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March 21, 2013

The game is at 1:40. It’s on TBS. On the bright side, it isn’t a noon tip. The downside (for me) is picking up the kids from school roughly as the second half is getting underway.

Will Pitt be able to avoid yet another slow start to their game? They are definitely aware of it. I’m not sure that it makes a difference or not — the being aware of it part. The fact is, this Pitt team has started most of their games — win or lose — sluggishly. Fitfully. At this point in the year, it is hard not to shrug and acknowledge that this team doesn’t get off to good starts.

Dante Taylor got six stitches above his right eye from the Syracuse game last week. The eye is still a bit swollen, but he’s not missing the game.

As I noted before, the teams aren’t that different in style and emphasis.

“Except they’re maybe a little bit bigger,” Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall said. “They appear to be an inch or two bigger per man across the front line. Maybe our guys have grown an inch or two, but if it’s a mirror image I hope we stack up physically with them.”

I have to believe Lamar Patterson did not say this with a straight face.

“It should be an (up-tempo) pace, probably, because everyone has fresh legs to throw in there. So this should be a fun game.”

Of course Coach Jamie Dixon is bothered by the losses in the NCAA Tournament.

Know that smile Jamie Dixon will flash when he thinks a referee has butchered a call?

The one where his arms are folded, the head tilted a bit, the foot tapping, the skin seemingly going green as it’s about to burst through the suit seams … and yet his face somehow conveys sheer, unfettered joy, his every tooth showing and cheeks stretched like Christmas morning?

Well, as a public service to Pitt basketball fans, I’m here to break it to you (MEGA-SPOILER WARNING): It isn’t remotely real.

Yeah, you’re welcome.

But you know how I became sure?

As part of a good talk Dixon and I had shortly before the Panthers embarked for Utah, the coach flashed almost exactly that same smile upon my broaching the topic of his personal history in the NCAA Tournament.

No surprise. Dixon is not addressing the USC wants to hire him rumors.

“I guess it’s the time of year,” he said. “We don’t talk about other jobs. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. We’re used to it, I guess. And it happens to everybody, I think, this time of the year. It’s speculation, I guess, so I don’t give it much thought.”

Hopefully there will be more games to play to avoid any talk about the issue for a couple weeks.





Lamar clarified that. He meant that by (Pitt) going 10 deep, their legs will be fresh the entire game.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 11:01 am

Let’s go Pitt!

Comment by Scott 78 03.21.13 @ 11:11 am

Let’s just get past this game since anything after this is gravy for a 8 seed with 2 freshmen starting. I would hate to see a bad loss here set back the recruiting and continue the discussion that Pitt can’t win in March.

If anyone needs a link…keep this in site here only…not for ESPN boards.

link to atdee.net

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 11:33 am

In regards to the coaching search, Dokish seems to be surprised that Sean Miller has not shown a lot of interest in the Pitt job. Seriously, even if he was interested, why would Sean Miller say he is really interested in the currently unavailable Pitt job right before the start of the NCAA tournament?

I still think the most likely scenario is Dixon gets a huge raise and is given complete control over basketball schedule and can schedule whoever he wants.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 11:36 am

Meanwhile back at the ranch….(Hint: it isn’t Miller time)

link to panthersprey.blogspot.com

Losing this game could put Dixon in the mood for a change in scenery and recruiting base….not to put too much pressure on everybody today (cough).

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 11:39 am

go pitt bring home a win

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 11:39 am

i swear i just saw a clip of sam young dunking in a buffalo wild wings commercial.

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 11:46 am

Looking for someone off the bench to step up offensively. Johnson and Moore are the likely candidates to hit a few threes. WSU plays a tough man to man, they help off the ball very well. Their guards are strong, but not long. At some point our 6’6″ dudes will get decent looks at a threes. They need to hit a few.

Unlikely candidate that I’m rooting for, Taylor. He should be able to get some opportunities in transition. Pitt needs him to board. A double double is possible.

A spark off the bench is just what they need to get the fire started. Pitt gets a lead, it will be hard for WSU to come back, as long as Woodall, Robinson and Patterson make some FT’s.

Comment by boubacar aw 03.21.13 @ 11:57 am

Believe it or not Dokish is pretty connected in college basketball and if he’s hearing that behind closed doors people are hearing that Miller isn’t that interested than I believe it. I know that goes against what he feels so you know he’s not just saying it to say it.

Comment by Mike 03.21.13 @ 11:57 am

Hoping that the early start (11:40 Utah Time) and the week off don’t cause any issues. I think both teams playing their game – Pitt wins

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 12:04 pm

1/2 hour ’til tip!

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 12:10 pm

god i’m nervous…cmon pitt…step up!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 12:17 pm

Mike, I wasn’t saying he’s not connected. My point was more that why would Miller even say behind closed doors he’s interested in the job at this point. How bad does it make Miller look if say he says behind closed doors (info that always gets out) that he’s interested in Pitt, then loses the first round of the tourney. If Dixon then decides to stay at Pitt, then Miller is stuck at a job where no one trusts him and everyone is mad about the early loss.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 12:19 pm

10 min.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 12:30 pm

Bucknell and Butler shooting like 27% and 33%. Crazy.

But anyway… Let’s Go Pitt!

Comment by Mailman 03.21.13 @ 12:32 pm

Well the studio crew gave Pitt pretty much no chance in this game. Interesting…

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 12:41 pm

gottlieb?
Bad omen.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 12:41 pm

Well that was quick Adams. 1 foul in the first 20 seconds and he will probably take a seat.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 12:42 pm

Better links here for the Pitt game…

link to firstrow1.eu

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 12:44 pm

I have never seen as many turnovers in a season due to just plain lazy, late passes. How does that happen? Woodall should know better. This is a lot like watching a Big East conference game though. Slow pace, ugly start, passes into the media table – 3 turnovers in 4 minutes. Pitt (good) vs. Pitt (bad) now – Witchita just along for the ride.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 12:50 pm

un fucking real. different year, same shit from pitt. nice senior leadership from woodall and sleepy. i hate being a pitt fan.

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 12:51 pm

Shockers playing “up” on D.
Why not back-door?

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 12:51 pm

Thank The Lord we aren’t playing a good team or we would be down 15. Terrible basketball. Lets go. This is atrocious.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 12:51 pm

Tentative, not fluid. Defense soft. Wake the f up

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 12:53 pm

seems like the seniors didn’t get knight’s ‘value every possession’ message.

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 12:53 pm

Sleepy Taylor is actually playing with some energy. Jumping over the scoring table, but everyone else playing like crap. All turnovers have been bad passes. Should be an easy fix. Forget the Gatorade – give them Red Bull and Coffee.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 12:56 pm

Send Ziegler back to the MAC

Comment by JR 03.21.13 @ 12:57 pm

This looks like 5th graders are playing. What an embarrassment.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 1:00 pm

Get Woodhead OUT OF THERE DIXON!

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 1:00 pm

6 turnovers in 7 minutes. 4 bad passes, couple of air balls. Really didn’t want to start drinking this early.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 1:00 pm

Turnovers and air balls wasn’t what I was expecting to see in this first half.

Comment by Mailman 03.21.13 @ 1:01 pm

glad i left work to watch this shit. they need to wake up

Comment by usd121 03.21.13 @ 1:01 pm

hmmm who would have thought its March and Pitt comes out half asleep… never would have guessed.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 1:01 pm

Woodall is killing us. We gotta get guard play. Depth perception on 3’s not there. Holy shit, if we don’t wake up embarrassment

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:02 pm

Is it possible to play worse at the end of the year? I doubt it.

Comment by RayHpgh 03.21.13 @ 1:03 pm

Thankfully, Wichita hasn’t been hitting any threes. They’ve had quite a few good looks from the outside.

Comment by Mailman 03.21.13 @ 1:03 pm

this is painful, they all look scared

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 1:05 pm

Pitt’s sticking to the year long play just one good half (I hope) strategy I see….

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 1:05 pm

Getting a good whistle.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.21.13 @ 1:06 pm

good lord, woodall cant make a layup

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 1:10 pm

Woodall is a bum

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.21.13 @ 1:10 pm

Woodall can’t buy a basket. Need the Senior leadership. Can they still get in the CBI?

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 1:11 pm

Pitt hasn’t hit a jump shot yet….wow

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 1:11 pm

Woodall still killing us. Not with a bang but a whimper

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:12 pm

Woodall is tight.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.21.13 @ 1:12 pm

Sickening this isn’t representative of Pitt ball

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:13 pm

I’ve been saying all year…we can’t win…if we can’t score…

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 1:13 pm

Great positioning by Zanna on that break to save Robinson’s turnover.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 1:16 pm

I like that Woodall’s bucket was the 1st in 4 minutes and it is only 17-17. Thinking cold showers and caffeine injections at half time and we will see a different team.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 1:20 pm

Team is tight.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 1:23 pm

was that sam young in that buffalo wild wings commercial??

Comment by usd121 03.21.13 @ 1:24 pm

That is Sam Young.

Comment by xfmrman 03.21.13 @ 1:24 pm

I told those boys to get a good night’s rest, eat a hearty brunch and drink plenty of water. Now, did they even listen to me? Where is the energy? Where is the mental sharpness today?

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:25 pm

Thank God that WS is playing as bad as we are…

I just keep telling myself…survive and advance…survive and advance…

Comment by Leaseman 03.21.13 @ 1:25 pm

I cannot believe how ineffective steven adams is…he 7 foot tall!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 1:27 pm

2nd half is gonna look a lot different I bet.

They’ll shoot better and we’ll turnover less.

But damn I’m nervous.

Comment by PantherP 03.21.13 @ 1:29 pm

Some of the worst guard play ever

Comment by RayHpgh 03.21.13 @ 1:29 pm

WSU pulling a pitt…missing open 3 after open 3

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 1:30 pm

Robinson looks terrible today…Woodie not much better. Poor guard play today….and where’s Patterson?

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 1:32 pm

how can we be losing to a team shooting less than 30%

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:32 pm

They better wake up during halftime!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Pittastic 03.21.13 @ 1:35 pm

the curse of march madness continues.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 1:35 pm

What a weak flagrant….

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 1:35 pm

This is tough on the blood pressure. They have never been this tight. Moore and Taylor are the only guys that aren’t puckered.

Comment by gc 03.21.13 @ 1:36 pm

This team is choking it away again.

Comment by Marco 03.21.13 @ 1:37 pm

flagrant foul? seriously? only in the NCCA tournament could that even be a FOUL, let alone flagrant

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 1:38 pm

Bench Woodall

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.21.13 @ 1:38 pm

Sweet..another errant pass from Woodall. Way to capitalize on a turnover and Witchita St pulling away. Pitt just looks disinterested at this point. Getting out-hustled.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 1:38 pm

Wow….this is sick!!..no way were winning this game…a terrible effort…sickening

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 1:38 pm

what a pathetic effort. pitt has no business winning this game.

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 1:38 pm

Teams are a combined 1 for 19 from 3

The horror……the horror….the horror

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:38 pm

Pitt is becoming a national punchline

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 1:39 pm

I’d be surprised if we score 45 points

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 1:39 pm

Typical Pitt 1st half…

Comment by J Bizz 03.21.13 @ 1:40 pm

I’m only checking the gamecast not watching it online. Why have they been so horrible on offense? Are the running sets or freelancing?

Comment by Pittastic 03.21.13 @ 1:40 pm

Team not only tight but playing in fear.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 1:40 pm

Woodall is killing this team.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.21.13 @ 1:40 pm

Play guys that want to compete, this is embarassing

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.21.13 @ 1:40 pm

Yep….one trash half again for Pitt….what a winning formula Pitt….

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 1:40 pm

your kidding that was the play after a Pitt timeout

Woodie taking a 30 foot 3 point attempt

Oy Vey !!!

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:41 pm

Woodall and Zanna are killing this game. The Shockers don’t even try to force turnovers and they’re getting them in droves

Comment by mrmiket 03.21.13 @ 1:41 pm

I don’t want to say i told you so….but..

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 1:41 pm

Not just boring, pathetic. The game was not meant to be played this way.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 1:43 pm

Woodall – 1/7, 0/3 from 3, 3 TOs, no assists. He needs to not start the 2nd half.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.21.13 @ 1:43 pm

Oh down by 5 at the half the GAME IS OVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 1:43 pm

@Pittastic
not shooting well. they’ve had some decent looks but their shooting it tight. Most of the misses are short. WSU shooting even worse. They’re not crisp in their sets at all and ball movement is tentative. WSU is a good defensive team but Pitt’s making it look too easy. Pretty evenly matched game with neither side impressing.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 1:43 pm

good news is.. we can’t play much worse??

Comment by usd121 03.21.13 @ 1:44 pm

Maybe Coach needs to drop some prozac in his water cup and all the players water cups.

Everyyear they play tight as a drum.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:44 pm

I’ll try to say something postive..the way they played they should be done by double digits.

Comment by milobloom 03.21.13 @ 1:44 pm

Change of baskets, one of these teams is gonna find its range. How many excuses this time? There is something wrong here. Time after time to be so flat in a once in a lifetime moment.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:45 pm

They always play better in the second half (well, most of the time)

I really attribute this to the lack of playing time this month. They feel flat because of the delay that they’ve had, they need to get it up, and make smart decisions.

Comment by Benzene 03.21.13 @ 1:45 pm

USC sounds like a dream job….

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 1:46 pm

Woodall needs to settle down. Moore needs more minutes. Put Adams and Taylor out together with Moore, Woodall and Robinson. Go inside hard.

Comment by gc 03.21.13 @ 1:47 pm

We need more Dante. He looked good early on and brought some energy. 0-7 on 3s and scarcely a sign of Johnson.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 1:48 pm

Basketball circa 1955. Happy with the seed now. If playing anybody but WSU, would be down 15 right now. Tight tight tight. They reflect Jamie’s personality. Bundle of nerves. lET THEM PLAY

Comment by Iron Duke 03.21.13 @ 1:48 pm

Thanks Ghost!

Comment by Pittastic 03.21.13 @ 1:48 pm

Agree Iron Duke.

Teams are a reflection of their coach. He needs to sit down and chill, instead of constantly being up flittering around.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:51 pm

And here is why Dixon has not succeeded. One possession to end the half and pull back a little momentum. The lineup he sends in after an MFing timeout is Woodall, Robinson, Zanna, Adams, and Wright. No Durand Johnson, JJ Moore, or Ziegler (shooter, shooter/driver, driver). Seriously?!

Tired of watching the team stall and nothing done to shake things up. Moore is the only one who has looked like he has an offensive pulse, aside from a few decent plays by Taylor, and he sits the last 5 minutes. No zone, maybe a light half-court press, no attempt to push tempo on a defensive rebound. Nothing to try to alter the pace or momentum.

They may still win this. Dixon may make adjustments at half, but is there a reason you have to wait ’til half time to do it??!!

Hopefully Woodall shakes out of his funk and Patterson gets aggressive. I wouldn’t even mind seeing more Zeigler, somebody try to get the hoop.

A loss in this game is unacceptable in my view and would make me not weep were Dixon to be offered and take the USC job. Underachieving, and doing it in such spectacular fashion, is just unacceptable any longer. He needs to step up and he needs to get his team to step up.

Comment by Carmen 03.21.13 @ 1:51 pm

Turnovers are killing Pitt. Woodall is playing like a stiff and Zanna should buy a ticket. Still in game, but better find someone to score.

Comment by Jimbo 03.21.13 @ 1:51 pm

I give you guys a lot of credit to watch this game. I was terrified going in we’d lose badly to an inferior opponent. I’m a work and just checked the score…end of the half and we scored 21 points? Really???

I’ve always been a huge Dixon fan. We go to NCAA tournaments 10 out the last 11 years, won a couple BE regular seasons and tournaments, consistently win games each year, were ranked #1 a few years back …but there is something missing in our style of basketball in tournament play? Howland has the same issue and he is probably out. Tom Izzo does not. Mich St. always plays well in the tournament. Is it the players we have? The game plan? The in game decision making of the coaches? The type of basketball we play? The player development or lack there of?

I’m not sure what I want any more but I’m not sure I want this?

Comment by Artj 03.21.13 @ 1:55 pm

I agree with you Carmen.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:55 pm

Agree Carmen,

We need more possessions not less, since this team is lousy shooting.

How you get more possessions is change the snail’s pace to maybe that of a at least a duck.

And how do get more possessions, you have to create turnovers. Maybe a light press just to see how WSU reacts. You never know unless you try these things. Prolly too late this season.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:55 pm

I’m sorry but that flagrant foul call on Lamar Patterson driving to the hoop was BULLSHIT call! I don’t but Seth Davis bullshit either that it was the right call. He was driving to the hoop and defender, who was trailing him, leaned in. It was a regular basketball play.

So far Pitt has missed way too many easy shots and has made some really bad passes. They need to settle down and play Pitt basketball in the 2nd half.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 1:56 pm

I agree with Iron Duke as well.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 1:56 pm

This is JD BB, no offensive rhythm just play D. No offensive personality at all.
Probably will win but why bother, not going anywhere. Need new coaching blood whether HC or assistants, something needs to change.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 1:56 pm

But seriously folks, Wichita is only 8 for 28 FG,
that is 28% FG.

How in the hell are we losing to a team shooting 28% ????

they are 1 for 14 from 3 ….7% lol

And they’re still winning !

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 1:58 pm

Pace of play favors WSU. They are comfortable in a grind it out, ugly game. Pitt needs to speed things up a little.

If Woodall doesn’t get it together his career is over. No pressure.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.21.13 @ 1:59 pm

Carmen Dixon looked like he was going to drop dead from anxiety just before tap in Dayton. I sat behind the bench. Something is wrong here.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 2:02 pm

JD just said we have to win the rebounding war…right….cuz that will give up more points!!…ugh

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:02 pm

Sweet – new look – Patterson throwing the ball away instead of Woodall. My 2nd half adjustment, drinking beer. WS coming out strong and energized. Pitt coming out same crappy way.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 2:04 pm

this game is over

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:05 pm

Gotta agree with Carmen as well….the Dixon Show is wearing thin with me. I’m 63 and I can’t wait 20-30 years to make a Final Four…I may be dead by then…LOL.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 2:05 pm

and of course they score the first points of the 2nd half sheesh

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 2:05 pm

The next coach needs to recruit some shooters and big men with good hands. Mark my words, Jamie is going to Southern Cal.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 2:06 pm

Horrible start to the second half.

Comment by Pittastic 03.21.13 @ 2:06 pm

What we need is some guard and forward play

Comment by RayHpgh 03.21.13 @ 2:06 pm

Does anyone think that we deserve to be higher than an 8 seed right now? Wichita fans are probably mad that they aren’t wearing the home whites today

Comment by OrlandoAlum 03.21.13 @ 2:07 pm

And, I’m leaving the office right now and getting a stiff drink. I can’t watch this anymore. It disgusts me.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 2:07 pm

there we go durand durand

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 2:07 pm

this might be the worst game……EVER!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:08 pm

Someone end Carl Hall

Comment by mrmiket 03.21.13 @ 2:09 pm

Lousy officiating, not sayin they are leaning any way but just killing any chance of flow in the game.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 2:10 pm

maybe JD should recruit more rebounders……scoring will just magicly happen

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:12 pm

where is spirit today???

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 2:13 pm

game is far from over, but we need to keep certain players on the floor: Adams, Durand, JJ…Lamar, Talib suck..Tray sloppy & wild…need someone to hit a couple jumpers..can still win this

Comment by Bossdaws 03.21.13 @ 2:13 pm

Pitt’s performance so far has absolutely nothing to do with what seed they deserved. The two things aren’t related.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:13 pm

Seriously Jamie, USC could be a destination job… just something to think about.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 2:14 pm

Tray Woodall is killing us!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:15 pm

I remember when we had amazing defensive teams and we would hold other teams under 20 points for a half. This team barely scores 20 without any noteworthy defense against them. I’m going crazy watching this.

Comment by PittDan 03.21.13 @ 2:15 pm

Crown Jaime. What a joke. The guy has done absolutely nothing in the month of March.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:16 pm

that was a seriously bad mental lapse by a senior

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 2:16 pm

get woodall off the court!!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:16 pm

Woodall still in the game shows he has zero balls. He sucks 3 air balls and still playing?

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:16 pm

Fuck you Woodall

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.21.13 @ 2:16 pm

seriously woodall must leave the game and not come back

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 2:17 pm

Tray Woodall needs to sit. I love Tray and I constantly defend him but come on man.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:17 pm

Adams to me is one of the best players out there for Pitt today (not saying much)…I like him today.

Dixon needs to bench Woodie until the last 2 minutes….

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 2:18 pm

Neither team should be in any tourny. They suck.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 2:19 pm

What’s up with all the fouls? Are they trying to get WS in the bonus ASAP?

Comment by Pittastic 03.21.13 @ 2:19 pm

I hope all of you JD lovers out there…will soon realize that his style of coaching is not gonna work…if we can’s score…we can’t win!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:19 pm

We stink. But I knew this already.

Comment by Jeff 03.21.13 @ 2:21 pm

we need people that can put the ball in the hoop…not spend all of their energy on deffense…sorry JD..ur time is over!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:21 pm

Josh Newkirk and Mike Young are both good offensive talents. See you all in the ACC.

Comment by MikePitt 03.21.13 @ 2:22 pm

Patterson = trash

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 2:22 pm

We should have been a 11 seed.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:22 pm

the offense is really out of whack. The positioning is terrible and leading to too much wasted time and forced long shots

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 2:23 pm

Sucky game so far, but it is really l ike some of you love it when Pitt sucks.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:23 pm

I like Woodall’s airball that was so bad it bounced off the back of the defender waiting for the rebound. I don’t have enough beer in my house today.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 2:24 pm

Can’t wait until this over one way or the
other.

Comment by JR 03.21.13 @ 2:24 pm

Serious question………what could USC see that would actually excite them about hiring Dixon? I see nothing.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:24 pm

Josh Newkirk and Mike Young may be on their way to USC…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 2:25 pm

Jamie Dixon’s team are not built for one and done tournaments when the competition is elite. The NCAA tourney is made for teams with future NBA players who can rise to the occassion. Recruiting a team of players that are role players will never allow you to go deep in a one and done tournament of elite teams.

Slow and steady does well in a 2.5 month drawn out season but it doesnt satisfy you during march madness with elite competition.

On a side note: Woodall is struggling terribly.
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Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 03.21.13 @ 2:25 pm

This game sucks, two horrible teams

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 03.21.13 @ 2:26 pm

This playing from behind is no good.

Doesn’t put any pressure on the other team at all.

All the pressure is on us to match their baskets.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 2:27 pm

I would love to hear from any JD supporters right now..where are you???

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:27 pm

I’m.so.sick.

Comment by Carmen 03.21.13 @ 2:28 pm

Pure embarrassment. They’ve done nothing that indicates they can win this. Sick of this shit

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 2:28 pm

We are hitting FT’s – let me STFU!!!!!

Comment by TVax 03.21.13 @ 2:28 pm

this is perhaps the most painful basektball game I have ever watched, Pitt losing just makes it even worse

Comment by NYCPITT 03.21.13 @ 2:28 pm

Do you think Pitt can get to 45 points today?

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 03.21.13 @ 2:28 pm

Tight. Jamie needs to get them going. Live or die with the freshmen. Need some energy.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.21.13 @ 2:29 pm

Pitt has missed a ridiculous number of easy shots in first half. Now in the 2nd the game seems to getting away from them. There were a lot bad passes mixing in there as well. I certainly hope they have another run in them.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 2:30 pm

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.21.13 @ 2:32 pm

Ok this doesn’t work when you can’t just put the ball in the basket. Just put the ball in the basket. Just put the ball in the basket.

Blair – Put the ball in the Basket
Chevy – Put the ball in th Basket
Wannamaker – Put the ball in the basket
Nas – Put the ball in the basket eh maybe not

Comment by freebird 03.21.13 @ 2:32 pm

Tried to tell everyone last week. Get used to it.

Comment by John Ramella 03.21.13 @ 2:33 pm

Keith you are without question the exact type of clueless fan I am so glad to be away from in the cult like mentality of Western Pa. Go be miserable somewhere else. I mean I get you are clearly a college basketball expert so surely you could be doing sonething other than boring me with your mindless “fair weather fan” drivel.

Comment by Bce 03.21.13 @ 2:34 pm

Bye Jamie. And please let us bring in an offensive minded coach next year. I’d rather lose 85 to 80 than watch this BS.

Comment by Bobby 03.21.13 @ 2:34 pm

Worst pass of the year….just shoot me…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 2:34 pm

just ridiculous….this team..this coaching staff..both a joke!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:34 pm

You wanna know why spirit when nuts yesterday? Because most of haters are beyond obnoxious and basic enjoy ripping on the team.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:36 pm

Woodall should not play the rest of the game. Nor Zeigler. Period.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.21.13 @ 2:36 pm

Bce…..what do you suggest we do to get back in this game?

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:36 pm

This team and coach are painful to watch…I’m so over Jamie Dixon. Can we get a coach that can recruit shooters and mybe actually coach up players….ugh

Comment by Marco 03.21.13 @ 2:37 pm

Hire Shaka. VCU is probably a better destination job at this point. Who would take Pitts job with Peterson as AD. Dixon is gross. Same garbage and no accountability in AD Dept.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:37 pm

I really think highly of JD but he must go. These 20+ win regular seasons and total march flops cannot continue year after year. This is absolutely pathetic.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 2:37 pm

Say what you will about Dixon, but the PLAYERS are choking beyond belief today

Comment by Kenny Powers 03.21.13 @ 2:37 pm

this is nauseating. why do they even want to make the tournament if they’re going to embarrass themselves on a national stage. This ranks with the Pacific game in bush league play

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 2:38 pm

This is embarassing

Comment by Leaseman 03.21.13 @ 2:39 pm

Wardapalooza…..everyone on here loves pitt…it’s people like you that are blind to see whats wrong with this program…we’re set up to fail right now…who wants to come play deffense in an offensive minded ACC??…we need help..and alot of it

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:39 pm

good press — took them all of 6 seconds to beat

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 2:39 pm

This game is amazing in that we are so completely horrible.

Comment by Marco 03.21.13 @ 2:41 pm

A 6’2 guard just boxed out and out rebounded a 7 foot center. Gosh Adams is soft.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:42 pm

i would bet people on the blog don’t enjoy blasting this team and would rather they win, however they are as disgusted as i am regarding their yearly one and done (although the game isnt over yet)

Comment by goalie44 03.21.13 @ 2:42 pm

only 31 minutes between points and discernable heart beat from Zanna

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 2:42 pm

Oh nice Pittbaseball back on his AD vendetta which only occurs when things are going bad. Yeah god forbid that the AD keep a coach around that wins 20 games every year whatever he was thinking. Biggest idiot ever. I mean if you don’t win a title in 3 years at Pitt you should be fired.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:43 pm

Whats the one common denominator with all the pitt choke jobs?…it’s not trey woodall…not Dejuan Blair…not Chevy troutman….not julias Page…or even Brandon Knight….anyone want to guess????

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:43 pm

10 steals and 14 TOs is terrible, 24 lost chances

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 2:46 pm

Game over!

Comment by Leaseman 03.21.13 @ 2:47 pm

spiritofsection22 I will be waiting for my apology.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 2:48 pm

For the second time send Ziegler back
to we’re ever he came. How could he be a
Tip. 100 recruit coming out if HS?

Comment by JR 03.21.13 @ 2:48 pm

Good thing we played Duquesne early.

Comment by Jimbo 03.21.13 @ 2:51 pm

this is just funny now

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:52 pm

I am gladly waving Goodbye to Tray Woodall today. Thanks for your service, you won’t be missed.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.21.13 @ 2:52 pm

Suggesting to fire Jamie is ridiculous, but only Stevie Wonder cant see that he just doesn’t have this team ready to play in the tournament.

Comment by NYCPITT 03.21.13 @ 2:52 pm

Ward you are a moron…no one liked Peterson and I mean no one. If you are happy with national embarrassment every year in basketball and being garbage in football with a coach who blew 2 games before the half in football then keep sending Peterson your money. I call it like I see it. Keep drinking kool aid… Losing to witchita state… Say that out loud

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:52 pm

Unfortunately folks…they are who we thought they were.

Comment by J Bizz 03.21.13 @ 2:53 pm

crazy idea — actually try to get Adams going on the block! who would have thought that could ever work!

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 2:53 pm

I still say it’s been a good Pitt BB season…remember where this team was a year ago and they should be better next year.

Dixon isn’t leaving (nor should he) so not going to waste time with those comments.

Everyone have a great summer..I’ll chat with ya all around Labor Day. Can’t wait for that Monday night game.

Comment by milo bloom 03.21.13 @ 2:53 pm

Regular season is meaningless
We never test ourselves by playing outside our comfort zone.
When we have to play outside our comfort zone, we are pussies.
Today we are pussies.
In college hoops coaches control out of conference games.
Jamie always pussies out.
Watching Pitt play in the tourney is like watching some mild mannered prisoner get raped in prison.
Next year, just don’t accept an invite if you are offered.
That way America won’t have to watch you get gang banged.
Losses in November are quickly forgotten.
Those in March define you.
Pitt/Dixon= losers of the highest order.

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 2:54 pm

you people that are fine with losing early in the tourny every year and getting embarassed…fine with me…i want more out of this program…

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:54 pm

That was the best move that Adams made all season

Comment by Leaseman 03.21.13 @ 2:54 pm

Sfpitt. Spot on with your post.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 2:55 pm

Pittbaseball, why don’t you learn how to spell Pederson. It’s not a national embarrassment making the tournament every year. You know what is an embarrassment if Pitt had a basketball team like Rutgers, which you know could happen if you hire the wrong next coach. You act like its a guarantee to win 20 games every year in basketball at Pitt. It’s not. It’s Pitt. What the F. It isn’t UNC or UCLA or Duke. It’s Pitt.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:56 pm

yeah, it’s always wait until next year..

Comment by goalie44 03.21.13 @ 2:56 pm

You aren’t losers if you make it to the tournamment. Such stupid drivel. I mean I shouldn’t even address it cause it’s so stupid. You know what was a bunch of losers Pitt basketball for basically the entire 90s. But yeah not winning is better than winning.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 2:57 pm

now now…….there is not allowed any negativity on this site….everyone on here has to shit unicorns and rainbows!!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 2:58 pm

Looks lkie it’s one and out. Witchita State took away Pitt’s outside game and Pitt didn’t start kicking the ball into Adams until it was too late in the game.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 2:58 pm

Been to lots of weddings. Never got married.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 03.21.13 @ 2:59 pm

i could deal with losing this game if they brought anything to it. It’s just sad. Theres little energy or focus. they look like lost little children. you can lose with dignity to a good WSU team (which hasn’t looked THAT good today fwiw), but to get totally poned is sad

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 3:00 pm

Woodall and Patterson worst game ever. Zanna’s normal game. If you want to blame Dixon, I am too disgusted to argue. Like Gotlieb said it’s like the guards refuse to pass inside.

Comment by gc 03.21.13 @ 3:00 pm

it is a guarentee when you play 10 cupcake non con games. why does everybody think jd is the only coach in america that can coach at pitt??

Comment by goalie44 03.21.13 @ 3:00 pm

Is there any possible way we can blame this on Tino?

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 3:00 pm

good one coach!

Comment by goalie44 03.21.13 @ 3:02 pm

OK….which one of you did this?

link to facebook.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 3:02 pm

Most underachieving team I have ever seen. F the 20 win sesasons they mean nothing. Play the little sisters of the poor and you become the little sisters of the poor. Time for Jamie to move on.
Worst NCAA game ever, How’s that for my resume.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 3:02 pm

doesn’t it seem like we actually score when the players are just playing. When we run our sets, it is just a lot of passing.

Comment by PittDan 03.21.13 @ 3:02 pm

I wish I could have the last 2 hours back. Ugly loss to a team they should have beat. I have never said it to this point, but I wouldn’t be all that sad if Dixon left. I just think his formula isn’t getting things done. I know it is about the players performing, but their losses the past years have been sluggish, ugly, and unmotivated. That is on the coach. Showing life in the last 5 minutes does nothing when you don’t for 35 minutes.

Comment by Pendlum 03.21.13 @ 3:03 pm

Coach Ditka………….maybe!!..

