s game! There’s no use making any predicition. The game will take care of itself. I don’t care if we win by 1 as long as we win.

I love Jamie Dixon and Pitt but (forgive me above fans) do not see any way we beat Wichita State.

Survive and move on Panthers!

Comment by Dan 72 03.19.13 @ 9:53 pm


Comment by FRANKCAN 03.19.13 @ 10:01 pm

WTF Dan72. Are you kidding me? Why are you even on here if that’s your attitude?

Comment by panther94 03.19.13 @ 10:19 pm

I’m giving you the benefit of doubt…that’s your reverse jinx…right?

Comment by panther94 03.19.13 @ 10:34 pm

Again, here’s the TV schedule:

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.19.13 @ 10:37 pm

Yes, what about the Blather pool. I want a chance to be a homer. Pitt all the way.

Comment by TX Panther 03.19.13 @ 11:26 pm

I am in a department pool at work here in east Cleveland area. Of course, there is a Big 10 bias here, the guy I work near has an all B10 Final 4.

Needless to say, I am very Big East oriented and have Pitt losing to in the Elite 8 to New Mexico. I have LVille winning it all, but this year, anything can happen.

Comment by wbb 03.20.13 @ 6:56 am

BTW, did anyone notice that the ACC had only 4 teams in the tourney? As usual, they have a few very good teams and then mostly crap.

Comment by wbb 03.20.13 @ 6:57 am

That FT stat from the RMU game is very telling. They shoot like Pitt usually does from the FT line and the headlines are quite different.

Despite their various shortcomings, probably as much as anything, poor FT shooting has cost this team some games. Really hoping that, in general, the team has worked a LOT on FT shooting over the last few days, that Dixon has run Zanna through drills everyday that force him to keep the MFing ball UP, and that Adams has watched videos of Blake Griffin and Lebron James attacking the rim as if they want to tear the freakin’ thing down.

Tomorrow at 1:40 cannot come soon enough!

Comment by Carmen 03.20.13 @ 7:27 am

The ACC will have 4 more tourney teams next year. Tobacco Road will eventually become Madison Avenue.

Comment by TX Panther 03.20.13 @ 7:28 am

I’m always one to be positive about Pitt BB and Dixon and I won’t be bad mouthing them even if they lose by 20 in first game. It’s overall been a very good season for Pitt BB.

But I also can’t fault those on this board who are pessimistic about Pitt’s chances both Thursday (and if they win) on Saturday.
Until Dixon and Pitt actually performs in the tourney it’s valid to expect the worst.

For those on here who are calling out the people who are careful you are putting yourself in the same class as those PSU fans who still thought and acted as though PSU was an elite college football team (before Sandusky fallout)……facts show otherwise.

Dixon will get to Pitt to the Final Four at some point..I would bet the house on it..maybe with a little luck this will be the year.

Comment by milo bloom 03.20.13 @ 8:30 am

From your lips milo to the big mans ear! Congrats to RMU it was awesome to see coach Cal get a home cooked meal. I flipped to the Denver @ OKC game. Obviously we all know HCGK’s pedigree (irony that Moon Twp & Penn Hills representing). He coaches a tempo that many of us would love to see our panthers play. I mean, the best offense is a great defense – so take the rock, hit the open man & go to the hole!
TCB from the TIP. H2P 1 TIME for the love of mankind!

Comment by ptbreezeb 03.20.13 @ 9:00 am

Yesterday, it was the Post Gazette. Some blamed it on anti-Pitt agenda.

However, today, the Trib Review is taking its turn.

“Under Dixon, the Panthers have never beaten a higher-seeded team. They’ve been upset three times by opponents seeded seven or more spots lower.

And if you toss out the silly College Basketball Invitational last spring, the Panthers are now 7-9 in all postseason play over the past five years…

When one man is the common denominator, that’s where the fingers point.”

Comment by PittofDreams 03.20.13 @ 9:41 am

Bottom line… Jamie would really do himself well with a strong first week… a win against Wichita and a strong showing, if not an upset, against Gonzaga.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.20.13 @ 9:45 am

milo,If Jamie goes ped I’ll sit quietly while posters rip away but I refuse to sit silently by while posters blow huge dark clouds over the program that are more a series of bad breaks than any true shortcomings,all the while ignoring the great accomplishments that are the reality.I would expect our detractors to point out our horible record of underacheivment in the tournament,but what would motivate Pitt fans to harp on it and even project further imaginary misery into our future other than stinking thinking.I am silly enough to actually think fans make a diference.I find fault with Dixon too.I get pissed when I hear him praise Howland as an example,but every article here draws posters calling and projecting Dixon to be replaced with Sean Miller.That is absurdly negative garbage and if they keep throwing it up I will wear out my fingers knocking it down.Expecting the worst,how can that have a positive effect on any avenue of life.Are people so fragile that the only way they can tolerate failure is to plan for it? I think not.I think NC St.would have lost about 10 in a row in 83 with that approach.Instead they won it all and beat the best in the process.HTP

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 9:47 am

@ Emel, Sleepy is OK with the elbowed eye. 7 stitches and swelling now greatly reduced. Saw it in this morning’s paper.

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.20.13 @ 9:53 am

Trying to stir up emotions and add some gas to the fire Panther 94! Guess I succeeded.

Comment by Dan 72 03.20.13 @ 10:04 am

My concern with Dixon is that he has these kids so tight – they are afraid to try anything other than how they are programmed. Bad D leads to benching, shooting too quickly leads too benching, which leads to slow starts and bad finishes. Look at RM last night – they played inspired hoops!

Comment by markp 03.20.13 @ 10:07 am

@Spirit I admire your fight (and spirit) for Pitt BB…..I’m behind you that all is very well with Pitt BB regardless of what they do tomorrow and hopefully Sat.

..but you can’t ignore history..there really is very little that says this year will be any different expect that we hope that will not be the case…the newspapers point out that Dixon has never beaten a higher because it’s a fact and they could be playing a #1 on Saturday as a #8 seed…If Dixon does win that makes the story that much better…if they didn’t report that then they aren’t a very good newspaper.

Also going back to a scenario that happened 30 years ago (NC State) doesn’t help your point much. Pitt’s recent history in the tourney is a lot more relevant.
And fans don’t make a difference unless playing on a home court…you really think because your being blindly positive about Pitt that Steve Adams will make his free throws?????

Comment by milo bloom 03.20.13 @ 10:08 am

President Obama picked Gonzaga ove Pitt, but he was only 1 of 4 on his final 4 picks last year. I’m taking Pitt over Witchita State, and I think if the Panthers get past the Shockers, the Zags will be in for a surprize.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Justinian 03.20.13 @ 10:09 am

You did indeed, Dan 72.

Comment by panther94 03.20.13 @ 10:21 am

PittofDreams, unless you win it all, you have a loss in each tournament, If we were one and done in the Big East, there are 5 losses, I guess that means we have had 7 wins in 4 years in the NCAA’s, I would think that would put us above the mean. You have to win 2 to be above 50%, that means sweet sixteen.

Jamie is carrying a gorilla on his back until he makes a final four or at least beats a higher seed. That means he has to beat Gonzaga this year to eliminate the criticism that is inevitable otherwise. You and I might not agree with it, but it is what it is.

If I was forced to bet $1000 on the game, I would pick Wichita, If we lose at least I won $1000, If we win its worth a grand to me.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 10:25 am

I guess we shouldn’t expect our local press establishment to offer anything but ridicule, when our own fans are bent on a sure to fail mentality.We lost to Butler an 8 seed who went on to play in the championship game when we were a 1 seed.How that turns into “lost 3 times to teams 7spots lower”is a perfect example of where this negative bs takes you.Into a land of imagined failure that is sure to predict the future.Stinking thinking,loser mentality fans ,and a negative exploiting press,sounds like a recipe for sure misery to me.I prefer to look at how this years team has had moments of excellence that could still uncover a team that could make us all extremely proud.I prefer to be excited at a chance within our reach to play a team seeded 7 higher.I prefer to dream of winning and don’t care what our second rate local papers call news.Steve Adams wore a brace on his shooting hand for half the season,did any newspaper report it?Did you see any pictures of the team leaving for Salt Lake in either paper?Our media sucks,our team doesn’t.In fact this is a very good team that I insist on supporting even if I were the only fan they had.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 10:27 am

Predicting a win or loss makes no difference at all, unless you are Mohammed Ali or Broadway Joe.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 10:31 am

Pittof dreams,More proof of where this negative bs leads.How did we manage to lose 9 times in the NCAA tournament in the last 5 years one of which we didn’t even play in.That would be the most amazing accomplishment of any college team in history.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 10:43 am

@Spirit..who’s not supporting the team??…most of on this board are just doing it rationally.

