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March 21, 2013

The game is at 1:40. It’s on TBS. On the bright side, it isn’t a noon tip. The downside (for me) is picking up the kids from school roughly as the second half is getting underway.

Will Pitt be able to avoid yet another slow start to their game? They are definitely aware of it. I’m not sure that it makes a difference or not — the being aware of it part. The fact is, this Pitt team has started most of their games — win or lose — sluggishly. Fitfully. At this point in the year, it is hard not to shrug and acknowledge that this team doesn’t get off to good starts.

Dante Taylor got six stitches above his right eye from the Syracuse game last week. The eye is still a bit swollen, but he’s not missing the game.

As I noted before, the teams aren’t that different in style and emphasis.

“Except they’re maybe a little bit bigger,” Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall said. “They appear to be an inch or two bigger per man across the front line. Maybe our guys have grown an inch or two, but if it’s a mirror image I hope we stack up physically with them.”

I have to believe Lamar Patterson did not say this with a straight face.

“It should be an (up-tempo) pace, probably, because everyone has fresh legs to throw in there. So this should be a fun game.”

Of course Coach Jamie Dixon is bothered by the losses in the NCAA Tournament.

Know that smile Jamie Dixon will flash when he thinks a referee has butchered a call?

The one where his arms are folded, the head tilted a bit, the foot tapping, the skin seemingly going green as it’s about to burst through the suit seams … and yet his face somehow conveys sheer, unfettered joy, his every tooth showing and cheeks stretched like Christmas morning?

Well, as a public service to Pitt basketball fans, I’m here to break it to you (MEGA-SPOILER WARNING): It isn’t remotely real.

Yeah, you’re welcome.

But you know how I became sure?

As part of a good talk Dixon and I had shortly before the Panthers embarked for Utah, the coach flashed almost exactly that same smile upon my broaching the topic of his personal history in the NCAA Tournament.

No surprise. Dixon is not addressing the USC wants to hire him rumors.

“I guess it’s the time of year,” he said. “We don’t talk about other jobs. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. We’re used to it, I guess. And it happens to everybody, I think, this time of the year. It’s speculation, I guess, so I don’t give it much thought.”

Hopefully there will be more games to play to avoid any talk about the issue for a couple weeks.





Gives us stability? Greece is stable. The country is a disaster, but it is stable. HGbFrank – whatever it is you are smoking, I want some of it.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 9:12 pm

My two favorite basketball teams are Arizona, and whoever Jamie Dixon is playing. The latter is pretty easy. Just wait until March.

Comment by PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 9:14 pm

Anyone watching Witchita St. handle Gonzaga must realize now that they are a pretty fierce defensive team.

Comment by KeyboardKev 03.23.13 @ 9:15 pm

It seems we have a civil war happening on the Blather.

Comment by panther94 03.23.13 @ 9:15 pm

Man his wife is smoking it.. Florida GC’s wife was a supermodel….this guy could lose for 3 seasons and he is still a winner. I’d take him over Dixon and give him 3M a season. He obviously can sell and recruit….look at her.
link to mstarz.com

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.23.13 @ 9:17 pm

Curly escapes again…

Comment by Iron Duke 03.23.13 @ 9:31 pm

@KeyboardKev. That’s a fair statement.
This is not directed at you, I was going to post this before I saw your comment.

So, with your comment being understood……

I hope no one is going to come on here and say, “look, Wichita beat Gonzaga, so that makes Pitt look better”.

NO. We got smoked and embarrassed by 18 points to a Missouri Valley Conference team.

Possibly, if we got beat by a couple points, you might make that stretch.

Getting blown out by 18, please, just leave it alone.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:02 pm

Maybe it was Wichita State that was under seeded.

Comment by Scott 78 03.23.13 @ 10:08 pm

Now thats how you do it!!…Witcha St. just did something pitt has never done…beat a higher ranked team!!

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:09 pm

Why don’t all you people who hate Dixon just go root for Kentucky? You guys complain on and on about how horrible 20 win seasons are cause we don’t go far enough in the tournament. You’d save yourself a lot of grief and stress.