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:03 pm

I never said its rainbows or anything or that negativity isn’t allow. It’s pretty damn obvious to everyone that the game absolutely sucked.

Oh if its a guarantee to win 20 games every year then why doesn’t every BCS school do that? Why doesn’t Depaul they sure spend a lot of money and they are in a huge market.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 3:04 pm

1-12 from the floor, 0-5 from 3pt, equals senior leadership on this team. That’s the way to go out.
WOW!

Comment by gdodson 03.21.13 @ 3:04 pm

gc, I think Adams is a much better player with Woodall out of the game, because Robinson will actually get him the ball.

On the bright side:
Next year, big improvements from (I believe) Adams, Robinson, Wright, and Johnson.
Addition by subtraction of Woodall, and the replacement of Woodall and Taylor by Newkirk and Young.

We didn’t make the NCAAs last year.
Next year, we make a good run.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.21.13 @ 3:04 pm

This was fun.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 03.21.13 @ 3:05 pm

@wardapalooza

There has to be more than just making the tourney. this program has been unable to play remotely up to, let alone exceed, expectations. at some point you have to look at Dixon and ask WTF? Previous poster is right — he’s the only constant here

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 3:05 pm

I’m a Dixon defender and even I have to ask WTF?

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 3:05 pm

I’m close to being physically ill.

Comment by panther94 03.21.13 @ 3:05 pm

now now stop pitt is someting we all love have faith it will be better next year.
we will rise to great hights. it is not over.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 3:06 pm

so , what do you guys think, does tom savage get the start labor day weekend???

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 3:06 pm

if we don’t recruit scorers….we won’t score…if we can’t score…we won’t win….if we don’t win…we go back to the decade of the 90’s…not a good look

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:06 pm

Turn out the lights. The party’s over.

Best of luck Jamie at USC.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 3:06 pm

There is a difference between saying the game sucked, that Dixon did a bad prep job and Woodall and Lamar had probably the worst games of their career. and saying that the team is a bunch of p-word. That’s vulgar and disgusting. People need to grow up.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 3:07 pm

Hey Jamie.
Timeout? Really?
My goodness. How pathetic!

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 3:07 pm

Pathetic

Comment by 63 Team 03.21.13 @ 3:08 pm

That was clearly a held ball, not a foul, but we haven’t gotten any call anyway. They haven’t made shots and haven’t gotten any calls. Too bad it’s a sad way to end the season. Pitt’s 0-2 against Missouri Valley Conference teams in the NCAA Tournament.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 3:08 pm

Witchita St….bradely….pacific..kent st…Butler…am i missing anyone??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:08 pm

Now, I agree with Keith.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 3:08 pm

Why is it that we always say addition by subtraction about Pitt?

This team hasn’t been very good all season. A couple of fluke wins do not a season make. Other than LVille, a weak year for the BE.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 03.21.13 @ 3:09 pm

Embarrassing. Patterson and Woodall were terrible. In fairness, they should be really good role players. Pitt needed them to be lead dogs and they just aren’t. Feel bad for Woodall. Tough way to go out.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.21.13 @ 3:09 pm

Thanks for the memories Jamie, you gave us your all. Good Luck with USC.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 3:09 pm

JD is always 1 player away, whether it is a big man or PG, can never put complete team together. STarted his career with good players and never moved forward. Middle of the pack coach as far as I am concerned.
Supposed to build on what you have not stagnate. Has never had a good offensive team. Needs to somehow find a balance of D and O. He just doesn’t have it.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 3:09 pm

look at the bright side, robert morris won

Comment by goalie44 03.21.13 @ 3:09 pm

That same old sickening feeling. On to next year and the ACC.

Comment by Scott 78 03.21.13 @ 3:10 pm

I would love to hear from the dixon supporters??..what can we look forward to?…how will we rebound??……..omg…if JD says that we didn’t rebound well im gonna throw up!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:11 pm

Toole at RMU is better coach but may not be able to recruit as well.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 3:13 pm

I’m ready to move on without the Dixon Clown Collection Show myself….for the KoolAid drinkers….one mans ceiling is another man’s floor.

I see the servers are down at ESPN….they were down here too for awhile. Pitt is blowing up everything today.

I really feel sorry for Woodall to end his career this way…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 3:13 pm

@Ward
Just call me out. 18 points.
Out everythinged. No heart.
I assure you, my metaphor is nothing that their peers don’t call them.
Vulgar? Of course it is. That it is true is sad.

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 3:14 pm

F’ing Tino he screwed us again!!

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.21.13 @ 3:16 pm

You can’t satisfy a wondering eye forever. If Dixon has eyes elsewhere then its time to go. I don’t want him the leave but I also do not want Pitt held hostage by him either. No shakedown

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 03.21.13 @ 3:17 pm

Keith, oh however will Pitt rebound next year? I really wish Jamie Dixon did a better job at recruiting so that Pitt next year would be returning a legit starting PG and a future NBA lottery pick at center. SMH.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 3:17 pm

What’s the point spread going to be when we play the Zags?
Oh wait, we lost by 18.

Comment by Gas 03.21.13 @ 3:17 pm

I’d feel bad for Woodall if at least some of this disaster wasn’t self inflicted. He was TERRIBLE today. Not terrible over his career, but TERRIBLE today. He was as bigger negative towards this outcome than any other single player on the floor.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 3:18 pm

And as far as Dixon going to USC…

California taxes will be over 50%.

The LA cost of living is at least twice what Pittsburgh’s is.

Still, maybe change is good.

Comment by Gas 03.21.13 @ 3:19 pm

Tino’s fault. When does spring practice resume?

Comment by Iron Duke 03.21.13 @ 3:19 pm

Wardapalooza….and this team is gonna score how?..and if im 7 foot….im a potential lottery pick!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:19 pm

Ward Adams sucks… 7 ft and plays soft and averages 5 points. Yeah he’s a stud. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 3:20 pm

With Pitt out now I can enjoy the tournament

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 3:21 pm

If you take a step back, WS was a much better defensive team than us. We are very a very average team on both O and D. Made for a deadly combination today.

Comment by RayHpgh 03.21.13 @ 3:21 pm

How can you lost to Louisville on the road by 3 and then lose big to f’in Wichita State? Jamie, you’ve done great things and thank you for doing them. But it’s time for a change. And you know you’re going to love that SoCal weather…

Comment by Bobby 03.21.13 @ 3:21 pm

Yes, It was a bummer to say the least. The Panthers didn’t really do anything well today. I thought they had steadly improved over the course of the season, but you wouldn’t know it by they way they played today.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 3:21 pm

they just had better players we did the best we could with what we had.
peace brothers at least we got here

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 3:22 pm

It’s always Next Year. F’ing PITTiful. As much as I like Jamie, maybe it’s time to let the guy go if he is courted. Nice run over the past 10 years getting into the national spotlight, the run in the Tournament appearances and 20+ win seasons, but damn…what a bunch of underachievers. There was no hunger today. None in any facet of the game. Bring Sean Miller from AZ. I think it would be attractive for him to return.

Comment by Pitt it IS 03.21.13 @ 3:22 pm

This team has no cohesion offensively. They have no one who can consistently light it up offensively, dribble drive it to the hoop and create off the dribble. The guard play except for JR is atrocious. As the commentator said the guards rarely if ever throw it to the post or pick and roll. Don’t even get me started on the SF/PF production and passing.

I suspected they would lose today because of the aforementioned. Therefore I am not surprised but at lest Sleepy and Tra are not here next year and Newkirk, Young and possibly Severe or another 2 guard scorer can come in this years class. Also Steve and JR will have one year under their belts and will work their tales off during the off-season. Also have heard good things on Chris Jones

While it is downer they lost this game,I really think next year’s team will be better. T

Comment by Kenny 03.21.13 @ 3:25 pm

Pitthetic

Comment by Cool Hand Nuke 03.21.13 @ 3:25 pm

If Pitt’s AD was any good he would be talkin to Butler head coach or Gonzaga’s coach or some other up and comer. Time to move on.
This will never happen with SP who is content with the current staff and top 68 every year. More of the same, more of the same over and over again.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 3:26 pm

Do you guys think that Shocka Smart from VCU would come here??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:26 pm

I am a huge die hard Pitt fan, like most of us on here. But this display today is totally unacceptable and inexcusable. NO true Pitt fan, in good conscience, could ever defend such an embarassing. performance, nor should it be without consequence.

Comment by pittman4ever 03.21.13 @ 3:26 pm

@SFPitt it was ridiculous for you to take it to that personal level with the players. Do you really think Woodall, a guy who has given his last 5 years to our school that we all love, wanted to play his last game at Pitt as that? It had nothing to do with heart or intensity or whatever, they had a horrible game at the worst time to have a horrible game.

I’m not a Kool Aide drinker. I don’t think Dixon is the greatest coach ever. If you pay attention, I’m critical of him when it warrants it. I always say how he needs to run more and pressure the ball more. I also always say I don’t like his obsession with D to the point that it ruins the O. And I’ll never say that Dixon is the greatest coach. He’s really good. How many NCAA tournaments did Pitt make before 2001? Barely any. So if you change coaches history suggests that more likely than not the program will take a step back into being bad if he leaves. There is absolutely no guarantee a guy like Shaka or Sean Miller is walking through the door next. And knowing Steve Pederson, we would probably get retread guy like Herb Sendeck or Seth Greenberg, both guys who as coach make the tournament a lot less often and haven’t done anything in the tournament. So yeah, call me a Kool Aide drinker if I’d take the known of 20 win seasons with constant NCAA tournaments over the likely alternative of occasional NCAA tournaments and losing seasons. I mean some of you guys still harp on the firing of Wanny who wasn’t nearly as successful.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 3:28 pm

Groat and Hilgrove are not sparing anything. Those poor guys had to watch it at floor level.
So Dixon had a wry smile when seeding was announced dud he?
I predict he goes to USC. He won’t take Pitt any higher.
Sandal on the radio just called Pitt “passive”. That means pussy but he can’t say it.

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 3:29 pm

Pathetic performance.

I think somebody said at halftime….well they can’t play worse in the 2nd half.

Guess what,…..we were far worse, cause their defense wilted, gave up 50 points in the 2nd half.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 3:30 pm

I agree Kenny about next year, but all indications of past performance tells me different. JD got us to the dance but fails everytime.

Comment by frankarms 03.21.13 @ 3:31 pm

If its anything we can look forward to next year, it’s the play of Adams. Toward the end of the game, with players feeding him inside, Adams started to show some moves to the bucket. It’s too little, too late of course, but with an inside threat, it takes some pressure off our shooters.

Also, I’m really starting to question this methodical, half-court offense. I think some modification needs to be made–when it fails, it’s catastrophic.

Comment by Lou 03.21.13 @ 3:33 pm

Why would Shaka leave a better job at VCU to work at Pitt with Steve Peterson. The guy is the laughing stock of NCAA sports…Athletes and Coaches and AD’s alike. He is a joke and that is a well known fact. Why would Sean leave AZ? No one would leave to take this job as Peterson is a big reason why people take new coaching gigs. Ask anyone associated with sports about the bum. Oh and to use the word pussy isn’t a big deal. This isn’t 4th grade Ward.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 3:33 pm

Also by the way, if I knew that Dixon would be replaced by one of the following: Shaka Smart, Brad Stevens, Sean Miller of Ben Howland and maybe even a guy like Bryce Drew, then I would gladly let him go.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 3:35 pm

@Ward
I disagree with you. The players you mentioned are both of age and today, they were just as I described them.
If you listen to coach Sandal, he is saying the same thing I am.
He has used the word “passive” more than 5 times
These players come from the playground and I assure you the word “passive” is not in their vocabulary. The word I use is.

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 3:35 pm

One and Done Dixon…

Comment by Marco 03.21.13 @ 3:35 pm

I am aware of Dixon’s/Team’s failures in both the ncaas, regular season and bet. The only team which had many things mentioned above was the 2008 team. This and other teams did not.

Comment by Kenny 03.21.13 @ 3:36 pm

That press defense was pathetic as well.

Did it even create one turnover.

It was embarrassing they were pressing us with a 13 to 15 point lead.

I like Coach, but his teams are too easy to defend. Especially against other Top 50 teams.

We are a one trick pony. We play tough defense most of the time and out energize the other team.

When that is equaled be the other team(and in one & dones it usually will be), Coach has no other tricks, schemes or anything that would give us an edge.

Although I’m not for bringing Howland back, he taught Dixon how to coach.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 3:37 pm

Whether you guys will admit it or not, this team exceeded expectations from everyone. No one even thought they would be in the top 10 seeds in the NCAA tournament at the beginning of the year. No one thought they were going to be a 4th seed in the BET. But they were. They got 24 wins with a mediocre team. Woodall has been inconsistent all year. Sleepy…dont get me started. We have a pussy center that has to grow up. Hes a true freshmen, same with Robinson. Ziegler sucks. Patterson is pretty much useless. But you have to admit, Jamie Dixon coach this team that had no expectations this year for greatness to 24 teams. Wichita State isnt a bad team. They are tough. It wasnt even Dixon’s fault they lost. The players showed ABSOLUTELY NO HEART! You want to win games, you show heart, you want the ball in your hands, you want to make that show. We had those players. Fields, Young, Wannamaker, Knight. There was no player this year that had that spark this year. They gave up on the post even though Adams played alot better than he did against Cuse. They didnt even look at him. Let the big boy try. its better than taking bad shoots 10 feeet behind the 3 point line. There was no flow, thats on dixon, he has to adapt his game in certin points, but remember this is a much different team than he had before. He shouldnt leave because he has been consistent in the conference. This wasnt a team picked to go far. This is a rebuilding year. Robinson has to learn to be faster, shoot and pass better, (remember hes a freshmen). and Adams his a true freshmen from out of the country, Dixon will develop him. Everyone needs to relax, because I freaking know that 98% of you didnt have them going far in your brackets. H2P

Comment by Kohan 03.21.13 @ 3:39 pm

To all of you Dixon haters who can’t wait to shove him out the door…be careful what you wish for…remember, we went through this before with Walt Harris…we are still recovering from that move…if you think that you are going to get some top shelf coach, Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart or even Sean Miller to leave Arizona…you guys are smokin’ some pretty strong stuff

I don’t agree with everything that Dixon does, for one I think that he should schedule more like Izzo than Boeheim because to be the best, you should beat the best, but he has taken Pitt basketball further than any of his predecessors and has made them one of the top programs in Division I even without recruiting NBA level talent…

I for one hope that he doesn’t leave, but if he should, I hope that we don’t rue the day that he does…

Comment by Leaseman 03.21.13 @ 3:41 pm

Wardapalloza……your not allow to agree with anything with coaching change…if your always defending this current pitt team…thats not cool…either your ok with the current staff or your not

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 3:42 pm

Sorry everybody, I’ve been taking my frustration out on here. Took some deep breaths and I’m sane again. Watching a bad Pitt loss at work where you have absolutely no ability to flip out is one of the worst things ever. So I apologize.

EMel, Howland is definitely a better game coach than Dixon. Howland would be the best coach with BCS experience that they could get.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 3:46 pm

Everyone seems to be forgetting the #1 finish in last year’s tournament.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 03.21.13 @ 3:46 pm

After seeing Greg Marshall take little Winthrop to 7 NCAA tourney’s in a row and now being a Wichita State, he totally outcoached Dixon today.

They came out of the locker room after halftime and just blew Pitt off the court.

And like the announcers said Marshall lost 4 starters off his team last year.

You can tell in the tournament who can really coach and who can’t. Because the talent level is about equal. Actually Pitt had much higher ranked players than WSU. They are just not being used properly, being played out of position, etc.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 3:48 pm

Leaseman….I would rather risk having Wake Forest’s program than to go through this every year for the next 20 years. At least there’s a chance at a Final Four with a new coach…..none with Dixon.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 3:50 pm

lol Wardapalooza

breathe deep my friend.

Myself I picked a bad week to give up drinking.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 3:51 pm

My 10 year old son knows what a pussy is. Pitt is a pussy along with the boy he tackled at the playground the other day who then got up and quit.

I’m tired of Jamie’s excuses. Hell boys let’s just run faster.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 3:53 pm

I really like Dixon but he is responsible for getting the team ready to play. I know the style of play is defensive but the team looked confused and easily frustrated with no answer.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 3:54 pm

Jackagain…..You would want a losing season for 20 years then a winning season every year? Wake forest type program…thats insane. Id rather lose every year in the tournament and be competetive in the ACC. Hes the best coach the program has ever had. Who would replace him?

Comment by Kohan 03.21.13 @ 3:54 pm

Howland might have the most experience.

But I’m really tired of this style of half court mess. And he would just continue that.

Plus he’s not going to be able to recruit like he did at UCLA, just because they’re UCLA and we’re not.

Ben is getting run out of town mostly because ppl can’t stomach to watch his teams play. Games are very ugly, similar to Pitt.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 3:56 pm

I still think if Adams and Taylor played together, we could have dominated inside and their bigs would have fouled out early. The pick and role was open all day and worked every time we went for it. When we were down 3 making our comeback, Patterson misses a wide open Taylor for a jam.

Sorry for Woodall, but he did not play like a senior today. I said all year, we are only as good as he and Patterson, they both stunk today. We stunk today.

This game was the definition of CHOKE.

One criticism of Jamie that I agree with, he does not make adjustments. He went with the same rotation, even after Taylor and Moore looked ready to play and Woodall, Patterson and Zanna did not.

I see no upside to Zeigler whatsoever.

The number of unforced turnovers was unbelievable.

Did Moore take a 3 today? Too many round pegs in square holes.

Comment by gc 03.21.13 @ 3:58 pm

You cannot have players that are afraid to make a mistake because they will be pulled. How can you shoot over 70% one game and totally lay an egg in others. Makes no sense. by looking at talent alone Pitt should havewon this game by 20 but they are being held back and not allowed to play. I have heard enough about how you play defense in practice and how you rebound in practice will get you playing time in this system. Although OK for a 28 game season I agree this will never get it done in a one and done tournament. I would like to see the leash off of JJ and Durand but that will never happen.

Comment by JP 03.21.13 @ 3:59 pm

Pitt basketball needs some High Octane :)

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 3:59 pm

Shaka coaches with fire and passion and his players model that style. He would be 10 x’s better than Dixon. Dixon is always outcoached. This guy at Wichita State smoke him today.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 3:59 pm

@ gc

ditto

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:00 pm

Ward – It’s all good buddy. Frustrating day but most of knew the track record of March and prepared for it.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 4:00 pm

Who would replace Dixon? Someone who doesn’t run a 1957 style BB program and one more suited for the ACC.

link to panthersprey.blogspot.com

Wichita state lost 4 players from last years team. They can reload quicker and better than us?

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 4:00 pm

They showed no intensity like they did with fields and young etc. Thats the problem. and thats the players, Not the coach. The players have to want to win, not just show up and see what happens every year. Show them an inspirational video or something, jesus. Pump up music, something. Nothing was more intense then Young or Brown’s dunks, or fields crossover three pointer, We dont have those players…least not yet.

Comment by Kohan 03.21.13 @ 4:01 pm

Tx Panther – LOL.. I agree. Hope your well. Let’s grab a beer soon.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 4:01 pm

Kohan & Leaseman
Today is not the day to defend the coach. HIS players were unprepared, HIS players played uninspired. The buck stops with HIM. HE makes millions of dollars to puut a competitive team on the floor. Today, when it counted. HE .failed in his job. If HE was a volunteer coach I would agree with you but HE’S the one getting paid, not the players. Hence, HE is responsible for this utter failure.

Comment by pittman4ever 03.21.13 @ 4:03 pm

Such a disappointment. For all the complaining about only receiving an 8 seed, maybe now we can understand why. Pitt is overrated year, after year. Underachieving. Dixon’s refusal to change his tactics and let this team “just play” are what killed us today.
I’m grateful for everything that he has done, but it’s time for a change.
Pacific, Butler, Wichita St, Kent St, Nova, etc…what is the common denominator? DIXON!!!

Comment by hacky3 03.21.13 @ 4:03 pm

levance field posted this pitt offense sucks
on a cbs site.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 4:03 pm

I seriously don’t know where this program is going….does anyone feel confident with this current coaching staff?…moveing to the ACC..someone tell me it will be ok??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:04 pm

I just realized Jamie Dixon is basically my Pitt basketball wife, I’ll defend him until A. he leaves me or B. Kate Upton aka Shaka Smart comes walking in the door and is guaranteed to be with me.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.21.13 @ 4:05 pm

Meanwhile Southern is having with the Zags..

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 4:06 pm

Unsat. I knew we could lose this game. I did not think we could get blown out!

Comment by HbgFrank 03.21.13 @ 4:07 pm

I agrre 100% with the color commentator
1. Adams is a lottery pick if goes out this year
2. Adams is a warroir he is certainly not soft.
3. Adams is a monster inside he’s unstoppable
This brought on his obvious question that has been obvious all year with the exception of Robison the lack of talent on this team.
Why isn;t Adams the focus of the offense and why does he sit out so much when he is not in foul trouble
If you ever wondered why it takes 15 shots for Woodall to make four watch his realse there is absolutely no rotation on his ball.
As for his master at turning over the ball I would attribute that to Dixon’s poor recruiting that a team with Pitt’s record (inflate though it is) cannot recruit a decent guard (brabdon Knight needs to be fired).
Dixon 10 man rotation playing players like Durand Johnson, Wright, althogh I see not much better among the others never did help it hurt continuity.
Taylor and Adams should have each played 30 minutes at the same time to take advantage of our assest in this game going inside.
Have Robinson get the ball inside and let them hammer the boards.
Dixon’s idea was better, bring in the DII shooter D. Johnson and let him throw line drives at the backboard.
Dixon’s apparent need to bring Adams along slowly was the biggest mistake. If you get lucky (he will never be able to recruit someone like Adams) you run with that thoughbred and let him know you expect mistakes but he is the man not Tray Woodall.
Adams showed today when his teamates would allow him in the game that he is the only player on the team who can control the game.
I hope Young can step in as a freshman because Zanna is terrible.
Adams should go NBA, but if he stays they one dominant player and a solid guard.Hopefully Young can give them a third player.
Perhaps Dixon might use Adams next year.
Dixon’s inability to suceed in NCAA in my opinion reflects on the fact that he has not been able to recruit a shooting guard and he offensive schemes are predictable and rely on the wrong players.
At the end of the first half with Pitt’s ball with 20 seconds I was stunned that Woodall got the ball dribbled around for 14 seconds and shot a fall away 3. It could have been Fields, Kruaser,et.al., the only play Dixon runs-give to the senior guard do not pass ball take any shot even though you are a terrible outside shooter.

Comment by pittisit 03.21.13 @ 4:09 pm

pittman4ever….it is also not the time to start busting out names to replace the guy. Its been an hour since the game has been concluded. Remember the last time Pedersen made a quick decision on a winning program….what did/do have? Think everyone should wait a week before anyone makes anymore comments, or atleast take a drink or two. Let our rage cool down. He is responsible. your completely right, but to a certain extent. Players have to want to win, and someone times No matter what you say to them or anyting, it wont change the teams personality. Either way it wouldnt matter to me. The whole team is at fault, Woodall and Taylor. But dixon kept coaching till the last buzzer, Woodall clocked out at 4. 5th year senior, what leadership. He didnt even want to be there, and theres nothing a coach could do about that.

Comment by Kohan 03.21.13 @ 4:10 pm

Vegas had us a 5 point favorites. lol

And we lose by 19. that says it all

Add Wichita State another mid-major to:

Kent State
Pacific
Bradley
(I’m getting sick)
Butler
Xavier

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:12 pm

Anyone want to see a team that wants to win, go turn on the Davidson game right now.

Comment by Kohan 03.21.13 @ 4:14 pm

How is Spring Pitt football practice coming along?

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.21.13 @ 4:14 pm

This may be a lower point than the Sun Bowl. Hard to tell, but the negativity is insanely high right now. At least I don’t have fly back from the game, as I did after the sun bowl. I feel terrible for the Pitt fans that went to SLC.

How we lost that game was incredible. Losing was not unimaginable, but we just went through the motions as if it were an exhibition game.

Comment by Greg in New Orleans 03.21.13 @ 4:14 pm

I guess todays game answers why Birch is at UNLV. Dixon use of Adams who at this time of the year could have been one of the most dominant forces offensively in college as he is defensively should resolve any speculation.

Comment by pittisit 03.21.13 @ 4:16 pm

No set of bloggers defend Dixon more than the group at Scout.com, but read some of these posts right now….

link to mbd.scout.com

Dixon’s time is over now…..bye…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 4:16 pm

Team has been on downward trend since Tom Herrion left. He was the only one on those staffs that had the balls to suggest to Coach what to do, since he actually has more experience coaching.

The last couple of staffs have been worthless except for running practices I suppose.

They are ALL “yes” men. That is ok if you’re a great in-game coach. Jaime is not.

But the staff is Jamie’s responsibility.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:18 pm

@ Dr. Tom

Sayonara Boy is not there….it’s going great !!!

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:20 pm

I’m not going to suggest running Jamie out of town but if I saw an athletic official from USC anywhere in Pittsburgh I certainly wouldn’t try to block him from getting to Oakland…

Comment by marty 03.21.13 @ 4:20 pm

pittisit….right about Birch… brilliant move on his part to transfer. There’s a reason why Dixon doesn’t develop NBA players…Taylor should have played at the 4 his whole career too.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 4:21 pm

Emel…..totally agree with what you said….our current staff of coaches are not good…and that is dixon resposibility…and I’m sick of this style of bbal..

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:21 pm

the mid major vs major argument is thin to me. Butler made it to the championship game that year — how weak could they have been? just really lucky? I’ll concede Bradley and Pacific, even if those weren’t the strongest Pitt teams that got beaten.

We’ve also lost in recent years to Mich St and UCLA — good teams but neither was anything special.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 4:23 pm

agreeing with everything about players not developing becasue they didn’t have a chance to..and playing out of position..

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:23 pm

Dixon is gone. Told the players.

Comment by John Ramella 03.21.13 @ 4:24 pm

every time I hear about how “hard” they practiced in preparatio for a big game I can be pretty much certain they’ll come out and lay a brick. They should broadcast these hard practices and let us be the judge. I didn’t see any evidence of them playing “hard” howeve they practiced.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.21.13 @ 4:26 pm

You sure of that John? Source?

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 4:26 pm

John……dont be teasing me!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:26 pm

Well, I still think the decision on Dixon’s future will ultimately be made by Dixon himself. I’m not sure his stock goes much higher at this point – if he has a good offer on the table from USC and truly loves the area, now might be the time. He may not get a better offer anytime soon. I don’t think Smiley or Nordy have the stones to fire him regardless, and I’m not sure they should. Walking into the ACC with a new coach/staff would be difficult at best and embarrassing at worst. If Dixon leaves of his own accord, it is what it is.

The upside to all this: my bracket looks really good right now.

Comment by thestumper 03.21.13 @ 4:27 pm

REad an article on ESPN or somewhere where Refs might start being told to clean up this defensive style of bball. As it’s ruining the game, all the contact being allowed, the holding, the clutching and since scoring is at it’s lowest since 1952, ppl aren’t that thrilled watching it.

It was ok at first with Ben since Pitt had been down for awhile, but it is an incredibly ugly style of basketball and quite boring to watch.

Might be a reason why there are so many no shows at the Pete over the last several seasons, even for BigEast conf. games.

Tony Bennett has brought it with him from Washington State and UVA are really ugly games to watch as well. And I don’t.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:29 pm

I apologize but this loss was entirely and totally my fault. I was unable to watch or listen to the game. Without me there to yell at the TV, the team played uninspired.

I apologize to all of you who have put up with me all season.

On to Labor Day and FSU.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.21.13 @ 4:30 pm

I finally agree with Smizek on something. It is Groundhog day but there is no Andie MacDowell in this version.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 4:31 pm

Pitt shoots 80% from the line and loses by 18…noone would have predicted that?!?!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:32 pm

Even Andie is getting old !

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:33 pm

Worst of all worlds. Dixon is gone. Adams announces for the draft.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 03.21.13 @ 4:35 pm

where’s Frankcan’s buddy today ?

spiritofsection22

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 4:35 pm

Woodall and Dixon both cried and post game press confrence

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:43 pm

Worst of all worlds…Dixon stays… Adams announces for the draft.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 4:46 pm

Marguette down 5 points to Davidson, hits two 3 point shots, in closing seconds and after a bad pass by Davidson, goes coast to coast in 6.7 seconds for the lay-up to win buy 1 point.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 4:49 pm

Jackagain…….very funny man!..but agreed!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 4:50 pm

When the pressure is on and he’s out of his BE comfort zone Dixon reverts to being an assistant coach, he doesn’t have the answers
With a great head coach we win it all with Blair & Fields and get to the final four with Brad & Gary. The program at Pitt has peaked under Dixon, he cannot win out of his comfort zone even if he has the better team. Howland is not the answer.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.21.13 @ 4:53 pm

Can u imagine Pitt ever doing that Justinian ?

Agree Old School.

The program has plateaued. Dixon/Howland helped put Pitt back on the bball map. Very much appreciated. That style of coaching is not going to get us beyond early flameouts. As you’re not going to be able to bring the elite players in to beat other equally or more talented teams.

Actually we’re losing to lesser talented teams.
Wichita State doesn’t have better players than us contrary to what Smizik or others are writing.

What do they have is; these teams play with more confidence than Pitt and that is on the coach too.
This style of play causes players to play very tentative, as in they make a mistake and immediately are yanked from the game. And after a while that effects your confidence.

The lesser talented players might respond to this, but the more talented players do not, for the most part. EVen Sam Young wanted out of Pitt after his sophomore year. Had Huggins stayed at K-State, he was gone. Only Huggins moving back to WVcc saved that from happening. And without Young we never make the Elite 8 that year, probably don’t even make the Round of 32.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 5:07 pm

I took Oregon and Ole Miss going far. Im winning this bracket this year.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 5:18 pm

The program peaked under Wanny. It has now peaked under Jamie. Howland is a retread and would be a bad replacement.

I want a Final 4 and a more exciting style of play.

In my opinion, Pitt needs to go out and get a young proven coach who is a great recruiter, who has an exciting style of play, and who is willing to let his players play but stay out of trouble and attend class.

I can think of at least 3 replacements and yes Shaka is one of them and yes our AD is a reason why those types of coaches will be hesitant to come here.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 5:18 pm

One of the main problems here is that Dixon’s recruiting died today……it was on life support going in and is now DOA.

No player who can score and has any brains at all will come to Pitt now. The reputation of flaming out in March is cemented in the minds of everyone who follows BB.

This is one of the main reasons why Dixon has got to go….should be interesting to see what Newkirk & Young do now. Neither guy is signed…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 5:21 pm

Times like now, is why Stevie Cornhole had to be replaced several months or longer ago.

I don’t want that clown being in charge of hiring a janitor let alone a new bball coach.

Double Yike’s !

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 5:30 pm

LOL EMel….that is the main Pitt problem now for sure…..just shoot me…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 5:34 pm

A good but humbling learning experience.

H2P! ????

Comment by MariettaMike 03.21.13 @ 5:50 pm

Gonzaga isn’t that good. The horrible officaiting helped them get the win over 16th seed Southern. Twice the Southern point guard hached going in by Stockton and both times they called a clean strip. It stinks, he should have the oportunity to go to line two more times.

Comment by Justinian 03.21.13 @ 5:51 pm

I said this many times– this team goes as far as Woodall takes him. What we learned today is that Trey just doesn’t have the onions to lead a championship team. He showed flashes of brilliance over the years, and I hoped that he would put it together for one lasting positive impression. However, this loss is on Woodall. Period. Hate to say it. Great kid, but his maddening no shows will be what I remember.

Comment by Pauly P 03.21.13 @ 6:02 pm

Robert Morris would’ve put up twice the fight. At least they are in tournament shape.

Comment by Cool Hand Nuke 03.21.13 @ 6:03 pm

The Zags have been known to have the Pitt anxiety yips problem. Few is another one who doesn’t know how to relax his team.

They will prolly play much better against Wichita who isn’t a good shooting team.

