December 31, 2012

So, I managed to make sure I have the day off on New Years. Unfortunately, I could not swing getting free today. Instead, it is complete DVR-delay and avoiding all media until I can get home and watch.

Cinci is coming off their first loss of the season. An ugly game that saw them lose to New Mexico.

The Bearcats play good defense, but their offense is not exactly reliable. Especially against better teams. Where they are especially good is on the offensive glass. One of the best in the country at getting second chances off of misses.

Considering the emphasis Coach Dixon places on rebounding, this should be a battle inside.


I’m worried abut this game because of the weak non-conf and the 8 day layoff. Lesser worries are that the Zoo may be at full force and that Taylor hasn’t been practicing

Comment by wbb 12.31.12 @ 9:04 am

Pitt has never lost to a top ten at the Pete 12-0…Cinn would of been top ten if they would of beaten New Mexico….they’ll surely be out of top ten when the polls come out in a few hours so I guess that record is not in play today.

I too am curious to see how the Zoo turns out today. Taylor hopefully able to guess is Adams is going to be a little help at Center today.

Comment by milo bloom 12.31.12 @ 9:21 am

I had planned on being there today, i’m a bit bummed I’m at work. BUT, since noone is here may as well stream it.

This is the first BE test for these guys, and outside of the Michigan game there has only been one true ‘competition’.

Comment by Benzene 12.31.12 @ 9:25 am

Too bad you’ll miss it…your going to miss getting the 2 million attendance gift.

Comment by milo bloom 12.31.12 @ 9:29 am

Noon, eastern time, game right guys on espn2? Need to get my errands done quickly this morning…liquor run. I have skipped work today. Most of my workplace will skip out after lunch anyway. Benzene, you could develop flu like symptons at around 10 this morning and head home couldn’t you?

Comment by TX Panther 12.31.12 @ 9:39 am

They beat us on New Years day, last year at the Pete, we can’t lose to them twice in one yr at the Pete, can we?????

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 10:13 am

Pitt is a 6 point favorite in Vegas. Pitt needs to own the glass and make this game easy.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 10:23 am

Heading to The Pete. Big game, we’ll see today what this team is made of. H2P

Comment by Iron Duke 12.31.12 @ 10:54 am

I hope the Pete is geeked up. We need a faster start than we have been getting. Will the Zoo be back from Holiday?

Can’t wait to see who steps up and elevates their game.

Comment by gc 12.31.12 @ 11:44 am

At the Pete

Keys for Pitt

*points in the paint – need 30 from the 4/5.
*keep Cinci from penetrating. Pitt guards and small forward have to force Cinci to take jump shots.
*control tempo – huge game for Robinson. He can’t let Cinci speed him up. Pitt needs to their offense. And for that to happen Robinson has to do what he’s been doing.

Sparse crowd so far, as expected. Pitt by six is encouraging. But truth is we don’t have any idea about this team yet. Can’t wait to find out!!!!

Comment by Boubacar Aw 12.31.12 @ 11:47 am

Bobby Knight on color today. I always learn something from him but he is already bitching at Pitt and Cinncy’s early soft schedule. Sounds like one of us. Hail to Pitt!!

Boards Boards Boards…boys

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:04 pm

.cheap one on Adams, should have made free throw.

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:07 pm

Good start for Pitt up 4-0 …terrible call on Adams.Adams needs to learn not to put the ball on the floor in the paint..

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:08 pm

Zanna put back

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:10 pm

zanna fumble

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:10 pm

Woodall with a Brooklyn under and up.

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:13 pm

Pitt up 8-2 and playing terrific defense, Missing 3 wide open 3’s or this game would really be a rout early. Pitt broke the first man full court press of the season with ease. GREAT boards so far!

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:14 pm

Clemente RIP

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:15 pm

Patterson looks lost so far. Out of position causes a Pitt to on Robinson.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:16 pm

Pitt really needs to run it up early while Cinncy is stumbling

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:17 pm

Ziegler in and turns it over

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:18 pm

and another for Trey

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:20 pm

Gets pulled

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:20 pm

Two to’s for Zeigler Pitt ice cold from the floor..

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:20 pm

Pitt up 12-4 but way toooo much dribbling by our offense. Jamie all over em to give up the ball and cut.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:23 pm

Alco – how many empty seats? Zoo filled?

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:24 pm

Pitt shooting 54% Cincy 9.1% Jamie pleased

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:25 pm

Cameron Wright improved about 1000% this yr

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:28 pm

Robinson with three mistakes in a row leading to Cinncy runouts…He will learn…stop the damn dribbling…14-12 Pitt at 10 minutes

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 12:30 pm

Pitt 7 to’s Cincy 4

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:36 pm

I hope those who said wright would never amount to anything are enjoying your portion of crow. Folks forget that most freshmen, like Adams, aren’t finished products.

Comment by Velvil 12.31.12 @ 12:38 pm

Way too many TO’s..they look nervous to me…

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 12:38 pm

Off topic and different sport, but is there any chance Pitt gets back that O-line coach that was lost to the Chicago Bears now that the head coach was fired?

What do you think?

Comment by A 12.31.12 @ 12:38 pm

Ziegler back in, look out.

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:45 pm

I’d rather see us shorten the bench to 8. Durand Johnson and Ziegler make my eyes bleed

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 12:47 pm

What a bullshit call

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 12:48 pm

These officials are horrible. 22 fouls through 16 minutes of basketball??? Give me a break

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 12:52 pm

Ziegler 1 foul and 2 to’s, no wonder cmu was glad to get rid of him.

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:52 pm

How is that a foul on Pitt? It’s either no call or a double foul or, more likely, a travel on Cincy.

Comment by Pitt Dad 12.31.12 @ 12:53 pm

This is going to be a long year with BE refs…it’s going to be hard to watch.

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 12:53 pm

Officiating is ugly today. Call on Robinson was truly a phantom foul.

Comment by Velvil 12.31.12 @ 12:53 pm

Adams 5 bounds

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 12:55 pm

Sloppy half by both teams.

Comment by Mailman 12.31.12 @ 12:56 pm

Adams looking strong

Comment by gc 12.31.12 @ 12:59 pm

Cincy kind of reminds me of pitt almost a decade ago — a lot physicality but not much athleticism – and poor foul shooting.

I’m hoping that Pitt’s depth will continue to carry them to being a better 2nd half team as they have been for almost all of the preseason

Comment by wbb 12.31.12 @ 1:03 pm

Maybe these cheap calls are to get us ready for the ACC’s blue bloods?

Comment by Lou 12.31.12 @ 1:03 pm

Anyone else love when Bobby Knight does the commentary? Good first half despite the sloppiness. You have to believe TO’s and fouls will be cut way down in the 2nd half.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.31.12 @ 1:11 pm

Didnt see much of the Panthers so far so the first time I really watch a team I try to take an unbiased view and look at the team. Only one half , but what stood out so far:
1. Cincy is alot quicker than Pitt – really get after it on the ball pressure. Gave Pitt a little bit of problems.
2. Pitt once again has no one that can give a consistent perimeter shot. Watching the shooting form of some will make you coaches gag.
3. Pitt team defense ALOT better than last year. Starting with Dixon doing away with the hedge on the ball screens that caused nothing but fouls and mismatches. Only took 7 years , but somthing clicked in.
4. I wouldnt take Robinson off the floor. Real steady presence.
5. Really like Zanna. Just steady, no nonsense, does all the little things.

Comment by Z-Boy 12.31.12 @ 1:13 pm

Bobby Knight is probably my favorite commentator in any sport.

Comment by Mailman 12.31.12 @ 1:13 pm

If we’re not getting the close calls in our own building, this will be a long season. That 4 point play for Wright was a joke.

Comment by Pitt Dad 12.31.12 @ 1:13 pm

Right on PITT Dad!! Play your game Panthers. HTP

Comment by DC33 12.31.12 @ 1:19 pm

Make no mistake about it….the BE will be screwing Pitt all season out the door.

Pitt better start making some 3’s…

Knight has been a big fan of Pitt because of their team play, passing and defense.

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 1:26 pm

No foul call on that loose ball? Unbelievable.

Comment by Pitt Dad 12.31.12 @ 1:27 pm

Knight calls out Taylor

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 1:29 pm

I’m starting to like Cameron Wright

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 1:31 pm

Someone tell Zeigler that this isn’t the MAC.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.31.12 @ 1:34 pm

o pts from Taylor and Adams

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 1:36 pm

Pitt has been playing one good half and one lousy one most of the year. I guess this is the lousy one….

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 1:41 pm

Adams 4 fouls, big trouble

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 1:42 pm

Cincy’s full-court press has really thrown off Pitt’s offense this half. Why do we always struggle trying to break the press? Does Jamie not know how to coach this?

Comment by Lou 12.31.12 @ 1:45 pm

Woodall late to the spot, Cincy up 5

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 1:45 pm

Team struggling to show organization.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.31.12 @ 1:46 pm

Really disappointed in Pitt. Agreed on the press…it’s killing Pitt as it does every year. Cinncy senior defense is schooling Pitt’s kids. Cinncy looks much tougher and Pitt cannot find the basket. Really upset with Zanna and Patterson. See no difference in Zanna at all. He is a waste of a uniform so far. Patterson not far behind. Pitt down 7 and could easily be down 16.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 1:48 pm

This is what I was afraid of when I said young and untested. Well they are being tested now.

Will anyone step up? What is wrong with Moore?

Comment by gc 12.31.12 @ 1:49 pm

Pitt out scored 26-11 in the second half. Does not appear to be even that close watching.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 1:49 pm

Pitt never makes a team pay for pressing with fast break buckets…..when they do beat the press they just set up the half court offense.

Until Dixon changes that teams will continue to press.

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 1:50 pm

One last thing before another drink. I have had it already with Pitt’s atrocious foul shooting. Form is awfula and results worse.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 1:50 pm

The wheels have come off

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 1:51 pm

This is why you schedule actual teams

Comment by TonyC 12.31.12 @ 1:51 pm

Why don’t we ever try working the ball into the low post? What’s the point have 6’11 and 7 footers if we aren’t even going to give them touches in the paint?

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 1:52 pm

Taylor, of all people, making a couple of baskets underneath, to close the gap…a little.

Pitt will need SOME kind of perimeter shooting to get back in this one.

Comment by Lou 12.31.12 @ 1:53 pm

Wright fouls Woodalls man

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 1:53 pm

Tony C – remember a comment you made earlier and it holds true today…Pitt is getting nothing out of it’s post position players…NOTHING!

