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February 22, 2010

You know this really annoyed me. I was thinking after the Pitt win yesterday how Gary McGhee could very well be Pitt’s most improved player and be in play for the Big East’s award. Unfortunately, Bob Smizik beat me to it and went to hyperbolic extremes in extolling McGhee’s virtues.

If McGhee doesn’t win the award, there should be an investigation. In fact, if he doesn’t win it unanimously there should be an investigation.

Furthermore, after this season they should name it the Gary McGhee Award.

McGhee, a 6-foot-10 junior from Anderson, Ind., was the proverbial guy who couldn’t walk and chew gum at the same time during his first two seasons at Pitt.

What were those first two years like? Here’s what the Pitt media guide says about McGhee‘s career prior to this season:

“. . . his most memorable contest was a six-point, four-rebound performance at South Florida.’’

In his first two season, McGhee played in 52 games, averaged six minutes, 1.5 rebounds and 1.3 points.

Anyone who expected to see significant changes in those numbers this season simply isn’t telling the truth. McGhee looked to have no future at Pitt other than sitting on the bench.

But look what’s happened to Gary McGhee.

He can shoot, he can pass, he can rebound and, brother, he can defend.

I’m not arguing with it. Not only has McGhee vastly improved from his first two years, his improvements from the start of the season to this point have been incredible. Or have they?

Look at this.

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It would appear from the numbers that what he has been doing in-conference tracks the non-con rather closely. That goes against everything we have been seeing, feeling and just says that can’t be right.

27 games in with 14 conference and 13 non-cons. If anything you could say that he is shooting worse.

In 13 non-con games he was 38-52 (73.1%). In the 14 conference games he’s been 41-70 (58.6%). No real change with free throws 20-35 in the conference versus 21-34 in non-con sure isn’t going to be a significant difference.

What’s a little more interesting is in the rebounding. Again no big difference in the overall numbers. 189 total with 96 in conference and 93 non-con. It’s how they are split, where there is something of a change. McGhee had only 29 offensive boards and 64 defensive rebounds in the non-con. Over 1:2 on O:D. In the conference it is 39 offensive and 57 defensive rebounds.

So there is something. He’s been much better on the offensive glass. Cleaning better and getting more opportunities for put-backs — which would also be part of the reason for the lower shooting percentage when he doesn’t finish.

Blocks don’t offer much of a clue. He has 49 with 27 in non-conference games and 22 in Big East play. Nor does fouls. He has fouled out of 0 games this year and has a total of 57 fouls 23 in the non-con and 34 in Big East.

Here’s where it makes more sense. In the non-conference games, McGhee had 10 assists and 22 turnovers. In conference, McGhee has 11 assists but only 10 turnovers. There’s the more sure-handedness. And another reason for his lower shooting percentage. He didn’t lose the ball before getting a shot attempt. Not to mention it means he is passing and better at handling the ball when he gets it.

And of course, if you look at his numbers from game to game, you can see that he has been playing very well for the last couple of weeks which supports the impulse.

And there is no doubt for all of us who watched him the last two years — and even the first month or so into the season — this  improvement has been real and a joy to behold.

As for Big East Most Improved Player, how soon we forget

My vote for the most improved player in the Big East, and maybe the nation, is Pittsburgh’s Ashton Gibbs…

That was Jay Bilas back in January. Remember that prevailing sentiment? Well, Gibbs is still plugging along doing good work. The shots aren’t falling as easily with teams all over him, but he still has great numbers and does a lot for Pitt. Don’t think that Gibbs is going to be forgotten.

So what does that mean? It means there could be every possibility of a split Pitt vote to keep a Pitt player from winning BE MIP.

Believe it or not there are other contenders.

Tim Abromaitis, ND, redshirt sophomore forward. In his freshman year he appeared in 12 games and played 4o minutes. Scored a total of 20 points and had 12 rebounds. Redshirted last year. This year he is averaging over 17 ppg, 4.8 rpg playing 30 min/game.

Jimmy Butler, Marquette, redshirt sophomore g-f. Last year under 20 minutes a game with 5.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg. This year, playing 33 minutes he has 15.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg and has a 2:1 A:TO.

Jamine “Greedy” Peterson, Providence, redshirt sophomore forward. Like Abromaitis, Peterson redshirted last year. As a freshman, he played around 10 mpg and would get 4.7 ppg and 2.9 rpg. This year he is averaging a double-double. 18.9 ppg and 10.1 rpg in nearly 30 mpg.

