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February 16, 2013

Perhaps it is fitting that Pitt plays at Marquette for the final time on this day. Pitt leaves for the ACC and Marquette prepares for being in the Big Priest in 2014, it is unlikely the two shall see much of each other beyond the rare tournament meeting.

The history of both schools very rarely crossed until that fateful Sweet Sixteen game in 2003. That followed their joining the Big East and the games became battles. Was it a rivalry? I can’t say that. But the games were always tough. Few were sure things one way or another. And today as it ends it happens to be on the game where the Golden Eagles honor their 2003 team.

Bastards.

Pitt is feeling more confident going into this game. Playing well. Healthy and liking their chances.

“We feel we’re a better team now than we were then, but we’ve got to show that and put that out on the floor,” Pitt coach Jamie Dixon said. “We’ve got to guard the penetration and rebound. We got outrebounded the last game, but I made it clear to the guys that we haven’t won many games when we were outrebounded.”

Not only did Marquette hold a 38-33 rebounding edge, but Pitt also had no answer for Golden Eagles guard Vander Blue, who made 9-of-10 free throws and scored 22 points.

Blue, a 6-foot-4 junior, leads Marquette in scoring at 14.6 points a game. Stopping his dribble penetration will be key.

To that end, Pitt will probably throw out a zone more frequently.

Dixon’s 2-3 zone defense could be a key for the Panthers in the final weeks of the season, and especially so in a game at 1 p.m. today at No. 18 Marquette.

For one, the Panthers had trouble stopping the penetration of Marquette’s guards in the first game Jan. 12 against the Golden Eagles at Petersen Events Center. Vander Blue, who scored 22 points in Marquette’s 74-67 overtime victory, got past Pitt defenders repeatedly for easy buckets. The other reason for using a zone against the Golden Eagles is their poor outside shooting.

Marquette enters the game last in the Big East Conference in 3-point shooting percentage. The Golden Eagles make just 29.5 percent of their attempts from behind the arc.

Part of what Marquette does will center on the battles inside. Not simply the penetration by the perimeter players but how Pitt’s frontcourt is positioned for rebounds and simply clogging the lane. Marquette has actually been getting some production of their own inside as Chris Otule has finally had a healthy season.

To put Otule’s career in perspective, he has played 79 games in five years. Twenty-two of those games, all starts, have occurred this season. For the first time since 2010, his body is not betraying him.

As a result, Otule has been quite effective lately. In the loss Monday night to No. 15 Georgetown, he scored eight of Marquette’s first 11 points. Before that, he dropped six quick points on DePaul with short hooks, almost before the Blue Demons knew what hit them.

“I think a lot of it has to do with how hard you want to go on the court,” Otule said. “Like I said at Georgetown, you can’t go into every game thinking about how many points I’m going to score and how many rebounds I’m going to get. You’ve got off what you’re in control of, and you’re in control of your energy every game.

Otule is 6-11. In his time at Marquette he has broken both feet and last year suffered a major knee injury. This is his fifth year at Marquette and is eligible for a sixth. That is an injury ravaged career.

It also means Otule does not play for long stretches. He can go hard, but only for about a max of four minutes.

As for this game, it matters for Pitt in more than simply the Big East standings. It has implications for seeding in the NCAA Tournament.

Marquette’s RPI is 15, compared to Pitt’s 31. That’s the highest RPI of any of the Panthers’ final five regular-season opponents.

“It is not just critical for their RPI, but their NCAA Tournament seeding,” said CBS Sports bracketology analyst Jerry Palm, an RPI expert. “This is a team that Pittsburgh would be competing with in roughly the same part of the bracket. If they can win games like that, it helps them in terms of the seeding.”

Palm projects Pitt as a No. 5 seed and Marquette No. 6, as does Sporting News in its most recent field of 68 prediction.

That the Panthers are starting to gain national notice has something to do with their ranking among the nation’s leaders in both offensive efficiency (seventh, 1.133) and defensive efficiency (12th, 0.869).

“That’s something the national writers pay close attention to, and people are going to think there’s something behind it,” Sporting News national college basketball analyst Mike DeCourcy said. “They have great ability and potential to be in good shape when selection time comes. I certainly don’t think a 5-seed is their ceiling, or their floor.”

With St. John’s (15-9) and DePaul (10-14) the only other remaining road games, the Marquette game also is Pitt’s last chance to beat a ranked team away from Petersen Events Center. And every win away from home, including neutral sites, helps with the NCAA Selection Committee. The Panthers are 4-2 on the road and 2-1 at neutral venues this season.

As for Marquette, they are coming off an embarrassing loss to Georgetown. One where they managed to turn the ball over 19 times. Against a team that doesn’t force turnovers. There is no doubt they will be trying to put that game behind them.

1 pm game on CBS.





Any suggestions for seeing this game & fulfilling my Pitt basketball addiction? I live 500 miles from Pittsburgh, Directv can’t pay per view their western CBS feed. Hate to miss this game. Please…

Comment by Old School Panther 02.16.13 @ 8:47 am

If Otute is granted eligibility for next year, and Marquette does not want him, how about a 6th year senior as a back-up center at Pitt?

Comment by xfmrman 02.16.13 @ 9:02 am

*Otule

Comment by xfmrman 02.16.13 @ 9:03 am

Great. Here in Indianapolis, CBS I showing Kentucky-Tennessee. Anyone know of alternate feeds?

Comment by Lou 02.16.13 @ 9:13 am

I can’t tell for sure but I think CBSSports.com may have a live feed.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 9:32 am

The hugeness of this game cannot be overstated. If Pitt pulls it off, they emerge with a very real chance of winning the Big East regular season crown. Why do I say that? kenpom.com gives Pitt an 85% chance or better of winning each remaining game after today. Meanwhile, Syracuse and Georgetown play twice, Syracuse and Louisville play again, and Syracuse also plays Marquette. Pitt owns the tiebreaker over Syracuse and Georgetown, and needs this win to stop Marquette from holding the tiebreaker.

Anyway, there’s a shockingly plausible path to Pitt as Big East champions for the regular season. But it all has to start with a win today. I am so pumped for this game.

Comment by pittbaster 02.16.13 @ 9:41 am

@pittblaster – the mere fact that, after last season’s disaster and the slow start in the BE this season, you can say “plausible path to Pitt as Big East champions” tells me this has been a great year. It may be a down year in CBB in general but it is an up year for Pitt.

HTP!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 9:52 am


This is a HUGE game for us…it’s possible that Pitt can run the table if we get past this one!!..h2p!

Comment by Keith 02.16.13 @ 10:12 am

The Warriors will attack Adams early to try and get him in foul trouble.
As with most games in land of the big beers, Pitt will have to withstand an early emotional rush from the Warriors (that IS their name).
I look for Taylor to be an important cog in this wheel as well as both Tray W and TZ. Move your feet gentlemen and disrupt shot selection.
I could care less about their 2003 team. Spoil the party and win or let no man come back alive.

Comment by sfpitt 02.16.13 @ 10:17 am

And for the record books, Pitt and Marquette played in football, too, the last meeting in 1959 when Pitt was 6-4 and rated #20 in the country. Go Pitt.

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.16.13 @ 10:59 am

Old School – I am equally screwed here in B’more.
Game was listed in the paper on MASN on a half hour delay but in actually checking the live tv, it appears no where! Not on ESPN 3/360 either.
F————K!

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 11:08 am

Brandon Knights got to be sick seeing that 03 team there. I guess wade can’t make it. Hope Novak dosen’t come off the bench to shoot some 3′s.

Comment by alcofan 02.16.13 @ 11:08 am

If Pitt makes ~65% of their free throws, they will win today. H2P!

Comment by MariettaMike 02.16.13 @ 11:08 am

for those of you interested….Vegas has Pitt as a 2.5/3 point favorite. Pitt is 1/5 in their last six games against Marquette at Marguette with the 03 game and Brandon Knight as one of the worst Pitt losses of that era.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 11:14 am

This game could be HUGE with a win, but at the same time a loss would really not be that damaging overall.

Disappointing? yes. But Marquette is great at home and a loss on the road to a top 25 team is surely not a bad loss as long as PITT takes care of business the rest of the schedule

I personally believe the ND game is more of a must-win just becasue a loss to them at home will look worse than this loss.

With that being said, if PITT wins there is a legitimate shot at the BE regular season championship.

HTP

Comment by Julius Page's Headband 02.16.13 @ 11:17 am

Pitt is now #10 in ESPN.com’s BPI. Louisville and Cuse are the only other BE teams in the top 10 at 4 & 5.

HTP!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 11:40 am

Does anybody know of a way to watch the Pitt Baseball game today at 3:00 against Wichita State? Would be a great doubleheader. First the hoops win over Marquette and then the Baseball picking up a second straight big road win.