By the way when the heck is Pitt going to play a team that is falling apart in March? All Pitt does is play teams that are hot in March.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:12 pm

12-6 in the Big East doesn’t sound bad.

However, breaking it down, who’d we beat???

No one really.

Syracuse once. Without their star player.

Georgetown, when their team was in total discombobulation. We were the catalyst that changed their season.

That’s it, if you wanna hang your hat on that.

Slightly better than mediocre on pure record alone I suppose.

Especially with the Big East having a so-so year in general, don’t dig too deep in all of the Pitt wins.

Not bad, but don’t over sell it.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:12 pm

I haven’t seen anyone say they hate Dixon.

Not one.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:13 pm

Keith you know why Pitt hasn’t knocked off a higher team? Cause they never play higher teams because they are always seeded high cause of good regular seasons. If only Pitt was shitty in the regular season to end up a 10 seed every year.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:17 pm

I’m able to read the posts it’s clear a lot hate the idea as Dixon as head coach.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:19 pm

Wardapalooza…..great argument….your makeing a stronger case that Pitt is terrible when it counts..it still doesn’t change that they have never beaten a lower higher sedd than them

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:21 pm

You can always count on Gonzaga, Georgetown, and Pitt to crap the bed.

Comment by BATR 03.23.13 @ 10:22 pm

@Ward, ok, as coach, I’ll give you that. As far as a person, a family guy, and as a member of the community, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like him nor have I ever seen anyone post anything negative about him non basketall related.

I was hoping we weren’t debating that.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:24 pm

Dan, then we shouldn’t expect to much in the Tourney. If we were just so so why is everyone apoplectic about one more bad game.

This was a rebound year after one really bad year.

And Dan, I’m pretty sure PO’d hates Dixon and probably Pitt in general. And maybe Upittbaseball and I’m willing to give Jackagain the benefit of the doubt. Although Upitt has great taste in women. I think Emel could go either way but has a great sense of humor. And from what he says a pretty good night life.

Besides, anyone that doesn’t have a love/hate relationship with Pitt needs to see a shrink.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 10:28 pm

Wichita State is a terrific defensive team. They hit a lot big 3 point shots againt Gonzaga. I think the Shockers’ defensive quickness and their outside shooting was the difference. They’re a lot better team than they are given credit for.

Comment by Justinian 03.23.13 @ 10:28 pm

We’ve only had two opportunities to beat higher seeds in the howland/dixon era….okl st. and ucla…both loses….all other loses we’ve been “UPSET”….

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:30 pm

dixon in ,idiots please sign off , excellent move by pitt to stabilize move to acc,loook at the shooting of the teams winning,haters like to hate, 10 years isgreat, but there is always away out,blow it out your ass if you think it is abad move,want alittle ralph willard crying in the elevator at the big east every year, what a$$holes

Comment by paul shannon 03.23.13 @ 10:31 pm

paul, tell us what you really think, how’s knish?

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 10:33 pm

I think Chas is afraid to weigh in on this mess.

C’mon Reed please put us out of our misery with a football thread.

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 10:35 pm

Hey Warda – ten more years of crapping out in the first or second round of the tourney, if we even make it that far. And worse than that – not even showing up for teams like that perennial powerhouse, Wichita State. And running kids off of the team so we can make way for scholarships. And letting kids stay on the team after they have an “altercation” with law enforcement.

Man, you have some lofty ideals for your head coach. See me next year, when we are dueling with Wake Forest for the bottom of the ACC.

Thank god we stumbled on to Paul Chryst. At least we might go .500 in football.

Comment by Really PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 10:35 pm

Yeah I didn’t mean person at all. Sorry for being vague.

Keith when has Pitt played a higher seed? Only two I remember are UCLA that was a 2 in the Sweet 16 and a game that I went to Pitt against OK St that was a 2 seed in the Sweet 16. Notice two losses to really good teams that went to the Final Four. I’m sure if Pitt had more opportunities in last 10 years they would have.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.23.13 @ 10:36 pm

@gc. That’s very fair, and I didn’t.