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 1:54 pm

Pitt is getting just murdered inside…

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 1:55 pm

And we can’t rebound to save our life

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 1:58 pm

Cinncy up 5 with 3 minutes left. Their last 12 points in Pitt’s paint and they own the boards.What a sad commentary.. Now Pitt getting crushed on the boards.,,this is really ugly

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 1:58 pm

That possession just killed Pitt…

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 1:59 pm

Adams is a waste of good height!

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.31.12 @ 1:59 pm

Cashmere Wright is everything I expected from Trey Ziegler.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.31.12 @ 1:59 pm

Pitt down 7 and fans streaming out. Where are any of our shooters? Rebounders? Press beaters? Leaders? defensive players??

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 2:00 pm

Same old, same old. Same team different names. Style never changes.

Comment by frankarms 12.31.12 @ 2:00 pm

I’ve said it every game of every year, and I won’t stop saying it because I’m not a flip flopper: Steven Adams is simply not a talented basketball player. Maybe he will be, but for now he is not.

Comment by MikePITT 12.31.12 @ 2:01 pm

Waited too long to attack the press. Too passive.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 12.31.12 @ 2:01 pm

No concerns about one and done for Adams
He has a lot to learn grnerally speaking
and needs tons
of work on his offensive game.

Don’t be discouraged. Cincy is a solid

Comment by JR 12.31.12 @ 2:02 pm

Best comment of the day CNorwood! What a disappointment Ziegler has been…so far.
This is a very young team

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 2:03 pm


Comment by MikePITT 12.31.12 @ 2:04 pm

Woodall you friggin bum!

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 2:05 pm

Tra, Tra, Tra

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 2:05 pm

Pitt adds foul shooting to their many problems as Woodall again misses front end of 1/1 which could have pulled us within 1 point

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 2:05 pm

Woodall just wet himself

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.31.12 @ 2:05 pm

We had no business being in that spot anyway, so who gives a shit about Woodall missing now that I think about it.

Comment by MikePITT 12.31.12 @ 2:05 pm

Pitt 0-8 from 3 point range to add to the debacle and 2 did not hit the rim.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 2:06 pm

Jamie’s shine is quickly fading

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.31.12 @ 2:06 pm

Pitt looks like an 8-9 seed to me….not one 3 at home? Pitiful shooting display..

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 2:07 pm

Last comment of the day…

This team better take this loss seriously. It’s a joke that we only had one loss going into conference play, anyhow. This loss better hurt. It better hurt to lose on national television and lose your ranking in front of the first full crowd all year. It better hurt that people won’t come back. It better hurt that you have a 7-foot player who can’t play with his back to the basket. It better hurt that you miss key free throws and blow chances when they’re handed to you.
Best of luck to the Panthers moving forward. This loss is important, but if they underestimate it, then what are we really expecting out of this team.

Comment by MikePITT 12.31.12 @ 2:08 pm

Someone needs to drop Adams off in the hood for a few months. He lacks toughness. All of that good size going to waste.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 12.31.12 @ 2:11 pm

Being a Pitt fan is never having to say your suprised with disappointment! Pitt has looked like a Jr.Hi team playing a HS Varisity in the second half. They have committed just about every basketball sin ever invented. Utterly schooled by a mediocre Cinncy lead. Pitt will lose this one by double digits. My two most unforgivable sins and ones that will kill us if unfixed;
1. Abysmal Foul Shooting
2. Handling the press.

Every other team will see that and go for our jugular. I would say that Jamie has his work cut out for him, but it appears he and his staff have been remiss at that work so far.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 2:12 pm

Same ole story, until Dixon makes a concerted effort to establish a post game with Zanna/Adams/Taylor, we will struggle offensively versus better competition.

Through the years, we ALWAYS used to work the ball down low to the likes of Christ Taft, Chevy Troutman, Aaron Gray and Dejuan Blair. But after Blair left, there seemed to be a shift in the philosophy, obviously Gary Mcghee wasn’t a dynamic offensive talent, but we haven’t attempted to have a low post presence since.

When PITT was at its best in the last 10 years, it started down low. I just can’t believe Dixon won’t go back to it. I’d rather take my chances with our big men posting up then continuing to let Woodall, Patterson and company throw up long jumpshots or running/fading away drives that end up missing bad.

Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 2:13 pm

LOL….Drop him off in the hood. He lacks energy, passion, skills, attitude and drive. He is awful. After the embarrassment last season Dixon better get it together.

Comment by Upittbaseball 12.31.12 @ 2:16 pm

Just like the Michigan game and most every other game this year… decent half and crapped the bed in the other half.

These guys are not a top 30 team IMO and will beat few teams playing only 1 half of BB. They are young in some places but they better wake up fast.

Dixon better go out and a get a shooter for once in his life for ACC play…

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 2:16 pm

I said it last year after Long Beach and ill say it again. I will take 10-8 RIGHT NOW

Comment by TonyC 12.31.12 @ 2:19 pm

You don’t win the close games, if can’t make your foul shots. After the steal and quick basket put the Panthers within three, Trey Woodall, for the second time, missed the fron end of a 1 and 1. You just can’t do that and win close games. It looks to me like they have an awful lot of work to do.

Comment by Justinian 12.31.12 @ 2:19 pm

This was more about Pitt being bad than Cincy being good. Cincy is not a top 10 team either, but that doesn’t make me feel any better about Pitt. This really sucks, Pittsburgh sports have killed me for the last like year and half. Unfortunately, it seems there is no end in sight.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 12.31.12 @ 2:22 pm

Bench needs to be shortened. Too many poor percentage shots taken. Zanna disappears against good competition. Have to pass over the press. As coach Knight was saying, way to much dribbling going on. More bad foul shooting. Got to get more O out of Moore, he seems to be an afterthought. Robinson trying to do too much, more O needs to go through Patterson. Few easy buckets. Too many extended scoring droughts.

Much work to do, but they will get better. Still waiting for a leader.

Comment by gc 12.31.12 @ 2:24 pm

just like last year. we suck again. blah

Comment by rhyno527 12.31.12 @ 2:26 pm

Went to the game. Adams plays the game with knees locked in an upright position on offense. I don’t care how tall you are you have to move.
No flow on offense.
Cincy IS solid. We are not.
I would start Taylor health permitting.
I would bench Tray.
This IMO is the price for playing LaRoche college 9 times before conference play.
Time will tell but we go on the road and I see us starting out 0-2.

Comment by SFPitt 12.31.12 @ 2:26 pm

Hey when do CBI tickets go on sale?

Comment by BATR 12.31.12 @ 2:36 pm

The Panthers didn’t look or play very well in the 2nd half. I think Taylor has to play more. As for the guards, I wouldn’t have anyone on the court at the end of game, who can’t make his foul shots. If you want to be in a the end, you better show that you can make them when it matters.

Comment by Justinian 12.31.12 @ 2:40 pm

3s are such a part of CBB and the fact that we didn’t hit any today is a shame, add poor free throw shooting and an inability to break the press, all adds up to a bad loss at home and a blue print for others to follow. Prees, pack it in if they happen to get into half court offensive, let Pitt shoot 3s and put them on the line instead of giving up easy shots.

Comment by Pittastic 12.31.12 @ 2:41 pm

We will be lucky to split the next 2 on the road at Rutgers and G’town. My blood pressure still has not returned to normal. Don’t mind losing to a better team, it happens…but the gross fundamental mistakes this team made are inexcusable. Zanna and Patterson are wastes of unis in big games. Tray is simply too slow to compete at this level. Poor Robinson, he had to fight double teams all day and do the yeomans’ work against the press. He will grow up fast.
Great comments on the lack of any post play. This is a potential NIT team.

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 2:44 pm

Justinian, none of our guards can make a foul shot. how is that possible?

Comment by gc 12.31.12 @ 2:51 pm

People calling out Zanna???? He lead the team with 16.

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 3:20 pm

Pitt will rebound. I still see them as a 6 seed. Ball handling and turnovers did them in. They need to pass more and dribble less. Drive the lane and dish. Why wasn’t anyone up high to help Robinson break the press. Why were bigs playing outside instead of down low in their normal positions. Played a sloppy game today. This was a winnable game but Cincy has better athletes. Wasn’t all that impressed by them but give them credit for bouncing back and winning. I’m going to start the drinking now.

Comment by TX Panther 12.31.12 @ 3:25 pm

Pitt’s 3’s today: 0 for 10. That says it all. If they would have made just 30% of their 3’s they would have tied the game.

Cincinnati was not good from the file line line either, they just had more attempts thanks to Pitt.

This Pitt team will never be a contender unless they start making their free throughs.

Comment by MariettaMike 12.31.12 @ 3:29 pm

pitt was overrated bye us played a weak non com
bunch of cup cakes.
we will be just as bad as last year many on here last year said he had bad asst coachs wich means if right it was becuse of asst that he won all thoes outher years.

i dont know what is happening but if we have a bad
year agein maybe it will be time for him to go.

maybe it is miller time if he will come home from AZ.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.31.12 @ 3:30 pm

Top 5 Reasons

5. 4 pts from the 5 position
4. 0-10 from 3 pt range
3. outrebounded
2. 8 day layoff
1. weak non-conf schedule

Comment by wbb 12.31.12 @ 3:32 pm


Where would you put

Starting 2 freshman on a team that was 17-16 and 5-13 in conference last season?

Surely that has to be in the top 5.

Or have we all conveniently forgotten how awful this team was last year?

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.31.12 @ 3:39 pm

Shoulda played Mercyhurst and Gettysburg College in the non-con to toughen us up a bit against stiffer competition!!!

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 3:58 pm

What was the turnover to assist ratio? That has to be another reason. Cincy was more prepared. Knight said that new mexico loss helped them mentally.

Comment by TX Panther 12.31.12 @ 3:59 pm

Wow… lot of haters up in here. Step away from the ledge. Were 0-1 in BE. I want to see more sample size before worrying about a loss to a very good opponent.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 4:01 pm

What is knights connection to pittsburgh. He said his first baseball game was at age 8 at old forbes field with his mom, aunt and grandmother. Does he have family in the area. I do like his color commentary. I learn a lot about the game from him.

Comment by TX Panther 12.31.12 @ 4:01 pm

Gotta disagree.

Cincy 25-35 free throws 72%

Pitt 15-25 free throws 60%

Coming down the stretch in crunch time:

Cincy 14-16 88%

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 4:02 pm

I’m nowhere near a ledge, nor a hater.

That was one of the shittiest halves of basketball I’ve seen Pitt play in quite awhile.

