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October 23, 2009

I find it funny, amusing and sad.

There are people who still have trouble with Bill Stull as the starter.

Q: Bill Stull is having an excellent year statistically, but do you really think he is the best quarterback on the team? My main objection is that he is not a “playmaker.” I have always felt that the best chance of winning a game is to have a quarterback who is a playmaker.

ZEISE: Bill Stull is indeed the best option for this team at quarterback right now. He’s put that to rest long ago and frankly this isn’t even a worthy discussion at this point. Pitt will go as far as he takes them and in terms of playmakers, I don’t agree. He’s made some big-time throws in recent weeks and Friday against Rutgers he made a few under a lot of pressure. Stull for some reason isn’t the most beloved player on this team among fans, but my goodness, the Panthers are 15-5 with him as a starter. I’m not saying he’s an NFL quarterback — or that he’s even a great player — but to say he is just along for the for ride is inaccurate because he’s made a lot of plays and frankly, a couple of games he’s been the difference between winning and losing. He also proved against Connecticut that he could indeed bring the Panthers back if they got behind and that was a question people had about him.

I have to admit to staring at that link all week. First, it is really hard to argue with success, and by nearly every metric Stull has been a success this season. I’ve been among the doubters as to how successful Pitt’s offense could be over the first few games, but he has done the job. The main problem I have with it, though, is — well, who on the roster would have fit the role of “playmaker” QB? You can’t just declare that he shouldn’t be the guy because he isn’t dynamic enough without a clear alternative that fits that bill.

There is no evidence that Sunseri would be that guy other than his success in high school and nice reports on how he did in the training camp. I like Bostick, but I can’t call him a “playmaker.”

I don’t know if people still hold the Sun Bowl and his performances in the last 3 games of 2008 against him. The natural distrust of the starting QB. The way Stull was guaranteed the job, despite not really outplaying the other QBs in camp. There just should be a point where you have to let it go.

Stull is the starter. He’s been very good this season. He has stayed within the system and has made a lot more throws than he’s missed. Unless there is an injury he should be the starter. Not because he has experience. Not because Coach Wannstedt says so. Because he has been very good in the job.

Speaking of not letting go.

So I’ve got this guy who emails every time Pitt loses a game. If I didn’t know any better, I’d swear it was Lou Holtz in disguise.

Here’s what it looks like: Wannstedt ruined the Bears, he ruined the Dolphins, and he’ll ruin Pitt, too.

And whaddya know, Wanny has won 16 of his last 21 games at Pitt, and only a 28-21 loss to Cincinnati last year kept the Panthers from winning their first ever outright conference title. In previous years, Saturday’s game against USF would have been a classic Pitt stumble.

Not now – not after Wannstedt has his players and philosophy set; not after he made one of the best hires of the offseason by bringing in Frank Cignetti to run the offense and turn wayward QB Billy Stull into one of the nation’s most productive passers (Stull, 2008: 9 TD, 10 INT; Stull, 2009: 14 TD, 3 INT).

Maybe, you know, the guy in Columbus can learn a little something from the guy in Pittsburgh who will, according to my email friend, one day ruin the Panthers.

At least he hasn’t had to hear from the guy in a month.

I won’t defend his time at Miami or Chicago. They were unmitigated disasters that not only messed up the teams for years, but the fanbases there still regard him with disgust while the sportswriters continue to use him as an easy punchline.

Now, understand. I have a continuing ambivalence regarding Coach Wannstedt. I just don’t know if he can be as successful as he thinks on a consistent basis. I think some of his ingrained inflexibility especially with offense is a fatal flaw that may keep him from ever realizing the goals he has set out for the program and we fans want.

That said, the key is that I while I don’t know about the level of success he will achieve at Pitt, there is no metric by which you can say he will or has ruined Pitt. He has underachieved for a few years. He has had headscratching losses (and probably will have more). He frustrates at times.

He has not shown anything, however, to suggest that he will or has ruined Pitt in the four plus years as head coach. Recruiting has improved. Relations with alumni is better. Media relations are stronger. Interest in the program has picked up again.