I don’t know how in the world to ever prove that to you, other than, I didn’t post much on here this week, and I haven’t posted that much on this thread.

I didn’t want to get bombed by saying this wasn’t a great team.

At least compared to our 03-09 teams.

I watched a lot of those teams, and KNEW they were going to win.

I’ve watched this years team and found myself HOPING that they would win.

Somethings different the past couple years. Talent?? Missing Rohrsen and the other fella (can’t think of his name), but, missing some good a.c. recruiters??

I don’t claim to have the answer, hopefully we can get it back.

Watch, I’ll get bombed for giving my opinion. I’m a hater, not a real Pitt fan, etc. etc.

Sorry, that’s what I saw this year.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:36 pm

yikes….where were all of the JD lovers the past couple of days??…I think it is very healthy that some of us want more for Pitt basketball…yeah it’s great that JD is a great guy….but his brand of bball is borring and outdated…you guys that support him must have a very high tolarance for pain…..i don’t

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:37 pm

Yes, we made the tournament, and that is a very good turn around. That is a positive.

I’m just comparing the past couple teams in my mind, to the teams in the 2000’s.

I’m not even talking about March. The teams in general.

So, I’m actually not ripping on Dixon. I think he had some fantastic teams, great teams that were fun to watch.

I just see a difference the past two years.

Too me, in my opinion.

Comment by Dan 03.23.13 @ 10:39 pm

And Paul – I hear that your 3 Stooges film is the replay of the Wichita State game.

Comment by Really PO'd Panther 03.23.13 @ 10:41 pm

Warda…forget it….they would have had many opportuinities….but they lose to shitty teams…your argument is weak…just like JD’s tournament resume

Comment by Keith 03.23.13 @ 10:41 pm

@gc…don’t give UPittbaseball credit for having great taste in women. I mean, come on, what hetero man wouldn’t think she is hot? I gotta say, that was a ridiculous statement.

Comment by panther94 03.23.13 @ 11:02 pm

Dixon is a great guy. I haven’t read any comments to the contrary. But Pederson has once again taken the easiest way out. After all, finding head coaches is hard work and he just isn’t very good at it. Signing Dixon to what..a ten year deal..before beginning ACC play is a comfortable move for the Pitt athletic department. It’s a divisive move to those fans who believe Dixon’s resume at Pitt has already topped out. Why should Pederson or Dixon care? The Peterson Events Center will sell out again next season as it always does.

Comment by TonyinHouston 03.23.13 @ 11:02 pm

So to sum it up, based in years of reading this blog, Pitt fans hate the following people the most: Our head FB coach; Our starting QB; Our head BB coach; Our starting point guard; Our University President; and above all Our AD. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by HbgFrank 03.23.13 @ 11:14 pm

At this point it is what it is. Those of us who like HCJD are pleased that he will be Pitt’s bb coach for the foreseeable future (or until he decides he wants to leave). Those of you who want anyone but JD are entitled to feel that way. All I ask is that you keep an open mind and continue to support the team. After all, they still represent Pitt.

I am confident HCJD will learn and adapt. I am confident Pitt will be successful in the ACC. I am confident that Pitt will, sooner rather than later, make the final 4. I am confident that Pitt will, within the term of HCJD’s contract, compete for a national championship.

However, if I’m wrong, count on seeing me here admitting same.

HTP!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.23.13 @ 11:20 pm

Good one Hbg, lol

94, I was giving credit for posting the picture.

Besides, isn’t that the way to select a coach?

Comment by gc 03.23.13 @ 11:20 pm

Ben How land fired at UCLA. Wonder if Dixon regrets signing this morning?

Comment by MikePitt 03.23.13 @ 11:59 pm

Panther94 – Shove it up your ass.. I have great taste in woman….LOL….GC good call. This whole thing is so crazy. Does anyone still man this blog. haha…May as well get to 1000 posts… By the way I said the Big East was getting smoked before the additional 4 teams lost and someone said I was crazy. 12-6 in that conf with the lack of good teams is so so in my book.

