January 11, 2012

Open Thread: Rutgers-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,Open Thread — Chas @ 4:05 pm

2012 has been rough so far on the court and for me in the offline world. Another night where I have to go to DVR delay.

Pitt needs a win tonight. Right now, Pitt needs a win every night. Rutgers is showing the hallmarks of a young team with potential. They have been playing up or down to the level of their competition.

Presumably Zanna and Johnson will get to start once more. Their play was solid in the loss to DePaul so I don’t see that changing.

Need to see the guys on the perimeter knock down some 3s, get into the lane a bit and just, please stay in front of their guy on defense for 40 minutes. In other words, play like they have not most of the season.

7pm game on Root, SNY, MASN, ESPN FullCourt and

I’m thinking a really strong IPA or two for the first half to calm the nerves and hope that neither I nor the team fades out in the second half.

Gotta beat this team.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 4:46 pm

Couldn’t resist:

ASU head football coach Todd Graham issued the following statement on junior Brock Osweiler’s decision to enter the NFL Draft
“I wish Brock Osweiler nothing but the best in his pursuit of a future in the National Football League. That is the goal of every college football player who buckles up a chin strap. I met with Brock on several occasions and we discussed his future at length. Brock is doing what he believes is best for him and his family and we respect that. He will always have an open door to come back to at Arizona State University.

“Once a Sun Devil/Hurricane/Owl/Panther, always a Sun Devil/Hurricane/Owl/Panther.”

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 4:51 pm

Haha. That’s a lot of bumper stickers for that jackass.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.11.12 @ 5:14 pm

What’s crazy, if this team could get it’s sh*t together, they could get right back into the BE league race. L-ville is 1-3, as is Villanova, Marquette is 1-2 and like half the league has two losses already including Uconn, G-town and WVCC.

So let’s get a win tonight ! As absurd as it seems this season can still be salvaged.
But it’s got to start tonight !!

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 6:52 pm

lol steve,

What did Fraud know this guy for like 2 days and he’s his father figure already. His schtick goes 365/24/7. He always has a job at the carnival waiting for him.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 6:55 pm


8-9 % alcohol won’t cut it.

How about something in the 50 -65 % range? That’s how bad this team has been.

Well maybe tonight…..

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 6:59 pm

cheap scotch for me…and a lot of it

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:04 pm

@EMEL, don’t insult carnival workers!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 7:04 pm

Steve, may I suggest Old Smuggler. The champagne of cheap scotch

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:08 pm

gonna be a long night.

wife sez turn it off.

whoda thunk Gibbs actually a liability?

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:12 pm

white horse is what I’m gulping

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:13 pm

You’re going to need it. All of it tonight.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.11.12 @ 7:14 pm

Wow, this is bad early. Missing bunnies, 4 turnovers

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:17 pm

Jesus. This team is on the level of Duquesne right now. Couldn’t have come up with a more nightmarish scenario for this season.

Comment by Hollywood 01.11.12 @ 7:18 pm

Wow. Gibbs on the bench, things pick up.

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:21 pm

JJ Moore, keep tryin to score.

Taylor, happy to see you invested.

You two should be our best two players. Wanna see you act like it from here on out.

Comment by PantherP 01.11.12 @ 7:21 pm

White Horse, an equally terrible choice, well paired with an equally terrible performance.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:22 pm

Cutty Sark here…

Comment by Dan 72 01.11.12 @ 7:22 pm

Gibbs 3 turnovers no pts.

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:22 pm

Zanna and Robby early fouls has Patterson playing 4 and Moore at 3. Kinda like that for a bit here.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.11.12 @ 7:22 pm

Seniors out of the lineup,

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:26 pm

Trash shot by Taylor

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:27 pm

Have to admit, Taylor is playing with some energy tonite. Nice to see. I really think he is best off the bench.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:27 pm

Maybe if we just took foul shots the rest of the game?

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:29 pm

Taylor watching RU rebound

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:30 pm

sal interviews at tenn 4 dc ,and a texas school this weekend poss tino ga s with him emels dream comes true

Comment by paul shannon 01.11.12 @ 7:31 pm

we are being out-athleticized

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:33 pm

Pitt 3-20 from the field

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:35 pm

Gibbs terrible shot,only 2 pts

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:36 pm

the scothc is working, I don’t give a sh-t anymore

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:36 pm

can’t even spell it, see?

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:37 pm

Amen Steve!

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:37 pm

Joe Starkey

Standing O for paul chryst, who is not todd graham

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:38 pm

Zana gives us the best chance to win?

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:41 pm

gotta say: d ain’t bad

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:42 pm

Brick city

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:42 pm

I want the under

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:43 pm

Pitt shooting 10%

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:44 pm

Gonna be a Big10 score

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:45 pm

I would like to Zanna actually make another shot.
He’s certainally had a lot of good opportunities.

Comment by Justinian 01.11.12 @ 7:46 pm

How does a team’s psyche go from “winner,” to “loser” in less than a half a season? The Panthers are afraid to take a shot, afraid to score points…

Comment by Lou 01.11.12 @ 7:46 pm

3rd save of the night for Zanna

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:46 pm

Zanna is sooooooo frustrating. Flashes what is there, then misses another shot.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:48 pm

The score tonight is more like a girls jr. high game.

Comment by Justinian 01.11.12 @ 7:48 pm

Lou, we’ve got no GTG. We’re smaller, slower and less athletic.

I’m not faulting effort…

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:49 pm

Those that thought losing to DePaul was rock-bottom??? How about losing at home Rutgers and putting up less than 40 points doing so?? Very possible tonight unfortunately. Saddest part is that I think that STILL won’t be rock bottom. They may lose to Syracuse by 40+.

At least they are playing hard tonight. they just don’t have it. There isn’t one player on this team that can create his own shot. I feel bad for Jaime – the talent is simply not there.

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 7:49 pm

RU shooting 43% Pitt 14%

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:49 pm

Just for conversation, Steve–these guys have been basketball players all their lives. They were “making” shots for themselves all through their schoolyard play, all through high school and their night basketball leagues, and were good enough to be recruited by a major D-1 program. How do they suddenly forget how to play?

Comment by Lou 01.11.12 @ 7:52 pm

Don’t feel bad for Jamie…he recruited them. Once in a while it would be nice to bring in a pure shooter and not projects that have big east bodies.

Comment by ECH 01.11.12 @ 7:52 pm

I am so scarred that you could be 100% correct Mac

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:52 pm

Lou, every shot heavily contested

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 7:53 pm

This Eli Carter would look good in a Pitt uni. They were on him late but obviously missed out.

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 7:53 pm

4 yes 4 total made shots from the field.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:54 pm

Robinson stuffed 2 times in a row

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:54 pm

RU 3 shots at the clock

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 7:55 pm

Shooting 13% in the first half…not gonna cut it, boys.

