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December 11, 2015

Before we get serious here – have fun with this…

News out of the Southside today is that there have been some discussions about players discussing transfers with the coaching staff.  Not too surprising is that the first to surface is Chad Voytik’s discussion with Pat Narduzzi.  Sam Werner has tweeted this on the subject:

Narduzzi says he has had “a little bit” of discussion with QB Chad Voytik about possible graduate transfer. #Pitt.

Werner then followed that tweet with this:

Narduzzi: “Chad knows we want him here, but we want what’s best for Chad, too. I know it’s not easy being a backup quarterback.”

This isn’t earthshaking news really. I think most Pitt fans figured that once this staff sat Voytik down onto the bench in favor of transfer-in QB Nate Peterman that Voytik would be looking around.

Personally I felt that Voytik would stay the course and either try to win the starting job back or be the solid #2 QB ready to go in place of Peterman if needed.  In my opinion Voytik doesn’t have a solid shot at a starting job in a D1 school as he really isn’t that talented of a QB to just waltz in and grab that position from an imcumbent

Of course he could be looked at by a coaching staff as a one year in-between stopgap QB much like Pitt reached out for Tom Savage back in 2013.  Much more likely is that Voytik, who I believe is about to graduate in the spring semester, will drop down in division and play as starter there.

Either way, whatever his decision is, it will be made for the fun and competition of playing football which he obviously enjoys.  I’d like for him to stay as another QB who is proven to be able to pass and run the ball efficiently and for us to have those skills in reserve if we need them.

Here is a bit of news about a younger player on the team, LB Jamal Davis.  He was a nice 3* pickup out of Ohio who had some other good scholarship offers during his recruitment and I was glad when we landed him.

Davis redshirted his true FR season last year and really didn’t get much PT this season except for special teams.  He played in 10 games with one tackles and one “QB Hurry”.  Good luck to him in the future wherever he lands next.

Here are the 5th year seniors who will have to exit stage left… except possibly for Ejuan Price who has been in discussions about applying to the NCAA for a 6th year of eligibility due to his being injured so much of his first four years at Pitt.  That application can’t be entered until the end of the last game of the current season – so I’d expect Price will do that on Dec 29th.

# NAME HT/WT POS YR HOMETOWN/LAST SCHOOL
67 David Murphy 6-3/220 LS RS SR Buffalo, N.Y./St. Francis
57 Artie Rowell 6-2/310 OL RS SR Harrisburg, Pa./Central Dauphin
95 Khaynin Mosley-Smith 6-0/305 DL RS SR Pittsburgh, Pa./Woodland Hills/Milford Academy (N.Y.)
97 Mark Scarpinato 6-3/285 DL RS SR Milwaukee, Wis./Michigan St.
21 Jameel Poteat 5-10/215 LB RS SR Harrisburg, Pa./Bishop McDevitt
5 Ejuan Price 6-0/250 DL RS SR Rankin, Pa./Woodland Hills
6 Lafayette Pitts 5-11/195 DB RS SR Duquesne, Pa./Woodland Hills
3 Nicholas Grigsby 6-1/220 LB RS SR Trotwood, Ohio/Trotwood-Madison
44 Matt Steinbeck 6-0/210 LB RS SR Pittsburgh, Pa./Bucknell

Now, here is something pretty dramatic to show just how you this roster is and has been over the last two years.  we don’t have any Seniors who have to decide about requesting the staff for a 5th year of play.  None.

SR TE J. P. Holtz was a four year player since his true FR year as was SR DL Darryll Render.

Which if my math is correct means we only have, at this point, 11 scholarships to use for the 2016 season.  Add the fact that Tyler Boyd is most probably going to declare for the draft as soon as the season ends, and adding Voytik and Jamal Davis to the list of the departed and that works the number up to 14… one over where our 2016 commitment list currently stands.  If that is true we may well see a Paul Chryst-like purge of existing roster players to add room for the remaining 2016 targets that everyone is crowing about.

Narduzzi had this to say about Boyd in his recent press conference (P-G’s Werner’s Red Shirt Diaries):

– Wide receiver Tyler Boyd will have to decide within the next month or so whether he will return to Pitt or declare for the NFL Draft. While he’s widely expected to leave, Narduzzi said no decision has yet been made.”We’ve had conversations,” Narduzzi said. “We’ll go through the process, finish up this bowl game and see where he ends up. To me, it’s what’s best for Tyler? Whatever’s best for him, we’re going to make sure he gets.”  The deadline for Boyd to declare for this year’s draft is Jan. 15, so he’ll have a few weeks after Pitt’s bowl game to make up his mind.

