November 11, 2013

Notre Dame Win=Recruiting Win

Filed under: Football,Recruiting — Justin @ 11:35 am

First off, a heartfelt thank you to veterans. Thank you for allowing me the freedom to be focused on football today. Let’s abuse our freedoms by focusing on the whims of teenaged man-children and where they will go to college!

Not only was the victory over Notre Dame a huge win for 2013, it was a huge win for the following five years due to the impression it made on recruits. I mentioned early Sunday morning that there were upwards of 50 recruits at the game. I’ll stick to only available 2014 recruits for now, but needless to say this victory will go a long way towards closing a few key targets.

The bad news headed into the weekend was that Dravon Henry, the Aliquippa standout, would not be at the game. He was at the WVU-Texas game instead. This was countered by a surprise visitor: Rutgers verbal Adonis Jennings. The heralded WR wasn’t there to just take advantage of a good game. He’s available. 

Jennings is no longer committed to Rutgers and he has scheduled his official visit (his trip for Notre Dame was unofficial; a player can only go on an official visit once per school) for January 17th. It appears the race is now between Pitt and Iowa. Jennings throws a good problem into the coaches’ hands. It appeared as if they were all-in on Virginia WR Jamil Kamara as their top WR target. With Jennings now in the picture, the coaches have another option. It’s a toss-up in terms of which player is a better prospect and it’s possible Jennings could be more desired than Kamara.

There were five other players in attendance the coaches are very interested in: OT Alex Bookser, LB James Folston Jr. (brother of Irish RB Tarean Folston), Safety Montae Nicholson, Safety Rasaan Stewart, and DE Hez Trahan. Best case scenario, the coaches have nine spots left, but that’s a .00001% chance number. It would mean the coaches add 27 new players, two of which would enroll in January (meaning they could towards the 2013 class). With 17 players graduating and 2 currently open scholarships, it would require eight players lost to attrition, which won’t happen. I see a few players who could transfer or be asked to move on, but I won’t publicly speculate as to whom. However, I doubt it’s eight.

Realistically speaking, I think there are six or seven spots left, which would give the new class 24 or 25. There certainly is a large possibility a quality player will want to come to Pitt but a scholarship isn’t available. There are a few players the coaches will find a way to fit in no matter what: Dravon Henry, Montae Nicholson, RB Shai McKenzie, RB Chris James, WR Jamil Kamara, and OT Alex Bookser.

I highly doubt we get all six of those guys, which explains why they’re still heavily recruiting other options. But, it’s easy to say that the big win along with the great gameday atmosphere will go a long way on closing Nicholson and Bookser. One thing to keep in mind: there’s no such thing as make or break recruits. I recall when Rushel Shell and Deaysean Rippy were “must get” players. They’re both gone and no one misses them. The important thing is bringing in numerous talented players and not relying on a few guys to be your impact players.

Keep riding the happiness of a win, everyone. This Saturday is a huge game in terms of perception. This team needs to show that the Notre Dame win wasn’t a fluke. Beat UNC and all of the sudden it’s no longer *if* there will be a bowl game, it’s which one. The Notre Dame victory cannot be for naught, it has to mean something moving forward.

That one is easy wbb… Big 12

They just seem to lose talent every year.

Comment by Benzene 11.11.13 @ 7:56 pm

Baylor would smoke Ohio State and the shitty Big 10

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.11.13 @ 7:57 pm

Big 12 is WAY better than the Shit 10

Comment by Upittbaseball 11.11.13 @ 7:57 pm

i just read the rankings for BB conferences for this year.
the ACC is the best number 1
the old big east is number 7
even the new AAC is ranked a head of the old big east.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.11.13 @ 8:07 pm

Upittbaseball, you don’t get the win. You get a loss.

Comment by steve1 11.11.13 @ 8:16 pm

Fellow Blathers,

This video is the greatest thing you will watch all season. I really think HCPC is much more connected with the players than some think. Enjoy!

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Comment by JAM 05 Pitt 11.11.13 @ 8:23 pm

@ Nick

thx for the info bro. Some things never change, you see Ohio Fake is one of the ‘anointed’ schools, so they have plenty of talking heads to take their side against an upstart like Baylor.

I was on Bleacher Report and they had their bowl matchups and of course they had Baylor and Clemson both being screwed bigtime.
Baylor vs Fresno State in the Fiesta Bowl
Clemson vs. Central Florida in the Orange.

No win games for both the ‘upstarts’.

Just like the year they had TCU & Boise playing eachother in the Fiesta. The ‘anointed’ ones do everything in power to avoid playing teams like them.

Comment by EMel 11.11.13 @ 8:39 pm

@ sos22

I guess I starting a strong dislike for Ohio Fake when Tony Dorsett was overlooked for the Heisman Trophy his junior year, you know the year he had 303 yards against ND. He was bypassed so that they could give Ohio Faker Archie Griffin a SECOND Heisman, which in the process also negated any chance of TD winning a 2nd Heisman. Since TD only had 1 year left and luckily he didn’t get hurt, we ran the table and he won something he should have won the previous year as well.