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 1:40 am

well what does 10 years and 3 final fours get you at UCLA?…….it gets you fired…what does 10 and ZERO final fours get you at PITT?…a contract extention…..moral of story
UCLA= HIGH EXPECTATIONS
PITT= CONTENT

Comment by Keith 03.24.13 @ 2:43 am

Just woke up

Had this strange dream, that Pitt was still alive and headed to the Sweet 16 in Los Angeles having just knocked off #1 seed Gonzaga.

And that Jaime got a 10 year contract extension.

Must have been that Chianti we were drinking last nite at Villa Antonio’s.

Going back to bed, my back is killing me !

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 5:28 am

Listen, I am as discontented as anyone with what went down the other day. And I do believe that we could hire a better coach, or at least one who can recruit better players. However, keeping a coach who has won as much as this coach has and obviously wants to be here is not a bad thing. If nothing else, the best chance of success in the near term, and maybe the only chance, is the return of Adams.

This offseason should tell us something about if Dixon is committed to change. Will he hire smeone who can upgrade the recruiting efforts? What does he do about the lack off frontcourt depth?

Comment by wbb 03.24.13 @ 6:59 am

i like the shove it up your ass,fuck dixon group,bunch of frickin pussy cry baby basketballfans, want evans back or willard we have heard your shit for ten years and are tired of it,now i have to go to mass and confession,on palm sunday,hey u of pitt tball why not yell give us barabus

Comment by paul shannon 03.24.13 @ 7:06 am

Problem this year was: 1. Patterson regressed from last year and really didn’t contribute as anyone expected he could based on his prior year’s progression. 2. Zanna is soft-minded and has only shown dominance against weak competition. Improved over last year but never really broke through. 3. TW was given this team to lead and his shoulders weren’t big enough to carry. I question his basketball IQ ever since the post-game “selfish” mantra. 4. Taylor, the other senior, although a great kid, wasn’t a 5 star McD All American ever. 5. JJ regressed offensively AND never had much defensively. 6. JRob and SAdams are very good frosh who may become great, but that is no guarantee. 7. Cam(defensively/energy), Dur(shooting), and TZ(not sure) are bit players who were OVERUSED.

How much of the above is Jamie’s fault for their not developing? Some. How much of it is his fault for misusing their playing time? All!! Does he really get the most out of players? Regular season yes, post-season NO WAY.

Should he have gotten an extension to 10 years? I don’t think so, but did we have any chance to replace him with someone better? Who? My only confident choice would be Brad Stevens.

We’ll see how the next 2 or 3 years go with the transition to the ACC. This will prove his worth, or not. If not, then 10 years wasn’t smart.

Comment by TVax 03.24.13 @ 7:16 am

And I as much as anyone, really appreciate the last 10 years of GREAT PITT HOOPS. Hoping and maybe praying on this Palm Sunday for 3 more years of Adams. Would be very happy with him leaving early though, after he takes us to a NC.

Comment by TVax 03.24.13 @ 7:23 am

If I were JJ, Wright or Johnson, I would be spending 4 hours a day dribbling a basketball, I would dribble to all my classes. The one that learns to drive to the hoop through traffic and make a layup is going to be the most valuable guy on the team.

Did you see Peyton Siva yesterday?

If I were JR or Patterson, I would spend my time with Adams and Zanna doing the pick and role all day. I would be able to do it in my sleep, dunks and layups are much more dependable than 3’s. Live by the three die by the three.

It’s going to take more than Adams alone next year. Let’s hope the seniors show some dedication to upping their games.

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 8:04 am

@ Emel, Holy $hit you wake up early!!! You must have magically tranformed yourself into a Wichita State Fan during the night, dreamin like that. BTW, maybe Pitt didn’t get spanked by such a scrub team after all in the first round?

No wonder your back hurts, you carried around the Pitt BB team on it for for over a week while they struggled through the BE and NCAA tournaments. LOL.

Go Wichita State! On to the Final Four! If you can’t beat them, join them, I say!

Comment by Dr. Tom 03.24.13 @ 8:51 am

Over 800 posts over the last several days but not a single new post following the game? Maybe this loss was so bad it forced the authors into hiding.