However, as I said my math is either incorrect or the local recruiting guru, Chris Dokish, expects that purge to happen and he’s saying that we should have a recruiting class of around ‘20 or so’.  Here is his take on who are remaining targets are (article is a wee bit dated).  If that 20 target is correct and my ciphers above are also correct that means we’ll see six players having their computer access blocked, handed pink slips, told to pack their belongings and clear their dorm rooms and then security will escort them outside the building…. their severance check will be in the mail within two weeks.

As wbb pointed out below; here are the rs SRs who may be having looking tough decisions soon:

41 Anthony Rippole 5-10/230 FB RS JR McKees Rocks, Pa./Montour
17 Chris Wuestner 6-2/210 WR RS JR Carlisle, Pa./Carlisle
16 Chad Voytik 6-1/215 QB RS JR Cleveland, Tenn./Cleveland
15 Reggie Mitchell 6-0/190 DB RS JR Pittsburgh, Pa./Shady Side Academy
38 Ryan Lewis 6-0/195 DB RS JR Seattle, Wash./Eastlake
30 Mike Caprara 6-0/230 LB RS JR Turtle Creek, Pa./Woodland Hills
4 Bam Bradley 6-2/230 LB RS JR Dayton, Ohio/Trotwood-Madison
61 Pat Quirin 6-1/225 LS RS JR Pittsburgh, Pa./Pittsburgh Central Catholic
62 John Guy 6-7/310 OL RS JR Somerville, Mass./New Hampton School (N.H.)
26 Jevonte Pitts 5-11/200 DB RS JR Forest Hills, Pa./Woodland Hills/Milford Academy (N.Y.)
19 Dontez Ford 6-2/215 WR RS JR McKees Rocks, Pa./Sto-Rox
69 Adam Bisnowaty 6-6/300 OL RS JR Pittsburgh, Pa./Fox Chapel
4 Nate Peterman 6-2/225 QB RS JR Jacksonville, Fla./Tennessee
71 Gabe Roberts 6-5/300 OL RS JR New London, Wis./New London
8 Manny Stocker 6-2/220 WR RS JR Coatesville, Pa./UT Martin

This is the part I hate about the college football.  I’m of the mind that if a high school senior accepts the offer from Pitt to spend four years at the university as a student/athlete then I believe Pitt should honor that four year verbal agreement.  We used to try as hard as we could to do just that but times change and the circumstances in the recent past have changed Pitt’s mind into more of a what have you done for me lately type of deal.I’m not even going to speculate on who those kids might be and I hope I am wrong on my numbers take on the above.  However, we have already seen in a big way how this staff doesn’t look at the roster and say “Gee – this player is a starter so we have to keep him there”  I’ve an inkling that if this staff doesn’t recruit you you are pretty much on the trading block… with a few exceptions like Ejuan Price as mentioned above.

There are four year scholarships allowed by the NCAA now but I can’t find any info on if Pitt does this or not.  I have a feeling they don’t.

So – if someone can shed better light on all of this please weigh in… as I have said before recruiting isn’t really my strong point.

Here is a treat to get you onto your workday.  Because we want Navy to beat Army, soundly, this weekend so that we play a 10 win team in the Military bowl – this is a video done by Middies about getting thier 15th straight win over Army.





The days of 4 year scholarships are long gone. Players are provided scholarships year by year and know it. Some have more of a “guarantee” than others, of course. As much as Narduzzi loves the heck out of these kids he met about 360 days ago, he’s got a job to do. And we expect him to do it.

I don’t think we’ll sign random kids just to sign them and force guys to move on. But on the other hand, if Pitt turned away Hamlin or a Sanders flip because of a lack of scholarships, this board would be in flames.

Comment by cnorwoodaz 12.11.15 @ 11:58 pm

I don’t like this part of the game either because guys like Chad, Amara and Davis become part of the Pitt family and then you have to watch them leave – not a good feeling. Really good back stories with Chad and Amara – I don’t know much about Davis.

But here is my take on HCPN and his staff – because they have created such an intense atmosphere of competition in practice and during games, these players know where they stand as far as future playing time, without the coaches telling them nor asking them to transfer out. The ones who decide to transfer may have a burning desire to play and know they can (at some level), just not Pitt right now.

If my take is accurate, then I think this can be a healthy process for all involved and the Panther Nation will benefit greatly by seeing a better product on the field sooner rather than later.

My best wishes go out to Patrick Amara and Jamal Davis. Make your family proud and never forget your experiences at Pitt.

HTP!

Comment by Erie Express 12.12.15 @ 6:15 am

I don’t have any inside information … but wouldn’t be surprised to see Amara follow Adonis Jennings’ footsteps and join Temple, back in Philly. After a redshirt year, he will still have 2 years eligibility.