Comment by Pittman 02.16.13 @ 11:51 am

For people in DC/Baltimore area, we can see it on the CBS National broadcast… if you’ve got cable or any way at all of getting a CBS feed.

Comment by pittbaster 02.16.13 @ 12:05 pm

Game is on CBS here in Philly.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 02.16.13 @ 12:08 pm

For some that may not be that computer savy, and didn’t recognize it………..

xfmrman put a link up, for the CBS live website in his post above.

Click on it near game time, and you can watch!!!

Also, a computer geek could tell me otherwise, and I still wouldn’t believe it, when you have the game on, click all other windows off, it helps with the picture quality when watching online.

I’ve watched 5 or 6 online this year, every time picture quality was so-so, got off all the other junk, picture quality improved to tv quality if not better.

Comment by Dan 02.16.13 @ 12:08 pm

Also, you may want to click on it now, there is national pre game show on.

Then, near game time, click on the game that you want to watch.

Seems the longer you are on these sites, the picture quality is better.

Also, once you get a good picture quality, it seems to lock onto it, and you’re good for the game.

So, I’d go ahead and get on the site now.

Comment by Dan 02.16.13 @ 12:11 pm

Maybe I’m dreaming but did anyone notice tht the 2-3 zone played vs Cicy seemed a bit different than before. The outside men on the baseline actually seemed to move away from the baselne more to the point that they were almost aligned like a 1-3-1 … although the middleman onthe baseline wasn ot defending from end to end like a real 1-3-1.

I’m probably wrong, maybe they just adjusted to Cincy’s offense.. but it sure seemed different to me.

Comment by wbb 02.16.13 @ 12:12 pm

Damn it, that CBS college hoops theme song gives me a headache and makes my hands sweat.

Comment by steve1 02.16.13 @ 12:40 pm

Prov up 11 on the Domers, early 2nd half

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 1:05 pm

Adams needs to stay out of foul trouble.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 02.16.13 @ 1:06 pm

Those with DirecTV it should be on channel 729. You might need the sports package to view it.

Comment by NickW 02.16.13 @ 1:08 pm

Marquette is making every shot they throw up!! Pitt not looking great…did they sleep in again?

Comment by Pendlum 02.16.13 @ 1:32 pm

WBB- i think thats a case of pitt players understanding how a 2-3 matchup is supposed to work. in the past there was minimal, if any, rotation and thats what the zone ineffective

Comment by NC_Pitt 02.16.13 @ 1:35 pm

Marquette has to be shooting 80 percent.

Comment by Mailman 02.16.13 @ 1:37 pm

Pitt playing ok, Marquette can’t keep up this shooting display. Rebounding a bit of a concern.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 1:44 pm

JJ Moore is lost.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 02.16.13 @ 1:47 pm

Rebounding, defense, decision making…all concerns

Comment by Pendlum 02.16.13 @ 1:47 pm

Marquette really taking advantage of Pitt’s hedge. Wingman dropping to cover Adam’s man, leaving his man wide open for 3, happened 3 times already.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 1:49 pm

Hate to say it with so much game left but it doesn’t look good for Pitt. Down 13 to a team that is executing and making their shots. Pitt is not switching on defense, settling for horrible shots on offense, and making poor decisions that lead to turnovers. Going to take an epic fail by Marquette in the 2nd half for Pitt to win.

Comment by Pendlum 02.16.13 @ 1:52 pm

61.5%

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 1:52 pm

Defense not playing with passion. Right now, Marquette looks a step quicker….Need a better defensive output in second half.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.16.13 @ 1:53 pm

Who exactly is guarding Blue? A ghost?

I had this penciled in as a loss anyway….Marquette owns Pitt…always have. Glad we won’t be seeing these guys anymore. 42 points? Pathetic…

Comment by Jackagain 02.16.13 @ 1:53 pm

Worst three-point shooting team in the Big East is shooting 63% tonight; that’s all you need to say about this one.

Comment by pittbaster 02.16.13 @ 1:53 pm

For anyone who actually wants to the 2nd half of this fiasco and can’t get CBS….

http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/basketball.html

Comment by Jackagain 02.16.13 @ 1:56 pm

For anyone who actually wants to the 2nd half of this fiasco and can’t get CBS….

http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/basketball.html

Comment by Jackagain 02.16.13 @ 1:56 pm

Marquette is hot but no one is guarding worth a crap. We need someone like Blue. No one has a killer instinct

Comment by TonyC 02.16.13 @ 1:56 pm


Adams in the Pro’s talk is a joke. 0 points… He will be okay in 3 years. Until then pro talk is garbage.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.16.13 @ 1:58 pm

Listening to Hillgrove on XM as we are not getting Pitt feed in the ATL. Pitt needs to tighten up their D. Marquette is unconscious from the field. Pitt missing easy baskets. Things should turn around in second half. I just wish we were not down by 13 at the half. We’ll see what this Pitt team shows in the second half.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.16.13 @ 2:01 pm

Providence kills ND. Now PITT will have to deal with another team off a loss on Monday too

Comment by Julius Page's Headband 02.16.13 @ 2:05 pm

Just got the Pitt feed in Baltimore after the half on CBS. Not sure I want to watch it. This looks ugly.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:10 pm

Adams 7 Ft. misses dunk then follow up. Atrocious. 7 Ft. mind you.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.16.13 @ 2:13 pm

You know it’s a very bad day when Marquette loses a ball on offense and it rolls thru 5 Pitt players right to a Marq. guard.

Everything Marq is shooting is falling. Some hitting the rim and rolling forever but always in.

Wbat on earth kind of defense is Pitt playing?

Not much for sure. Pitt down 15.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:13 pm

Agreed – Adams is far from pro-ready.

Also, to everyone saying this game is huge, I ask huge for what? There’s only upside and virtually no downside to the loss. I do not think this is a huge game at all.

Comment by PantherP 02.16.13 @ 2:15 pm

Only Wright and Patterson have made more than one field goal today so far.

Comment by PantherP 02.16.13 @ 2:18 pm

Having watched the first 5 minutes of the second half, this looks like every other Marquette loss that Pitt has in Milwaukee. Warriors can do nothing wrong and Pitt cannot do anything right.
Every teams has one of those days…this is ours.
Maybe that week off cost us our sharpness.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:18 pm

I will say this. No way Marquette continues to shoot like this…say 71%. Pitt within 12 but just getting murdered on the offensive glass.
If we can get it into single digits by the 10 minute mark…who knows.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:29 pm

Awful. One of those days.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 2:34 pm

Pitt is as rattle as I have seen all year. Overplaying the ball and giving up easy dunks and layups down the middle of the (supposed) defense.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:34 pm

I am so happy this is the last time we play these assholes. Marquette has anihilated better Pitt teams than this one but that doesn’t make this any easier to watch.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:40 pm

Awful no call on Woodall’s drive. Just adds to the embarrassment

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:43 pm

All Ball Dan 72. Did you watch the replay. Adams still getting abused.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.16.13 @ 2:44 pm

How was that not a foul on woodall’s break?

Comment by Pendlum 02.16.13 @ 2:44 pm

AS usual Zanna has totally disappeared. Now Dixon teed up. Oh well..finding that bottle of scotch early.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:44 pm

Baseball…all ball but he was easily fouled with the body by a Marq player still moving his feet.
Awful no call..

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:47 pm

Woodall no call but the inadvertent elbow by Patterson flagrant 1…right…

Comment by Pendlum 02.16.13 @ 2:50 pm

Awful calls in general down the stretch. How was that anything but a basketball play given all the other no calls on our end.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 2:50 pm

Horrible call on Patterson elbow. I hate that rule,

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 2:50 pm

Flagrant? The only hing flagrant in this game is the second half officiating.

Comment by Outlaw 02.16.13 @ 2:50 pm

I love it how Marquette’s Center shoots better freethrows than our entire team.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.16.13 @ 2:51 pm

Since the 16 minute mark of the first half, Pitt has not been in this game. I hope this impresses our team to come out stronger in the future.

Pitt usually saves this kind of game for the NCAA’s.

Notre Dame will kill us if we play this way Monday

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 2:51 pm

Pitt hasn’t played great but the refs are really making sure we can’t catch up?

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 2:51 pm

The biggest killer in this game: we get it down to 11 force a turnover…TV timeout kills momentum then woodall throws it away on the ensuing possession. All momentum lost. Game over.

Comment by MikePitt 02.16.13 @ 2:51 pm

Three fouls on them in 15+ minutes.. Sure..

Comment by Outlaw 02.16.13 @ 2:52 pm

I take 1 Gardner over 10 Steve Adams.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.16.13 @ 2:53 pm

Totally flat.

Comment by frankarms 02.16.13 @ 2:57 pm

Make all the excuses you want, this grades out a an “F”.
Class dismissed.

