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December 10, 2016

2:30 PM on CBS Sports Network (hope you can find it).

Jamie Dixon looms over this game more than I want.

I’ve been doing my best to stay off that topic for a few reasons. I’d rather just focus on the season when there are actual games taking place. It’s not fair to the team and Kevin Stallings. I’m trying to give Kevin Stallings a chance to do things his way and not let too many biases influence how I see it. Constantly harping on what I think Dixon would have done. Or projecting comparisons is just not going to do any good. It’s a very polarizing topic, especially when it comes down to the players on the Pitt roster and talent. It very much has a Walt Harris-Dave Wannstedt vibe to it. Only without the hometown bias Wannstedt enjoyed.

But today. For this game. The topic is rearing its head.

First and foremost, the opponent is Penn State and they play a very young group. A very highly touted group of freshmen. Penn State Coach Pat Chambers has recruited hard in Philadelphia since arriving at State College (note, Chambers is a Philly native and had been Villanova Coach Jay Wright’s top assistant for a number of years before he was hired at Boston University). It truly paid off with the 2016 class.

A class that includes Tony Carr and Lamar Stevens. Two players Pitt and Jamie Dixon hoped to land. Both players, along with a few others on that roster came from a loaded Roman Catholic program — the same school that yielded Brad Wanamaker. That they went to Penn State was big, and seeing PSU getting nationally ranked for recruiting while Pitt’s efforts were floundering was a big negative for many against Dixon. It is something that just can’t be ignored.

Another factor is the Penn State team angsting over their big fundamental weakness: rebounding.

The Nittany Lions are focused on their performance on the boards heading into the matchup with the Panthers.

Penn State has been outrebounded in seven of its first 10 games.

“It’s got to become a habit,” Penn State coach Patrick Chambers said on his teleconference Thursday. “And it’s not a habit right now because you have young guys who are very talented and very gifted and they were never asked to do that through their high school careers because of their talent and how tall they are and their athleticism.”

The Nittany Lions didn’t get enough from its backcourt in the loss to George Mason, while a pair of guards spearheaded the Patriots’ effort.

6-foot-2 guard Marquise Moore, who came into the game averaging 10.0 rebounds, pulled down 13 rebounds, and 6-foot-4 guard Justin Kier finished with 11 rebounds.

For the Nittany Lions, guards Tony Carr, Shep Garner, Terrence Samuel and Josh Reaves combined for 11 rebounds.

PSU was outrebounded by 15 by George Mason. Part of it is not just the effort, it is — and like Pitt — they don’t really have a big size presence inside. Let’s face it, under Dixon we know Pitt would be in position to take advantage of this — regardless of the defense used.

That will probably be something of a wash today. Not because Stallings doesn’t care about rebounds — he does, like every sane coach — but because he has accepted more of Pitt’s defensive shortcomings and is predominantly having this team go zone.

The zone — especially against a younger team like Penn State — should be effective defensively. Tempting them to take more outside shots, and not being patient working it inside. Also, this Penn State team — and stop me if you have heard this before about nearly every program it seems — wants to go at a faster offensive pace. The zone will slow them down a bit.

[Brief aside, since I have taken shots about Stallings planning on being more up-tempo only to have a tempo ranked in the 200s. That has as much to do with the zone defense as anything. If you play zone, you are going to slow the game down. You are trying to minimize drives to the hoop. Make it harder for teams to go inside, unless they are willing to work for it. Not looking to force turnovers. It is a more passive defense that forces patience.]

Penn State has a top-50 adjusted tempo offense, but it is not at all efficient. Of course, they were able to beat Duquesne, so nothing should be taken for granted.

Finally, Dixon’s presence is in this game because Coach Stallings brought it up in talking about how things are going to this point.

“My way is not better than Jamie Dixon’s way,” Stallings said. “It’s just different.”

And as Pitt (7-2) prepares for the 10th game of the Stallings era Saturday in Newark, N.J., against Penn State (6-4), players and coach still are trying to get accustomed to each other.