Comment by Lou 01.11.12 @ 7:56 pm

Sun Bowl

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 7:56 pm

Ashton’s shot have devolved into a set shot. It was always flat, but now its tabletop like. That is a beaten team going into the locker room. Look at them. Unreal. Jamie needs to earn his keep and get them motivated and aggressive.

Comment by ECH 01.11.12 @ 7:56 pm

Rutgers has played like garbage as well IMO this half but is still up by double digits. That’s what’s really, really scary. Almost as scary as starting 0-7 in the conference. I unfortunately think that that is now a given. Wow, this black cloud over the entire city of Pittsburgh (sports wise) is just crazy.

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 7:57 pm

Just pathetic…what else can one say….down 11 at HOME to Rutgers.

4 frickin FG’s….

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 7:58 pm

I have never seen a Dixon coached team look so disinterested in a game ever. NO one is moving on offense. Standing around waiting for someone else to do something. Gibbs wanting to go to the NBA??? This season is lost.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 01.11.12 @ 7:58 pm

You’re right Mac….Rutgers has been no great shakes…a good team would be up by like 25 now on PITT.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:00 pm

I’d sit Gibbs & Robinson to start the 2nd half.

They both need to watch from the bench for a while.

Go with Johnson & Patterson at the Guards
And Moore, Zanna & Taylor up front.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:02 pm

Running out of scotch

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 8:02 pm

lonsuffering: I disagree, the effort is there. the ability isn’t.

Can I opt out of my BET tickets?

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 8:03 pm

Wow! Really? Just got home. 4-36 from the field. That is unbelievable.

Comment by Matt_Miklasevich 01.11.12 @ 8:05 pm

Hey Mini Camp Started!!! Let’s Go Bucs!!!

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:06 pm

You could tell the crowd would have liked to boo, but they were afraid to.

Come on, this team needs shaken up, they look like Zombies out there.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:06 pm

I picked the wrong time to try to cut back on the drinking…….

Comment by BomberSunshine 01.11.12 @ 8:07 pm

they didn’t take 36 shots….did they?

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:07 pm

Someone help Steve, we have a whole half to go.
Over/Under FG’s…. 10.5?

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:08 pm

I see no effort at all. This is embarrassing.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 01.11.12 @ 8:09 pm

What do these guys do in practice?

Loaf….. audition for the next season of ‘The Walking Dead’ ?

I mean you play like you practice in most instances.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:09 pm


They did but only the missed layups were good ones.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 01.11.12 @ 8:10 pm

I have gone deaf from the sound of clanging iron.

13% Is it my bad memory or is this the lowest field goal % in Pitt history for a half?

Shot after shot after shot after shot from waaaay
outside. No inside game whatsoever. Iron hands near the basket. I feel sorry for Jamie because this team will be a total disaster all season.

Gibbs is trying too hard to compensate for everybody elses poor shooting….he is playing so
out of sync that it is difficult to watch.

I realize that it is only January 11th, however, this season is at the point where it is probably beyond saving. The thought of having to play Syracuse scares me…we might be demolished!!!

Comment by isnore 01.11.12 @ 8:10 pm

Gibbs 0-4 Nas 0-5

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:10 pm

Looks like I picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:10 pm

Since Birch left….the whole team has been infected with Sleepy-itis.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:10 pm

Thank God the Mavs\Celts game is on soon. I haven’t witnessed a performance like this in a very long time. I don’t think the players have forgotten how to play. I don’t think Jamie has forgotten how to coach. I think the players and coach just don’t know how to deal with something like this. They haven’t been tested with adversity before and aren’t handling it well right now.

Comment by TX Panther 01.11.12 @ 8:11 pm

Gibbs 3 to’s Nas 4

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:11 pm

I looked at the standings of the MEAC (don’t ask me why), yes we won a few games after Birch left, but we looked bad doing it.

Oh yea, the MEAC…we had a tough time with SC State who is winless in the MEAC and who is like 4-13. They had a tough time with Rider who is like 5-14. This team has stunk since the season started.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:13 pm

“Enjoy the 2nd half?” Ha!

Luckily the tv has developed astigmatism

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 8:14 pm

Oh and I didn’ see any ZONE in the 1rst half, just the lame ass Man to man.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:16 pm

Nasir just took a 4 foot jump hook that hit the backboard and nothing else. Nice!!!

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 8:25 pm

Nas 0-6 from the field, 0-2 from the line

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:27 pm

I said earlier that they may not get to 40 points – my mistake. I meant to say 30.

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 8:27 pm

It’s time for JD to admit to himself what everyone else can see – this team does not have the players to go man-to-man.

Comment by deepelemblues 01.11.12 @ 8:27 pm

We may not win another game. IT really is that bad right now. Seriously who do we beat? Already lost to DePaul. South Florida? This is what this team has become. Really?

Look another Brick!

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:27 pm

Pitt can get 70 points in this game–they just need to take 500 shots at the basket! (500 * 0.14)

Comment by Lou 01.11.12 @ 8:29 pm

Worst I’ve seen a Pitt team since grgich team. Unbelievable. No effort. Just going through the motions.

Comment by Velvil 01.11.12 @ 8:33 pm

Boos at the Pete. Yuppers

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:33 pm

Fans booing

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:34 pm

Are we still crowing Dixon for his achievements? 10 years and one Elite 8???? Good Coaches don’t get this bad this fast… If they get 8k at the next home game I’d be surprised.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 8:34 pm

Pitt’s performance is the basketball equivalent of Michael Phelps (Olympic gold-medalist swimmer), doing a belly-flop and drowning in a 2-foot kiddie pool…like Tiger Woods shanking a chip shot, or missing a 6-inch putt.

The Panthers have literally lost any sense of their basketball skills.

Comment by Lou 01.11.12 @ 8:35 pm

Being outrebounded 36-21

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:36 pm

Zone may help cover for lack of talent but not lack of effort. Losing us one thing but indifference is another. They missed the bunnies early and quit.

Comment by Velvil 01.11.12 @ 8:36 pm

I’ve been watching Pitt basketball since I was a kid and Pitt was in the Eastern 8. This is the worst I have ever seen a Pitt team play.