Comment by SFPitt 02.16.13 @ 2:57 pm

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Curly got us again.

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 02.16.13 @ 3:02 pm

Hope we don’t see these guys in the BE Tournament…

Comment by Jackagain 02.16.13 @ 3:07 pm

Sit down Curly

Comment by PittStadiumShuffle 02.16.13 @ 3:12 pm

Pitt almost always stinks on CBS….

Comment by Jackagain 02.16.13 @ 3:18 pm

Really poor showing boys.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 02.16.13 @ 3:19 pm

That’s what a week off gets ya. Pitt should have pressed earlier jn the first half. Coming from 13 down away is impossible.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.16.13 @ 3:20 pm

Pitt did not play well enough to win but the entire difference is 10 additional FT points for Marquette. The MADE more FTs than we attempted. The calls, particularly mid-way through the second half, really changed this game in Marquette’s favor.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 3:21 pm

That being said, it would have been nice to come out of Milwaukee with a win but I’m not going to cry over this loss if we do well the rest of the way in the BE season.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 3:21 pm

I hate it when we Marquette look better than they are. Pitt needs to toughen up.

Comment by MariettaMike 02.16.13 @ 3:23 pm

And they outrebounded us. We don’t win when we’re outrebounded. ‘Nuff said.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 3:23 pm

Now we HAVE to beat ND on Monday just to get some separation from them.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 3:28 pm

At Marquette in BB is like at UConn in FB … glad we may never haveto do this again

Comment by wbb 02.16.13 @ 3:39 pm

At least our road loss wasn’t to an unranked team like ND or KY both of whom got blown out.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 3:43 pm

Oy Vey,

I had no idea they were honoring that f*cking 2003 team. That was an immediate jinx.

And what was up with only 11 fouls called on the Warriors ALL game. Home cooking…….

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 3:50 pm

Thought I would have seen at least two “fire Dixon” ‘s on here by now!!! LMAO!!

I guess the Adams sucks comments will have to suffice for the weekend!!!! LOL!!

Comment by Dan 02.16.13 @ 3:50 pm

When your best big man of the game is Sleepy,

you know you probably have lost.

Kiwi Steve & Zanna must have been out….
on the town in Milwaukee last night.
Pretty much both…….no shows.

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 3:52 pm

It’s still less than an hour from the loss Dan-o

Give it some time, lol

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 3:54 pm

Hopefully we only drop a few spots in the rankings.

Should be that way, a #16 losing on the road to the #18.

Makes Monday nite a …MUST WIN !

Another team coming off a loss, ND got clobbered at Providence.

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 3:57 pm

@PittDad
Aw, go ahead and cry if it helps. At least it shows you care. That is really the challenge. Getting kids to show up mentally when it counts.
Pitt’s players weren’t in Milwaukee today. Not sure they made it to Wisconsin.
Someone find them and bring them home please.
Not feeling good about Monday. We lost our heart and we were nowhere near the Bay!

Comment by SFPitt 02.16.13 @ 3:59 pm

@SFPitt – I’m on a conference call, otherwise I would cry or at least whimper. I’m heartened by the attempt to come back in the second half (which we actually won by 3 points). If not for some suspect calls midway through the second half, Pitt might have prevailed. Let’s see what happens Monday and through the end of the BE regular season. Then I will let you know if tears flow.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 4:03 pm

I had a feeling yesterday we were going to lose.

When everyone was talking about Elite 8′s and winning the BE Tourney. And even some mentioned the Final 4.

MOst of us and apparently the team got ahead of ourselves, me thinks :-(

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 4:05 pm

Too many easy looks for M…bad, soft perimeter defense for most of the game…M shoots lights out in the first half…Combine the two and its just one of those games. On to the next game.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.16.13 @ 4:13 pm

That Vander Blue killed us again. Apparently we haven’t learned how to defend him, or he’s much much better than any of our guards.

Trends:

1)Zanna regressed back to being a non-factor 4 & 3
2)Adams was a non-factor 4 & 5 NO Blocks
3)Since his big game, seems like eons ago Zeigler has disappeared off planet.
4) JJ’s game dropping like a rock 5 & 1
5) Teams continue to drop off JR 6 & 3
6) Woodie & Patterson both played over 30 mins
7) 3 starting positions produced 14 pts & 12 rbs
8) Team is still somewhat of an enigma

HTP
VeV

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 4:32 pm

PittDad has an excuse. What about the rest of you? Go ahead men, it’s ok to cry.
But only if you are weeping for the team from Our Lady of the Lakes: those great pretenders from quasi Catholic Land, those gullible lovers of cyber girls, those videographer preying vultures, those creeps who put Billy Gaines on the cover of their ticket after he died, those, those, those mercenary evil people who called us names when we left the Big East.
Nostradamus comes to town. Get out those mock turtlenecks and send a love message to a woman you’ve never met (ain’t a bad idea really). Time for the pride of Gettysburg: The Fighting Irish are here.

Comment by SFPitt 02.16.13 @ 4:38 pm

lol SFPitt

I had a mock turtleneck on last nite, prepping for the Domers.

We are having a ‘Snow Event’ as they call it,
in Charlotte, North Carolina. Always makes for a fun day on the highways & byways.

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 4:46 pm

Thanks SFPitt – if anything, this call is even more painful than the game. And it is sitll going on after 2 1/2 hours.

We have the tiebreaker with two of the teams ahead of us in the BE standings – Cuse and GTown. Marquette has a relatively easy path to the top. The only ranked teams they play are Cuse and ND (if ND is still ranked by then) and both games are in Milwaukee but they are Marquette’s only remaining home games. Louisville gets ND at home to end the season but Cuse on the road.

Gtown still has a home and home with Syracuse. Cuse has the worst – 2 with Gtown, @Marquette and home to Louisville.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 4:48 pm

Small consolation prize.

Two other teams with 4 losses lost today.

The Domers as we all know to PC(54-71) and Uconn lost to Villimanilli (61-70).

So the consolation prize is: at least those two teams didn’t pass us in the standings.

The Zoo needs to get this team psyched from the ‘get go’ on Monday.

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 5:10 pm

Talk of Adams going to nba might go away after today.

Comment by steve 02.16.13 @ 5:20 pm

My single most frustrating player is Zanna. I know he did not grow up playing street ball like a lot of us did, and that his skills are learned over the last 5 years, but geez, I have never seen a player just disappear the way he does in big games.

This is the typical team that beats a Jamie Dixon coached team. Great guard play…hot shooting…just outplayed Pitt in every facit.

Officials or not, Marquette was much the better team today.

And…Notre Dame plays a similiar style of ball. To say they have our number would be an understatement. Very very worried about Monday.
We do not match up well.

My only hope is that this game serves as a wake up call for Pitt. We can not just shuffle onto the court at games start and let another team get up on us early. You have to play with passion all 40 minutes.

Burn the tape and let’s move on.

Comment by Dan 72 02.16.13 @ 5:21 pm

Thanks (for nothing) Pgh. Tribune

No. 18 Marquette pounds No. 16 Pitt, 79-69

Since when is losing by 10 points “a pounding”

Funny when we win by 10,,,,the headline usually reads:

Pitt hangs on to beat Cincinnati

When these local rag sheets have a chance,
they love to take their shots at PITT.

F*ck em !

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 5:26 pm

It was a pounding Emel. They were up 16 most of the game.

Comment by Upittbaseball 02.16.13 @ 6:02 pm

We know Pitt is going to have this kind of game once in while, especially after a week of ego stroking. All is forgiven with a win vs. ND. HTP!

Comment by panther94 02.16.13 @ 6:55 pm

Got to wonder if a 10 man “rotation” is counter productive? Hard to get into flow with all the rotations throughout the game… Just a thought.

Comment by Zero93 02.16.13 @ 7:01 pm

actually Adams played 26 min, Sleepy 14 …and Sleepy had twice as many pts

Comment by wbb 02.16.13 @ 7:45 pm

Fire Dixon. Adams sucks. How’s that Dan?

Pitt will beat the Domers next. No worries. Marquette has always had Pitt’s number. Yes, much like UConn in football. Fuckers!

Comment by TX Panther 02.16.13 @ 8:00 pm

Woodall did not have a good game. Certainly not blaming him for the loss because most of the team sucked, but it is evident that he is more aligned with the success of this team than any other single player. When he plays well, the rest of the team follows and Pitt wins; when he doesn’t they don’t. That’s not ideal because he is not the most consistent player, but thats how it is.

It was a rough game but you gotta look big picture. I thought if they could go 3-3 in the six game stretch that ends with ND on Monday, they would be in a good position. Of course now I want the win Monday and a 4-2 stretch. I think they get ND this year, win 3 of last 4 to finish 12-6 in BE. I still think they are a 5-6 seed. I’ll take it after 1-3 BE start.

