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December 28, 2011

Some FB Recruiting Info

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Players,Recruiting — Reed @ 6:42 pm

The PITT Blather is in the “Dead Period”  where there isn’t much football news to discuss so let’s throw some info around.

There have been some legitimate worries about how Paul Chryst is going to be able to finish off the PITT 2012 recruiting class.  Sometimes you need a Mayan Calendar to know who can do what and when during these last few months.   Here is a good PDF that shows the calendar dates and what recruiters can do during them:   2012 Recruiting Dates.

Now that you have that here are the definitions for what can or can’t be done during those times:  NCAA Definitions.  Here are the three which concern us the most .

Contact Period   During this time, a college coach may have in-person contact with you and/or your parents on or off the college’s campus. The coach may also watch you play or visit your high school. You and your parents may visit a college campus and the coach may write and telephone you during this period.

Quiet Period   The college coach may not have any in-person contact with you or your parents off the college’s campus. The coach may not watch you play or visit your high school during this period. You and your parents may visit a college campus during this time. A coach may write or telephone you or your parents during this time.

Dead Period   The college coach may not have any in-person contact with you or your parents at any time in the dead period. The coach may write and telephone you or your parents during this time.

The bottom line is that it is always a “Contact Period” except when it isn’t.

Since there is a Dead Period until Jan 3 anyway he’s not missing much on the recruiting side by being at the Rose Bowl until that date because he can still call the recruits.

But the key for Paul Chryst is going to be the Jan 13-28 Contact Period is when he’s going to do his lion’s share of recruiting as he can host recruits on campus and call them as much as he wants.  That’s 15 days of face to face talks with some of these young players.

Understand that we can only pay for official visits by a recruit but we can meet with anyone who wants to come to campus on their own.

The National LOI (Letter of Intent)  Day is on Feb 3rd this year.  That is when we’ll find out how well this recruiting class actually stuck together.

What are his priorities other than reassuring our committed kids?  Here is a list of the remaining prospects for 2012.  Remember that what positions Chryst has developed with the most success has been OL, RB and TE.  Any of those on this list will be listening to him very closely.

Nat’l
Rank
Name
School,   Hometown
  HTWT
 
OG 7 Ryan Watson
(Our Lady Good Counsel HS)
6-3/265
RB 9  Wes Brown(Our Lady Good Counsel HS) 6-0/190
TE 10 J.P. Holtz
(Shaler Area HS)
6-4/235
S 10 Demetrious Cox
(Jeannette SHS)
6-1/185
OLB 17 Deaysean Rippy
(Sto-Rox HS)
6-2/200
MLB 15 T.J. Neal
(McKeesport Area SHS)
6-1/225
MLB 22 Jaylen Coleman
(University Prep)
6-0/230
OLB 33 Nyeem Wartman
(Valley View HS)
6-3/230
S 35 Bam Bradley
(Trotwood-Madison HS)
6-1/195
OG 53 Treyvon Hester
(Penn Hills SHS)
6-3/275
DE 53 Darryl Render
(St. Edward HS)
6-3/250
CB 54 V’Angelo Bentley
(Glenville HS)
5-10/182
OLB 61 Alkwan Williams
(Greater Johnstown SHS)
6-1/210
S 67 Jared Johnson
(So Grand Prairie HS)
6-2/205
OG 86 Ryan Anderson
(Roosevelt HS)
6-4/300

As to how late in the recruiting game it is getting I’ll reprint this:

Here’s who committed after Jan 1st:

2009

Schlieper- 2/03 – LOI Day
Gordon – 1/30
Mason – 1/22
Nunez – 1/20
Hendricks – 1/11
Gray – 1/11

2008 – 6 players

2007 – 6 players

2006 – 5 players

2011 was a weird recruiting class with all the defections after DW’s firing so we had 17 kids verbal after Jan 1st – and that turned out to be a pretty good class which may actually be a great one in a year or two.

So, don’t worry too much about how late in the game it’s getting – Chryst and staff have more than enough time to close deals with the recruits they want.