Comment by ECH 01.11.12 @ 8:37 pm

Dreaming of Jamie Peterson and Chad Varga right now. Give me some Willard off the bench. Good ole days.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:39 pm

@upittbaseball… BINGO

underachieving is the worst thing you can do to a fan base… every year the pieces were in place to make a run or win a BE tourney… we won one BE tourney in 8 years and cut down zero nets in the big dance

people are tired of expecting to dance, and losing to mid majors or less talented teams in march… PEOPLE EXPECT PITT TO CHOKE IN MARCH NOW

let me just handle all rebuttals now:

Dixon didnt underachieve, we went to an elite 8 yippy!
(yes, in that time Butler went to two final 4s, George Mason went to 1, Marquette went to one out of ConfUSA, VCU went to one, Georgia Tech went to one, etc… i wont even list the big east teams that have gone…no PITT)
sample size is large enough to question the one constant in the equation, JAMIE DIXON

we lost Birch, other than that recruiting is solid!
please look at this game, we are getting destroyed by RUTGERS. (conveniently coached by former dixon assistant Mike Rice) This is the worst Pitt team since before Ontario Lett transferred… they are gutless and dont hustle. Next year will not be Steven Adams panacea, we are massively under big east and acc talent levels at every position

Dixon is great in game coach!
The zone plan is working


Comment by DeVanzo 01.11.12 @ 8:40 pm

429Meyran – LOVE the reference haha… id take some smooth ricky greer any day of the week

Comment by DeVanzo 01.11.12 @ 8:41 pm

Somebody might want to tell Dixon, to put the full court press on NOW……not when they’re down by 20 with 2 minutes to go.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:42 pm

Speaking of, saw a little love for O Antigua for the WKU job.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:44 pm

@429…..don’t think USF…they beat Uconn.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 8:44 pm

Can some please introduce the hole in the middle of the rim to Mr Gibbs please.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:46 pm

I would say they are mailing it in, but that would require the effort to put a stamp on the envelope. They are emailing it in.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 01.11.12 @ 8:49 pm

Birch sorely missed

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 8:50 pm

Gibbs 0-7 from 3

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:51 pm

Wow, Just wow….

Panther Digest @PantherDigest 34s

Rutgers now shouting out numbers hoping to attain five passes before taking a shot to run this thing out-haven’t seen this since junior high

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 8:51 pm

Wow! This team might not win another game all year! Combined basketball IQmight be in double didgets. Not sure they are coachable.

Comment by Jimbo 01.11.12 @ 8:52 pm

How could beating THIS pitt team be a “signature” win???

Comment by ECH 01.11.12 @ 8:52 pm

outrebounded 44-22

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:53 pm

Taylor just standing and watching

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 8:58 pm

The most pathetic pitt basketball performance ive seen in my life. My dad tried telling me that it was unrealistic to think that at some point pitt should win a national championship snd go to a final four while i was ranting furiously. I think that when you win 20+ games for a decade, go to the tournament 11 strait times, and get a 1 seed 2 out of the last three years a final gour shouldnt be an unrealistic expectation. Anyways. This team has no talent. No drive or motivation. No toughness. Anything positive that a basketball team can have, they dont have it. 3 years of busts in recruiting and high expectations for a team that doesnt care and this is what you get. 5 strait losses. 3 of them to wagner, depaul, and rutgers.., by 20+

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 8:59 pm

With points at garbage time we shoot 21%

Comment by alcofan 01.11.12 @ 9:01 pm

Well Football Sucks and Basketball Sucks….What do we have to look forward to next??? Wrestling? Men’s Diving? Speaking of Kevin Williard, I’d take him and what he has done at Seton Hall over this bum Dixon. Sean Miller or Archie Miller are just a call away but as far as this program has fallen Arizona and Dayton are better opportunities.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 9:01 pm

Upittbaseball. I hope thats a joke

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:03 pm

Oh and the next 3-4 games are definitely losses…. So 0-7 maybe 0-8 and Smug Steve will accept mediocrity like he has for 10 years.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 9:03 pm

I posted last week or was it 2 weeks ago. Who knows.
That one more loss and Dixon would lose this team.

He’s lost it.

I’m assuming this means were now a football school.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:04 pm

Announcer says Woodall coming back (if ever) will cure all problems. At least we have that.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 01.11.12 @ 9:04 pm

@PK Not a joke in the least. He is recruiting these no heart, no character, no talent kids. Who else do you blame?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 9:04 pm

Nothing to add. You have said it perfectly. I am actually in shock right now. I honestly can not believe I just watched the University of Pittsburgh men’s basketball team.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 9:05 pm

Well DeVanzo, you’ve convinced me.

So, who would you like to get coaching hoops at Pitt???

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:06 pm

These guys say that Pitt gave up. I disagree.

We simply had no answers and no go-to-guy.

Comment by steve 01.11.12 @ 9:06 pm

Longsugferingpanther, kobe and the duranchula couldnt curr this teams problems. Like is said above, there isnt a single positive for this team. Not one.

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:06 pm

Rutgers 62 Pitt Lady Panthers 39

Comment by isnore 01.11.12 @ 9:07 pm

Upittbaseball. I blame dixon for the recruiting but yu dont get rid of a coach whos had the program that only duke and kansas can claim, in terms of wins snd tournament appearances, and get rid of him after a 5 game losing streak just over halfway through a season. Pitt couldnt get a reasonable replacement anyways

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:09 pm

If he’s to take the blame for recruiting these no heart, no character kids……..

Then, I’m assuming your giving him credit for recruiting all of the kids that heart and character????

Including when he was an assistant under Howland, that’s about 10 years worth of “heart” kids, and a year or two of “no heart” kids.

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:10 pm

Yes you do PK, and you fire Bielsma and Tomlin too!!!! LMAO

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:12 pm

I’ve been watching PITT basketball since I was a kid. My dad took me to the games at old Fitzgerald Fieldhouse. I think the first year was 1967 or 1968, I remember being at the UNC @ PITT game and UNC had the great Charley Scott and two kids from Pittsburgh, George Karl & Dennis Wuycich (sp). Even though UNC had all the NBA players and such, PITT still won.

That was the worst performance I’ve ever witnessed from a PITT basketball team. They literally were beat at halftime, since they never got to less than the 11 points they trailed by at the half.

This team always came out, after the half, fired up and ready to kick butt. Either stretching leads or cutting into them. They hung it up at halftime, meaning they’ve tuned the coaches OUT !

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:13 pm

How about Dr. Tim Grgurich????

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:13 pm


We are DePaul for the moment. No denying it.

The only reason Rutgers’ score stayed low was, according to one tweet, that Rutgers was actually using the rec league mercy courtesy of 5 passes before they shot. I didn’t count, so I can’t say it’s so, but it is hard to say our stellar defense kept Rutgers’ total down.

The game was like a perfect storm. Rutgers has beaten very good teams, and they believe they can win. Pitt, at least at the moment, doesn’t have any confidence at all, and when they missed those bunnies early, went in the tank.

Jamie, I think, is coaching for next year. Look at the time Zanna and Moore are getting. I still think there’s a future in Zanna, Johnson and Patterson. I don’t see it in Wright or Moore — I don’t care how athletic he is, hard to see growth with Moore.

Guys and gals, I think we’re looking at 10 or so more losses. And lets pray that two freshmen next year — Adams and Robinson — can be the special freshmen who have an impact.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:14 pm

I will say this in Coach Dixon’s defense – at least Pitt looked energized and mostly hustled tonight.

OTHER THAN THAT – they’re terrible. Obviously. Did anybody see any substantial adjustments by Dixon tonight? Trotted out the same starting line-up with Gibbs at point…again. Further exacerbating the already very established and apparent weakness that playing Gibbs at point severely limits him offensively – which hampers the whole team offensively.

