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July 17, 2008

On the heels of Dante Taylor’s verbal, was the off-the-record comments by assistant coach Tom Herrion that made it into print in the Trib. Even if removed from the web article. Again, this is a secondary violation likely to be self-reported by Pitt.

Coaches or staff members are not allowed to talk about recruits — other than to say they are being recruited — until they have signed a national letter of intent, according to NCAA rule 13.10.2.

The NCAA refers to this as an institutional violation, meaning the school usually reports it to the NCAA and handles the punishment.

“The institution usually would self-report it, and the NCAA would look at it,” said Big East director of communications Chuck Sullivan. “That would include a follow up to see what the school did to rectify it.”

That process usually includes reiterating to the recruit that he or she is not bound to the verbal commitment and a re-education on NCAA rules for the coach in question, Sullivan said.

“That is usually suffice for the NCAA,” Sullivan said.

Pitt associate director of media relations Greg Hotchkiss said the school may report the incident, but added it was a minor violation that will be handled by the school and members of the athletic department.

It’s a little glitch for Assistant Tom Herrion, but a very annoying one — especially since he will be a candidate for open jobs come next March/April. And (from what I understand) a mistake by Trib beat reporter John Grupp in incorporating it in the story. The comments were supposed to be off-the-record (OTR), not meant to be given publicly.

Here’s the actual NCAA Rule:

Before the signing of a prospective student-athlete to a National Letter of Intent or an institution’s written offer of admission and/or financial aid, a member institution may comment publicly only to the extent of confirming its recruitment of the prospective student-athlete.

Any writer covering college sports has to know this rule. Why? Because they want to be trusted by the coaches and athletic department and get access. That means if you are talking to a coach, they need to know the writer knows what is allowed for public comment and what is not.

I don’t know if Herrion mentioned the OTR requirement or assumed Grupp knew how this worked since Grupp has spent the past year as the basketball beat writer. Either way Grupp had to know and simply forgot. A big goof and one that likely cost Grupp some goodwill with the coaches.

Andy Katz at ESPN.com noted the Dante Taylor signing and viewed it a little differently.

Pitt secured its highest-rated recruit for the Class of 2009 when 6-9 New York native Dante Taylor of National Christian Academy verbally committed on Monday. Taylor is ranked No. 24 in ESPN’s Top 100. Memphis and Kansas were also pursuing him.

While Pitt fans can celebrate getting a top recruit there, they should also remember some perspective. Jamie Dixon and his predecessor Ben Howland have done quite fine without needing to get a highly rated player. The rankings are good for fan fodder, but the Panthers have always had good fits for their program.

For Pitt, the significance of getting yet another New York City talent, despite the change in Northeast-native assistants over the years from Barry Rohrssen and Orlando Antigua to Tom Herrion, shows that the program and Dixon are the consistent presences that maintain the pipeline to NYC.

Which is why it has to be frustrating for Dixon and Pitt not to be able to get an opponent at MSG. It’s a good point about still recruiting NYC. I think the other thing, though, is that they still recruited a player that will fit Pitt’s system. He just happens to be a much higher rated player.

Taylor spoke a little, down in Morgantown (Ed. note: this was apparently published originally by the Dominion Post — which is firewalled and ignored because of it yet the McClatchy group then reprinted it in TradingMarkets.com which I don’t entirely follow.

“I always wanted to play in the Big East,” Taylor said. “I like the coaching staff. I developed a good relationship with them. I like how the players stayed together off the court.”

The 6-foot-9, 230-pound power forward said he plays hard up and down the floor and doesn’t quit on any possession. He said once he gets to Pittsburgh, he will be “willing to help the team in any way that he can” and become a leader.

During National Christian’s firstround game against Shining Star Sports (Ky.), Taylor showed why he is highly regarded and received multiple scholarship offers from major college basketball programs. He scored 22 points and grabbed seven rebounds, en route to his team’s 70-60 win.

Besides scoring and rebounding, Taylor demonstrated his passing ability by dishing out several assists to his teammates.

Defensively, Taylor was a force underneath the basket. On many occasions when the opposition entered the lane, Taylor was there to block shots or at least alter them. He had active hands and grabbed many loose balls, then threw outlet passes to streaking teammates triggering the fastbreak.

Pitt coaches this past weekend were down in Virginia for the Agent Zero to Hero Invitational. Why? Because Thomas Robinson was there.

Now he has offers from Pittsburgh, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, West Virginia and South Florida from a Big East perspective. Outside of that league, the likes of Georgia, UMass, Virginia, Boston College, plus Maryland previously offered, while Memphis, Oklahoma State, the Big East’s Louisville and a few others recently did so.

