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June 27, 2011

Zach Brown and the Unknowns

Filed under: Football,Recruiting,Transfer — Chas @ 9:18 am

Morning all. A week plus off for me to recharge the batteries a bit. Mounds of stuff piled up.  Have to say that the downtime from posting for me was surprisingly needed. A break that helps remind me that this should be fun to do — not a grind. A very big thanks to the boys of both the Incline Blog and Fighting Wannstaches for minding the place while I was doing other things. Judging by the volume of comments, I guess they stirred things up in this little sandbox. Don’t forget to check these guys out on their home blogs.

Also, thanks to Silver Panther in NYC for getting his Summer School series going. Judging by the number of posts in the draft queue, you can expect more of this in the coming weeks.

Lets jump back into it. The long (well, maybe a week or so) rumored transfer of Zach Brown from Wisconsin to Pitt for his final year of eligibility finally took place. Brown played three seasons — with diminishing opportunities — took a redshirt and is set to graduate by August. Under NCAA regulations, he can transfer to another school and begin taking graduate level classes if the school to which he is transferring offers a program not offered at his present school.

Brown will offer some needed depth at the tailback position behind Ray Graham without having to rely on converting some other player or putting too much pressure on any of the freshmen.

Somewhat amusingly, the news was effectively broken on the Twitter of Brown’s friend and old teammate (and present Houston Texan) JJ Watt.

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And an opportunity to play any meaningful snaps in a final year of eligibility doesn’t hurt.

Brown is the fourth transfer from a 1-A program, including WR Brendon Felder from UNC along with Ray Vinopal and Cullen Christian from Michigan. Still haven’t heard if Felder will get a hardship waiver from the NCAA to make him eligible this season.

Not technically a transfer, but huge is Price getting his release from Ohio State and coming to Pitt. Also, it is now EJuan Price.

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Glad to get that clarification now, rather than after the media guides go to press.

Now in the past week plus, Pitt finally got some commitments for the 2012 class. The most recent being Alkwan Williams out of Johnstown.

Williams, who has been timed in the 40-yard dash between 4.7 and 4.8 seconds, said Friday he will take his speed and quickness to Pitt, becoming the Panthers’ sixth commitment for the Class of 2012.

Williams, a 6-foot, 225-pound senior, will be a fourth-year starter this fall at middle linebacker and receiver. Pitt recruited him as an outside linebacker. Williams said he chose Pitt over Toledo, Kent State and Temple because he wants to remain close to home.

“We have had some great players here, but his game speed is unbelievable,” Penna said. “There is really not much Alkwan can’t do. He could play defensive tackle if we asked him.”

Williams fits the pattern with the other commits of the previous week. Not exactly high-starred, highly-sought recruits. Guys who had their best offers — prior to Pitt — from MAC schools.

I won’t say that I’m free of worry about the guys recruited. At the same time, there are ways to look at several of the recruits to at least rationalize and make some sense of it.

A guy like Geter seems as much about getting an extra edge in trying to land some more talented teammates from the same school. Brandyn Cook, is out of St. Xavier High in the Cinci area. One of the consistently best high school programs in the country. And somewhere Pitt hasn’t grabbed a recruit since — I don’t even know when.  Another place where Pitt is trying to make inroads, I would hazard a guess.

“Pitt is going in a great direction because it is being led by quality people doing it the right way,” Cook told Sporting News. “Coach (Todd) Graham explained to me that he doesn’t care how good a player is, the player must also be a quality person before he can play at Pitt. These are the reasons I believe we’ll be able to make it to the national championship. He explained to me that Pitt football is going to be a program based on faith, family and hard work … They have top notch-facilities, play in a great conference and are a great academic school.”

Er, I think the quality of the player matters a little.

Right now, this is probably going to be one of the better years in Western PA football talent. Only two of the commits to this point have come from the WPIAL. Part of it is that more talented players tend to wait longer to decide. They have more and better choices.

The other factor is the coaches at Pitt and the WPIAL programs. You may recall how excised many of them were at Wannstedt’s resignation firing. I think we are all acutely aware of how, um, parochial Western PA high school coaches can be.