We probably don’t invest as much emotionally as perhaps you do.(I do enough with my checkbook and I would never invest that much emotionally on something I have no control over).
However I applaud you for doing so….

and what I am saying is that you are dead wrong to lash out at those that are just pointing out what is the elephant in the room when it comes to NCAA tourney and Dixon/Pitt. The history is there..this team is similar to other teams..I hope they break thru this year but anyone who’s betting with there head and not there heart is betting that Pitt is going home quickly.
Local press does fine when it comes to Pitt..what you have to remember is they have percentage wise more readers that don’t care for Pitt BBall then do…not the case with Pirates, Steelers and Pens.

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 10:45 am

First, Taylor got an accidental head butt in the BE tourney, not an elbow.

Secondly, does anyone actually know JD’s rotation philosophy? From what I see, rotation seems to be pre-programmed rather than it being game situation dependent or dynamic. Has this ever been brought out with Dixon in post game or other interviews.

Comment by TVax 03.20.13 @ 10:46 am

Pitt 95 Wichita St. 34

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 10:48 am

Seeding means nothing at this point. We, as well as just about any team in the tourney, can beat anyone. I think the way we win these games will come down to coaching – making adjustments and throwing a few change ups in the mix to keep opponents confused. I’d like to see the tempo pushed from time to time and maybe even some active zone defense.

Comment by MoE 03.20.13 @ 10:52 am

Milo,I know you might find this silly ,but yes I think if all of us believe it would go in.I also think that what we can imagine and believe can be willed to happen.NC St. is just one example but there are so many more.I also believe negative thinking ,bad karma, will stop good things from happening. Do you think Apolo 13 would have made it back if not for people praying it home?If it had been up to us and our local papers it would have burned up on reentry for sure.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 10:55 am

#8 in the seeding…#1 in our hearts. Pitt beats WSU by 12!

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 03.20.13 @ 10:56 am

Please, let the games begin, the natives are getting just too frickin restless!!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.20.13 @ 10:57 am

I’m trying to figure our who the 5th top-50 RPI game was against for the Shockers?
– Creighton they played 3 times (1-2)
– VCU they played once (1-0)

That’s 2-2, but who is the 5th? I think this may be some hometown reporting.

I’ll say it again, this would be a very bad loss if we loose to the Shockers. It is NOT a gimme, no game against mid-seeded teams will be. But Wich St is getting too much credit.

And I jsut noticed Dan 72’s comments. Dan 72, you’re obviously a troll. Stop posting.

Comment by PantherP 03.20.13 @ 10:58 am

Just a word of caution here. The biggest constant in winning programs is coaching. I remember back when Jackie Sherrill left, everyone was saying we have the program now. Well, that program wasn’t the maintained without him.

Comment by Justinian 03.20.13 @ 10:59 am

i’m a big dixon fan but the reality is his pitt teams have underachieved in the big dance. i actually think part of forde’s description of gonzaga’s worst case scenario applies to jamie: “Few[zags’ coach] tightens up under the pressure of the No. 1 seed and transfers that anxiety to his players, who miss a ton of open shots.” jamie never looks calm on the sideline; think that rubs off on pitt’s players in a negative way in march. i know jamie’s intense but geez act like ya been there before!

Comment by scott 03.20.13 @ 11:05 am

And then noticed dan 72’s subsequent post. I get your trying to stoke fire, but seriously everyone — our nerves are going to be on the fritz no matter the opponent. Its really hard to stomach the persistently negative, and persistently irrational, fans here.

This would be a huge loss, and further to the above comments — it would be felt because this time, unlike some of the past flukes, we are UNDER-seeded against a team we should beat. There were bad losses, but each could be justified — they had D Wade, or A. Gates, or payed in the national title game, or came down to the last possession. Pacific and Bradley were the worst and are hard to excuse but could be called flukes and happened early enough in Dixon’s career that he could be excused.

Now, no excuses against the Shockers. Their RPI is inflated because of wonky conference stats. They haven’t beaten anyone but VCU (sorry Creighton is not very good) and haven’t played a team (other than Creighton) in the top 50 of ANY poll or ranking system since November. We have to win or I will feel this wound deep in my soul for a long long time.

Comment by PantherP 03.20.13 @ 11:06 am

MILO,Ranting on and on about past failures is not support,overstating past failures over and over again is not support,calling for a coaching change is not support,predicting losses is not support.It’s negative crap and I insist on standing here against it.If I am wrong show me logical benefit to Pitt basketball from constantly pointing out past failures.Show me how ‘this team’ can benefit from discussions of a coaching change and I will join in.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 11:08 am

Pantherp,we are going to win,it won’t help to worry about a wound that isn’t going to be inflicted.In fact it will only make it more likely to happen.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 11:13 am

Thanks Spirit — i agree.

I think what will distinguish us is rebounding. Wich St has equal numbers, but against lesser competition. Also, a lot of their points seems to come off Rebs, so as long as we neutralize that a bit, that reverberates into advantages in almost every other areas (shooting % on both sides, possession/efficiency, etc).

Anything can happen. We all know that. And we have to come out strong. Another huge advantage is that Wich St isn’t used to playing high-quality teams. But if we can punch them in the mouth, either right at the start, or at some point later in the game with a nice run when things settle in, we’ll be in good shape.

Comment by PantherP 03.20.13 @ 11:34 am

The formula that is in place will work,Rebound ,tight D,Don’t turn the ball over.Execution is how we will win,dance with the girl that got you to the dance.Dance her better than the other guy dances his.Ain’t no cornpone chuckin shocker gonna beat this team.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 11:52 am

here is the thing i read that 95 percent of the
teams that win the big dance have future pro first
round draft choice on the team.
so maybe it isent dixons fult that he has lost in the NCAA except that he cant recruit good enough players.
may be if the kid stays for another year maybe
next year is the year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 11:53 am

Tis but a scratch.

Comment by TX Panther 03.20.13 @ 11:54 am

What’s wrong with this year.Never will there be a year with so many beatable teams.Softest teams at the top in 20 years.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 11:55 am

Had worse.

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 11:59 am

How many years in a row does Dixon have to underachieve before you get it? The season ended @Depaul. It was a good season. Now its over. Move on.

Comment by John Ramella 03.20.13 @ 12:15 pm

To win, Pitt needs to stop playing just one half wof good basketball (a year long trend) instead of two, and make free throws at 70% or better…a tall order for this team IMO. They may be able to squeak past WS with defense and rebounding alone but not against the Zags.

An early exit loss to WS would set back recruiting for Dixon IMO and continue the perception that Pitt stinks in the Tournament. Pitt will start to look like present day PSU football……good regular season with great fans and home games but no post season…

A good win in the first game and a close loss to the Zags won’t hurt Pitt one bit…especially starting two freshmen. Getting to the Sweet 16 could hurl Pitt into a whole new era in the eyes of recruits and help put behind us the Forde perception.

BTW…the pessimists here are no more ‘irrational’ than the optimists. The optimists have zero Pitt history to back them concerning the post season…

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 12:18 pm

spirtofsection 22 take a chill pill and 2 shots
of JD and relax bro.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 12:36 pm

From the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission, not Southeast Conference) website:

“This year’s top-performing mutual funds aren’t necessarily going to be next year’s best performers. It’s not uncommon for a fund to have better-than-average performance one year and mediocre or below-average performance the following year. That’s why the SEC requires funds to tell investors that a fund’s past performance does not necessarily predict future results.”

Same thing is true of basketball teams (see Kentucky 2012 vs. 2013 results).

I agree that Pitt has not lived up to its potential in past years but these games are being played by different players against different opponents in different venues. Therefore, I choose to believe that they will exceed expectations if they play at the level of their best games this season. Nothing in the past (other than the weight of history if it has been pounded in their heads) has any bearing on any game being played now.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 12:43 pm

you keep calling out pitt brothers and pitt fans
just becuse we live in the real world and not
a make beleave one.
we want to win as much as you but facts are facts
and we deal with them until they are proved wrong
like the brothers say we have been a tad
bad in post season maybe it will change but untill it does that is all we have to go on.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 12:47 pm

@PantherP..disagree that this would be a huge loss..I’m not sure anything can be worse than the Butler loss two years ago especially for how they lost it. are correct I do think that is silly and yes I do NOT believe prayer had anything to do with Apollo 13 coming home safely..if the team that had the most fans that prayed the most won each time we would have Liberty playing Notre Dame in championship game each year..

How a person chooses to support a team is entirely up the individual and not going to condemn for that..but I have no problem calling out people who write incorrect generalizations to stir up the pot like saying Dixon is a bad coach and needs to be fired (FRANKCAN) or is terrible team because they never been to Final Four…but I think it is fair to attack Dixon’s and Pitt’s tourney record and then predict similar results this year based on what they’ve done in the past.

