February 19, 2012

LiveBlog: Try Again, USF-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,liveblog — Chas @ 11:57 am

Well, USF doesn’t play well away from Florida. Pitt just isn’t playing well. Something has to give.

I’m probably going to be DVR delayed. Traveling back from visiting family. So, SilverPanther in NYC will be taking the reigns tonight.

Odd time,at 7pmĀ  but when Pitt gets to the ACC, there are those Sunday night games.

Everyone should know the rules by now. I’m a bit pressed for so time, hence brevity.

If you need to break the liveblog out from the site, Click Here.

Otherwise, just a little lower.

Btw, those returning players in 2008, 1988 were ALL STAR players. Nobody coming back in 2012 is anywhere close to any of those players.

The 1974 team only had one true star, Bily Knight but they played the phenomenal amoeba defense and had played several years together, so they were very tight as a group. Had they not had to play eventual National Champion NC State on virtually their home court in NC, they would have made the Final 4 and quite possibly won it.

Comment by Emel 02.20.12 @ 9:15 pm

Have any of you coaches out there ever figured out the amoeba? I have watched it a hundred times and still cannot figure out the defense.

Comment by Dan 72 02.20.12 @ 9:41 pm

Played league ball against Moon Knight, he was rehabing a knee. His team was Black Flash and a few football players were on it, Dave Garnett, Bryant Salter. Lost 57-32(?). Think Billy became ABA scoring Champ. That 74 team was a great team, so was that 88 team. Wish Evans had someone foul Goheen. Wish Dixon called called TO when J Dixon got trapped by Villanova. Wish Dixon pulled his guys from the lane on Brown’s 2nd FT, especially that numb skull who can neither dribble, shoot or make a free throw.

Comment by Old School Panther 02.20.12 @ 9:50 pm

Emel, no doubt. I am not inclined to believe that everything I said could happen, will happen. The possibility is there though. Young saw the light in his junior year, maybe Moore will as well. If my scenario plays out, I think we would all be very pleased. Let’s hope! HAIL TO PITT

Comment by Pitt Rob 02.20.12 @ 10:07 pm

I’m not even sure a serious discussion of Zanna at the 4 can be entertained. Yes, he can hit a 15 foot jump shot on occasion. And that’s about where his skill set for the PF appears to end, no? I don’t believe he has any ball handling skills, the few times I’ve seen him go to the rim he is clearly unsure of how to finish.

Taylor looks like a shell of a player right now. I seriously wonder if he will transfer. I know he’s going to be a senior and I guess he’d have to sit out, but seems to me a fresh start at a smaller school where he would be given a shot at PF might be in order.

As others have said, a juco transfer at PF seems like an absolute necessity.

Moore can make a big leap next year, but he needs to do a few things. First, he must shore up his mechanics. Fails to get set on the jumper too often, feet all over the place. Great to see him driving, but once he gets in the lane, he is expecting contact and shying away from it, fading instead attacking the rim. He got the fouls, but some of those could have been and one if he goes at the rim strong. And he’ll have to improve his D, although that’s gotten better.

I have no idea what happened to Patterson. He and Sleepy must be eating from the same cereal bowl or something.

Comment by Carmen 02.20.12 @ 10:14 pm

not quite Roc bottom yet… but we’re getting there

Comment by DeVanzo 02.21.12 @ 9:15 am

and by the way, another reason why I will never shed a tear when Dixon leaves

every single team Howland put on the court had an identity… that is the sign of a good coach

can someone please explain how Dixon has coached this team in any way? They are so awful and do not play with consistency or intensity on defense…

Comment by DeVanzo 02.21.12 @ 9:17 am

I’ll shed a tear when Dixon leaves because who would replace him? Do you you really think we’ll get a better coach? 9 successful years, with some disappointment in the tourny is better than rarely making the tourny and reverting 15yrs.

Admittedly, Dixon does need to adjust things a little. If it aint broke don’t fix it, and it wasn’t until about 10 games in this year when the whole thing fell apart.

Biggest problem here is one that started a few years back – we didn’t have an actual center. Not one that fits our scheme. The scheme didn’t change and we tried to shoe-horn Taylor into the role, hurting both the PF and the C position. But this is turning around. We have at least 3 more years of decent to very good Centers (Adams/Gilbert).

PF will absolutely benefit from a good center and we have the parts — if not Zanna, then Moore/Patterson and maybe even Taylor.