So long Marquette. See you in the tourney some year…

Comment by Iron Duke 02.16.13 @ 8:03 pm

somehow that coming from upittbaseball.

doesn’t surprise me.

He only shows up when we lose.

Where you been bro ? haha

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 8:12 pm

This from another article about how sucky college hoops has become.

These playa’s for all their trash talkin can’t shoot. For all their mouthin off they ain’t (emphasis) that good.

“In 1990-91, Southern University led the NCAA in scoring at 104.4 points per game. Arkansas scored 99.6, and UNLV was 4th at 97.7. The 20th highest scoring team was North Texas State at 88.1. Skip to today, Northwestern State leads all teams, with, drum roll, please, 84.3 points per game. Indiana is right behind at 83.2. The top scoring team of today would not even make the top 20 in 1991. ”

http://unlv.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1472077&PT=4&PR=2

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 8:15 pm

No wonder why we have send NBA All-Star teams to play against the Euro’s in the Olympics and World Championships. They’d kick our college players around like a duffel bag. lol

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 8:18 pm

Marquette is 7 and 0 at home this year in league play. The Panthers need to re-group and get over their Notre Dame issues and win the next game at the Pete.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.13 @ 8:23 pm

I was on the UNLV page to see how one Canadian stick figure was doing.

Not so hot, 7 ppg and 6 rpg game, about what stick figure averaged at PITT.

How do you say….sucky in French ?

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 8:23 pm

Another ranked team lost on the road today. Duke went down to unranked Maryland by 2. So, of the top 25 teams that lost on the road today, all lost to unranked opponents except Pitt. Small comfort but it does say something.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.13 @ 8:43 pm

Think we only drop a couple spots in the rankings,
Okie State & Marquette will move ahead of us.
That might be it, as the ones below them mostly all lost this week. (ND, Wisky, etc.)

So many teams from #15 to #25 coming and going in the Top 25 kind of hard to keep track who is in and who is out on a week to week basis.

Can’t remember a year like this, where there are no really great teams and the parity in the Top 50 is paramount.

Might be due to the ‘generic’ coaching around.
Not many old masters of coaching around, at least not in D1. There’s seem to be a misconception that somehow younger is wiser. lol

Things are indeed upside down in this country anymore. :-)

Comment by EMel 02.16.13 @ 9:00 pm

I did not see the game today but anyone who wants to trade Adams, who whas only played ball for 3 years, and one year at a cometive level is crazy. Did you forget about the Cincinnati game?
It may have been playing on a national stage unnerved him.
I agree people who know the game Adams has the higest ceiling of any center in college.
He also has the misfortune of playing for a team that would not be in the top 50 without him and still tries too win without having him being an intraacle part of their offense: 5 shots.

Comment by pittisit 02.16.13 @ 9:06 pm

if pitt’s bigs were aggressive when they catch the ball 2 ft from the rim, trying to dunk the ball instead of laying it up or fading away, this pitt team could go a long way in march.

Comment by scott 02.16.13 @ 9:38 pm

If I could go back in time and talk to 1:00 panther94, I’d tell him that upittbaseball would be on the blather after the game, and then I wouldn’t have to bother with hope today.

Comment by panther94 02.16.13 @ 10:04 pm

JJ Moore still doesn’t seem to get it. He still looks relatively lost out there. He plays the 4 for 23 mins today and has 1 board. How is that possible?

I know he’s out of position, but I don’t think he has the handle to play the 3. At least he doesn’t demonstrate that he does.

Comment by Crackbaldo 02.17.13 @ 12:24 am

Any DC news? Really, what is holding things up? I know we don’t really need to have one right away but the message this sends is more important. If it takes you this long to find someone, there are red flags being raised. Either you are getting turned down, Pitt doesn’t want to spend the money, you can’t make a decision, you don’t know what you want and why, you are lazy, you don’t care, etc. Nothing but bad things from my perspective. Take some time but not this much. Beyond a certain point you really have to ask wtf is going on.

Comment by TX Panther 02.17.13 @ 7:29 am

I have been saying for 2 months now that Moore is not a 4 …. he is playing out of position. And we better hope Adams returns, because Moore wold likely be starting at the 4 next year

Comment by wbb 02.17.13 @ 7:30 am

It would be nice to see some urgency in the order of a full-court press when we are down more than ten points. When Pitt did pressure Marquette with a press Marquette got out of sync. We have a long bench, lets use it on a pressure defense.

A message to the players before the ND game would be to hit the layups like you want to make them – dunk it or get fouled.

If Pitt meets Marquette in MSG they will beat them and it will be fitting. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 02.17.13 @ 8:26 am

Matt House

Comment by frankarms 02.17.13 @ 9:44 am

this loss was not a shocker, given how Marquette has sadly “owned” us, and playing at their home court where they are undefeated, but it hurt badly with our goal of getting the double bye in the BET. A peek at the standings tells you we pretty much have to win out to grab that 4th spot. We have the tiebreaker edge with Cuse and the Hoyas (both with 3 BE losses), but not with Marq and Louisville. GU and Syr play each other twice, and the Cuse play Louisville again, so if we stay at 5 BE losses we can sneak in. If you like the double bye (some don’t).

ND a “must win”, for BE standings and its a BE home game. Pete should be rocking. Zanna and JJ need to contribute, as stated above. Adams needs to rebound (literally and figuratively), and our perimeter D. needs to improve to contain their guards. I look for a big W. on Big Monday. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 02.17.13 @ 9:44 am

EMel, Apparently Khem Birch isn’t nearly as good as he thought he was. Or should I say, nearly as good as his “handler/advisors thought he was. I guess the more open style of play hasn’t helped improve his game. I don’t have a very high regard for guys, who take their ball and go home, because at the first sign of adversity, they flake out. With his defensive quickness and limited scoring ability, he would have prospered under Jamie Dixon’s style of play. I know one thing, he certainly isn’t playing in as good a league or in as big a spotlight as he would have had in the Big East or ACC.

Comment by Justinian 02.17.13 @ 10:28 am

If House, Chryst is a control freak and Pitt is cheap.

Comment by TX Panther 02.17.13 @ 10:33 am

Marquette is tough at home. They have won 23 straight.

Defense, rebounding and bench for Pitt were bad, bad and worse.

Wright, Zeigler and Johnson were awful on both ends of the court.

And Pitt got next to nothing fom the power forward spot.

Vander Blue not only hit everything he threw up, but he took Woodall out of the game.

As soon as Pitt got behind, they stopped even looking inside and settled for too many

Mostly, the effort on defense was poor. At the end of the first half, where the game was lost, Patterson did not fight thru traffic/screen and gave Blue an open look at a three, the Moore did the same thing, and the icing on the cake was Patterson fouling a bad 3 point shooter and giving him three free throws. Then Robinson didn’t get to Blue fast enough for another open three.

Game, set, match.

At least Pitt kept fighting and didn’t quit.

They’ll be favored in every game they play for almost a month (march 14th will be the BE semi’s). Get the ball inside, tighten up the defense, and take care of business.

Dixon should tell the team that he’ll be going to an 8-man rotation for BE and NCAA tourneys. Let them fight it out for those 8 spots. Right now, Moore, Wright and Johnson would be fighting for 1 spot.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 02.17.13 @ 10:39 am

Comming into the Cincinnatti and Marquette games on the road, I thought that it would be terrific to win one of the two. The Panthers managed to do that. So looking back, winning one against two tough opponents on the road is not bad. Pitt now has to beat Notre Dame. I know they haven’t played well against them in recent years, but it’s an important game at home. Depaul took Notre Dame to overtime, twice in the last few weeks and they are just coming off a loss to Providence. Pitt needs to execute and hold serve at home.

Comment by Justinian 02.17.13 @ 10:39 am

I am not surprised at all that Marquette won, after all they are tied for 1st place in the BE and are undefeated at home. If there is a point of concern, it is that they outrebounded Pitt both games, and how ALL of their inside people pushed sround our frontcourt.

I expect Moore to be pushed around, but to win Jamie Dixon style, Pitt needs to be the more physical especially in the paint.

Comment by wbb 02.17.13 @ 12:30 pm

good pt wbb. Jamie is lacking that toughness inside this yr that he has usually enjoyed. No McGhee, no Blair, No Troutman, not even a Toree Morris. Adams will get tougher. I doubt Zanna or Sleepy will ever be BE tough. Moore got stronger but not tougher. Its a big factor. That big dude off the bench for Marquette (Gardner?) was a big factor in our loss.