The police blotter has been relatively clean. No hints of impropriety in the program. Academics have been solid. Things that were in place before Coach Wannstedt and have continued.

At some point, you have to actually have more to go on than gut and past screw-ups.





Wannstedt’s our guy, a home town guy who loves this university and football program. By all accounts, I think he is a really good guy and I hope that when it is all said and done, the Wannstedt era will be one that get’s looked back on as great.

That said, I know there are games where we all say “damn” how in the world did we lose that one, but there are those we say “damn” we pulled that one out. Same as every program I guess. The players he has brought in is pretty remarkable when you think about where they could have gone. Consider, rarely a packed stadium, a conference that gets beat up by the national press, and yet he brings them in. I know it’s about wins, but lately the team has been winning, let’s hope it continues.

Comment by Stan 10.23.09 @ 11:21 am

To say Wanny is ruining Pitt or will ruin Pitt is a horribly inaccurate account. To say he ruined the Bears or Dolphins is totally off-based too. In Chicago, he suffered from not living up to the expectations of the legend (Mike Ditka); Ditka pushed for him and slightly oversold him, and when the result on the field was less than stellar, the Delusional Chicago Fan turned. As for Miami, people never take the time to give him credit for the fact they won more than they lost, got to the playoffs, and the fact his major focal point offensively (Ricky Williams) flat out QUIT; sending the team into a early season free fall that forced his hand with management. I hardly blame Wanny for either of these situations, and I certainly don’t think he RUINED them nor is he ruining Pitt.

I think I speak for many Pitt fans that we are mainly dissatisfied with Wanny (delusional or not)for the following reeasons:

1) We are not exponentially better in the W column than we were in the Walt era. Meaning, we had a coach that won 6-8 wins a year and got us to a crap bowl regularly but hardly made a dent in the BCS landscape; we wanted more, and are under the impression that better players, a better run program (structure, ethics, support), and better coaching would lead us to 9-11 wins a year with better Bowl opps regularly. Right now, as a whole, Wanny has not delivered on our expectations.

2) The WAY he loses (and wins) just frustrates the heck out of Pitt loyalists. Mind numbing losses when the talent is clearly better on our side of the field. Granted, Walt had the same problem, but I would argue that Walt did more with less than any Pitt coach in the past 30 years. It just fails the eye test and makes the entire game a rather unpleasant viewing experience. See Redshirt Diaries worst Pitt losses over the past 10 years for reference.

3) His reluctance to embrace the college game nuances until horribly late in his tenure. He got the fact that we needed to be faster after WVU smoked us in his first year, but he didn’t get the fact that you need college minded coordinators to use the speed to our advantage. It appears Cigs is one of those guys that “get it”…why year 5?

4) He is loyal…to a fault. By being loyal to a fault (Seniors, Cav, Stull etc.) makes us fans feel like he doesn’t put the best players or coached on the field to maximize the talent. On one had, you love the loyalty, but if better players are underclassmen (or better coaches are in a more dynamic system) then they should be leading us.

I do speak for most Pitt fans when I say that he has also been:

1) Unlucky in timing (best years by many of our perennially bad or mediocre conference teams have hurt his winning percentage and an overall perception shift of the Big East to the Big Easy whether we want to admit it or not)

2) A tremendous asset in recruiting
3) A relentless spositive pokesman for the program
4) A universally respected coach from his players & coaches
5) And nonense on code of ethics

As for ruining the program, no way.

As for not living up to our expectations, thus far, yes…(but time and wins can change that!)

Comment by Pauly P 10.23.09 @ 12:22 pm

last year’s senior class which went out with 9 wins, graduated 13 of 14 of which 10 made it to NFL camps.

The current Pitt team has more depth than any team I can remember in a very long time, and loaded with underclassmen .. and should be a viable BE contender in the foreseaable future. Fact is that Pitt can now be termed as a program … I’m not so sure that this was the case since the early 80s.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Pitt would win out the rest of the year, but I am convinced they are heading in the right direction.