“Part of it took place real quickly,” Stallings said. “Part of it is probably still ongoing. We’re not all the way there yet.

“I’m expecting some things out of them that they’re not used to having those kind of expectations placed upon them.

“Anytime there is a coaching change, there are going to be differences in philosophy. They’re still trying to get used to some of the things that I expect, I think.

“Conversely, I’m at least learning — I don’t know if I’m getting used to — some of the ways that they are inherently. Some of those things are great and some of those things, I think, need some modification.”

The players, publicly, have been very supportive of Stallings. The biggest thing seems to be that they find him more approachable than Dixon. Which is part of the different coaching philosophy. Stallings is more of a Roy Williams  disciple. Which has the head coach more personally connected to the players.

Dixon is more along the Howland lines. The head coach is the guy handling the on-the-court stuff. The assistants deal with other things including being the good cop when the head coach is the bad cop.

Losing to Duquesne probably didn’t help. A very basic thing that anyone could toss in an argument over Stallings — “Dixon never lost to Duquesne.” Lacks a good rebuttal. Which is why this game is very important for Stallings. Dixon never lost to Penn State, either. And with the likelihood of this series resuming, this game takes on added pressure.

Both Pitt athletic director Scott Barnes and Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour are hopeful, though, that a stable series can materialize, with the latter noting she is “very optimistic” about a deal getting done at some point.

“Scott and I have had a couple of conversations, primarily revolving around football, but we did bring up basketball and I think we both said ‘Yeah, we’d like to play. That would be great,’ ” Barbour said. “That conversation took place, I believe, when Jamie Dixon was the head coach at Pitt. I don’t know what [Pitt] coach [Kevin] Stallings’ view is on it, but I know what [Penn State coach] Pat Chambers’ view on it is. It’s ‘Yeah, let’s do it.’ ”

Um, yeah. She knows full well that Dixon had been a proponent of playing it regularly. DeChellis and then Chambers in his first few years wanted nothing to do with this game.

AD Barnes seems up for it, though Stallings is hedging. Or at least understanding that having multiple rivalry games in the non-con is a quick way to major fan dissatisfaction in a down year.

“I just don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t be doing that,” Barnes said of playing Penn State. “They’re getting better. The RPI component of this is good for the both of us, with a Big Ten and ACC schedule. I think it would be a good thing to do. We’ll certainly extend that offer to do that, a home and home.”

“I’m indifferent, honestly,” Stallings said. “I just want to have a good schedule. You can’t schedule every rival team you have when you have league games. We’re going to be going to 20 league games at some point. I’m glad we’re playing this game. I think it’s a great opportunity for us and them, that’s for a great cause, obviously. If it would make sense for us to do something long-term, we would certainly look at that.”

It would be nice to tie the basketball agreement to the football side, but that just isn’t how college athletic departments are willing to do things.





Chas, it’s really easy though. You give Dixon no credit when Pitt wins and you give him all of the blame for some really poor recruiting, especially since the move to the ACC, when they lose. Stallings also gets a pass on the lack of depth because Dixon recruited and then failed to develop Milligan and Wilson. Stallings has only been on the job for a little over 8 months. He can’t be expected to work miracles with Milligan, Wilson and Kithcart.

Stallings also is not responsible for shot selection, unwillingness to work the ball inside, general lack of focus/intensity/discipline, or commitment to defense. Dixon allowed that to occur and flourish under his leadership. Stallings can’t be expected to turn that back.

Stallings needs two to three years to recruit his guys. If he fails then it’s still on Dixon because the decline started under his leadership.

I’d like to see Pitt plays all the proximal teams (PSU, WVU, RMU and Duquesne) every year just like Nova does in Philly. Heck throw in Akron and Youngstown State and make a tournament of it.