What, want me to come on and sing ‘Hail to Pitt’??

And I’ll hold my judgement on Cincinnati being such great competition and a great team for a month or two also.

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 4:04 pm

I don’t know Dan. I watched most of the games last year and I’m pretty sure I saw 20-30 shittier halves of basketball in the very recent past.

One 3pt and/pr one or two of Woodall’s FTs and we are having a different discussion.

Our A/TO was horrible (12/9), but it was better than Cincinnati’s (7/8).

How does Steve Adams NOT SCORE a single point?

We are going to win more than 5 conference games this year. We’re not going to win the regular season, but this team is going to better than 1 game over .500.

In case everyone forgot, we were 17-16 last year in the regular season.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.31.12 @ 4:14 pm

And the Adams hate? He’s only been playing with his back to the basket for about 5 minutes. What do you realistically expect from him?

As for nonco(mpetitive) – it’s pretty standard fare for major conferences. U want major con opponents? You’ll need to schedule home & homes and hope your opponent is good from one year to next. Not sure travelling to play dog opponents in Nov is ideal for your student athletes. Mid majors do it for $ and much needed exposure. Pitt has nothing to gain on either of those fronts

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 4:16 pm

wbb I think you got it pretty much right though no excuse beacuse of a lay off and I would move the outrebounded in second half to top of the list.

CNorwoodAZ the freshmen were not the problem..if anything Woodall 3 for 9 and Patterson 3 for 9 were the problem…..Woodall especially took some terrible shots in 2nd half one in particular he took way too early that allowed and easy fast break basket since nobody was ready to defend for Pitt…that caused a crucial 4 point swing when Pitt was hanging to the lead.
Patterson passed up a wide open 3 pointer at around the same time that ended up with turnover and a basket for Cinn.
The veterans need to make those plays in those type of situations. And Woodall can not miss that free throw that could of brought the game to 1 at the end.

No doubt disappointing but I still better about this loss than I did when they lost last year to Cinn..need to win at Rutgers next week though.

Comment by milo bloom 12.31.12 @ 4:21 pm

Cinci made good adjustments at half and Pitt didn’t respond. Pitts played equally shitty halves in games this year which they ultimately won.

To date Pitt’s been remarkable efficient on offense and solid protecting the ball, especially considering its frosh starting PG. Isnt Pitt tops or near tops in NCAA d1 in asst / game? Christ – its one bad game!

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 4:24 pm

Cincy basically got in Pitt’s ass defensively. Position by position cincy was quicker than Pitt. Very hard to overcome that. I would bet that not one of Pitt’s starter would crack the starting lineup for Cincy. Coach would say too slow. Not saying that he’s right, but just an observation of styles. Also, what is wrong with POSTING UP on the blocks. Put somebody on your back on call for the ball. From what announcers were saying Cincy’s post players were inexperienced. I dont buy the concept of Pitt’s big men being to weak or not used to playing like that. Your 7 foot, somebody in the program TEACH these guys how to post up and then TEACH them what a post move looks like. Besides maybe getting some baskets this could also alleviate alot pressure on the permimeter for our guards who are going to be hounded all year.

Comment by Z-Boy 12.31.12 @ 4:27 pm

Pitt got beat at home, by 9, after leading by 8 at the half. Just to recap.

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 4:31 pm

Hey – is it possible Malcolm Gilbert could have gotten a few defensive rebounds today? Is it possible he could have scored a point?

We should all be grateful. No suspense about making the NCAAs this year on selection Sunday, and no angst losing to Upper Prairie State in the round of 16 this year. C-B-I! C-B-I! C-B-I!

The bloom is clearly off the Howland-Dixon lily, but at least Howland managed to beat a top 10 team so far. FRANKCAN – you stole my thunder – it is indeed Miller time now. Maybe we can red shirt Dixon for a year, and see if he gets the message and transfers.

Comment by PO'd Panther 12.31.12 @ 4:32 pm

“Pttsburgh is not getting a lot of scoring opportunities. There’s a lot of standing around.” Bob Knight 12/31/12

This doesn’t describe a lack of players. It describes a lack of coaching.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.31.12 @ 4:36 pm

The Mayan’s were wrong people – it’s not the end of the world.

Yes, Pitt should have played a tougher non-con BUT Cincy should have as well … not a reason why we lost this game.

I think a perfect storm of rust (8 day layoff after a lackluster game) and Cincy coming off their first loss of the season contributed to this loss more than anything.

They’ll be better against both Rutgers and G-Town. Adam’s will improve and progress against the BE schedule just like he did in the non-con. It will be an adjustment though.

I’d like to Moore get involved earlier and more often – He only played 10 mins despite only having one foul and no turnovers. He is Pitt’s one true scorer and should have been given a chance when Pitt went cold in the 2nd half – THAT is squarely on Dixon. I’m a HUGE Dixon supporter but he should have played more (pun intended). Ziegler’s 9 minutes were a waste and Patterson certainly did not have a hot hand today.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 12.31.12 @ 4:48 pm

It is miller time.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.31.12 @ 4:49 pm

It’s been my opinion that Jamie Dixon has been hurt by the loss of some key assistants in more ways than one.

Obviously, nothing that happened today changes that.

Posted here earlier that those getting excited at beating up on small schools might want to “curb your enthusiasm” until we see what Pitt does when it plays in a tight game against a well-coached, equally talented team.

The funny thing is I truly believe Pitt was the more talented team today.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.31.12 @ 4:49 pm

There are many times I wished I had not coached basketball, albeit High School, for 16 years. Listening to Bobby Knight is not one of them. His insight often is too technical for the average viewer but to those of us who played and coached it is pure Gold.

The times I regret it are like today, watching a Pitt team make unconscionable fundamental mistakes which I know can be (should have been by now Jamie!) fixed. The single thing that concerns me most is not today’s lost game. They happen.
It’s the year after year trend with Jamie’s teams.
Poor form foul shooting that never seems to get fixed; inablility to handle being presseed and making the other team pay for pressing you by scoring easy run out baskets, inability to get into an offense against the man/man defense. While I agree on the 1-4 vs the Flex offense, Pitt has run the same plays so often, other teams are 2 plays ahead defensively stopping any chance of a decent shot. I wish I didn’t know this stuff sometimes because I like Jamie Dixon and know deep in my heart he is a good coach.

I still think Zanna and Patterson are no more than average players and Tray Woodall less than average. Adams is a major project and Taylor will always be “sleepy”. Robinson has a huge upside and he and Duane may be the best freshman Pitt has had in years (at the perimeter)but you can not dump the entire game on Robinson’s back.

Today, I cannot tell you how many times against the press, Zanna, Woodall, Patterson, Adams, Taylor et al stood around watching Robinson dribble for his life bringing the ball up court 1 on2. As Bobby Knight said 21 x and I counted…”move your feet”

Oh well, the old adage …you are never as bad as you look when you lose..still is in force.

Happy New Year to all the continuessly disappointed Blatherites! As Grace Slick once said “it’s a new dawn!”

Comment by Dan 72 12.31.12 @ 4:52 pm

Pitt starting 2 freshman, neither is quite ready for prime time. Cincy press really challenged Robinson today, showed some frosh cracks. As I have said since game 2 Adams is a HUGE project. He is farther from the NBA than Aaron Gray was as a freshman.

Pitt is most lacking a go to scorer to break out of offensive funks. It ain’t Woodall – he is as erratic as ever. It ain’t Moore, he can’t play D well enough to stay on the floor. Patterson is the closest, but he seemed to lack confidence in his shot today. Bad start, but still a long season. Cam Wright and Zanna bright spots but neither can carry a team.

Comment by Iron Duke 12.31.12 @ 4:54 pm

Bobby Knight is from Orrville, Ohio. Played
at Ohio State with Jerry Lucas and John
Havichek (sp?) on the national championship
teams. FYI

Wish he would do the commentary on
all of Pitt’s games.

Comment by JR 12.31.12 @ 4:56 pm

Dan72… Amen brother!

Comment by PittofDreams 12.31.12 @ 4:58 pm

Watching Black Monday go down in NFL, some thoughtful Philly fans have raised a good question – who are you going to find who’s an improvement on Andy Reid? I’m not sold that Miller is the answer. Then again, I’d never dream of dumping Dixon like the knee jerk set on this board

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 5:01 pm

A last addendum…

Nothing new, but Jamie seems to let his nerves get the best of him in crunch times. At times “rattled” might be an accurate description.

But even more than that it’s the lack of fundamentals and cohesiveness that’s been Pitt’s undoing over the past couple of years.

Gotta believe these were overcome in the past probably by a couple of assistants who are no longer here.

They were actually the ones making lemonade out of lemons, not Jamie.

Comment by PittofDreams 12.31.12 @ 5:07 pm

@Iron Duke
The ‘cracks’ Robinson showed were due to getting no help. He was put in poor positions and it made him look uncomfortable at times. He still only had 1 turnover. He is ready for primetime . The 2 guys that I most enjoy watching are Robinson and Wright. They attack and fight the whole game. Cam Wright’s improvement over the offseason cannot be overstated. The kid has made great strides. This team should improve and get better as the season progresses. Not sure when it happens, and it will happen, but when Robinson develops a good outside jumper his game will really takeoff.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 12.31.12 @ 5:10 pm

This was about the upper class players failing, and the younger players — Robinson and Wright — trying to make something happen. Adams changes the game when he’s in — key is, when he’s in — and Robinson is way advanced for a freshman. Patterson, Zanna, Tra and Moore really need to step up — especially Tra.

Comment by velvil 12.31.12 @ 5:21 pm

Good Post Dan72 I was at the game so missed Knight’s insight on the game but I do enjoy watching games he is covering even when not Pitt.

Iron Duke…’He (Adams) is farther from the NBA than Aaron Gray was as a freshman.’ I can still remember when Gray first came on the court in 2003 at Pitt..If you would of told me he was going to play in the NBA some day I would have fallen over laughing considering how lost he was on the court and how soft he looked…Adams is already a lot further than Gray was as a Freshman…That said Adams still has a long way to’s his first Big East game…he’ll pick it up.

Replacing Dixon talk is just stupid..I guess we need a Pitt man as head coach since Pitt’s BB history is so spectacular.

Comment by milo bloom 12.31.12 @ 5:22 pm

Velvil..couldn’t agree more..Woodall has to step up…his best games this year was when he only took a couple of shots. He made a lot of bad ones today.

Comment by milo bloom 12.31.12 @ 5:24 pm

I blogged about this, this morning on Yahoo.
Had a hunch we might get the short end of the BigEast officiating stick, since we’re leaving and UC is staying. Sheesh they shot 35 FT’s to our 25, in OUR BUILDING.