No new ideas or adjustments offensively or defensively. Stick with the same stuff that’s lost you (now) five in a row and didn’t even put 40 points on the board against a decent but mostly mediocre Rutgers team.

I’m sorry, but this team looked even more lost than ever. At one point at the end of the first half, they were trying to run their man to man offensive sets while Rutger was in a 2-3 zone!! Amazing!

It must be said – the talent level on this team is abysmal. Maybe that’s not all Dixon’s fault – but he has to shoulder some of the blame for that, too, right?

Wow…I had to watch this entire game just to see how bad they were…how low it would go…how far they’d fallen…and I can’t say I was expecting an almost 30 point loss to Rutgers at home. That’s….brutal. Almost inexcusable. The question must be asked…how much is Dixon to blame for how bad this team is? 20%? Because Birch left and Woodall got hurt? 80% because neither of those guys are ‘program makers’ and he had a Big East pre-season player of the year in Gibbs and some other “veterans”? Or 100%….?

Comment by Demetreus Gore 01.11.12 @ 9:15 pm

I’m so old that I was at Pitt when Grgich was coach. Trust me, it was worse than this.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:15 pm

The scary part of all of this is that we have no major talent on the bench.

The realization has just started to hit me that next year might turn out to be another disaster.

We have to hope that Adams has the SAT’s to qualify….he is an academic project.

Comment by isnore 01.11.12 @ 9:15 pm

Im listening to dixon on the post game. He is LITERALLY speechless. I cant say i blame him

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:16 pm

Keep making excuses…. No way fire him now, but if he can’t get this team to come together I’d really consider it if next season is no better. He is going to go 0-7! As far as wins and losses, yes, he won during the regular season… That is a fact. I myself would prefer 6-7 subpar seasons and a NCAA and or a final four appearence vs. shitting the bed every tourney and barely making it past the initial 1-2 games. Dan – I give Dixon credit for doing more with less…. Other than Blair he never really got studs on the team, he did coach the kids up and they played better than they really were. That is to be commended. This current situation shouldn’t be tolerated if he doesn’t at least get these kids to hustle. I don’t care if they lose the rest of their games as long as they put in 150%. But I don’t see it and it is embarrassing.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 9:16 pm

Pitt hustled? Maybe the first 8 minutes or so. They quit after that.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:17 pm

Upitt, give it a rest. You’re clueless. There’s lots of factors that went into this team being poor. Dixon gets blame but all the failed tournament crap is old and irrelevant.

I don’t think you’re a Pitt fan anyhow, based on your posts.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:18 pm

“I told you so”

Comment by DeVanzo 01.11.12 @ 9:19 pm

Guys and gals, I think we’re looking at 10 or so more losses.

I got news for you, this team might not win 2 games in the BigEast? so we’d be looking at more like close to 20 losses.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:20 pm

FIRE CHRYST NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:20 pm

For next year, the only hope is that adams and robinson are instant stars and someone like durand johnson or jj moore step up and produce consistantly. That plus a better effort will result in some success. If anything less than that happens then dont expect too much

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:21 pm

Old and Irrelevant? You sure you are Steve Pederson? After the next 4 L’s keep singing your same tune. Oh, I’m a fan that’s why it pains me to see so many accepting this as just a bad year.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 9:21 pm

Emel, given there’s 14 more BE games left, it’s pretty tough to lose another 20. At least according to my admittedly poor math.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:23 pm

The realization has just started to hit me that next year might turn out to be another disaster.
Comment by isnore 01.11.12 @ 9:15 pm

I posted that last week, regardless of how bad these guys are, we’re losing our two best players and two top scorers and our best rebounder.

So who besides Woody scores next year on a consistent basis?

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:24 pm

14 + 6(now) = 20…as in losses

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:25 pm

@upittbaseball, I saw your comment just now to me.

Hey, I agree, no coach is above reproach. We all comment on games, talent, game time decisions, missed calls, the refs. I get that.

Let’s not sugarcoat it, right now, we steeeeenk!!!

I don’t think we could get any worse, I’m in agreement with all, and I’m all for the game time questioning, recruiting etc. etc.

My comments are just in reaction to some people calling for Dixon’s firing.

Yes, if they suck for a couple years in a row, you start talking about the coaching.

The guys first rough patch in 10 years or so (including as assistant), and a couple people are calling him a fraud??????????

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:25 pm

ok…i didn’t think it was gonna be this bad..but it is…this team has no heart or interest it seems…these guys are all role players and all of them are inconsistant..which equals bad..ugh

Comment by pitt-for-life 01.11.12 @ 9:26 pm

Just so everyone knows, Adams coming to Pitt is NOT a done deal. Depending on who you read, he could be eligible to declare for the draft as a foreign born player. From what I read, it comes down to interpreting the NBA verbiage. As a long time Pitt fan, I fully expect him to never set foot on PEC court because, well, we’re Pitt.

Potentially, Adam and Robinson are great building blocks, but if I was Dixon, I would revoke a bunch of scholarships and start over next year as this year is as lost cause. We have a very good chance at going 0-18 in the BE. Dixon could go young with the promise of early playing time if you let Epps, Wright, Patterson, JJM, and maybe Zanna go. I don’t think he would let a senior go so unfortunately Dante would probably still be here.

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 9:26 pm

The way they’ve played since the Rider game really and then it got worse after Birch left with Wagner, DePaul & ND and now Rutgers.

This team has no confidence at all.
Just who are they going to beat?

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:27 pm

Adams and (james) Robinson..

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 9:28 pm

Upittbaseball, when did you go to Pitt? I was there in the 90’s and I’ll take winning the Big East, winning the Big East Tourney and getting to the Elite 8 over the 70’s,80′ and 90’s.

You do realize that our last two losses last year were to the two teams in the finals, right? Pitt was just a play away from beating Butler LAST YEAR and a play away from from the Final Four two years before that. They’ve been #1 in the polls and beaten #1 teams. They have played well against elite competition. THIS IS RECENT HISTORY.

The tourney is a crapshoot. It’s one and done. Luck has played a part in almost every National Championship of the decade. Somewhere in the tourney, the winning team got a bounce to go there way to pull out the game. I have NO clue what mediocrity you are talking about. Even this year’s team skipped the mediocre part – they are just bad….but guess what, we have a top 5 class coming in next year and this team does have some good role players on it.

Leadership is the key ingredient missing from this year’s team and the PG (Robinson) coming in next year has leader written all over him – it’s considered his biggest strength. Even if Adams leaves after a year, Gilbert (who already looks like a man out there) will be able step in with 3 years in the program.

Once again, where is the mediocrity of the last decade in hoops?

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.11.12 @ 9:28 pm

Pittsburgh sports is disintegrating in front of our very eyes. Last year at this time, we were on our way to the super bowl, the basketball team was ranked number 1, there was still hope Crosby would be back in a few weeks, and the Pitt football team had a head coach who told everybody he was going to win the national championship.