Their interest is little wonder, as Robinson, who at 6’8” and just under 220 pounds is a rugged player who relishes battling down low, attacking the tin, and defending. He’s a ‘beast’ to say the least, and will likely take his show to Brewster academy for his senior year after previously attending Riverdale Baptist.

It will be interesting with Taylor already committed. If it’s true that Pitt would like to add Robinson or Dan Jennings to the class, it may become a question of which will give a verbal first. The Taylor verbal changed the dynamic for Pitt. Arguably the pressure to decide is on Robinson and Jennings.





I would also question the work of the Sports Editor at the Trib regarding this article. Does the Editor read every article before it is published? If your year round, every day job was to write and edit stories about sports, I would think that statements in an arcticle such as those attributed to Herrion regarding a recruit would litterally jump off the page. The editior should have caught that, and questioned the writer as to appropriateness of the inclusion of the comments in the article. If Herrion did not make the comments “off the record”, then the reporter simply did his job. If Herrion did make the comments off the record, and Grubb reported them anyhow, then Grupp will definitely find a lot of ill will coming his way from the Pitt staff for at least this season, and maybe beyond.

Comment by HbgFrank 07.17.08 @ 12:54 pm

Minor mistake by Herrion or the trib. Big time ’09 class shaping up. Any of the guys they have ships out to would be nice. My guess: Robinson or scott if they accept/are offered.

Comment by Wally 07.17.08 @ 1:01 pm

Major mistake by Grubb – if you cover college recruiting for a living, you HAVE to know the rules. Its not like coaches don’t talk like this all the time – its just understood that you can’t quote them.

Comment by Jamie H 07.17.08 @ 1:19 pm

The Trib is making mistakes regularly.

Reported that the Steelers hired Russ Grimm as head coach.

Some false alarms with Hossa contract stuff, though they still blame the agent.

Now this. Why are they in such a rush that they do these things? Don’t they get 2 sources for anything?

Comment by Brother Anthony 07.17.08 @ 1:38 pm

What is the policy reason behind the rule in the first place? Why limit coaches from talking about recruits? Seems like a pointless regulation if there ever was one…

Comment by Patrick 07.17.08 @ 1:42 pm

This is going to be Dixon’s best class if Patterson and Taylor stick to their verbals. I am assuming that Dodson is on his way too?. I guess Coach figures if he can get another quality big man, he should. He’s banking that our guards play well, but I think it’s a good gamble.

I would still go through the proper channels in case the NCAA wakes up in a bad mood one morning. I mean, if it’s taking them this long to sort out Cook’s situation, they have to be backed up and obviously cranky.

Herrion should have known better, but I am sure he won’t make this mistake again. The Trib staff committed an error that should have been picked out before anything was printed. No apple crisp for you, Mr. John Grupp.

Comment by Panthoor 07.17.08 @ 2:22 pm

Seems to me the rule protects the schools somewhat. If they are not allowed to talk about recruits in the papers, they don’t have to worry about saying nice things about one particular recruit early in the process and maybe not saying anything about another. With the “fickle” nature of recruits these days that could be misconstrued as a lower level of interest from the school.

In this case where the recruit had already verballed though, it is a pretty harmless violation of the rule.

Comment by gopittgo 07.17.08 @ 2:23 pm

The rule is to provide a level playing field between big (popular) schools and smaller (less popular) schools. They want to prevent coaches who appear frequently either in print or on TV from singing the praises of an unsigned player, when the coaches at the lesser schools are not afforded the same amount of air time/press. Taylor verbally committed, but he is still free to go anywhere he wants until he signs in November. The punishment is that Pitt has to contact taylor and re-iterate that he is still free to go anywhere he wants. Basically a slap on the wrist, but not something you want re-occurring very often.

Comment by Jeff 07.17.08 @ 4:40 pm

If they didn’t have this rule, every coach would be trying to talk as much about every possible recruit as they could, to try and prove they wanted them more than the next school. It would be a contest for “which coach gets the recruits name in the paper the most”. It would get ridiculous

Comment by Jamie H 07.17.08 @ 4:52 pm

Not a “mistake” by Herrion, they talk to the reporters EVERY DAY like this, the reporters are supposed to be smart enough to know that talk like this is ALWAYS off the record – it doesn’t need repeated before every conversation. The reporter is a fucking moron for a shitty paper. The trib should be left out of all Pitt news from now on – who reads it anyways? End of story.

Comment by Stuart 07.18.08 @ 4:19 am

I read in a forum that Robinson’s interest may have significantly dropped after the Taylor verbal.

Comment by Mike 07.18.08 @ 10:06 am

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