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June 6, 2016

Recruiting and QBs

Filed under: Football,Players,Recruiting — Reed @ 7:22 am

3* QB Kenny Pickett has become the latest Pitt recruiting verbal for the 2017 season.  He had previously committed to Temple University then got a better offer and took it.

From the Trib:

“Kenny Pickett of Oakhurst, N.J., on Saturday became the first quarterback in the Class of 2017 to verbally commit to Pitt.

A three-star recruit according to Rivals, Pickett is ranked No. 22 overall — and the No. 2 quarterback — in New Jersey. An announcement on a Twitter account bearing Pickett’s name confirmed the news. Pickett, who verbally committed to Temple earlier this spring, also has offers from Boston College, Buffalo and Connecticut.

Pickett (6-foot-3, 191 pounds) threw for 1,796 yards with 19 touchdowns and three interceptions last season. He is considered a dual-threat quarterback and ran for 336 yards and five touchdowns.”

Also Sunday’s Pitt camp brought us a verbal from unranked LB Cameron Bright out of Alabama.  Good for us and for them.

That starts to round things out for the future of QB here.  As it stands now if Pickett signs a Letter Of Intent (LOI) with Pitt in February then this is what we’ll have going into the future: For 2017 we’ll have, in order of seniority:  rsSO Ben DiNucci, rsSO Ryan Adzima (walk-on), rsSO Bo Schneider, rsFR? Thomas MacVitte and FR Kenny Pickett.

See why I have been harping about the need in the staff getting a decent upperclassman to transfer in at this position?  As it stands now we’ll have only rsSO Bo Schneider and rsSO Thomas MacVitte competing as the heir apparent starter.  Something to note with this is that even with Chad Voytik’s lofty ratings coming out of HS; 4*s, #4 QB nationally and #1 player in Tennessee, HC Paul Chryst didn’t feel he was ready to start as a rsSO.  So I wonder just how ready Schneider or MacVittie will be either.

If you wonder why I listed Schneider before MacVitte above its for this reason;  Schneider is a year more experienced at the college level, he had better college offers than MacVittie did and he was higher rated nationally coming out of HS overall than MacVittie was. (Schneider = 24th, 25th, 43rd   MacVittie = NR, 29th, 42nd).

The fact is that Schneider (6’4″ & 233) is bigger and just as strong armed as MacVittie  (6’4″ & 213) and can also run.  He played at a HS, Jesuit Dallas (TX), as big as MacVittie’s Moeller but in the football insane state of Texas.  Let’s don’t make the mistake that some fans did before Nate Peterman got to camp thinking that the staff was just getting depth at the position – Schneider is certainly here to compete for the starting job and has as good a chance as getting it as does MacVittie if MacVittie redshirts.

Offensive MVP

No question, it’s Dallas (Tex.) Jesuit three-star quarterback Bo Schneider, who torched defenses as a senior. He threw for 3,492 yards and 45 touchdowns, with just eight interceptions. In some games, he didn’t even play the second half. The 6-foot-4, 233-pounder was easily one of the best quarterbacks in the state this season.

The thing about Schneider’s high school is this: as of last season the Jesuit Dallas Rangers football program had a total of 22 graduates actively playing college football …. with 15 of those in D1 programs. Oh, and out of those 15 kids – 11 are in Power 5 schools (!).  Guys – there is no better credentials than that for a high school’s football resume.  Take a look at their 5,000 seat stadium:

Postell Stadium

Schneider was a star QB at star Texas prep school and had an amazing SR season.  So – I’m not going to say I told you so but will remind readers that I had the exact same feeling about Nate Peterman when he transferred in last summer that I do now with Bo Schneider – that he’s a serious contender for the starting job.

Because of that I’m not at all sure that MacVitte is a lock to be the starter in ’17.  The staff will have a full year to evaluate both these kids before they have to make a decision in fall camp.  And remember – even if MacVitte gets some playing time this season this staff has sat down starting QBs for other talent already.  We fans at Pitt know that when it comes to our football team nothing is etched in stone…

Here is another tidbit about McAlone.  Get this, he was the Chairman of the Jesuit Dallas American/African Outreach Society (AAOS).   Another good student/athlete to have on Pitt’s roster.

Kellen  McAlone

 Note – I have a two part series on the behind the scenes workings of the recruiting game that I’m just now finishing.  Part One will be Tuesday and Part Two on Wednesday.

 





You are amazing Reed. Thanks. Are you sure that you are writing that book?

H2P

Comment by pmdH2P 06.06.16 @ 7:59 am

I’m not sure anyone thinks MacVittie has a legit shot at starting (maybe I’m wrong, but I can’t remember any such comment), however I don’t agree with the logic that a frosh qb is unlikely to win a job based on a comparison with a the Voytik situation. Yes, Voytik was a 4 star (and a great kid), but in hindsight he was greatly overrated and never made it as a D1 qb. THis happens all the time, prospects being over or under rated, especially at the q

Comment by 1618mt 06.06.16 @ 8:03 am

…qb position.