Comment by Bossdaws 02.17.13 @ 1:29 pm

I have to reiterate about our lack of toughness. It galls me when we take an outside shot, and none of the Pitt front line are in a position to battle for the rebound! Where are they? Where is the coaching during the week? It’s very frustrating, and unless Adams, Zanna, Patterson, & Taylor can show some consistent strength near the basket, we’re not going to be a major force in the post-season! Let’s see how aggressive they are tomorrow night!

Comment by Stanley Schweiger ('60) 02.17.13 @ 1:55 pm

As for DC comments above…

… you have to wonder now that he is giving in-house options to prove themselves and work through somethings while he continues a slower interview pace… PC probably following both options and see what works out best by spring ball?

Comment by Pittscript 02.17.13 @ 2:49 pm

Pitt up 7=0 over Wichita State in Kansas right now. Looking for the sweep over the #32 Shockers in Kansas. Haven’t trailed all series. This baseball team is going to be special this year. I think a College World Series appearance would be even more impressive than a Final Four appearance.

Comment by Pittman 02.17.13 @ 2:52 pm

With all due respect to the baseball team.

I’ll take the Final 4 appearance and since PITT hasn’t been in one and after last season, it would be absolutely miraculous if we get that far.

Comment by EMel 02.17.13 @ 3:57 pm

Read the Providence/ND game story, PC pretty much ran ND off the court. ND has played 3 OT games in the last 2 weeks. One went to 5 OT’s.

With Pitt’s depth, hope Coach has them come out running. I’m sure Brey is expecting Pitt’s usual slow half court game. Be nice if we surprised Brey and played uptempo and use our bigs running and face up abilities. Maybe even press them a little to get the tempo of the game faster.

I know I know…..fat chance. lol

Comment by EMel 02.17.13 @ 4:02 pm

Zeise was saying last night that Patterson was all over the team after the game for not showing up at Marquette.

Should be an interesting game tomorrow……too bad they don’t have a couple more days off so Dixon can kick their rear ends some in practice.

Comment by Jackagain 02.17.13 @ 4:28 pm

Another higher ranked team -Ohio State(13) – lost to a lower ranked team – Wisconsin (20) – on the road. Wait, tOSU got spanked by Wisconsin. We looked bad against Marquette but not nearly as bad as tOSU did today and the difference in the rankings was much greater.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.17.13 @ 4:39 pm

latest fact: Todd Orlando hired as Utah St DC

latest rumor: House to be promoted to DC, and former TN DL coach, John Palermo, to be added

take it FWIW

Comment by wbb 02.17.13 @ 7:29 pm

Wow, that means Chryst didn’t even offer the job to Orlando.

Which I don’t understand since Orlando’s defenses at UConn were always tough with minimal talent.
He has Pittsburgh ties having played at Central.
And having coached in Florida has some connections down there for recruiting purposes.

If you couldn’t get Shannon, Tomsula, then Orlando would have been next choice, imo.

Very perplexing !

Comment by EMel 02.17.13 @ 8:01 pm

@PittDad,

Be interesting to see if they move Wisky ahead of us now in the rankings. Since UW also lost last week to unranked and falling fast Minnesota, besides beating Ohio Fake.

My bet is they will since they seem to have a short memory.

Comment by EMel 02.17.13 @ 8:06 pm

It can’t be House. Some people that mentioned him as a possibility, a poor possibility, a few weeks ago, were called out on here for being negatives, the sky is falling types, and rumor believers!!!!!!!

So, it can’t be House.

Comment by Dan 02.17.13 @ 8:30 pm

If Patterson called out his teammates, my opinion of him jumped 1000%.
leaders aren’t always popular!

Comment by SFPitt 02.17.13 @ 9:26 pm

Pitt Dad….yeah, but OSU usually moves up in the rankings after a loss :-)

You scared me wbb…I thought for a second you wrote Jay Paterno was being hired as the DL coach…lol

Comment by Jackagain 02.17.13 @ 9:39 pm

There is only so much that Jamie can do. Players need to step up and leaders emerge. A little too late in the year for an ass chew by a team leader. Needed that long before. I guess better late than never. I do expect Pitt to deliver an ass beating to the Domers. I would typically say Notre Dame has a chance, but the Pope just resigned so no prayers are coming their way.

Comment by TX Panther 02.17.13 @ 9:40 pm

@TX Panther – he’s still Pope for another 11 days so the Domers are covered.

@EMel and Jackagain – probably right but, as I’ve said before, I only care about the rankings on April 9th.

Speaking of ranked teams playing badly on the road, Miami barely beat Clemson – a team with a losing record in the ACC – by 2. Neither team broke 50 pts and neither shot over 40% from the field.

This is a weird year in CBB. The tournament should be wide open.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.17.13 @ 9:54 pm

Notre Dame is a different team on the road than at home. Still, I am terrified of the game tomorrow. Not a good matchup for Pitt.
Glad to hear about Patterson….my opinion of him has also risen.

Comment by Dan 72 02.17.13 @ 10:35 pm

Tonight’s game, expect a tough battle, a 2-4 point game. Too often I’ve seen the opposition do things against us they’ve never done befor; stellar once-in-a-lifetime games,breakout games. Perform the exception, not the rule. Doesn’t matter that ND has crummy road record. Bray gets inside our collective heads, Cooley has more experience than Adams going in and Grant is the wild card. We need a high level team effort or we could lose two straight. We need toughness and intensity early and throughout. Go Pitt.

Comment by Old School Panther 02.18.13 @ 6:05 am

House has been coaching D for 12 years
Rumor has it he has been taking advantage of Dick LeBeau as a neighbor starting before the bowl game, thus the additional defensive packages for the bowl game.
Not sure I believe it but ya never know.
House is no worse a choice than the others mentioned.
I still think they hire outside.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.18.13 @ 7:47 am

Vegas has a ton of respect for Pitt, -10.5 tonight. They are begging you to take ND.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 02.18.13 @ 7:49 am

FSU doesn’t have an OC yet.

Comment by markp 02.18.13 @ 8:36 am

still hoping Dixon plays Taylor and Adams together, play Adams at 4 (in a zone). Zanna is terrible on the boards – this would allow orevent Adams being doubled teamed down low.

Comment by pittisit 02.18.13 @ 8:46 am

perfect opportunity to try it against N.D. to minimize Colley on the boards.

Comment by pittisit 02.18.13 @ 8:51 am

@Jackagain and EMel – CBSSports.com has tOSU below us. Marquette is at 16, Pitt is 17 and tOSU is at 20, just behind Wisky at 19.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 9:20 am

Breaking news – HCPC to announce DC in a few minutes. My guess is House

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 9:46 am

It is House

http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1473771

Palermo to be LB coach, I assume Haering moves to DB

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 9:50 am

also, Hank Poteat t come in as grad asst for DBs

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 9:54 am

Certainly not the moves I expected when this all started a couple months ago. I don’t think it is nearly as bad as what will be discussed here later today.

Now, I will just have to force myself to avoid the blog for the next week or so to avoid the “I’m selling my tickets and will never be a Pitt fan again” hyperbole!

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 02.18.13 @ 10:10 am

ehh. not the most inspired choice but DC hires don’t sell season tix and don’t make/break programs so not a huge deal.

Comment by scott 02.18.13 @ 10:12 am

Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt – at least through spring practice. If he really is being tutored by LeBeau, maybe he’s learned a few new wrinkles since the (ugh) bowl game.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 10:16 am

Interesting write-up from Eamonn Brennan at ESPN.com on Pitt-ND and WVU-KState.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/76523/saddle-up-big-weird-monday

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 10:28 am

We waited this long for House?

Comment by TX Panther 02.18.13 @ 10:33 am

Defense may not sell tickets but it wins championships. PC must be planning on scoring a lot of points with the type of defense he had against Ole Miss. This is sad.

Comment by Houston Panther 02.18.13 @ 10:36 am

Time to start the next head coaching search. Afterall no one has more experience.

Comment by Houston Panther 02.18.13 @ 10:37 am

It is a typical Chryst move and maybe not a bad one. House is young and energetic and if you look at our rankings last year in the secondary, they were good. Palermo of course coached at wisky but also has southern ties which will open up recruiting in the south. This is what football coaches do. They pick guys who they have ties with. Every team does it! I know it’s not the splashy name like austin but we should fully understand that his drive is in the nfl. I mean he may get a def. coord. Job in the league very soon. So him not coming to pitt is expected. I’m with the previous posters, the sky is not falling and the sun will come tomorrow. This move may be good for Pitt or bad, but guess what? It’s done and we have to support it! Hopefully they two things right this offseason, the Fsu game and going back to the script!! Go pitt! Gentlemen, it’s going to be ok, in Chryst we trust!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 02.18.13 @ 10:45 am

This hire has everything to do with keeping the same defensive system (terminology,etc) and continuity. The absolute last thing this team needs on O or D is to learn another new system.
It is imperative they get to finally build on the previous year.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.18.13 @ 10:49 am

The loss on Saturday was big. Pitt is tied for 5th in BE. Top four teams get a double bye in tourney.