They beat us by 18 even though they shot 2 for 20 from 3 = 10% and 38% FG

That really tells you just how pathetic we played today. Had WSU shot say 25% from 3 they would have won by 30.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 6:03 pm

Pauly P +1

Comment by alcofan 03.21.13 @ 6:23 pm

I believe that teams in the NCAA step up their defensive effort because there is no tomorrow. Pitt definitely needs to improve offensively even if it means sacrificing defense. Today’s performance shows defense may win games but BB is about putting the ball in the net.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 6:30 pm

EMel if you are still on
zeise has done it again in his zeise out loud
the head line is awful just awful wtchita pounda
pitt.
it wont let me in to read it may be you can get in.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 6:46 pm

They must have told Zeise they don’t want his kid at Pitt.

Sad day for Pitt

1 Jamie goes to USC

2 Adams goes Pro

3 Pederson recruits his man

Comment by gc 03.21.13 @ 7:01 pm

Okay, somebody answer me this: if Jamie Dixon cared about the outcome of this game, then why did he still have all five timeouts left with 30 seconds left in the first half? Don’t you take one to call the players knuckleheads, try to light a fire under them, try something, try anything? And if not why not?

He coached like Pitt was way ahead and cruising, which clearly we weren’t.

Something fishy. And it’s not all on the players. Pitt wasn’t ready to go, and didn’t care that we weren’t ready to go, even the guys on the sidelines.

I honestly don’t get it.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.21.13 @ 7:04 pm

@FRank MD

You are exactly right sir.

Playing defense is about intensity level.
Now… during the regular season Pitt has been able to play with more intensity than most other teams. (ie, like the Uconn’s & the Cuse’s)

However in one & done games, those teams usually ratchet up their level of intensity on defense.
Which then in turn, negates Pitt’s biggest advantage. Rebounding is another area that is dependent upon intensity.

So with the intensity matched by your opponent in both defense & rebounding (because these are now one & done games), the games are won with who has the better offense.

And other than the Young/Blair team we have not had the offensive elite players or they haven’t been put in the best position to succeed with with the halfcourt sets to beat even teams with average players. Add in the fact we don’t produce many turnovers since we don’t really play an aggressive type of defense that produces turnovers, nor do we press.

As more often than not if you look back the defense has not kept anyone below 60 points, they all have scored over 70 points in most of the losses. (u can throw out the UCLA & MSU games since opposing coach also coached crawl ball)
Butler – 71
Xavier – 71
Villanova – 78
MSU – 65
UCLA – 64
Bradley – 72
Pacific – 79
OK State – 63
Marquette – 77
Kent State – 78

What this tells you is Pitt’s defense while good in the regular seasons of these years, just like this year. Isn’t what it’s cracked up to be in a One & Done game against even talent or better talent or even lesser talent teams. When those teams play with the same or more intensity of Pitt. Dixon/Howland success in coaching is dependent upon more intensity or outworking the other team in the regular season. In one & done games, that doesn’t work since other teams know if they match the intensity of Pitt they can win.

We had two (2) WSU players today who both ONLY averaged 13 ppg …..BOTH went off for over 20 points today. Despite the defensive regular season stats, we had no defensive stopper to stop either one.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:04 pm

Despite the setback today, I still like our chances against Gonzaga as much now as I did going into the tournament.

Is it too late to buy our way into the CBI?

If Dixon isn’t thinking about Southern Cal, he should be. I fear that this stunner today may have killed his chances for any school with even a semi-conscious AD. Which, of course, means Pitt will roll out the red carpet when he returns from Salt Lake City, and match his salary offer.

I used up all of the adjectives to describe a performance like today during the Wannstedt years, the 30 point loss at home to Rutgers last year, and the Notre Dame loss at the Pete this year. So all I can say now is – thanks, for living up to our expectations. And Jamie – don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.21.13 @ 7:06 pm

@FRankcan

I’ve used up my PG plus freebies. Can’t get in either.

Perhaps someone can copy & paste the whole thing on here.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:07 pm

I watched most of the game in a Georgetown BAR after a sales meeting. There is no Chivas left in Georgetown! A guy cut me off as I was pulling out of my parking space and I called him an asshole and he heard me. Amost got into it.

I wanted to wait a bit and read all the comments before I made mine.

First, I knew we were in trouble when I saw the Vegas line down to 3.5 today. Serious gamblers do not make mistakes.

My first comment…THIS HAS TO STOP! NO MORE!

We are a national embarrassment as a team in the NCAA’s and it is not going to change under this coaching staff. Results and stats do not lie.

I said yesterday that Pitt had no chance at all to win this game because WSU has one thing (OK many things) Pitt does not have. They have 3-4 quick talented quards against our one, Robinson.

Woodall as he has proven for 5 years is a slow methodical guard who sometimes can hit open threes. That’s it. Another way to look at today’s utter failure is this way:

Zanna – a joke as a playmaker/ no offensive talent at all – would be a 7 or 8 player on any other D1 top 30 team.

Patterson – a small forward playing guard, No quickness, no ability to create. Hits an occasional three

Durrand, Wright, Moore and the balance of this class could not even sit on the bench for another top 20 team.

So with that, it is amazing that Dixon and staff have gotten this many wins out of Pitt.

Folks, we need a change at the top. Today’s (and see past 6 NCAAt trips..results are no accident.

My understanding is that Jamie has been offered the USC job and I think he should take it.

For once, FRANKCAN I agree with you. It’s Miller time!

Hail to Pitt….tomorrow’s another day.

Comment by Dan 72 03.21.13 @ 7:09 pm

Francan….it’s the article above it that disturbs me…

Jamie Dixon excited about coaching Pitt next season

I can only hope it’s an old article…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 7:12 pm

Here’s the whole article:

The horse is dead so I don’t know why I should keep beating it but I will try….

Pitt just got clobbered by Wichita State — 73-55 — in the first, errrrrr second, round of the NCAA Tournament and this game smelled and looked a lot like many other of Pitt’s season-ending losses….

1.) Pitt has nobody who can create offense so when the “let’s burn clock and dribble at half court for 27 seconds” offense breaks down they end up getting bad shots at the end of the shot clock.

2.) Pitt’s guards are generally undersized and generally not overly athletic and they get exposed by more athletic or bigger guards in the tournament.

3.) Jamie Dixon’s philosophy is sound – you need to defend to win TO A POINT — but you also need guys who can score and you also need to run good offense in order to score. The handcuffs on this team are apparent, guys are not allowed to play basketball here – this team could have gone up and down and won games and been better and scored more and that’s how the game is played in the offseason.

4.) I was being half-sarcastic – only half – though on Twitter when I said Dixon would tell Seth Curry and Kemba Walker to go elsewhere — but the bottom line is it is true that he does not value offensive players and scorers and shooters nearly enough. When was the last time Pitt had a dominant offensive player? I can’t think of one during this run – Brandon Knight was close, Sam Young worked his way into a much better player than he was when he was recruited — other than that? You need guys who can score.

5.) The “we have a ten-man rotation” is always doomed to fail in the NCAA Tournament. You know why? Because teams keep their best five players on the court in one-and-done basketball situations and don’t sub unless they absolutely need a blow. And if your 8,9 and 10 guys are not different than your 3,4,5 guys, that is a real problem. Don’t believe me? Find me teams who have a true 10-man (or even 9-man) rotation that have won national titles or even got to Final Four. Most teams have 7 or 8 play the bulk of the minutes.

6.) Jamie Dixon is a good coach but this will continue to happen to Pitt unless he rethinks some things — A) Needs to value shooting and shooters more B) Needs to recruit skilled guys and let them be skilled guys and C) he needs to take some of the handcuffs off of his offensive players and stop trying to micromanage every possession. Guys need to play, they need to be allowed to create and score and bouncing the ball for 27 seconds doesn’t make you a good or efficient offensive team – it just limits possessions and keeps scores down so you can brag about defensive numbers.

7.) I laughed when people told me Pitt was going to beat Gonzaga. Do you really think a team as bad offensively as Pitt had a prayer against the Zags, who are one of the best offensive teams in the field? Think about this – WVU under Bob Huggins has been a “defensive team” and last year had a very good defensive team – and I watched the Zags carve them like a Thanksgiving turkey at Consol. You have to be able to score or you can’t win, period. That’s is just how the game is played.

8) It isn’t just Pitt – the game has been hijacked by a lot of bad offensive teams who have gone the route of “it is easier to muck up games, make them slow and ugly and grind out wins than recruit and develop skill” and the NCAA needs to address this or the game is in trouble. Look at some of the scores of these games today – it is awful basketball. I don’t mind great defense, I do mind awful offense and I also mind this “let’s burn 25 seconds every possession” mentality.

9) This game was not a fluke. The two best players on the court were in Wichita State uniforms and frankly, I think the third best player may have been as well. These teams could play 10 times and Wichita State would win 7 or 8 — they are grinders just like Pitt, they rebound hard like Pitt — and they also have better offensive players than Pitt and that was the difference.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 7:14 pm

I would only be happy with these coaches to replace JD…Mark Few…Brad Stevens…Shaka Smart..or Sean Miller…if none of them would come here…I’m scared for our future…

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 7:19 pm

@Imma

You might be on to something. For it surely was a lackluster performance. But you’d still think for Sleepy & Woodie’s last game he’d have the team going full tilt.

After getting only 42 minutes against Cuse, the bench got 72 minutes of play today.
With Durand Durand getting his most minutes of the year I believe at 19 and Wright getting his most minutes in several weeks.

Why Zeigler was out there at all was mind boggling since he hasn’t shown a thing for about 6 weeks.

The bench btw scored 20 points, 4 rebounds and 1 assist in 72 minutes. Not exactly awe inspiring.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:19 pm

@Jackagain

Thanks for posting that.

Me thinks Zeise is reading some of our bloggers.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:28 pm

Why does the Pitt team tank at the end of every season? At least once in a while you should be peaking. Playing 10 should keep them from wearing down but something is wrong.
Never was a Woodall fan, but today was awful, I hope there is a guard coming in the can shoot and penetrate, no one on this team could

is team could.
Oughtbto send Zanna to boot camp

Comment by Jimbo 03.21.13 @ 7:29 pm

Keith…nice choices but zero chance any of them come to Pitt…Z-E-R-O.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 7:31 pm

How can you people talk about.
What’s there to talk about.

Comment by Justin 03.21.13 @ 7:35 pm

@Dan 72

Glad you made it home in one piece guy.

Gotta say I’m not looking forward to another year of Zanna playing many minutes.

We finished 4 wins 8 losses against Top 50 schools

Not very good, not even .500

This teams better moments of the year was when Dixon let them play against Georgetown and DePaul twice. Ppl will say DePaul stunk and they did but they did take ND twice into overtime, led the BigEast in scoring and lost by a closer score to Wichita than we did.

I’d rather see us lose in an uptempo game, seeing some dunking and Adams trailing the play and beating his guy upcourt like in those games than this plodding boring manipulated halfcourt wrestling match with a bunch of players who can’t create their own shots if they’re life depended on it.

USC is really hungry for a winner, let them fall asleep watching those halfcourt snooze fests.

I’ve had enough as well.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:35 pm

oh

Hail to Pitt !
Veritas et Virtus !

I guess we really are a football school afterall !

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:42 pm

OK….so we have a problem then….if most of us want JD gone…who will come here??…if the four that i mentioned would pass on this job..who would come…are we a destination job..or are we falling hard??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 7:43 pm

EMel – Thought of all of you today and was trying to read up the Blather on my cell phone at halftime but frankly I was too pissed and too trashed to read it very well. I will say that the G’town fans at the bar were genuinely rooting for Pitt (either that or I must of bought them all drinks)-need to pay today’s tab our of that “special” fund…the one the wife does not see!!

Cannot remember being this down even after Nova. While I did not think we could win today, especially if we fell behind by 7 or more, I did not think we would be the “laughing stock” of the day in the NCAA’s again. And Pitt is the biggest embarrassment in the NCAA’s over the last 9 years.

My great problem with a coaching change, (and we need one badly)is that Mr. Competent “Pederson” will again lead the group making the change…and we all know his record in that department.

Why not make it a clean sweep and send Pederson packing also.

Dokish says that Miller has no interest in returning to “that situation” at Pitt. So it’s the Robert Morris coach, or the Bucknell coach or B. Knight who is our assistant now.

Still, I think it is time for a change.

History leaves clues. These results (especially today) are no accident.

Comment by Dan 72 03.21.13 @ 7:48 pm

EMel, we had a 6-7 football team with a loss to Youngstown State, a basketball team that loses to a mid major in the first road of the NCAA tournament, a girls basketball team that’s lost 35 in a row in conference yet the coach still has her job, no Olympic sports success to speak of (ya ya I know about ‘wrasslin except that came in the EWL).

Instead of debating whether we are a basketball school, football school, or ‘wrasslin school, how about we call ourselves a “smart school” from now on because that’s about all we are at this point.

Somewhere Nordy and Steve are smiling because this is what they wanted all along!

Comment by Alex P 03.21.13 @ 7:52 pm

omg….if Brandon Knight becomes the head coach..we are screwed..this program cant be that down…is it??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 7:52 pm

Paging JD Sean Miller is showing what a higher seed from a power conference is supposed to do. I hope the powers that be are starting to write some checks….I am thirsty for miller time

Comment by John 03.21.13 @ 7:54 pm

Pitt played — and coached — as if Jamie Dixon told the players at halftime that he took the USC job and everybody just mailed it in….

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.21.13 @ 7:58 pm

@Alex P

I kind of said that ‘tongue in cheek’ about us being a football school. You know.

I mean who knows about that Head Coach as well.

It I was betting on Pitt in football, I’d prolly bet we’re going to shit the bed against that schedule this year. Too many if’s is never good.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 7:59 pm

Anyone know when the Spring Game is? Speaking of Spring it’s 31 degrees tonight in MD going down to the teens. Is it ever going to be sunny and warm again??? Sorry…long f’n day.

Comment by Dan 72 03.21.13 @ 8:02 pm

@EMel

I know what you meant. I know one thing that’s not an if: we definitely have the most poorly run athletic department in the country, no denying that.

Comment by Alex P 03.21.13 @ 8:03 pm

EMel i will catch hell for this but pitt basketball is boring.
i know i should be happy that we win 20 games a year
and that should be enough.
but i have to tell the truth it is boring .
and i dont have a good time watching the games any more.
do you think i am nuts. should we want more or
should we just shut up and say it could be worse
and live with it the way it is.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 8:05 pm

Tuscon Arizona is no paradise. Arizona State is in a far more desirable locale than shithole Tuscon as ASU is very close to golfing resort of Scottsdale.

Pittsburgh consistently is rated as one of the better cities in America to live by various magazines that do that stuff.

If I had the choice I would choose Pittsburgh in a heartbeat.

But they would have to ‘retire” Stevie Cornhole for me to make the switch. So hopefully Sean will insist on that !!

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:05 pm

Lets be clear on one thing: Pitt did not lose to a better team today. Or, at least I find it hard to believe that was Wichita’s best effort. They were God awful, just not as awful as Pitt. So Jackagain, though I agree with most of your 9 point manifesto, I don’t agree with #9. This game was not the tale of a Pitt team giving its best only to be outmatched. WSU gave Pitt every opportunity to take control of the game, Pitt just had no interest. This was a mental loss, a preparation loss, a will and desire loss. We’ve seen this act before. In fact, I’d say that the only Pitt tourney exits in which they were the inferior talent team may be against UCLA and Marquette with Wade.

Why so bad today? Who the hell knows. I think Pitt came out tight and nervous and then when the second half did not begin well they cracked mentally. I do know that Pitt has played some its worst games in the Dixon era in the tourney. Teams reflect coaches personalities. Dixon uptight = team uptight.

Lots of blame on here for Dixon and his “system”. Maybe. I think he deserves more blame for not preparing his team mentally, and then not being able to rescue them mid-game. Maybe a Mike Bray technical was in order; maybe a Bobby Knight pull all 5 off the floor at once. Maybe a “just play ball” directive. Maybe a “lets run when the chance is there”, as Emel has called for time and again. Maybe call out a couple guys (Woodall, Patterson) to provide some leadership. Pitt needed a kick in the ass today. Jamie didn’t provide it. That’s why they lost.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.21.13 @ 8:06 pm

@FRankcan

Read some UCLA blogs…they feel the same way.

Grinding bball teams are very boring and are devolving the game into pre-1950’s garbage.

Had this been the way bball was played in the 1970’s college basketball would have never become the popular tv sport it has become and March Madness wouldn’t be much.

NCAA needs to do something for the good of the game as Zeise noted in his column.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:10 pm

Have to question player use. Most obvious is not getting the ball inside to Adams. Only 3 entry passes. Cannot fault players offense not designed to use an incredialy athletic 7′ physical center when you have shooters like Pitt has.
Look at stats. wonder if Jamie used to much Vaseoline in his hair today.
Adams 27 mins. only 2 fouls, 13 points, 8 on his own no help from teamates and 11 rebounds against double and tripled teamed on offensive boards after shot release. 38 minutes to 40 he is 19 years old and he showed no sense of fatigue. (forgot about 10 man rotation rule). Adams presscence always reduces opponents points 8-10 per game, if he plays.
D. Johnson – should not ever leave bench played an incredible 19 minutes shot 1-5 and contributed 4 fouls.
The major coaching labotomy. Woodall 30 minutes, thank God he is a senior, 30 minutes, shotting 1-12, who lets someone in the game who shots 12 shots and hits one and adds 5 turnovers.
This equals modestly 15 points to Wichata State.
Play Moore at 2 guard for God sake.
Sit woodall after first half.
Play Adams until he drops and tell players who do not get the ball to him they sit.
He fouls out

Comment by pittisit 03.21.13 @ 8:17 pm

Have to question player use. Most obvious is not getting the ball inside to Adams. Only 3 entry passes. Cannot fault players offense not designed to use an incredialy athletic 7′ physical center when you have shooters like Pitt has.
Look at stats. wonder if Jamie used to much Vaseoline in his hair today.
Adams 27 mins. only 2 fouls, 13 points, 8 on his own no help from teamates and 11 rebounds against double and tripled teamed on offensive boards after shot release. 38 minutes to 40 he is 19 years old and he showed no sense of fatigue. (forgot about 10 man rotation rule). Adams presscence always reduces opponents points 8-10 per game, if he plays.
D. Johnson – should not ever leave bench played an incredible 19 minutes shot 1-5 and contributed 4 fouls.
The major coaching labotomy. Woodall 30 minutes, thank God he is a senior, 30 minutes, shotting 1-12, who lets someone in the game who shots 12 shots and hits one and adds 5 turnovers.
This equals modestly 15 points to Wichata State.
Play Moore at 2 guard for God sake.
Sit woodall after first half.
Play Adams until he drops and tell players who do not get the ball to him they sit.
He fouls out Carl.
The reason Adams production on paper has not met expectations is first the offense is not design inside out or him as an option. It is outside out.
Second you only have to watch one film to seee that although Pitt is a terrible outside shooting team they do not try to get the ball inside. They dribble or pass the ball around perimeter until shot clock is at 10. Easy to defense since the guards and forwards do not look inside to a 7′ monster at center you play tigh man to man on the perimeter and contest the known coming perimeter shot.
I do not think any one on the blog despite how much they respecy Dixon as a coach, and

Comment by pittisit 03.21.13 @ 8:17 pm

EMel dockish said dixon does have a strong interest
in usc job and this time it is not all talk
he just might take it and go.
i dont think i want ben back it would be the same
boring BB then dont you think if ucla lets him go do you want him or some young gun,

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 8:21 pm

i’m not going to defend dixon; clearly his xs and os, game management and recruiting can all use an upgrade…but, ultimately it’s up to the players to make plays. how many open 3s did woodall, patterson and robinson miss today?? big time players make big time plays in the tourney. you either handle the pressure or you don’t. clearly pitt players can’t handle the pressure of the big dance.

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 8:23 pm

Iron Duke…that 9 point manifesto was a PG+ article written by Paul Zeise, not me.

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 8:24 pm

@Iron Duke

You’re right. As I noted on previous post Wichita shot only 38% FG ….pretty bad right.

From 3….they were a horrid 2 for 20 ..10%

Of course Pitt was worse at 35% FG

And from 3 and unbelievable 1 for 17 or 6%

However in the 1rst half, they had a chance when Wichita was shooting only 23% and we took one lead of I think, 2- 3 points. That was it.

After that point we never had a lead, never put much pressure on them and they played the whole game from ahead.

And then at the 7 minute mark Pitt was still onlv down by 7 points, yet went into the tank from that point to the bitter end. It was thoroughly disgusting to watch. They never made a run, that press was pathetic as the announcers noted that the back line of Pitt’s press was playing way too far back and not in position to rotate up to intercept any passes and get a much needed turnover.

As I thought all along, Dixon has no clue on how to teach a press. It took us 8 years of prodding to get him to play a little 2-3 zone. And they still don’t play that zone properly. And if I never see another 7 foot defender defending off a high ball screen 30 feet from the hoop, it won’t be too soon. That is the most ridiculous way to use a 7 footer I’ve ever seen. You’re basically taking him ‘out of the play’.

Any of the good teams will pick that defense apart on high ball screens in a one & done game.
I can still see Gary McGhee getting caught trying to guard Kemba Walker, one on one, 25 feet from the hoop.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:27 pm

5.) The “we have a ten-man rotation” is always doomed to fail in the NCAA Tournament. You know why? Because teams keep their best five players on the court in one-and-done basketball situations and don’t sub unless they absolutely need a blow. And if your 8,9 and 10 guys are not different than your 3,4,5 guys, that is a real problem. Don’t believe me? Find me teams who have a true 10-man (or even 9-man) rotation that have won national titles or even got to Final Four. Most teams have 7 or 8 play the bulk of the minutes.

So true and this needs to change!!!

Comment by TVax 03.21.13 @ 8:28 pm

If Dixon leaves I like Mike Rice Rutgers coach as he seems to have a fire in him.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 8:29 pm

@FRankcan

If you bring back Howland, it’s the same halfcourt crap as Dixon.

Plus how do you bring back someone who bailed on you ??

I know they did the same thing with Pederson as far as bringing him back(that’s been a wonderful experience huh) and Pederson and Howland are still buds.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:37 pm

Dixon should leave now.
His reputation at Pitt is carved in stone and it ain’t good.
Pitt will slowly get worse and if Dixon is to make the most of his career, he needs a change of scenery.
He will fair better than Pitt. But Pitt can’t keep him either.
Face facts, Pitt is the laughingstock of college basketball. PSU stinks but choking is perceived to be worse.
I tend to agree.
The downside for Pitt is Cyanide Stevie.
HIS coaching hires since Howland are below average to worse. Callahan, Haywood, Graham, beranato.
Ohio State just fired their head womens coach because he missed the NCAA for the first time in years..because he underachieved.
Time for Pitt to divorce itself from Dixon, Agnes and Cyanide Steve.
But it won’t and the groundhog day experience of unfulfilled potential will go on and on and on and on ….

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 8:38 pm

btw, all of you who are pining for birch…it’s crunch time in a tourney game and he’s not even on the floor for unlv.

Comment by scott 03.21.13 @ 8:41 pm

Arizona takes care of business.

32-20 at halftime.

Final…81-64

Never let Belmont think they could win.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:42 pm

Incredible Pitt hasn’t won a BigEast woman’s bball for several seasons.

How does Beranato keep her job ?

I’ve quit watching pro sports.
Maybe college is next.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:45 pm

I’d like to make this point….THE PETE..which was once a lively exciting place, has adapted to what it’s coach is…scared, nervous and boring..I’ve been to a few games in the past couple years and it is dead in there..except for the zoo..they rock!!…can you imagine if that place had exciting bball?…it would be electric!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 8:47 pm

“we had a 6-7 football team with a loss to Youngstown State, a basketball team that loses to a mid major in the first road of the NCAA tournament, a girls basketball team that’s lost 35 in a row in conference yet the coach still has her job, no Olympic sports success to speak of ”

+1

Goodbye Nordy, Cochran, Pedersen, and…..Dixon

Comment by pittbluegold 03.21.13 @ 8:48 pm

Belmont had two players go for 22 & 21…Pitt would have definitely lost to them.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:49 pm

oh I see Keith is still whining.

Comment by BCE 03.21.13 @ 8:51 pm

@Kieth

Yea I’ve noticed on Tv. The rest of place is a snoozefest.

Actually ESPN does a good job talking up the Pete it really isn’t that loud compared to other places anymore.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:51 pm

BCE…where have you been?…since you left…almost the entire message board is in agreance with getting rid of JD..your thoghts??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 8:52 pm

This was not a coaching failure or an individual failure – losing by 18 to Wichita State is a total program failure. When the best you get from your senior guard is the pathetic effort we saw from Woodall today what is a coach supposed to do? But how can you be a top flight program and not be able to get better players than him? What move could Dixon have made, who do we have that could have stepped up? Ugh.

Comment by mryoshi 03.21.13 @ 8:53 pm

VCU has 21 points already in only 7 minutes of play.

It took us a whole frickin half to score 21.

VCU 21
Akron 9

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 8:53 pm

mryoshi….well you’ve kinda answered your own quesiton…there isn’t anyone that he could have turned to..the talent level of the program has gotten worse the past 2-3 years…wen all 10 of your players are about the same talent (not good) then your right…who do you turn to??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 8:57 pm

Sorry that Tray and Dante went out on such a BEast and NCaa Tourney downer. They have given so much to the program and got so little appreciation in return. Thank you both! Temper my disappointment of Pitt loosing by the absolute revulsion I feel for much of what I have read on this blog for the past few days. Childish threats and pussie rants by certain idiots who wouldnt know the meaning of the word loyalty. Pitt wrestling has won the EWL 3 years straight and beat VA Tech the current ACC wrestling champs this season. Rip BK, when he was the heart of this basketball program coming to life. Laughing stock was what we were in the BEast being thrashed by St. John’s when BK was a kid freshman like JR was today, trying to do his best. Who is laughing now Looie the jack-ss sweater. How many Natl Champs u got? Coach Chryst deserves a chance to prove himself (at least 4 years) and he doesnt escape the rants. How many programs wish they were heading to the ACC next year. Jesus, throw it all out with the bath water, Oh and Paul Yeast you festering infection on the PG, go directly to he11! H2P! UPone

Comment by UPone 03.21.13 @ 8:58 pm

Howland has his faults, but he led UCLA to 3 straight final fours. He is a better coach in his sleep than Dixon is on 5 Hour Energy. The problem is not the style of play. The problem is the coach of the style of play. This team flat out did not show today. It had over a week to prepare for a mediocre mid-major team. And for a win or go home tournament game, that is inexcusable. But not unexpected. I do think that Dixon has simply run out of talented assistants, and on his own, is even worse in the post season than he was, which was piss poor to begin with.

And Miller – I don’t think he has any particular fascination with coming back to Pitt and working for Steverino. Who would. But it is a chance to coach in the ACC, which will be, for years to come, the first or second best basketball conference in the country. The Pac 10! will never be that.

But honestly, I would take even Mike Rice as an upgrade over this crap.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.21.13 @ 9:01 pm

Dixon, much like DW, was a guy that I hoped and prayed would someday succeed in a big way for Pitt. We all liked DW as a person and definitely appreciate the commitment he has put in. He is a great ambassador for Pitt. However, I fear that if we don’t take any action we risk becoming Boston College in the ACC. They had a strong program in the early 2000’s but never took the next step and I’m afraid that the same thing could happen to us.

I’m wary of who Nordy and SP would pick as a replacement. Then again I don’t have to worry about that because they will give Dixon at least 2 more years. He gives them a clean and somewhat respectable program and that’s really all they want as academics is they’re only priority.

Comment by Alex P 03.21.13 @ 9:04 pm

Upone…I don’t know what you want out of this university…but both fball and bball programs are not where they need to be…if your happy with that..thats fine with me…if you want to be known as a wrestling school…thats fine to…I want more for this university…Jamie has been here for 10+ years and his talent pool is getting worse…..so yeah I’m a little unhappy with the current state with pitt athletics…going to the acc is great…but i’d rather compete and excell then be a doormat…which is where we could be headed..ugh

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 9:05 pm

idk about the talent level.

We do have 3 Top 100 HS players on the roster.
1) Adams
2) Robinson
3) Zeigler

All of these guys were heavily recruited by all the top programs.

None of them seem to fit in very well with Dixon’s system. As did neither Top 100 and McDonald’s All-Americans Dante Taylor and Khem Birch.

Moore & Patterson were solid 3 and half star players coming out of HS. Woodall come out the HS National Champions that year at St. Anthony’s and was a key contributor.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 9:05 pm

VCU is running Akron off the court

Almost doubling their score 32-17 8 minute mark

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 9:06 pm

EMel…i guess i should have said it differently…our talent may still be descent..but JD’s style doesn’t allow those offensive skills or utilize them the way they should be..

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 9:11 pm

EMel one sb nation site posted dixon got official offer from usc 2.5 million per year it did not ray he took it yet.
if ben leaves ucla it looks like he might.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.21.13 @ 9:12 pm

I have sobered up and I still think Pitt needs a new coach who will thrive in the ACC. Jamies system will get exposed. Pitt needs athletes. Pitt needs to showcase them. Pitt needs offense first. I hope Jamie accepts the Southern Cal job and I pray to God our AD is not involved in any hiring decisions. Wanny got fired because he couldnt reach the next level after many tries and after embarassing losses despite the best record since Jackie. Why is Jamie treated differently? Pitt needs to go another direction.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 9:15 pm

Shaka turned down other better jobs already. Imagine you are in a interview and that douche bag Peterson starts asking questions I’d say Steve your last 5 hires were a disgrace. Football 3 hires all suck and your womams basketball coach hasn’t won a Big East game in 4 years. I would tell him he isn’t allowed to ask any questions whatsoever because he is a total fucktard.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 9:19 pm

The AD at USC needs fired for even considering Jamie “My System is a joke and boring” Dixon.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 9:21 pm

Pittsburgh 55
Total 3-point Rebounds
## Player p fgm-fga fgm-fga ftm-fta off-def tot pf tp a to blk stl min
21 Patterson, Lamar f 1-7 0-4 7-7 0-0 0 5 9 2 3 0 1 21
42 Zanna, Talib f 1-4 0-0 2-4 4-3 7 2 4 0 1 0 0 20
13 Adams, Steven c 5-7 0-0 3-4 3-8 11 2 13 1 1 2 1 27
00 Robinson, James g 2-7 0-3 3-3 0-1 1 4 7 3 2 0 1 30
01 Woodall, Tray g 1-12 0-5 0-0 1-4 5 5 2 1 5 0 0 30
03 Wright, Cameron – 3-4 0-0 0-0 1-0 1 2 6 0 0 0 1 14
05 Johnson, Durand – 1-5 1-3 0-0 0-1 1 4 3 0 0 1 0 19
11 Taylor, Dante – 2-3 0-0 1-2 0-0 0 1 5 1 1 1 0 13
23 Zeigler, Trey – 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-2 2 1 0 0 2 1 0 6
44 Moore, J.J. – 3-5 0-2 0-0 0-0 0 1 6 0 0 0 1 20
TM TEAM – – – – 2-2 4 – – – – – – –
Looking at the statistics it is obvious the poor coaching in this game.
First Pitts advantage was height Adams who could foul ou their best player. However Dixon stuck with the same offense, Adams as last resort so the defense could play the perimeter tight not having to worry about inside entry passes to a 7′ athletic center whose offense production is a direct result of non-use “the guy is a monster I do not understand why they do not use him {color commentator].
Adamas played only 27 minutes had only 2 fouls and was not fatigued scored 13 points with 11 rebounds as a role player.
Woodall 30 minutes 1-12, 5 turnovers (should have limited to 10 minutes.
D. “shot the brick from anywhere” Johnson 17 minutes 1-5, 5 fouls.
Wright 14 minutes 3-4 should have played instead of Woodall.
Moore instead of Patterson.
Most importantly a good coach adapts to the his advantage (Adams) and changes during the game as players perform or fall apart.
I am not a Dixon hater but I think it is obvious he is not a good game coach or offensive coach. He needs to hire a coach to run the offense.
He needs to recruit better guards like Robinson, preferably shooting guards.
Last he should of built the offense around Adams from game one instead of bringing a 7′ basketball marvel along too slowly. Only Adams was going to take Pitt anywhere and he did simply playing part time with his defense.
He may have taken us further if Dixon would have ebcouraged him offensively from game one, someone with the talent to handle Noels and others, so that by March his confidence at the offensive end would match his defensive presence.