Granted we stunk it out on 3’s but did outshoot them in FG% 44 to 41. And not much scoring out of the 5, which could be a problem all year against better teams.

Oy Vey !

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 5:30 pm

Bottom line is that this team is not prepared for Big East play. You can claim that most other “big” programs play LaRoche college 9 times and you might even be right.
But it doesn’t matter.
This team is not ready for big east play and will start the season in conference play @ 0-3.

Comment by SFPitt 12.31.12 @ 5:45 pm

Several posters mentioned this and is a continual Pitt theme thru the years.



And to further compound the problem, if you don’t do that, YOU’RE HAVING TO BEAT THEIR DEFENSE TWICE. Once in the press across halfcourt and 2nd in the halfcourt offense. Good defensive teams will eat you for lunch.

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 5:46 pm

If they start 0-3 SF, it’s gonna be a long year.

Gotta beat Rutgers, before the G-Town game.

Team didn’t play very well against Kennesaw scoring only 59 points and then the 8 day layoff.
Wonder why we didn’t have another rent-a-win game in between. Could have used it.

BTW, Both Adams & Sleepy are better in the transition game since neither can play with their back to the basket ! And Adams in particular is faster down the court than 99.9 % of the Centers he’ll be opposing. Food for thought !

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 5:54 pm


U give bearcats a lot of credit – they lay out both a full court press and stiffling half court d. Pitts problem was the press taking them out of their 1/2 court set O. That’s very fixable once they work as a team to beat press. Nothing to panic over

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 5:54 pm

Adams is going to the NBA. The only question is whether it’s this year or next. And as far as fouls, they were even until Pitt started the foul-a-thon to close the game — not to mention misses on the first shot of the one for ones. This is a talented team that suffered from a weak non-con schedule, and a week layoff. Blame the coach all you want, but they’ll be much better by the end of the year if the upper classmen lead.

Comment by velvil 12.31.12 @ 5:57 pm

@Ghost, I love Dixon. Have defended him ad nauseum the past year or so.

I’m commenting about todays game. It was horrible. You can’t question that.

Me not liking todays game, (or most others) does not mean we don’t love Pitt, Pitt hoops, Dixon , nor does it preclude a lot of us from thinking Pitt will end up possibly a top 20 and tourney team.

Now, not arguing or being sarcastic. I have not read all the posts, not nearly.

How many people have called for Jamie’s head??

I did see a couple half-hearted comments about it, but keep in mind, all over the country on hoops or football boards, you’re always gonna have a couple of those people.

I personally thought todays game was absolutely awful. I still love Pitt hoops, think they may have a good year.

Todays game stunk, that’s all I’m speaking about.

I’ll comment again Saturday after the Rutgers game. If we stink, I’ll say so. If we play well, I’ll mention the good things I saw.

Happy New Year to you, and all Pitt Blatherers!!!

Stay safe!! I’m stayin’ in, so I’m allready covered!!!!

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 5:58 pm

Emel..couldn’t agree got to make a team pay for pressing..Pitt very rarely does that, they are always just happy to get past half court…with the passers they have they should be getting some easy baskets in the press.

As far as refs..the calls were pretty even…23 to 20 and Pitt had extra fouls because of fouling at the end. and certainly not the reason lost today….plus there is no such thing as ‘Big East’ refs…the refs are free to ref in any college game in any conference and most do..Cahill who was one ref today who made a lot of whistles does almost as many games in SEC and ACC as he does Big East…
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That said I thought the refs should of ate their whistle a little today..for both teams.

Comment by milobloom 12.31.12 @ 5:59 pm

(or most others), meant most other fans on here, not most other games. Just clarifying.

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 5:59 pm

Vulcan, don’t get me wrong. I love Robinson. He is advanced for a freshman, and he will be great, but the pressure affected him today. I wouldn’t say he was rattled, but he did struggle. No shame, Cincy is all over the court and very fast. Good experience for him.

Milo, the thing about Adams is that all we heard was he was a sure one and done, so perhaps my assessment is born out of frustration. He has far more potential than Gray, but at the moment he is offensively inept. He can barely catch and has zero post game.

Look, not “blaming” the freshman, just saying that’s what they are, compared to Cincy who is an experienced Big East team. Its gonna be trial by fire this year. Cindy not a great team, but they are experienced and scrappy, and agree with several comparisons on here to Pitt teams of the past decade.

Comment by Iron Duke 12.31.12 @ 6:01 pm

On another note…The Big East continues to crumble..Boise State now out and gotta figure San Diego St is going to do the same thing… step closer to seeing the ACC tourney in Madison Square Garden down the road!!!!

Comment by milobloom 12.31.12 @ 6:06 pm

The press wasn’t the problem…how many turnovers were against the press? They would press the first pass and then play man-to-man full court. If you notice, everytime Pitt got the ball in, they cleared the floor so our PG could bring it up one-on-one.

The problem today was no go-to scorer and lack of execution in the half-court sets, lack of rebounding especially on the defensive end in the second half, free-throw shooting in the 2nd half. Also, they don’t look inside at all, and when they do, the passes are down by the waist instead of up high so the bigs have something to work with.

Comment by Joe Bull 12.31.12 @ 6:07 pm

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Can confirm @JDiPaola_Trib’s report that RB Corey Davis and TE Brendan Carozzoni have left the team and will not travel to Birmingham. #Pitt

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Comment by Kenny Powers 12.31.12 @ 6:08 pm

Iron Duke..Adams has better hands then you are giving him credit for..his lack of being aggressive is hurting him though.

He was only listed as one and done because of his potential..not because he was ready to play in the NBA..I think people get confused about that…in some books he still could be a one and done because an NBA team would take a chance on what he can become.
But considering how he has stated he wants to stay in school for a while and learn at Pitt I’m fairly certain he’s here for a couple more years.
Considering how bad Gray and McGhee were in freshman year and what they became, I’m excited about watching Adams get better.
That’s what I love about watching Dixon’s teams… every year we see freshman who you think are never going to be any good grow each year and by the time they are seniors they are leaders on the team.
To see two players like Robinson and Adams start so much ahead of the normal kids is exciting. (And also why Dante has been disappointing.)
Only Chris Taft and Blair do I remember starting out at a higher level this early.

Comment by milobloom 12.31.12 @ 6:20 pm

Full court pressure doesn’t have to create turnovers to be effective. Pitt was setting up offense late and were out of sync in the second half largely due to the pressure.

Comment by Iron Duke 12.31.12 @ 6:21 pm

So does that mean Pitt can recruit 30 this year? What is the max we can take? Need a RB then. Depth is pretty thin.

Comment by TX Panther 12.31.12 @ 6:22 pm


Thing is, didn’t we know Cincy was going to press.
They did what a lot of press teams do. You start off in a more passive press, see how the opposing team handles that.

And then you ratchet it up a notch, see if that cracks the other team. If it doesn’t you ratchet it up another notch, which is what appears to have happened in the 2nd half.

While it didn’t produce a ton of turnovers it did rattle PITT’s halfcourt offense.

But again, I’m assuming we scouted Cincy, watched their tapes, etc. Surely we should have been prepared for their press. Just sayin.

Hopefully Rutgers doesn’t press. Mike Rice is a pretty good coach and knows us pretty well.

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 6:24 pm

@TX Panther…sure does.

Corey Davis didn’t play this year at all, and was #5 RB on the depth chart. The TE didn’t play either and we’re pretty set at TE with JP Holtz and the Scott Orndoff coming in. So…..NBD

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 6:30 pm

Milo I agree aggressiveness is not there. I think it is all moving very fast for Adams right now, which is probably why his hands look bad – he’s trying to make a play before he has the ball. I haven’t seen every game, but in the 7-8 I have, I haven’t seen Adams make a post move yet. Again, not saying he won’t develop, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to be a factor on offense this year.

Comment by Iron Duke 12.31.12 @ 6:32 pm a perfect Pitt BB world Dante would of been ALL Big East his senior year and Adams would be fighting for minutes and we would be OK watching him learn..sadly not the case and we need him to play well now to win.

Comment by milobloom 12.31.12 @ 6:38 pm

U give bearcats a lot of credit – they lay out both a full court press and stiffling half court d. Pitts problem was the press taking them out of their 1/2 court set O. That’s very fixable once they work as a team to beat press. Nothing to panic over

Comment by Ghost of Hornman

Once they work on it as a team? LOL….teams have been pressing the Panthers ever since L’Ville starting killing us in BE play with it.

And the reason is because Dixon will not allow the guys to make them pay with fast breakout passes. They have nothing to lose by pressing if all Pitt does is try to get past the timeline and set up their half court offense. You have to break the press!

Comment by Jackagain 12.31.12 @ 6:44 pm

I hear you Milo. I guess I got my hopes up for this year based on the Adams hype. I think we’re a year away. Happy New Year buddy.

Comment by Iron Duke 12.31.12 @ 6:54 pm

I think CINCY started 3 seniors and 2 juniors. Next game on ESPN 2 at 11 am Saturday at ST JOHNS. Always look forward.

Comment by frank MD 12.31.12 @ 7:09 pm

@Bull, when the Bearcats pressed, Pitt took the full 10 seconds to get across half court, and they never recovered. Pitt was unable to get any sort of offensive set, so yes-the press was effective, and it caused at least one turnover when Pitt had a backcourt violation called.

Comment by Lou 12.31.12 @ 7:13 pm

We had 18 turnovers against Cincinnati last year AND the year before that. We averaged almost 15 TOs per game in conference play last year.

Today we had 9 turnovers which lead to 4 Cincinnati points. We had 2 turnovers in the 2nd half.

Also, it probably won’t mean much to some, but Cincinnati’s 4 best players are 3 seniors and a junior. Our best player is arguably a true freshman.

Not trying to make excuses, but can we get just a tiny bit perspective/reality/memory? Cincinnati is a VERY good, experienced (scrappy) team that brought just about everyone back from a team that went to the Sweet 16 least year and was a cold shooting 8 minutes away from the Elite 8. Wow!

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.31.12 @ 7:13 pm

My bad. I unwittingly repeated a few things that some folks had just posted recently. Had to refresh my drink mid post.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 12.31.12 @ 7:18 pm

A guy in the know told me Pitt recruiting has suffered since Antigue left. Brandon’s not the recruiter “O” was.

Comment by alcofan 12.31.12 @ 7:20 pm

lol actually it’s gone downhill since Barry R. left.
Which dried up our NYC connections.