Again, I hope this is the year..I actually I think it may be because I think it’s the first time probably since when they were a #9 seed that they have nothing to lose…….
if they get to the Gonzaga game…everyone expects them to lose it (accept you of course) and Gonzaga is going to have a ton of pressure to win it. It might allow Pitt to play a lot looser and we’ll see some great performances from the team.

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 12:53 pm

Why the pessimism? Here’s why: since 2000, Pitt has been to the Sweet 16 six times, which is pretty damn impressive. Only 5 other programs have been to the Sw16 more often during that stretch: Duke, Kansas, Mich St, Kentucky, UNC. 4 other schools have also been there six times: UConn, UCLA, Wisky, Arizona. That’s some lofty company to keep. Here’s the problem…Pitt is the ONLY one of these teams to have not made it to the Final Four over that time. Clearly Pitt has found a formula for consistency but not yet found a way to break into the next tier of elite programs. I don’t see any evidence this year’s team will be the team to do it. I’ll be rooting that I and my fellow nattering nabobs of negativity are proven wrong.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.20.13 @ 12:54 pm

Well put FRANKCAN..though still don’t want to see Dixon replaced with Miller.

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 12:55 pm

One of the things I’ve always loved about Pitt Blather is that its a place to go and be miserable after our many disappointments and get out our frsutrations. If spirit wants everyone to just be a cheerleader 24 hours a day and pretend that we are something we clearly are not then I suggest putting on a skirt and buying some pom poms.

I love Pitt as much as every other alum on this board but I also deal in reality and I am begging for Pitt football and basketball to prove me wrong. For once, I would really like to be wrong.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.20.13 @ 12:56 pm

Dead on Coach Ditka.

Less than 24 more hours of talk and then we’ll see.

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 1:06 pm


Southern Miss is the other top 50 win for WSU

Comment by TVax 03.20.13 @ 1:06 pm

Frankcan,Then stick to the facts,PItt did not lose 9 games in 5 years in the NCAA as posted here and has not lost to 3 teams seeded 7 lower places as posted here.Live life in a misery “Pitt”all you want but don’t expect me to sit here and buy into the whale dung with you.I choose to look on the bright side and I am not some Polyanna I just know that we aren’t under some negative spell and although the breaks haven’t come our way yet doesn’t prove it isn’t about to now.I also don’t think Dixon is a great coach all year and suddenly is an idiot in March.I also don’t think Miller has anything on Dixon.The grass always looks greener and hindsight isn’t even close to reality on this site because the negativity is so huge some posters even abuse the already bad history and make it sound worse.I will not cease to point it out.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 1:18 pm

@Coach Ditka – I don’t think everyone on here has to be a cheerleader and I appreciate reading points in opposition to mine. It’s no fun to read just those who agree with me nor do I learn anything by it. That being said, I think what others are expressing is a frustration with tone not substance. It is a problem inherent in this form of written, asynchronous communication. We get only the flat words, typed out and have to infer intent and emotion. Our inferences are not always accurate and that can lead the discussion off track.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 1:24 pm

Ditka,I’ll gladly put on some Pom Poms if that is what it would take for posters like you to step outside of your depressed gloom and doom,let’s pass the misery around to the point that we obscure the truth negatively to prove Pitt will never suceed mentality.Try to look at how great we have it.Kentucky has a site if you really need to moan the day away.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 1:25 pm

@Coach Ditka – I don’t think everyone on here has to be a cheerleader and I appreciate reading points in opposition to mine. It’s no fun to read just those who agree with me nor do I learn anything by it. That being said, I think what others are expressing is a frustration with tone not substance. It is a problem inherent in this form of written, asynchronous communication. We get only the flat words, typed out and have to infer intent and emotion. Our inferences are not always accurate and that can lead the discussion off track.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 1:24 pm

Well put.

Comment by xfmrman 03.20.13 @ 1:27 pm

milobloom i have never said dixon should be fired read all my past post .
i have said i dont think he can take us to next level but that is not the same as saying i want hem fired i have said he is a great reg season coach which he is but not so goos in the post season and if he was good in post season we would not be haveing this talk.
do i say miller time yes i do who would not want a good coach that is a pitt grad.
but i would never fire dixon unless he stoped wining in the reg season and miller time is just a way of voiceing my frustion over a loss.
do i think dixon is a great coach no i dont a very good coaxh yes and a great man yes he is but a great coach no
read my past posts i have never said fire dixon.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 1:28 pm

Pitt dad,particularly when those posting are depressed after a long winter that doesn’t want to leave and whatever other negatives are in their lives.I am not against reasoned criticism or even flat out bitching,but when it gets to the point that people are making bad history into worse history I insist it stop or you will have to outpost me.I have the next 4 days off to watch hoops if any of you negative bozos out there want to have at it.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 1:31 pm

For spiritofsection22 –Lyrics by Eric Idle

“Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
Don’t grumble, give a whistle
And this’ll help things turn out for the best…

And…always look on the bright side of life…
Always look on the light side of life…”


“And always look on the bright side of life…
Always look on the right side of life…
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life…
Always look on the bright side of life…
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life…
(I mean – what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing – you’re going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life…”

Comment by milo bloom 03.20.13 @ 1:33 pm

@ Coach Ditka and all others who “deal in reality”, wouldn’t it be nice for Pitt to come out and play UNreal for just one tournament? Lets do a Star Trek impression this year and “boldly go where no Pitt man has gone before”!

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.20.13 @ 1:34 pm

Frankcan,do you speak out against those who do? No you add fuel to the fire by posting at best halfway support.He is the best coach Pitt ever had and I hope sean does great things in Arizona,but Dixon is our coach,you guys need to get off his back.Try starting by posting something you like about him for every 2 times you find fault.Don’t exagerate and don’t rewrite history with an extra negative slant.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 1:39 pm

OK FRANKCAN..I detracted the word fired..but you are calling for Miller over Dixon which is pretty much the same thing…to get to one you have to do the other.

Being a Pitt grad means nothing to me as far as being a coach candidate for Pitt…all the best coaches Pitt had started with no Pitt ties…Majors(in the 70’s), Sherill, Howland, Dixon (if you consider him when he came with Howland and I’ll even say Harris since he did get a dead program off it’s feet. All the ones with Pitt ties have been busts..Fago, Wanny, Majors (the 2nd time).
And I’ve said it before even if it made a difference Dixon’s been here 14 years now!! Miller has a total of 6 years. Who’s more Pitt now? Being a Pitt guy should have zero factor when picking a coach.

Comment by milo bloom 03.20.13 @ 1:41 pm

Frankcan,”if he was as good in the post season we wouldn’t be having this talk” I disagree,half of youn guys would complain no matter what,and if ther wasn’t something you could moan about you would lose interest. I am going to do my best to clean it up around here so get with some good hoop conversation without abusing this team or you are gonn a hear from me.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 1:44 pm

Why Pitt will never win a national championship…..

link to

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 1:44 pm

song for us at about 4:00 tomorrow (written by another British funnyman, Charlie Chaplin):

Smile though your heart is aching
Smile even though it’s breaking.
When there are clouds in the sky you’ll get by.

If you smile through your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You’ll see the sun come shining through for you.
Light up your face with gladness,

Hide every trace of sadness.
Although a tear may be ever so near
That’s the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what’s the use of crying.
You’ll find that life is still worthwhile-If you just smile.

(actually, I think Pitt will win)


Comment by wbb 03.20.13 @ 1:45 pm

Thanks TVax.

The rest of yinz. Jesus christ. All of you posting about how Pitt’s so bad in the post season under Dixon, you are forgetting that Pitt’s had more post season appearances and more post-season success in the Dixon-Howland era then ever in its history.

Ditka – we don’t need cheerleaders. But just would prefer Constructive criticism that has at least a semblance of perspective. Yeah, some of it is tone over substance that I’m putt off by. But a lot of it is people coming on just to post comments like John Ramella. Ie trolls.

Comment by PantherP 03.20.13 @ 1:46 pm

Are people still allowed to put their opinions on the Pitt Blather???

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 1:47 pm

spiritofsection 22 then you all so should stick to the facts check all my past posts i have never said dixon should be fired i have said i dont think he
can take us to next level but have never said i want him fired,
and 4 weeks ago a national posting had listed pitt as one of the 5 worst teams as far as winning the games it should in the post season ncaas
it said pitt is one of the worst becuse they
undeachive in the NCAA so often do you think they make this stuff up they dont

and check this out i dont even care if they win it all just beat the teams that they should beat
beat the teams that are a 10 seed when pitt is a 4 seed and get to a few final eights one in a blue moon and dont lose to kent state of the world.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 1:49 pm


I am SOOOOO glad that my life doesn’t revolve around redundantly spewing agruments on a sports blog. MAKE YOUR POINT AND MOVE ON. Most here can comprehend and understand. Reading the SAME thing over and over is tiring. It is getting as bad as Smizik’s blog.