I think we can basically stay the course re – personnel and be much better next year.

Comment by PantherP 02.21.12 @ 9:47 am

Right, and Howland’s team this year has an identity too: a group of malcontents and quitters.

Not to diminish Howland as a coach, because it’s obvious he is exceptional in many areas. More to reinforce the idea that this type of slide happens even to renowned programs and high profile coaches. It’s been an awful season, but let’s see (hopefully not) one or two more before shoving everyone out the door.

Comment by JW 02.21.12 @ 10:10 am

I caught the The Street Stops Here documentary about St Anthony’s High School. Woodall’s in it. He showed leadership skills but I wish we would have gotten Tyshawn Taylor also…

Comment by Pittastic 02.21.12 @ 10:40 am

I won’t cry for Ben Howland. For all intents and purposes the man treated the University and his players the same way Todd Grahmn did on his way out the door. Except Grahmn actully did ask for permission to speak with ASU. Don’t forget, Ben Howland signed a six year contract extention shortly before his last season as Pitt’s Head Coach. Then by that seasons end without a word to the University President, the AD, or his players he is out the door and in front of an LA news conference. It seems his “dream job” is a bit of a nightmare for now.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.21.12 @ 12:40 pm

I don’t see marked improvement on the horizon for this program.

Adams will help and we all have to pray he stays more than one year, but his play, like any freshman’s, will be uneven and Pitt will be lucky to get 10-12 pts and 8 boards a night out of him.

Anyone thinking Woodall is going to play the 2 guard is nuts. He’s going to start at PG and be the same sub-par PG he is now, physically overmatched almost every night in the Big East.

Moore will score 12-14 ppg and Patterson will distribute, but every minute they’re on the floor is a minute you give up on defense, because Patterson’s too slow and unathletic to play any and Moore is too clueless to play any.

There’s no answer at shooting guard. There just isn’t one on the roster, which is simply amazing. Maybe Durand Johnson will come out of nowhere, but I just don’t see it happening.

The game will look much faster to James Robinson and he’ll get backup minutes at the point and help as the season progresses and John Johnson will play some backup minutes at SG and maybe provide some bench scoring.

Taylor and Zanna will both continue to stink. Unfortunately, given Dixon’s system, they’ll both continue to get minutes,either subbing for Adams or playing the four. Mark McCarroll or Jaime Peterson or Chad Varga would be better and maybe some of you remember how bad they were. maybe Gilbert redshirts in order to come back with more eligibility after Adams leaves.

The whole thing is a clusterf___. The roster needs an overhaul. This is not a one year lapse.

Comment by hugh green 02.21.12 @ 12:59 pm

I have enjoyed every minute of the revivial of Pitt’s Golden Age of Men’s Basketball. It was a great run. It’s over.

Comment by Old School Panther 02.21.12 @ 1:19 pm

It’s only over, if Dixon is too stubborn to feel like he needs to hire a top notch assistant. Bring in some fresh ideas, some new offensive sets and a maybe some new defenses. You don’t have to junk the whole entire system, maybe tweak it here and there. And of course you should always be looking for a guy who can recruit elite players.
If we can figure out how to use them. haha

I really don’t want to see 7 footer Steve Adams chasing around players on the perimeter, lightyears away from the hoop. And then getting caught on a ball screen trying to guard a much quicker player.

Still trying to figure out why Gilbert’s redshirt was burned, since he hardly played in the part of the season he should have, the non-con. And I believe he had played a total of 5 minutes thru late December. I don’t see how you can now redshirt him next year since that means Sleepy or Zanna are the back up centers. No thanks.

But we have two strong recruits coming so far, we also need a real PF and a good SG and another good player. So 2 current players need shown the door.
Nice knowing ya Isiah & Cameron. Or get a pell grant and walk on.

If all else fails we can always put another new roof on The Pete ! Maybe buy a charter jet for our trips to ACC country !

Comment by Emel 02.21.12 @ 1:50 pm

There isn’t one player on this roster who is a rock solid starter next year. Not one! How does that happen to an elite program? I’m not talking a complete package, I’m talking one guy that can defend and has specfic ball skills like shooting, handling & passing. This team is the sum total of the individual deficiencies. If Dixon can bring the program back in one year from this debacle he’s a wizard. If one year from now we’re still scratching our heads, more questions than answers and longing for great Pitt basketball Dixon’s run at Pitt may be over.

Comment by Old School Panther 02.21.12 @ 4:51 pm

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