Comment by Barvo 12.10.16 @ 11:46 am

Why is it so difficult to recruit 4 and 5 star players at Pitt? This program can be turned around fast with better players. Plenty of good players from Philly, DC and NYC. Why do we have to settle for stiffs?

Comment by TX Panther 12.10.16 @ 12:13 pm

Looks like their freshmen hit the wall vs George Mason.

Comment by alcofan 12.10.16 @ 12:16 pm

No one is above criticism. It is undeniable that Dixon would do a better job with this team. Why? Because he is a better coach than Stalllings. Because he has accomplished more in his career than Stallings has in his. In a much more difficult conference throughout his time at Pitt. Dixon needed to adjust in the last few years. I believe his track record warranted time to adjust. Not to be unceremoniously pushed out of the door while Barnes conducted a ham handed, out of his depth coaching search that yielded Kevin Stallings. You think Pitt can do better than Dixon that’s fine but you better hire someone better than kevin Stallings. Dixon could have and would have been a one program coach. Someone the greater Pitt community could always be proud to call the Pitt men’s basketball coach. For all the heat Dixon was taking for recruiting at Pitt he is already recruiting really well at noted basketball powerhouse TCU. All that said, that ship has sailed. Looking forward Stallings has to go and the sooner the better and Barnes can go with him. I don’t understand those that say Pitt can”t do better than Barnes. What has he done? He didn’t hire Narduzzi and he badly botched the men’s basketball hire. What else does an AD hang his hat on other than hires? I root for and fell for the players. As an alum I’m very disappointed in the program right now. The apathy at the Pete tells me I’m far from the only one. These are key moments in programs during transition. Pitt isn’t a program that can afford to get it wrong. The momentum of the past 15 years should not have been wasted. #H2Palways

Comment by Will 12.10.16 @ 12:49 pm

LOL Barvo. I miss Jamie. Granted, it was time. But I still miss him.

Comment by wally 12.10.16 @ 1:29 pm

Connor declares for the nfl draft.

Comment by alcofan 12.10.16 @ 2:14 pm

Dixon lost Philly with the Khem Birch-Jaylen Bond debacle. Losing Bond wasn’t necessarily bad, but it ticked off all the Philly coaches & ruined Pitt in what was a fertile recruiting ground.

Comment by Nick 12.10.16 @ 2:37 pm

Looks like they care about this game….

Game link:

link to cdn.livetvcdn.net

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 2:42 pm

Rebound jeter

Comment by Alcofan 12.10.16 @ 2:47 pm

Dixon got the can because the last couple years before he left he was being vastly out-recruited by Penn ST. Think about that and let it sink in….

link to scout.com

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 2:54 pm

Jackagain … thanks so much for the link ( I think). Shopping w wife but got it thanks to you.

Comment by Dan 72 12.10.16 @ 2:58 pm

Oh….I thought you meant the Scout link 😉

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 3:01 pm

MY boy Kithcart getting some good minutes. He is the key to success in ACC play. Needs to get going.

Comment by Dan 72 12.10.16 @ 3:04 pm

For those haven’t yet heard, James Conner declares for 2017 NFL draft.

link to pittsburghsportsnow.com

Comment by Justinian 12.10.16 @ 3:14 pm

Pitt commit Paris Ford and Steel Valley defeat Southern Columbia in the state championship 49-7

Comment by alcofan 12.10.16 @ 3:26 pm

Jack… Point well made.

However, it might take another year or two to fully sink in for some.

The SUGAR HIGH of Kool-Aid can leave some lingering effects.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 3:36 pm

Soon Stalling’s feet will be put to the fire if he can’t out recruit them. However, the pedos have to be paying these kids or something to get a top 10 recruiting class to come to the loser cow town….

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 3:50 pm

Fully expect recruiting to go just fine.

If you were a D-1 Prospect coming out of High School, who would you rather play for… Jamie or Stallings?

Seems pretty simple to me.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 4:06 pm

Now as to Conner going Pro… that was also pretty easy to figure.

What’s not so easy is just how well Pitt’s Offense will go without him.