Skerry left after one year and one Birch.

Biggest asst. coach loss was Tom Herrion who could tell Dixon things and he would listen. Nobody on the staff like that since he left.

Wonder why Antigua left? Anyone.

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 7:42 pm

OPPS It is Rutgers on Saturday.

Comment by frank MD 12.31.12 @ 7:42 pm

Hey this guy might be available.

Since we like to bring back former employees who left. (we all know how well that has worked out)

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Happy New Year’s Eve Everyone !!!
Drink safely my friends !

Comment by Emel 12.31.12 @ 7:52 pm

U don’t have to score off press any more than the pressing team doesn’t need to force turnovers. UC goal was to disrupt Pitt’s halfcourt offense and it worked. Pitt could have beaten pressure and forced UC out of position in their halfcourt, either exploiting with numbers or creating easier looks.

Every team is going towprk a young team

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 7:59 pm

A young team is going to get tested outside its comfort zone. Its way too early to pass judgement on this. I’d like to see the flexible and deep lineup deployed to adapt where necessary

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.31.12 @ 8:06 pm

I’m not giving up on this team. What I’d like to see is steady improvement throughout the season…that and winning at least 1 of the next 2. Too many times we’ve seen the team peak early and then everybody else catches up at the end. I don’t think we’ll have that problem this year as our freshman should improve greatly throughout the year.

Comment by panther94 12.31.12 @ 8:11 pm

allegedy Antigua contacted Calipari who took him in as his top assistant at Memphis and brought him along to Kentucky, probably a raise in salary especially at UK

Comment by wbb 12.31.12 @ 8:14 pm

Jamie was out coached today. Team had no idea of how to attack the pressure. Too much dribbling as Knight said more than once. They needed to attack, not spend the entire clock setting up.
This group is much better suited to handle press than last couple years, a little work and they should be ok.

Comment by Jimbo 12.31.12 @ 8:16 pm

Growing pains showed up big time in the 2nd half. Shocked at the rebounding collapse. So Robinson is a human as well as a freshman to boot. He felt the pressure. Surprised Woodall choked at the free throw line when we had a chance to reel Bcats in. Have got to find more minutes for Taylor because he wont be pushed around like Zanna and Adams. I know, I know he’s a fouling machine that cant stay on the court. Must get more from Patterson. Time for him to step-up! Love to listen to Coach Knight but he is lookin kinda frail. UPone

Comment by UPone 12.31.12 @ 8:23 pm

I thought Robinson did fine today, all considering. He is not going to blow by anyone, he is not that fast, and even if he was, Dixon would tell him not to. What the problem is when Robinson hits a gap or draws two defenders two him , he needs to pass it and then that next ballhandler needs to be aggressive. This is the problem. How many times did Robinson pass to a teammate who just stood there , not taking advantage of the numbers, and waited for Robinson to get open again.

Comment by Z-Boy 12.31.12 @ 8:31 pm

Really impressed by robinson. In a way he reminds me of sean miller without his shooting touch. Didn’t know cincy had so much experience. That counted in this game. Like others have said, the press took Pitt out of their half court game. I think this is easily rectified going forward. I will be drinking safely Emel. The wife will be driving my drunken ass home tonight.

Comment by TX Panther 12.31.12 @ 8:52 pm

pitt’s offense has too many people standing around. needs to be more dynamic. robinson will be fine, thought he did a commendable job today vs. a ton of pressure. pitt’s bigs need to get their shit together. sleepy is the hoops version of tino. just never going to be a difference maker. adams is so raw, needs to find a mean/aggressive streak to survive and succeed in big east. zanna took a step back today, imo. this team really needs jj and zeigler to become dependable scorers, especially in crunch time; they’re the only 2 who can create their own shot. hopefully, it’ll develop over the season.

Comment by scott 12.31.12 @ 8:59 pm

They said ACC had to start winning some of their big bowl games to get some respect.

Ga. Tech 21 USC 7

Clemson 25 LSU 24

Not to mention Va Tech sending Rutgers off to Big 10 with a loss and soon to be fellow member Syracuse sending the hoopies reeling back to the Big 12!!!

Can’t win em’ all, NC State lost to Vandy and Cincy got a late score to beat Duke.

Much better than previous years, especially the Clemson LSU game, if you’re a college football fan and missed that one, shame on you. Fantastic game!!!

Let’s go Pitt, beat SEC Ole Miss!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 11:26 pm

@Dan, that was unreal. Now we need to take care of Old Miss.

Comment by panther94 12.31.12 @ 11:31 pm

The Clemson game was a great game! Why did LSU throw on 2nd & 3rd and short so late in the game?
I saw several fb players at the game today. Dan Mason looks like his old/new self.
Wonder if he will play in this game. He was on the phone or I would have asked him.

Comment by SFPitt 12.31.12 @ 11:31 pm

By the way Pitt Ath. Dept, Chas has said he knows for a fact that they look in on the Blather at times………

notice anything about LSU and Clemson at all???

Well, most college football fans would tell you in about 2.5 seconds walking by the t.v., who was playing.

Their uniforms, about the same as they’ve had for the last 40 years.

It’s called tradition. They don’t do gimmicks.

By the way, Pitt had that same tradition, Pitt was known across the country. Even in bad years.

Another by the way, Pitt had more tradition than both of them in the 70’s and 80’s, so, it’s not just because they are top 10 teams now.

I could give you a list of teams in the BCS, that pretty much haven’t fooled with gimmicks, whether they are a powerhouse, or just have some good years every once in awhile.

It’s who they are, and who we should have never gotten away from, and who we should return to be.

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 11:36 pm

SFPitt and panther94, ya, wasn’t that good football?? Enjoyed immensely.

SFPitt, ya, said the same thing, announcers too, “what are they doint”.

First down, ok I guess, I little bit chancy, but caught them off guard. Next two downs????????

Hey, sorry about the rant on the uniforms.

There is a method to my madness.

I post those comments every once in awhile, because of Chas saying, the Pitt Ath. Dept does read this blog, or knows of people at the Ath. Dept. that have confirmed to him that they do check it out.

So, I like to rant about it a bit, in the case of them missing it at times.

It’s a bore I know, please just scroll on by.

Yep, let’s get Ole Miss!! HTP!!

Comment by Dan 12.31.12 @ 11:40 pm

Keep it up, Dan. I support that 100%

Comment by panther94 12.31.12 @ 11:54 pm

Happy New Year, fellow Panthers!

Comment by panther94 01.01.13 @ 12:00 am

2013 is most welcome …. has to be better than 2012

Comment by wbb 01.01.13 @ 8:17 am

Pitt has lost its overall toughness and agressiveness on defense and still can’t make free throws down the stretch. And it doesnt help that we still lack a consistent 3 point shooter.

Thank goodness we loaded up on the cupcakes this year to pad the record otherwise no shot at the tournament again. Dixon needs to do some serious re-evaluating on his coaching methodology. Ever since the loss to Villanova for a trip to the final four this team has looked unorganized, confused, mentally lacking, unfocused, soft and inconsistent just to use a few adjectives. Really disappointed that Dixon doesn’t have this team ready.

Comment by Coach Ditka 01.01.13 @ 8:28 am

Really surprised by Pitt’s lack of rebounding in the second half. The lack of offense from the low post is disappointing. The ball doesn’t even get into the low post even when Adams or Taylor are open.

Comment by Gdodson 01.01.13 @ 9:04 am

Coach Ditka, they had a #1 NCAA seed just 2 yeasr ago and lost in the final second to a team that made the NCAA title game .. and that was a couple of years after the Villanova game.

I do agree, however, with your other points. He has to not only schedule better opponents, he needs to play at least one or two away games … and I’m not talking neutral floors

Comment by wbb 01.01.13 @ 10:00 am

I think the lack of rebounding had something to do with playing zone which definitely affects the block-outs.

Comment by wbb 01.01.13 @ 10:03 am

The offensive showed little imagination – mostly standing around, I don’t think Adams or Moore even took a shot

Comment by markp 01.01.13 @ 10:25 am

CINCY game reminded me of MICH game. Like Pitt ran out of gas, rushed shots, no rebounds, no running of offense sets, etc.

Comment by frank MD 01.01.13 @ 10:59 am

Hit a few 3s and it’s a different game. This team needs a Gibbs or Ramon.

Comment by HbgFrank 01.01.13 @ 11:11 am

The offense was the most efficient offense against Cincy this year, per Pomeroy. That means they were doing more than standing around. But the 3 point shooting was a killer. Just hitting 30% makes it a different game.

Comment by velvil 01.01.13 @ 11:33 am

A couple of 3 pointers would certainly help, but the inability to make foul shots at the end of games is a killer. When your ball handlers are guys who can hit their free throws, you close out your games.

Comment by Justinian 01.01.13 @ 11:45 am

Happy New Years All…a good point WBB that I had not thought about. Jamie had to put Pitt in a 2-3 Zone as they were getting out physicalled in the man defense and rebounding is a “bitch” out of a zone, especially against an experienced team. Still, getting crushed like they did on the O boards because of lack of effort/position was deflating.

As I think back about the Cinncy press and full court pressure, I cannot for the life of me understand why Jamie did not bring our centers, either Taylor or Adams to set up a high post at half court and throw over the screen….instead of letting Robinson take his man/men one on one and use up precious seconds getting the ball over half court while the rest of the team stood around waiting for the ball. Maybe he just does not trust their ball handling skills yet, but I bet you see in in the next game. Opponents now, will press Pitt coming out of the locker room.

Inbounding the ball to the near corner double team, time after time, still baffles me.

The next best way to beat the press (other than throw over it)is to press back. Pressing teams hate to be pressed back. We have 10 players in our rotation…why we do not press is beyond me.

It’s easy to “Monday morning QB” and I never lost a game…the day after thinking about it which brings me to my last point. Do we have an assistant coach like BRorhson,that can help Jamie manage the in game “chaos” and make better decisions. We have seen very bad decision making since the Butler debacle several years ago. A good relationship between HC and assts. is huge

Oh well, it’s only one game. I hope we are not having this discussion again on Saturday evening.

Comment by Dan 72 01.01.13 @ 11:49 am

Steve adams is much better with his back to the guitar ! What NBA team is interested in center that averages 0 pts. A game ?!

Comment by ROCKY20 01.01.13 @ 12:05 pm

Who is the leader on this team?