It would be annoying, but not the worst thing in the world. After all it reflects well on how many players have stepped up and seized their opportunities this year.





Pitt ranked # 12 in AP and #16 in ESPN poll. Should be lower, but as JD is fond of saying “we keep improving”.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.22.10 @ 1:12 pm

I believe the biggest reason for the low pre-season expectations was that McGhee was the only experienced frontcourt player returning … and he didn’t have that much experience. While everyone on the team seems to be better, it may be just a matter of getting more playing time for some.

I do agree that McGhee is a much more pleasant suprise than Gibbs and deserves the award. I am especially surprised by his athleticism.

Comment by wbb 02.22.10 @ 1:29 pm

Interesting article on Tim Higgins on ESPN by Dana O’Neil. They followed him around for a week.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.22.10 @ 1:39 pm

Agree with you on the “hands” rationale with McGhee, Chas. He was fumbling a lot of passes when he had traffic around him in the early going. Now he seems to be snatching the ball regardless of what’s around him. So more of his shots are in traffic rather than open stuffs. I’ll certainly take the more recent trend over high shooting percentages. That rebound toward the end of the game yesterday even got Kellogg excited. He was speechless.

Annoyed a bit at the rankings, even though we made a nice jump in both polls. Some of the teams ahead in the Coach’s poll would be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Just look at their RPIs and SOSs. Oh well.

Comment by TampaT 02.22.10 @ 1:42 pm

Bozo the Smizik needs to stick with what he knows best…which is not college hoops. Didn’t he retire??

Comment by bigslacker 02.22.10 @ 2:13 pm

I do think McGhee has improved significantly since the non-conference season….really the whole team has. Given the greater quality the Big East compared to Pitt’s non-BE opponenents, just maintaining the same level of production means you’re getting better.

Comment by maguro 02.22.10 @ 2:27 pm

How soon we forget Aaron Gray. He averaged a double/double his Jr year up from 2.8 Rebs and 4.3 Pts a game his Soph season. While Gary’s growth has been tremendous, it was easily outpaced by Aaron’s.

Comment by CSK 02.22.10 @ 3:14 pm

I think many Pitt fans were spoiled by Blair’s freakish hands. Scouts praised Blair’s ‘suction on the ball’ as off the charts. McGhee’s hands are not in the same league and he’s not explosively quick, but he’s improving and playing within himself. He’s seizing size mismatches, sealing off defenders and gaining better position for misses. He just seems very consistent in his assignments and plays positionally sound. He’s no Aaron Gray passing the ball, but he’s unselfish and seeks out the open man. That’s good instruction, but it also shows that he’s a smart and coachable player. He could benefit from improving his hands and expanding his scoring range beyond 2 ft. from the basket.

I’ve been impressed with McGhee’s Jr. season, but still think Gibbs made a bigger leap from last year, especially his defensive improvement and demonstrated ability to create shots instead of spot up shooting.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 02.22.10 @ 3:17 pm

I think the reason McGhee’s in conference play stands out so much is that in the preconference play we all dismissed it as him simply being “large” and playing smaller opponents. I believe most people were sure that his stats, and play would fall off significantly when we got to the Big East. Therefore, in our minds we are comparing Gary in conference play to what we expected of him in conference play (and not to his preconference play). So we’re seeing it as tremendous improvement from the beginning of the season even though as you pointed out its been strikingly similar. Either way he’s doing a great job!

Comment by PITTapotamus 02.22.10 @ 3:27 pm

Did anyone notice the look and apparent comment that Brandon Knight gave McGhee after McGhee dropped a feed and watched the ball go out-of-bounds? I think that Knight is the enforcer on the coaching staff.

Comment by BigGuy 02.22.10 @ 3:36 pm

I’ll take McGhee over Gray any day of the week. Gray may have put up 20 points, but he forced the team to play at a slow pace and was a worse defender than McGhee. Not to mention he missed so many easy bucket’s that it made me sick at times. His performance in the Big East Tournament and the post-season was horrendous. At least when McGhee gets the chance he flushes it with two hands. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I saw Aaron Gray dunk the ball.

Comment by TJ 02.22.10 @ 3:47 pm

Not only do I believe McGhee to be the far better defender than Gray, he also is far better than Blair. DeJuan had quick hands and long arms but was not the shock blocker that Gary is .. not to mention that Dante reminded me of Blair yesterday when he committed those fouls while trying to hedge on the perimeter.