Hopefully an incoming Back will have an impact. Except for Ollison, don’t see anyone on the current roster picking up the slack.

What a lot of People aren’t recognizing is just how MUCH Conner helped Canada’s Offense GO. Defenses totally keyed on him… and Canada wisely used that to his advantage.

HUGE VACUUM next year without Conner… in more ways than one.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 4:11 pm

Second half swoon becoming a thing

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 4:14 pm

POD, we were (are) about 50-50 run & pass. Next season we might have to pass more. Looks like we might get that USC transfer.

Meanwhile the wheels are coming off the pedo game…

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 4:16 pm

Wheels completely off. Pitt up 4. 1:51 left

Comment by Dan 72 12.10.16 @ 4:25 pm

Artis…wow…out of control…

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 4:28 pm

Not watching Pitt Penn State.

Just getting score updates. Right now, looks like wheels back on… for GOOD.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 4:31 pm

Always nice to beat Penn State.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 4:35 pm

PSU going to be good starting next year. May make the dance this year.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 4:38 pm

Nice win we owned them this year in basketball and football

Comment by WLAT 910 radio and the big beat! 12.10.16 @ 4:39 pm

I’d rather lose to Duquesne than the pedos…but this team has no killer instinct. Got out played again in the 2nd half by an inferior team.

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 4:39 pm

POD, losing Conner is huge, compounded by losing their QB.

Offense won’t be anywhere close to this year.

Not sure the defense will be any better either.

But with college ball you never know who will step up.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 4:44 pm

Like I said earlier today, when the shots are dropping Pitt is good, when they stop dropping, not so much.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 4:47 pm

Since I saw neither, guessing this Penn State Team MORE talented than Duquesne.

If true… shows how VITAL it is having Artis at Point on this Team with all of its limitations.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 4:53 pm

Wonder if playing only 7 guys and more uptempo is causing the second half swoon?

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 4:54 pm

No doubt the PSU team has great young players.

Artis is the glue guy. This is a two man team, much like Patterson/Zanna. Johnson is getting better and Jones and Jeter played well at times. Kithcart with his best minutes so far.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 5:00 pm

Luther seems to be having the most difficulty with the new system.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 5:02 pm

Going to need more minutes from Manigault to keep the starters fresh.

Comment by gc 12.10.16 @ 5:03 pm

So we scored 42 in the first half and 39 in the second? Really? 42-39?

Comment by cnorwoodaz 12.10.16 @ 5:03 pm

Jackagain… ended up at the mall watching last 4 minutes w 2 Pitt fans (had my Pitt stuff on) and 2 Pedo fans. Nice guys. They bought beers afterward. THanks again for the link.

Someone on here said it best, when shots are dropping Pitt is very tough… when they’re not, Pitt cannot beat Duquesne!

Gals got crushed by the Ped women. Long way to go with that program but Susie has them on the right track!

Comment by Dan 72 12.10.16 @ 5:09 pm

Pitt’s talking to this guy….a 5 star QB from USC. Maybe he and Clark will help the O. He’s on record that he loves Canada’s O. He said he’ll let everyone know in January.

link to youtube.com

link to youtube.com

He’s in town right now.

link to pittsburghsportsnow.com

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 5:12 pm

Anytime Dan…

Comment by Jackagain 12.10.16 @ 5:14 pm

Bench depth.

Rebounding in second half.

That’s it no more need be said.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 12.10.16 @ 5:20 pm

We can’t close things out because we don’t have a point guard.

Comment by alcofan 12.10.16 @ 5:27 pm

When Artis plays… they beat Duquesne.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 6:00 pm

Guess Robinson wasn’t a Point Guard either

Comment by PittofDreams 12.10.16 @ 6:01 pm

Beaver Falls 30, Middletown 13 in the division 3 state championship.