The bottom line is Sports is FRIVOLITY. A mere distraction from daily life. The University will go on and thrive whether or not our basketball team beats the Shockers. Go pet your dogs.

Comment by pghFred 03.20.13 @ 1:50 pm

Hear Hear Dr. Tom!

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 03.20.13 @ 1:50 pm


I am SOOOOO glad that my life doesn’t revolve around redundantly spewing agruments on a sports blog. MAKE YOUR POINT AND MOVE ON. Most here can comprehend and understand. Reading the SAME thing over and over is tiring. It is getting as bad as Smizik’s blog.

The bottom line is Sports is FRIVOLITY. A mere distraction from daily life. The University will go on and thrive whether or not our basketball team beats the Shockers. If we lose, go pet your dogs.

Comment by pghFred 03.20.13 @ 1:51 pm

sorry for double post…..Ironic considering the content though….

Comment by pghFred 03.20.13 @ 1:52 pm

Jackagain – not too worked up about UK. Year after year they have rosters full of blue chips. One thing goes bad (Noel injured) and they’re losing to Bobby Mo in the NIT.

Seriously, even without Noel, UK should have been a top 10 team if were based on the recruiting rankings of their roster. It takes more than that.

Also whoever said next year is the year we should have hopes for — I actually agree. Anything after a rd 1 victory is gravy (though i htn kwe can beat Zaga). Next year, if Adams stays (and he will) so long as everyone is pretty healthy we hav a hell of a team.

Comment by PantherP 03.20.13 @ 1:57 pm

Dr. Tom…I think this could be the year they do that…like I posted before..this is first time since probably when they were seeded #9 there is no real pressure on the team (more so after first game.) Maybe they’ll be able to play real loose and we’ll see a unreal game by all.

If they get by WS I like their chances against Gonzaga.

PantherP..nobody is forgeting how many times Pitt has gotten to the tourney..that’s not the point..I see nothing wrong with discussing what Pitt does once in tourney. need to stop the name calling…and you stated “I am not against reasoned criticism or even flat out bitching”…..uh actually from your other posts you most definitely are against is talking about Dixon and Pitt’s record in tourney not ‘reasoned criticism’ As a famous coach once are what your record says you are’
…..and you are most definitely against ‘flat out bitching’…according to you we all should have blind faith that Pitt will win NC this year and that negative vibes will prevent that from happening.

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 2:02 pm

Frankcannobody singled you out as saying you wanted him fired,but you are definitely part of the problem I am attempting to correct.When was the last post that you posted that had a positive message.If you have to go back more than 5 posts then you should shut up.If you have something negative to add fine but why should we have to swallow a steady diet of your negative crap. Don’t these kids ever do anything you like?

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 2:03 pm

PghFred..that’s what these boards are for :-)

It’s a place to kill time until we have real games to watch. I for one don’t take any of this stuff serious..just a fun distraction. Thanks for letting us know you don’t either…really added to the conversation (dripping with sarcasm.)

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 2:07 pm

milo – you’re fired! I’m hiring Miller.

Comment by pghFred 03.20.13 @ 2:09 pm

Milo spin it anyway you want,I think this is a very good team and hope and think we have agreat chance to make a nice run.It seems very fashionable to recant our every shortcoming and even overstate those shortcomings by making crap up,and that is what set me off.Did we lose 9 games in 5 years in The NCAAs?Did we lose to teams seeded 7 below us 3 times? That is unreasonable bs and I stand against it.Why don’t you?

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 2:10 pm

DAN we are now going to be told how to think and what to say buy spiritofsction 22 may be he is
commissar from the ussr.
it dont work that way spirt this is a free country
wait till EMel gets a hold of spirt you dont tell
EMel how to think.
DAN cant belive you have not litinto this guy yet.

spirit understand you are gungho but dont cross the line with personal attacks on brothers we try not to do that on here and every one thinks different.
even JD was walcome with his ideas bye the way were has jd been have not hard from him in a long time.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 2:12 pm

Spirit what exactly did I spin?…and who is making stuff up? I take that one personal. Surely wasn’t me..none of those things you mentioned I wrote? Your attacking anyone who says the slightest thing negative about Pitt..that is what I am calling you out for. (and calling names which is uncool as well.)

If you read all of my posts you’ll know your first sentence I totally agree with.

Comment by milobloom 03.20.13 @ 2:21 pm

Frank, it’s like a car wreck, you don’t want to look, but who amongst us can turn away???


Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 2:26 pm

spiritofsection i noticed how you skiped over the part
were the national posting said pitt was one of the 5 worst teams as far as winning the game it should
in the NCCA.
as far as my posting on bb this year i have not posted much at all

if i have been over negative i dont think so as for to day yes i have been on a lot but that is your fult becuse you want to tell people how to think and want them to shake there poms poms

i think i have nailed it you are a kid i will bet you are 15 or under we get kids on here from time to time they cause a lot of trouble you are one i think.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 2:29 pm

DAN read spirt post carefully he is a kid trying to sound grownup.
i know i nailed it every time youg kids get on here we have trouble only pk who is 17 makes sence from time to time.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 2:35 pm

Turned 60 last october,I bet you are at least my age lonely and drink a lot to ease your misery.quit dumping it on us.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 2:40 pm

Spirit – What day in October? Just wondering.

Comment by TVax 03.20.13 @ 2:44 pm

Just caught Jamie’s press conference on ESPNU.

He was asked what it takes to win in the tournament. He said four things:

1) Ability to win close games – other teams are good too, no byes in the tourney

2) Breaks – close games can come down to a play or two and sometimes the team that gets a break and maybe wins a game they shouldn’t have early goes on to win the whole thing

3) Defense – didn’t elaborate

4) MAKE SHOTS AT THE END OF CLOCK – either the end of the shot clock or end of half, end of game. Also need to defend those plays.

He’s right on the money.

Pitt has gotten a few bad breaks (the refereeing in the Nova game, the Nasir call on the free throw line against Butler, etc.). To some extent you make your own luck in life, and I believe in Kharma and confidence (watch “Survive and Advance” 30 for 30. But it would be nice to get a few good bounces, calls.

But really the key is that ability to hit shots when needed. Pitt has never had that player who was a) Clutch and b) could get his own shot. Defense toughen up, everybody plays solid, running sets will only get you so far. Sometimes it just comes down to one guy being able to get (and hit) his own shot when things break down.

My fear, Pitt STILL doesn’t have that guy. Woodall is too small, Paterson is too slow and reluctant to take over, Moore too streaky, Zanna not explosive, and Adams needs someone to get him the ball. Robinson may eventualy be that guy, but not now.

Comment by boubacar aw 03.20.13 @ 2:48 pm

A child, a troll, or someone who forgot to take their meds perhaps.

Doing a good job of running this post into the ground!!!

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 2:52 pm

Like Mike Tomlin just said the other day….good teams win the close games…no excuses.

And asking Dixon what it takes to win in the Tournament is like asking Neal Huntington what it takes to win a pennant. (ducking brick thrown by spirit)

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 2:56 pm

spirt i am 68 married for 47 years very happy
have a son liveing at home we talk do eat to much
do drink now and then and love to smoke have sence i was 12.
dont have any thing to be sad abought love pitt
but i live in the real world not a dream
and you can bull shit a bull shiter but you cant bull shit me nobody says the things you do unless they have not lived life yet.

you are a young kid or you would not be telling people how to think it is easy to see you dont have a clue .

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 2:59 pm

Pitt is missing a ‘go to’ guy. But, Jamie knows the formula. Pitt can’t be cursed forever.

Comment by TX Panther 03.20.13 @ 3:01 pm

We can’t do this and can’t do that,you clowns are running down my favorite basketball team,don’t they ever do anything right because you never seem to notice.oh that’s right you are objective.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 3:01 pm

@FRANKCAN, you don’t have to explain yourself to anyone on here.

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 3:03 pm

One more time – does anyone actually know JD’s rotation/substitution philosophy? From what I see, rotation seems to be pre-programmed rather than being game situation dependent or dynamic.
Has this ever been brought out with Dixon in post game or other interviews.

Or does anyone have an opinion on this. I believe he should play everyone early in the pre-season but shorten the bench as BE conference starts. I think a team can’t become as cohesive with 10 mixing rather than 7 or 8 key players. If you use the 10 to relentlessly press and defend beyond the half court, then I get it. This has never been Pitt’s m.o.
Too often Pitt has become known for their number of quality bench players, and yet IMO, that spreading thin of playing time helps for the season wins but hurts at tournament time.

Comment by TVax 03.20.13 @ 3:05 pm

Jamie Dixon will not win or lose the game tomorrow. It will be the players.

Jim Boeheim, didn’t win the championship, it was Carmello Anthony, Hakim Warrick and Gerry McNamara.

It was Kemba Walker not his coach.