Comment by wbb 02.22.10 @ 4:00 pm

mcghee should get it but gibbs would get it over him

Comment by Tony Cancilla 02.22.10 @ 4:49 pm

They may knock each other our of the voting and it could go to someone like Jimmy Butler or Abromaitis or someone…

Comment by PITTapotamus 02.22.10 @ 4:55 pm

Gibbs has greatly improved but not as great as McGhee’s quantum leap. It is scary to think how good McGhee will be next year if he improves this offseason as much as last year.

Comment by shadyforpresident 02.22.10 @ 5:13 pm

mcghee has not improved at all…its his third year in the program and he is the staring center avg 7.5pts and 6rebs a game…thats improvement, wtf…are the standards that low even by Pitt’s standards…Most improved player on Pitt is Wannamaker 2nd in scoring 1st in rebs 2 in assts…

The Best Big men over the past ten years
1. Dejaun Blair
2. Aaron Gray
3. Ontario Lett
4. Chris taft

Comment by Jeremy 02.22.10 @ 6:04 pm

HAHAHA the Gary McGhee Award. Don’t get me wrong, he’s playing well, but that’s a bit much.

Comment by pittjd 02.22.10 @ 7:12 pm

I like the sound of it though

Comment by pittjd 02.22.10 @ 7:15 pm

“McGhee has not improved at all” – Have you watched a game over the past three seasons?

Comment by TJ 02.22.10 @ 7:34 pm

Jeremy I’m not sure if you are serious or joking when you say he hasn’t improved, but in case you are serious. Maybe if Mcghee missed 8 bunnies a game and grabbed his own board to average 14 rebs/ game, you’d have him above your number two center who got at least half of his rebounds in that manner?

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 02.22.10 @ 7:48 pm

Do I remember this correctly, didn’t Gray have to lose a bunch of weight so his feet wouldn’t hurt when he ran up the court? The thing I remember most about Gray, was that he had no touch whatsoever. He was two feet from the rim at all times, given his freakish height, and he constantly bricked the ball around.

Comment by Lou 02.22.10 @ 8:19 pm

watching the WVU vs UCONN game. Dan Jennings 6″8′ 260lb. freshman- Doesn’t this kid just look like a typical Pitt big guy, and someone that would thrive in our system (big physical)? I know he had a Pitt offer but don’t know how serious the recruiting was on either side (or if it died when we got Taylor). But I think this kid made a mistake in going and playing for Huggie’s long lanky athletic team, vs. Pitt’s typically strong bruisers. He would have thrived here.

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 02.22.10 @ 8:31 pm

Personally, I don’t care who wins the award. Obviously, these guys are improving and that’s my only concern. Simply, McGhee has turned into a determined force in the post that, despite his imperfections, have made him a memorable Panther for years to come. Now, I am pumped to watch him catch it down low, but a few months ago I would cringe in horror if the ball came to him down low.

As for Gibbs, I never would have guessed he even had it in him to run the point the way he does now. His handle is vastly improved, and he looks increasingly comfortable under pressure with the ball. His shooting and offense will always be there, but he’s made himself a floor general in a way that Fields probably never had to consciously do because Fields always had that approach to basketball. That’s a change you can’t quantify in stats, but I find it quite impressive.

Anyway, this team has really won me over. I love the personality and character of the squad, even if they don’t have much All-Big East talent.

Comment by Greg in New Orleans 02.22.10 @ 8:35 pm

Villanova has not won in Pittsburgh since 1996.

Comment by Alcofan 02.22.10 @ 8:37 pm

The mail lady at Sutherland really liked Ricardo Greer.

Comment by Justin 02.22.10 @ 8:52 pm

sole possession of 3rd in the BE right now after the WVU loss. Great to see after the Hoopies chanted N-I-T after beating us! haha

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 02.22.10 @ 9:36 pm

Harangody ruled out for wed game as per South Bend Times.

Comment by Alcofan 02.22.10 @ 9:37 pm

first 2011 FB commit TE from Dematha. We are robbing that school and hopefully will soon get the big ones there! Great to see this pipeline open and I believe Turner was the recruiter on this one.

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 02.22.10 @ 10:03 pm

“Bozo the Smizik ”

bigsliker, Smizik is a Pittman and a competent columnist.

The improvement in McGhee was no accident. He worked hard in the off-season. He also seems like he is a really good kid. He certainly suprised me. Last year I thought that Jamie would “encourage” him to find another school in order to free up a scholarship.

Comment by BigGuy 02.22.10 @ 10:05 pm

TJ/Everyone who ever says this: Why do you care how much Aaron Gray dunked? Do you get extra points for that or are you a little kid?