Comment by TX Panther 01.01.13 @ 12:55 pm

thats a good question, TX Panther. Nobody is stepping up as the leader. the go-to in the clutch. Lamar should, but doesn’t. Robinson will develop as that leader. He wants the ball when the game is on the line. Our seniors certainly aren’t. I love Tray’s heart, but he blew a big chance to tie or win that game (I was there too). If he makes those FT, we are down 1 and don’t have to foul in the last min. big choke.

I am disappointed in our 7 footer too, but Adams does bang. He was beating on no. 33 for Cincy but got some bad fouls called on him. He is raw and needs an offensive game, but our guards don’t even look for him on the pick n roll. He needs to better position himself for putbacks, but I still love his potential. We lost because we couldn’t hit a 3, got outrebounded badly in the last 3 min, and Cincy MADE their FT. It was a very physical game and we got out-physicaled (word?). Have to fix that.

I agree with the above comments on breaking the press and getting quick baskets. Our half court O sucks right now. Love Jamie but he better review the film on this one. Mike Rice will.

Comment by Bossdaws 01.01.13 @ 1:37 pm

In the post game Jaime Dixon talked about how he kept telling the team to be aggressive and push the ball in breaking the press. For some reason they consistently seemed to be content to dribble the ball across half court and setup. Unfortunately that didn’t leave a lot of time to execute. Then they ended up taking runners in the lane, tough threes and other contested shots. There was little working the ball inside as there had been in the first half.

In the first half Pitt went zone primarily because Tray Woodall and James Robinson each had two fouls and Trey Ziegler had played horribly. In the second half it was primarily because Wright and Kilpatrick, and to some extent Parker, were killing them by getting around and into the lane. Pitt’s rebounding out of the zone was terrible.

Pitt was so much better on defense in the first half. It seemed like Cincy didn’t even get a shot off in their first few possessions.

I was at the game, so no replays. I would have loved to have seen some of the foul calls. Why is that? It’s kind of annoying. It can’t be purely UP policy since they show replays at the football games.

In my opinion Cam Wright played the best of any Pitt guard in this game.

Comment by Barvo 01.01.13 @ 1:51 pm

I’m hoping Rice has another melt down and goes Bobby Knight on his players. I expect his team to play tight given he’s back from suspension and they’re afraid of an ass chew and beating.

Comment by TX Panther 01.01.13 @ 1:54 pm

TX, you are absolutely right, no leader or leaders.

It’s going to have to be Robinson, because no one else wants to step up. It probably should be Woodall or Patterson, but so far they have not shown up.

We have not had a leader since Wanamaker. Robinson is a freshman, who is not a scorer, and with only 2 assists yesterday can not take over a game.

Cashmere Wright took over the game yesterday. We had no answer. Wright was also 6-7 from the line and Kilpatrick was 9-11. Our guards were 6-12 and Zanna was 4-8. We had 10 less attempts. Far from a winning formula.

Patterson is the key, he must play better, he was 4-12 in field goals and made all 5 of his ft’s.

I still don’t get why Moore only played 10 minutes. He is our best offensive weapon. Is his D that bad? Patterson was 0-5 for 3’s. He did lead with 4 assists. He played 32 minutes to Moore’s 10.
Ziegler played 9 minutes.

I guess Taylor only played 14 minutes because of injury.

The combination of no 3’s and no easy dunks or put backs from Adams and Taylor was the key. Add poor foul shooting and it is amazing we still had a chance if Woodall made the key free throw.

This team will be better than last year. They need to learn how to win and I think they will. It may be a rough start though. No more cupcakes.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 2:06 pm

Dixon appears to be coaching by himself. Other coaches look like deer in headlights. Gilbert probably looked at Adams and said to himself, Adams isn’t going anywhere for a couple of years and I don’t want to be a backup that long when I can play for a lesser program now. This team really needs someone to step up and be “THE GUY”.

Comment by Wayne 01.01.13 @ 2:39 pm

Food for thought.

Since our 3 tallest players are ALL finesse players, and they can all run for sure. Adams I would say is probably the fastest Center in the conf. running from baseline to baseline. Sleepy and Zanna have wheels as well.

Why not use this unusual foot speed Adams has for a 7 footer and play an uptempo game. Let Adams beat his man up court and pickup the easy layups and dunks, as they did against Delaware in the 2nd half, which turned into a rout when they started playing uptempo. Neither Adams or Sleepy are particularly effective in the halfcourt since neither can play with their back to the basket and neither are adept at getting position.

We’re going to see against better teams, what happened against Mich & Cincy, when you have no legit inside guy in the low post, they can run out at your 3 point shooters and make those shots a lot tougher. We only got 4 points(all by Sleepy) from the Center position in both the defeats. So if we don’t start getting some production, as in at least 10 ppg out of the 5, it’s going to be a long year.

Easiest way I see of getting at least 10 ppg out of the 5 is get them out on the break, score in transition. Again Adams can really run for a big guy, GOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT !!!

This team needs to get some easy buckets instead of always having to work extremely hard in the halfcourt to get a bucket.

As Coach Chryst says often, you coach to the strengths of the players. This teams glaring weakness is halfcourt offense. It’s strength is big guys who can run and a deep bench. So pickup the tempo, create some turnovers and run, run, run.

Comment by Emel 01.01.13 @ 2:46 pm

Emel, I agree, But don’t expect a dramatic change from Jamie. Also would fit Moore’s game better.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 2:51 pm

It seems to me that when the team needs a leader, it should be the senior guard.

I too wonder why Moore is not being utlized more … and I believe the reason is that he, like so many before him, is playing out of position (he is not a 4, especially against BE Teams.)

THIS IS WITHOUT QUESTION DIXON’s BIGGEST FAULT … due to attrition or just not recruiting wisely, too many of his players are not being used optimally

Comment by wbb 01.01.13 @ 2:52 pm

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Should we pounce on some recruits this weekend?!

Comment by tedsptman 01.01.13 @ 2:58 pm

Agree gc

It would fit Moore’s game, Adam’s strength (running), Zeigler’s game and even Woody is better in transition as his lack of height at the 2 isn’t as big an issue.

And by speeding up the tempo, you would tire out teams with not as deep as bench.

Happy New Year ! btw

Comment by Emel 01.01.13 @ 3:15 pm

Give Cincy some credit for Pitt’s 3pt. o-fer, Pitt had very few open looks. Patterson passed up a couple which was a mistake. He needs to take those shots.

Woodall should be the leader. But like Gibbs last year, he just isn’t. I don’t know what to make of him. When he’s on, he’s great but is lackadaisical at times.

Moore made 2 bad defensive plays, one in each half and was on the bench right afterwards. It doesn’t appear to be lack of effort but poor decision making regarding when to hand off his man or when to help/not help.

Suddenly Rutgers is a big game.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.01.13 @ 3:23 pm

Got to say, that slowing things down and playing the traditional Pitt halfcourt offense is playing towards the weaknesses of the personnel on this team.

You have no Center who can receive a pass on the blocks or foul line and score, or do the inside/outside pass to free up a open look 3.

And you don’t have particularly good shooters when they are open. For if they aren’t open or are closed out fast, they can’t create to get an open shot. The PG, while good for a lot of things, shooting isn’t one of them right now.
So he is not a threat to score from the top of the key.

So now what you’re looking out, is almost no offensive production from 2 of the 5 positions on the court. That being Center & PG.

Any good coach is going to see this and hedge/double team on the other 3 players on the court.

If you don’t go uptempo I could see where this is going to be quite the dilemma. Uptempo can mask a lot of your problems/deficiencies.

Comment by Emel 01.01.13 @ 3:27 pm

@ Iron Duke

Buttgers is huge. For they are traditionally a BigEast cellar dweller or close to it.

It will be an indicator of where PITT is trending,
upward or downward.

Don’t know how this plays into it. Cincy had a pretty good barometer of what they had and a very tough game (actually lost) to New Mexico, a couple days before the Pitt game. New Mexico had been #16 or so before getting beat at home by South Dakota State Jackrabbits of all people right BEFORE they beat Cincy. Don’t know what that says about the BigEast this season. I digress.

Anyway, Buttgers goes up to play Syracuse at the Carrier Dump tomorrow night. So they are going to learn exactly what they got for sure and will be battle tested. Again don’t know how that’s going to play into our visit on Saturday to Piscataway, interesting to note though.

Comment by Emel 01.01.13 @ 3:47 pm

Emel, Pitt did have some run opportunities and pulled back. Agree they need to do it at least a few times a game to show that they can. You’re right, they’ve got the personnel.

Comment by Iron Duke 01.01.13 @ 4:06 pm

Check this out.

ESPN/USA Today poll

PITT had been moved up to #22 yesterday

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We got to win on Saturday

A lot of these teams in the bottom 10 of the Top 25 lost (Mich St., SDSU, Mizzou, Okie St., New Mexico, UNLV). So we could still be ranked next week, but we got to win on Sat., hopefully convincingly.

Interesting to note, after New Mexico beat Cincy they go to St Louis U and get clobbered, were down by 20 at halftime, 33-13.

Go Pitt !

Comment by Emel 01.01.13 @ 4:23 pm

I’m not liking New Year’s Day insofar as football games.


Give me New Years Day circa 1981 or so.
You probably had 1, count it one… Little 11 team playing on New Year’s Day in the Rose Bowl.

That was it, and that was enough.

They have really screwed up college football, especially New Year’s day. ! :-(

Comment by Emel 01.01.13 @ 4:43 pm

I am not as concerned about ratings as I am with this team getting better. I think with the need for some uptempo play, I agree we need to press on D once in a while.

We have become one dimensional and predictable.

Jamie needs to grow as a coach as well, and I agree, he needs to utilize his player’s strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Round pegs in square holes are to be avoided. Another long depressing season would put him under the microscope.

Let’s see how they do on the road, another new experience. The RAC and Georgetown will be major challenges.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 5:06 pm

I too miss the old days on New Year’s day, when the games really meant something. Oh well time marches on. The Michigan/ South Carolina game was entertaining.

I am too old to be fighting much of a hangover, but the pork/sauerkraut/kielbasa are a worthy tradition.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 5:10 pm

I like Emel’s idea of running more. Dixon should coach to his teams strength. At this point in his career Adams looks lost with his back to the basket.

Comment by Wayne 01.01.13 @ 5:48 pm

Emel, did you know the New Mexico lost to St Louis yesterday, and the final score was much closer than the gae itself … lobos were losing by 20 or more for much of the time

Comment by wbb 01.01.13 @ 5:53 pm

The day Jamie Dixon let’s his team get out and run and gun, I will buy you all a bottle of Chivas!