A double bye would be huge. They would only have to win two games to get to the final. They will be favored to win the first game, and depending on the match up, maybe a big favorite.

But for the to happen, Pitt is going to need to run the table and get some help to get into the top four.

‘cuse 9-3
Gtown 9-3
Marq 9-3
‘ville 9-4
Pitt 8-5

Pitt loses the tie breaker to L-ville and Marquette. Has it on ‘cuse and Gtown. For Pitt to jump any of them, they need them to lose 2.

They all have tougher schedules than Pitt. Pitt will be a double digit favorite from here on. Syracuse is the key. They play G-town twice, at Marquette, and Louisville. Georgetown also has to go to Nova and UConn, not easy wins. It is likely (very likely) that at least one of those teams will lose two.

Starts tonight, run the table. Tonight is HUGE.

Comment by boubacar aw 02.18.13 @ 10:55 am

double bye in BE tourney is overrated. see uconn kemba walker title run. playing an extra game, particularly when pitt goes 10 deep, is not a big deal.

Comment by scott 02.18.13 @ 11:03 am

As long as Adams is not in foul trouble or hurt it is ridculous to sit him down even if he is having a bad game. I di not see the game but with him on the bench we are the 2011-2012 team, no inside defensive presence and no rebounding.
Dixon should be hung for playing him 21 minutes.

Comment by pittisit 02.18.13 @ 11:12 am

@scott, you’re right, and a good example.

All in all, though, if I have the choice, I’ll take the double bye!

Comment by Dan 02.18.13 @ 11:12 am

As for House.

I’m behind HCPC. I have no problem if he couldn’t get his guy at SF or maybe his 2nd from somewhere else.

Only problem I’d have, if he had other choices, and S.P. told him they’re not in the budget.

A.K.A. Pitt going cheap again.

If that’s not the case, then good luck to the DC.

Comment by Dan 02.18.13 @ 11:18 am

TX PANTHER welcome to amateur time at PITT.
and i thought they were serious abought football when we moved to the ACC.
he could have hired house 6 weeks ago i guess
they did not want to spend the money on a real
DC .
we are fucked maybe 3 wins next year if we are lucky.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.18.13 @ 11:21 am

This DC hire is a joke. Once again people are giving Chryst the benefit of the doubt, which he doesn’t deserve because he hasn’t earned it. People will question Dixon, a coach who has won 20 games every season he has coached, because he use Trey Ziegler in the closing minutes of a big win over the Cuse, but Chryst, a yet nonsuccessful head coach, does a lame DC hire and it’s all this I trust Chryst nonsense. Please. Complete and total BS.

I was hoping for a split between Marquette and Cincy and we got it. No one in the country would have beat Marquette on Saturday. They were hitting everything. Marquette was always going to be extra ready for that game because they were coming off a double digit loss against G-Town.

Expect a much better effort from ND today because they are coming off a bad loss (all Pitt does is play teams coming off of losses this year). Also, expect a really ugly game because Mike Brey always mucks up the game against Pitt. That is his formula for beating Dixon. I hope I won’t be too disgusted with the ugliness at the Pete tonight.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.18.13 @ 11:23 am

It always seems to me the teams with one bye play the best because they have the time to rest but not so much time that they come in cold and/or rusty. With our depth we will be fine no matter where we end up, but to me 2 days of sitting can be a negative in a tournament.

Comment by pittman4ever 02.18.13 @ 11:32 am

The last couple years a team (UConn and Louisville) came out of the pack to win, true. But before that (since they’ve gone to the current format) a team with the double bye has won.

And for this Pitt team, which is not as talented as Louisville and UConn were, a double bye is critical. Pitt is going to have to grind out wins. They don’t have a Kemba or Peyton Siva who can get hot and take over a tournament.

Comment by boubacar aw 02.18.13 @ 11:33 am

Adams played 26 minutes against Marquette, 3rd most minutes on the team. Given that he had no foul trouble, Dixon should have gotten him 30+, but 26 is barely acceptable.

Anyone who questions Adams toughness isn’t seeing what I’m seeing, especially LATELY. Of the problems Pitt has, Adams toughness is about 20th on the list.

It is easier to get a sense for what is going on IN PERSON than it is on TV. In the Seton Hall game, Adams was a beast. Not only didn’t he shy away from contact with their big guys, he initiated it and worked them over.

The game changes when Adams is in there, he alters many more shots than he blocks. He influences many more rebounds than he gets.

Without him, Pitt is just a little bit better than last year’s team.

On Patterson, good to see him being more vocal. But I would rather see him play better defense. Lead by example. His defense (or lack thereof) was as much a factor in losing the game at Marquette as anything else.

Comment by boubacar aw 02.18.13 @ 11:45 am

The fact that it took 64 days to name a DC who was already in the staff tells me he was not first choice, maybe not even 2nd or 3rd. That to me is the troubling part. I’d love to know who they went after but were not able to land and why.

At face value, this is a meh move. It’s a reach to say that the staff was improved, going from experience to no experience at coordinator, and seemingly not upgrading the southern recruiting ties much if at all with Palermo. I guess time will tell, but I was certainly hoping for more. Maybe in 2 years this will be genius, but I fear it is yet another case with Pitt of “you get what you pay for”.

Lets kick some Domer ass tonight. Sick of losing to inferior ND teams. If karma is anything, we come back late from down 14, get a couple of bad calls to go our way, and win in 3 OTs after their best FT shooter misses the game winner at the end of the second OT. H2P

Comment by Iron Duke 02.18.13 @ 11:49 am

I would rather have kids learn a new system if it meant we wouldn’t get emabarassed on the field by teams like Ole Miss.

Maybe House will surprise and be a good DC, BUT Pitt should NOT be the place where a young kid cuts his DC teeth.

Pitt needed a proven experienced DC with ties to the South. They were probably too cheap and Chryst was not comfortable with people he doesn’t know.

Well sometimes if you pay strangers good money, you get fantastic results. Chryst and Pitt should try that sometime.

Comment by TX Panther 02.18.13 @ 11:53 am

A couple weeks ago, I commented regarding the rumor of House being hired…..

“it would smell of desperation and cheapness”.

I’m trying to keep a brave face on.

Comment by Dan 02.18.13 @ 11:54 am

Cincy was coming off a bad loss at Providence when we beat them – at their place.
Cuse was coming off an OT loss at Nova when we beat them at the Pete.
Nova was coming off a road loss to Cuse when we beat them at their place.
So the loss Saturday was an anomaly that we can reverse tonight.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 11:55 am

If House was indeed the 3rd or 4th choice hence the reason why it took so long, what does that say about the Pitt job?

How is Chryst as a boss? Is he too controlling?

How is Pitt in terms of pay? Is our AD too cheap?

Comment by TX Panther 02.18.13 @ 11:56 am

boubacar you and I think the same about Adams impact on the game. Next year with some conditioning and the only thing he lacks, basketball experience so that he reacts rather than thinks he could be a monster.
How much differnce in his game we’ll see is if the coaching staff encourages him to take his best offensive weapon (15ft. jumper) and how ready Yong is to start at the 4.
Playing for a team with no offensive weapons is difficult enough but when the 4 on your team is ignored so Adams is always doubled teamed it’s impossible.

Comment by pittisit 02.18.13 @ 12:03 pm

Ok, I don’t know anything like many of you do about the potential D.C.’s out there or House’s abilities and experience as you guys who follow football more closely, may have played the game at a high level and even coached do. I do know something about organizations, building programs and staffs and achieving success. Frequently promoting from within is a great way to go if it is based on the individual’s demonstrated work and potential and if the organization is prepared to support him/her’s continued development and progress. (See Dixon, Jamie.) If the organization is not prepared to provide this support then it is doubtful that this is the way to go. (See Fazio, Foge.) Hiring from outside is pretty dicey too in such a case. It seems clear that Chryst is prepared to give House whatever direction and support he needs and certainly House has the the advantage of knowing the staff, system and players so that he has hopefully already hit the ground running. By the way what do you guys think of the other two defensive staff hires?

Comment by OPFIM 02.18.13 @ 12:29 pm

Iron Duke, I could not agree any more. House was certainly not they the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice … kind of reminde me of our favorite AD’s football HC search.

And despite all of the above pro-Chryst comments (or whoever is the current coach as this site has shown time and again) it shoud be apparent that there are issues here … whether it be monet or that the current hed coach has control and/or trust problems.

I have no doubt that House is a promising coaching prospect but the fact that 2 of the coaches on his staff has 3 years cfb experience combined, while the 3rd is completely new to the program should be troubling even to those wearing the thickest blue and gold glasses.