Oh how far we have fallen. The only thing that has improved is the head football coach at Pitt now doesn’t say anything.

Chas, are you sure you want to come and see this in person?

Comment by wally 01.11.12 @ 9:28 pm

Mac, he cant go to the draft. By him playing his senior year at a high school in the states he is no longer considered s foreign prospect.

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:30 pm

They actually play worse at home than they do on the road. So I don’t know what that says…but there it is.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:30 pm

there is nothing to say they arent playing hard
some how he lost this team
a team that plays hard may lose but not like this
they look like a div 2 team no not even that good

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.11.12 @ 9:31 pm

Wally, im also confident that chryst is a much better coach than fraud in addition to being soft spoken

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:32 pm

Mac, from what I’ve heard Adam’s handlers in NZ want him to go to college. He had a very limited education growing up and they want him to mature before he goes pro. Will he stay 4 years? Probably not, but I would not be surprised if he played at least two. I’m not holding out hope for it because I think Robinson coming in next year is the more important get for the program because he will be around for a while and Pitt will have a mature and BE/ACC ready Gilbert waiting in the wings. Adam’s people have already done a good job keeping him out of the situations that caused WVU and KY problems the past two years so I have some faith that he is getting good advisement…he is a 17 year old kid however and I understand that the situation could change pretty quickly.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.11.12 @ 9:34 pm

Emel — right, I said 10 or so more losses — so what was your beef with that. And losing our top rebounder? That’s Zanna. And Birch leaving — give me a break –isn’t that the guy with 1 rebound in 15 minutes against OK St? You get that by sheer luck.

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:35 pm

Upittbaseball, what your saying is that after a decade of dominance one bad year is enough to fire him? Thats like saying vt should fire frank beamer if he had one 7 win season.

Comment by Pk 01.11.12 @ 9:36 pm

As a comparison, I’ll mention our native son.

One of my all time favorite players, and I’m sure many peoples favorite on here.


He’s now had 8 years of head coaching experience.
One elite 8, no, that is, no final fours, and this year, his team is 10-6, including a home loss to something called Seattle Pacific Rim or something.

And this is with, by all indications, several top 10 recruiting classes. People say he can recruit, and I absolutely believe it.

Why hasn’t he done it??? Especially with all of that talent. Does Sean Miller suck???? Should Arizona fire him and get it over with????

My point is, it is very difficult to get to a final four, and even tougher to win it.

There are 351 Division 1 baketball schools.

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:37 pm

@Wally, isn’t that the truth, we were just talking about that today at work!!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:38 pm

@ Tossing

We had some really good teams in the 1980’s, especially the late 80’s. The Jerome Lane moment…send it in Jerome, still the most defining moment in Pitt basketball lure.
Pitt’s top 2 all-time leading scorers came out of the 1980’s. Charles Smith & Clyde Vaughn

1974 is still our best team ever, they won 22 games in a row and produced PITT’s best player EVER. That of course being Billy Knight. And got to the Elite 8, losing to National champion NC State on basically their home court.

The late 70’s gave us Sam Clancy and several good teams that made the NCAA’s.

People act like we never had a good basketball team before. We did.

What changed in 2000, was PITT invested several HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR$ IN THE PROGRAM.

Had we done that sooner, we would have had sustained success quicker.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:39 pm

Ok, my list is getting longer ……..


Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:41 pm

PK – I have read that as well but I don’t think it’s set in stone because he’s 19 and because it is a prep school (think Fitz). I obviously hope he does come, even if it’s for just a year, but if there is any loophole, you know Pitt will get screwed over with that loophole. I’m just trying to not get my hopes up. Early in the season when they were struggling with LBS and Rider, I kept thinking, “wow, Birch and Adams together are going to be awesome.” How did that turn out?

Comment by Mac 01.11.12 @ 9:41 pm

Since a kid, always paid attention to Clemson, think it was the tiger paw on the helmet.

They went 10-3 this year, got blown out by WVU in the bowl game,


LMAO. Good night all!!!

Comment by Dan 01.11.12 @ 9:43 pm

Did birch take our soul to UNLV?

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 9:43 pm

Never thought it would get this bad. According to most reports Pitt had not been getting out recruited by rutgers, depaul, Cincinnati, etc so it is time to ask are the panthers getting out coached??

Comment by John 01.11.12 @ 9:43 pm

I wonder if we scotch drinkers can set up some sort of sharing system. I went out for more at halftime and decided it was better for my temprament not to watch. I saw all I needed to see in the Depaul game. No way this team wins even a single game. Woodall is not the answer.
Jamie better hit the recruiting trail cause the talent is not here. So….how are the Pens doing??
Oh losing too…my have times have changed in Pittsburgh.

Comment by Dan 72 01.11.12 @ 9:43 pm

As an old Pitt fart I remember going to the Field House in 1959 and watching Mike Ditka attempt to play roundball. Iron Mike had iron hands and NO BASKETBALL TALENT.

The coach was Bob Timmons and if you think Jamie looks frustrated you had to see the looks on the faces of the coach and his assistants (I think they had 2 in those days).

We are now in an entirely new phase of Pitt Basketball….rebuilding and don’t be surprised if it take three or four years. Look at what happens to once powerhouse teams when the wheels fall off. St. John’s, Georgetown, Providence, Maryland, St. Bonaventure (yes, the Bonnies), UNLV(No Birch comments, please) etc, etc. Some of these teams have made comebacks, while others fall by the wayside. I believe that Pitt will recover, however, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Dixon head West if the frustration continues for another year or two. Jamie will find a good job….will Pitt find a replacement (if needed) to recruit the talent we will need to stay alive in the ACC? For now WE STINK…the future will be most interesting to watch as it plays out.

Comment by isnore 01.11.12 @ 9:44 pm

To be fair to Miller, he’s been to 2 Elite 8’s.

2004–2005 Xavier 17–12 10–6 T–2nd (West)
2005–2006 Xavier 21–11 8–8 T–7th NCAA 1st Round
2006–2007 Xavier 25–9 13–3 T–1st NCAA 2nd Round
2007–2008 Xavier 30–7 14–2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2008–2009 Xavier 27–8 12–4 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Xavier: 120–47 55–22
Arizona (Pacific-12 Conference) (2009–present)
2009–2010 Arizona 16–15 10–8 4th
2010–2011 Arizona 30–8 14–4 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2011–2012 Arizona 10-5 1-1
Arizona: 56-28 25-13
Total: 176-74

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:45 pm

Oh please Emel. What are you talking about? Just skip all the poor coaches and say money was the reason we won? Please.

When we were good, we had decent coaches who –wait for it — recruited some good players. And you know what? None of those coaches could do it for more than just a few years. Buzz Ridl — do you know who he was? – left after his great year. Evans was incompetent as a coach, although a very good recruiter (or was it his great assistants — look to see who he had). We’ve been very lucky that Howland worked out and so did Dixon — and you can spend money and still hire poor coaches.

Curious Emel –when were you at PItt?