Comment by Dan 72 01.01.13 @ 6:10 pm

According to Chris Peak at the Pantherlair, Tyler Boyd will make his decision this saturday.

He’s only made one official visit that was to Pitt. Boyd even recently stated that if he were to decide on saturday, it would probably be Pitt.

Take that with a grain of salt, we all know what happened with Foster, but it would be great if we can at Boyd to this recruiting class

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Comment by Kenny Powers 01.01.13 @ 6:26 pm

I like Jamie Dixon but something just isnt the same with this team. Players, assistant coaches, head coach, hunger?

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.01.13 @ 6:43 pm

Atlanta – every team is new. They are all a crapshoot….how they mix, practice, lead, play d etc.As a coach, you can think you know, plan for the right mix,etc. but until they take the floor for that first tough game, you simply do not know.

This one has raw talent but needs a lot of refinement. Jamie is not a coach that will adjust a lot to the talent. He makes them adjust to him.
That’s just the way it is at Pitt. Maybe Jamie’s formula doesn’t work anymore…or it hasn’t worked to get us past the NCAA 16 to this point.
But it is HIS way. I think in another 2 years, we will have a final decision on if it’s the right way.

Comment by Dan 72 01.01.13 @ 6:53 pm

I know i’m old school but I just love the way Wisconsin runs its offense. If there is a do-over, I guess it would be that Burgettestown’s B Alvarez would have neem hired in ’90 as Pitt’s HC instead of Hackett

Comment by wbb 01.01.13 @ 6:56 pm

@Dan 72
Great observation. You may have summed it all up with the following “Jamie is not a coach that will adjust a lot to the talent. He makes them adjust to him.”

I think that you are correct in stating that time will be the ultimate judge on this approach.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.01.13 @ 7:02 pm

Be careful what you wish for, other than one good year with Howland, Pitt BBall had not been competitive since Charles Smith. I don’t think we want Pedersen leading a search committee.

The grass is always greener till its not.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 7:17 pm

You have to rebound to run. Pitt has not rebounded well, certainly not yesterday. And they did run when they had the chance — but Cincy played very good transition defense. C’mon guys, there’s no simple answer here.

Comment by velvil 01.01.13 @ 7:25 pm

Wow, gc…so untrue as far as competitiveness. And let’s not get ahead of ourselves–they’ve just lost 2 games with a young team.

Comment by panther94 01.01.13 @ 7:28 pm

Will Dixon adjust his style to the ACC? If not, Pitt may struggle. Good coaches adapt. Great coaches impart their style on the players and also allow players the freedom to utilize their strengths. Dixon is sure stubborn.

Comment by TX Panther 01.01.13 @ 7:55 pm

panther94, sorry I was defending Jamie, saying we were not competitive before him.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 7:57 pm

In fact, I think they should name the court after him. I do agree he could use a higher profile assistant.

Comment by gc 01.01.13 @ 8:01 pm

Ok, that makes more sense.

Comment by panther94 01.01.13 @ 8:12 pm

Dixon is the best coach that we have had at Pitt (including Howland) so he is a keeper. I simply hope that he allow enough flexibility to let kids play. While it is important to have a “system” and recruit and coach kids to maximize the strengths of the system. It is equally important to allow the latitude (flexibility) to allow kids to be creative in over coming the limitation of all systems.

On a side note: Watching FSU prepare for the Orange Bowl. Love the tradition of the seminole and the horse. Can’t wait to watch a game in Tallahassee in the coming years.

It is wierd rooting for the ACC though. Anyone else feel the same?

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 01.01.13 @ 8:47 pm

I do not root for FSU. Pitt loss to them in 1980 (I believe that was the year) cost Pitt the NC.

Comment by frank MD 01.01.13 @ 9:11 pm

It’s been my opinion that Dixon has been hurt by the loss of key assistants in more ways than one.

Let’s see how things go against Rutgers on Saturday.

Actually, I think Pitt will win. But, we’ll see.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.01.13 @ 9:11 pm

NIU keeping it close in the Orange.

Comment by panther94 01.01.13 @ 10:08 pm

Frannk in MD, it was a miserable rainy evening in Tallahassee in 1980 and everything that could go wrong for Pitt, went wrong. FSU had the best punter in the nation and kept Pitt pinned back all night. Cannot wait to play them again either along with Clemson (whom we easily handled in the Gator Bowl 77) and BC whom we have won a few…lost a few against.

Comment by Dan 72 01.01.13 @ 10:38 pm

You know what’s ironic is I’m hearing that we wish the basketball team would be… “high octane, left lane, pedal down.”

Unfortunately JDix’s style in his heart is stifling defense and shortening the game on offense. Perhaps he’s taken the Pittsburgh, blue collar, three yards and a cloud of dust a little too literally.

I think he was pretty flexible when Blair and Sam Young were here. And he’s made some minor adjustments on defense.

I also think Jim Boeheim and his 900 wins would have a little something to say about adapting systems to players at least on defense.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.02.13 @ 2:02 am

Pitt’s bb style is boring. I wish JD could coach like Boeheim. Always liked the style they play.
Syracuse plays both ends equally, very agressive. Seems we are getting better talent but the results are the same.
Time for the old dog to learn some new tricks.

Comment by frankarms 01.02.13 @ 2:18 am

I do think that JD is a system coach, and I think he has been great at maximizing talents of some players but feel that it also hinders the talents of some others…if that makes sense. Case in point…Birch. with a kid like that on the roster Pitt should have been pushing tempo. As for Adams, this is not the D-League, who says we have to develop a post up game. If he’s comfortable facing the basket then put him in more situations in which he can take advantage of what he does well. As for our perimeter shooting, these guys better be shooting thousands of shots at practice. 0 for 10 on 3s will get you an L the majority of the time.

Comment by Pittastic 01.02.13 @ 8:22 am

To play Jamie ball you start with shutdown defenders, we didn’t have them last year. Still early, but may not this year either. Rebounding a big part of this.

May need some innovation on offense to overcome the deficiency. But D is still the key.

Comment by gc 01.02.13 @ 9:16 am

Guys Dixon had zone D for about a third of the game, so he mixed it up plenty on that side of the ball/.

Offense stagnated in the 2nd half when we needed a three-point threat, which we don’t have and this may be our biggest flaw this year. A little more JJ Moore may have helped attack more. But no 3pt threat makes it harder to attack, unable to keep D’s too honest.

Also, Adams getting in foul trouble early was a big problem (and at least 2 of the calls were super-weak ACC type calls. Qeu sera sera). But this was really the only poin after the first 5 minutes that swung the game from us up about 4-7 to us down 7. The rest of the game as tit for tat.

Not a huge disappointment, as there were many reasons that Cinncy had some edge (rebounding form the New Mex game, being very experienced and very talented, Pitt being inexperienced, coming off a week long break etc). Let’s see what happens the 3 games.

Comment by PantherP 01.02.13 @ 9:51 am

by Adam’s foul trouble early, i meant early in the 2nd half. First half he was playing very clean ball. A good thing.

Comment by PantherP 01.02.13 @ 9:52 am

My biggest disappointment in the game was Patterson. He had multiple good opportunities to catch and shoot and hesitated every time. And no thought to pump fake and drive to the hoop, to try to create anything. Frustrating to watch.

Cam Wright looked great, aggressive on O and D.

Ziegler was downright terrible.

Moore needs to be on the floor more. If Patterson isn’t going to step up, then give Moore the opportunity. I’d rather see him taking some ill-advised shots and trying to create than watch Patterson just move the ball around the perimeter as if it’s going to magically find it’s way into the twine.

I appreciate that Dixon wants to control tempo, run the offense, make the extra pass. But his offensive style does, for the most part, breed a passive mindset. Attack the rim is only a consideration in the context of rebounding.

How they respond on Saturday will be telling.

Comment by Carmen 01.02.13 @ 10:26 am

One of the things they need to be extremley careful about are the early fouls. The way Jamie Dixon has his big men hedge out on the perimiter often gets them in trouble. You can be physical putting a body on your opponent in the blocks, but a bump on the hedge, or a reach in, is always going to be called. Once you get two fouls early in game withe Dixon, you’re on the bench. So it’s imperative to learn what you can get away with, and what you can’t. I know it’s early in the season but the 2nd play against Cincy and Michigan negated pretty good 1st halfs. The need to be able, jump start themselves when they get stagnant offensively.

Comment by Justinian 01.02.13 @ 10:34 am

Jump start by playing some pressing ‘D’ if the ‘O’ isn’t there.

Comment by TX Panther 01.02.13 @ 10:42 am

off topic but I need opinion please. Governor of Pa preparing to sue the NCAA on behalf of Ped.State. As a PITT man & resident of PA I find this highly offensive. The use of tax dollars to defend psu & trying to defend psu in general is offensive!!

Comment by DC33 01.02.13 @ 10:48 am

allegedly the suit’s goal is to keep the $60M sanction fine within the state which is alright with me as long as it isn’t recycled back to PSU.

Otherwise, I agree that the state is not representing its citizens

Comment by wbb 01.02.13 @ 11:06 am

It’s purely political. His numbers are in the tank and he needs the support of nitter nation to win re-election. I can understand the perspective of wanting the money to stay in the state, but this is something politicians really have no business dealing with. As a Pitt grad and Texas resident, I find it offensive as well, but when wasn’t a politician offensive. I’m just hoping that Tino’s play this Saturday isn’t offensive.

Comment by TX Panther 01.02.13 @ 11:26 am

Thank you wbb & TX Panther. Did not know the actual basis for the legal action. I still don’t like the State involved. I hope the entire team is not offensive==don’t need another Uconn game. HTP. Happy New Year

Comment by DC33 01.02.13 @ 11:43 am

Hope they are taking the game very seriously, and are fired up.

A big win, against SEC Ole Miss, would set the tone for spring ball and going into the ACC.

Yep, even a 6-6 SEC, still an SEC, would be a big tone setter!


Comment by Dan 01.02.13 @ 12:05 pm

My understanding was that the excessive fines against Penn State were a way to lessen other penalties that would have come down.

Should never have been agreed to by Penn State or allowed by the State of Pennsylvania.

Now, in retrospect… the Governor is moving to try and keep the money in State?

What a bunch of crap.

Instead, maybe the State should issue a legal challgent to the levying of the fines altogether?

But this would leave open PSU to additional NCAA sanctions that are proably more appropriate and legally well-grounded.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.02.13 @ 12:44 pm

If Pitt played w/half the passion of this board the Panthers would be undefeated. If ticket sales are any indication ole miss is taking the game seriously. PITT needs to come out fast & punch these rebel punks in the mouth. Take care of rutgers too on saturday. MASON UP Panthers!!! HTP!