Players get hot during tournaments, not coaches. Guys make plays, shots, steals, blocks. Coaches call a time out, call up a play. It’s the player that has to execute.

Dixon has done his job getting teams to the dance.

It’s the players that need to make the plays. Our guys have not made enough when it counts at crunch time.

Anyone can make a five foot putt, but can you make it on the eighteenth hole with everybody watching, when it really counts.

That’s what it takes to be a winner. Tough to take, but Scottie Reynolds was a winner. Talib Zanna missed a foul shot to tie the game, there are plenty of other examples (Nasir). Guys that have the chance, but blow it.

Blame Dixon if you want but we need someone on our side to be a winner tomorrow.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 3:06 pm

CBS is reporting that Syracuse BB is being investigated for serious violations over a 12 year period.

Maybe Boeheim will soon be following Calhoun into retirement

Comment by wbb 03.20.13 @ 3:07 pm

when was the last time you posted anthing that resembled positive frankcan?

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 3:10 pm

Wouldn’t it funny if the ACC voids Cuse and replaces them with Cincy instead? ESPN has nothing on this yet….

link to

UCLA has to be paying players…refs too (ask Miller). No way Shabazz plays there without the $.
Kentucky will be next…

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 3:17 pm

Calling Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard.

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 3:17 pm

It was Danny Marino that threw a pass to John Brown to win the Sugar Bowl, not Jackie Sherrill, It was Tony D that ran for 303 yards to beat ND for the first time in a zillion tries, not Johnny Majors.

Great players make great plays in Big Games.

We need someone(s) to be great tomorrow.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 3:19 pm

spirt says we are all clowns cant belive you are leting this kid talk to us like that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 3:21 pm

Frankcan….I seldom read his posts because he doesn’t use paragraphs or sentence breaks. My eyes class over…

I think maybe he works at the Pitt office…or maybe spirit is Dixon’s wife :-)

It’s all in fun anyway…kind a hedge if Pitt loses tomorrow too…LOL

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 3:29 pm

Frank, have a brew!!!

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 3:35 pm

You have to wonder why the same teams always get the 5 star players. It’s not all about tradition.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 3:36 pm

SPIRT POSTIVE 2 or 3 days ago i said they had a
great reg season and said good job.something like that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 3:37 pm

There is a reason why Coach Cal gets the best recruits and why he has lost two Final 4s. The administration at Pitt has chosen not to play the game that Coach Cal and other schools play. That’s why Coach Cal didn’t get the job at Pitt when Howland left even though he really wanted it.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.20.13 @ 3:40 pm

Meant gc

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 3:41 pm

boubacar aw, excellent observations. When that SU 3 went down at the end of the 1st half I knew it was curtains.

Comment by steve1 03.20.13 @ 3:42 pm

DAN did you see that the ACC has replaced the big east on the big monday game on ESPN starting next year for basketball.
that is very nice time slot to have.
and do to the fact that espn will be geting more bb games from us and with ND comeing on bord for 5 football games we might be up to 20 million when
we redo the tv deal becuse of that next year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 3:47 pm

frankcan,Nice you get carried away and say something good for us 10 year olds to see once or twice a week.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 3:47 pm

i knew you were a kid no kids aloud on here come back when you grow up.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 3:52 pm

All the ones with Pitt ties have been busts..Fago, Wanny, Majors (the 2nd time).

Comment by milo bloom 03.20.13 @ 1:41 pm

Got to make a correction. Pitt’s greatest coach EVER was a PITT man.

That being the legendary Jock Sutherland.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 3:53 pm

@ Dr. Tom

Thanks for the info on Sleepy’s condition !

Hope he doesn’t play tentative.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 3:54 pm

DAN he is 10 years old i knew he was a kid .

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 3:54 pm

Glad to hear I am not the only 60s’ plus on this site.

Never, can I remember so much angst on this board before the first NCAA Game. Remember, this is a blog…where opinion’s are posted…not alwasys shared, but posted.

My real opinion of the game is this…If Pitt plays this game and stays ahead or close, I think they will win easily. If WSU starts hitting threes and gets up 7-9 points, it will be very difficult for Pitt to win. This is a bunch of JC Transfers who have overachieved. They have 2 6’8″ post players who can really score. I think Adams, for all his offensive failings, is a terrific defensive player…maybe in the top 10 in the country.

I would love to see Sleepy at the 4, or Adams at the 5 and Sleepy at the 5. Either way, get them both on the floor at the same time.

If Pitt does stay ahead I think the final score will look like 59-48 Pitt.

What I think or any of us thinks, has nothing to do with the reality of the game tomorrow…so it is just a bunch of hot air…to be discussed.

Hail to Pitt….Go get em Panthers!!

Comment by Dan 72 03.20.13 @ 3:57 pm

Ok my Pitt bro’s.

Time to end all the infighting and rally around the

“Pitt Script” Flag.

We got a huge game tomorrow and we all need to be united behind a big Pitt win.

Let’s get some positive vibes going.

Hail to Pitt !!
Chop the Chaff !

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 3:58 pm

EMel good to have you on here
watch it this kid spirt wants to tell you how to think. i know you wont put up with that.
go get him EMel.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 3:58 pm

Re: Cuse investigation – according to one article (link to, Southerland was forced to sit 6 games this year due to “impermissable benefits.” One of the games he missed was against Pitt. Perhaps he shouldn’t have been allowed to play in the BET. Might have made a difference for us there too.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 4:02 pm

Stand behind Emel
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
A. Lincoln

Comment by SFPitt 03.20.13 @ 4:03 pm

From Troy Nunes…:

“Update 2: John O’Brien at the Post-Standard elaborates on some details that might come into play, including the way the 2007 sexual assault case involving Jonny Flynn, Scoop Jardine and Rick Jackson was handled and how that might be a part of the discussion.

The NCAA’s interest in the sexual assault case dates back to 2007 or 2008, when SU philosophy professor Sam Gorovitz called the association’s then-president, Myles Brand, and spoke to him directly. Gorovitz knew Brand from days when they were on a committee with the American Philosophical Association.

Ridpath, the former compliance officer, said the NCAA puts a four-year statute of limitations on most infractions. But there’s no expiration date for investigating more serious cases of “gross, willful and wanton disregard for the rules,” he said.

NOW you should be worried.”

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 4:05 pm

I thought Sutherland had academic issues causing him to miss several games.Jack Sherill was the best coach in the modern era but he couldn’t get us to national championship so I guess he would have gotten fried here too.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 4:21 pm

If Syracuse is being investigated by the NCAA it sure didn’t matter to their ‘Selection’ committee as they got a 4 seed and a pretty easy road to a matchup with IU in the Sweet 16.

Which would be a rematch of the 1987 (?) Championship game me thinks.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 4:25 pm

It wasn’t Jackie’s fault that he had two 11-1 Top 5 teams bypassed by the Bigger Bowls and we ended up with no way to win the National Championship playing lesser teams in the Gator Bowl.

That was all purely College Bowl game politics.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 4:28 pm

@spirit – we were led to believe at the time it was academic. Now it turns out it was an NCAA sanction for impermissible benefits. Ryan Boatwright got 6 games last year because his mom took a trip to UConn. Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo cases were also “impermissible benefits.” The length of the punishment is based on the amount as well as cooperation from the school and player. Myck Kabongo was treated more harshly, as was Bush/USC, because they stonewalled. The cover-up is almost always worse than the crime.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 4:33 pm

Surely the players have to make the plays…to win big games.

But great players make great plays. Sherrill recruited great players. Roy Williams and Coach K recruit great players. It’s up to the coaches to recruit those type of players who are far more likely to make great plays than average to good players.

As far as Pitt hoops we’ve only had 2 great players in this Howland/Dixon era.
Those being of course Sam Young who almost shot our way into the Final 4 and DeJuan Blair.

Not coincidentally that was the ONLY year we reached the Elite 8 in this era.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 4:36 pm

@Emel – I will grant you that great players make great plays and that Sam and DeJuan are, perhaps, our best in this era. Having stipulated to both your premise and assumptions, who were the great players that beat Pitt in the heartbreaking games? I know where D Wade is. But what is Shelvin Mack up to and how is he demonstrating continuing greatness? Matt Howard is in France now. Scottie Reynolds? Turkey.

While great players make great plays, every once in a while an average player achieves momentary greatness. We just happen to have the bad luck of running into a few. But so have other teams. My hope is that this year it is our average guys who find that spark of greatness.


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 4:44 pm

spirt i have hard no one on this post ever say
dixon should be fired only you blame pople of that may be it is metal slip on your part
may be you want him fired

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 4:45 pm

I do like a clean program even if it means sacrificing a national title. I do want some semblance of student athletes. I do want coaches and the admin to do the right thing when they see wrong or harm. I never want Pitt to be Pedo State or a football mill and I never want to forget that there is more to life than sports. Its just a game.