Comment by pittisit 03.21.13 @ 9:23 pm

Upone
You want to hang your hat on an EWL wrestling streak be my guest, but that too is gone. If Pitt can’t beat Edinboro and Cleveland State et al, then it should be ashamed.
I am more persuaded by our performances in football (sad), mens basketball (national choke artist), women’s basketball (doormat), swimming (looked at the Trees pool records? Ever? Pitt doesn’t hold one single pool record and team records are mostly from the 90’s and early 2000’s), soccer, etc
Our athletic department stinks. Basketball has been our shining star, but with the diminished returns, all if our warts are exposed.
There are alot of people on the Pitt welfare system collecting paychecks inside the Athletic Department.
But hey, maybe you’re right. After all, someone has to lose: we can’t all be winners can we?
So be satisfied with perennial losing if you like, just don’t damn those of us who think the school we love deserves mire than it gets from the people it pays.

Comment by SFPitt 03.21.13 @ 9:28 pm

Not to defend or blame anyone today but if the talent was so lowsy how did we trounce gtown a few months ago?? Beat cuse(I know without southerland) and was at least close in the Louisville game…the cupboard isn’t bare, but Pitt just doesn’t have a take over the game type shoot the lights out type of player that it so desperately needs….defense has been this teams focus but what good is it if you hold your opponent to 39% and still get the doors blown off of you by 18 points??

Comment by BCPITT 03.21.13 @ 9:29 pm

SFPitt…i couldn’t have said it better myself…some of these people on this site are oblivious to what people like us see…i want Pitt to thrive and excell in so many ways…and it bothers me that it doesn’t..it’s not wrong to want the best for the universtiy that you love…but people are sensative to the truth..but the truth is the truth…come on panther nation..open your eyes!!

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 9:32 pm

Keith, What I want is for the University of Pittsburgh to be a prominent educational institution, hailed for it’s research and contributions to mankind (such as the the polio vaccine and Jonas Salk) and to participate collegiately in athletics with pride and character unlike the Rick “wife, who cares I gotta priest on my bench” Pitinos of the gutter!!!! H2P UPone

Comment by UPone 03.21.13 @ 9:33 pm

Upone…that sounds great….I’ve got a perfect place for you….The IVY LEAGUE…name me another university that has those qualities that you want and big time athletic programs??

Comment by Keith 03.21.13 @ 9:40 pm

SFPitt you consider Norman Horowitz, Roger Kingdom, Jonas Salk, Thomas Starzel, Benjamin Spock, Lap-chee Tsui, to be a loosers?Hail to Pitt. UPone

Comment by UPone 03.21.13 @ 9:43 pm

I can care less about being a excellent educational facility. It’s a good school a little above average. We aren’t the Ivy league Upone. I want wins and not a national embarrassment in Hoops and Football. We current stink in both.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 9:44 pm

90% of this board have heard of Salk and probably less than 20% have heard of the rest. No offense but I can care less. I want to compete. If you had your way I’d just shut down the AD Program.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 9:47 pm

OMG, how many thousands were saved from death and wheelchairs by just the work of Dr. Salk and you think it sounds great. Children without braces. Transplanting organs so that loved ones don’t die like Dr. Starzel. Pitt could win the next 10 Natl Championships in any and all sports and never touch what those great men did which honored this hallowed institution valled Pitt. Get a f-ckin grip! H2P UPone

Comment by UPone 03.21.13 @ 9:50 pm

With all due respect, my older son chose Pitt because it was a world class academic university with top tier D1 athletics in a urban environment. Nothwithstanding the loss tonight, the last few years (decades?) in football, it is still that. Everyone, every where I go knows Pitt the University and Pitt the D1 teams. We are close to the summit academically. We are approaching the summit athletically. We need to do more in both. But there is no reason on earthy why we can’t do both. Duke isn’t Ivy League. Neither is Stanford. Pitt can – and will – get there.

HTP!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.21.13 @ 9:52 pm

There are plenty of coaches out there that win in the post season and are not Rick Pitino. To use him as a reason why we should all be ecstatic that we have Jamie Dixon as a head coach is ludicrous. I commend him for his commitment to graduating players, and what appears to be his decency as a family man. He is a lousy post-season coach. And if you cannot win in the post season, why bother?

Pitt has been recognized as a world class university, and rightly so. So has Duke, Wisconsin, and a few others that seem to do quite well athletically, and with coaches that do not cheat, on the court or off. There is no reason why excellence cannot carry over into the athletic department. No reason outside of the current AD, I mean.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.21.13 @ 9:53 pm

Upittbaseball that was the most vulger, tasteless, classless and immature statement ever made on this board. UPone- Totally out!

Comment by UPone 03.21.13 @ 9:54 pm

Wow Upittbaseball. You could (n’t) care less about being an excellent eduacational facility? WTF? That’s what we are first! It’s a freakin’ university! I knew from your previous posts that you were clueless, but now, I think you’re actually a detriment to society.

Comment by panther94 03.21.13 @ 9:59 pm

Upone – Did you even play sports? Like the posters say above you can have both. A good school and good sports. You need to chill out with your polio this and that and quit putting words in my mouth. I said I want wins. I didn’t discount Salk or his accomplishments. Twist someone else’s words if it makes you feel like a tough guy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:00 pm

Upone…I at least expect Pitt players in both BB & FB to play with heart, and I haven’t seen it constantly in our BB team since Howland left and I haven’t seen it in our FB team since Sherrill left.

That’s my biggest beef. Look how Southern U played the Zags today….I will NOT accept this kind of gutless trash from my Pitt teams! I’m sick of it!

My guess is you’re a loyal Pirates fan too…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 10:01 pm

Watching CO State play and every player is playing like their life depended on it.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 10:05 pm

Panther94 – Excellent University? We are a very good school.We are ranked 58 on Forbes top schools…PSU is ranked #46 FYI. That’s pretty good academically…I want a good athletic program as well.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:06 pm

Jackagain, what’s wrong with understanding that Pitt is an educational institution first? I, like you, want more, though. I want us to be the best possible in all sports and we need an AD to spend the money to get us there. The difference, I guess, is that even if we suck in sports, I’m proud that I got a degree at Pitt.

Comment by panther94 03.21.13 @ 10:06 pm

Upone – You sure you aren’t Peterson???? I think he cares as much about sports as you and he’s the AD or at least holds that position.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:07 pm

@Upittbaseball, “excellent” was the word you used. I was just repeating. it.

Comment by panther94 03.21.13 @ 10:08 pm

@Upittbaseball, don’t you mean Pederson? You do know the Pete is not named after him, right?

Comment by panther94 03.21.13 @ 10:08 pm

Panther94 – I think Upone used the word Excellent to be honest. Boy there are some teams with less talent that are playing hard and with heart and passion tonight.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:10 pm

Panther94 – LOL…. Yes…. Steve probably likes that the folks think that’s his arena and baseball fields, etc.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:10 pm

I agree Upittbaseball. If our BB team played with as much passion as we have as fans, then we’d be preparing for Gonzaga.

Comment by panther94 03.21.13 @ 10:11 pm

and beating them…Boy Southern had them on the ropes buddy.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:13 pm

CO State number one in country in rebound margin. If they win tonight Louisville game a must see.

Comment by Frank MD 03.21.13 @ 10:22 pm

panther94….this is a college sports blog…all colleges and universities deal in education, but I expect a coach who’s being paid 2 million a year to do a better job.

Pitt’s March BB is now the laughing stock of America and it’s been permanently cemented in the minds of every America BB fan and sports writer. I can’t even show myself on the ESPN blogs now…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 10:24 pm

I expect Pitt to be very good in both athletics and academics. A well rounded university. Pitt isn’t very good when it counts in sports because we have a weak AD and a Chancelor that accepts mediocrity in sports. I don’t expect Pitt to be elite in both but there is no reason why we can’t be very good consistently year after year. We need both for a full and rich college experience. We need both for a powerful brand. We need a forceful AD to tell Jamie its put up or shut up time but Stevie is too chummy and all Nordy cares about is rubbing elbows with southern elitist Presidents from Tobacco Road talking about constitutional law and the latest in behavioral psychology. For Christ’s sake what we have here is not acceptable. We need an administration that is competent on both academics and overall athletics. We need both to be strong. I make no apologies. Here me know, Pitt needs new leadership for its future. The sooner the Kool Aid high wears off the better for some of you zombies. I want balance in the Force. Right now there is a disturbance and his name is Darth Smiley.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 10:28 pm

TX Panther – LOL “Darth Smiley” So true…

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 10:30 pm

I hope Chas didn’t take the bridge today…I can’t wait to see the next couple threads here…

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 10:31 pm

wow

VCU 86
Akron 39 4 minutes

Syracuse 38
Montana 15 halftime

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 10:32 pm

seems like we were the worst prepared team of the 16 teams that played today.

Even Southern U.

Comment by EMel 03.21.13 @ 10:33 pm

Dixon’s new assistant coach stopped by over the weekend for a look at the program…

link to youtube.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.21.13 @ 10:38 pm

Damn right this house has gone crazy. Let’s see Jamie keeps doing the same shit time after time and we get the same results…failure to advance. Yet somehow this year was going to be different. I sure the hell didn’t expect to get blown out like this. It was Wannyesque. And if the Pitt admin reads this board or blogs and I suspect their spies do, they should be ashamed of this aweful performance. They should also be embarassed about the overall state of Pitt athletics but I suspect they don’t care. There needs to be an entire house cleaning. Those light bulbs shouldn’t be breakin.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 10:47 pm

I’m angry, I’m disappointed. But, I’m not surprised. This team has struggled to score the basketball all season. The leading scorer is barely in double digits. Like all games, you can’t win if you don’t score points. We were doomed. Just didn’t expect to be confronted with that reality this fast. Remember when the mantra was “recruit to shoot?”

Comment by BigEgg 03.21.13 @ 10:54 pm

Now its recruit to lay a big egg come tourney time. Pitt needs those shooters for the ACC. Save the eggs for the Easter Bunny.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 11:05 pm

Before I sign off, I remember the days when this blog got 100 postings and it was considered incredible participation. This discussion alone has generated nearly 500 since the game began today. WOW! Twenty bucks for the first person to hit 500 before Chas has a new thread.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 11:26 pm

Just us Texans must still be up. Jaime will accept this job within 5 days. Good Luck with mediocrity USC.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.21.13 @ 11:31 pm

I love being an hour behind. I might just see if I can win 20 bucks from myself but I expect some Pitt student drunk off his ass to begin typing around 3 am after returning from the bars and getting some fries and pizza at the “O.”. Twenty bucks is cover for about 10 parties or can buy you 20 slices of za. You and I must meet for a drink soon. Maybe somewhere in Arlington. I’ve always liked Sherlocks. I need a drink after watching Jamie piss another tourney game away.

Comment by TX Panther 03.21.13 @ 11:42 pm

If you’re a kid who can ball, particularly if you can score points, or if you dream of post-season success or an NBA career, why would you come to Pitt?

That’s the real problem now: a self-perpetuating downward spiral.

Comment by BATR 03.22.13 @ 2:45 am

And oh by the way, if you’re USC why would you hire Dixon?

Comment by BATR 03.22.13 @ 3:04 am

@Upone
No, I don’t consider those you named to be losers. But none of them are involved in the athletic department.
I do consider the athletic department, with one or two exceptions, to be losers. One high ranking person admitted to me that though he was enrolled in Katz he didn’t put much effort into it: wow, is Pitt handing out degrees to it’s own people I wondered.
Simply put, Pitt habitually and annually underschieves in almost every sport. Look at the records.
Next, get off your arrogant high horse. There are more universities who graduate a higher percentage of student arhletes than Pitt. Notably Penn State.
My personal opinion is that the athletic department (which means the people who work there) aren’t at the level of most D3 programs. D3 people have to be transparent, engaged and versatile on top of having a core competency.
Want to see an athletic department that achieves? Look at RMU. Go right now to their athletic website and see how polished, professional and thorough it is. Then go to the Pitt site. Night and day.
Pitt recently sent me (and I’m certain others) a mailer featuring the ACC move and generally asking for more money.
Sure you want more money; don’t all of us? But what have you done with what I’ve given thus far? A fiasco in football coaching and results. A womens team that could not possibly have lost more conference games! 2 years without a win!! And you want me to increase my subsidy? Am I fucking stupid? Is that what you think? A mens basketball program that before tonight was coming off it’s worst year in a decade, where the non conference schedule is so bad and so filled with patsies that the arena is half empty.
I follow Pitt athletics from top to bottom. The records are average at best, most years poor. The womens volleyball team has struggled, but at least they have a new coach. Did you know that Upone?
What plans do you have for my money? Give me some tangible master plans. There isn’t a business plan in place and Pitt, notably Cyanide Steve and yes, because I do believe in accountability, mark Nordenberg, have squandered that money.
Nordenberg is wonderful in many areas, but in intercollegiate athletics he is an abject failure!! He hired and has retained a fiscal fool in SP. Nothing and no one in Pitt athletics approaches a keel of excellence outside of EJ Borghetti. Even the wrestling program, while good, has benefitted from a once proud but now weak and diluted EWL.
So don’t you dare talk to me about people from different departments and different eras. The past is gone. The athletic department is in shambles and they just lost their last shred of credibility with JD’s public humiliation.
Lastly, and I know this is going to hurt, but it needs to be said.
Stop reaching into your pocket and pulling out the name of Jonas Salk.
It was decades ago and the first thing he did once he made the big time was leave Pitt.
Sorry folks, but time to stop living in the past.

Comment by SFPitt 03.22.13 @ 4:07 am

Couldn’t have said it better.

Really why would anyone give money to athletics these days. Pitt has horrible on the field results, still sub standard facilities in many areas, still waiting for that track, an incompetent management team…I can go on but I won’t boil your blood.

Pitt’s brand equity is the combination of both academics and athletics. It also takes into consideration quality of facilities. That brand is used by many audiences for many purposes. It is damn important in university circles. It also produces tangible economic results.

Why keep feeding the fools money unless you are one. Stop contributing and dare I say stop attending games and then there will be change. Hit them where it hurts…in the pocket book.

So yes I am saying destroy your athletic department. That is the only chance to rebuild it the right way and staff it with the right people. And then Pitt boosters, fans, alumni need to step up and donate money and hold the new admin accountable for results. And yes part of this new world order is an OCS along with new coaches, a track field, replacements for Fitzgerald and Trees and a new attitude that does not accept mediocrity.

Pitt is Pathetic. I know those words hurt but that is reality and those who don’t see it are living on fantasy island.

Demand change or continue to expect the same results.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 6:23 am

Adams needs to be great next year or Pitt will never get a McDonald’s AA again. With Taylor not living up to expectations; it seems Jamie Dixon stunts players growth. This was a disappointing loss because WSU played horribly and still blew Pitt out.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.13 @ 6:51 am

Adams doesn’t have to be great if Dixon doesn’t return. A new coach will be able to recruit the athletes and stars that will make Pitt successful in the ACC and advance far in the tourney. Does anyone think that Jamie will magically become an excellent recruiter. Seriously how can any coach do worse at evaluating talent and then mismanaging it. Sorry to pile on the coach since its not all on him but he is the common denominator. I also think the athletic department needs to wake the fuck up. I will contribute whatever it takes to house clean that department. Money talks. If there are boosters out there, step up and I will follow. Change is in order for the greater good. I am sick and tired of the same results. I want to be proud of the athletic side of my alma mater.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 7:05 am

Why do most posters on this blog seem to forget that these are boys playing the sport they love. 99% of them will never make a living playing this game. 99% of them are not even old enough to legally drink! THEY DO NOT EXIST SO THAT
YOU CAN LIVE OUT YOUR UNFULFILLED FANTASIES!If you
donate to the athletic department you donate of your own free will. It is charity!! Would you also threaten to withold your gift to e.g Childrens’ Hospital because they are not competitive! Jamie Dixon is a very good maybe even
great basketball coach. More importantly he is a great human being and role model for these young men!! I suppose a lot of you would rather see a man like Jerry Sandusky in his shoes if would mean
winning a basketball game in the tournament. WHERE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES!!!!????

Comment by classof 69 03.22.13 @ 7:05 am

This team over achieved. Any discussion about a coaching
change is ludicrous. Lots of passion in the comments. All
of us are disappointed particularly in the way we lost.
However if you watched closely during the season
scoring was a challenge in every game except the blowout
vs DePaul. We desperately need a guard who can penetrate and shoot 3’s. Better days ahead.

Comment by JR 03.22.13 @ 7:10 am

I just read in the gazatte the most ridiculous statement that Adams is now projected as a 2nd round pick. Despite his non-use this year he is still the most athletic center in college. He has quick feet, huge wing span, and canrun the court with forwards.
He can handle the ball better than any 7′ player in college and has an outstanding face the basket offensive game he was not permitted to use in Pitt’s scheme.
Near the end of the seasons as his confidence improved after not getting much playing time and not being part of the offense his shotting mechanics excellent for a 7′ were demontrated by his foul shoting.
Anyone who can embarrass Noels has to be a lottery pick.

Comment by pittisit 03.22.13 @ 7:14 am

Wow, what a difference a game makes? Given its outcome, this one is proving to be not just an “ordinary” loss afterall.

Guess its OK now to talk of Jamie Dixon in less than glowing terms.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.22.13 @ 7:15 am

JR has it exactly right.

Comment by velvil 03.22.13 @ 7:29 am

Woodall was a starter but more of a role player at St. Anthony’s, he did as much as he could for Pitt. Pitt’s best player was essentially a role player…hence the beatdown.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.13 @ 7:30 am

OK, I have had a good night’s sleep, I’ve put my rose color glasses on and I’m ready to make the case for Dixon.

Woodall 1-12, Patterson 1-7, Zanna 1-4, Johnson 1-5, Robinson 2-7. 15 TURNOVERS.

You can make the case, that Dixon did not have them ready, the offensive system stinks, he needs to recruit better players, all with some truth.

But the players are ultimately responsible. Their threes were not just missing yesterday, they couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. They could not make a lay-up. They threw the ball to no one.

Woodall their leader took responsibility like a man, as did Dixon. Woodall was a very good player for Pitt, but yesterday when things did not go well early, he panicked, when he did so did everyone else. Dixon should have called more time outs to calm them down.

These are the same players that did not make the dance last year plus Adams and Robinson. They made the team better, but as we all know not consistent not great.

Too me, Pitt’s weakness has been three years with mediocre recruiting, Gibbs was a one trick pony, Nasir was too short, Taylor was less than average, Woodall was inconsistent, Patterson, Moore, and Zanna have all disappointed. The current group of sophomores, Johnson and Wright may develop.

This year’s freshmen are outstanding and will hopefully turn things around, they have bonafide star potential.

So blame Jamie for the recruiting misses, but has he made them better or worse. Last night we heard the case for worse. I can make the case that they have won a lot of games because of Jamie.

Have they underperformed in the NCAA’s, of course they have.

Jamie allegedly has an offer of 2.5 million from USC. It is reported he makes 1.5. This tells me that the University is not budgeting enough for assistants. Where this has shown up is in recruiting and in player development.

Jamie has made Pitt what it is. Other than a couple years with Smith, Lane, Aiken and Gore, Pitt was a non factor in the Big East, until Jamie got here.

He deserves at least one more year with his prize center and point guard. To throw that opportunity away would be a travesty. For him and the University.

Anyone that thinks that Pitt will open the purse strings and pay the 2.5 mill plus the increase for assistants unnecessary to bring in a name coach hasn’t been paying attention or is just delusional.

When Jamie had Blair, he was close to winning it all. Let’s see what he does with Adams.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 7:33 am

I have 5 sons. Over the years I’ve gloated in their triumphs and lent a sympathetic shoulder in their defeats. During basketball season I have 3 times that many sons. While some may call it being blind I prefer to call it loyalty.

Comment by classof 69 03.22.13 @ 7:33 am

@class of 69
Regarding your question of whether I would forego giving to Childrens Hospital if they were not competitive.
First, any comparison between a D1 athletic department and a hospital for children is candied apples to oranges at best.
That said:
Yes, I would.
Resources are scarce and if they are bring wasted, then the
waste must stop. As a matter of fact, Childrens is owned by
UPMC and the charitable status is being challenged.
We can argue whether the challenge is legit or not
but to suggest that finincial contributions should ignore leadership issues doesn’t persuade me.
You might recall about a decade ago when several foundations unexpectedly witheld contributions they had historically given to the Pittsburgh Public Schools. The startled school board asked why. They were told in no uncertain terms that the foundations were nit going to support fiscal irresponsibility over top of a sense of entitlement.
Guess what? The school system was forced to face it’s fiscal irresponsibility; at the 11th hour mind you and begin the painful but necessary problem of recovery.
And therein lies the problem that TXpanther and I write about. The longer you let it continue, the more daunting your task of recovering.

Comment by SFPitt 03.22.13 @ 7:54 am

GC, I would not call them disappointments, keep in mind that they are 3 star recruits. Pitt has only had during the JD/ Ben Howland era, 3 5 star recruits Blair, Adams, and Taylor. Woodall was a 3 star, fields a 3, Mcghee a 2, Wannamaker a 4, and so on. Pitt is just not getting the upper echelon of players that UNC, Kentucky, Duke get.
I would say that Jamie Dixon’s success is very similar to Bo Ryan. Neither one gets any top tier HS talent, so there is a limit as to how good or deep either program can go.

Comment by Native Washingtonian 03.22.13 @ 7:58 am

Exactly Pittastic.

I wonder if Brandin or LeVance would have volunteered to come off the bench in his senior year of HS like Woodall. Some can soon that as a postive, but to me it tells you everything you needed to know about his desire to LEAD.

Great kid, did a lot while at Pitt, but he simply was a role player that never had the onions. That’s ok, by the way. It’s just for this team, it was built for him to be the man. And he couldn’t.

Frankly, we haven’t had that guy since LeVance, Blair and Young.

Comment by Pauly P 03.22.13 @ 8:01 am

Kentucky had 5 lottery picks and are in the same boat. It’s not that easy.

Comment by Pauly P 03.22.13 @ 8:04 am

With Jamie reportedly seriously considering a move to Southern Cal, the time has come for a reality check.

The disappointing loss to Wichita confirms once and for all the “urban legend” that was the notion of Jamie Dixon being among the best if not the best at getting the most out of average players.

In the last two years Pitt players have never been so average and look how things have gone.

It’s time to simply accept Jamie for what he is and isn’t… a great guy and at times a pretty good coach who with the right assistants and players has made Pitt Basketball fun to watch and root for… well, most of the time.

However, should Jamie say goodbye, it’s time for the Pitt faithful to let go… not just of a coach but of the ridiculous notion that Pitt is not a “great” job deserving of somethhing better than just a good coach.

It’s time to demand that Pitt Administrators hire a coach capable of making Pitt basketball as BIG as the Arena they built to house it.

Anything less will confirm the University’s commitment to Big-time basketball to also be an urban legend.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.22.13 @ 8:05 am

@SF Pitt
Apparently I did not make my point clear.
If you donate to the athletic department you donate of your own free will. It is charity!!
If you choose not to, fine. It is not necessary to pontificate.

Comment by classof 69 03.22.13 @ 8:08 am

PittofDreams – agree!

Yes Jamie is a great guy but does that mean that no other coach is a “great guy”. It may be time for pitt to turn the page and move on.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 8:09 am

For 10 years we have given JD the benefit of the doubt. Pitt fans and alumni have been pretty forgiving of our March failures but at what point does time run out??

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 8:10 am

Being a McDonald’s AA is no guarantee of success at either the college or NBA level. A perusal of the rosters indicates that for every Tyler Hansbrough, there are a dozen Jon Brockmans or Bobby Frasor. All it indicates is success at the HS level. Like the SATs, it is a poor predictor of success in college or life.

This team struggled all year. There was some improvement from last year but some games when you just scratched your head and wondered. Over all? An improvement. Yesterday? No one was ready to play and, from what I can tell, no one was ready to coach either.

Is JD the greatest coach ever? No. Has he done great things with the program at Pitt? Yes. Can Pitt rise to the pinnacle with him? Maybe. Lesser coaches have done it.

Greatness is not measured by extraordinary people achieving greatness. We expect it of them. Greatness is ordinary people doing extraordinary things – in daily life as well as in sport.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 8:15 am

When I write epitaph for this season in my mind it will be:

1) Zeigler never bringing that mike cook like offense that we needed
2) Woodall and Taylor were simply role players
3) Dixon using the 23 zone more
4) Robinson and Adams showing promise
5) Weak non con prep causing a weak start to BE
6) finishing well in reg season
7) double bye loss in final bet
8) Returning to tourney and feeling like shit

Comment by Pauly P 03.22.13 @ 8:16 am

Native, I get your point, but they were juniors this year and none have stepped up significantly. They all show flashes and each have a great game every so often, but then disappear completely.

That is what I mean by disappointing, we have seen athletes get better as they mature. At the end of last year it looked like all three would.

I am one of the few, but my hope is that with three seniors next year, Johnson and Wright as Juniors and our stars as sophomores, we will have a lot of experience and some talent.

The question is, who will be the leader(s)?

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 8:23 am

@69
I beg to differ.
When you suggest that those who hold a different point of view from yours is akin to supporting a convicted felon like Sandusky, pontification is mandatory.

Comment by SFPitt 03.22.13 @ 8:23 am

@Pitt Dad You are right about the McDonald’s AA is no guarantee but the more of those you get the greater margin for error you can afford. If the one’s PITT get don’t pan out we get results like last year and disappoints like yesterday.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.13 @ 8:25 am

@ Pitt Dad
“Greatness is ordinary people doing extraordinary things – in daily life as well as in sport.”
I wish I had said that!!

Comment by classof 69 03.22.13 @ 8:26 am

Well, the sun sort-of came up this morning, if you can consider our grey skies daytime. This team over achieved all season and other than this debacle, they were pretty much “in all their games’ this year. Yesterday they stunk out the joint. But being realistic, Jamie Dixon only had the horses to do something, for a couple of years. They lost on two last second plays againist Villanova, and to Butler. Other than that, Jamie Dixon’s Pitt teams have done remarkably well, with the talent they’ve had. After watching Arizona and UCLA play, it was abundently clear to me how much better talent was on both those teams, than the talent on Pitt’s roster. I don’t think we will ever get anyone any better than Jamie Dixon. If we lose him, I know people will say go after Shawn Miller. News Flash, there is no way Miller would ever leave Arizona for Pitt. Arizona, like or leave it, is just a better higher profile job.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.13 @ 8:34 am

What makes me laugh is how many people think a new coach automatically gets us to the promised land.

How many new coaches succeed vs. fail? Notre Dame football comes to mind. Georgetown after Thompson, St. John’s after Carnesseca, UCLA, DePaul, Providence, North Carolina. Great coaches are few and far between, established ones are too expensive, and up and comers are a crapshoot.

Most successful programs have stability and coaches that stay a long time. Duke, Syracuse, UConn or have tradition and $$$, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Texas, UCLA, Arizona. And their tradition was based on a great coach that stayed a long time.

We know we don’t have big money, the only tradition we have has been built by Jamie.

In the near term, I think he has the best chance to get it done. In the long term we’ll all be dead.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 8:51 am

Those coaches stayed a long time becuase they won!!! When you don’t win you end up leaving for one reason or another. So to simply suggest that being somewhere for a long time = success is wrong. I hate the Pitt attitude that is afraid to make a change. Stability is nice but winning is better. I’m tired of winning in December and getting stomped in March.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 9:04 am

If Shabazz Muhammad was able to play the entire year, then UCLA would have had a different season. Kevin Love made a huge difference for UCLA when they went to final four. So at least one NBA caliber player is needed to get to a final four or win a NC.

It’s about having that truly dominant player that teams can’t matchup against. Pitt really had that type of player once and that was Blair.

Comment by Native Washingtonian 03.22.13 @ 9:10 am

Despite everything, Pitt finished higher than they were expected to at the beginning of the season. Again, Dixon exceeds everyone else’s expectations but Pitt fans, and on the flip side fulfills even the cynics expectations of under-performing in the post-season.

You take the good with the bad, but its mostly good. This loss hurts and it puts even more pressure on next year.

Next year should be cause for optimism, cold comfort for now.

The reason for this loss begins and ends with Woodall, Patterson and Zanna shooting 3- 23, combined with Woodall and JJ not getting to the line once. Period, end of story. There’s nothing else to even consider. Why those guys had those nerves, and why those guys weren’t getting to the line could maybe be discussed.

I’m looking forward to next year. I think we’ll be better. The ceiling will be set by Adams and Robinson. And so long as we realize Patterson is a role player and leader, rather than an offensive centerpiece, we’ll do well. until the post-season at which points all bets are off.

Comment by PantherP 03.22.13 @ 9:13 am

Coach we are all tired of it. If Jamie leaves we might not win in December let alone March.

The Steelers stuck with Cowher a long time with plenty of playoff disappointments. It finally paid off.

I’m not saying it will with Jamie, but if he wants to stay he deserves one more year, at least.

By the way, how’s the change from Wanny working out so far?

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 9:14 am

Coach Ditka, I understand your frustration. We’re all bummed out. But………THIS IS FAR AND AWAY the most successful period of Pitt basketball EVER! And despite the dissappointments of the last two years, Jamie Dixon has done an excellent job. Be careful of what you wish for, because we could easily be back where the program was, before Ben Howland and Jamie Dixon came to Pitt.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.13 @ 9:18 am

is this arecord for posts on a topic

Comment by paul shannon 03.22.13 @ 9:18 am

@Pittastic – agreed but I think we can do just as well, and perhaps disappoint less, if we can find those jewels in the rough who can be polished and turned into great stars. I prefer, in general, teams that have the opportunity to work together and gel into a unit to the “one and done” rent-a-championship ones.

@class of 69 – feel free to use it (or a variant) without attribution. It’s not an original thought just one I have taken to heart for a long time. The others are:

“There is no limit to what you can accomplish as long as it doesn’t matter who gets credit”

and

“Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first.”

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 9:18 am

@ Pitt Dad _ Agreed. I just want Pitt to be successful.

Comment by Pittastic 03.22.13 @ 9:20 am

As I’ve already said, we’ve been very forgiving of jamie’s march failures for 10 years. What year do we stop saying one more year? 12 years? 15 years? 20 years? Embrace change! I truly believe that Pitt is a pretty attractive basketball job. great facilities, top notch conference (ACC), good fan base, strong academic university, and don’t let Pitt pull the we’re poor card. Pitt has money, $2.6 billion endowment. By the way compare that to Uconns $329 million and Syracuse’s $1 billion endowments. We have money!!! Don’t kid yourselves.

Actually I am quite pleased with wannstedt being gone. Yes it took the todd graham disaster to find a good coach but I believe PC will turn out to be a great hire for this team.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 9:25 am

Last look at game after reading reports. Woodall covered by best defensive player on WST, shut him down. Rest of team in a shell and no support or change in game plan. WST coach knew how to stop Woodall but Dixon did not change a thing.

As stated earlier, teams in NCAA and tourneys step up their defense as it is one and done. This equals Pitt’s defense. Pitt needs to have at least 3 or 4 scorers to compete even if they only come off the bench. Their job is to run and score.

Comment by Frank MD 03.22.13 @ 9:33 am

ASK your self this why do mid majors bet us
we were in the big east we should be able to recruit
better players then them right.
so if we lose is it that are big east recruits
suck or is it the coach.
it has to be one or the outher they have better players or better coaching.
take your pick.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 9:33 am

I know the final four is the ultimate goal and just beating lower seeds would be nice. I know I am in the minority, but, it means more to me to knock off a #1 UConn or to beat Georgetown by a bunch on their court, than to beat Wichita.

I can’t wait to beat Duke or North Carolina during the regular season.

While making the Final Four is the ultimate, it means that for a two weak tournament you are one of the best four in the country. We really only had the players to get there one time. Many teams have the players to get there almost every year. But still only four can make it.