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 12:29 pm

correction: whether it be MONEY or that the current head coach has control and/or trust problems

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 12:31 pm

As someone who has built teams and organizations, let me echo OPFIM and add that we can’t see all that goes on inside the team or among the coaching staff. We see the end result – on the field. I’m not suggesting that Chryst has earned the benefit of the doubt. I am saying that we have to allow him to build his team, give him some time and then judge the result not the process.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 12:37 pm

@Jackagain and EMel – both tOSU AND Wisky jumped us in the AP.

Marquette (17), tOSU (18), Wisky (19), Pitt (20).

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 12:39 pm

Is Pitt really the place for someone to cut their teeth learning how to be a DC? Look, everyone deserves a chance, however the Pitt DC job should be more of a destination than Utah St for pity sake. If there is a high riser DC in the MAC or MWC, or whatever lower conference, then fine, but honestly, are you telling me that the best man for the DC job just happened to be sitting in a different chair at the D coaches meetings all last year.
Ugh, this doesn’t give me much comfort that PC’s learning curve is any less steep after his first year.

Comment by Taxing Matters 02.18.13 @ 12:41 pm

@Taxing Matters. Exactly. And I’m not being negative!!!!!!!!!!

Realistic. If House is the guy for the job now, why wasn’t he two months ago???

Maybe he’ll suprise me and some others, I hope.

Comment by Dan 02.18.13 @ 12:46 pm

Taxing Matters, you also hit the nail on the head. Apparently Pitt is not the upper echelon program that we all hoped that it was .. but instead a place for someone cutting their teeth.

Again, while House may well be a great coach in the future, he is clearly not as accomplished as the Bowling Green DC …. not even close!!

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 12:49 pm

For all the cynics out there (and I am one), I guess the counterargument is Jaimie Dixon,

Like Dan, I hope I am proven wrong but right now, we have every reason to be cynical

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 12:52 pm

This tells me that Pitt is not serious about winning.

There are many far more qualified candidates out there with the experience and results.

House is a 34 year old baby with very little experience at coaching anything. And now he is the DC of a ‘major’ program.

He in all likelihood was hired because he has an easy time saying ‘yes’ Paul and because he didn’t break Stevie’s bank.

Same ole Pitt being cheap. Same ole Pitt fans accepting flawed reasoning and bad results.

And, I’m supposed to take Pitt serious and give them my hard earned money. Fuck em!

Comment by TX Panther 02.18.13 @ 12:54 pm

i hope chas has a post abought the dc hire to night
then i will post more on this DC hire
i cant see how we are serious abought football
with this hire it reeks of desperation
or as Wbb has said in the past a total mistrust of any one he is not connected with.
if you think this was the best DC out there
you have drunk to much koolaid

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.18.13 @ 1:06 pm

I drink whiskey. It allows me to see Pitt for what it truly is. And, I don’t have to accept this hire or trust fricken Chryst. Screw the benefit of doubt. I’m not interested in on the job training for DC’s. The message this sends is very bad. Pitt doesn’t deserve the ACC for football. I just see a bunch of assclowns making the decisions. Total BS.

Comment by TX Panther 02.18.13 @ 1:18 pm

TX PANTHER chryst said he hired house becuse he felt comfortable with him.
he does not say he was the best coach for the job you and i know he cant say that with out lieing.

this is house experence 3 years as a strenth and conditioing coach 1 year as a qulity control coach and 1 year as a db coach sure he is really ready for this job we are fucked.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.18.13 @ 1:27 pm


Hey I hope House is the next Charlie Strong or Will Muschamp, sets the world on fire, and gets hired as Auburn’s HC in 2016. But if he’s that good, why’d it take 2 1/2 months to name him? Clearly something amiss, either $$$, control, personality, or a dash of all of the above.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.18.13 @ 1:37 pm

If it is Pitt being cheap, then we are all idiots for caring about Pitt football. But at least tell us it is because you couldn’t afford a real DC. That way we can all alter our expectations and enjoy Pitt football for being a mid to lower ACC program.

That being said, I don’t see this as a money related hire. I see this being a Chryst I only hire my guys hire. Like someone point out, Orlando was hired as the DC at Utah St. No way Utah St. pays their coordinator more than Pitt. Also, Randy Shannon was hired as the LB coach at Arkansas. Even if a LB coach at Arkansas makes the same as a DC at Pitt, Randy Shannon was begging to be a DC somewhere. I’m sure if the money was about the same he would have went to Pitt to be DC. Look at his staff, they all have past connections to Chryst or someone he knows. Inoke Breckterfield is a perfect example of Chryst just taking one of his guys to be coach. The guy has no east coast ties, it’s no wonder he only got 2 recruits in the 2013 class. I don’t care if Brecterfield is a great D-line coach, the program would be much better off with a mediocre D-line coach who could recruit with the best of them.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.18.13 @ 1:37 pm

The House hire makes no sense. Going into the ACC with such a weak DC makes no sense either. Pitt just hired their former Interim DC who gave up 38 points to 6-6 Ole Miss. Can’t win many games giving up 38 points.

Comment by Houston Panther 02.18.13 @ 1:39 pm

Chris Dokish ?@ChrisDokish
The fact that not every fan is outraged by the Pitt football program’s latest flub is why the administration continues to not give a damn

Dokish has a handful of other choice tweets — he clearly is not drinking the koolaid

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 1:41 pm

Coaches poll is even worse. We fell to 22 with Wisky at 17, tOSU at 18 and Marquette at 20.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 1:42 pm

@pitt dad…
We win tonight and I’m happy. It will be our RPI and not the polls that determine our seeding.

Comment by panther94 02.18.13 @ 1:52 pm

Marquette is the one who has the beef right now with ranking. I think they definitley should be higher than the other 3

Comment by wbb 02.18.13 @ 1:54 pm

@wbb – no question. Amazed at the Coaches’ bias towards B1G 10. AP and CBS are more realistic (at least as far as Marquette is concerned).

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 1:58 pm

I’m a Pitt fan 1st and foremost. Although I’m not excited about the DC hire, I hope it works out. I am not there every day, to see what everyone does in prepartion. John Palermo will no doubt be of help and I think adding him to the staff is good thing. As a Pitt guy, I personally like the addition of Hank Poteat. In principle, I am not opposed to hiring a young coach as defensive coordinator. Maybe Paul Chryst saw some things that we not privy to. I think there is talent on the defensive side of the ball and hopefully, w’ll see a lot of it, in the season to come.

Comment by Justinian 02.18.13 @ 2:02 pm

Too many Whisky guys worries me. When was the last time they won a NC? Fearful for groupthink and the bad results it produces.

Comment by TX Panther 02.18.13 @ 2:07 pm

Wardapalooza, good point about the money. I mean, I sure as hell HOPE Pitt DC doesn’t pay less than those jobs.

Maybe Chryst is a good fit here for the wrong reasons; that is, he too is willing to accept less than the best for a certain level of personal comfort. I hope I’m wrong, but this “hire” doesn’t look good from where I sit in Section 532.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.18.13 @ 2:08 pm

the AD is to blame as much as chryst is for this hire here is why if it was because the AD was cheap
it is on him.
and if the AD was not cheap but he let chryst hire him then it is his fault for not steping
in and telling him to hire some one better.
so eather way the AD is to blame as is chryst.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.18.13 @ 2:27 pm

Sorry for being annoyingly optimistic, and I get all of the good critiques here. Easier to be a Pitt fan being an optimist.

Fundamentally I will go with Chryst’s judgment because it is just his second year and until he proves himself a genius or an idiot I am backing the guy.

It is not money matters, stevie or anything other than this is a HC who is making his decisions to build his program the way in envisions.. and he will live and die by the results. He made his decision based on his options (whatever they really were… would be good to know).

Jamie Dixon but more so Mike Tomlin are examples of many who made the jump… and most comments here if you replaced Steelers and Tomlin it would be a rerun…. he is still a ‘Kid’ at 35ish? Steelers a ‘destination’ job… etc. etc…

- PC made the tougher choice for public opinion/cover-my-ass point of view, so that shows he is building this the way he wants to and will not play to the media or public…

- his ‘safe’ choice would have been a “seasoned” DC with Pitt ties (Orlando) and then if the D blew up he blames him… good way to go if you are CYA kinda guy.

- Here PC made HIS choice and he is going to own it… live or die by it.

- I am not a fan of ‘retread’ coaching hires. Orlando and all these guys are out of work and bouncing around for a reason…

- I wonder if this regime is also counter-trend in terms of recruiting and is not going to fight it out in the southeast where there is a ton of competition… rather going for other parts of the country. And that is not a bad thing… check out U of Miami blogs, etc. and you see how tough it is for them to get Florida talent and how they are complaining.