Comment by TX Panther 03.20.13 @ 4:57 pm

EMel DAN the ACC is shiting a brick over this
the orange are turning red over this

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 5:07 pm

@Pit Dad

I will certainly join you in hoping one of good players does something tomorrow to achieve momentary greatness.

And you are correct, that other than D. Wade & Antonio Gates, none of the others that played a large role in defeating Pitt teams were great players. Which makes it even harder to bear.

I mean you don’t mind losing to the Duke’s, the UNC’s, the Kansas’s, teams that are littered with future NBA players, But perhaps that is why so many on here are so frustrated, we aren’t losing to those types of teams.

Tomorrow begins a new chapter in Pitt post-season play. Nothing that has happened in the past will or should effect this game.

Wichita has two 6-8 guys that average 13 ppg. They are NOT great players. They don’t have any great players. We don’t have any great players either. So tell me,,,,,should it not make….for a great game. :-)

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 5:09 pm

Can’t wait for the “open thread” tomorrow, should be must see blog vee.

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 5:36 pm

From W. Shakespeare – The Twelfth Night:

“Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them”. – (Act II, Scene V).


Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 6:01 pm

I am f#cking sick and f#cking tired of listening to people in Pgh calling shows saying “Pitt will lose because..” and then saying that we lose in the first round every year, JD can’t win the big one..
If there are 10 people in Pgh outside this blog who know a damn thing about college hoops I’ll kiss their ass under Kaufmanns clock (my escape clause is that it is Macy’s).
Take it from one who has lived elsewhere: there is a Yinzer mentality. It is rooted in the way of life that encourages criticizing things you know absolutely nothing about.
Expert critic at everything, doer of nothing:
By Gawd they’re depressing people to be around.
Never been ahtta Alleginnie cahnty n’at, but know everything.

Comment by SFPitt 03.20.13 @ 6:11 pm

Frankcan ,I will be at the Penn Monroe in Monroeville tomorow by noon,I am taking vaction time to watch the tournament and like at least 6 games within my veiw at once when I watch the first day.I will be glad to buy you and your son a beer just to prove I am old enough to do so.I don’t want to come across as someone who is demanding others think like me,however I think when people continually dredge up the worst of our programs failings and even overstate them to the point of gross over exagerationt it is time to resist agressively that type of bs.I love pitt I want to see us succeed and I like Jamie Dixon and am proud he is our coach.You sir might consider being a tad less critical and a little more open to the idea that he knows more about how to make it all work than you.My guess is he does,although I am sure you know way more than me.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 6:20 pm

were in the hell has JD gone have not seen
a post from him in a coons age.
SF Pitt i used to do that tell people i will meet you under kaufmanns clock have not hard that one for a while..

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 6:27 pm


lol, best not to listen to those “yinzer” shows.

Those shows … this blog get way more calls when Pitt loses.

We are in a city with ppl who defend the pedophiles of Creepy Valley and the two drunks in Hooterville. So….what can one expect.

As for the game and Pitt basketball and for our general well being. We desperately need to win this game tomorrow.

As the program seems to have hit a plateau and we seem to be treading water.

A good run this year, sets the stage for a huge run next year.

Let’s go Pitt !

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 6:32 pm

Last place I lived in da Burg was the Racquet Club Apts. in Monroeville right by the mall. I think the named changed to the Oxford Club.

Loved that place and their 5 star healthclub, pool, outside & inside bar and coed steamroom.

Great place to pick up hot girls. lol

Nothing like that down here in Charlotte :-(

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 6:37 pm

Emel,I remember Bucky Dent hitting a homerun against the Red Sox to win the American League title in a playoff game.Sometimes average players do amazing things.That can happen tomorow but won’t be necessary if we just execute what we are taught to do.Rebound,Play solid team D and don’t turn the ball over.It won’t look fancy but it will win.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 6:38 pm

sperit i have never overstated any thing every thing i have said is in print or i would not have said it.
and in print bye men who know more then me
men who livehood depends on what they write.
you are the one who throws around overstatemes as to what outhers say.or dont say.
may be you need to go back and read all the old posts,

or as dan says get back on your pills chill

LOOK HOW YOU JUMPED ON MILOBLOOM who was with you 75 percent of the time. go back and read what he told you he said for you to chill becuse you are going over board you are out of control
and you are not always right i know that is a shock to you but it is true and half of what you think i said i dident so get a grip and if you are really a grown up act like one and dont tell oithers what to think.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 6:46 pm

Emel,I live on the other side of the hill from the raquet club at Belmont Ridge, Great pool,fireplaces and our share of the hotties.My sister lives in Charlotte at Ballentine Crossing,house overlooks the 8th fairway,a lot of high class country club types.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 6:48 pm

We all want the same thing–for Pitt to win. Where we differ is how we deal with the uncertainty beforehand. Stay cool, Pitt bros…not much longer to go.

Comment by panther94 03.20.13 @ 6:50 pm

fRANK,You are obviously so loaded you can’t even get close to making any sense.Milo isn’t moaning you are.Think what you want,but think for a change instead of constantly berating our team their coach and me.You insisted I was a child and I am not and I offered to prove it in a generous way.If that isn’t good enough for you come on by tomorow and I’ll be glad to kick you and your kids ass if that would be your preference.Glad to oblige you either way.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 6:57 pm

spiritofsection22, what, you some kind of asshole or something???

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 7:08 pm

Frankcan, The last thing that I should do is wade in on your verbal jousting with Spirit. Just one small point, I and I assume others have interpreted your call for Miller Time as a call for Dixon’s head.

Recently, you say that you don’t want him fired. I applaud you for that, and am very glad to hear it.

The written word is not as effective as face to face speech. It is hard to pick up sarcasm, humor and other inferences without facial expressions, body language etc.

I have a friend that I love to talk to, but when he emails me it always sounds like he is pissed off and lecturing me.

I think we can all disagree without being disagreeable.

And I am sure almost all of us agree that we want our Panthers to open up a can of Whoopass tomorrow.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 7:13 pm


lol I lived at Belmont Ridge when it was brand new, was the first person to ever live in my Apt.
So I know about it, having lived there.

Belmont didn’t come close to comparing to the Racquet Club when Belmont was brand new. Not many apt complexes in Pgh gave you a free membership to a 5 star health/tennis/racquetball club. In fact I didnt know of any other that did.

That’s neat you have a sis in Ballentyne know that area very well. I live on the one of the fairways at River Hills CC however I don’t consider myself a snobby CC type.

Just a Pittsburgher displaced in the South !!

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 7:15 pm

You guys need to go to your corners.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 7:15 pm

While we all will be pulling hard for our men’s Bball team against WSU, don’t forget that our current EWL champs send their finest grapplers to Iowa to challenge the collegiate best 3/21- 23! Let’s go Bonaccoursi, Garbinsky, Mack, the Thamusseits, Tasser and the Wilps. That’s a real SUPER 8! Hail Panther wrestling! UPone

Comment by UPone 03.20.13 @ 7:24 pm

spiritofsection 22 go back and read milobloom post to you at 202 pm this afeter noon and will will see
who is telling the trurh.
you would not want any part of my son he is 6 foot 2 and 258 pounds and fought 2 men at once and beat them ihis frend has it on film and even though i am old i am 6 foot and 247 pounds and was a very mean man when i was young gang fights and shiy like that carryed a gun in my jacket till i was 25 and my wife talked some sence into me.
but i would not do that stuff now nor would my sson i think you should be ashamed of your self and chas could ban you for that,
you need to stop drinking what ever ir is and go lay down.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 7:26 pm

“i’ll be glad to kick you and your sons ass”.

What is that? Elementary school?

That has to be the most childish comment ever posted on the Pitt Blather.

You win pal, you win hands down.

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 7:29 pm

Emel ,the whole area is on the decline because westinghouse moved to cranberry.I can’t wait to see the tourney tomorow,it is about my favorite day of the year.I sure hope Pitt is ready to roll I have them winning 3 games in my pool.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 7:30 pm

gc i idi not threaten any one nor have i been the one on attack i think you need to speak to spirt not me .

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 7:32 pm

EMel this is not like you spirit is clearley out of control and you say nothing what is with that bud

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 7:36 pm

At least we can all agree that we love Pitt. I just hope that the players have the same type of intensity for 40 minutes tomorrow that we see on here today.
@spirit – I feel your pain. I hardly post on here anymore and avoid the Blather altogether after a loss.Too many “Miller times” and other BS. It’s easy to think that most Pitt fans hate Dixon & Chryst. Maybe they do? Or maybe it’s just built up frustration?

Either way, it gets old. I come here ’cause I love Pitt, not to see it trashed in print day after day.

But you will never convince people to be different. Trying just makes you seem like a bully or troll.