Chris Dokish has an excellent article on the Top 20 Pennsylvania Prospects. Dokish is a great resource on PITT football news and especially on the High School recruiting scene.  Take a look and see what may be in store for us down the road.The real needs on that list, and the names most bandied about by the recruiting services, are Ryan Watson, J. P. Holtz. Demetrious Cox, Drew Harris, Nyeem Wartman and Bam Bradley.  Wartman is still a PSU ‘soft’ verbal but he’s made it known he’s open to other schools.  If Chryst can close on three of those six it would be a major coup and go a long way toward assuaging people’s fear about his recruiting.





Very ominous, “Mayan calender” ans “last few monrhs”, am I not ever going to see Pitt playing in the ACC?????

Oh, last few months of recruiting, ok.

Anyone hear anything on anyone PC was recruiting for Wisconsin, or any other coaches he may bring with him that were recruiting kids for Wisky that may change their minds and come with the coach??

Chas, maybe some on your list includes some of those, or is that Pitt’s list leftover from Fraud Graham??

Comment by Dan 12.28.11 @ 6:58 pm

Here are some OL men that our new OC BOSTAD was talking to but did not have commit to wisconsin may be they werent good enough who knows
but hear they are
1 alex kozan 6 foot 4 300 pounds
2 sam lee 6 foot 5 300 pounds
3 bryson johnson 6 foot 2 285 pounds
4 sam colon 6 foot 5 255 pounds
5 trent denlinger 6 foot 5 265 pounds
when i looked it up yesterday they were all not commited and fair game if you wanted them if they would come.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 7:41 pm

ment here

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 7:43 pm

this was posted abought 2 hours ago paul randolph will leave after pitts bowl game to join TG staff in az state

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 7:57 pm

Maybe Zeise was run over bye a raindeer on christmas insted of granmaw he has not posted in 3 days.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 8:02 pm

Dan are you there.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 8:42 pm

Frank, I think you’re on to something! I saw a few cars that spun off the road on 376 near the airport this morning. I hope he not off the road in a ravine. It has to be either the raindeer or black ice, that kept Paul Zeise from posting on his blog today.

Comment by Justinian 12.28.11 @ 9:13 pm

Chryst will end up being a far better recruiter and evaluator of talent than Jamie Dixon. Moreover, he’ll know how to better use what he’s got. Basketball is crashing and burning due to mediocre players with low ceilings. Hopefully, Chryst will play freshmen and have them make mistakes and gain valuable experience. Hopefully, Chryst will recruit players that are tough, leaders and won’t quit. Hopefully, Chryst will continue to be innovative and adapt. Dixon should be paying close attention.

Comment by TX Panther 12.28.11 @ 9:14 pm

Info for you there were 26 head coaching positions open this year 25 of them are filled.
only penn state does not have a head coach.
how the mighty have fallen.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 9:30 pm

Justinian that must be it on 376 you say oh well them dam deer

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.28.11 @ 9:34 pm

Render hasn’t decommitted, has he?

Comment by wbb 12.28.11 @ 9:41 pm

reed, drew harris is committed to virginia tech, i believe. does he still have interest in pitt or no? i also thought that greg garmon and lorenzo phillips have cut pitt from there lists of contenders.

Comment by pk 12.28.11 @ 9:50 pm

TX Panther. Check back with us in 10 years and we will compare PC’s coaching record to JD’s. I hope it is half as good.

Comment by TigerPaul 12.28.11 @ 10:12 pm

FYI, the ACC will discuss which divisions Pitt and Syracuse will be in, at their February meetings.

Atlantic………….Coastal

Boston College…….Duke
Clemson…………..Georgia Tech
Florida State……..Miami
Maryland………….North Carolina
N.C. State………..Virginia
Wake Forest……….Virginia Tech

If Pitt is sent to the Coastal and Cuse to Atlantic, then, likely, they would be each others cross over rival (they always play every year).

If Pitt is sent to the Atlantic, Cuse to the Coastal, then many people feel that a couple cross over games will change.

BC would like Syracuse to be their crossover game, and Va. Tech would like Pitt to be theirs.