Graham has only had five months to work to rebuild relations. He’s following a very popular local guy. He’s brought in an entirely new coaching staff. It’s an entirely different system on both sides of the ball. Even the assistants that the local coaches knew from WV and Michigan have to be viewed with caution since they were fired after 3 years.

Graham is a very, very good hire for Pitt. I like almost all of the coaching staff he’s assembled. He was one of the best coaches available to hire with head coaching experience. But he’s not local. He’s not well known. There is more than a little wait-and-see feeling going on right now. Just more pressure on the whole win now thing.





ESPN appears to like the Pitt recruits better than Rivals and Scout–not assigning any 2-star ratings. They have 4 of the 6 (Hilliard, Coles, Williams, Geter) all rated as 3-stars with Hilliard at a high 3 based on a numerical rating of 78 (ESPN starts assigning 4 stars with the upper half of those rated 79). The other two (Cook and Parks) they haven’t had a scouting report on so they haven’t assigned a rating to them yet. Those two may yet get rated pretty well, especially if they have good senior seasons.

Comment by pitt1972 06.27.11 @ 9:41 am

I’m not worried about the rankings of the recruits we bring in because Graham is bringing in players he feels work in his system. One thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of them have speed as one of their best qualities, something Pitt not necessarily lacked under Wannstedt but it wasn’t a huge factor. And we’re even recruiting centers!

We’ve gotten used to Pitt football bringing talented recruits under Wannstedt that we’re all a little concerned with the committed recruits we’ve gotten from Graham as they aren’t the quality of recruits we’re accustomed to. Once Graham improves relations with the local high schools and succeeds on the field, then perhaps we will start bringing in the talented prospects. On a side note though, shouldn’t we be used to Pitt bringing in under the radar recruits? I mean, Jamie Dixon has been doing that for as long as he’s been coach. Granted there have been some quality recruits (see Dante and Khem), but for the most part they’ve been unheralded prospects. Todd Graham could be doing the same. Hopefully we’ll see similar successes at Heinz Field.

Comment by Greg 06.27.11 @ 10:06 am

Chas…welcome back! While I enjoyed the other posters, I missed you. Call it a man crush I guess. Nice information on Brown and I concur with your take on the recruiting thus far.

Comment by FG 06.27.11 @ 10:36 am

Zach Brown is physically mature, experienced and can play immediately … just what the doctor ordered.

With the 2 Browns now in the fold to back up Graham, there is less pressure for counting on an incoming frosh … although the position of RB is more easily adptable for an 18 year old than most other positions

Comment by wbb 06.27.11 @ 10:37 am

What are the chances of Rushel Shell landing at Pitt? I think he could come in and carry the team. Possible All-American in college.

Comment by Dylan 06.27.11 @ 10:38 am

Chas, I doubt that the WPIAL coaches would dissuade their players from considering Pitt. I believe the issue was that Walt and his staff did not make much of an effort to cozy up to the area coaches, while Wanny and staff did.

I believe Graham is making such an effort, especially with the former WV coach (forgot his name) on his staff who has much experience in recruting Western PA.

Comment by wbb 06.27.11 @ 10:50 am

Tony Gibson is the assistant coach who I referred to in above post. Here is an excerpt for Pitt Athletic site:

Tony Gibson enters his first season as secondary coach and pass defense coordinator at Pitt.
While he is new to Pittsburgh, Gibson is very familiar with Western Pennsylvania recruiting circles and the Big East Conference. He actively recruited the region while on the staffs at Michigan (2008-10) and Big East member West Virginia (2001-07) over the past decade.

Comment by wbb 06.27.11 @ 10:55 am

I know the recruits we have right now aren’t amazing but give Graham credit for some of the transfers we’ve gotten, these players are going to have an postive impact on this team.

I trust Graham enough to wait and see what happens. Recruiting rankings mean nothing unless you’re getting all 5s and 4s. Outside of the true elite talent, it’s just guesswork.

Comment by BnG 06.27.11 @ 11:22 am

Absolutely above posters. Agreed.

1. The coach and his staff just got here 5 months ago.

2. He won’t be recruiting the exact type of kids we’re used to seeing.

3. Am I sugarcoating. Absolutely not, if this is his type of class in 2 or 3 years, then yes we have worries. 5 months in, and a totally new system??? Very difficult to criticize at this point. See me in a couple years.