@Frankcan, Everybody on here knows you bleed for Pitt. But the negativity does get old sometimes. That’s why pk got frustrated last year. No, it’s not just you or even mainly you. I could list many who only post after losses. I usually love your posts win or lose.

As for me, I get mad and shut the tv off or tick my wife off with a barrage of shouting. 2 years ago after a sack by a certain qb she even made me leave the house during the game because I was too obnoxious. lol

As for me, Dixon has won more BE games, BE tourney games, BE tourneys, NCAA tourney games, made Sweet 16’s, Elite 8’s than all other Pitt coaches in my memory. So I say it’s got to be “Dixon time”.

If we lose, we’ll be better next year. It keeps me going. HTP

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.20.13 @ 7:39 pm

I am not a child and I offered to prove it in a generous way,but you kept pushing.I haven’t had a fight in 30 years and I certainly am not looking for one but I ain’t taking any more crap from you so drop it,or push it I don’t care.I am not your 12 year old and you know where I will be and where I live.Beers or bops,whatever turns you on.If it is bops you better bring the kid though you’ll need him.

Comment by spiritofsection22 03.20.13 @ 7:41 pm

I don’t think there’s any reason, why anyone should threaten anyone on here.

None of us are getting paid by Pitt’s AD dept nor do any of us have a livelihood dependent on Pitt sports.
(i’m assuming ) (unless we have prof. bettors on here, haha)

As gc or someone said, it’s easy to misconstrue some of what is written whether is was meant as sarcasm, etc.

Everyone needs to chill, apologize if necessary and remember 99% of us want Pitt to win tomorrow, the next game, the next game, etc., and win the NC.

As Rodney King said (ikr):

Can we all just get along :-)

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 7:49 pm

As the late Don Cornelius used to say, “peace, love, and soul.”

Comment by Scott 78 03.20.13 @ 7:53 pm

Changing the subject slightly, I saw in the transactions column that Jaylen Bond is transferring out of Texas. Any chance he lands at Pitt?

Comment by Scott 78 03.20.13 @ 7:56 pm

spirtofsection you are the one who kept pushing
and beer or bops do you relize how childish you sound.
go read what milobloom said to you on his post at
202 pm this after noon.
and you are lucky i grew up un like you or you would be in such a bad way.
becuse i was not kiding abought the gang fights or carrying a gun i used to all the time and my
son really did beat to men at once and one was biger then he and he is really 258 pounds and works out every day but you nrrd not worry i only do that stuff now if some one treads on me and i am 175 miles away and to crown up for that now.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 8:01 pm


Good question.

Maybe Coach will politely ask Zeigler & Wright to transfer.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 8:12 pm

Spirit you went too far, Frankcan, you need to let it go.

You have to be able to debate without making it personal.

You are both better than this.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 8:12 pm

Love to see Durand Durand moved to the 2 next year.

That kid can shoot and he’s not afraid to shoot.

Exactly what you need in a 2.

Comment by EMel 03.20.13 @ 8:14 pm

Agreed Emel, and he can drive to the hoop, the one skill most lacking for a long time.

Comment by gc 03.20.13 @ 8:17 pm

I’m afraid you and I might be the last two who remember Kaufmanns clock as the place to pucker up do to speak!

Comment by SFPitt 03.20.13 @ 8:24 pm

The 2 is one of our biggest questions next year. I would love to Durand develop his ballhanding enough to do that. If he can handle the ball better, I love his size, shoting and mentality at that position. If he can’t play the 2, he will be buried at the 3 next year.

Otherwise I think Wright is the best for the job. Best defender and a better offensive threat than Zeigler (not hard to do.).

But I would not be surprised to see Josh Newkirk and Chris JOnes get a shot. But I won’t jupm on their bandwagon until they actually play D-1 ball. But I really sense the Dixon loves the extra ball handling this year with Woodall and Robinson at the same time.

And I can’t see Bond coming here after he was shown the door once already. According to Dokish his handlers may have wanted him out of here anyway.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.20.13 @ 8:25 pm

There should be one apology.

From spiritofsection22 to FRANKCAN.

He’s the only one that brought up anything physical.

Even if only talk on a blog, there is no place for that behavior on here.

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 8:27 pm

bowling green panther do you know how many times i have posted it is miller time this year 5 times in a whole year. i have spent more time defending my right to say it is miller time than the times i have posted it.
and as far as being neg.
i only post stuff i read except once and then zeise
posted the same thing that i had said weeks ago
ask EMel he read what zeise posted and it was the same as what i said and i posted what dockish said and got raked over the coals for that
what would this site be if we all talked drivel
and held hands and said how great the coachs are never point out things that go wrong never post what is in the paper or what the talking heads say
you would be bored to death.
do you remmber even chas thought the hire of house was a bad deal for dc but who got racked over the coals for saying it me.
and Wbb said if dixon or miller were to come here as a new coach he would hire miller.
but who catchs hell me come on man

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 8:27 pm

Bowling Green Panther….you have it all wrong…you’re supposed to come here and rant after a loss and have peace in you family 😉

Penn Monroe huh…I installed their air cleaners years ago and used to service them…good food. It’s Ed Bouchette’s hang out….anyway, can’t wait until tomorrow…should be real interesting….it’ll be either a real good time or Miller time…lol

Comment by Jackagain 03.20.13 @ 8:39 pm

DAN THANKS for that you know i am not a bad person at least not any more even if i was once. i did not start this. but i will be big enough to end it.
spiritfaection 22 i will not post abought any thing you say and you dont post abought what i say.
i dont exist for for you dont exist for me DAN IS THAT FAIR.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 8:40 pm

Pitt Dad, or should I call you Malvolio. Hopefully our Pitt Panthers will show enough greatness to win a few games tomorrow and Saturday. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Justinian 03.20.13 @ 8:47 pm


Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 8:51 pm

Emel — didnt see anyone threatening anyone but if that did happen it’s way out of line.

We are all allowed to post opinions, and my opinion happens to be that you are all idiots.

kidding, but seriously, I believe (as do a bunch of stat nerds like Peter Keating for ESPN) Pitt’s gonna run Wich ST outta the gym and Dixon will then finally beat a higher seed. We’ll see. HTP

Comment by PantherP 03.20.13 @ 8:53 pm

No shortage of passion on this site. Can we all pull together tomorrow? Pitt will need the positive karma.

And can you really be a Pitt Fan if you have not been admonished/asked to leave by your wife/sig other/ girlfriend (or all of them together) for yelling at the TV during a Pitt game.

We need some magic! NOW!

Comment by Dan 72 03.20.13 @ 8:55 pm

@frankcan — the bond transfer was only in the transactions column. There was no story on it.

Comment by Scott 78 03.20.13 @ 8:55 pm

I really appreciate all the hard work you do on this site, but Chas please get control over this message board. This used to be the place for intelligent, spirited, and mostly rational discussion for all things Pitt. The tone of it has certainly changed over the last month or so. Unfortunately I’m noticing some of the old posters on here no longer do, and I suppose it’s not hard to figure out why. If I want to read a bunch of comments from clowns going at it trailer-park style then I’ll visit a WVU fansite. Most of you guys are better than this. Let’s go Pitt. I’m out.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 03.20.13 @ 8:57 pm

@Dan 72 – I have been admonished by my SONS for yelling at the TV – – and they are Pitt alums!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 8:57 pm

And, for the record, solid Pitt fans.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.20.13 @ 8:58 pm

yes i have been told that i get to upset at the tv
who are you yelling at stop it .
is my wife saying turn it off if you cant stand it but i cant do that can you.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 9:21 pm

@WorkinOnMyPittness. Agreed.

Not only that, I can almost pinpoint when it took a different tone.

The thread during, and/or right after the Notre Dame fiasco.

Many came on rantly, rightly so, how could you not after that mess??

Several people came on and starting questioning posters loyalty, negativeness (blah, blah, blah), and why they would even bother coming on.

Other than todays posts, I would be one of the ones you’re talking about.

My comments have gone down severely since.

I know some people can get called out for being negative, but that night and after, it was like you could hardly even bring up a question, without being lambasted as some “hater” or “negative” person.

Funny, because most would tell you I’m pro Chryst and pro Dixon and pretty upbeat about the athletic program and where it’s heading.

Still, it’s a sports blog, it should be like sitting around a bar with friends, you don’t slam down others opinions and thoughts.

It’s definitely devolved the past month.

It’s childish we’re even discussing this issue.

Certainly banter back and forth, absolutely, but the vile tone????

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 9:29 pm

Here’s another thought for some.

I know this sounds really, really crazy and off the wall. I mean this thought is really out of left field and ridiculous but…………..

if you don’t like someones post or don’t agree………………….

I know, it’s wacko…………..

scroll past it and move on!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 03.20.13 @ 9:31 pm

Get a good night’s rest Panthers. Not much to do late at night in Salt Lake anyway. Be relentless tomorrow and don’t forget to kickem when they’re down and kickem all around.