Just some fun info for the future.

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 1:26 am

p.s. They are likely to keep the division system. According to them, great rivalries have developed, and the competiveness is almost unbelievable, something like 58-56, division vs. division.

Also, talking about a 9 game conference schedule.

Would be the other 6 teams in your division, your 1 crossover rival (played every year), and you would rotate 2 games each year from the other division.

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 2:04 am

p.s.s. On a bad note, apparently lately the Big East is said to be holding firm on keeping Pitt, WVU and Cuse to the end of the 2013 season.

They say it isn’t about money either, they don’t want any buy outs, its about scheduling.

Hopefully this is just cover. Hopefully we can be in there for at least the start of the 2013 season.

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 2:06 am

pk – you are correct. I actually don’t follow recruiting very closely until the last week of Jan – I will make corrections.

Comment by Reed 12.29.11 @ 6:45 am

I’m concerned that Paul Chryst hasn’t named any more of his coaching staff yet. It is hard to hit the road running if his guys aren’t staged at the starting line come Jan 3rd. What’s up with that I’m wondering?

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.29.11 @ 7:40 am

If Chryst doesn’t take Pitt to the next level which is a BCS birth, he’ll be gone when his contract expires. I believe the same standard should apply to Dixon. Where is my Final Four? I’m still waiting for Jamie to take us to the next level after 10 years. It might be time to cut bait after next year because there won’t be any more excuses of inexperience or lack of elite talent whith the two studs coming in. We’ll see if Dixon plays them and then how he uses them. Chryst has gotten several players into the NFL. That’s what elite recruits want. You win with elite players. You listening Jamie Dixon??

Comment by TX Panther 12.29.11 @ 7:42 am

For the short term … I’m more interested in who will comprise the new Pitt coaching staff, especially since many of the current commits appear to want to stay.

don’t know what to make of Chryst not naming any assistants so far (except Bostad) .. probably just not enough time.

I know Dokish wrote a couple of times that he thought Todd Orlando would be the new DC … yet I read where current Boston College DC, Bill McGovern, would be interviewing here. He was a former Pitt assistant in late 90s and an obvious Pedersen contact .. and if true that he is intervieiwing here, it may be a sign that Orlando is not coming.

Comment by wbb 12.29.11 @ 8:56 am

@TX Panther… come on dude. Chryst hasn’t coached one game yet and you are saying he is going to be better than Dixon. Dixon recruits talent and has been getting top talent. All of the “misses” like Cam Wright are still pretty young and had offers from everywhere. Dante Taylor while not young was an All-American with offers from everywhere and any coach would have taken him. People like you, are way too concerned with a Final Four appearances. Lots of teams get lucky and make the Final Four. You know what is a lot easier than winning 4 straight single elimination games to get to the Final 4, winning the terrible BE football conference and getting to a BCS game. Winning the Big East in football to get a BCS birth is like getting to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament. I’d much rather you cut bait with being a Pitt fan than Pitt ever consider cut bait with Dixon.

Comment by Wardapalooza 12.29.11 @ 8:56 am

The overreaction to the current state of Pitt BB is (I guess) normal in these blogs by anonymous posters.

The criterion is this — if we fire Jamie (a ridiculous scenario in my mind), will we be sure to get someone better?

Hiring coaches, as we have witnessed, is as big of crapshoot as is March Madness. Thus, while we may be dissatisfied by a current team’s performance, you better be damned sure that you are able to improve if you’re firing a successful coach.

Comment by wbb 12.29.11 @ 9:19 am

Wardapalooza +1. You said what I would have said, without the profanity.

Comment by KeithS 12.29.11 @ 9:22 am

Chryst said at his initial presser that he had a ‘core’ group of guys lined up.

Notice that he hasn’t issued any kind of a statement about Bostad nor has PITT – it’s been all media reports. I believe there is a reason for that and that it’s because Chryst isn’t officially the HC at PITT until he’s finished with his bowl game with Wisconsin.

