Please everyone on here understands subjective vs. objective. The point is that your points on what “transpired” show just as much subjectivity as as anyone else. Nobody came here and said Pitt is a top 4-5 team because they are good and didn’t support it with examples. Everyone supported it. Their record throughout the season speaks for itself. The home games and the away games (again wins at UCONN, WVU, and FSU, hard 2 find 3 road wins that impressive on many teams). They stubbed their toe once or twice, but their overall resume certainly justifies a top 4-5 team. I guess your basing the entire ranking on the tournament games and stating that is what transpired, so then your point is objective. Everyone else says the season mattered and that supports their argument. Some are looking from a positive light and some a negative light but neither is more “objective” so please don’t insult everyone else and act like your argument is more objective.

Didn’t mean to insult anybody…..it’s just amusing when you throw subjective/objective around when talking about what you think may have happened vs UNC.

The difference between Elite 8 and your “Top 4 or %” is next to meaningless. I would have absolutely agreed with you going into the tournament and believed Pitt deserved their seeding. But that’s why they play the tournament games…..to figure out where everybody finishes. Pitt finished in the Elite 8. The season was wonderful, but using it to justify some kind of mental ranking is subjective, just like the polls are all year. Writers and coaches rank the teams subjectively and then they play the tournament to provide an answer.

Repeat — the reason they play the tournament is to resolve all the stupid arguments about who’s Top 4 or 5 or 8. Talking about who’s 4th or 5th or 8th is a waste of time. Play games and figure it out. It’s not perfect, but it’s all we’ve got.

When Dixon looks back on the year, he’ll call this squad an Elite 8 team. He won’t try to argue with people that Pitt could have given UNC the best game or that Pitt was really better than some of the other Elite 8 teams.

You’re welcome to believe Pitt was a Top 4 or 5 team. You’re welcome to believe Pitt could have given UNC a game. You’re welcome to believe Pitt was better than UNC. With your argument, why play the tournament? We can all sit around and believe what we want to believe.

That’s (objectively) my last post in this inane argument.

The tournament isn’t to determine who’s top 4 or 5, its to determine who is one. If it was for four or 5 or 6 or 8 we would have consolation games. Those rankings are up in the air which is why we are able to debate them. What’s really amusing is that your comment about throwing subjective/objective around when talking about what we think may have happened vs. UNC. You did the same thing but in saying that Carolina would handle Pitt, because they were head and shoulders above them, even though they never met.

Can’t believe I’m doing this….

The tournament is to figure out 16,8,4,2 and yes, most importantly, 1. Objective finishes at each stage. No one’s interested in your obsession, which seems to be figuring out who’s ranked 4th,5th or 8th. No wonder they don’t play consolations…..nobody cares.

I never said a specific thing about UNC being able to “handle Pitt”, as you called it. I said there wasn’t a nat’l title race this year, because Carolina waltzed through the national tournament. You seem able to draw different conclusions from the way this basketball season finished. Wonderful, more power to you.

So instead of arriving at finishes, outcomes and results, let’s just debate rankings and talk about match-ups. In fact, let’s make it all fantasy basketball and not actually bother with a national tournament to decide everything. Let’s just sit in our basement and peruse stats and roll dice.

I’m going to stick with the games, thanks.

for not caring you’ve sure responded a lot.

also, as far as saying obsession with figuring out who’s ranked 4th or 5th or 8th…..that was the whole debate here, along with Carolina being head and shoulders above the rest. If we can’t debate and discuss topics what is the point of the site? There is obviously two sides to the argument which you refuse to acknowledge so it is useless continuing this. So, yes your posts are always correct, there are no other sides to a debate, and your “facts” are the only “facts” that count. Great, good thing we’ve figured this out. Maybe we can just have a Hugh comments section and everyone can read your thoughts because they are enlightened.

good idea…

haha