Comment by TX Panther 03.20.13 @ 9:34 pm

TX PANTHER and DAN nite nite sleep well

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.20.13 @ 9:49 pm

+1 TX Panther
+1 Dan

Comment by panther94 03.20.13 @ 9:50 pm

Hail to PITT!

Win this first one for my liver!

Win the next three for all of us…GOD knows we deserve it after all these years.

Comment by BomberSunshine 03.20.13 @ 11:10 pm

I believe that that this is what PantherP was talking about:

link to

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 1:02 am

Does anyone know if the game will be streaming online anywhere?

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 6:38 am

I’ll be watching this game at work today. I’ve strategically scheduled meetings around this game and placed a false meeting in its place so that I can close my office door and hopefully enjoy a win. If people hear F bombs, then I will be exposed so I must be very careful to successfully pull off this caper.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 6:49 am

If you believe in stats like I do, then you aren’t really worried about the Shockers. I just want a game against the Zags on Saturday so that Pitt can do the shocking.

Coach Ditka, there is a March Madness app that has every game and I think the games are streaming on

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 6:51 am

T’was the night before GAMEDAY and flowing through my mind was a vision of play the Panthers finally find. Robinson to Moore, a slam so vicious, the Panthers feast, a meal most delicious.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 7:15 am

This board really picked up some steam after I signed off yesterday…hope everyone slept it off.

Emel, Good point on the coaches and I’ll give you Sutherland…though I was sticking to examples I actually witness first hand…(but he actually was a disciple of Pop Warner and carried on what Warner started…and Warner was not a Pitt man…so maybe that cancel those two out.) I still stick to my guns that for any coach hire the fact that the candidate is Pitt Man should have Zero factor into the hire.

Go Pitt..If Pitt plays their game they’ll win this one.

Comment by milobloom 03.21.13 @ 7:31 am

@ TX Panther

I’m forced to find another place to “hide”. May have to have an “outside” appointment. Any other creative folks out there?

Comment by CompLit 03.21.13 @ 7:35 am

Pitt is an inch to two inches taller than Wichita across the floor.

Shocker Coach Greg Marshall says rebounding will be the difference.

That being the case, Pitt SHOULD win… right?

Comment by PittofDreams 03.21.13 @ 7:54 am

wow, I know I have only gotten up the nerve to post recently after reading loyally for some time BUT if you guys are going to make a habit out of exchanging barbs to the point of daring one another to meet at the fricken penn monroe (of all places) to prove you are of any age then this just isnt any fun anymore.
I thought that this was a place where we could celebrate our unique university’s macro value proposition. I sense many of us have a loyalty to an institution that has impacted many of our families (my father attributed his time at Pitt, on the GI bill from WW2, after undergrad he was unable to gain admission to our medical school – minority quotas – was granted a chance to attend law school – back when it was located in the cathedral. any success he had was modest (essentially moving from a childhood in braddock to raise his family in the east end) but he attributed all of it to his time in Oakland. Being raised within earshot of Pitt Stadium, I am fortunate to have more memories than I can recollect of growing up virtually on campus (field house, stadium, 5th & Forbes & on). As an adult I moved back from FL to raise my family here. My appreciation for what Pitt (& CMU) does for the average IQ of our city continues to grow. Pitt’s inner city campus is unique. Its academic offerings top to bottom are well regarded throughout the country & our Medical programs (a field I know something about) bark with many big dogs. While our football program trades on glories that many of us cant believe is generations removed, we continue to graduate many of our FB student athletes to the “next level” at a modestly impressive rate & our history in the sport continues to prove so strong (after all much of the sport was controlled- during its inception, at the PAA – which is a long way away from the Penn Monroe) fact is we have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. While there is a ton to say about our hoops program, it comes down to this: We were as successful in our conference as anyone (fact), we have the respect of everyone and have often won games just on reputation alone. When I think of our success in the Big East, I remember buying a bumper sticker in the bookstore celebrating our first season in the conference & I am proud of our accomplishments. Then I cant help but think of EVERYONE in our conference who represented (many multiple times) in the FINAL FOUR & I throw up in my mouth. Now that I am deep into many years as a FB & BB season ticket holder – which as we all know requires a TREMENDOUS PHILANTHROPIC ANNUAL INVESTMENT (particularly if you want to sit near the Zoo), I am forcing myself to be a pragmatist – HCJD knows his legacy is at stake, hes a bright man & he doesnt want to be known as a great tactician & defensive taskmaster that cant win in March. That does him no good. Further, this young crop of Panthers has nothing to do with the past. Their slate is clean – thats what we all (consciously or subconsciously) love about this sport. It just takes one time, one game at a time. This is a game we should win against the type of opponent that has historically caught us on the chin. We are all nervous, but for the love of our institution – can we try to keep it classy. H2P TCB FROM THE TIP!

Comment by ptbreezeb 03.21.13 @ 8:06 am

wardapalooza Thanks. Looks like that link will work!

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 8:20 am


Comment by DC33 03.21.13 @ 8:42 am

I don’t know what it is but I have very good vibes today.
Bring it home boys!

Comment by sfpitt 03.21.13 @ 9:00 am

Let’s get excited. It’s time to play ball. GO PITT

Comment by rayhpgh 03.21.13 @ 9:36 am

I too have a good feeling about today’s game — we’re playing a lesser version of ourselves. We need to be ready for a fight.

@FRANKCAN I’m sure you’ve heard the adage “those who live in glass houses …” On several occasions, you have asked people on this blog to overlook your propensity for misspelling words, using all caps, and generally butchering the English language. Please afford others the same courtesy by not making discussions personal. And there’s no way around it, unless your Jerry Sandusky, calling someone a ten-year old is an insult.

We’re all Pitt fans here — I think, so let’s stop bickering about insignificant personal pride.

Comment by Denny 03.21.13 @ 9:37 am

Calling Dr. Tom, no they have not killed me yet, don’t need no dental work but could use some laughing gas… Wait a minute no laughing gas needed because people are on here talking smack and wanting to fight…LOL.

I have not posted since late fall. I know everyone has an opinion but they need to be tempered with a slice of reality. All the ranting about coaches, players and sadly other posters is childish. Why, it don’t change a thing. Coaches are going to coach the way they want, players will be Jekyll and Hyde in there performances and there aint nothing ranting and raving can do about it.

There having said the above I feel much, much better! I am like many of you whom are very passionate about Pitt football/basketball. But I am aware it is only a game. Yes, you can ask my wife, there are rumbles of thunder coming from my office when I partake of some Panther sports. It is because of my passion for Pitt. BUT I come back to reality after the games are over. It is fruitless for me to angst over it because in the end there is nothing I personally can do about it and besides my wife would be barking my head off if did so.

Moral of my blatherite response is enjoy the games, be passionate, come back to reality and respect your brothers in Pitt arms. I cherish the thoughts of many posters here. Marietta Mike, the Doctor, Pitt fan in Atlanta, SFPitt, GC, Boubacar, Reed and others whom while being passionate are at the same time thoughtful, informative and tempered in their responses.

I know the barking back and forth are the reality of internet blogs but never forget at base we are all on the same page because we love Pitt and its teams. So be like me and ask your wife if you can have a beer for today’s game and rant/rave/rejoice and most of all relax after it is over…

Comment by Kenny 03.21.13 @ 9:47 am

I thought I posted the most childish comment ever on this blog. Damn.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 03.21.13 @ 9:49 am

Hey, I’m proud of my 10 year old :)

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 9:49 am

And I am proud of you TX Panther!!! You are a Pitt fan as Big as all Texas!!!

Comment by Kenny 03.21.13 @ 9:54 am

H2P! Go Panther Nation!

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 9:58 am

2.5 hours to tip-off!

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 10:06 am

denny if you read he post you would see i was not the one who got personal first plus he said he was 10 and i belived him . try reading from the start
of post before you blame me. plus read dans posts
that explains things .
and why are you sticking your nose in when you dont know what happened from the first post on to the last.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 10:09 am

Ok, diversion time. Dokish is reporting that there is a realistic chance that Dixon may indeed head west this time for USC.

Comment by JJ 03.21.13 @ 10:40 am

If Pitt wins next to games Dixon and team goes to LA.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 10:52 am

In regards to the coaching search, Dokish seems to be surprised that Sean Miller has not shown a lot of interest in the Pitt job. Seriously, even if he was interested, why would Sean Miller say he is really interested in the currently unavailable Pitt job right before the start of the NCAA tournament?

I still think the most likely scenario is Dixon gets a huge raise and is given complete control over basketball schedule and can schedule whoever he wants.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 11:29 am

Dixon is meeting with USC tonight. He’s going to leave this time and I’m not really all that upset.

Comment by Denny 03.21.13 @ 3:33 pm

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