Coach’s contracts run annually until the end of the last game of that season. In his case that would be the final gun of the Rose Bowl. He can certainly still make phone calls and let the prospective PITT recruits know he’s coming onboard and that they are wanted but notice that there has been no formal work as the HC being done by him yet – only a presser and interviews.

We may hear of our possible, or probable, ass’t coaches through the media but he won’t formally announce a staff until Jan 3.

FRANKCAN – as for Zeise, I’m thinking that he’s on holiday vacation which would make sense. There really isn’t anything of note to report regarding PITT football at this moment anyway. There’s tons of fodder for blogs & boards but no real substance.

Comment by Reed 12.29.11 @ 9:24 am

Unlike us …. Zeise normally doesn’t post anything unless he hasn’t something to post about.

There just isn’t much to post about

Comment by wbb 12.29.11 @ 9:27 am

Reed, forgot to add to the above, that what you said about no announcements being made by Pitt makes a lot of sense. There is certainly no reason to panic .. I guess I’m just really curious about who Chryst hires

Comment by wbb 12.29.11 @ 9:29 am

Chryst got this kid to commit to the Badgers. The kid is from CA so that is a good sign.

link to espn.go.com

Comment by Why me 12.29.11 @ 9:37 am

I’m glad to see that TX Panther is the only one jumping off the Dixon bandwagon so far. I still have a comfortable seat on it. Plenty of legroom.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 12.29.11 @ 9:43 am

Reed, any word on Mason’s rehab or Murphy’s status?

Comment by gc 12.29.11 @ 9:46 am

I can’t believe that I read someone wants Dixon gone…

1) That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard (and will hear) all week. Dxon is one of the top-10 coaches in college BB. he is having a rough year because there was a lot of transition since last season, and he had a top talent (and only real inside precense) quit on him.

2) So you want Dixon to be fired… okay. Who would you have replace him that is better AND/OR would give us a better chance of making it to the Final Four?

Now, lets’ get back to the football recruiting topic.

Comment by Panther3321 12.29.11 @ 9:48 am

“Chryst will end up being a far better recruiter and evaluator of talent than Jamie Dixon.”

Brilliant, TX Panther. In the eight full seasons that Jamie has been Pitt’s coach, he has the best record in the BE over that time span. In fact, Jamie is the winningest in Big East history. That is, he is the winningest coach in the nation’s most competitive conference. He has been voted the national coach of the year. He made it to the NCAA tourney every year.

I’m wasting my time responding to you. You don’t have a clue about what you are talking about.

Comment by BigGuy 12.29.11 @ 9:51 am

I’ll take Final Fours over winning the Big East any day. I’m running out of patience.

Dixon needs to step up recruiting to get there. There are two recruits coming next year that are elite. He won’t have excuses if he doesn’t get there when he has the talent and the experience. I’m beginning to question his coaching and his system and use of players.

How much longer is the administration going to give him until his teams start making noise in the tournament? I’m not saying I want him gone at this point. I’m saying that he will be on the hot seat soon.

Do you really think Pitt would keep a football coach that goes 10-2 each year, occassionally wins the Big East and a BCS birth, BUT loses its Bowl games and doesn’t put players into the pros? Wanny could have done that if given more time. Why is Jamie given more time each year? Answer me that yinzers.

Comment by TX Panther 12.29.11 @ 10:16 am

Wow Tx??? I usually agree with you.

My goodness, I’d love to have a football coach that went 10-2 each year. Occaisionally wins the Big East or soon to be ACC, gets a BCS birth. Even if he loses the bowl game. Kids to the pros, who cares??

Wow, I’d take that in a minute, haven’t had that here since Sherrill.

I assume your comment about Wanny was tongue in cheek, as he had 6 years?? No BCS in a crap league? Overall winning percentage of %57?

The more I think about it, I think I’m catching on, that your whole thing is being sarcastic!!!!

You are be sarcastic right, just jaggin’ the wires of some posters???

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 10:30 am

@Reed, someone wants you at a health club now!!
Might be one of those places with a “happy” ending the way they have organized their sentences!!! LMAO!!