It is really no wonder why we choked so badly this year. Imagine the pressure on Woodall knowing how badly he would want to get his coach off the snide. One and Done tournaments are tough. You have to have great players, great coaching and a lot of luck. Just ask New Mexico.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 9:35 am

Maybe Pitt doesn’t have the talent of Arizona or UCLA, but they certainly have as much talent as Wichita St., or Harvard, or Colorado St., or Cal or Butler, or even Marquette. They had enough talent to go 12-6 and finish 4th in the Big East. Do they have enough talent to win a National Championship? Hell no, but they have enough to not lose to Wichita by 18.

Talent was not the source of yesterday’s loss. Pitt played badly. Probably their worst game of the year save for the last 30 min of the ND loss. You could put that on the players to a point but this is a pattern with this coach in the tourney. Jamie did not have this team mentally ready for this game. They were tense and out of sync and no adjustments, neither psychologically nor tactically were made.

I’m not ready to fire Dixon or let him walk until I see that there is a succession plan in place. But should he stay, a thorough evaluation of the program and ‘plan of correction’ must be required of him. You could make the argument that the program is in regression, and with the string of tourney flameouts continuing, Dixon has not earned the right to run this program carte blanche. Changes and adjustments need to be made, especially heading to a new conference.

BTW, where is “Slice” Rohrssen these days? He may not have succeeded as a HC, but he was a helluva recruiter.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.13 @ 9:38 am

Coach, I too hope PC is the one but we have had two more years of crap football, and there are no guarantees.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 9:41 am

Why is that every pitt team looks so nervous and tense as soon as we get to the BE tourney and the NCAA??? They all have that blank stare on their face and you never see any of them smiling. They look like they’re waiting for the governor to call and pardon them. That comes from the coach.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 9:43 am

After this embarrassing debacle to do nothing is dishonest and fraudulent. Dixon is a good and honorable man but as a coach is limited by his skills and his budget. This team is severely challenged in all offensive areas. Inherent in the game is the attitude that comes with scoring a basket, individually and collectively. If Dixon leaves he creates a void like a Tampa sinkhole, if he stays the program needs real support, more money. Assistants, recruits, higher salaries even Dixon. Without these changes Dixon can’t break through, kids will bolt, we’re headed to mediocrity.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.13 @ 9:45 am

I would argue that there was quite a few years of “crap football” under DW as well. During his tenure our best bowl bid was the Sun Bowl and we all know how that went. Really what did DW do? He got us to some low level bowl games, never won the BE and never got us to a BCS or other top level bowl game. Is that what we were afraid to replace????

JD has gotten us to the tourney and thats about it. There are plenty of other coaches that can, at minimum, do that.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 9:47 am

@IronDuke ..I agree..I think this team was playing with the weight of all Pitt’s and Dixon’s failures in tourney for past ten years. The way they all broke down after the game showed that.

Until Pitt does well in the tourney this is going to be the case every March….honestly not sure what anyone can do about…maybe Dixon has to become such a jerk all the players will start to hate him.

If Dixon left we won’t have that problem anymore because we won’t be in the tourney anymore.

I’ll take the problem.

Comment by milobloom 03.22.13 @ 9:49 am

Iron Duke, you make a strong argument. Jamie definitely deserves his share of the blame.

If he goes to USC it is a mute point, but I definitely want him back next year.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 9:50 am

Send me a memo when it’s time to start discussing Pitt football again and how Spring drills are panning out.

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.22.13 @ 9:54 am

Ditka — we stop cutting dixon slack as soon as you can identify even one viable replacement for him.

Comment by PantherP 03.22.13 @ 9:58 am

Budget is the problem?? really budget??? What is the budget at Butler? VCU? Memphis? Villanova? Marquette? and on and on. Time to stop blaming everyone but the coach. I love JD and have fully supported him over the last 10 years. I’ve supported him as much or more than anyone on this blog but yesterday was really the final blow for me. one year is a fluke, two years is coincidence, three years (in this case 10 years) is a trend!

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 9:59 am

let me say this it is not that we lost that piss
me off.
it is who we lost to if we lost to kansas or to
duke or memphis some one who you know that can recruit as good as players as you or better players
i could live with that but we keep loseing to mid majors.

why is it coaching some thing is wrong.
and this time you cant exen say it came down to the last shot we were never in the game it is how we lost as much as who to.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 9:59 am

PantherP, you’re right. lets just accept this horse shit every year. Give Jamie a 30 year contract and lets be done with it.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 10:00 am

Listen, i’m as disapppointed as anyone. But seriously, what are our options?

Comment by PantherP 03.22.13 @ 10:02 am

Dixon is the best thing that has happened to Pitt in the sports world since Dan Marino. Anyone who wants him gone is crazy. Do you think Calipari is walking through that door? Probably not even Sean Miller.

Comment by Chris 03.22.13 @ 10:03 am

Also, you’re basically saying the only thing that matters is the post season. that the regular season means nothing to the players or anyone else. I don’t think that is the case.

with Dixon, so far, you have a guy who is one of the best 5 regular season coaches in the country, and one of the worst post-season coaches.

If you can identify a coach that is elite in both regular and post-season that is willing to come to Pitt, I am all ears.

Comment by PantherP 03.22.13 @ 10:04 am

Nothing is going to make Dixon a better recruiter than what he has already shown himself to be.

Some new assistants might help. But whether its his style of play or whatever… even a change in assistants is not going to miraculously improve Jamie’s ability to lure Big-time talent.

That being the case, at this point the writing is on the wall as to what Pitt basketball can be with Jamie at the helm.

If you want more… it’s time to move on. Period. End of story.

Comment by PittofDreams 03.22.13 @ 10:05 am

Pitt basketball is not the same as Pitt football where getting a top level coach is a true challenge. Pitt bball has a good reputation, world class facilities, terrific student and fan base, national exposure, top conference (ACC), great academics, and the money if they choose to part with it. Certainly some capable coach would love an opportunity to coach the Panthers. It’s not my job to identify coaches but my gut tells me that quite a few would jump at the opportunity to come here.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 10:08 am

The thing with Dixon and his teams is the players. We do not get many players whom the likes of Duke, UCLA, North Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Kansas, Texas, Michigan State, Louisville, Ucon, Arizona, Syracuse,Kentucky, Florida and others.

The teams above have won championships and been to multiple final fours. I know it is beating a dead horse but how many years did it take Bohemian Rhapsody to get to one and actually win a championship? 27 Years!

I aint bailing on Jamie yet because you can only do so much with the players he gets. Until we get dependable go-to scorers it will be a struggle because being a good defensive team alone without go-to scorers is a hard road to a final four let alone championship.

One final point, Pitt is not a destination like the above mentioned schools but JD is starting to get better recurits…

Comment by Kenny 03.22.13 @ 10:11 am

Dixon’s getting decent recruits. Adams, lightening in a bottle though he may be, certainly could — COULD – be one of the best players in the country next year. We’ll see. Robinson is obviously very good and will get better.

But really i think we may need to wait and see how Dixon fairs with this team in the ACC. And not only that, but all this conference re-alignment changes the recruiting landscape a good bit too. Its not what anyone wants to hear, because it offers no quick solutions, but i think the smartest move — and the one the administration has already decided — is to give Dixon a little longer rope here and see what happens.

I still think you give the guy who started the Pitt b-ball renaissance some slack.

Comment by PantherP 03.22.13 @ 10:19 am

Paul Chryst = Good Coach? I’m sorry what has Chryst done positive in his first season to make anyone feel good? Landed a couple local kids? Big deal, the kids wanted to stay local and PSU is in shambles. The guy personally lost 2 games before halftime. He is a OC and that’s it. No energy, no fire, no in game coaching, no passion…..Kinda just like Jamie Dixon. Want to blame anyone blame Stever Pederson who loves these kind of loyal head down coaches that don’t push him or back at him. Who hired that loser Pederson 2 x’s??????Nordenberg…. So he is responsible. He can care less about athletics. Look at the guy, do you think he knows anything at all about sports!

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 10:20 am

I think what it comes down to is that a lot of you are spoiled by the regular season success. A lot of you say that you want a new coach that has a higher ceiling and that you don’t care if miss the tournament a year or two. But guess what? Dixon gives that to Pitt with making the tournament every year. The trend is that basically every 3 or 4 years Pitt will have an awesome team with a legit shot at the title on the two prior occasions those 1 seeds lost before the Final Four to really good teams in really close games. That’s the whole nature of one and done, lot’s of times the best team doesn’t win. It’s why the tournament is so crazy. Stop being all woe is me about NCAA tournament losses, Pitt was lucky to even sniff the tournament before this recent success. Get some real perspective on where the basketball program really is at.

About yesterday, many of you on here have been saying that the team wasn’t good all year, and then you come on after yesterday’s game and act like the loss was the worst thing ever. If the team wasn’t that great all year, then you can’t flip out about an 8 seed losing to a 9 seed. The team was a classic Dixon team it way overachieved in the regular season and then didn’t have the firepower come tournament time. It happens.

Also, a lot of you guys say Pitt needs to get the top talent. If you think getting top talent is as simple as Dixon recruiting better it isn’t. Getting top talent means go out and play the shady game. Pitt doesn’t play that game. They never will. When you don’t play that game it’s all about getting lucky and hoping a player really develops for you like a Sam Young or Fields or Wannamaker.

Finally, if you are going to rant on and on about Dixon not getting the team ready for games, I better not have to read about how you love PC, a dude who didn’t have his team ready for half the entire season. PC’s first year in terms of a basketball record would have been like 10-20. Will PC be a good head coach? I really hope so. But he’s proven nothing. On the other hand, the equivalent to Dixon in Football would be winning 10 games consistently every year, consistently being ranked and always going to a bowl with two years during which Pitt went to a BCS game but would have been in contention for the national title if they hadn’t blown a head scratching game to Wake Forrest on the road.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 10:24 am

Dixon isn’t to blame for the recruits he recruits? Gosh with that thinking you guys don’t hold anyone accountable. He recruits and picks who he thinks is best. The lack of talent on his team is 100% on him!

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 10:24 am

To reflect a bit on Upitt’s post: That’s what I think to myself a lot: both Dixon and Chryst as competent technicians but incapable of passion, creativity, and inspiration.

Let’s face it, it’s simply painful to hear Chryst speak; can you envision him turning around a locker room after a bad half?

Similarly, do you think JD realizes the sphincter-puckering attitude that Pitt seems to exhibit at tourney time and is capable of taking steps to relieve it? Convincing the guys to relax, instilling the team with a sense of desperate urgency?

Comment by BATR 03.22.13 @ 10:28 am

Frankcan, I get your point generally about mid-majors. But mid-majors are really good nowadays. Mid-majors always beat major schools. The talent level isn’t nearly as different. A team like Southern, who Gonzaga played, would have probably been at 13 or 14 seed 10 years ago. The talent difference keeps on shrinking. Losses are losses to me. They all suck.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 10:30 am

Wardapalooza: Get a grip. All you do is pile on excuses for losing. I don’t remember anyone here writing that PC had his team ready for every game. Quite the opposite.

I see Dixon’s good and bad points. Face it, he’s very good at times but his program has some glaring shortcomings which tend to repeat.

Comment by TonyinHouston 03.22.13 @ 10:31 am

coach ditka is right in BB pitt is not the little
sister of the poor.

we have won in the big east for 10 years as you point out.

we are on are way to the ACC which is were the best
BB will now be played
we have the pete which is first rate.

there is no reason that a first rate coach would not come here,

it is not like 12 years ago when we were being
rebuilt we are all most on the top now just need some one to take us to next level.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 10:32 am

None of the Dixon defenders have yet to answer my question:

We’ve been very forgiving of jamie’s march failures for 10 years. What year do we stop saying one more year? 12 years? 15 years? 20 years? How many??

one year is a fluke, two years is coincidence, three years (in this case 10 years) is a trend!

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 10:34 am

Dixon surely exceeds Nordy and Pettie’s goals for the program. He wins enough to block any pressure on them to make a change; Pitt basketball is the only game in town; Even though Dixon is pissed off about the empty seats during his prologned exhibition games called the non-conference, the tickets are always pre-sold. A cut above mediocrity is all the administration wants. Dixon is usually way above that. For better or worse, he’s Pitt’s for as long as he wants to be.

Some have written Wannstedt was fired for losing. Quite the opposite: He was fired for running what the Bots thought was a criminal-friendly program.

Comment by TonyinHouston 03.22.13 @ 10:36 am

TonyinHouston, where was one excuse in my post?

Also say you fire Dixon, why the heck would any coach want to come here? It would be Pitt saying that Pitt is UCLA without all of the inherent benefits that UCLA brings with it.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 10:37 am

Ditka — I answered your question. Again, as soon as we can identify a viable candidate to replace dixon.

Until then — dont get me wrong. He dserves all of this criticism about his post-season shortcomings. Not defending that.

Comment by PantherP 03.22.13 @ 10:43 am

I am as vocal as any Dixon supporter on here. That being said, he has to accept some responsibility for yesterday’s loss. I believe he did as he has for all the other losses.

Now the question for JD is can he look at the last 10 years, the last two, this year, the last game and recognize that the CBB game has changed and he has to either adapt or fail to progress? I don’t think it’s fair to jettison him after what was a decent but, in the end, unsatisfying comeback year. Neither do I think we give him a lifetime contract to run the program however he pleases regardless of the level of success. If he is as good a man and coach as I think he is, he will change and succeed – both in the ACC and the NCAA tournament. If not, I also believe he is enough of a realist to know that it is time to move on. Whether Pitt can find someone with his character who can also coach the team to greater achievement is, of course, the great unknown.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 10:43 am

Changes have to be made. I’m not saying fire Dixon but I won’t shed a tear if he leaves for Cali. There needs to be a real shake-up and Pitt needs to find an assistant that can really recruit and Jamie needs to make some major system adjustments. If he says no, he gets the heave HO.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 10:49 am

Coach Ditka, this implication that Dixon is a 10 year failure is crazy. First, the fact the made the NCAA for 9 of 10 ten years is commendable, not to mention 3 Sweet 16s and 1 Elite 8. (and didn’t even list all the BE wins)

His predecessor never got past the Sweet 16, and Paul Evans with more talent than anyone, never got past the 1st weekend at Pitt.

Yes, Dixon hasn’t met everyone’s recent expectations … but a failure? …. hardly!!

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 10:50 am

Coach Ditka, the problem I have with your question is that it assumes that if you replace Dixon that you will get a better coach. We are talking about Pitt, good transitions in coaching never happen. If I would have told you in 1998 that 15 years from now Pitt that was going to fire a coach that took the team to the NCAA tournament for 9 out of 10 years, made 2 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8, and had 2 1 seeds, you probably would have sent me to Western Psych. I don’t like the NCAA tournament losses and I realize Dixon gets outcoached in them at times, but he still gets them to the dance.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 10:53 am

Walt Harris was a good hire. Ben Howland was a good hire, Jamie Dixon was a good hire.

Comment by Coach Ditka 03.22.13 @ 10:58 am

2 years ago Pitt was one of the best teams in the country and lost to a Final Four team on one of the worst fouls ever, last year Pitt was down cause of injuries and Birch transferring so that he could play less minutes this year, and then this year Pitt bounces back to 24 win season while giving lots of minutes to three freshman. Dixon has his faults and he needs to keep on adjusting but he doesn’t need a major shake-up.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 10:59 am

You guys are idiots – plain and simple.
Coach Dixon needs to stay. This is NOT a pathetic program, its a NATIONALLY RENOWNED PROGRAM. PSU is a pathetic program, and I don’t want Pitt to become like that!

Comment by giffer-in-Htown 03.22.13 @ 11:00 am

I don’t think I want Dixon gone — what I want is is for him to evolve as a coach and learn from past failures. His teams just don’t look mentally right in March, no matter what they’ve done leading up to it. We see some great basketball in the tournament from major and minor programs, and a lot of teams rise to their abilities. Dixon’s teams just can’t seem to get there. I don’t think it’s strategy or the talent level (at least not every year), but we just don’t get to see anything close to inspired post-season ball, and the university and its fans deserve it. I want more. I know Dixon can deliver it. He needs to get his head around it and figure out how to coax better performances and outcomes from his squad when the games matter most. Yesterday was one of the most embarassing performances I can remember in March. It was sad. I had my doubts going in, but I so wanted to be proven wrong.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.22.13 @ 11:16 am

I’m done arguing about Dixon though, we all have his opinions set on him it’s pretty pointless to even argue. We all love Pitt anyways.

Next years best 5 should be pretty legit though:
1. Robinson
2. Johnson
3. Patterson/Moore
4. Young
5. Adams

So is Savage for sure ahead of Voytik? I haven’t read much about the spring football.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 11:16 am

I agree 100% with Pitt Dad. I don’t mind the criticism. I think he should start to change and adapt and tweek just a little. The goofy thing is his set plays and passes work to a point.

Pitt had better looks yesterday but couldn’t score.

Comment by freebird 03.22.13 @ 11:21 am

Budget , damn right! ACC brings in higher revenue, allocate it intelligently within the program, hire assistants. Entire university benefits. Dixon’s departure might hurt worse than existing status. I just don’t know what Chancellor and AD are thinking. Alum have to push hard. This problem is fixable, money and leadership and the money is there.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.13 @ 11:23 am

Wardopalooza dixons a great man a wonderful person
he cares abought his kids they go to class
i dont really want him fired but starting 3 years
ago something has started to go wrong may be he needs new asst coachs
things are not right there needs to be some changes if he stays even the crowds are down at the pete the get up and go seams to have got up and left

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 11:31 am

Yesterday was a weak performance on many levels, but it was a very poor coaching performance. There were few adjustments made to address the pressure on the perimeter and they didn’t get the ball in the post at all until the game was decided. There was space but they just kept cycling on the perimeter in the face of heavy pressure, or forcing poor passes into traffic. They needed to penetrate and dish. They needed to get the ball to their big men (just to relieve the backcourt pressure, but Adams gave a nice “DUH!” moment when he went to the hoop). They needed to move off the ball better. the adjustments were not there. There was a point early in the 2nd half where it was obvious they were going to lose because they were trying and failing to repeat the 1st half mistakes.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.22.13 @ 11:34 am

Pitt as an overall sports program is Pathetic for its size and conference affiliation.

Our football is mediocre. Our basketball continuously under achieves come tourney time and the national audience knows about it so much that we are a laughing stock and the wise money is bet against us.

A nationally renowned program for choking or shitting the bed. Take your pick.

We play in a football stadium that isn’t even ours. Our Olympic sports facilities are average at best or don’t even exist (track).

Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 11:44 am

TX Panther – I concur…. I drove past TCU the other day. Take your pick in Texas…. BU, UT, Tex AM all the facilities they have make us look like a D3 school. Thank Smiley Steve for that garbage.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 12:06 pm

But it’s actually quire difficult to shit while being choked, so we got that going for us.

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.22.13 @ 12:11 pm

Walt Harris was not good enough, we needed someone to get us to the next level…We still haven’t got to that level.

Football has had Tony D, Hugh Greene, Ricky Jackson, Danny Marino, Larry Fitz, Darrelle Revis, LeSean McCoy. A track record of Hall of Fame and All-pros.

Basketball has had Charles Smith. Dixon’s best does not include one NBA starter. Tell me what new guy can come here and change that.

By the way, Adams may change that. Dixon brought him here. Dixon did pretty well when he had DeJuan, Sam and Levance. And by the way, that was the team. They had no depth. Jamie has been building a program, it’s not a straight line up.

Those of you that cavalierly say that any new coach could recruit better than Jamie and get us to the tournament just might be mistaken. We are only one out of seven teams that have been there 11 out of 12 years. Gee let’s fire the guy that was here for those 12 years, because we might find someone better. Someone to take us to the promised land. He only got us to 3 sweet sixteens an one elite 8 without a future pro starter. Damn he sucks.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 12:17 pm

gc, the debate is really whether or not you feel that Jamie has reached his ceiling as a coach. The same argument was made for years in Philly with Andy Reid. Sometimes a change can be good for a coach and a program/team. Look at Tony Dungy. He gets fired from Tampa bay and they win the SB, Dungy years later wins a SB with the Colts.

Comment by Native Washingtonian 03.22.13 @ 12:27 pm

What good is getting there and then choking? If Pitt wants an experienced coach and a far better recruiter, they had better shell out $3M+. But, Pitt is cheap. They are not serious about winning. And, Jamie isn’t worth $3M. You become an elite program by spending the money on facilities and coaches. And then getting the results. At least we have the Pete.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 12:28 pm

I hope this is a learning experience for Jamie… He is a smart man and will understand that his approach needs to change. How to change it? Not for me to even speculate about. I wish him well. And I really feel for Tray, poor kid.

Comment by Benzene 03.22.13 @ 12:49 pm

Guys, Take a few days and let the smoke clear.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.13 @ 12:54 pm

I’ll be watching the color of the smoke. Black means Jamie stays. White means he’s leaving.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 1:02 pm

Hate to be the bearer of bad, but you guys realize there is ZERO chance Dixon gets fired this season, right?

He is under contract thru the ’17-’18 season for atleast $1.6M per year. The current AD and administration extended his contract last year. There is no chance, zero, zilch, zip, nada, that they admit they were wrong, fork over $8million bucks (or whatever the buyout is) and the money it would take to attract a new top coach.

Nor should they, at some point money becomes an issue and a decision to fire Dixon would be finanially irresponsible.

Also, I am sure that Nordy and Pederson have no desire to conduct another coaching search after the dissaster that has been the football coaching search(es).

So like it or not, we’re stuck with Jamie for atleast another season unless HE DECIDES to leave.

Sometimes it takes a dissaster like yesterday for someone to realize that things need to change. Hopefully Jamie has that kind of epiphany.

So the only chance that Dixon leaves is if Pat Hayden rolls up a Brinks truck and unloads a ton of cash, both to Dixon AND TO PITT. Unlikely, especially if Hayden reads the comments on PittBlather.

Comment by boubacar aw 03.22.13 @ 1:26 pm

Native, Good points, maybe Jamie, has risen to the Peter Principle, maybe not. If we didn’t have Adams and Robinson coming back, my position would change.

No one is irreplaceable and change can be good. If Jamie leaves for USC, I won’t shed a tear. I just don’t think he should be fired for performance.

As difficult as yesterday’s loss was, it was pretty predictable. I don’t think anyone was surprised, other than the players and coaches.

Even if we didn’t choke yesterday, we weren’t going anywhere. Although on any given day we can compete, there was little consistency.

The anger here is totally justified. We are a very select group that bleed blue and gold.

The thing is that satisfaction is a moving target, if we won just one more tournament game each year over the last ten years, would we be satisfied? We would have had our final four a couple more eights and sixteens. Would there be fewer asking for Jamie’s head if we won yesterday and lost tomorrow. Maybe, I’m not sure.

As Coach Ditka’s gut says coaches are chomping at the bit to come here and our amazingly loyal fan base. I kid the coach.

Anyway, thanks to Chas for the site and all that participate in the debate. It’s good to have a forum to commiserate and get it off our chests.

Hail to Effing Pitt

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 1:30 pm

Maybe you should change your handle to Aw Boubacar.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 1:33 pm

Boubacar, so all this freakin blather was for nothing?

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 1:34 pm

Jeesus, we’ve become the Seinfeld Show.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 1:36 pm

You could have ended this 300 postings ago, this is a dead horse record.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 1:40 pm

You can have either a Bo Ryan or John C. Dixon is more like Bo Ryan. Look at Wisconsin, about to lose to Ole Miss.

Comment by Native Washingtonian 03.22.13 @ 1:40 pm

well FWIW three 5-seeds lost as did a 3-seed .. and another 8-seed is getting blown out (so far)

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 1:48 pm

I like Dixon but maybe someone can come up with figures of what the top BB coaches are making. I think Marquette coach makes at least 2 Million. I know endorsements make up some salaries. I see USC is offering 2.5 million.

Comment by Frank MD 03.22.13 @ 1:58 pm

A friend just suggested that Tommy Amaker might be an intriguing choice if JD leaves. Would he want to coach against his old coach in the ACC? Maybe.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 2:01 pm

info for you usc has cooled on wanting to hire
dixon after the pitt loss to wichita may look some were else.
so for thoes that want him to stay you got it and for you that want him to go i would say usc thinks he did a bad coaching job in the game the same as you.
and said thanks but no thanks we can do better.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 2:06 pm

Amaker may not want to go chin to forehead with Coach K, but he may relish getting 2-3 cracks at UNC/year. I don’t see Dixon leaving, and I agree with many above that if it happens it will be at a time of his choosing and not the commenters on Pitt Blather

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 03.22.13 @ 2:12 pm

How about a post about spring ball for god’s sake? Enough of this already. There must be some update about how Tino is doing in camp?! Ohhhh did I say Tino?

Comment by Pitt it IS 03.22.13 @ 2:18 pm

I don’t see Dixon being fired but, as I said previously, he needs to make some changes if he stays. He may not be interested in and/or capable of changing his style of coaching so a change of venue may appeal to him.

@FRANKCAN – that could just be a negotiating tactic (shorter contract and/or less money) on USC’s part. It would be a perverse strategy but it may be a tactic on their part.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 2:19 pm

Meanwhile, another 8/9 game (Ole Miss/NC State) is about to go the wrong way and continue the distruction of my bracket.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 2:21 pm

As these games are often officiated, Temple has made more FTs than NC State has attempted.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 2:22 pm

Now approaching 600 posts on the topic. Who gets my $20 bucks?

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 2:29 pm

Frankcan, Buzz Williams make $2.8m, Dixon makes $1.8m

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 2:32 pm

Pitt Dad you my be right but after what they saw in that game maybe they think he would be a hard sell to there fans.
you know i like dixon as a man and really dont want him fired.
but some thing is wrong with the team may be it is the lack of good asst coachs may be he was just
a ok coach before that had really good asst but some thing is not right even a bad team can play hard but so many times this year the team seams
confused and down i just dont get it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 2:36 pm

@FRANKCAN – I was looking on some USC boards (btw – they read ours) and they still think he may be the best they can get. But you are correct. They are split on the topic.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 2:41 pm

Ghost of, that’s about where I’m at. Change needs to happen whether Jamie stays or goes. If he truly accepts some responsibility for yesterday and the trend of post season underperformance (Coach D I agree 10 years is a trend!), and is willing to make changes, he should stay. If not, perhaps it’s time he moved on. The scary thing is that what comes next if he decides to leave is a crap shoot.

I often see the argument on here that Pitt overachieves during the regular season and achieves to their level of talent in the tournament. Though that may be the case in a given year, that’s is unlikely to be the case over more than a decade of seasons.

If I remember correctly from Prob and Stats class, the more times an event happens, the higher the confidence that the result is accurate. So over the course of a 32 game schedule is where a team’s true talent is more likely to be evident; not saying the regular season is of greater importance by any means, only that it is a bigger body of work and therefore less influenced by chance.

It seems much more likely that Pitt achieves to talent during the season and UNDER-achieves in the tourney. It would be interesting to compare Pitt’s tourney results over the last 12 years to teams with similar records and/or seeding. Maybe now that there’s no Pitt game this weekend I can take that on…

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.13 @ 2:43 pm

Bright side, Pitt isn’t even going to be close to the worst loss in the opening games. It’s hard to win in the tournament anymore. Talent between top seeds and the bottom is narrowing more and more.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 2:47 pm

Somebody get a message to the NCAA. These foul shooting contests at game end are not basketball.

On the 13 foul, the fouled team gets 3 foul shots.

Comment by Frank MD 03.22.13 @ 2:54 pm

Well at least Jamie isn’t over-paid. But, I’d like a job that pays me nearly $2M annually for early exits in the tourney.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 2:54 pm

I’d hire Ole Miss’s coach in a second… Or Shaka and or Archie Miller, Sean Miller or the guy from Oregon or heck even the Robert Morris coach actually has a pulse and passion.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 2:56 pm

Who wants in the new club… ABT went out of business…..but…..ABJ just opened up… Club’s motto….Don’t bother stopping by in March, Mgmt. will be on vacation….. Just like the last 10 seasons…

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 2:57 pm

@IRON DUKE – However, if you truly remember your probability you will recall that while the law of large numbers says that the more times you try something the closer you get to the expected value, the law of truly large numbers says that no matter how small the odds of something happen, it ultimately will happen. On that logic, we should keep Jamie, keep going to the dance and eventually, no matter how long it takes, we will prevail.

Then again, there are the cautionary words of Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr, “the more things change, the more they stay the same,”

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:00 pm

Pitt Dan i got my info off a news site not a usc site.
dont remmber which one but after that game i could see the powers that be changing there mind.
but i think even his strongest supporters on this site would say things are not right with the team.

and have not been for at least 2 years some have said he needs better asst coachs but what ever it is something is wrong and i dont think it is bad players.
my be the players used wrong may be the coaching
but something is wrong and needs changed.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.22.13 @ 3:00 pm

@FRANKCAN – I know. I saw the same news site. i was just letting you know what the USC equivalent of the Blather was saying.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:04 pm

Another bad beat coming up. LaSalle 44, KState 26 at the half.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:06 pm

My bracket cannot take this.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:07 pm

although Ammaker flamed out in Michigan, maybe he’s ready again for a major D1 job

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 3:12 pm

although he may be waitng for Coach K to retire

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 3:13 pm

Instead of us getting Jamie better assistants here is a bright idea. Hire the next up and coming stud assistant and pay him and cut Dixon. What’s the point of keeping him if the Assistant is adding the real value. I also think Kentucky’s Orlando Antigua would have some balls and be a good coach.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 3:14 pm

Upittbaseball, Antigua was not a great recruiter until he start working for Cal .. funny how that happens.

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 3:16 pm

Kehm Birch’s UNLV team lost to Cal. UNLV was 5 seed and Cal a 12 seed. Wisconsin was also 5 seed and lost to a 12 seed Misisssippi. Gonzaga was very lucky last night, to get by No. 16 seed Southern.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.13 @ 3:18 pm

The Dixon system doesn’t work in March part 2…..

link to scores.espn.go.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 3:18 pm

@Justinian – at some point a 16 will knock off a 1. I thought it might be this year. I just don’t want it to be us the next time we’re a 1 seed.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:33 pm

Through last year, the 1 seed is 116-0 against the 16 seed. We are not yet approaching the law of truly large numbers realm yet.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:34 pm

BTW – also through last year, the 8 seed is 54-58 against the 9 seed. We didn’t help this year. Neither did NC State.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 3:36 pm

Every system has wins and losses in the first round. Wichita St. is very similar to Pitt. So I could say that it’s evidence that the system works.

Now this makes Pitt fans look a little more sane:
link to newmexico.rivals.com

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 3:42 pm

Antigua as a HC? Pllease. Let’s see him be a HC somewhere first. Why would you ever hire an unproven assistant?

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 3:43 pm

LOL Ward…you’re arguing that since Pitt lost that it’s proof our system works?

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 3:48 pm

Are we at 600 yet?

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 3:49 pm

Ward – In the last 3 years Orlando has recruited better players than Pitt has in the previous 50 seasons. It’s a FACT. Plus he learned under the man who won a NCAA last year. I’m sorry if you want Jamie Dixon and is underachievement and no heart/passion style of basketball but I have had enough of it.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 4:10 pm

9 more after this one….come on Chas…start a fire Dixon thread….LOL

Glad I have speed scrolling…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 4:10 pm

Creighton barely held on to beat Cincy but, this just in….

4 seed KState LOST to 13 seed LaSalle. LaSalle, which got there by winning a play-in game.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 4:23 pm

The Big Least is getting smoked in the tourney. No where as good as many here thought it was. The ACC isn’t much better as far as teams in tourney. I’m sure sure the best basketball conference anymore but it isn’t the Big East of the ACC.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 4:24 pm

Let me add to the gene pool here.
Julius Page was on the Fan today.
His take was interesting. He believes that Dixon gave the point guards too much authority. His POV is that unless you have a supreme floor general like Knight, you should run different sets. JD’s offense was too PG oriented and Robinson was too raw and Tray not a good enough general.

Comment by SFPitt 03.22.13 @ 4:29 pm

Upittbaseball, you must have a different definition of “smoked.”

Syracuse set a record by beating Montana by 48 points. Louisville handled NC A&T with ridiculous ease. Marquette won their game.

UC lost a close game. As a 10 seed, that is technically what they were supposed to do.