Comment by DC33 01.02.13 @ 12:55 pm

Rutgers @ Syracuse tonight at 7pm. Might be on TV somewhere don’t have a clue.

Good chance to see what they have. Saw their two leading scorers are their guards. Eli Something and Myles Mack who is only 5-9 or so, so I would imagine Myles gotta be super quick.

They also have a couple of 6-9 250 lb. bangers.

Teams with good guards give this team problems.
Let’s see if we can put the clamps on them.

Cuse is a game or so removed from losing to Temple at home. I think the conference is going to be a little down this year(regardless of who is ranked where right now), so for us that’s a good thing.

Is anyone going to the Sayonara Sunseri Bowl ??

Comment by Emel 01.02.13 @ 12:55 pm

Emel that one cracked me up.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.02.13 @ 1:47 pm

My comment above regarding the Governor and Penn State was based on the other preceeding posts which appear to have been in error.

Turns out the State of Pennsylvania is issuing a legal challenge to the fines altogether and not just trying to keep the money in-State.

This is exactly what should be done, as I mentioned in my comment.

Remains to be seen if it opens Penn State up to the possibility of stiffer sanctions should the fines be thrown out.

Maybe the possibility of further sanctions is what O’Brien might be using as an excuse to open the door to consideration of other offers including the NFL.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.02.13 @ 2:09 pm

This merely assures all that facts that were better swept under the PSU rug will now see the ugly light of day. If I am a 70 year old former adminstrative assistant, I am stocking up on my supply of Depends because with this suit and the perjury trials coming up, a lot of old ladies who know where all the bodies are buried are either going to have to tell the truth under oath, lie or catch a case of Alzheimers.
PSU joined a voluntary organization and there is no recognizable “protected class” (race, age, etc…) to which PSU belongs that would be targeted for discriminatory practices.
Pay up Pedophile Protectors….now, you will have to pay AND air dirty laundry again.
Could not happen to a better group of assholes (truly, that is the correct anatomical part).

Comment by sfpitt 01.02.13 @ 2:35 pm


Pennsylvania suing to have ALL sanctions and fines lifted including ban on bowl games.

Well that’s what you do when you sue. You ask for the world with the goal being a compromise.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.02.13 @ 3:22 pm

And the Tyler Palko award goes to Rod Sweeting:

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Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.02.13 @ 3:22 pm


I thought the goal of a lawsuit was to ask for the world but have the jury award you the universe? :-)

Comment by Panther Pride 01.02.13 @ 3:35 pm

Pa. suing to have all penalities eliminated as if nothing happened??? That’s ridiculous!!!

Comment by DC33 01.02.13 @ 4:02 pm

Good point Panther.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.02.13 @ 4:28 pm

Nice turnout for our Rutgers events: 100 for the basketball game, 80 for the bowl game watch.

We’re looking forward to hosting and meeting you. Thanks for participating!


Comment by steve1 01.02.13 @ 4:38 pm

The Trib has an article on Tyler Boyd where he said he may announce his college choice this Saturday. In the Trib article Boyd went on to say, the Pitt is probably number 1 because of the strong relationship he has built with Bobby Engram. He went on say hea has a comfott level with Pitt. It also doesn’t hurt that Titus Howard and Tarrish Webb are going to Pitt. Let’s hope that he’s coming to Pitt. He’ll play early at Pitt and I think he will make an impact.

Comment by Justinian 01.02.13 @ 6:13 pm

Let’s hope he doesn’t pull a Foster at the last minute.

Comment by TX Panther 01.02.13 @ 7:33 pm

TX Panther, Foster not going to Pitt may it more likely that Boyd will.

Comment by Justinian 01.02.13 @ 7:48 pm

The guy everyone thought was a lock, was Foster. From everything I’ve heard about Tyler Boyd, no one realy knows. That’s why I think his comments in the Trib were encouraging. He still may decide to go some where else, but at least we know that there is a good chance it may be Pitt.

Comment by Justinian 01.02.13 @ 8:11 pm

Rutgers is just getting trashed by Syracuse.

It was 39-20 at Half. Now 64-36.

Is this good or bad for us ?

Looks like any confidence Butgers had should be history after this beatdown.

Comment by Emel 01.02.13 @ 8:30 pm

Then again Cincy lost, the game before playing Pitt.

Comment by Emel 01.02.13 @ 8:32 pm

As for Corbett, he’s a Ped State alumnus I believe, must be scared he won’t be re-elected.

All(99.5% of em)of these pols are spineless slugs.

Comment by Emel 01.02.13 @ 8:35 pm

Realize what the lawsuit on behalf of PA is: the state helps provide funding to Penn State (similar to Pitt) and the state wants to hold on to it’s investment instead of it going to the NCAA. This law suit will likely result in a pre-trial settlement that may not get rid of the fine, but may ensure that the fine is spent back into PA. various state reps were already trying to do that but the suit may formailize the settlement.

I hate PSU and all the stuff that took place and the cover up, but I’m also a PA tax payer. So if Corbett’s suit will ensure that the fine is spent in PA, then I’m all for it! I’d hate for my tax money to go to the NCAA. The govt wastes enough of my money already!

Comment by dish 01.02.13 @ 8:58 pm

Louisville came to play…17-3 over FL in the 2nd q.

Comment by panther94 01.02.13 @ 9:27 pm

Corbett went to Lebanon Valley College

Comment by alcofan 01.02.13 @ 9:28 pm

Favorite comment from LV vs FL so far : ‘It’s like an annoyance, Louisville is just trying to annoy Florida by running the ball’ after 6 total rushing yards

Comment by Benzene 01.02.13 @ 9:46 pm

fyi – if Lville pulls this off, the BE will be 4 and 0 vs SEC this year in head-to-head matchups

The it will be up to Pitt to maintain the perfect record

Comment by wbb 01.02.13 @ 9:54 pm

wbb, that’s a lot of pressure.

Comment by panther94 01.02.13 @ 9:58 pm

Pitt has a history of disappointing in front of national audiences. Let’s hope this time is different.

Comment by TX Panther 01.02.13 @ 10:11 pm

What happens if Penn St and Corbett win and the NCAA tells Penn St they can no longer belong account of not abiding by their rules.
By not accepting the sanctions. Penn St may end up in NAIA. ?

Comment by frankarms 01.02.13 @ 10:17 pm

1st and goal at FL 4 and come away with nothing. Reminds me a bit of the meltdown we had at cuse. Still 30-10, but that was huge.

Comment by panther94 01.02.13 @ 10:45 pm

it wouldn’t surprise me if PSU comes out smelling like a rose and ends up making money from all of this … only theu can commit the most ehinous acts ever and benefit

Comment by wbb 01.02.13 @ 11:19 pm

We could have got Bridgewater if we had any South Florida recruiting connections….not just 8 Wisconsin guys….

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.02.13 @ 11:31 pm

I’m joking of course as Chryst was still at Wisconsin but we do need better S. FLA connections….

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.02.13 @ 11:33 pm

a little speed is always a welcome addition

Comment by wbb 01.02.13 @ 11:36 pm

NAIA sounds about right !

L-Ville does the BigEast-ACC proud. Handily beats the supposed great #3 Florida. L-ville was about to put another 7 on the board to get to 40. Mercifully the game ended for the Gators. lol

As I posted the other week, the SEC is overrated.
Only 3-3 in Bowl games.

Sure Alabama could win the NC, still won’t effect the fact the SEC is overrated.

Both the much maligned BigEast and ACC have better bowl records than the SEC and of course that blowhard league we all love to ridicule the Little 10 or L1G.

Comment by Emel 01.03.13 @ 12:22 am


surely you know we NEVER would have recruited anyone who would have actually been so superior to Sir Tino that we would have recruited him.

That my friend was never going to happen 😉

Comment by Emel 01.03.13 @ 12:27 am

Emel….. LOL…. Just a few more days of hearing that name and no more ABT!

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.03.13 @ 1:24 am

Hey Chas & Reed, do you know if Pitt plays in a bowl game this week?

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.03.13 @ 8:38 am

How about a football thread?

Comment by PittofDreams 01.03.13 @ 8:41 am

Extremely proud of how L-Ville played. They were tough and Bridgewater is just so accurate. Charlie Strong is a very good coach and it doesn’t hurt to have 35 FL guys on the roster.

Comment by Pittastic 01.03.13 @ 8:55 am

After seeing Rutgers get killed by Syracuse last night Saturday’s BB game against Rutgers is pretty much a must win if this team is going to do anything this year.

Emel, as much as I love to find fault with SEC and Big Ten etc using Bowl records don’t really tell the tale…these are meaningless games for some and Super Bowls for others and when those two collide we see a result like last night…..

Louisville had everything to play for since probably half their team is from Florida and were probably not looked at by Florida in High School. Florida was there for the player gift bag and the parties.

Comment by milobloom 01.03.13 @ 9:04 am

Meant to add though I do agree with your statement about SEC overrated..they are of course..but when you dominate the National Championship like they do that is going to be the case….And if Bama kills Notre Dame on Monday it will only continue.

Comment by milobloom 01.03.13 @ 9:07 am

SEC teams start out very high in preseason polls. When they lose they drop maybe 6 or 7 spots. If a BE team loses they are booted out of the top 25.

Something not right going on. Even BCS rankings biased by voter polls.

Comment by frank MD 01.03.13 @ 9:41 am

Yup definitively not right Frank…but just add it to the list of everything that is wrong with college football these days.

Comment by milobloom 01.03.13 @ 9:53 am

About the Louisville Florida game, it not always about the hype, it’s about who shows up to play. Louisville wanted it and came to play. Congrats to them. It’s fun to see a Big East team humble a team from the not so humble SEC.

Comment by Justinian 01.03.13 @ 10:04 am

@ milobloom, for the Florida’s players sake, I hope that the gift bag you mentioneed included a large jar of sauve to relieve a good ass whoopin, cause that is what the Cards put on them, for sure.

Now if Pitt can just finish up the season the same way, it will be all good. Perfect Pitt Saturday trifecta would be beating Old Miss and Rutgers and Boyd announcing that he is becoming a Panther. Yeah baby!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.03.13 @ 11:27 am

Oh brother, when the SEC wins they are by far the superior conference, but when they lose, it is not because the other team was better, it was because the SEC team was unmotivated by a meaningless game. Florida lost because Lville is a very good football team that punched them straight in their constantly running jaws!

Comment by HbgFrank 01.03.13 @ 12:39 pm

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