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 10:34 am

tx panther. ask anyone who has coached or played college basketaball if its easy to win in the tournament. youre playing against one of the top 68 or whatever it is teams in the country, most are evenly matched and if you look, the last couple of losses in the tourney for pitt arent jamies fault. is it jamies fault that the players stood by and watched scotty reynolds drive to the hoop? no. is it jamies fault that nas fouls someone on a rebound to give butler the game winning free throws? no. now, ill say this, i am questioning jamie dixons system, or more accurately, his inability to adapt what he does to his teams talents. this pitt team is simply not capable of slowing down the pace, playing tough defense, and dominating the glass, yet jamie keeps relying on these things to win games, and, you know what? theyre not working this year. he doesnt have the horses this season. and next years recruiting class is good, but until jamie gets legitimate pure scoring threats not much is going to change from the past 10 years. all of the elite teams have guys who can drop 30 any given night against any given opponent and pitt has never had that. pitt also never had final four. see a connection? he can get all the forwards aND CENTERS IN THE WORLD, BUT UNTIL HE RECRUITS ELITE GAURDS IT WILL STAY THE SAME

Comment by pk 12.29.11 @ 10:41 am

TX – You’re kidding, right?

10-2 every year? Win the conference but lose the bowl? Yes, I’ll take it. Players to the pros? Nice but not necessary.

That kind of success would rival anything Pitt has seen since most of us have been alive.

Comment by dinosaur 71 12.29.11 @ 10:48 am

For conversation purposes also. Getting to the tournament is still a relatively an excellent accomplishment.

Much moreso than getting to a bowl.

About 119 teams in D1 football. 70 go to bowls. Thats about 57.3%.

About 341 teams in D1 hoops. 68 go to tourney, thats 19.8%

So, it’s still an accomplishment, just to get to the tourney, let alone, get to the tourney 10 or 11 straight years, in the toughest hoops conference.

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 11:00 am

@Reed, larger textiles and healthy foods,
aisle 4, amber light special!!!

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 11:03 am

@Reed, you do your eyelashes?? You sly dog!!!!

Comment by Dan 12.29.11 @ 11:14 am

How spoiled we’ve become. It appears that this will be the first time Jamie will not maintain the standard started in Howland’s last year.

If not for DeJuan Blair being a stud as a freshman this would have happened several years ago.

It is disappointing that we have no dominant players or great players this year. Gibbs or Nas can be that guy on a given night, but they are not going to do it every night.

The real difference is the lack of any muscle underneath the basket.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, mine is that Jamie is an elite coach who has been loyal to us, we should be loyal to him.

He has done by far more with his talent level than any coach in the Big East and maybe in the country. Maybe not this year, but he will do it again.

Comment by gc 12.29.11 @ 11:16 am

Pitt BB is def in a down year, but if you it is absolutely insane to even consider firing him. Do Boheim, Calhoun, and Pitino go the final four ever year? No they don’t. Jamie is a relatively young coach and has continued to build an amazing program here at Pitt…I also agree with one point pk made about the guards….Did the UCONN big men put the team on their backs and single handedly win them a championship?? NO! Kemba Walker was THE reason they won those game. Pitt has never had that type of player, and with recent recruiting successes lets hope Jamie looks the way of a star guard instead of a gritty defensive guard.

Comment by BCPITT 12.29.11 @ 11:32 am

hire the Hurleys & be done with it!!
If Dixon doesn’t have players needed to compete in BE, who is to blame?? Dave Wannstedt??
I think JD is a good coach, great face of program, but game day coach?? inflexible as Wannstedt! this team has athelets, time to run & press. If you are averaging 20 TO a game, what do u lose by running??

Comment by Punxy Panther 12.29.11 @ 11:32 am

latest on Khem Birch … appears that he really did want to play the 4

link to aol.sportingnews.com

Comment by wbb 12.29.11 @ 12:29 pm

we ARE spoiled as Pitt hoop fans under Howland and now Jamie. They have elevated our program to an elite class—that is why this year’s team is so disappointing. we are used to better.