The Big East, so far, is doing pretty much exactly what would be expected in terms of seeding. They are not “getting smoked.”

Comment by J 03.22.13 @ 4:46 pm

Marquette barely won. Give both L’Ville and Syracuse another game. I’m sure they will get it as well. So in round #1 the Big East won 3 and lost 2 with Nova going to lose to NC and G’Town should win. ND has to win before AZ smokes them.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 4:51 pm

In order for ND to get smoked by Arizona, they’d have to make it to the Sweet 16. A 7 seed in the Sweet 16 is over-achieving, so that still would not be an example of the Big East embarassing itself.

You can believe what you want. The tournament is far from over, so of course a lot can happen. But so far, the Big East is doing fine.

Comment by J 03.22.13 @ 4:56 pm

I disagree…Other than Georgetown all will be out of it by Great 8.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 5:05 pm

do I get a free beer for being the 600th post on this post-mortem rant? peace and prozac to all. On to spring football and the Savage watch.

Comment by Bossdaws 03.22.13 @ 5:17 pm

Bossdaws – You have to get to Texas for the free beer. LOL.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 5:33 pm

I can see Page’s comments. Woodall was psyched out of the game on the first possession. A bigger, stronger, better athlete was harassing him, never more than 2 feet away, taking away his right hand. A great guard takes him to the basket and shakes his ass fast. That’s why Woodall broke down, he was destroyed, exposed on national TV. Dixon is so limited offensively, Izzo or any other top coach would have adjusted immediately. Sit Woodall, go big with Adams and Taylor, Robinson and Wright with orders to feed them inside and Moore at the 3 to drive. The game was still winnable at 10 minute mark of first. Jamie really is a shit in-game coach.

Comment by Old School Panther 03.22.13 @ 5:38 pm

I’m sure that somewhere in these 500+ postings, this has already been said, but perhaps Pitt just wasn’t as good as we thought this year. The “coming together” win over Georgetown–while impressive on paper–maybe said more about the Hoyas, than it did about Pitt. Regardless, Georgetown improved, and Pitt really stayed flat.

Many point to the 3-point loss at Louisville, as being an indicator of our potential–but it occurred to me–maybe the Cardinals overlooked us. Maybe THEY played down to our level, and had an off-game. Maybe we shouldn’t read too much into that game.

We beat Syracuse during a mini-run, and it looked impressive. But it was a home win, and the Orange played without Southland. Clearly, their having a dominant player showed in the BET, and perhaps it will in the NCAA.

Two teams that really showed us reality this year, were Marquette and ND. We wrote those off as bad matchups, and kept our fingers crossed for a double-bye, watching the top teams take each other out. But even with the opportunity to pay back Marquette, we couldnt. Meanwhile, we feasted on DePau, St Johns, and USF to finish the season.

Yes, we had a double-bye in the BET, but the seeding came from a tie-breaker rule, not necessarily because we deserved it. Obviously, the byes didn’t help, and our 8-seed was probably correct. I’m sure that Kenpom, Sagarin, and the BPI folks will work furiously over the off-season to adjust their formulae for teams like Pitt. At least they should.

I supposed I don’t have a point, other than to offer some perspective. Sometimes, our assessment for a better team than what we really have, is blinded by our eternal hope for success. While I won’t say Jamie should be fired, I do believe he needs to make some tweaks…he needs to evolve. By the way, this loss doesn’t have to hurt recruiting-he can say to potential players, “hey, Pitt is one playmaker away from a deep tourney run-you could be that playmaker!”

Of course, that will only work if he lets the player maker play.

Comment by Lou 03.22.13 @ 5:55 pm

Lou, I’m not going to disagree with you that maybe we weren’t as good as we thought. But I do want to point out that we did not get the double bye courtesy of any tie-breakers. We finished all alone in 4th place in the conference (Notre Dame & Syracuse were tied for 5th, and tie-breakers were used for their seeding).

Still, finishing 4th isn’t that impressive when you consider we were 1-3 against the top 3 teams, and 1-1 against the two teams that finished immediately beneath us.

Comment by J 03.22.13 @ 5:59 pm

Correct you are, J. We were in fourth all alone. I supposed what I was trying to say was, we benefitted from a schedule that allowed us to play a team like DePaul, twice. From a play standpoint, both ND an Syracuse were better than Pitt this year, in my opinion.

Comment by Lou 03.22.13 @ 6:17 pm

this blog needs a change of topic:

link to blogs.post-gazette.com

Comment by wbb 03.22.13 @ 6:48 pm

Pitt Dad, I was watching a Princeton-Georgetown game at a neighbor’s St. Patrick’s Day party, when John Thompson Sr. was the Georgetown coach. This was a year or two before Princeton upset defendeng champion UCLA, in the tournament. Pete Carrill’s Princeton team controlled the tempo of the game vs No.1 seed Georgetown. In the closing seconds with Georgetown leading by 1 point, Alonzo Morning hacked a Princeton player going in for a lay-up. The ref didn’t make the call and we were all dumbfounded. I guess the ref was afraid to end the game with Princeton on the free throw line. Too bad that didn’t happen for Pitt in the Butler game two years ago.

Comment by Justinian 03.22.13 @ 6:48 pm

I actually thought our schedule was pretty fair. Of the 4 teams we played twice, one was awful (DePaul), two were good but not great (UC and Nova), and one was at the top of the conference (Marquette). In terms of Road vs Home games against the top teams, we were even: we had to go to Louisville and Georgetown, but got Syracuse and Notre Dame at home (plus, of course, Marquette home and away).

I agree that Notre Dame and Syracuse were better teams this year, although I would say that is barely true of Notre Dame. Let’s not forget that DePaul took Notre Dame to OT twice, and that their biggest win (over Louisville), while impressive, was more of a failure on Louisville’s part (chances to win at end of regulation AND first 4 OTs, but didn’t convert).

I think Pitt squandered a LOT of opportunities this year (notably the Michigan, Louisville and Notre Dame games). I think we were RIGHT THERE on the brink of greatness a lot, and never quite got over the hump. It’s too bad, because we do have a lot of good (if not great) talent on the team. I would have liked to see more. But I think this was a great step forward after the terrible season we had last year.

I’m not ready to kick Dixon to the curb just yet. I want to see how he does in a new conference first.

Comment by J 03.22.13 @ 6:55 pm

Red flags went up in October for me when IUP,IUP shot 51% against us in a scrimage. They got every shot they wanted.

Comment by alcofan 03.22.13 @ 6:57 pm

Here’s some hope for our football future. A QB I know of, is coming to Pitt this weekend because he actually wants to attend school at Pitt.

I have not seen him play! He is off everyone’s radar. He will be starting for his team as a Junior. His coach said he has the best arm he’s ever seen and this coach grew up best friends with Johnny U’s son. I will be watching him this
Fall and if he has the potential everyone tells me he has (also a 4.5 40) then I will keep all of you updated.

I have heard literrally hundreds of these kinds of stories of both basketball and football players and then have gone to see them only to find out someone was not accurate in their assessment.

I have a feeling this one is very talented.

Have to be very careful with the new recruitment rules.

There, no more basketball talk…and if I did notice..the sun actually did come up this morning.

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.13 @ 7:14 pm

Red flags went up for me when our coach scheduled a bunch of nobodies and did not prepare this team for adversity by playing in an unfamiliar venue.
MSG and road games in conference do not count as unfamiliar venues.
Challenge your team Jamie! Play in unfamiliar territory and then your players won’t be fazed by it when it really counts.

Comment by SFPitt 03.22.13 @ 7:20 pm

Georgetown getting teeth kicked in against Florida…..Oh and not the Gators… Florida Gulf Coast. LOL Big Least is a joke. We are the worst in the joke conference. Nova getting smoked. Wow….

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 7:27 pm

Florida GC would beat Pitt and Dixon and their coach probably makes 350k. LOL

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 7:28 pm

Has anyone else noticed how many times Sam Werner has mentioned the lack of seriousness or focus during the football practices. he written about it at least 3 times and had a pretty good write up about Devin Street stepping up as a leader and talking about how it’s that lack of committment that keeps Pitt football from being consistent.

Anyway, that doesn’t sound good.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.22.13 @ 7:31 pm

Pitt Dad, touché, you are correct. Somewhere in the future, perhaps 2046 if no changes are made, Jamie leads Pitt to a NC.

Just to make us all feel like we are not alone in the universe with our misery, the Hoyas are getting absolutely thrashed by FGCU, who appear to be incredibly talented and are very entertaining to watch.

If G’town loses, they will have exited their last five tournaments losing to three 11 seeds, a 14 seed, and a 15 seed (yet they still get respect from the national media as if Patrick Ewing was patrolling the key). Pitt fans, it could always be worse. H2P…

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.13 @ 7:36 pm

Nova making a run.

Comment by panther94 03.22.13 @ 7:38 pm

Time running low on GTown.

Comment by panther94 03.22.13 @ 7:40 pm

Teams like Georgetown and Pitt are mirror images of each other except GT knows how to run off backscreens a little better and pick and roll a little better. Neither team has much of an offense and that is why this kind of coaching style + defensive oriented players will never ever go far in the NCAA’s.A team cannot just expect offense to happen off their defense. It has to be created…creatively and with good guard play. Look at the stone cold killer shooters for Butler, Southern etc.

You can have those shooters but if you reign them in and put a rope around them (see Ronald Raymon)
it still doesn’t work.

I love Jamie. He has done wonders for Pitt BBall.
We need a coaching change!

Comment by Dan 72 03.22.13 @ 7:56 pm

It could always be worse. We could be Pedo State.

Comment by TX Panther 03.22.13 @ 7:58 pm

Wow over 600 comments now.

Haven’t had time to catchup with all of them yet, but I will since I value everyone’s opinion.

One thing I remember that was a constant on this board that we all seemed to buy into was this:

This team will be far better at the End of the Season than it was as the beginning of the season.

While I guess it was slightly better, but it wasn’t far better. Yes Adams had a double double to end the season, but it seemed to me a lot of those points were in the last 3-4 minutes when the game was lost and they were willing to give up 2 pointers, not 3 pointers.

As far as the other players other than JR and Durand Durand, I didn’t really see many of them got any better during the season.
Maybe a micron better, but far better. Nope they were as inconsistent for the most part as they were in December.

And that imo was due to the constant lineup changes with this myth of a 10 deep.

IMO you can not get into any offensive cohesion or offensive flow to the game by constantly jerking players in and out of the lineup. And we all know, 98% of Pitt games had NO OFFENSIVE FLOW to them at all.

Which also invariably led to almost one poorly played offensive half of basketball, almost EVERY GAME. Now against the weak non-con that was no problem, but we had difficulty putting away even BigEast bottom feeders, USF & Seton Hall for eaxmple as late spurts made those games appear to be a more comfortable victory than they really were.

Against the Top 50 teams we played, one bad half can kill you which was reflected in the 4 wins and 8 losses against the better opponents. And are chronicled below.

Most of the time those halves were the 1rst half where Dixon seemed to have a pre-programmed pattern of substituting. Which imo led to very slow starts, no offensive flow to the game and no offense. I think he got carried away with that, sort of like a mad scientist is with his experiments.

In the last 2 games we had 21 points and looked horrid on offense yesterday and against Cuse we scored 27 points looked lost and trailed by 13 at the Half. A team with little offensive firepower can not trail by 13 and expect to come back unless the opponent totally collapses.

In fact in all but 2 of losses we had horrid first halves when the pre-set substitution pattern or at least more substitutions were mainly in force.

1)ND we scored 22 in 1rst half (this was the game that ND didn’t score for almost 14 minutes in the 1rst half, game was lost in the 1rst half)

2) Marquette, we scored 29 in 1rst half, trailed by 13 at Halftime

3) Louisville, we scored 26 in 1rst half, trailed by 6 at Halftime

4) Marquette (1rst game) we score 30 in 1rst half, trailed by 3 at half

5) Rutgers, we scored 25 in 1rst half, trailed by 14 points at halftime

That’s 7 of the 9 losses. The other 2 losses we had horrid 2nd halves

So again too many substitutions (and when you look back you’ll see all 10 players were used in ALL these losses in the 1rst half) in the 1rst half led to no offensive cohesion, no offensive flow and many lackluster 1rst halves, which caused Pitt to be behind at halftime and in some cases substantially behind.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 8:06 pm

GTown making a furious attempt to come back.

Comment by panther94 03.22.13 @ 8:09 pm

*note we didn’t trail Notre Dame at halftime.
Indeed we were up by 3. (22-19)

But that game was lost in the 1rst half, Pitt should have been up by 20 points after ND didn’t score a point in almost 14 minutes.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 8:12 pm

Dixon’s defense system doesn’t work in the Tournament part 3

link to scores.espn.go.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 8:17 pm

G-Town its over. Beat by FGCU. Who ?????

Comment by alcofan 03.22.13 @ 8:18 pm

@IRON DUKE – everyone talks about JD’s early exits from the tournament. How come no one makes a big deal about GTown’s? I guarantee no one on the Hoya boards is suggesting that JT III be fired.

BTW – exactly how many McDonald’s AAs does FGCU have?

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 8:19 pm

Georgetown was just two fouls short of not having enough players to play. Wow.

Comment by panther94 03.22.13 @ 8:20 pm

Exactly Pitt Dad…

Comment by Kenny 03.22.13 @ 8:21 pm

Upittbaseball, you or me could be a good recruiter at Kentucky.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.22.13 @ 8:21 pm

LOL Ward

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 8:25 pm

Emel, good point. I spewed a lot of WTFs this year when a player would make a great play or hit a nice shot only to be immediately yanked, because it was his turn to sub out. Instant momentum kill. Again, too formulaic.

Pitt Dad, probably no AAs on FGCU (11 years a team, 6 years D-I?), but that PG could play for my team any day of the week. They were a fun team to watch. Fun…can basketball still be fun?

Comment by Iron Duke 03.22.13 @ 8:33 pm

Thank God for Georgetown, lol

They will be known as the biggest chokes of this tournament now.

Lose going away to Florida Gulf Coast, 68-78

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 8:33 pm

wbb, good idea but nobody is listening. Maybe Reed could start a thread.

No comment on the O-line other than Clemmings ahead of Hollings. I imagine Chryst is happy to be under the radar with this group of rabid fans.

Georgetown is snakebit worse than us, number two seed beat by a virgin. and badly. Big East overrated goes down in a cloud of dust. One and done is tough.

Comment by gc 03.22.13 @ 8:34 pm

Nova out.

Comment by panther94 03.22.13 @ 8:34 pm

@Iron Duke – basketball is supposed to be fun?!? Where did you ever get such a radical notion?

It seems to me the teams winning this year approach the game like they’re playing with house money. Let ‘er rip and go for broke.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 8:36 pm

And that imo was due to the constant lineup changes with this myth of a 10 deep.

IMO you can not get into any offensive cohesion or offensive flow to the game by constantly jerking players in and out of the lineup. And we all know, 98% of Pitt games had NO OFFENSIVE FLOW to them at all.

To be a great TEAM on defense, you need to get to know and trust each other. To get to be a great team on offense, you need the same AND more time to develop a feel for timing, spacing, etc. THAT CAN’T HAPPEN WITH A 9 OR 10 MAN ROTATION of college players.

That said, Jaime is not going anywhere unless he chooses to and I hate to be looking forward to next year already, but I am.

Comment by TVax 03.22.13 @ 8:42 pm

BTW gents…we are in the ACC now….3-1 so far. Go ACC…loved seeing G’Town & Nova go down too. We will be recruiting against all those Catholic 7+3 teams for the Eastern talent for years to come.

Loved seeing Cincy go down too….would love to see Cincy and UConn go the way of Duquesne. BE is getting hammered this year….beautiful.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 8:42 pm

Heard on 93.7 Fan that Dixon will be analyst on CBS. Also if UCLA louses tonight it might make Dixon think more about USC but go figure that out.

I think Dixon will not pass up coaching Adams.

Comment by Frank MD 03.22.13 @ 8:45 pm

Amazing the lack of perspective and knowledge on this site. Just look at who is winning and losing. Parity is here and no one is safe. Upittbaseball, why do you waste your time posting on this site? Stop telling us for a “FACT” when you have none. Also, I’m tired of the know it all Cyo/HS coach who thinks he is connected and knows what is going on. Give me a break. If you were such a good coach, why didn’t you step up to the big time? Jamie Dixon is the best thing to happen to Pitt BB in 30 years of basketball and some of you want to run him out of town. Amazing!!!

Comment by TMG Panther 03.22.13 @ 8:45 pm

@Frank MD – Adams will transfer with JD

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 8:46 pm

And Go Iowa St. and Minnesota.

link to bruinsnation.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 8:49 pm

JT III gets Carte Blanche…..sort of like another guy in DC. Go figure.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 8:49 pm

Adams can’t transfer with JD because he would have to sit out a year….he would be an idiot to do that.

TMG…you’re wanted back at the Pitt office….

link to youtube.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 8:53 pm

@Jackagain – I might take that story more seriously if they could spell Jamie’s name correctly.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 8:54 pm

TMG – You sure you aren’t Steve Pederson? No accountability… Go give Jamie his crown. He’s the best ever… Oh until March that is..

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.22.13 @ 8:55 pm

@Jackagain – he might have to sit a year but he might also apply for a waiver given the close personal relationship between JD and his family and the fact that he is from not only another country but another continent. Not sure he would get the waiver but they do grant a great many such waivers.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 8:59 pm

@ PittDad. Jamie isn’t going anywhere and Adams will be a Panther next year. Of course we could always get Someone from this site to coach. They seem to know everything about college BB!!!

Comment by TMG Panther 03.22.13 @ 9:01 pm

@Pitt Dad….I think Dixon would have to adopt him :-)

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 9:04 pm

@Jackagain – LOL – maybe

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 9:09 pm

@Upitt you add nothing to the discussion except your negativity and even that isn’t consistent. See GT comments above. I won’t engage in a debate with someone that claims to be a Pitt fan and never supports our teams, coaches or administration. Your sad.

Comment by TMG Panther 03.22.13 @ 9:11 pm

Dan the info on QB is available on ESPN recruiting – hope he likes us.

Comment by Frank MD 03.22.13 @ 9:11 pm

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 9:24 pm

I think I heard during the broadcast yesterday, Dixon’s wife went to USC.

While I appreciate what he has done (and hasn’t done at Pitt), his stock is prolly the highest it’s going to be right now. A couple more missed NCAA years and/or early flameouts will only diminish his stock.

Further his apprehension over joining the ACC will surely be reflected on the team imo. As a team generally takes on the personality of the coach.

But I’m not exactly tickled about Howland just because he’s buddies with Cornhole Stevie, coming back to Pitt.

The Pete crowd is getting tired or is tired of Howland/Dixon grind ball. Sort of like listening to Grunge music 24/7. Blah.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 9:29 pm

Speaking of granting a waiver for a transfer, who on this site was happy to find out that T Zeigler was granted his waiver this past year?
Whoops!!!

Comment by TVax 03.22.13 @ 9:35 pm

EMel…his stock was a lot higher 2 weeks ago :-)

Anyway…Howland is a better coach and a better recruiter than Dixon. Should be an interesting couple weeks ahead.

Meanwhile the BE is 3-4 so far with a chance for ND to go down tonight.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 9:37 pm

J H Chryst. I did not think I could be any more depressed than yesterday, but i read that Dixon got a contract extension through 2016? What kind of a moron would give a guy like Jamie Dixon a contract extension for 5 years for no reason? What kind of a . . .?

Oh, never mind.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.22.13 @ 9:41 pm

No Howland please. His team has 9 points in 9 minutes.

Comment by Scott 78 03.22.13 @ 9:46 pm

Yes, and if Jamie returns, there have to be some major changes. Like Jamie resuming his role as an assistant, perhaps.

Unless Dixon already screwed the pooch with the turd he laid yesterday, our best hope is that wheeler dealer Stevie can swing the 3 cushion shot with Howland returning to Pitt. And if that isn’t desperation, what the hell is.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.22.13 @ 9:47 pm

Paul Zeise is on the Nightly Sports Call pretty much saying what most of us are saying here…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 9:52 pm

Pitt fan: Who hired Jamie Dixon? I know I didn’t.

The AD: You know, there was this kid once. Friend of Ben Howland. We palled around together. Made our bones when you were going out with cheerleaders. He was cheap. He won games in the Big East. He filled the Pete. Yeah, he sucked in big games, but he was an earner.

As much as any man, I loved him.

Then, one day, after another shitty loss in the tournament, he winds up being vilified on this board.

When that happened, I let it go. I didn’t ask who hired him, or who posted the devastation on this blog about him. Because it had nothing to do with being a Pitt fan.

And I said to myself – I am a Pitt alum. And this is the life I have chosen. And I gave him another 5 year extension.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.22.13 @ 9:57 pm

Bruins playing like they’re trying to get Ben fired.

Comment by Scott 78 03.22.13 @ 10:07 pm

With ND & UCLA going down that will be 2 more Dixon style teams going the way of the dodo bird….lol.

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 10:10 pm

He will get Pitt to a Final Four before he’s finished coaching. Quote by Ron Cook in the post and as much as I dislike Cook sometimes, I believe him! I just think we need to be real careful what some of you wish for. Usually when these things happen and the coach is fired for not taking a team to final fours is they get someone else and go back down to mediocrity. I’m just not willing to let our ad hire anyone at this point! Seriously, how sad is that? I would rather ride the Dixon train a little longer, and see how he can develop Adams for another year and maybe even two. I am as sick as everyone, believe me! But the grass isn’t always greener!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 03.22.13 @ 10:16 pm

With Georgetown getting blasted by a no name school — and it wasn’t as close as the score indicates — and ND going down — maybe Pitt’s loss just reflects a weak BE this year. And that Jamie still managed to get his kids to 12 wins with inferior talent.

Comment by velvil 03.22.13 @ 10:26 pm

Agreed, Sweet Caroline. With Stevie P doing the hiring, we could end up in the great abyss again.

Comment by Scott 78 03.22.13 @ 10:27 pm

Minnesota limped into in the NCAA’s. Having lost 11 of their last 16 games.

Had they not be in the B1G,I seriously doubt they would have made the field.

Yet they lead Howland’s UCLA by 10 at half.

35-25.

As far as Howland being a better recruiter than Dixon. That was only because he was at UCLA.

Actually Ben did better with his the players he inherited at UCLA than any of those he recruited.
Lots of transfers, etc at UCLA the last 5 years.

Thanks but no thanks, snail ball is boring.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 10:37 pm

So, why is so much this year that defensive teams are falling like flies?

Comment by panther94 03.22.13 @ 10:37 pm

The slow it down half court ND that dismantled Pitt at the Pete is getting crushed by the athletic Iowa St.

Now someone please explain to me how Iowa St. in the B12 can out recruit Dixon?

Sorry, but the 5 stiffs who can slow it down and defend system doesn’t work in the 21st century….

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 10:47 pm

Inferior talent or not, and we had 3 Top 100 recruits on the team, so it wasn’t inferior, it was just misued. He still has no clue how to use Adams.

You had 3 inside players who were better playing “face up”, yet they were put in position to play, “back to basket”.

You had several players that were better in transition, including the bigs, but were forced to play at a snail’s pace. Think Chas mnetioned 335th in the country.

The pace was more of that of a Howland team that was devoid of any real talent.

And limiting the amount of possessions only makes each possession that much more important, creates more pressure and magnifies every mistake.

I would like to see a lot more possessions and trust the players to make more plays than mistakes.

That shows confidence in your players. At some time as a child is growing up you take him out of the highchair, you take off his harness and you let him run in the yard.

If you don’t, you will surely stunt his growth.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 10:48 pm

Zeise was saying tonight that he saw JJ Moore when he came to Pitt and he was the athletic shooter we all dream about, but Dixon made him go to the weight room so he could play the 4….Zeise asked him why he doesn’t play more and he said because he can’t defend well enough.

Another player like Taylor that he ruined…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 10:54 pm

Also limiting possessions puts a premium on foul shooting. An annual Pitt fiasco.

I could see doing this grind style in 2001 & 2002 when we hardly had any real talent.
But those days of little talent are long gone.

Yet they still coach like Toree Morris is playing Center instead of Adams. it’s incredible !

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 10:55 pm

Emel, that top 100 stuff is worthless, and so is McDoanld All American.Jim Boeheim has been quoted as saying most of those kids are lucky to be decent college players.

This was not a not a talented team,and if you read Fittipaldo’s blog this season, it’s clear Dixon thought that was the case. And Dixon let this team do more free lancing this year than he did in past years. And every good coach tries to limit possessions — you shorten the game in your favor. He didn’t misuse — your word — any of these kids. You misunderstand that they have limits, that he clearly sees.

Comment by velvil 03.22.13 @ 11:00 pm

So happy the Domers got blown out.

Comment by Scott 78 03.22.13 @ 11:03 pm

When UCLA goes down this will be a perfect day for me…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 11:07 pm

wow Notre Dame got smoked by an average Iowa State team 76-58 that lost 11 games in the reg season.

BigEast is getting torched in this Tournament.
Pitt lost by 18
ND lost by 18
G-Town lost by 10 to a #15 seed
Cincy got beat by another mid-major from the Mo Valley

That is really weak.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 11:12 pm

I don’t read Fittipaldo’s blog or most of them period. I can watch the games myself and then deduce.

I’ve watched more basketball than most of them, so I don’t need to be told, what to think and I don’t get free lunches and buffets from Pitt’s AD dept to have my views tainted.

“Every good coach trys to shorten possessions.”
haha. What do you think the reason why coaches press for. To create turnovers WHICH GIVE YOU MORE POSSESSIONS.

BASKETBALL 101

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 11:17 pm

Yeah basketball 101 at savannah state. You are clueless.

Comment by Velvil 03.22.13 @ 11:20 pm

Savannah St. would beat Pitt right now…

Comment by Jackagain 03.22.13 @ 11:24 pm

@Jackagain, Yeah in their fantasy dreams.

Comment by Velvil 03.22.13 @ 11:29 pm

@panther94 – lots of teams jacking up lots of 3 point shots. If Western KY had shot a little better in the second half, we might have had our first 1 seed fall to a 16.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.22.13 @ 11:33 pm

Howland’s UCLA getting destroyed by a team that finished below .500 in the Big 10.

When it comes down to it these so-called ‘defensive teams’ can’t even play defense in a one & done. Minnesota as noted above losing 11 of their last 16 games is ‘nothing special’.

Everybody ratchets up their intensity and therefore their defense in a one & done.
You need to be able to score cause when teams want to, they can play defense . A lot of times teams don’t want to play defense in the regular season and don’t play with intensity, that is the only thing Howland/Dixon teams do in the regular season that other top teams don’t.

UCLA shooting a Pittlike 32%….a horrid 20 for 62

No return of Howland please !

If it’s between Howland & Mike Rice, I’d take Mike Rice.

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 11:40 pm

@Velvil

Are you debating the fact that coaches use a press defense to create turnovers which in turn give your team more possessions?

I just want to see how clueless you are

Comment by EMel 03.22.13 @ 11:45 pm

Looks like Dixon is willing to change philosophies:

link to post-gazette.com

we’ll see

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 5:47 am

From Sean Miller in a Ron Cook article today:

“Coaches know coaches, and we all put coaches into different categories,” Miller said. “I have no problem saying this: Jamie is one of the elite coaches in our game. Period. People are going to look back 20 years from now at the job Jamie and Ben Howland did at Pitt and not believe it. They resurrected the program at a time it really needed resurrected.”

Miller said he’s too busy with his problems to pay much attention to what’s going on at Pitt. But he expressed surprise that Dixon is taking so much heat. Pitt has gone to nine NCAA tournaments in 10 years under Dixon but hasn’t made it to a Final Four and has been to just one Round of Eight.

“It’s very difficult to make the NCAA tournament. It’s even more difficult to advance,” Miller said. “Parity is at another level in college basketball. When I played, there was a huge disparity between the haves and have-nots. Now, there’s no gap. Every team you play in the tournament is a good team.”

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 5:53 am

Looks like the Big Rast was way overrated this year. Not only are they 3 and 5 in the NCAA, Marquette was very lucky .. and the rest of the teams really stunk it up

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 6:19 am

Someone said it above. I don’t think Dixon’s coaching has adjusted to him being able to recruit better players. He’s got horses that he doesn’t know how to use. I was at the Gtown game last night and it was a beautiful thing to watch FGCU play free, loose and with swagger.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 03.23.13 @ 7:13 am

pass has 4 letters in it,score has 5 ,5 always beats 4, other than golf

Comment by paul shannon 03.23.13 @ 7:29 am

Well, many of us were calling for more up tempo offense early in the season when things weren’t going so well. Things got better, and that was kind of forgotten.

This team does have the players to run. Adams and Zanna in particular are big guys that can move. A more wide open style would really help Moore. Wright can flat out fly and finish.

Johnson is fast. Patterson is a great passer in transition, although more deliberate and less speedy.

JR is more deliberate but certainly has enough talent to go up tempo.

The tournament is telling us what kind of style is necessary in the age of parity. The ACC is going to demand it. Jamie needs a new assistant that excels in this style.

I don’t see Jamie ever endorsing run and gun, but change is inevitable, if you don’t adapt to the environment, you will not survive. Or in this case advance and survive.

We have the players, c’mon coach get out of your comfort zone. It’s time to play fast paced exciting, above the rim, high scoring ball.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 7:47 am

gc agreed. Pitt could have run more, and probably should. At least pick their spots. You can just see the instinct to do so, immediately followed by “oh, wait…we’re not supposed to run.”

Lots of posts that Pitt needs a shooter, and for sure they do, but even more they need guards that can penetrate and create. They are so desperately lacking, and really evident to me after watching 20 hrs. of hoops over last 2 days. Even the lowest of seeds, W. Ky was constantly getting to the hoop on a much bigger Kansas team. That can do as much, if not more to open up Adams. I guess Zeigler was supposed to be that type of player (not). Patterson can at times, but won’t more times. Wanamaker was a master at it, Fields good as well.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.23.13 @ 8:21 am

A one word description of how this year’s March Maddness is panning out,,,,”PARITY”

I live in DC area, Georgetown fans woke up still shell shocked by that drumming they took last night. That Hoya a$$ whoopin makes it a little easier being a Pitt fan this morning.

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.23.13 @ 8:29 am

Up-sets Galore! It wasn’t just Jamie Dixon and Pitt.
2 Seeded Georgetown goes down to 15 seed FL Gulf Coast
A lot of other teams also lost to lower seeds, No. 5 Wisconsin, UNLV, Kansas State, Notre Dame, and UCLA.
Marquette got very lucky to win over a lower seed as did Kansas and Gonzaga.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 8:41 am

@Shannon – unless the scoring is match play in which case 5 beats 4

@Justinian – yes it is comfort but small at that. We can revel in the embarrassment of others (don’t the Germans have a word for that?) but it also means it is the kind of tournament we could have (and perhaps should have) won.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.23.13 @ 8:45 am

Iron Duke, By all accounts the point guard coming in next year, from North Carolina, is a quick penetrating guard, which should be a good compliment for Robinson. Pitt needs a penetrating guard, a shooter, and a back-up big man. The big man will be the toughest thing to find. This guard could make a big difference.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 8:49 am

GC, If you look back three years ago, with Lavance Fields, Brad Wannamaker, and company, Jamie Dixon let them run and open it up at times, when the opportunities were there. He did make adjustments, to run more than Pitt did with the Julius Page and Jarone Brown teams.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 8:58 am

@ Chas & Reed, I’m done licking my Pitt BB wounds now. Time to get a thread going on football. There was a scrimmage yesterday. On to Spring practice!

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.23.13 @ 8:58 am

Pitt Dad, Yes, we are awful people, in that “We take can take pleasure in the misfortune of others.” It offers us solice and vindication. It’s a type of controlled warfare and often, in sports, “My enemy’s enemy is my friend.”

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 9:07 am

“PAIN” is not just a word Clubber Lang used in Rocky 111. It describes (Pitt) fans after every NCAA loss. Here’s a quote from a New Mexico 33year beat writer, who resigns in disgust after the LOBOS were eliminated. Could any or us write this?? Just sub the word Pitt for Lobo!