Comment by Get the Glory 03.24.13 @ 9:30 am

@GC
You met my son….yesterday after basketball practice; you know, the one in which he learned that passing at the 10 year old level is a mortal sin and unless he can dribble and rebound, he will never see the ball, we went to the gym.
At the gym, it is reqally tempting to launch 3’s, try crazy stuff, etc….
Well, there is a young girl who shows up in the early afternoon; she is dressed in baketball jersey, ponytail. etc…
We have seen her before. She is a couple years older than my boy. So I ask her if she will work with my son on some dribbling, etc…she said yes.
So I scram, leaving my son no choice but to swallow his pride (a girl!!) and bring his game, not his name.
Your suggestion that JJ, Cam and Johnson live their lives to the tune of “basketball jones” is dead spot on. But it takes committment and checking your ego at the door. anyone can work on things they do well.
that was the point with my son. I left the two to their own devices and left. 20 minutes later the two were friends and my son got some technique under his belt.
Maybe JJ, Cam and Johnson can head down to the Palumbo center and work with Suzy M.

Comment by sfpitt 03.24.13 @ 9:42 am

SF, couldn’t hurt

Comment by gc 03.24.13 @ 9:45 am

nice summary TVax. Say a little prayer at Mass that Mike Young is as good as advertised and can start at the 4 next season and that Chris Jones at 6’6″ can shoot as reported and can take over the 2 spot. Hey, its a prayer, not a prediction. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 03.24.13 @ 9:54 am

Schizophrenia running rampant in Pantherland…all is well with the world…

mediocre all season in a weak conference…how could we be so mediocre and lose in the tournament?…fire the coach!

Glad to see JD is staying…10 year extension…so what?…he can probably still leave at any time but it does show Pitt’s commitment to the program and to what he has done for the schooL…I agree with Chris dokish in that he is the best coach we could get and have going into the ACC next year and is great news for the program…

I have always thought that winning your conference and conference tournament should be the primary goals of any college program because they are realistically attainable goals…something that JD has done with some regularity in his tenure at Pitt, actually the best of any Pitt coach ever and the one of the best in the BE over the last 10 years…

while the NCAA tournament on the other hand is a crap shoot…that is why so few teams have ever won it all (only 19 in the last 35 years and only 35 since the tournament began)…so to soley judge whether a coach is successful or not by how they do in the tournament is shortsighed and ludicrous IMHO…

I think that this year’s team overachieved…and has been mentioned, who on this blog had them winning more than 1 game at best in the tourney?

The prevailing thought among many here is that Pitt will bomb in the ACC becuase they will not adapt to the ACC style of play, more finese than physical…i for one think that within the next 3 to 4 years, the style of play in the ACC is going to become more physical…with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville and ND the Big East style of play is going have a major influence on the league…just look at Miami; they play a physical style much more akin to the BE than the ACC…

I do agree that changes have to be made…I do not think that the current batch of assistants have served Pitt well over the last couple of years…they miss a strong recruiter like Roherson…I also think that he needs to recruit more shooters…and open up the offense more…

So lets wait to see what happens…I like so few on here look forward to next season and see only better things ahead for Pitt Basketball in the ACC…

HTP

Comment by Leaseman 03.24.13 @ 10:10 am

Wichita better than we thought but no excuse for how bad Pitt played. Adams key next year but offense needs to improve greatly overall. New recruits seem happy Dixon staying.

Comment by Frank MD 03.24.13 @ 11:02 am

Pitt recruiting now is the best it’s been. Just look at the offers that Mike Young and Josh Newkirk have from big time schools like Arizona and Indiana. If they get Jon Severe, Mr. NY basketball who just scored 40 in NY semi-finals, then I like the class a lot. Last years class was awesome with Adams, Robinson and Chris Jones, who some say is going to be awesome. The 2011 class was good recruiting wise but flamed out for other reasons. The 2010 class is the last ehh recruiting class.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.24.13 @ 11:26 am

we need a new post maybe that was chas who jumped from the 6 street bridge after the game.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 11:29 am

Could it be that the reason JD got the extension instead of the boot is that SP did not want to take the same coaching journey for BB as we have recently taken for FB?