Jamie is a Naismith winner and a great coach. But he needs help from his assistants and his players to maintain his success. Hope he has that go-to asst this yr to analyze this horrid D. and and bad performances on O by many.

We are a deceiving 11-3, based on a soft schedule. this team lacks the talent and toughness of past squads, but the season is far from over. Would love to see a zone sometime with Gilbert in the middle. Would love to see an up tempo approach to O., which might open Gibbs up for more space to shoot.

If not, I still love Jamie D. and can live thru an “off” year with this disappointing crew. But great coaches adjust, and adjustments as mentioned on this blog would be welcome. HTP

and are “True Religious Jeans” the kind you pray you can still get into?

Comment by Bossdaws 12.29.11 @ 12:37 pm

TX – you said “Do you really think Pitt would keep a football coach that goes 10-2 each year, occassionally wins the Big East and a BCS birth, BUT loses its Bowl games and doesn’t put players into the pros?”

OH HELL YES THEY WOULD!!! They would be turning somersaults for that.

As long as that HC has kept his nose and the football program clean and incident & scandal free.

Comment by Reed 12.29.11 @ 12:41 pm

Pitt has yet to release birch from his commitment. how long does Pitt control the situation==if any control?? birch can not transfer w/out being released.

Comment by DC33 12.29.11 @ 1:29 pm

@ Punxy…Who said JD doesn’t have players to compete in the Big East??? He only has his squad in contention to win the conference regular and post season titles every single year!! BTW those go to NBA-quality guards like Khemba Walker don’t just grow on trees. I guess Jamie should have physically gone out on the court and defended Scottie Reynolds himself in the E8 a couple years ago?? Jamie is a winner and an amazing coach…if you want to jump ship then go ahead but don’t come back around singing his praises when he proves you doubters wrong.

Comment by BCPITT 12.29.11 @ 1:37 pm

DC33 Birch can transfer and do whatever he wants, but if Pitt doesn’t release him from ship he has to pay his own way.

Comment by BCPITT 12.29.11 @ 1:39 pm

BCPITT == thanks == does that mean that Pitt could jam birch for his entire eligibilty?

Comment by DC33 12.29.11 @ 2:41 pm

DC33 – I’m pretty sure it is just one year – please someone correct me if i’m wrong.

Essentially he would have to walk on some place for one year, wouldn’t be able to play the year due to ncaa transfer rules, and then be eligible for a scholarship and playing time the following year.

Comment by BCPITT 12.29.11 @ 2:49 pm

BCPITT – I believe that if Dixon doesn’t release Birch from his scholarship means that that particular scholarship can’t be used for anyone else.

In essence Dixon would be cutting of his nose to spite his face in purposely losing a scholarship.

I think that’s how it works. Perhaps Chas can clarify…

Comment by Reed 12.30.11 @ 7:10 am

Good point == thanks for the clarification == could someone comment as to why gilbert has so few minutes? Adams comes in next year & is projected as a 2013 lottery pick. would think jd would want gilbert to gain experience so he is not in the same quandary in the future. also, would like to see the combination of jj & patterson in the backcourt w/zanna & gilbert up front & rotate naz & moore @ the 3 spot. get out & run a little == happy new year == Hail to Pitt

Comment by DC33 12.30.11 @ 8:55 am

Birch is a head case let him go. Jamie has 2 blue chips coming next yr . Hail To Pitt

Comment by 63Team 12.30.11 @ 5:11 pm

Reed,

I don’t know the answer to this one either. But, I have always believed the opposite to be true. I can’t see why the ship can’t be used since even if someone is not released they don’t get any funds since they aren’t in school any longer.

I do know it doesn’t change the transferring player’s eligibility date at the new school. All it does is prevent him from being on a ship at his new school until that one year period has passed which means he cannot attend and practice with the team at his new school unless paying his own way. At a minimum it would require the transferee to pay his own way during the January-May semester or wait till at least the fall to (maybe the following December/January) to enroll on scholarship at the new school and become immediately eligible.

It would be good to have the straight scoop from a truly knowledgeable person.

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