But I won’t be wrong again. It was a lot easier to take when expectations were lower. Losing was acceptable because UNM had almost always lost when it really counted. You didn’t have visions of greatness, only to have them dashed. After the pitiful performance UNM put up against a team that doesn’t even offer scholarships, I’ve given up. Having all five starters back next season means nothing on a team that can just disappear like that. I’d be back to wondering when it would collapse, have a terrible game and lose to an inferior team again.

No, I’ve had it. I’ve been to my last Lobo basketball game after covering the team for much of the last 33 years. Many of us could write this!

But I won’t be wrong again. It was a lot easier to take when expectations were lower. Losing was acceptable because UNM had almost always lost when it really counted. You didn’t have visions of greatness, only to have them dashed. After the pitiful performance UNM put up against a team that doesn’t even offer scholarships, I’ve given up. Having all five starters back next season means nothing on a team that can just disappear like that. I’d be back to wondering when it would collapse, have a terrible game and lose to an inferior team again.

No, I’ve had it. I’ve been to my last Lobo basketball game after covering the team for much of the last 33 years.

“But I won’t be wrong again. It was a lot easier to take when expectations were lower. Losing was acceptable because UNM had almost always lost when it really counted. You didn’t have visions of greatness, only to have them dashed. After the pitiful performance UNM put up against a team that doesn’t even offer scholarships, I’ve given up. Having all five starters back next season means nothing on a team that can just disappear like that. I’d be back to wondering when it would collapse, have a terrible game and lose to an inferior team again.

No, I’ve had it. I’ve been to my last Lobo basketball game after covering the team for much of the last 33 years.

Good bye Lobo Basketball”

But I won’t be wrong again. It was a lot easier to take when expectations were lower. Losing was acceptable because UNM had almost always lost when it really counted. You didn’t have visions of greatness, only to have them dashed. After the pitiful performance UNM put up against a team that doesn’t even offer scholarships, I’ve given up. Having all five starters back next season means nothing on a team that can just disappear like that. I’d be back to wondering when it would collapse, have a terrible game and lose to an inferior team again.

No, I’ve had it. I’ve been to my last Lobo basketball game after covering the team for much of the last 33 years.

Comment by Dan 72 03.23.13 @ 9:12 am

If you have not read it there is an article by Fittipaldo in the PG this morning with the title ”
Panthers’ weak offense needs to be addressed”. It is all you need to know as to why Pitt crashes in the NCAAs.

Just as I said they have no go-to scores whom can penetrate off the dribble and score or dish to the open man. Just rebounding and defense alone does not make it if you do not have some players who can create their own shots. The result is the motion offense stagnates and scoring becomes very hard.

Comment by Kenny 03.23.13 @ 9:24 am

Dan 72, After listining to the ESPN talking heads praise the New Mexico Lobos, I went back and changed my brackets. BIG MISTAKE! Often your first instincts are the right ones. My other mistake was picking the Panthers to win the first two games against Wichita State and Gonzaga in all my polls. Despite all that, I was sitting on top of my bracket poll, until Georgetown and Kansas State bit the dust.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 9:25 am

Guys, Despite the poor outcome in the NCAA tournament, the glass is not half empty. A penetrating guard and shooter can make a big difference. We have one pretty good shooter in Johnson already. Newkirk is a quick guard coming in next season. Let’s see how Adams improves his offensive game over the summer and next season.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 9:33 am

Winning is exciting. I had no problem watching Jamie Dixon’s Pitt teams with DeJuan Blair and Sam Young or the 30 and 1 Princeton team that lost to Michigan State in NCAA. That year Princton’s only regular season loss was to North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Princeton almost won that game. If I want to be entertained, I’ll go to the movies. I like to see good winning basketall and Jamie Dixon has given us that.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 9:56 am

UCLA, Wisconsin, Georgetown, Pitt

What do these teams have in common? They all play boring basketball, they all play slow basketball, they can’t score, and they all lost in the first round.

Comment by Alex P 03.23.13 @ 9:59 am

Does anyone remember A Gibbs predicting THIS Pitt team would contend for the NC. I do believe with this year’s experience and if Adams stays, next year that may be true.
Zanna needs to change his mindset and become something maybe he can’t – a physical beast offensively. Adams WILL be stronger on both ends of the court. If Newkirk and Young aren’t flops, JR as a sophomore can be the glue that makes this work.
I still do not want to see a 9 or 10 man rotation during the regular season. And as most post here, lets have Jamie “let them just PLAY basketball” a lot more often.

HTP!!!

Comment by TVax 03.23.13 @ 10:03 am

I keep reading guys trying to lay this loss at the feet of Steve Pederson. To me, that’s intellectually honest.

Stevie-P has given Jamie Dixon all the tools he should need to win in late March, with the possible exception (jury still out) of good assistant coaches. And if it turns out they’re not, even that is at least partly (if not wholly) on Dixon: if (?) his assistants don’t/can’t bring the helps he needs, then replace them.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.23.13 @ 10:06 am

My two cents….JD knows exactly what this team can and can not do. One thing they don’t do we’ll is run the floor. I can recall two 3 on 1 fast breaks that resulted in not only no points, but not even a shot attempt because we turned it over. There were numerous other fast brakes with no points because we just don’t pass well, or at all in the break. You say get the ball inside to Adams or Zanna… Here is the problem, both of those players have hands of stone when it comes to catching the “hot” pass. I can’t tell you the number of times the guards made good, crisp passes in to those two only watch the ball bounce off of their hands. I think JD knew this was a “play in” year for next years team. They can and will improve. I also think we will adapt our style of play to the ACC. I expect we will see fewer shots with the shot clock under 10. I also expect have at least one “catch and shoot” 3pt player on our roster….I know, I know there is always next year. At this point we have no choice but to believe it!

Comment by HbgFrank 03.23.13 @ 10:13 am

I am waiting to see CO State and Louisville today.

Pitt does need a quicker offense and getting the ball to Adams. The next year seniors need to realize now that this is their last chance.

Comment by Frank MD 03.23.13 @ 10:17 am

The more I watch the tourney the more I look at everything before March as pre-season.
I have noticed that most teams that fail in March (failure meaning not playing up to their potential) are the teams that view the regular season as the end of their growth. That is now coined in the phrase “bring your game, not your name”.
Our guys and coach felt slighted by their seeding: based mostly on our name and our conference. NAME.
Our game told a different story. In reality, we were seeded too high.
ND & GT are crying the same blues. Time for us to play a national schedule. We will be far better off in March if we cross the Mississippi long before Jan 1.

Comment by SFPitt 03.23.13 @ 10:17 am

Should have written “seeded too low”. We were closer to a 12/13.

Comment by SFPitt 03.23.13 @ 10:24 am

Oops! I meant intellectually DIShonest (to lay this egg-laying at the feet of Steve Pederson). Wow, what a different meaning that makes…

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 03.23.13 @ 10:30 am

BruinsNation believes Howland is done at UCLA. If
true, then Dixon has his chance to go back home. BN’s question this morning: Will Pitt take Howland back? link to bruinsnation.com

Comment by Tonyinhouston 03.23.13 @ 11:28 am

The recent discussion here sounds a lot like the discussions we had when ging Fraud GRaham for football. “We’re too slow. Too boring. It’s all about offense and tempo in college now”.

IMHO, I think it was the wrong sentiment then and now. I don’ts ee one style as better for the NCAA Tounrey than another, it’s about doing your style very well.

Living in the nest of Big 10 country I can’t tell you how fans here worship Tom Izzo. I follow him closely. What does he preach, rebound & defend. If you won’t do those t2 things, you sit the bench. Pitt is really built to emulate MSU. I don’t think Dixon is a good a coach as Izzo but I do think Dixon is good.

Dixon tried to get his year’s team to play faster pace. The players themselves said so during the season. either it was not their style or comfort level or it was hard for them to break the mold.

Pitt’s depth was there for fast pace but I didn’t see the players for it. Patteerson, Zanna, Woodall were just not that athletic for their positions. Ronison to some extent as well. Johnson seems athletic but really needs to work on his ball handling.Zedigler was built for faster pace but he was a disaster.

We do need more offense, ball handling and athleticism. I think we got here largely because of 2 bad years of recruiting.

Having said that, I am excited by both next year’s team and the last 3 recruting classes. They are faster, more offensive oriented and athletic than waht we have been getting. Case in point, next year’s core by eligibility (not recruiting year): Sophmores: Wright, Robinson, Adams, Johnson. Freshmen: Josh Newkirk, Chris Jones, Mike Young. (Although Wright & Robinson have a ways to go on offense.

That group appears a lot more talented, offensive skilled, quicker and athletic than: Taylor, Zanna, Patterson, Moore, Woodall.

But let’s face it. The Big East was not as good as we thought this year. That does not bode well for adjusting to the ACC>

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.23.13 @ 11:30 am

Reed or Chas we need a new post may the game was
to much and they both are on a 3 day drunk

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.23.13 @ 11:57 am

Alex…add ND to that list too. I’m on record here counting down all those loses in the Pitt style on this thread. 1950’s BB is outdated because only high schools around here play it now.

I do like the fact though that Dixon is willing to change…we saw glimpses of it with the 2-3 zone. What he needs to stop is his insistence of trying put extra weight on pure shooters (like JJ Moore) and especially telling true scores like JJ Moore & Durand that they can’t play because they can’t play shutdown defense. Pitt only needs 3 guys like that and 2 pure scorers on the floor.

And I agree with TVax that Dixon needs to end this 10 man rotation….8 deep is plenty unless someone fouls out or gets hurt.

@HbgFrank….that’s Dixon’s fault for recruiting nothing but defensive stiffs…another Pitt problem.

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 11:59 am

Dixon’s grind it out defensive minded style needs hard nosed tough defensive minded players. This team hasn’t had a player who fits that mold since Wannamaker. Dixon’s style,like any other style, only works with the right kind of players. Alot of the posts above suggest that Dixon move to a more up tempo style. This team as currently situated does not have the right kind of players for that system (that kind of system relies more on having quick penetrating guards). Not sure that Dixon’s style attracts the elite athletic type players. Thus, I think as long as Dixon is here we will need to be realistic and hope that he can find the Wannamaker, Paige and Blair types that can make his style successful.

Comment by Floyd 03.23.13 @ 12:03 pm

Bowling Green Panther….tell that to Pitt, ND, Wisconsin, UCLA, G’Town…..

Izzo doesn’t have 10 stiffs on his team either….he also recruits guys like Keith Appling & Gary Harris, and in the past guys like Charlie Bell, Mateen Cleaves, Paul Davis, Draymond Green, Drew Neitzel, Morris Peterson and Jason Richardson.

You can’t advance in the NCAA’s with all defensive stiffs. At least not in this era of parity. Someone will get hot and knock you off early. Dixon needs to change and change now…especially with us going into the ACC with their refs.

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 12:10 pm

Just looked closely at the statistics from thursday’s game and wow. Just wow. Pitt’s starting 5 played a total of 129 minutes and made 10 field goals. That same group was a collective 0-12 from three-point range and ended up with more turnovers (12) than field goals (10). If you take Adams’ 5-7 shooting out of the equation the rest of the starters shot 5-30 and had 11 turnovers. It’s one thing to play badly but it’s pretty clear Zanna, woodall, Patterson and Robinson panicked and tightened up early on. It goes without saying Pitt needs quicker guards and a wing player that has NBA scoring potential, but Pitt also needs that alpha male on the court. In the past, while the Panthers might not have had the younger more talented players they did have more “men” out there. Dudes like Wannamaker, Troutman, McGhee, Blair, Young, Fields, etc all fit that mold. None of Pitt’s current players are those types of guys and it was never more evident than against Wichita State. Yes, Pitt needs to upgrade in the talent department and that’s first and foremost, no question. But a few take-charge guys that demand accountability and can lead, by force if necessary, also are needed. I’ve watched a lot of basketball over the past two-plus days and plenty of teams are playing loose, attacking, having fun, and embracing the moment. Looking back, I don’t even remember a smile from a Pitt player, plus Dixon looks like he’s about 3 seconds away from a full-blown nervous breakdown. I’m not sure how you recruit swagger and confidence, but Pitt is in need of those qualities in a major way.

Comment by WorkinOnMyPittness 03.23.13 @ 12:23 pm

@Jackagain,

I’m not sure that I’d classifiy Adams and Johnson and Newkirk as “stiffs”. And just about every single player you mentioned for MSU is the same type of “stiff” – your description – as Pitt. How many of those players are stars in the NBA. I would compare Cleaves to Knight, Peterson to Sam Young, etc.

And there are still many teams left in the tourney who play a more traditional style of game. But just about every one of them has quicker athletesand better shooters than Pitt.

This year’s team and last year’s was certainly ofensively challenged compared to prior years. Most people who watched them saw that.

Rebounding and defense is still a large part of winning if not the biggest part. As someone just posted, this year’s team was not as hard-nosed and determined as previous years. Our defensive numbers were inflated by the pace and the level of competition both in conference and out of conference. There were many games where we could not defend the interior (Louisville) or the outside 3 pointers.

And we never had the shooting, movement, pentertation ability or athletiicsm to lead with the offense.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.23.13 @ 12:47 pm

Shaka not looking so smart as his team trails Michigan by 25. They’re shooting 18 of 48 (1 for 11 from 3 pt range) and, while they are getting Michigan to turn it over, they are having no luck taking advantage

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.23.13 @ 12:57 pm

Watch and listen to this video:

link to espn.go.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 1:26 pm

Let’s go for a 1000 comments. .

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.13 @ 1:41 pm

Here’s the formula, in order of importance:

*hire big time assistant coach, load up a brinks truck and pay what it takes.
*Schedule TWO more tough preseason games, nova and Georgetown come to mind, even if we have to go their place.
*recruit guards who can dribble drive and a shooter or two, start with Devin Wilson fom Montour.
*run the offense through Adams next year until we get the guards.

All of that is reasonable. And if the big time assistant can help Jamie when things get tight, Pitt could turn things around. Simple.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.13 @ 1:52 pm

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 1:55 pm

I agree Boubacar Aw…but Dixon needs to put them on the floor before he turns them into lock down defenders and he needs to stop the practice of trying to put square pegs in a round hole.

Dixon’s favorite math question:

link to plus.maths.org

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 1:59 pm

Good article here from the Trib. Dixon & players still in denial though about the system :-(

link to triblive.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 2:06 pm

Jackagain. 100% agree.

Hire an offensive coordinator big time assistant and give him some flexibility.

Zeise is right on the money.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.13 @ 2:10 pm

Don’t know who the top assistant at MSU is but hire him. Because whatever izzo is doing in march is working.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.13 @ 2:13 pm

Agreed on the assistants. With the potential athleticism of our youngster and newcomers Pitt should have a lot more flexibility and offensive potential next couple of years. Should have…

And I strongly agree on Mihcigan State. Izzo is a great coach and except for the past two years he has usually not had that much more talent than Pitt.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.23.13 @ 2:20 pm

A top Izzo assistant would never come here to be an assistant…unless he gets to replace Dixon as HC.

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 2:27 pm

Some NCAA teams are all offense and they win some games but when cold they lose. Some teams are all defense and when they play in the NCAA they see that the offensive teams play more defense in a one and done tourney.

A team that plays ok defense and ok offense has a balanced approach and they do better in one and done.

Comment by Frank MD 03.23.13 @ 2:34 pm

Doesn’t really matter, but my posts today have been under the name Steve.

Sorry, just noticed it.

My son wanted to post yesterday. Guess I didn’t change it back.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 2:49 pm

Ha Ha, looks like they’ve been erased anyhow!!

Just a lot of hot air, you didn’t miss anything!!

LOL!!!

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 2:56 pm

There was nothing wrong with Jamie Dixon’s ,when he had Lavance Fields at point and DeJuan Blair inside. Coming into this year, everyone knew that Pitt was still a year away. After a 1-3 start in the Big East, the Panthers started to play better, with some big wins over Georgetown and Syracuse. After going 12-6 in Big East play, our expectations became a little too high. They still need a little more development from Adams and Robinson and a few more pieces. Considering where they came from at the begining of the season, they actually did fairly well.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 3:09 pm

B10 looking good but doesn’t hurt that 2 Mich teams playing in Aubuen Hills and OSU playing in Dayton. Meanwhile, Syracuse out in San Jose and Pitt not only gets 8 seed, they have to go out to Utah.

There is no excuse with the pod system that a team should travel across the country

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 3:46 pm

@Justinian & @wbb,

Agreed on both counts.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.23.13 @ 3:56 pm

I think the NCAA (just like the bowls) only cares about money. Keep the big name teams close to home so that they fill the arenas. Teams from small schools or who travel light are sent many miles away.

Comment by Frank MD 03.23.13 @ 3:59 pm

Dixon signs contract extension through 2023.

Comment by Mailman 03.23.13 @ 4:00 pm

I am if nothing else and ACC officiando.

I fell in love with the ACC traveling thru NC to my largest account, Lowes in the 80’s and have always held them in very high esteem. I am thrilled Pitt has joined the ACC but we will get murdered playing the low scoring, low shot total style we are currently playing. Don’t know how we can change it but it needs to be changed.

Adding insult to injury, Pitt was one of only two losses in my bracket opening day and I only had 3 losses yesterday. Every one of my brackets is solid and alive except for the “Pitt” bracket because I lost my mind and have them going to the final 8!

Lots of folks picking Wichita to beat the Zags today and the betting line has dropped just like the Pitt game. Does anyone know how much money has to be bet to drop a betting line just one point?? It’s $$$$ millions!!

Comment by Dan 72 03.23.13 @ 4:08 pm

CBS reporting that JD signed new deal at Pitt through 2023.

Comment by Scott 78 03.23.13 @ 4:13 pm

Barclay (when he heard JD signed an extension), ” he lost didn’t he”, “wonder what would have happened if he won!”

Comment by markp 03.23.13 @ 4:14 pm

Let the Steve Pederson bashing begin. This will get us to 1,000 easy.

Comment by Scott 78 03.23.13 @ 4:14 pm

You guys have to be joking. Signed an extension???? Should have read more like he gave back Pitt money after the same terrible performance year in and out. Pederson is a moron.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 4:17 pm

omg….this is ridiculous…10 more years of boring deffensive bball…the recruits should be knocking down the door…unbelievable

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 4:18 pm

Awesome move by Pitt to give Dixon the extension.

Comment by milo bloom 03.23.13 @ 4:20 pm

The crazies are running the asylum known as Pitt. USC didn’t even want him after his terrible performance. Pederson with his great deal making gets scared and locks him in. Being average sures pays in the Pitt AD world. I wonder if he locked in Chryst or Bernadini or whatever her name is. I mean she hasn’t one a Big Least game in 3 years…. Don’t let her get away.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 4:22 pm

Milo – I will have whatever you are smoking. No one else wanted him… Yeah great move. SMH

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 4:23 pm

For those of us who really listen to what Dixon has been saying his comment on Pittsburgh and how he feels is no surprise.

Saying in a written statement that he would like to “finish my career at the University of Pittsburgh,” Pitt coach Jamie Dixon agreed today to a 10-year contract extension through 2023.

“Pitt and Pittsburgh are home,” Dixon said. “My family and I feel blessed to be part of such a great institution and wonderful city. It is the people who truly make a place special. I could not be surrounded by better players, staff and administration. These aren’t just people I work for and with every day. They’re friends and I’m very thankful for that. I would like to express special appreciation to our leadership team of chancellor Mark Nordenberg, athletic director Steve Pederson and executive vice chancellor Jerry Cochran. Their guidance and friendship have been invaluable. I greatly appreciate the faith and support they have always shown me since my arrival at Pitt.”

Comment by milo bloom 03.23.13 @ 4:23 pm

LOL – Friendship is the only reason he has a job. Anywhere else he would be fired. At least where winning is valued.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 4:26 pm

The ACC is a differnt animal than the Big East and we may have only 2 players now who can compete.
Adams can compete in any confernce. He may be better suited for ACC because of his offensive to the basket game. Dixon will have to use Adams in 2013-2014 in he wants to compete.
Unlike most Acc teams we do not have the quick and accuarate shooting guards. Adams will have to get the ball often and score 15 to 20 which he can do for Pitt to compete.
If Young can be effective at the four we can handle any ACC inside.
Robinson is a good defender and I expect his outside offensive game to improve with Woodall gone. He has good stroke but like Adams I think Dixon had no confidence in him and with most of the plays set for Woodall and Patterson (Patterson will struggle in ACC) Robinson lost his confindence because his coach did not have confidence in him.
Adams was to not part of the offense and would often lose his concentration and confidence because of it. He also spent far to much time on the bench as Dixon fell in love with Zanna beating up on the DII schools.
Johnson is a bust, as is Wright, Moore, and Zanna. It also appears that Zeigler maybe too.
Adams, Robinson are the real deal. I think Young may contribute immediately.
With Woodall gone the back court will not be as reckless and inept defensively. With Taylor gone Dixon will not feel the need to take minutes away from Adams because Taylor was a senior. This will also help.
Lighten up Jamie and find some help from someone who can put the ball on the floor and shoot. Also use the teams stregths rather than your perceived obligations (woodall, etc.).

Comment by pittisit 03.23.13 @ 4:26 pm

I seriously don’t think pitt fans will stand for this if he does not change his style…THE PETE hasn’t been the same in years..and you see alot of empty seats……just ask the fball fans…a ton of them refuse to support the panthers, whether it be the PITT script debate or the bad hires from smiley….we could see the support of our panthers deminsh…sad to say…but know one likes this style of bball and losing year after year to teams we should beat in the tourny..ugh

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 4:27 pm

Smoking that Pitt locked up the best coach for Pitt basketball for next ten years…sort of..we all know these contracts hardly end as written..unless your are Walt Harris.

What are you smoking that makes you think Pitt can get a better coach for the school…Anyone who is a Pitt Supporter should be proud that the school is being represented by a man like Dixon.

Comment by milo bloom 03.23.13 @ 4:29 pm

This team will not get better until JD changes his philosophy on offense and he uses the talent of his players in a way to succeed…how many times this year did players look scared to shot the ball??…Let your guys play bball JD!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 4:32 pm

Milo – He is a great man no doubt. I believe you 100%. I don’t think he is a good recruiter, judge of said talent or game planning or in game coach.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 4:33 pm

You people are really into talking about Pitt.
Anyone who thinks we should get rid of Dixon is a fool.

Comment by Justin 03.23.13 @ 4:35 pm

Charles Barkley on the Dixon extension, “He lost didn’t he? If he won they would have extended him to 2050.”

Any more evidence needed that Pederson is incompetent?

What other AD lets his basketball coach parlay a 4th place league finish, declining home attendance and a horrible flame out in tourney into a 10 year extension?

I knew they would never fire Dixon, but a 10 year extension? Pitt has no leverage anymore. Dixon will continue to do what he’s been doing and on the same lightly downward trajectory. Insane.

I need to hire Dixon’s agent.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.13 @ 4:41 pm

Oh and this should get us to 1000!

Chas, no new post until we get to an even grand?

Comment by Boubacar Aw 03.23.13 @ 4:42 pm

LOL..Yup…that’s why he has the best win percentage of all time in the Big East…imagine what he would be if he was a good recruiter, a better judge of talent and game planning or a better in game coach….he would be undefeated in the Big East.

You guys who want Dixon gone need to watch other college programs besides, Duke, Kentucky, Louisville NC and Kansas…pick any other team besides the elites…which Pitt clearly is not and tell me how any other program is better off and a wrong move in coach change and we’ll just be another Maryland or Purdue.

Comment by milo bloom 03.23.13 @ 4:43 pm

Great news that Dixon is re-signed for the long term. There are several commenters here who think that Dixon’s run at Pitt has been mediocre. I can only conclude that they either can’t help indulging in over-the-top hyperbole, or they don’t understand what the word “mediocre” means.

I share in the disappointment regarding Pitt’s showings in the NCAA tournament. But Dixon has run a good program here on- and off-court, and I’m happy he’s sticking around.

Comment by Navy Panther 03.23.13 @ 4:44 pm

And anyone who thinks that Brandon Knight is on a par with Tom Herrion or Joe Lombardi is even a bigger fool. A great coach hires an asst. who will challenge him, not a “yes” man.

Comment by Bobby 03.23.13 @ 4:44 pm

Upittbaseball — name a better candidate. Just one guy who would come to Pitt and have even a 50/50 chance of having more success than Jamie. Go ahead. Please. Someone please try to do this.

I’m starting to think Pitt fans are delusional that this is somehow a destination for coaches who are definitely gonna turn the program around (As if that is what we need anyway.

We could spend millions more on our facilities and pay the coaches 150% of what they get now and it’ll hardly move the needle. And it doesnt matter anyway.

If your a good coach, once you’re making millions, its no longer about whether you can get a 5-10% pay increase. (bad coaches do tend to chase money though, ahem, Todd Graham). College basketball is generally about building programs. That’s what good coaches do. That’s what they want. That’s what Jamie is striving for. He wants the court to be named after him one day. IT takes time. It took Coach K time, it took Calhoun time. Boeheim. Seriously, what in the name of all that is good an holy you think is a better move than locking Dixon in?

Do we Calipari like guy who will coach for a few yrs, maybe have one great year, a few disappointments then leave your program in tatters? I’m just trying to figure out what in god’s name you think is a better deal here.

Just to say again, you Dixon haters (or whatever you want to call yourselves – the UPittbaseballs of the world), you have absolutely zero perspective.

Comment by PantherP 03.23.13 @ 4:45 pm

yeah Boubacar, Charles Barkley has always been the voice of reason. A true wit of our age.

(i love the guy actually, but wouldnt take his advice on anything)

Comment by PantherP 03.23.13 @ 4:47 pm

after the fiasco we have gone thru in football the last 2 years, maybe we should be more accepting of this event with consideration that

1) Adams is pretty much a guarantee to return and should be much better
2) Dixon has indicated himself that he needs to change his philosophy and recruiting
3) we can spout out names like Miller, Smart and Stevens all we want … but there is absolutely no guaranteethat we would hire an improvement

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 4:51 pm

When has Dixon indicated he needs to “change his philosophy and recruiting”? Watch any game today or tomorrow and tell me if you see the low post guy run out to the top of the key on defense.

Comment by Bobby 03.23.13 @ 4:54 pm

one more thing, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see a shake-up in the coaching staff … maybe a return of Roerrsen or maybe one of Ben’s staff who s a good recruiter

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 4:54 pm

And I disagree with those who think that Nordenberg’s tenure at Pitt is somehow tarnished by the lack of success of the Athletic Department, as though athletics and academics have an equal share in the overall purpose of the University. This isn’t West Virginia or some academic bottom-feeder southern football factory we’re talking about here.

I understand that academic and athletic success are not mutually exclusive (Stanford, Duke, etc.). And I care about the football and basketball programs as much as most of you– how many of you have pulled all-nighters recently to watch our 6-7 football team (I’m stationed in Germany)? But in the grand scheme of things, the academic success of Pitt is a hundred times more important than the performance of the athletic program.

Nordenberg has been a successful chancellor because Pitt’s academic quality and reputation have risen during his tenure. Nothing that happens with our athletic program short of a Penn State type scandal (heaven forbid) will change that.

Comment by Navy Panther 03.23.13 @ 4:57 pm

JD isnn’t gonna get rid of his current staff…it’s all bout family…and friends at Pitt..eww we like this guy…or…oh hes such a good guy…..we don’t make decisions with the best interest of wins and competition….we like to safisty people..in house…ridiculous

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 5:08 pm

That 10-year extension is a severe overreaction to the USC rumors. Wow. That’s just not how I would do things. They built an on-campus arena, are in a premiere conference,…wow.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.23.13 @ 5:16 pm

PantherP – Accept Mediocrity all you want. I’d hire in a second the following names who built their programs into winners without all the hype of a supposed good conference. Mississippi State’s Coach, Oregon’s Coach and at this point even Florida GC Coach. They have better athletes, better coaching and are actually winning in the tourney and beating teams way better than Wichita State. While you are at it I’d take their coach over Dixon’s underachieving embarrassing March performers.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 5:23 pm

Mississippi State I don’t think even had a winning record this year, let alone made the tournament…If you have ideas for coaches, name names, not schools- preferably ones you have watched a few times.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.23.13 @ 5:29 pm

Coach at Oregon has been a head coach in college BB for 24 years and hasn’t even made an Elite 8 game yet…ole Miss coach is in his 8th year and this is his first time in NCAA tourney…And Flordia GC coach may be next Roy Williams but you don’t throw out the Big East all time win percentage coach to find out…..unless maybe I could get tickets to sit next to his wife at the games..in that case I may go for it.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 5:34 pm

WTF ….a 10 year extension.

What if we flame out in the ACC.

Hopefully we don’t, but what if we do.

We’re going to be on the hook for a lengthy contract and absurd money and would severely limit
who could hire.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:35 pm

Oh He said Missippi St and not Ole Miss..that’s even funnier..they were something 12-20 and he’s a first year coach,

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 5:35 pm

Holy crap, they did the dumbest thing they could have done. History shows to never give coaches extensions like this. When the right job comes around Dixon will leave – no matter what his contract here is. If we need to fire him, we will have to eat the rest of his extension. Essentially Pitt gave him a raise to turn down a job (USC) that he did not want. Brilliant.

Comment by Chuck Morris 03.23.13 @ 5:36 pm

This stmt killed me too.

“He has been far more than a basketball coach at Pitt and we are fortunate to have such a high-caliber person representing our university.”

This coming from a putz who showed DW the door.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:38 pm

Emel you could say that about any contract he would have…10 years is the new standard in these case…it’s what New Mexico just gave Alford… He’s won for 10 years now so a pretty easy gamble to take especially since you are probably getting for lower than other teams would. (I don’t know what the increase was going forward.)

In the worse case Pitt would not remove Dixon for at least 5 years..and those odds are pretty slim……If Dixon keeps making the tourney he’ll see all ten years of that contract.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 5:43 pm

That article released very early today, 12 am, suggesting Dixon is going to change his recruiting philosophy and all this other crap about he now knows we need to get more offense.

He’s known that for years, what a pos cover piece by Fittipaldo.

That was written to set up the later in the day announcement that Dixon got a 10 year extension.

We’re all supposed to believe Dixon has seen the light, the errors of his ways.

What do they take us for ?

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:43 pm

I am too stunned over the Dixon signing to make any reasonable comment. I will be more stunned after my next 2 glasses of scotch.

Un f’n believable! Where do I get a job like this??

Comment by Dan 72 03.23.13 @ 5:44 pm

He’s brought JUCO transfers in here before.

Anybody remember John DeGroat, how about Cassin Diggs. How about the stiff guard he brought in from Centenary, can’t even remember that stiff’s name.

I do…they were all stiffs.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:46 pm

Emel..maybe you didn’t realize but a very large reason Wanny was let go was because the kids he had recruited we’re getting into all kinds of issues and Wanny wasn’t doing anything about it.

I liked Wanny, thought he should of been given another year, but I don’t think he was representing Pitt well when he was let go.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 5:48 pm

Ok so the Defensive End threw someone who called him a name thru a glass door in South Side.

And Zeigler was arrested for drunk driving in his Humvee, while sitting in the middle of an intersection.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:52 pm

Ontario Lett was a JC and worked out..but he’s the only one in Howland-Dixon era.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 5:53 pm

Fields has his little problem down in The Strip one year.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:54 pm

Emel…in 2010 Pitt was #1 in Sports Illustrated Criminal Report…and I know first hand that there were other incidents that were quieted by the school.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 5:59 pm

DW’s problem was he wasn’t in the clique.

Plain & Simple

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 5:59 pm

Emel, Ontario Lett and Jermaine Dixon were ok.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 6:04 pm

I obviously meant Ole Miss not Miss State.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 6:08 pm

Emel..If Wanny won football games and didn’t have almost 2 dozen players arrested he would of still been coach no matter what clique he was in. bUt enough about that ancient history.