Comment by 1618mt 06.06.16 @ 8:04 am

Manny Stocker? Or is he a Senior? Great podcast, love it on the deck with morning java.

Comment by rkb 06.06.16 @ 8:05 am

Schneider is 6’4, 233, and played for a Texas high school powerhouse … yet, according to the link provided above (his name), he was offered by just one Power 5 school (Oregon St) and one Texas school (Houston) … a state that has several D1 FB programs.

Schneider will compete for the starting job next season but but I wouldn’t favor him just yet.

Comment by wbb 06.06.16 @ 8:11 am

Stocker is a senior and his known for his athleticism more than his passing … he may be used in special situations this year

Comment by wbb 06.06.16 @ 8:14 am

wbb, from the last thread, I was thinking the same thing about Camp and Watts. Narduzzi seems to be great at closing guys that have had issues with other commitments. His forte seems to be d-backs. I hope he can get some 4 star front seven guys because we really need them.

Great to get Schneider so that there is competition and depth at the position next year. Hopefully one of these guys will be ready or we will backslide.

We lose a lot of starters next year, so a lot of opportunity for guys that develop in backup this year.

I think Stocker is just an insurance policy that hopefully will not be needed.

Comment by gc 06.06.16 @ 8:34 am

link to pittsburghpanthers.com

Gotta feel good about this guy. Hopefully he will take Peterman and our offense to the next level.

Hoping that Flowers and/or Ffrench are the real deals. I have a lot of concern about Weah learning how to catch the ball, especially in pressure situations. Hopefully Henderson and Tipton come through as well.

We will also see how Ford does with the double teams this year.

Comment by gc 06.06.16 @ 8:44 am

Stocker has a background with OC Canada at NC State where he played a couple of games as backup QB. He then transferred to UT Martin where, according to his Pitt bio, his highlight in 5 games at QB was a 70 yard TD run — get the picture.

AS far as Watts and Camp, wouldn’t be surprised if one or both see some PT this year. It’s amazing what the Pitt staff was able to sign late Jan and Feb last year, at least from a prospective level.

Comment by wbb 06.06.16 @ 8:44 am

Don’t see any mention of the fact that Bo Schneider actually had three starts at Central Florida as a Freshman.

Maybe I missed it.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 9:37 am

Schneider’s performance as a Starter was marginal.

Regardless, it’s a fact that Quarterbacks named “Bo” usually end up Starters… and pretty good ones.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 9:40 am

That goes for Runningbacks and Center Fielders too.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 9:42 am

I’m not saying Schneider is favored. Just that since MacVittie verballed I’ve gotten this impression from Pitt fans (here and on the msg boards) that he’s a lock to be the starter down the road. That sure could happen and I’d be fine with that as his highlights look OK.

But the thing about college ball is that there is competition at positions – unlike the NFL where starting jobs are pretty much known way in advance of the season, save few exceptions.

I like Narduzzi’s approach to personnel so far in that he looks at these kids as ‘team’ members first – and he’ll make switches, sit down players, let kids go, etc… based on that concept. We may say that it was a Chaney-Peterman deal last season but I can guarantee you that even though he was a rookie HC Narduzzi wasn’t going to play someone at QB unless he wanted that kid to play QB.

We have seen a more of JUCO and transfer personnel activity in HCPN’s first 12 months then I can remember in any other Pitt HC’s time at Pitt. It obviously worked well for him last season – to the tune of a new QB and 8 wins – so when he makes the move to get transfers to come to Pitt I take it seriously.

We’ll see transfer get major PT with Hendrix at DE, Peterman at QB, Ford at WR and Edwards at DE.

In addition we’ll see these position switches get PT: OL O’Neill, LB Ziese, TE Parrish (from FB), DE Folston (from LB).

And of course next season we’ll have transfers TE Chris Clark who may start and QB Schneider.

BTW – one of my ‘breakout‘ players of 2017 is rsSO FB George Aston. Keep an eye on him… Cheney used him kind of a lot, hope Canada does the same. He blocks very well.

“2015: Played in all 13 games, starting four at fullback to letter in his first active season…had eight receptions for 40 yards (5.0 avg.) and two touchdowns on the year…had a pair of four-yard touchdown catches in Pitt’s 45-34 win over Louisville.”

Comment by Reed 06.06.16 @ 9:43 am

here are Schneider stats at UCF:

Bo Schneider FR QB 8 105 54 51.4 534 5.1 2 7 87.11 13.1 66.8

In the above, you may notice a modest 5/1 YPA and 2 TDs and 7 Ints

This is not to say he won’t pan out here; that remains to be seen

Comment by wbb 06.06.16 @ 9:48 am

If you check out Kellen McAlone’s highlights from High School, you’ll see that he was a pretty good Playmaker as a Wideout.

But equally impressive is the accuracy of the passes heading his way… thrown by Bo Schneider.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 9:55 am

If McVittie is legit he will start over Schneider I believe.

Comment by bj 06.06.16 @ 10:26 am

Disagree about Schneider’s arm strength. I think it is similar to DiNucci’s. Also, both had high school success based on the offense they played in rather than their arm strength.