Same for Jamal Davis who is a RS FR. He’s from Massilon so maybe he can join a MAC team … or maybe Mt Union who is perennial D3 power near Salem OH.

Comment by wbb 12.12.15 @ 7:35 am

Erie – what we are seeing now is truly what happens every year. I don’t think this staff is handling things any differently than our other staffs have been doing. It sounds to me that – so far – that these kids have wanted to leave on their own.

But in a sense you are correct – college football staffs won’t start putting pressure on kids to transfer or leave the team on their own until after the bowl game. Doing it before would really hurt the team morale right before a big game.

One thing about these “transfers” are that a lot of times the players are leaving due to academics. When these player moves are announced between the regular seasons the players, staff and media always say that the kid is ‘transferring’ even though the player most often has no idea where he’ll end up – if anywhere.

So the courtesy is to pretend they are transferring rather than quitting due to academics, being jettisoned due to unsuitability as a teammate… or sometimes even a failed drug test. NOT SAYING that is the case here at all but that has been the case in the past.

Only when something happens in camp or in-season and a player leaves are they said to be withdrawing from or ‘leaving’ the team. Then the privacy act kicks in and academics or drug tests can’t be disclosed by the administration, unless the player himself talks about the reason (usually academics).

When a player is suspended for a season (or a semester sometimes) and plans to return is usually when the player will talk about it publicly.

I have no idea what the backstory is on these three players, although Voytik’s move is pretty obvious, so it could be anything. Davis and Amara could well be transferring but my point is that isn’t always the case in these situations.

Again, I’m not saying these are anything but players wanting to get PT elsewhere, that sounds about right in this case – just that sometimes there is more to the story than meets the eye.

Comment by Reed 12.12.15 @ 7:41 am

the scrimmage yesterday was for scout team and back-ups. The following got high grades per Werner and Chris Peak:

DE’s Allen Edwards & Dewayne Hendrix, CB Dane Jackson, LB’s Anthony McKee & Saleem Brightwell & safety Jay Stocker all looked good.

Plus there are some good commits coming in that may see some immediate PT.

The defense will be fine and continue to improve … even with transfers and key graduates.

Comment by wbb 12.12.15 @ 8:02 am

Reed – I read in one article that Davis already cleaned out his locker. I guess he may not have left on good terms and won’t participate in the bowl game.

The other two, Amara and Voytik may be needed for the bowl game – what do you think the chances are they both travel to Annapolis? Amara plays a lot on ST’s and is a key back-up at both safety spots.

Chad is one play away from significant playing time at QB in the bowl game – but, in my opinion, the Navy D should NEVER lay a hand on NP in this game. NEVER!

Comment by Erie Express 12.12.15 @ 8:04 am

Reed, in the case of Davis and Amara, both were playing so I don’t think a failed drug test or any kind of academic issue was causing suspension was in order … but who knows? But I certainly acknowledge that some transfers are due to internalized issues that we often will never know about

Comment by wbb 12.12.15 @ 8:10 am

We’ll have articles about Navy later on closer to the bowl game but I think we Pitt fans should take a good look at the breakdown categories and NCAA 2015 rankings their team has:

link to stats.ncaa.org

In a LOT of categories they are damned impressive.

Then watch the Army-Navy game today and look for how quick they all are and how well their back seven adjusts.

Comment by Reed 12.12.15 @ 8:16 am

wbb – I really don’t think so either. As I said I was providing info about what happens behind the scenes in college ball.

Comment by Reed 12.12.15 @ 8:19 am

Here is an article about those two Pitt DEs of the future:

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by Reed 12.12.15 @ 8:47 am

Just read DiPaola’s article on the scrimmage. Gleaned this nugget:

(Narduzzi said) There are only two quarterbacks in my last 15 years that have come in as a rookie and done what (DiNucci) has done, and that other guy is Kirk Cousins (formerly of Michigan State and now the Washington Redskins starting quarterback).

Add MacVittie into the mix and we could be in great shape at the QB position for the next 4-5 years.

Plus the improvements on D just have to make you smile…

Comment by Atlanta Panther 12.12.15 @ 8:48 am

Very encouraged by the article about Hendrix and Edwards. We will have a pass rush next year and if Juan comes back, look out. Sounds like Stocker, McKee and Brightwell are ready to see the field as well. Hope everyone takes advantage of the next eight months in the weight room.

Also keep buying those Bowl tickets. Let’s take over Annapolis.

Comment by gc 12.12.15 @ 9:49 am

James.

Chaney.

Comment by Bj 12.12.15 @ 9:52 am

Chris.

Jim.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.12.15 @ 10:03 am

Bj and Dr. Tom – are you referring to additional transfers with those two names?

Comment by Erie Express 12.12.15 @ 10:57 am

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