Griffin showed what a overhyped farce he was in the NFL. And TD proved he was the far superior player and athlete. And the real deal.

Woody Hayes was a jerk too, on the order of JoePedo.

Also I always liked Michigan’s helmets when I was a kid. It was great always watching Ohio Fake get crushed in the Rose Bowl, just about every year they played in it. But I pulled for Michigan and Iowa when they played out there in Tinsel Town.

Comment by EMel 11.11.13 @ 8:49 pm

Frankcan,you been quiet on the recruiting scoops, what’s going on? I thought you’d have some scoop after the ND game.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 11.11.13 @ 8:51 pm

Thx Frankie.

Happy Veterans Day to you and your sons !

Comment by EMel 11.11.13 @ 8:52 pm

Maybe individual donors don’t give to Pitt since it would be money wasted given who we have in the administration. Other research schools get the donors to give to football so never say Pitt can never compete due to lack of funds. Other schools do it. So can Pitt with new leadership and a kick in the ass.

Our fans and big money donors just may not be as passionate as other schools but we’ve been lost in the desert since 76. The money is there. It’s sitting on the sidelines until change.

FSU has few big money donors. They struggle as well. A university’s commitment to excellence resulting in wins brings out the money. Again look at what A&M did. Now granted they treat football as a religion. But Pitt fans need to treat it like that just a bit. Not advocating zombie cult status but part of Pitt’s problem is we don’t give enough of a shit.

Comment by TX Panther 11.11.13 @ 9:00 pm

And happy Veterans Day to all Vets out there. My Dad especially, the Vietnam Vet. And my good friend Nick.

Comment by TX Panther 11.11.13 @ 9:03 pm

Pitt ND highlights from the ACC Network:

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Comment by Jackagain 11.11.13 @ 9:37 pm

@Emel….check this out! (better be sitting down)

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Comment by Jackagain 11.11.13 @ 9:53 pm

Emel, You’re absolutely right about Tony Dorsett deserving the Heisman Trophy his junior year. Archie Griffin won two Heismans running through holes behind fullback Pete Johnson. Johnson was probably one best blocking college fullbacks of all time. Archie Griffin was a bust on the pro level and Pete Johnson went on to a good pro career with Cincy Bengals. Johnson at 270 lbs. was almost impossible to stop in short yardage situations.

Comment by Justinian 11.11.13 @ 10:07 pm

MARCUS have hard nothing except that WR jamil kamara who we were after likes wisconsin and has put them at the top of his list and that is to bad.
and that we have a real shot at nicholson and bookser and that they think we have a real chance at WR ADONIS JENNINGS.
but things are hush hush i guess

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.11.13 @ 10:25 pm

I just can’t see any blue chip player from WPA or PA going to WVU now. To know their life would be comprised of Morgantown – airplane – 1000 miles – dust bowls – 50-60 point games ever week – Morgantown…. ahhhh, NOT.

Any Blue chipper with with choices and a brain is going somewhere else… and PITT don’t look like too bad an option!

Oh, and I guess Heinz Field can rock like a college stadium after all….

Comment by Pittscript 11.11.13 @ 11:24 pm

As for Henry… good he was at WVU while he now knows he missed the party at Heinz field…

… as a CB recruit what do you think when you stand on the sidelines and realize the WVU is the weak man in a conference where football is a track meet for 60 minutes? Is that really how/where you want to play football for 4 years?


Comment by Pittscript 11.11.13 @ 11:44 pm

@ Jackagain

Not surprising. The perfect a-hole coach for the perfect The A-Hole State university.

Never liked this turd at BG, Utah, Florida and now Ohio Fake. Something smells about this turd.

And Suburban Urban’s upstaging of us during the Bowl Game and post-game of our first 10 win season in 30 years, smelled to high heaven. With his bogus fake heart condition.

Self-promoting lying sack of sh*t, imo.

Whoever they play in whatever bowl game, hopefully they’ll be exposed as the average Big Joke team that they are.

Comment by EMel 11.11.13 @ 11:58 pm

I wonder what his connections are….i’ll have to do some research.

F9cking puke.

Veritas et Virtus

Comment by EMel 11.12.13 @ 12:03 am

Emel, hear hear! Spend 5 minutes with a group of Ohio St. fans, you understand the hate.

Script, I hear you, and agree being in the Big 12 should hurt WVU with local recruits, but they’re not awful. WVU/Pitt would be a good game this year. In fact, they might have a better shot at a bowl than Pitt, they finish with 0-6 Kansas and 0-6 Iowa St. That would suck but it might happen.

Comment by Iron Duke 11.12.13 @ 12:20 am

To go along with the Dancing Chryst video, here is one where you can see a bit of what he’s like during a practice:

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Comment by Reed 11.12.13 @ 7:15 am

@reed, really nice video. says it all… along with the dance video so no more BS that this guy can’t ‘communicate’.

Also, wow that so many of the old player could not buy into this guy and his staff… shows just how messed up things were. That is a head scratcher.

right kids learning from and following this coach and better days are ahead.