MacVitte and Picket are better prospects.

Comment by notrocketscience 06.06.16 @ 11:02 am

well here you go …. forget about Scheider, MacVittie or DiNucci

link to pittsburgh.n.rivals.com

Comment by wbb 06.06.16 @ 11:51 am

web, keep in mind that UCF was 0 and 12 last year. My guess is that even the few games Schneider got in he wasn’t surrounded by any great support from the rest of the team.

Comment by jrnpitt 06.06.16 @ 1:03 pm

My postings on this thread are for the purpose of balancing the presentation of facts which I thought was a bit subjective.

Right now, I see no clear favorite in the 2017 Pitt QB derby.

Comment by wbb 06.06.16 @ 1:10 pm

At least we now have enough QB’s to have a derby. I see Kevin Givens the committed linebacker recruit Franlinstine stole from the 15 class when Chryst left was beefed up moved to their D line and will be playing as a starter against Pitt on 9/10/16.

Comment by Pitt60 06.06.16 @ 1:32 pm

Video of Pickett looks super good. 3 yrs. hs.exp., throws 40yds with ease,makes good throws on the run and under pressure(extends play),can run with the ball and seems to have good football sense in playing and decisions.

Comment by Pitt60 06.06.16 @ 1:58 pm

Another Pat signal

Comment by Yeti 06.06.16 @ 2:01 pm

Darian Street

Comment by Yeti 06.06.16 @ 2:04 pm

Pitt60… where did you see video of Pickett.

Looked but was unable to find any Game Tape.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 3:56 pm

Nevermind… found it

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 3:57 pm

Darian’s a 3 star WR. His brother was only a 2 or 3 star. He worked out pretty well. Still need to start adding some more 4 stars to this class.

I thought someone said Todd Sibley RB from Ohio was announcing today, didn’t see that anywhere

Comment by Pap76 06.06.16 @ 4:06 pm

Pitt60… think your analysis is pretty much on the mark.

Pickett has some Athleticism to him along with the ability to make plays on the run… which is obviously a requirement if you want to play QB for Matt Canada.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.06.16 @ 4:13 pm

Apparently Sibley is now sticking with his O$U commit

Comment by pd 06.06.16 @ 6:09 pm

Where did you see that on Sibley pd?

Comment by Pap76 06.06.16 @ 6:26 pm

He’s not sticking with the OSU commit in the least …

Read his tweet a few hours ago – you’ll have to scroll down a few – Pitt not in top 5.

link to twitter.com

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 06.06.16 @ 7:03 pm

247, two guys picked him to go to Pitt just yesterday (one being an OSU beat guy) after reports came out he was in the Burgh over the weekend. Sibley tweeted the reports were a lie. Maybe he was trying to cover his tracks don’t know. He was/is looking around at Pitt and MSU. Meyer asked him to greyshirt this may not be over

Comment by pd 06.06.16 @ 7:04 pm

Whoops did not see that thanks Tossing.

Comment by pd 06.06.16 @ 7:18 pm

Tossing- that’s a retweet of one of his buddies top 5

Comment by Pap76 06.06.16 @ 7:46 pm

Still think he is very much in play and the greyshirt request from OSU not sitting well with him

Comment by Pap76 06.06.16 @ 7:48 pm

Ahhh. Missed that. Thanks Pap.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 06.06.16 @ 7:54 pm

Pd -my bad

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 06.06.16 @ 7:54 pm

Comment by Reed 06.06.16 @ 8:08 pm

Comment by gc 06.06.16 @ 9:10 pm

Street’s offers sheet doesn’t give me any confidence in this offer by Pitt. Of the 3 that committed over the past several days I feel the best about Pickett.

Comment by jrnpitt 06.07.16 @ 2:02 am

Welcome Darian Street to the Pitt family. Another position of need – Mr. Franklinstein will be calling you often over the next nine months. No need to answer as his 4-8 record will land his “behind” elsewhere.

HTP!

Comment by Erie Express 06.07.16 @ 3:58 am

gc – thanks for the video highlights for Street. He seems to block well, makes catches over the middle and his HS QB locked in on him when he was double & triple covered and another teammate (receiver) would be wide open.

Brother of a very good Pitt receiver who is currently playing in the NFL. Now let’s get a verbal from a WR from Georgia – the son of Pitt legend Craig “Ironhead” Heyward.

HTP!

Comment by Erie Express 06.07.16 @ 4:18 am

“Ironhead”. The name conjurs up so much. It brings back memories when he was in Pitt summer camp at UPJ as they used to do. Ironhead came into camp over weight and was heard constantly grumbling about when could he get off his all day cerial diet. He did get off the diet the first week because he made weight and had a great season. This was back when humble fans could attend any practice and with proper opportunity even talk to a coach, trainer or facility manager. Which is how I got Johnny Majors autograph for my two young sons and first heard about the universities plan for a new stadium in panther hollow. How time flies and things change.

Comment by Pitt60 06.07.16 @ 3:15 pm

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