Comment by HbgFrank 03.24.13 @ 11:30 am

Fankcan, Chas is alive and well on twitter. Maybe he is just letting all the dust settle in this post.

Comment by Wardapalooza 03.24.13 @ 11:36 am

I hope JD is on the road Monday morning looking to fill those two scholarships with a couple of players that can actually shoot and beat you off the dribble. Amazing how coach doesn’t look as smart when talent level goes down. I would rather find kid’s that are good shooters and teach them to play defense than the other way around. I did get a laugh when Charles Barkley was told Dixon got a extension. “Didn’t he lose”? “What would they have done if he had won”? Give him a extension until 2050?

Comment by Wayne 03.24.13 @ 11:37 am

UPittbaseball, do you know anything about Pitt’s baseball team? Specifically, how does Cost field compare to other fields in the ACC?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 03.24.13 @ 11:41 am

Anyone catch Barkley commenting on the Kansas game? Kept referring to Withey as Whitey, at one point asked if he was pronouncing it right.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 03.24.13 @ 11:45 am

Anyone catch Barkley commenting on the Kansas game? Kept referring to Withey as Whitey, at one point asked if he was pronouncing it right.
Comment by marcus of schaumburg

Barkley can be an idiot, but he is funny. That could be said of me, except for the funny part.

Seems like he lives as if he came from nothing, enjoys life, and will leave with nothing and no regrets.

Comment by TVax 03.24.13 @ 11:53 am

Marcus….. I played at Trees Field. LOL.. Can’t tell you how many of the players from Notre Dame, UCONN, WVU that said their hi school fields were nicer. Haha… The new field is nice for what we are used to in the north but to be honest it is a below average stadium when comparing to ACC. I travel and recruit out of many SEC schools and they have awesome stadiums but the ACC is probably the best baseball conferance and the stadiums are really nice. On par with some double AA stadiums….we just took 2 of the first 3 against St. John’s…

Comment by Upittbaseball 03.24.13 @ 12:07 pm

players that can shoot.
that is not a easy thing after last year and being one and done this year they wont be standing in line to come to pitt.
i hope he gets one or two my self but it is not like you go to k mart and pick them off a shelf.

75 percent of the kids have all ready signed
for this year and for the rest we are not on top of the list.

Comment by FRANKCAN 03.24.13 @ 12:16 pm

Congrats to JD for the well deserved contract extension! Fitting for his efforts in a region known for football and nearly devoid of D1 men’s Bball talent. For evidence check men’s Bball down the road @ the gates of he11, the State Penn! Their goal would be just to make the CBI someday. Hail to Pitt for all that institution of higher learning does in the community, nationally and in the world. (Why Pitt exists) Good luck to all those young students, men and women who proudly represent the Panthers in intercollegiate sports! UPone

Comment by UPone 03.24.13 @ 12:28 pm

Most commented post ever?

Comment by Timmeh 03.24.13 @ 12:45 pm

@everyone
Sandusky state won the NCAA wrestling title for the 3rd straight year.
EWL stopped being relevant a decade ago.

Comment by SFPitt 03.24.13 @ 2:42 pm

@Hbg Frank
Only a Pitt hater wants Cyanide Steve to conduct a coaching search.
The only reason I am happy for the extension is that it doesn’t force Cyanide out of the office.

Comment by SFPitt 03.24.13 @ 2:47 pm

Has anyone checked the police blotter for
spiritofsection22??????

Comment by Dan 03.24.13 @ 3:16 pm

lol Dan-o

Yep he sure did disappear. Maybe someone should call the Penn Monroe.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 6:46 pm

Had IU & Ohio Fake played anywhere but their backyward, they both would have lost to TEmple & Iowa State.

This POD system is a utter joke.

If the NCAA is going to let them play virtually “home games” the penalty should be they have to play in the same region.

Same thing with Mich & Mich State playing at home at Auburn Hills. And L-Ville playing in KY.

Comment by EMel 03.24.13 @ 6:49 pm

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