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:47 pm

@Wally – to sooth our Piitsburgh wounds, saying something like “Penn State sucks” would have helped. Now, even that just seems wildly inappropriate. Everything has been taken away.

Comment by T 01.11.12 @ 9:48 pm

Yeah Emel, Miller’s a great coach, we all agree, no dispute, a Pitt guy too. But why should he get a free pass for losing to Pacific Rim and Jamie doesn’t, even though his team has been the best in the BE — the best conference in country, I’m told. Xavier, what conference do they play in?

Comment by velvil 01.11.12 @ 9:49 pm

I’m not calling for Dixon’s head mind you.

What I’ve suggested is, he needs to bring in a top assistant or two. Somebody who can teach a zone or some other type of defense when the MAN to Man is not working, like now.

Didn’t see the Zone being played tonight at all, as the PG article today suggested it would.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:51 pm

Well if it may take years to rebuild I can’t wait for home and homes with unc duke and Syracuse in the acc!!!

Comment by John 01.11.12 @ 9:53 pm

Of course I know who Buzz Ridl is/was. Buzz is dead now. Fran Webster as well.

I was at PITT from 1976-1981.
Eastern 8 baby !

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 9:55 pm

PK – What Dominance??? Dominance is when you win more than a Big East Tourney occasionally and your team isn’t a 1st to 2nd round bust tourney after tourney. Check the definition of Dominance.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.11.12 @ 9:56 pm

@T Penn State Sucks is always appropriate now and forever. Still do the chant every game!

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 9:57 pm

I picked a bad time to lay off the cyanide.

Comment by SFPitt 01.11.12 @ 9:58 pm

And for all the Adams concerns. Kid WANTS to be here. His handlers WANT him to be here. They put him at ND prep for a reason, kept him from playing pro over there for reason. It may only be one year, but it will be interesting to watch.

Looks like I picked the wrong time to quit amphetamines.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 10:04 pm


I wonder how this move to the ACC is going to pan out. The BigEast was great for PITT basketball, for the most part(sans the Willard Era). It’s been terrible for PITT football, pretty much the whole time.

At one time a couple years ago, it looked like both the football program and the hoops program were both going to be top tier programs.

Even Sports Illustrated or someone had the Top 5 or Top 10 universities with both excellent basketball & football programs. And PITT was number 5 I believe. In fact I think I saved that bookmark on my computer somewhere. Since that article was published it’s been all downhill.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 10:05 pm

Look what one recruit did for Indiana! Jamie better get out there.

I almost made my first sports bet tonight since 1986 (almost lost my house on the last one) when I saw that Pitt was favored by 8. Someone should make some money from this travesty.

I grew up with Mickey Martin and played basketball with him almost daily in my teens. He was superhuman on the court and I got to go along for the ride as his team in the 70’s under Buzz Ridl had a great year. Lost to David Thompson and NC State in the NCAA’s. As a coach, I tried for years to figure out Tim Gurgerich’s Amoeba Defense (looks like a matchup zone but is really a man/man d) but never could

These are brutal sports times in the great city on this earth. Pens lost again…hey maybe the Pirates will be goo…oh nevermind, I’m not that drunk.

So here’s how it’s going to go. Flyers win the Cup, Ravens the Super Bowl, WVU the national championhsip.

Hide the women and children, it’s going to get ugly!!

Comment by Dan 72 01.11.12 @ 10:22 pm

Dear Pitt:

How would you like to contine playing at MSG for your conference tournaments? We might’ve moved too fast on our “deal.”

Comment by The Atlantic Coast Conference 01.11.12 @ 10:23 pm

Emel it all depends on when we actually start playing in the ACC.
Obviously we will have a very rough time of it if we start in 2013. Call me a cockeyed optimist because I have feeling that we will start to show some improvement by 2014. My reasoning is that Jamie has no choice in recruiting, shooters are priority #1. I believe that Pitt has a good enough reputation to still be attractive to players of very high quality.
The one MAJOR concern that I have is that in order to accomplish any kind of a turnaround Pitt has to upgrade its basketball assistants. Jamie is now a one man show and it AIN’T WOIKING (as they say in Noo Yawk).

Comment by isnore 01.11.12 @ 10:23 pm

Jamie has lost this team. He deserves one more year to right the ship or everything he has done prior to this year means nothing. That was EMBARRASSING. How those guys can even show their faces on campus tomorrow is beyond me. They don’t care right now. Maybe Khem Birch knows a lot more than we do.

Comment by Bobby 01.11.12 @ 10:26 pm

Thid team needs a fix and quick. Pathetic outing. These are Jamie’s kids.

Comment by Pitt Is IT 01.11.12 @ 10:28 pm

Looking over the game stat sheet. haha (glutton for punishment)

We shot 21% from the floor(12-57) with Moore leading the Panthers with 10 points on 2-10 FG shooting. I think it only got above 20% because of some very late garbage baskets. (or Mike Rice felt sorry for us)

Gibbs had 8 points on 2-11 FG shooting(0-7 from 3) (why he is still playing PG is anyone’s guess, I guess no one else can play it)

Zanna had 6 points(2-7) and a whopping 2 rebounds.
Patterson had 2 points (1-7) and 5 rebounds.
Sleepy has one of his more memorable performances,
0 points and 3 rebounds. (yes as one can see Sleepy certainly should have got more minutes than Birch)
Robinson had 7 points (3-9) and 9 rebounds
Epps had 0 points and 4 assists (led the team in assists in only 11 minutes)
Wright had 0 points and 1 rebound.
Johnson had 6 points (2-8), both 3’s and 1 assist

Rutgers only shot 40% FG and had a whopping 19 turnovers but still won by 23 points.

Though our rebounding finally fell apart, Rutgers outrebounded PITT by 18 rebounds. Can you say Sleepy Zanna?

10,812 unbelieving souls witness this fiasco.
Most were in varying states of yawning through out the game. Not many were left by the 5 minute mark. Sort of similar to a PITT football game, without Sweet Caroline.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 10:38 pm

Emel, I’m not saying there weren’t good teams – especially those 80’s teams. Pre 64 teams in the tourney and you lose me…sorry. What I’m saying is that Pitt has never had the sustained success it has now and I would take this decade over those decades in a heartbeat. The 80’s teams were great but they had the underachieving tag…these teams have always had the overachieving tag, including the Blair years. It’s one bad year and the coaching turnover and misses in recruiting have caught up to Dixon but he and the team can recover moving forward.

Dixon has had his teams within a play of doing something special. The ball just hasn’t bounced Pitt’s way. Most people believe that Dixon will eventually get over the hump and I happen to as well. Mix in Patterson, Moore, Zanna, Gilbert and JJ Johnson with a top 5 recruiting class and it could happen. Those are all quality role players. The team’s not without talent, it’s without leadership and elite talent (was supposed to be Taylor and Birch).

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.11.12 @ 10:45 pm

What’s really funny (well not really) but it is interesting.