Bottom line Chryst makes his calls on his timeline and he is not concerned about media and popular opinion… frankly that is the main reason to be optimistic.

W-L next year is all that matters.

Comment by Pittscript 02.18.13 @ 2:42 pm

We all live & breath Pitt, but outside of our circle I’m afraid Pitt football is considered by many a “Career Killer”. For a DC, how many 1st team or 2nd team All-Americans are coming back?, money aside, am I wasting several years under a completely unproven coach. What’s Pitt’s history the last 15-20 years? How many coaches came here to die? I hate being soooo neg., but I’m afraid the AD and football program, from the coaching world are not a good bet for their career advancement. Hopefully HCPC can change that, but perhaps an AD change and focus on fball is really needed. Ask yourself, if you were an up and coming defensive genius, list the top 20 schools where you would like to land, or what coach you want to work under? (You have to take your Pitt hat off to do that.)

Comment by CompLit 02.18.13 @ 2:47 pm

In an ESPN Insider article today, Ken Pomeroy calls Pitt ‘nations most underrated team’

Pitt is nation’s most underrated
By Ken Pomeroy
Special to ESPN Insider

J.J. Moore and Pittsburgh rank fourth in the Big East in adjusted defensive efficiency.
I think it’s safe to say that no team has underachieved its numbers more than the Pittsburgh Panthers. Even after losing at Marquette on Saturday, Pitt has outscored its Big East opponents by 89 points, which suggests it’s more like a 10-3 Big East team than the 8-5 record it currently owns.

And it’s not as though Jamie Dixon’s team has done this against a weak conference schedule. To the contrary, they have drawn the short straw schedule-wise. Among teams in the top half of the Big East, they’ve played easily the toughest conference slate so far, already racking up games against Syracuse, Louisville and Georgetown, with two each against Marquette and Cincinnati. That represents over half of their Big East games to this point.

The eye test, however, is not all that flattering to Pitt. In general, I feel that the eye test often fails for teams that play at a slow pace and don’t shoot particularly well. Over the past decade, Pittsburgh has often been the standard for teams that are able to score deceptively well on a per-possession basis. Dixon’s history as head coach is littered with squads that dominated the offensive boards and took care of the ball well enough to convert unspectacular shooting accuracy into an effective scoring machine.

This season is no different. The Panthers rank 84th nationally in the NCAA’s version of scoring offense, averaging 71 points per game. That’s actually impressively high considering that Pitt ranks as the 14th-slowest team in terms of adjusted tempo this season. In fact, this may end up being the slowest-paced team Dixon has put on the floor in his 10 seasons at Pitt. The Panthers have played only five games with at least 65 possessions. Two of them were in overtime, and another was against DePaul, the second-fastest team in the country in terms of adjusted tempo.

The Panthers haven’t been a great shooting team this season, but it would be unfair to say they are shooting poorly. In conference play, they rank sixth in the Big East in 2-point percentage and fourth in 3-point percentage, although they rarely take outside shots. And therein lies one of Dixon’s secrets: The ability to get a high percentage of shot attempts in the paint allows his team to retrieve a lot of those misses. The Panthers are currently third in the country in offensive rebounding percentage, and if they finish that way it would mark the fourth time in five seasons Pitt has finished in the top three in that category. While Pitt’s offense may not necessarily be feared, the combination of above average shooting and elite offensive rebounding is a good recipe to score points efficiently. And the Panthers rank fourth in the conference in points per possession even against that difficult schedule so far.

I probably don’t need to do much work to convince you that Pitt has a very good defense. The Panthers’ reputation in that area has long benefited from their slow pace of play, even in seasons where that defense might not have been so great at stopping opponents on a per-possession basis. That’s the weird thing about Dixon’s reputation as a coach. In three of his previous nine seasons coaching Pitt, the Panthers’ adjusted offensive efficiency has ranked higher than their adjusted defensive efficiency, and this season is no different.

In last year’s debacle — the first time Pitt missed the NCAA tournament under Dixon — it was the defense that cratered, ranking 151st nationally in adjusted defensive efficiency and 12th in the Big East during conference play. This season, though, the defense is back to an acceptable level for a team that has aspirations of a deep tournament run, Saturday’s Marquette loss notwithstanding. Like the offense, it ranks fourth in the conference.

Jamie Dixon’s Pitt team once again features a slew of top offensive rebounders.
For a season where scoring is down to a historic low largely because coaches have abandoned aggressive offensive rebounding in favor of preventing transition opportunities, Pitt is proving you can crash the glass and play good defense too. (In fact, there are plenty of examples of teams that crash the boards and still maintain a quality defense. Conference-mate Syracuse is another case.)

Of course, it helps to have Talib Zanna and Steven Adams, a pair of big men who are elite offensive rebounders. Dixon doesn’t have to sacrifice transition by sending a bunch of players to the glass. Those two alone do enough work to make the Panthers a formidable offensive rebounding team.

This has been the most underappreciated trait of Dixon’s coaching over the years. His teams are consistently great at offensive rebounding, but it’s not that he maniacally sends a bunch of players to the boards, or even insists on always sending as many as three. He has been able to plug guys into the power forward and center positions who gobble up second chances as well as anyone. This season, Adams has produced as a freshman, replacing what Dante Taylor gave Pitt last season. Before Taylor, there were guys such as Gary McGhee, DeJuan Blair, Aaron Gray, Chevy Troutman and Chris Taft. Every Pitt team under Dixon has featured an elite offensive rebounder and often two.

I don’t know if there’s another coach who is seemingly able to turn any big man into an offensive rebounding force, but it’s not a quality that gets enough attention. This is especially intriguing considering it’s on a team that typically plays at a fairly slow pace and therefore doesn’t rack up huge scoring numbers.

But that quality has allowed the Panthers’ offense to perform well this season, and with a defense that has returned to form, Pitt is a team that should be feared even if its record doesn’t capture your attention. I’ll admit, like most observers, classifying Pitt as one of the nation’s top teams is not something my eyes are comfortable with. But its overall production suggests it could be one of the 10 best teams in the country.

A tough conference schedule, slow pace and outstanding rebounding are hiding an offense that may be judged too harshly by human voters.

Comment by MikePITT 02.18.13 @ 2:55 pm

Pitt Dad and Pittscript, Looks like we are kind of on our own island on this blog at the moment on the dc hire. I’m ok with that and know that you are. That doesn’t mean that P.C. and House will necessarily be successful although I,’m optimistic. Chryst knows his people and the newer guy with the ideas and energy can be a great choice. HTP!

Comment by OPFIM 02.18.13 @ 2:57 pm

I will post this on the post chas will put up later
and i will post it now.
if pitt wins 6 games next year and the D plays
good and i dont count a 38 to 35 win as the D
playing well i will come on here and say i am a jack ass and chryst knew what he was doeing.

but if we win 5 games or less and the D is not playing well you koolaid drinkers come on and say chryst was wrong and he was the jackass that
as fair as it gets.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.18.13 @ 2:59 pm

The House hire is further proof we are not committed to big-time football. Don’t blame HCPC, or even Smilin Steve. The decision comes from the top: Nordy and Cochran. As much as they’ve done academically, it’s time for them to RETIRE. We need administrators serious about college athletics. HTP.

Comment by pittbluegold 02.18.13 @ 3:08 pm

There is something to be said for Chryst being his own man but I can’t understand his lack of caring about public relations. The public includes potential recruits and potential ticket buyers and tv viewers.

Comment by Houston Panther 02.18.13 @ 3:11 pm

@FRANKCAN – no matter how Pitt does next season, even if they go undefeated, you don’t ever have to say you were a jackass. Regular readers on here understand your passion for Pitt.

As I’ve said before, I care less about process or resumes than I do about results. So, I will judge HCPC and his hires at the end of the season. In the meantime, he and they have my support.

HTP!!!

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.18.13 @ 3:21 pm

Well, the rap on HCPC from the very beginning was that he doesn’t like to…or can’t recruit. Then he brings in a highly rated clase his first go round. I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt until given reasons not to.I believe he knows more about college football than I. H2P.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 02.18.13 @ 3:37 pm

hi, my name is Pittscript… and I’m a koolaidaholic… :-)

Well said Pitt Dad on all fronts including supporting Frankcan’s passionate stand.

The junior day just happened so he must of liked how all the recruits and staff interacted? So to that most important constituency he must like how this staff is handling recruiting.

Hey, at least this is not a CYA call where he can blame the coach retread and no one would have blinked.

His team, his staff, his call… and it seems he wants it that way.

Comment by Pittscript 02.18.13 @ 3:43 pm

PittDad, Pitt Script – my feelings as well, HCPC, his staff and their team has my full support…as I said before 6-6 and a bowl bid should be the goals for next season.

Comment by markp 02.18.13 @ 5:16 pm

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