Comment by Dan 06.27.11 @ 1:18 pm

4.7 in the 40 is fast?? for an ol maybe…

Comment by Kurt 06.27.11 @ 2:15 pm

Give me…your huddled masses…

Unless we get a 5 or 4 star commit or a transfer that’s actually performed like one on the field I’m gonna continue to say…

Pitt is a basketball school.

Comment by steve 06.27.11 @ 2:33 pm

Until we make a Final Four or win a BCS game we are just a school

Comment by Tony C 06.27.11 @ 3:07 pm

Pitt Football 2012 Commit Tracker: link to insider.espn.go.com

Comment by Tony C 06.27.11 @ 3:19 pm

Totally unrelated, it looks like Brad Wannamaker received a minni-camp invite from the Hawks.

link to blogs.ajc.com

Comment by Roman 06.27.11 @ 3:54 pm

Welcome back Chas…I have total faith in Graham and his staff and think what they have accomplished (albeit not on the field) so far is remarkable.
The pros are finding out about Wannamaker the same things we all knew during the season. He would be a sixth or seventh man on most top ten teams…does no one skill at the pro level but very good in most skills. Needs more quickness. He will make a fine bench player from some lower level pro team and probably play in Europe.

Comment by Dan 72 06.27.11 @ 4:15 pm

Aw c’mon Tony, cut Jamie and the kids some slack

link to kenpom.com

Comment by steve 06.27.11 @ 4:54 pm

Don’t get me wrong I love Jamie and the basketball program but I would say you have to make a Final Four to be a basketball school. We will get our National Championship soon enough

Comment by Tony C 06.27.11 @ 6:20 pm

One thing about Graham I do like is the fact he is always working, making strides for the program. I can’t remember Wannstedt grabbing transfers from Ohio State and Wisconsin in the summer. Those two players know what big time is all about.

Comment by TonyinHouston 06.27.11 @ 8:33 pm

While Zach Brown is a needed backup for Ray Graham and he sounds like a GREAT fellow from that “Goodbye Tweet”, we should all keep in mind that he did not play in 2010 and these were his pretty mundane stats in the years that he did play …

YR Rushes Yards Avg Long TDs
09 66 279 4.2 15 3
08 55 305 5.5 23 3
07 119 568 4.8 64 5

Hopefully there is someone with a little potential who can step up and play second string to Ray Graham. Zach Brown looks more like a future assitant than anything else to me …

Comment by kpcski 06.28.11 @ 1:36 am

I am not expecting him to supplant Graham but see no reason why he can’t be a reliable back-up. He must have some talent plus he’s been around and should be able to adapt more quickly than some of the freshmen RB.

Z Brown is here for just one year but that should be just the quick fix that is needed right now.

Comment by wbb 06.28.11 @ 7:40 am

kpcski – 4.8 ypc over a college career isn’t ‘mundane’. It is however the exact same ypc average that LeSean McCoy had in his two years at PITT.

Now, Z. Brown isn’t McCoy obviously but he was a productive player at Wisconsin and is a perfect player to bring in for a back-up role to Ray Graham.

We have to recognize something here. The No-Huddle offense is probably going to run 20+ more offensive plays per game than we have in the past and we’ll need to give Graham a rest more often then when he played second fiddle to Lewis.

Tulsa ran 537 rushing plays last year – compared to PITT’s 470 (with platooned RBs).

There is no way we can do that to maximum efficiency without a quality back-up at that position.

Comment by Reed 06.28.11 @ 7:55 am

Reed, are you on payroll?

Your stuff is starting to read like propoganda.

Comment by steve 06.28.11 @ 8:16 pm

oops, propaganda.

Comment by steve 06.28.11 @ 8:18 pm

Penn state has 5 4 stars and 3 3 stars WVU has 7 3 stars just the facts us 2 3 stars and 4 no stars say what you want it does not look that good.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.28.11 @ 10:51 pm

Pitt 10-2 is my prediction Now Tinko its up o you to direct this team to 10 wins baby!!!! Go Pitt go get those 10 wins Losing only to Notre Dame and West Virginia f*^#@$g west virginia

Comment by RandyRandyTime 06.29.11 @ 10:34 am

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