Sleepy is getting less minutes than Zanna these days. Only got 15 minutes tonight.

So in effect, Birch lost his minutes to Sleepy when he came back from his Migraines. And now Sleepy has lost those extra minutes to Zanna.

If any of that makes sense.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 10:45 pm

I remember searching the halls in high school when I had off years. Maybe Jamie should watch some frat games. Certainly someone played point in high school and could help.

I again, will offer my solution that will at least help us win A Game. Put John Johnson at point guard and leave him there. Move Gibbs to the 2. After that, it really doesn’t matter…the rest of the “talent” is about even.

Comment by Dan 72 01.11.12 @ 10:53 pm

Dixon has had his teams within a play of doing something special. The ball just hasn’t bounced Pitt’s way. Most people believe that Dixon will eventually get over the hump and I happen to as well.
Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.11.12 @ 10:45 pm

Yes, I know, the Kent State game, the Marquette game, the Okla State game, the Pacific game, the Bradley Game, the Michigan State game, the Villanova game,the Xavier game & last but not least the Butler game. No the ball didn’t bounce our way in any of these games. I remember them all like they were played yesterday.

You either get over the hump…or the hump becomes a Mountain…. to high to get to the other side. Only time will tell.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 11:00 pm

Agree Dan 72

and I’ve said it before. You’re taking your best scorer(Gibbs) and negating him by playing him at PG. If Johnson at 6’1″ tall can’t play PG, why in the heck was he recruited.

And since you lost your #2 scorer (at the time) Woodall, why on Earth would you put your #1 score in a position that negates his scoring ability.

Woodall is really a PG either, so he really hasn’t recruited a true PG since LeVance Fields, how many years ago was that?

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 11:05 pm

Should read, Woodall isn’t really a PG either. (my bad)

Oh and I forgot Epps, and I’m sure Dixon would like to too.

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 11:10 pm

Emel, Syracuse and Kansas have both lost to 15 seeds. Uconn lost to George Mason. The list goes on and on. Yes, you have to get over the hump but it generally takes a while. Look at the struggles Florida and Donovan have had since they won their back to back titles. It’s not easy to be one of the last 4 teams standing in a 64 team tourny. Pitt has never had the elite talent to compete but their recruiting classes continue to get better (ranking wise anyways). They’ve missed on a couple of recruits and Dixon’s had his staff poached. There are going to be growing pains. Even Belichek (sp?) has admitted that the continual turnover on his staff has diminished his results. The announcer today said that a former NBA and college coach sat in on Dixon’s practice – he is highly respected in the coaching worlds.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 01.11.12 @ 11:12 pm

Correct spelling is Belicheat I believe. haha :-)

Yea, I heard that, Reggie Theus. Quite ironic because Reggie Theus played at UNLV, where you know who transferred to.

When it rains it pours sometimes. It’s pouring at PITT these days. Better days ahead !!!

V e V
H T P !

Comment by Emel 01.11.12 @ 11:26 pm

The bust of Dante is really showing right now. Having any semblance of an inside game would change this team in a hundred ways. Arron Gray transformed to an NBA player. Dante looks exactly how he did as a freshman.

Comment by 429Meyran 01.11.12 @ 11:48 pm

WOW. speechless …

Comment by dish 01.12.12 @ 1:01 am

Problem, Pitt can’t score the ball because they like to shoot long range jumpers. Scoring the ball comes from driving to the hoop. We don’t do that. Driving to the hoop creates fouls and free shots. It also creates room for jump shots. Jamie knows this so watch them attack the rim offensively next game. As far as Gibbs funk, it is hard to accept that your game is just not good enough for the league. He will snap out of it soon.

Secondly, we just don’t play defense with passion.

Jamie will be fine with the incoming class and he will really need to watch recruiting head cases with their respective possies like Khem. Do not despair grasshoppers, we will win some games.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.12.12 @ 2:12 am

What are the chances we see Barry Rohrssen back in Oakland next year?

Comment by ECH 01.12.12 @ 6:05 am

The sad part is I do not even see potential. What player on this team can you point to and say “he is gonna be a good player”…NONE. Gibbs is proving he was never and will never be a NBA player. What was dixon looking at when he recruited these guys…He needs to change his approach to meet the talents (or lack thereof) of these kids…These kids have no discipline…firing up 3 pointers

Comment by keith 01.12.12 @ 6:47 am

It was all Tino’s fault

Comment by wbb 01.12.12 @ 7:22 am

Well there goes the rationalization out the window when talking Pitt football fortunes that “no matter, Pitt is a basketball school, anyhow”.

OK, Paul Chryst, now on top of all the other pressures imposed on your new head coaching career, you’ll be expected to produce a good enough football team next season to help all the Pitt faithful forget about this impending disaster of a basketball season.

Don’t you love being a Pitt Panther fan!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.12.12 @ 7:49 am

Shooting long range jumpers all night drove me crazy. The reason this team doesn’t drive to the basket is simple….bad ball handling. Did you notice how many times Nasir was stripped of the ball? We have a team that can’t drive to the basket. I believe that I am understating the problem. Anything close to the hoop is in a danger zone.
Think of how many times easy putbacks were clanging off iron. We have players as tall as the California Redwoods and they can’t get inside for 2 points. THIS TEAM IS SUPER SOFT!!!!!
NO GUTS////NO HEART////NO INTENSITY////NO TALENT AT THIS LEVEL!! Epps and Dante are wasting scholies. Dante is the biggest let down in recent Pitt basketball history. The kid just does not have it!!
Once again I call out the need for better assistants coaches. Jamie needs help!!

Comment by isnore 01.12.12 @ 7:51 am

You all know what we have to do talk football
what is the reason we are still 4 coachs short is he waiting for the pro teams to be done?
could all 4 coachs be comeing from the pros or is he just haveing a hard time finding some one to say yes we will coach at pitt?
AZ penn state and az st have full staff already so what is the hold up with us?

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.12.12 @ 8:18 am

was one of the 10,812 watching the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight. nothing to add to above analysis. same observations: Gibbs has been abducted by Space Jam aliens. Stinks. Sleepy asleep again. Zanna hustles, but loses tussles inside. No toughness inside except Nas, who sucked until last couple min when Rutgers was in merch mode. Nobody effectively drives to the hoop on this team. Very few open looks on O. No effective screens. And outrebounded with our 6’11” center on the pine until the 3:50 mark.

please move Gibbs from PG. play JJohnson there. Move Gilbert into this ineffective lineup. He’s raw, but has potential. Can’t say that about some of our other players.

smattering of boos throughout the Pete for first time in my memory (charter season ticket holder). Bad team. Big challenge for Jamie to win a game, honestly. Can only hope to battle hard against the likes of Marquette, Syracuse & Louisville. will be hard to watch 2 losses against the Hoopies. Going back to 3 stooges reruns.

HTP, but this team is downright embarrassing. Not calling for Jamie’s head like some, but new blood with assistant coaches would be welcome. Have to change it up somehow. Same old O. Same old D. Same old 2012 result: Loss.