Comment by Pittscript 11.12.13 @ 8:22 am

In case anyone might want to notice we have a basketball game scheduled tonight. I hope to see Talib Zanna back off his mystery suspension. The game is televised on Root Sports at 7.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.12.13 @ 9:42 am

JJ Moore had a pretty lackluster 31 minutes in Rutgers loss to UAB last night.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.12.13 @ 9:58 am

Ohio State fans are an obnoxious, arrogant bunch. Tressel and Earl Bruce were much more gentlemanly and good guy than the overhyped A hole called Woody Hayes. The entire Ohio State crowed doubled down in the world of deserving assholes when Urban Meyer arrived. Even by today’s selfish, narcissistic head coaches, he is in a class by himself. It is all about him, he cheats, he bailed out just when the Hernandez story and a multitude of other similar scenario’s were catching up to him. Now he is trying to ride the softest schedule in the country into a title game. If I were voting I could put ten teams up there ahead of them who at least have a semblance of a schedule. Alabama, FSU, Stanford, and a bunch of others would kick their overrated ass.

Comment by PittMan 11.12.13 @ 10:15 am

First mention of James Folston and Hez Trahan, that I have seen. Glad to see a linebacker and D-end on the list, but neither are big names. Folston from FL which is positive. Trahan game highlight film not that impressive, but our coaches seem to recognize talent. Both have Pitt high on their list.

Anyone know anymore?

Comment by gc 11.12.13 @ 10:47 am

What a great game to have so many recruits attend. Henry not attending is no big deal, he has been scheduled to see the Miami game for his official visit all year. Plus seeing WVU lose and having to hear about Pitt’s win can’t work against us.

One thing to consider is this, a lot of the guys who committed who are lower rated MAC guys will consider decommitting too for playing time reasons if they see several other players at their position coming in.

It’s not just the top guys who end up decommitting. Until NSD we won’t know for sure how many players we’ve got on the list and the coaching staff will have tough conversations with some of the lower end guys if they get the top guys locked in.

If we can land 4/5 of our top remaining targets that would be an enormous win for Chryst and Co and a second – yes I said it – good recruiting class.

Comment by PittHW 11.12.13 @ 11:23 am

All you have to know about Urban Meyer can be found in two quotes of his. Not wasting my time looking up the exact teams and quotes, but you’ll get the jist.

Last year at Utah: “well, we play as tough as teams as anyone, we beat who they put on our schedule, we definitely deserve to be in the BCS”..

Not more than a year later at Florida: “I don’t think TCU deserves to take a spot away from a top conference team, they haven’t played anyone, the SEC is a dog fight every week.”

I can’t believe there wasn’t more made of this from the media. He’s worse than a politician.

You would have thought someone who wanted to make a name for himself would have got him at a press conference or something, and asked him directly about those two quotes, polor opposites, how you can say one thing one year, then the total opposite the next. It looks like a 5 year olds logic, or such a simplistic way of saying “whatever’s best for my personal situation”.

Never really got called out for it.

Comment by Dan 11.12.13 @ 11:27 am

The Fresno State Bulldogs bring their Mountain West Conference hoop team to the Pete tonight for a 7 pm game. The MWC you might remember is where one Kwim Birch landed when he transferred to UNLV after finding the going a little too rough in Oakland two years ago. The Bullpups bit into 11 wins a year ago and are fresh off of an overtime licking of the Anteaters of Cal Irvine last week. The Zoo and friends are eagerly awaiting the return of Talib “Ho” Zanna who expected back off an undisclosed team rules violation single game suspension. Between the return of the corrected Kenyan and the visit of the outclassed California canines a good time should be had by all.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.12.13 @ 1:00 pm

Darrick Randall is what 6 foot 9 260 pounds if zanna
is out it is nice to have another big boy to put in
i hope for a good year say 26 wins.

Comment by Frankcan 11.12.13 @ 1:52 pm

Game tonight on YES for us New Yorkers

Comment by steve1 11.12.13 @ 2:47 pm

@ Frankcan, You are right about that , we will need both in the ACC. It wouldn’t hurt to see Young and Artis develop quickly either. We should have it pretty easy tonight though.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.12.13 @ 2:48 pm

@steve1, Root Sports has it covered here in the Burgh.

Comment by spiritofsection22 11.12.13 @ 2:53 pm

Reading an article about Number 1 recruit switching from Michigan to Alabama. The article mentioned the factual reasons for the last 10 years SEC has dominance, migration to the south and the impact of desegregation of atheletic programs but it mentioned one other thing.
The coach, such as Urban Myer at OSU still has signifcant connections and a pipeline from the south.
I mentioned Pitt’s great years of the mid-seventies to early eighties based on the demographics and segregation but I forgot that we had two excellent coaches with signficant name recognition in the southeast Majors and Sherill.
When Sherill left for A&M I wonder if Pitt that at the time was a nationwide top football program had hired a successful southern coach rather than passing the torch back 30 years to Fogo if Pitt could have maintained it’s dominance.

Comment by pittisit 11.16.13 @ 2:56 am

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