Comment by wbb 10.23.09 @ 12:35 pm

I have said this before, so I’ll say it again…Pitt was very lucky that they were able to convince DW to take this job. The recruiting benefits alone are worth it. Recall, he did not come knocking, Pitt went pleading. At the time a coach with 16 years of NFL experience took the Pitt job, the Big East Conference and the Pitt program were heading south fast. Please stop telling me we were a BCS team (in a four way tie, because BC choked and lost to a 20+ point underdog (Syracuse) on the last day of the season). And then our “BCS” team got pounded like it was ND in the BCS game because we were in a game we had no business participating in. The fan base was shrinking, local coaches did not like our HC and our head coaches agent publicly exclaimed that a “program like Pitt” was lucky to have Harris and “who did Pitt think wanted that job”, etc. The problem is too many of the fans say things like “Urban Meyer turned Florida around right away!” Really, Florida? Pitt’s “program” is on a par with Florida, so it’s a one for one comparison? You want to compare us to Cincy? Nope, sorry that rebuilding job began with the previous head coach who is now at Mich St. A more reasonable comparison is North Carolina. I have no doubt that Butch Davis will have that team in contenion for ACC titles. But you don’t start from scratch and put up consistent results in two or three seasons. It is really a process. All of the parts are in place for Pitt to be successful on a consistent basis. I don’t know if DW will fully realize those results. If he does not, I’m sure he will go. I do know that this program is vastly better than it was five years ago.

Comment by HbgFrank 10.23.09 @ 1:03 pm

of course, if Pitt loses 3 of the last 5, we were just kidding about the above posts!

Comment by wbb 10.23.09 @ 4:33 pm

Wanny sucked in Chicago, this cannot be spun any other way.

But I remember his Dolphin teams being pretty decent, up until the year Ricky left him high and dry. That year was a disaster, but it seems to be all that anyone remembers from his Miami years.

And I remember even that 04 Dolphins team playing tough defense.

I don’t think he’s a great coach, but I think he’s a good enough recruiter to at least out-talent the rest of the Big East, just as long as he hires good coordinators.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 10.23.09 @ 5:33 pm

Look Wanny is pretty good. He can get us into the National Championship picture buy doing the Louisville, WVU, Cincinnati formula. Win 7 in a row to start the season two years in a row. First year you get to number 9 or 10, second year you get to 5 or 6 and wait to see what happens.

You want to consistently compete with the Big Boys, put 90 to 100,000 butts in seats against Youngstown State. My daughter goes to UF works at the SWAMP (the restaurant next to the Stadium) made $300 when UF played Whocares U. We can’t get 40,000 against a good UConn team.

Comment by James Manfred 10.23.09 @ 7:13 pm

Pauly P, there is no reason whatsoever to even try to improve upon the brilliant perspective you penned above. It absolutely says it all with aplomb.

Comment by wally 10.23.09 @ 8:25 pm

Pauly P, You must have some ego to think you speak for many Pitt fans. You only pseak for yourself and that’s one too many as far as I’m concerned.

Comment by Tiger Paul 10.23.09 @ 10:11 pm

TP, while we are speaking for ourselves here, there is substantially much more that I agree with what Pauly posted, than what I disagree with.

Comment by wbb 10.24.09 @ 8:08 am

Pauley P…excellent analyisis….in total agreement. Going to SF …overcast and drizzling.
Homecoming…excited…what can go wrong?

Comment by Dan 72 10.24.09 @ 9:28 am

Wannstedt’s record in Miami was 43-33, and he had 5 winning seasons in 6 years. He did have some bad losses, particularly in the playoffs, and failed to live up to Dolphin fan’s overinflated expectations, but he was hardly an unmitigated disaster. NFL coaching history has seen lots of unmitigated disaters, but Wannstedt with the Dolphins isn’t one of them.

Comment by maguro 10.25.09 @ 11:21 am

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