Comment by J-Maile 02.23.10 @ 3:13 am

The reason TJ and people point out that Gray never dunked is because he missed countless countless easy bunny shots. These layups could easily have been flushes if there was a little more athleticism. So the fact that he wasn’t dunking meant a lot (and that is not an understatement) of missed layups. No hops + touch= layups, no touch+hops= dunks, no hops + no touch= missed layups

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 02.23.10 @ 7:03 am

Bad memory #5: Gray getting totally outplayed by Bradley’s Patrick O’Bryant, an equally tall but more athletic center, and Pitt getting bounced from the NCAA tourney.

Overall, Gray represented us well – 2nd team BE and 3rd team All-American as a senior along with several academic and community service awards – but that game was a heartbreaker.

Comment by TampaT 02.23.10 @ 8:47 am

OLGP, thank you. Ya, the point was that Gray missed so many layups b/c he couldn’t get his a$$ off the ground. And a minor point, dunks usually tend to ignite the crowd (big at home) a little more than layups. You’re 7 Feet tall, dunk the ball. It makes a difference.

Comment by TJ 02.23.10 @ 8:58 am

We used to start the over/under on missed bunnies for Aaron Gray at 7. 7! and guess what, 2/3rds of the time he was over. In one possession, I think against Notre Dame, he had 5 tip/misses.

McGhee is a far better athlete and finisher. I like his defense better than Gray right now, and could possibly be better than Blair on the defensive side by the time he graduates. He will be more of an offensive threat next year too.

Comment by Pauly P 02.23.10 @ 10:40 am

The Gray – McGhee comparison is an interesting one. At the begining of the year I remember reading that the coaching staff had said that McGhee was “farther ahead of where Gray was at the same point in his career”. At the time I thought that was preposterous!

Looking at it now, maybe it is a fair comparision.

Hands – Gray’s were much better, he could catch the ball in traffic and hold on to it.
Rebounding – Again, nod goes to Gray, he was really the only guy on that team who could board, Pitt really struggled when he was on the bench.
Defense – McGhee is MUCH better. He has better feet, quickness, instincts, he is better shot blocker. He rarely gets in foul trouble. Gray always seemed to be in danger.
Post moves/Offense – Gray by a little. He had a nice 10 foot and jumper. He had some post moves, and yes he missed a lot of layups that McGhee slams home.

So I still think the edge goes to Aaron, but not by as much as I would have thought going into this year.

Gibbs and McGhee should be CO-Most Improved.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 02.23.10 @ 10:46 am

The only relevant comparison between Gray and McGhee is in the level of improvement. Gray was a better player in his Jr year than McGhee is this year, by a substantial margin.

Gray was the the 7th most effective offensive rebounder and the 4th most effective defensive rebounder in the country that year. McGhee ranks 106 and 163, respectively.

McGhee has a higher Offensive effectiveness rating than Gray did, but much less is expeccted of McGhee than Gray. Gray was utilized nearly twice as often as an offesive playmaker than what McGhee is this year. 28% of possible possessions went through Gray while only 16% go through McGhee. It is easy to beleve that McGhee’s effectiveness would fall significantly if he became the focal point of the offense. We’ve gone entire games this season without throwing the ball into the post and expecting a one on one offensive move from McGhee. Granted he has productive gamse in each of the last two contests, but the opposition has lacked an interior presence of any significance as both offenses played four guard lineups. I recall Samardo Samuels going for 25 in a pretty substantial undressing of McGhee just a few weeks ago. It’s a distinct possibility that McGhee’s Sr. season may surpass Gray’s Sr. season, but we’ll have to wait and see.

In no way am I attempting to disparage Gary McGhee and the vast improvment he has made in three years, but the improvment made by Aaron Gray was just as substantial. My comments were meant to point out how quickly we forget simialr improvements of Pitt players over the last 8 – 10 years. How excellent is the Pitt coaching staff to be able to consistently achieve these type of results?

Comment by CSK 02.23.10 @ 11:18 am

CSK, point taken. I’m not really arguing that McGhee is better than Gray. I think evaluated side by side its clear Gray is the better player. However, I would rather have McGhee out there and playing with this team. This team has more offensive options than Gray’s teams had (Antonio Graves, Levon Kendall, Yuri Demetrius) and McGhee is a much better fit. He’s been a solid defender and he is only going to get better on the offensive end.

If you told me two years ago that I’d be defending Gary McGhee, I’d call you crazy. But his development has been a pleasant surprise.

Comment by TJ 02.23.10 @ 2:11 pm

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