Comment by alcofan 12.10.16 @ 6:04 pm

Can’t believe Carr and Stevens chose Penn State … presumably it was a JD thing. I’d expect both would have chosen Pitt if Stallings was already in place. In any case, neither really impressed me today. H2P!

Comment by Tomas 12.10.16 @ 6:30 pm

Alright great victory today over the Pedo’s.

Jeter made the big 3 from the corner when the Pedo’s were making a late run. After all the misses(2 for 9), the kid has a lot of guts to throw one up, but he obviously believes in his shot.

Jeter was a presence underneath with 5 blocked shots and 10 rebounds, and he made the big shot, when we needed it.

Pitt had 13 offensive rebounds today, huge difference from the last several games, Stallings must read the Blather. lol

Pitt only shot 42% and still won, so that is encourging, the O-rebounds helped immensely.

The lack of a bench is probably why this team can’t hold big leads. So that is going to be a problem against better teams, to bad that Crishawn Clark kid got hurt, he probably would have helped off the bench.

We are Pedo State (and we still suck in bball)

Comment by Emel 12.10.16 @ 7:13 pm

Stallings main objective now should be, in these upcoming rent-a-win games over the next 2.5 weeks, is too try and develop 1 or 2 more players off the bench in addition to Lumberjack Luther.

They can’t be developed by playing them all together, you need to put 1 or 2 in with the starters. Run some plays for them, to get them some easy baskets.

Interesting cnorwood.

Comment by Emel 12.10.16 @ 7:22 pm

Jacksagain, Yes this is the graduate transfer QB that I wrote about a few days ago. With all the hubub earlier about Malik Zaire, this flew under the radar. It’s a big recruiting weekend and hopefully they will get some of guys they want.

Comment by Justinian 12.10.16 @ 8:08 pm

Central Catholic getting crushed by a Jerome Bettis type philly running back going to Georgia. 28-0 third quarter.

Comment by alcofan 12.10.16 @ 10:09 pm

I find it hard to watch these large leads dwindle away and never see a time out to slow things down and perhaps chew a few butts. I find myself thinking if they score again he surely will call a TO then after 5 more points are lost still nothing.
I like that there is not a micro-management of the game, but some involvement might be appropriait.

Comment by Jimbo 12.10.16 @ 11:03 pm

@ PoD, etc. Never changes. Stars move on and whoa is me, Pitt fan attitude prevails. Last year the question was, “what will we ever do to fill the huge void left by Tyler Boyd”? Remember him?

Conner will be replaced but never forgotten. His fate in the NFL will depend on who drafts him. A team geared to the run game will be well advised to draft this guy. They have no idea of the heart that Conner has within him. Conner Strong!

Oh, & BTW, Conner’s replacement, Chawntez Moss, or maybe Ollison (again), or perhaps Sibley will be as good as his HUDL highlight video depicts, Darrin Hall just might have his own opinion on this subject. The issue that is a valid concern is who replaces Nate Peterman. His contributions to this team’s success this season have been under appreciated, IMO.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.11.16 @ 9:17 am

Conner will be missed but Pitt will be fine (on offense).

Comment by Brian 12.11.16 @ 9:24 am

Every year is different, and the offense should be OK, but don’t expect it to be anywhere as good as this year. This was an all time great year with an all time great running back and TD producer. A senior QB with a year of experience, a great offensive line, spectacular skill players. A four year star at tight end. With the exception of Ford, pretty much injury free.

Next year’s cupboard is certainly not bare, but appreciate what we have seen this year. While most spent time bitching about the defense, we had one of the most productive Pitt offenses of all time. Comparable to the Tony Dorsett, Dan Marino years.

Comment by gc 12.11.16 @ 11:08 am

The offense may not be record breaking but it will be fine. It will most likely be more TE based and power rushing oriented. The defense should also be better which should offset the dip in offensive proficiency. Moss, Sibley, Hall and Ollison leave the team solid at RB. Dokish has a good write up on his page which looks at how Pitt will look in the future at each position.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.11.16 @ 1:20 pm

For all the complaining about Pitt BB and I for one am a participant of the displeasure – we are 2-0 vs the B1G Joke conference.