Comment by Bossdaws 01.12.12 @ 8:44 am

Lets face it Pittsburgh sports in general is on the down slide.

Steelers entire aging team injured and embarrased in Denver.

Penguins now drop 6 straight and lose the games greatest player…probably forever

The Pirates…well they are the Pirates

Pitt Football had one of the most disappointing seasons combined with a coaching circus

Pitt Basketball suddenly looks like a playground team

And yes even the great State Penn has fallen off the pedestal.

Wow, things are getting ugly in a hurry.

Comment by Coach Ditka 01.12.12 @ 8:46 am

“mercy mode”

Comment by Bossdaws 01.12.12 @ 8:47 am

One of the Rutgers players said they knew how to defend Pitt as they run the same plays year over year and having Rice as an assistant for some time – he knew how Pitt runs their offense. It really looks like the players do not care.

Comment by markp 01.12.12 @ 8:47 am

I know i’m late but, I don’t recall seeing a team, let alone Pitt, ever look this bad. This was like a team of kids off the street who knows nothing about the game playing agaisnt an organized ball club. Nothing to explain except, know i know why Gilbert is on the bench, he’s a project, Pitt is in deep du du, no other explantion is necessary!

Comment by michael 01.12.12 @ 9:14 am

Everyone in basketball knows how to defend everyone else. Other than some “quick-hitter” sets, teams and programs across the country have been running the same offenses for years. It’s a matter of coaching the players to execute, and players having the talent to do it. This team has neither element right now.

Comment by JW 01.12.12 @ 9:27 am

We’ll be fine in the future. In fact, I’d be willing to predict that next year will be a special season. It all depends on whether the current team eventually wakes up, which I believe that they will by the end of the season. Will we make the tournament? No, but at this point, any signs of development will be a step in the right direction. I have no doubt that Jamie Dixon is the man to lead this team into its next phase aka winning national championships. This year is just a bump in the road.

Comment by PatMac 01.12.12 @ 9:36 am

First, comments concerning the game that I attended. First boos ever heard by me at the Pete. The zone D didn’t work at all. But I don’t really find fault in the D. Rutgers shot 40% from the field and only scored 62 points. That’s solid D and doesn’t indicate a lack of effort. The whole problem was the offense and shooting. At one point, Pitt was 4-32 from the field. I don’t care if you have the best D in the history of basketball you are never going to win when you shoot that horrible. And when you shoot that bad, you are always going to get outrebounded. I think the bad shooting has gotten in their heads. For example, Johnson keeps on passing up wide open looks. I think this illustrates the importance of having a quality PG. The offense was 2nd in the nation before Woodall was hurt. Hopefully he’s back soon.

@upittbaseball 6-7 subpar seasons and 1 final four run that’s just silly. I’ve been getting season tickets to Pitt basketball since 2000 and some of the most rewarding wins have been regular season wins by the good “underachieving” Pitt team. I would not trade 10 years of excellent regular seasons with consistent wins over top teams in the nation for 1 flukey tournament run to the Final 4.

@Emel I think you need to take a few deep breaths. Pitt was just a top team with a 1 seed last year. All evidence suggests that the current losing streak is an anomaly. If Pitt keeps losing next year then I’ll join you in the doom and gloom. Also, I can’t agree with your point about Pitt being worse next year because they are losing their top rebounder and scorer. I think in the case of Nasir and Gibbs it will be addition by subtraction. Nasir is undersized and isn’t a good shooter. His game last night was HORRIBLE. And Gibbs, he can’t play D and right now can’t shoot (Pitt was fine without a better shooting Gibbs last year). Gibbs and Nasir are the two biggest reasons as to why Pitt is struggling.

Bottom line it comes down to this, how many teams in the nation would be able to lose their starting PG and starting 5 (Birch was playing minutes and although up and down had good performances and was giving minutes, his “replacement” barely plays and clearly needed to be redshirted, in December and then keep on winning? (Not to mention the fact that Pitt lost 3 senior who contributed tons of minutes from the previous season).

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.12.12 @ 9:37 am

A program just can’t survive this much bad recruiting……

I want to know which assistant coach brought Taylor and Zanna in. I’ve never seen two lousier, softer big men. Think combined they had like 5 rebounds last night against a crappy Rutgers front line.

And Taylor and Zanna are the guys we kept. Let’s not forget about the Dwight Millers and the JJ Richardsons — big men who were even lousier.

And then I want to know which ass’t coach thought Epps and Wright were Big East guards.

Ridiculous. Bad inside and bad outside.

Comment by hugh green 01.12.12 @ 9:43 am

info pitt s new RB coach name is Eddie Faulkner

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.12.12 @ 9:46 am

info our new rb coach played at wisonsin 1996 to 2000 he coached at ball state or northern illinois.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.12.12 @ 9:56 am

from NIU site when Dave Doering hired Faulkner last year:

Faulkner has coached the running backs at Ball State since 2005 and has been the Cardinals’ offensive coordinator for the last two seasons. Under his direction, tailback MiQuale Lewis set the Ball State single season rushing record during the Cardinals’ undefeated Mid-American Conference regular season campaign in 2008. Ball State was ranked for nine straight weeks that season and achieved a ranking of as high as No. 12 in the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) standings.

The previous year, the BSU backfield tallied nearly 2,000 rushing yards despite losing Lewis in the fifth game of the season. Ball State played in bowl games following both the 2007 and 2008 seasons. After beginning his coaching career at Anderson University in 2002 as running backs coach and junior varsity offensive coordinator, Faulkner, a native of Muncie, spent the 2003 and 2004 seasons on the Ball State coaching staff as a graduate assistant coach.

He was a four-year letterwinner at tailback for the University of Wisconsin and helped the Badgers to two Big Ten Championships and five bowl games during his playing career. After graduating from UW, he was a free agent signee of the National Football League’s Pittsburgh Steelers in 2001 and played professionally with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian Football League

Comment by wbb 01.12.12 @ 9:59 am

It’s not bad recruiting per se. Taylor, Zanna, Wright and Epps were all recruited by big programs and given offers by big programs. So it is more along the lines of a development issue. Players develop by getting minutes and only Woodall, Nasir and Gibbs had signficant minutes last year.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.12.12 @ 10:03 am

It’s recruiting. Taylor and Zanna are soft. You don’t develop SOFT. Minutes don’t help soft. Minutes also don’t help unathletic. Neither Taylor or Zanna can block a shot because they don’t get up fast or high enough.

Minutes also don’t make Epps thinner or quicker or make Wright’s shot stop having sidespin.

Comment by hugh green 01.12.12 @ 10:27 am

put in mark myers

Comment by paul shannon 01.12.12 @ 10:36 am

Devonte Watson blocks in double figures since he’s been at Lincoln Park, he’ll be heading to Temple next year. So if Pitt were looking for defense, this kid was in their back yard!

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