You guys who wanted Dixon replaced should be happy as well about the extension…you have ten years of something to complain about without having to think of something new….if he left you would of had to start up on replacing Chryst already.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 6:11 pm

Mile – Was she hot????Florida GC’s Coaches wife??? Never saw her but will look against SDSU. I hope they smoke them.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 6:12 pm

Ole Miss…A coach who it took 6 years to get the NCAA tourney for the first time..that’s much better than Dixon.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 6:13 pm

Chryst and his boring offense and lack of head coaching decisions and bone headed calls before the half will do him in on his own. He is a lifetime OC plain and simple.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 6:13 pm

She was a supermodel..Amanda Marcum her name before marriage….Google the name..he’s already won big time.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 6:15 pm

jftr – JD was under contract through 2016 so it’s only a 7 yr extension.

jftr2 – she is smoking hot

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.23.13 @ 6:17 pm

Upittbaseball, WHO IN THE FUCK ARE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE TO REFER DIXON’S PROGRAM THE LAST 10 YEARS AS “MEDIOCRITY”?

In 11 years, he has 10 NCAAs, 3 Sweet 16s, 1 E8 and more league wins than anyone in what has been the best basketball league. If you think Pitt has a rich BB history, then you are mediocre .. and he certainly doesn’t have great recruits in his backyard.

I WILL GUARANFUCKINGTEE THAT THERE ARE WELL OVER 300 NCAA PROGRAMS THAT WOULD LOOOOOOVE THIS MEDIOCRITY WE HAVE SEEN THIS PAST DECADE!!!!

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 6:20 pm

There was nothing wrong with Jamie Dixon’s ,when he had Lavance Fields at point and DeJuan Blair inside. Coming into this year, everyone knew that Pitt was still a year away. After a 1-3 start in the Big East, the Panthers started to play better, with some big wins over Georgetown and Syracuse. After going 12-6 in Big East play, our expectations became a little too high. They still need a little more development from Adams and Robinson and a few more pieces. Considering where they came from at the begining of the season, they actually did fairly well.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 3:09 pm

The guy that made that team what it was, was Sam Young who was the only guy at PITT who could take over a game in this whole era.

He was just incredible in our run to the Elite 8 averaging over 25 ppg and 8 rpg in the Dance.
Hit the 2 big 3’s in the final minute against Nova to bring us back.
And averaged close to 20 ppg in the reg. season.
Dixon almost ran him off after his soph year.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 6:23 pm

Ok the profanity’s have started..I’m going to watch basketball.

I know it’s early in the 2nd..excuse me ..3rd round but notice how we have all teams from Big Conference so far in sweet 16…though I probably just jinxed that.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 6:25 pm

DW did win football games.

The most in a 3 year period in 30 frickin years. lol

And more than likely it will be another 30 years that Pitt wins 27 games in 3 years and finish #15 in the country.

So enjoy the waiting like most of us did.

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 6:27 pm

And like DW, the reason we ae so disappointed at this time is because we have higher expectations … something not prevalent in a program mired in ‘mediocrity’

The fact that there are 800 posts to this thread shows you just how ‘ mediocre’ Pitt BB is!!

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 6:30 pm

One last post for Emel..’Dixon almost ran him off his soph year’….if you making points on things that almost happened then I guess you’ll never lose an argument..
…how about keeping it to things that actually did happen
….Sam Young, who Dixon recruited and coached, became one Pitt’s best players of all time and helped a Pitt team get to the Elite Eight
..but I guess if you said that then that doesn’t help your case in removing Dixon.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 6:31 pm

I’m out too !

Anybody that thinks a 10 year extension was warranted with this program having plateaued is drinking the Kool-Aid.

Peace out !
Veritas et Virtus !

Comment by EMel 03.23.13 @ 6:31 pm

Very Happy with the 10 year extension. In my opinion this Pitt team was really a year away from being a NCAA tournamnet team and think Jamie will learn from this latest lost. I know we are bummed about this Thursday’s lost but I really did not want to have Pitt go job searching given our past football experience. I bleed Pitt blood and hurt as much as anyone Thursday but know in my heart that someday soon we will all be dancing in the street with our Pitt basketball team. Only one team is going to win each year and I think we have to remember that I doubt they anyone had Pitt winning more that 1 game in the Big Dance this year..Given the tone of some on these comments I have been reading Bob Huggins should be fired since WVU did not make the Big Dance or Jon thompson should be fired after losing to a 15 seed. Let’s all relax and enjoy the tourney. It was great to see Jamie so relaxed on the halftime show and I beleive this helps Pitt’s exposure.

Comment by BFoss 03.23.13 @ 6:32 pm

Did you read the paper today, Sean Miller doesn’t want to come here.

I hope Birch is happy at UNLV.

Emel, I am not talking to you but some of your compadres only come on here to bitch and never have a positive thing to say and don’t show up at all when we win.

It was a miserable loss, but Woodall was 1-12, 1-5 from the line with 5 turnovers. He missed wide open shots and lay-ups. Passed to phantom players.

He had his worst game ever. Must be time for a new coach. Oh yeah, they didn’t even make the NIT last year.

By the way, the vast majority on this site wanted Wanny gone, don’t try to rewrite history.

Pitt is not going to spend 3 mil on a coach and break a lot of rules to get the superstars on campus. Awards are no fun when they take them away, ask UMass and Memphis how they feel about Calipari, USC about Pete Carroll.

Do think Pitino would still be at Pitt after his public display of amore?

I’ll take the 20+ win seasons. Hail to Jamie!

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 6:33 pm

Louisville gets credit for win at home even though they had 24 fouls. Their defense was intense. Pitt style against Louisville was much better than CO State’s.

Comment by Frank MD 03.23.13 @ 6:36 pm

Frank, you are #800, you win the prize.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 6:39 pm

no doubt Pitt needs quickness, and their toughness was not what it has been … but still, to term this program as mediocre is silly.

And Emel, you know as well as I do that a 10 year extension is for only for show. Wasn’t Wanny granted a 4 or 5 year extension the year befor he was axed?

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 6:41 pm

Saying you won the most games in a three year period in last 30 years for Pitt isn’t exactly something to hang your hat on..that’s not enough games won if you have almost 2 dozen players arrested and #1 on Sports Illustrated Criminal Report for 2010.

Comment by milobloom 03.23.13 @ 6:42 pm

Wbb, mediocrity was during regular season. In March it’s way below that. Lets praise and give extensions to underachievers.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 6:45 pm

Sean Miller is handling business. Would like to see him go deep. Also Oregon is no slouch.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 6:48 pm

New ACC money comes in handy.

Comment by alcofan 03.23.13 @ 6:49 pm

Milo, that’s a one year phenomenom, it certainly wasn’t a trend. 6 months earlier Pitt was bragging how over 95% of the 4 year FB playesr had graduated under Wanny. It certainly had to be cleaned up but if Pitt had 2 more pts vs Cincy in 09 and/or 3 more pts vs UConn in 010, Wanny would sill be here

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 6:51 pm

Mediocrity was during the regular season????????

Upittbaseball, what is your definition of above average and good?

Comment by wbb 03.23.13 @ 6:53 pm

In other news, Cyanide Steve signed Agnus Berenato to a 20 year extension and upped her salary by 50% saying:

“It’s hard to find great coaching talent these days, and we felt that her fine work with the Lady Panthers over the years warranted us locking her up for as long as she wants to coach here at this fine University…(hic)”

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 7:06 pm

How is 12-6 in the Big East mediocre? By no stretch of the imagination is that mediocre. Get real.

Comment by panther94 03.23.13 @ 7:11 pm

Anyway….the deal isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. It was just a vote of confidence to Dixon from the university….

If Dixon ever wants to leave, the college he goes to will have to buy out a lot of his contract I suspect, so I actually like what happened after UCLA robbing us of Howland (Man am I glad UCLA lost).

I’m willing to give Dixon a couple years to adjust his coaching style (if he does that is) to the new CBB and what he’ll be up against in the ACC. He already has 2 good guys coming in and 2 more ships….it’s how he used those 2 ships (2 more stiffs?) that may tell us a lot before next season….and I better not hear “they can’t play until they can lock down on defense….”

Should be interesting anyway…

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 7:15 pm

@ panther94…I agree, but other than L’Ville the BE actually stinks this year. It’s not your dad’s BE anymore….watching the Tournament by any chance?

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 7:18 pm

Very happy with the Dixon extension…Gives us stability. That will help recruiting…Re UPittbaseball: See Wbb comments above….

Comment by HbgFrank 03.23.13 @ 7:18 pm

Reed, where are you? We need to scrutinize the football coach and team.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 7:19 pm

I’m even happier that Agnes got her extension.
Carrying a conference losing streak of two years is NEWS.
Cyanide Steve subscribes to the theory that any publicity is good publicity.
With that in mind cleverly orchestrated the Wannstadt, Heyward, Graham trifecta! Graham leaving was Madison Avenue good luck.
The ladies team slogan entering into 13-14 season is “with Steve, all bad things are possible”!

Comment by SFPitt 03.23.13 @ 7:31 pm

Hehe , I like the name “Cyanide Steve”. Who came up with that?

Comment by Chuck Morris 03.23.13 @ 7:35 pm

Bruin nation says Howland to be fired sun. Stay tuned.

Comment by alcofan 03.23.13 @ 7:40 pm

Howland…..hmmmm…..HEY…that’s the exciting new assistant Dixon needs to move us into the 21st century! A pipeline into California! We’re saved!!!!

And to think Howland could have had this HC job forever…if only….

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 7:43 pm

I hear you Jackagain. The Big East is down this year, but is at least mediocre, right? So, being a better than average team in a mediocre conference, by definition, makes us better than mediocre. I guess that’s the best argument I have.

Comment by panther94 03.23.13 @ 7:54 pm

Thank God! Jamie is our coach! He has taken us to multiple big east championships, multiple sweet sixteens, and basically a final four! One shot away! I would much rather complain about pitt and some early exits in march than no tournament appearances with some other coach! It was a young team and we won over twenty games and finished fourth in the conference. There is something to be said for that! The grass isn’t always greener! The typical pitt fan thinks they give passes to te final four! Real hard to get there! Ask any coach! Dixon will get a squad with good chemistry and will have some luck in the NCAA one of these years! I live the move and support him fully! Lets go pitt! I gotta good feeling about next year so Dixon can tell everyone to suck it!!!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 03.23.13 @ 8:15 pm

Cyanide Steve has been on this stuff for years now….I think he may have ODed recently….

link to youtube.com

Comment by Jackagain 03.23.13 @ 8:15 pm

I’m ok with Dixon staying, but 10 years seems, well…desperate given the events of the last 48 hrs. I sincerely doubt the contract came with any performance requirements, but it should have.

Look,we all know Jamie wants to win. I think it is safe to say that we all consider him a stand up guy and a fine representative of the university. Legitimately, however, our patience with post season performance has worn thin. I guess we can only hope that perhaps he is capable of self-evaluation and is willing to fix those elements of his approach and of the program that need fixing.

Wichita up on the Zags at the half. Not sure if that makes me feel better or worse. And this just in: Marquette’s Vander Blue is a helluva player.

Comment by Iron Duke 03.23.13 @ 9:04 pm

EMel, Believe me, I didn’t forget Sam Young! He was a terrific player. He and DeJuan Blair were the most talented players on that team. Lavance was the heart and soul, as the floor general. That was the best Pitt team since the 88 team with Charles Smith, Jerome Lane, Demetrios Gore, Shawn Miller, and Jason Mathews.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 9:07 pm

ben howland will be fired on sunday .

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.23.13 @ 9:08 pm

Are you f’ng sh*tting me? 10 more years of this f’ng sh*t?

Come on. This must be some kind of a sick joke. No sane human being would have done this. I mean, we were privileged to have this choke artist through 2016 anyway. But to give him 7 more years on the basis of his stunning performance against Wichita State? After he fired that team up so much they had to be hosed down?

This is a joke. Right?

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 9:09 pm

Gives us stability? Greece is stable. The country is a disaster, but it is stable. HGbFrank – whatever it is you are smoking, I want some of it.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 9:12 pm

My two favorite basketball teams are Arizona, and whoever Jamie Dixon is playing. The latter is pretty easy. Just wait until March.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 9:14 pm

Anyone watching Witchita St. handle Gonzaga must realize now that they are a pretty fierce defensive team.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.23.13 @ 9:15 pm

It seems we have a civil war happening on the Blather.

Comment by panther94 03.23.13 @ 9:15 pm

Man his wife is smoking it.. Florida GC’s wife was a supermodel….this guy could lose for 3 seasons and he is still a winner. I’d take him over Dixon and give him 3M a season. He obviously can sell and recruit….look at her.
link to mstarz.com

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 9:17 pm

Curly escapes again…

Comment by Iron Duke 03.23.13 @ 9:31 pm

@KeyboardKev. That’s a fair statement.
This is not directed at you, I was going to post this before I saw your comment.

So, with your comment being understood……

I hope no one is going to come on here and say, “look, Wichita beat Gonzaga, so that makes Pitt look better”.

NO. We got smoked and embarrassed by 18 points to a Missouri Valley Conference team.

Possibly, if we got beat by a couple points, you might make that stretch.

Getting blown out by 18, please, just leave it alone.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:02 pm

Maybe it was Wichita State that was under seeded.

Comment by Scott 78 03.23.13 @ 10:08 pm

Now thats how you do it!!…Witcha St. just did something pitt has never done…beat a higher ranked team!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:09 pm

Why don’t all you people who hate Dixon just go root for Kentucky? You guys complain on and on about how horrible 20 win seasons are cause we don’t go far enough in the tournament. You’d save yourself a lot of grief and stress.

By the way when the heck is Pitt going to play a team that is falling apart in March? All Pitt does is play teams that are hot in March.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:12 pm

12-6 in the Big East doesn’t sound bad.

However, breaking it down, who’d we beat???

No one really.

Syracuse once. Without their star player.

Georgetown, when their team was in total discombobulation. We were the catalyst that changed their season.

That’s it, if you wanna hang your hat on that.

Slightly better than mediocre on pure record alone I suppose.

Especially with the Big East having a so-so year in general, don’t dig too deep in all of the Pitt wins.

Not bad, but don’t over sell it.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:12 pm

I haven’t seen anyone say they hate Dixon.

Not one.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:13 pm

Keith you know why Pitt hasn’t knocked off a higher team? Cause they never play higher teams because they are always seeded high cause of good regular seasons. If only Pitt was shitty in the regular season to end up a 10 seed every year.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:17 pm

I’m able to read the posts it’s clear a lot hate the idea as Dixon as head coach.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:19 pm

Wardapalooza…..great argument….your makeing a stronger case that Pitt is terrible when it counts..it still doesn’t change that they have never beaten a lower higher sedd than them

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:21 pm

You can always count on Gonzaga, Georgetown, and Pitt to crap the bed.

Comment by BATR 03.23.13 @ 10:22 pm

@Ward, ok, as coach, I’ll give you that. As far as a person, a family guy, and as a member of the community, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like him nor have I ever seen anyone post anything negative about him non basketall related.

I was hoping we weren’t debating that.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:24 pm

Dan, then we shouldn’t expect to much in the Tourney. If we were just so so why is everyone apoplectic about one more bad game.

This was a rebound year after one really bad year.

And Dan, I’m pretty sure PO’d hates Dixon and probably Pitt in general. And maybe Upittbaseball and I’m willing to give Jackagain the benefit of the doubt. Although Upitt has great taste in women. I think Emel could go either way but has a great sense of humor. And from what he says a pretty good night life.

Besides, anyone that doesn’t have a love/hate relationship with Pitt needs to see a shrink.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 10:28 pm

Wichita State is a terrific defensive team. They hit a lot big 3 point shots againt Gonzaga. I think the Shockers’ defensive quickness and their outside shooting was the difference. They’re a lot better team than they are given credit for.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 10:28 pm

We’ve only had two opportunities to beat higher seeds in the howland/dixon era….okl st. and ucla…both loses….all other loses we’ve been “UPSET”….

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:30 pm

dixon in ,idiots please sign off , excellent move by pitt to stabilize move to acc,loook at the shooting of the teams winning,haters like to hate, 10 years isgreat, but there is always away out,blow it out your ass if you think it is abad move,want alittle ralph willard crying in the elevator at the big east every year, what a$$holes

Comment by paul shannon 03.23.13 @ 10:31 pm

paul, tell us what you really think, how’s knish?

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 10:33 pm

I think Chas is afraid to weigh in on this mess.

C’mon Reed please put us out of our misery with a football thread.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 10:35 pm

Hey Warda – ten more years of crapping out in the first or second round of the tourney, if we even make it that far. And worse than that – not even showing up for teams like that perennial powerhouse, Wichita State. And running kids off of the team so we can make way for scholarships. And letting kids stay on the team after they have an “altercation” with law enforcement.

Man, you have some lofty ideals for your head coach. See me next year, when we are dueling with Wake Forest for the bottom of the ACC.

Thank god we stumbled on to Paul Chryst. At least we might go .500 in football.

Comment by Really PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 10:35 pm

Yeah I didn’t mean person at all. Sorry for being vague.

Keith when has Pitt played a higher seed? Only two I remember are UCLA that was a 2 in the Sweet 16 and a game that I went to Pitt against OK St that was a 2 seed in the Sweet 16. Notice two losses to really good teams that went to the Final Four. I’m sure if Pitt had more opportunities in last 10 years they would have.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:36 pm

@gc. That’s very fair, and I didn’t.

I don’t know how in the world to ever prove that to you, other than, I didn’t post much on here this week, and I haven’t posted that much on this thread.

I didn’t want to get bombed by saying this wasn’t a great team.

At least compared to our 03-09 teams.

I watched a lot of those teams, and KNEW they were going to win.

I’ve watched this years team and found myself HOPING that they would win.

Somethings different the past couple years. Talent?? Missing Rohrsen and the other fella (can’t think of his name), but, missing some good a.c. recruiters??

I don’t claim to have the answer, hopefully we can get it back.

Watch, I’ll get bombed for giving my opinion. I’m a hater, not a real Pitt fan, etc. etc.

Sorry, that’s what I saw this year.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:36 pm

yikes….where were all of the JD lovers the past couple of days??…I think it is very healthy that some of us want more for Pitt basketball…yeah it’s great that JD is a great guy….but his brand of bball is borring and outdated…you guys that support him must have a very high tolarance for pain…..i don’t

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:37 pm

Yes, we made the tournament, and that is a very good turn around. That is a positive.

I’m just comparing the past couple teams in my mind, to the teams in the 2000’s.

I’m not even talking about March. The teams in general.

So, I’m actually not ripping on Dixon. I think he had some fantastic teams, great teams that were fun to watch.

I just see a difference the past two years.

Too me, in my opinion.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:39 pm

And Paul – I hear that your 3 Stooges film is the replay of the Wichita State game.

Comment by Really PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 10:41 pm

Warda…forget it….they would have had many opportuinities….but they lose to shitty teams…your argument is weak…just like JD’s tournament resume

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:41 pm

@gc…don’t give UPittbaseball credit for having great taste in women. I mean, come on, what hetero man wouldn’t think she is hot? I gotta say, that was a ridiculous statement.

Comment by panther94 03.23.13 @ 11:02 pm

Dixon is a great guy. I haven’t read any comments to the contrary. But Pederson has once again taken the easiest way out. After all, finding head coaches is hard work and he just isn’t very good at it. Signing Dixon to what..a ten year deal..before beginning ACC play is a comfortable move for the Pitt athletic department. It’s a divisive move to those fans who believe Dixon’s resume at Pitt has already topped out. Why should Pederson or Dixon care? The Peterson Events Center will sell out again next season as it always does.

Comment by TonyinHouston 03.23.13 @ 11:02 pm

So to sum it up, based in years of reading this blog, Pitt fans hate the following people the most: Our head FB coach; Our starting QB; Our head BB coach; Our starting point guard; Our University President; and above all Our AD. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by HbgFrank 03.23.13 @ 11:14 pm

At this point it is what it is. Those of us who like HCJD are pleased that he will be Pitt’s bb coach for the foreseeable future (or until he decides he wants to leave). Those of you who want anyone but JD are entitled to feel that way. All I ask is that you keep an open mind and continue to support the team. After all, they still represent Pitt.

I am confident HCJD will learn and adapt. I am confident Pitt will be successful in the ACC. I am confident that Pitt will, sooner rather than later, make the final 4. I am confident that Pitt will, within the term of HCJD’s contract, compete for a national championship.

However, if I’m wrong, count on seeing me here admitting same.

HTP!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.23.13 @ 11:20 pm

Good one Hbg, lol

94, I was giving credit for posting the picture.

Besides, isn’t that the way to select a coach?

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 11:20 pm

Ben How land fired at UCLA. Wonder if Dixon regrets signing this morning?

Comment by MikePitt 03.23.13 @ 11:59 pm

Panther94 – Shove it up your ass.. I have great taste in woman….LOL….GC good call. This whole thing is so crazy. Does anyone still man this blog. haha…May as well get to 1000 posts… By the way I said the Big East was getting smoked before the additional 4 teams lost and someone said I was crazy. 12-6 in that conf with the lack of good teams is so so in my book.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 1:40 am

well what does 10 years and 3 final fours get you at UCLA?…….it gets you fired…what does 10 and ZERO final fours get you at PITT?…a contract extention…..moral of story
UCLA= HIGH EXPECTATIONS
PITT= CONTENT

Comment by Keith 03.24.13 @ 2:43 am

Just woke up

Had this strange dream, that Pitt was still alive and headed to the Sweet 16 in Los Angeles having just knocked off #1 seed Gonzaga.

And that Jaime got a 10 year contract extension.

Must have been that Chianti we were drinking last nite at Villa Antonio’s.

Going back to bed, my back is killing me !

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 5:28 am

Listen, I am as discontented as anyone with what went down the other day. And I do believe that we could hire a better coach, or at least one who can recruit better players. However, keeping a coach who has won as much as this coach has and obviously wants to be here is not a bad thing. If nothing else, the best chance of success in the near term, and maybe the only chance, is the return of Adams.

This offseason should tell us something about if Dixon is committed to change. Will he hire smeone who can upgrade the recruiting efforts? What does he do about the lack off frontcourt depth?

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 6:59 am

i like the shove it up your ass,fuck dixon group,bunch of frickin pussy cry baby basketballfans, want evans back or willard we have heard your shit for ten years and are tired of it,now i have to go to mass and confession,on palm sunday,hey u of pitt tball why not yell give us barabus

Comment by paul shannon 03.24.13 @ 7:06 am

Problem this year was: 1. Patterson regressed from last year and really didn’t contribute as anyone expected he could based on his prior year’s progression. 2. Zanna is soft-minded and has only shown dominance against weak competition. Improved over last year but never really broke through. 3. TW was given this team to lead and his shoulders weren’t big enough to carry. I question his basketball IQ ever since the post-game “selfish” mantra. 4. Taylor, the other senior, although a great kid, wasn’t a 5 star McD All American ever. 5. JJ regressed offensively AND never had much defensively. 6. JRob and SAdams are very good frosh who may become great, but that is no guarantee. 7. Cam(defensively/energy), Dur(shooting), and TZ(not sure) are bit players who were OVERUSED.

How much of the above is Jamie’s fault for their not developing? Some. How much of it is his fault for misusing their playing time? All!! Does he really get the most out of players? Regular season yes, post-season NO WAY.

Should he have gotten an extension to 10 years? I don’t think so, but did we have any chance to replace him with someone better? Who? My only confident choice would be Brad Stevens.

We’ll see how the next 2 or 3 years go with the transition to the ACC. This will prove his worth, or not. If not, then 10 years wasn’t smart.

Comment by TVax 03.24.13 @ 7:16 am

And I as much as anyone, really appreciate the last 10 years of GREAT PITT HOOPS. Hoping and maybe praying on this Palm Sunday for 3 more years of Adams. Would be very happy with him leaving early though, after he takes us to a NC.

Comment by TVax 03.24.13 @ 7:23 am

If I were JJ, Wright or Johnson, I would be spending 4 hours a day dribbling a basketball, I would dribble to all my classes. The one that learns to drive to the hoop through traffic and make a layup is going to be the most valuable guy on the team.

Did you see Peyton Siva yesterday?

If I were JR or Patterson, I would spend my time with Adams and Zanna doing the pick and role all day. I would be able to do it in my sleep, dunks and layups are much more dependable than 3’s. Live by the three die by the three.

It’s going to take more than Adams alone next year. Let’s hope the seniors show some dedication to upping their games.

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 8:04 am

@ Emel, Holy $hit you wake up early!!! You must have magically tranformed yourself into a Wichita State Fan during the night, dreamin like that. BTW, maybe Pitt didn’t get spanked by such a scrub team after all in the first round?

No wonder your back hurts, you carried around the Pitt BB team on it for for over a week while they struggled through the BE and NCAA tournaments. LOL.

Go Wichita State! On to the Final Four! If you can’t beat them, join them, I say!

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.24.13 @ 8:51 am

Over 800 posts over the last several days but not a single new post following the game? Maybe this loss was so bad it forced the authors into hiding.

Comment by Get the Glory 03.24.13 @ 9:30 am

@GC
You met my son….yesterday after basketball practice; you know, the one in which he learned that passing at the 10 year old level is a mortal sin and unless he can dribble and rebound, he will never see the ball, we went to the gym.
At the gym, it is reqally tempting to launch 3’s, try crazy stuff, etc….
Well, there is a young girl who shows up in the early afternoon; she is dressed in baketball jersey, ponytail. etc…
We have seen her before. She is a couple years older than my boy. So I ask her if she will work with my son on some dribbling, etc…she said yes.
So I scram, leaving my son no choice but to swallow his pride (a girl!!) and bring his game, not his name.
Your suggestion that JJ, Cam and Johnson live their lives to the tune of “basketball jones” is dead spot on. But it takes committment and checking your ego at the door. anyone can work on things they do well.
that was the point with my son. I left the two to their own devices and left. 20 minutes later the two were friends and my son got some technique under his belt.
Maybe JJ, Cam and Johnson can head down to the Palumbo center and work with Suzy M.

Comment by sfpitt 03.24.13 @ 9:42 am

SF, couldn’t hurt

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 9:45 am

nice summary TVax. Say a little prayer at Mass that Mike Young is as good as advertised and can start at the 4 next season and that Chris Jones at 6’6″ can shoot as reported and can take over the 2 spot. Hey, its a prayer, not a prediction. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 03.24.13 @ 9:54 am

Schizophrenia running rampant in Pantherland…all is well with the world…

mediocre all season in a weak conference…how could we be so mediocre and lose in the tournament?…fire the coach!

Glad to see JD is staying…10 year extension…so what?…he can probably still leave at any time but it does show Pitt’s commitment to the program and to what he has done for the schooL…I agree with Chris dokish in that he is the best coach we could get and have going into the ACC next year and is great news for the program…

I have always thought that winning your conference and conference tournament should be the primary goals of any college program because they are realistically attainable goals…something that JD has done with some regularity in his tenure at Pitt, actually the best of any Pitt coach ever and the one of the best in the BE over the last 10 years…

while the NCAA tournament on the other hand is a crap shoot…that is why so few teams have ever won it all (only 19 in the last 35 years and only 35 since the tournament began)…so to soley judge whether a coach is successful or not by how they do in the tournament is shortsighed and ludicrous IMHO…

I think that this year’s team overachieved…and has been mentioned, who on this blog had them winning more than 1 game at best in the tourney?

The prevailing thought among many here is that Pitt will bomb in the ACC becuase they will not adapt to the ACC style of play, more finese than physical…i for one think that within the next 3 to 4 years, the style of play in the ACC is going to become more physical…with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and ND the Big East style of play is going have a major influence on the league…just look at Miami; they play a physical style much more akin to the BE than the ACC…

I do agree that changes have to be made…I do not think that the current batch of assistants have served Pitt well over the last couple of years…they miss a strong recruiter like Roherson…I also think that he needs to recruit more shooters…and open up the offense more…

So lets wait to see what happens…I like so few on here look forward to next season and see only better things ahead for Pitt Basketball in the ACC…

HTP

Comment by Leaseman 03.24.13 @ 10:10 am

Wichita better than we thought but no excuse for how bad Pitt played. Adams key next year but offense needs to improve greatly overall. New recruits seem happy Dixon staying.

Comment by Frank MD 03.24.13 @ 11:02 am

Pitt recruiting now is the best it’s been. Just look at the offers that Mike Young and Josh Newkirk have from big time schools like Arizona and Indiana. If they get Jon Severe, Mr. NY basketball who just scored 40 in NY semi-finals, then I like the class a lot. Last years class was awesome with Adams, Robinson and Chris Jones, who some say is going to be awesome. The 2011 class was good recruiting wise but flamed out for other reasons. The 2010 class is the last ehh recruiting class.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.24.13 @ 11:26 am

we need a new post maybe that was chas who jumped from the 6 street bridge after the game.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 11:29 am

Could it be that the reason JD got the extension instead of the boot is that SP did not want to take the same coaching journey for BB as we have recently taken for FB?

Comment by HbgFrank 03.24.13 @ 11:30 am

Fankcan, Chas is alive and well on twitter. Maybe he is just letting all the dust settle in this post.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.24.13 @ 11:36 am

I hope JD is on the road Monday morning looking to fill those two scholarships with a couple of players that can actually shoot and beat you off the dribble. Amazing how coach doesn’t look as smart when talent level goes down. I would rather find kid’s that are good shooters and teach them to play defense than the other way around. I did get a laugh when Charles Barkley was told Dixon got a extension. “Didn’t he lose”? “What would they have done if he had won”? Give him a extension until 2050?

Comment by Wayne 03.24.13 @ 11:37 am

UPittbaseball, do you know anything about Pitt’s baseball team? Specifically, how does Cost field compare to other fields in the ACC?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 03.24.13 @ 11:41 am

Anyone catch Barkley commenting on the Kansas game? Kept referring to Withey as Whitey, at one point asked if he was pronouncing it right.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 03.24.13 @ 11:45 am

Anyone catch Barkley commenting on the Kansas game? Kept referring to Withey as Whitey, at one point asked if he was pronouncing it right.
Comment by marcus of schaumburg

Barkley can be an idiot, but he is funny. That could be said of me, except for the funny part.

Seems like he lives as if he came from nothing, enjoys life, and will leave with nothing and no regrets.

Comment by TVax 03.24.13 @ 11:53 am

Marcus….. I played at Trees Field. LOL.. Can’t tell you how many of the players from Notre Dame, UCONN, WVU that said their hi school fields were nicer. Haha… The new field is nice for what we are used to in the north but to be honest it is a below average stadium when comparing to ACC. I travel and recruit out of many SEC schools and they have awesome stadiums but the ACC is probably the best baseball conferance and the stadiums are really nice. On par with some double AA stadiums….we just took 2 of the first 3 against St. John’s…

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 12:07 pm

players that can shoot.
that is not a easy thing after last year and being one and done this year they wont be standing in line to come to pitt.
i hope he gets one or two my self but it is not like you go to k mart and pick them off a shelf.

75 percent of the kids have all ready signed
for this year and for the rest we are not on top of the list.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 12:16 pm

Congrats to JD for the well deserved contract extension! Fitting for his efforts in a region known for football and nearly devoid of D1 men’s Bball talent. For evidence check men’s Bball down the road @ the gates of he11, the State Penn! Their goal would be just to make the CBI someday. Hail to Pitt for all that institution of higher learning does in the community, nationally and in the world. (Why Pitt exists) Good luck to all those young students, men and women who proudly represent the Panthers in intercollegiate sports! UPone

Comment by UPone 03.24.13 @ 12:28 pm

Most commented post ever?

Comment by Timmeh 03.24.13 @ 12:45 pm

@everyone
Sandusky state won the NCAA wrestling title for the 3rd straight year.
EWL stopped being relevant a decade ago.

Comment by SFPitt 03.24.13 @ 2:42 pm

@Hbg Frank
Only a Pitt hater wants Cyanide Steve to conduct a coaching search.
The only reason I am happy for the extension is that it doesn’t force Cyanide out of the office.

Comment by SFPitt 03.24.13 @ 2:47 pm

Has anyone checked the police blotter for
spiritofsection22??????

Comment by Dan 03.24.13 @ 3:16 pm

lol Dan-o

Yep he sure did disappear. Maybe someone should call the Penn Monroe.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 6:46 pm

Had IU & Ohio Fake played anywhere but their backyward, they both would have lost to TEmple & Iowa State.

This POD system is a utter joke.

If the NCAA is going to let them play virtually “home games” the penalty should be they have to play in the same region.

Same thing with Mich & Mich State playing at home at Auburn Hills. And L-Ville playing in KY.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 6:49 pm

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