At some point this season the pundits will annoint the B1G Joke as the best BB conference as they mistakenly did with FB.

Comment by Erie Express 12.11.16 @ 4:05 pm

The O should be fine. Some thought the loss of Boyd would set the offense back. Biggest key is the QB and line. Pitt has good RB depth. And the WR’s and TE’s are just fine. Again QB and line are the key. A QB can make any WR look good. A line can make any RB look good.

And the joke is on the B1G. I hope all those schools lose come playoff time starting with the Nitwits and then crying Harbaugh and then Ohio Fake. I’d actually like to see Potato Paulie win his.

Comment by TX Panther 12.11.16 @ 5:34 pm

TT we still have the speedsters in Henderson, Weah and FFrench, also Tipton and Flowers. Hope we have a guy that can pass.

Comment by gc 12.11.16 @ 5:36 pm

The combination of Weah and Henderson more than made up for Boyd’s production.

Comment by gc 12.11.16 @ 5:38 pm

Erie – don’t care for b1g FB, but I will be rooting hard for OSU to beat Clem’s Son. I’ll hate me some…
Of that clemscum!

Comment by Savannah Panther 12.11.16 @ 5:41 pm

Weah and Henderson combined for 2712 yds and 19 TD’s

In Boyd’s two best years he had 1782 Yds, 9 TDs and 1937 yds and 8 TDs.

Comment by gc 12.11.16 @ 5:52 pm

Comment by gc 12.11.16 @ 5:56 pm

I’m prayin for the former USC QB to come here. He reminds me of Savage but better.

Comment by TX Panther 12.11.16 @ 6:57 pm

Canada in group of 3 already vetted if Kiffin says no to LSU.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.11.16 @ 7:21 pm

I’m wondering how we are ever going to recruit a decent QB when we are showing a pattern of always looking to transfer in the next Russel Wilson at QB….Don’t our coaches get paid to develop the QBs we already have on our roster?

Comment by HbgFrank 12.11.16 @ 9:02 pm

Two Louisville football players shot. I didn’t think it was possible for a university to come close to Penn State in terms of deserving the death penalty, but between Pitino and Petrino they may just pull it off.

Comment by wally 12.11.16 @ 9:06 pm

I’m curious of how well the recruiting weekend went.

Comment by Justinian 12.11.16 @ 9:16 pm

WALLY WHAT? ..AMERICANS ARE TOO DUMB AND CRAZY TO OWN GUNS YA KNOW…BAN ALL GUNS USE FRIKIN CLUBS DUMBASSES

Comment by Boo Boo #1 12.11.16 @ 9:42 pm

Hg – we’re in a position to start a red shirt Freshman with one year starting in HS. A transfer in is the best thing for both McVittie and the team. A transfer is no different than bringing in a recruit. You have to foster competition.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.11.16 @ 9:42 pm

Tossing…I would be surprised if LSU hitches their wagon to a guy they’re not sure can recruit and hasn’t held a HC job.

Browne the QB said he’s waiting until January to make a decision. Very wise….

Comment by Jackagain 12.11.16 @ 11:10 pm

Jackagain – me too but he’s a legit candidate if Kiffin doesn’t go.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.11.16 @ 11:36 pm

Jackagain, LSU already has a new head coach in place, Ed Orgeron. The open job is Offensive Coordinator. He is very close friends with Lane Kiffin who is the guy they want. Hopefully Kiffen doesn’t get head coaching job and takes the OC position at LSU. The 2nd guy they like is Matt Canada. Other OC guys they are considering are Ee Sakisian who Orgeron has worked with before and Mark Helfrich the former head coach and OC at Oregon.

Comment by Justinian 12.12.16 @ 9:14 am

I know I know i am a knucklehead

Comment by Boo Boo #1 12.12.16 @ 9:12 pm

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