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December 7, 2007

And Now the Bounce

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Recruiting,Wannstedt — Chas @ 10:37 am

Pitt has a big basketball game tomorrow at Washington, yet I am still writing about recruiting stuff. That’s messed up.

USA Today had a story on Pitt recruiting after the WVU win among other things.

During the West Virginia game, Wannstedt, who recently had surgery to repair a ruptured Achilles’ tendon, pitched his crutches in frustration. His annoyance peaked with two horrendous penalties against Pitt in the second half that could have reversed the outcome on the road.

“I ended up breaking one of them,” he said. “The next day I was in the training room with the players. I set myself back a week, but it was worth it.”

My wife was glaring at me for most of the week for leaving her with the sick kids while I went to the game. It was worth it.

Getting the right players is paramount. Wannstedt recalled what USC’s Pete Carroll told him when he considered the job at his alma mater: “Get a good offensive and defensive coordinator. And you better have seven guys who can recruit.”

Today, he will host 14 recruits at the school. Two days ago, one of the top recruits in western Pennsylvania, Cameron Saddler, verbally committed to the Panthers in the wake of their upset of the Mountaineers after he appeared to be a lock to attend Virginia, or possibly WVU.

“We’ve been talking about turning the corner with this program with recruiting good players and getting Pitt back to where it was in the ’70s,” Wannstedt said. “The win over West Virginia really gave us a big shot in the arm. That was a big recruiting game for all the local kids. We’ll see when it’s all said and done in February how many we actually end up with.”

Wannstedt does say he’s planning to review the assistant coaches and players — as would be standard at this point — to see what can improve. No surprise the biggest concern is the O-line.

The area hit hardest by graduation is the offensive line, and it will be an area of concern yet again for the Panthers with left tackle Jeff Otah, center Chris Vangas and right tackle Mike McGlynn moving on. Jason Pinkston, who will be a redshirt sophomore after shoulder surgery this season, could move from right to left tackle. A junior-college center will attempt to be signed as well, so a tackle must emerge. Wannstedt did not rule out moving some defensive linemen to offense, but he wouldn’t confirm anything.

“We’ve got to bring the offensive line together,” Wannstedt said. “We’ve got to determine the five starters, and then we’ve got to get them playing together as fast as we can. … That’s our top priority in the spring.”

Getting that JUCO Center to verbal this weekend would be huge for Pitt. Not only is Vangas gone, there wasn’t much behind him (which was why he kept the job).

Brief aside, anyone else just a little concerned that even at this point Wannstedt refers to Elijah Fields as “week to week?” I can’t help but worry he will never make it back when the structure of the regular season — even if he was suspended for the season — is not in place.





That’s as close as you can get to an upset. UW played tough but we helped them by missing FT’s.

Comment by Panthoor 12.08.07 @ 4:58 pm

Well, we got the call that matters…

…i still can’t believe we were in that position…

Dammit though we still need a clutch FT shooter… 2/10ths from losing….

But it is a huge win, something UCLA and 30 other teams haven’t done the last couple years…

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 4:59 pm

We broke some hearts today and I broke a part of my bowel. So their streak ends at 31…good win for us.

Comment by Panthoor 12.08.07 @ 5:01 pm

Folks – this Pitt team is special. I can’t tell you as a coach how many time I have practiced that last sequence. Jamie knew their was not enough time to score. Officials got it right. Shouldn’t have been that close. Pitt a little sloppy at the end but that’s ok. Gives em something to work on. This may be the best Pitt team ever!! I do not say that lightly. Jamie learning how to coach…much improved.

Blair …a man child!!

Need to work on stopping that three or the Dukies will have us for breakfast!!!

Comment by Dan 72 12.08.07 @ 5:04 pm

It wound up being on Fox Sports Florida for some reason. Dunno why… maybe because I’m in Tampa and Pitt’s in the Big East w/ USF. But I got to see the second half at least.

Wow, I wonder if the Washington fans will pull a “Seahawk” and cry about this one?

But it was obvious that the clock was at 0.0 when he got rid of it.

I guess the Huskies would’ve won that one if College Basketball games were 40:00.2 long!

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.08.07 @ 5:07 pm

Its amazing how crappy our luck is at the end though…first they make 2 amazing 3’s with hands in the face, then they miss, and while we’re getting the rebound it pops out to one of their guys who fires it to someone for a 3…then we miss the front end of the 1 and 1 (because the refs have been dicking us on calls all day so we’re not in the double bonus yet)…then we get a offensive rebound – but they get the ball on a jump ball!

Thank god they shot that a tenth too late…that’s the ONLY thing that went our way today…

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 5:10 pm

In other scores:

Louisville lost to Dayton. Dayton apparently isn’t anything to scoff at, and we have to go there in a few weeks.

And the Dookies kicked the crap out of Michigan. Our non-con schedule this year is shaping up to be the toughest in…. well I can’t remember when!

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.08.07 @ 5:11 pm

Geez. Those guys threw up prayers from the 3 point line and they went in…
Refs were a complete joke…
We still continue to suck against full court pressure..
Im a little worried against a guy like hibbert… There big men arent that good and we didnt look extremely comfortable against them. Not horrible, but these big men are not roy hibbert

Comment by Adam 12.08.07 @ 5:12 pm

The best part is the Huskies celebration after…i love the look on their faces after all that jumping around that they just got another L hung up on em.

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 5:14 pm

LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE – WE’RE FINALLY GOING TO MAKE SPORTSCENTER! It took the 9th ranked team in the nation 9 games!

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 5:15 pm

PS – Flacco and Deleware in the 1-AA semifinal on ESPN and they just talked about how DW wouldn’t release him from his scholarship at PITT and how Flacco’s Dad had to pay his way his first year at Deleware and how Flacco was so mature for not harboring hard feelings towards DW and Pitt. DW made to look like a real asshole… Thought the ESPN announcers certainly didn’t put it into context.

Comment by John from DC 12.08.07 @ 5:16 pm

After the officiating debacle at hoopietown these BB ofcials knew they had to get it right

Comment by Jim 12.08.07 @ 5:19 pm

Flacco and Delaware down 3 on espn in the second quarter…turns out Flacco can’t QB sneak it either…

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 5:22 pm

Refs were Pac 10 all the way, the calls they made all game were a joke, completly one sided. We at least got the main call with no time left. I thought they were going to blow that one to. Pitt needs to play harder on the floor in the big east. We got to get the loose balls more.

Comment by Buzz 12.08.07 @ 5:26 pm

Amazing that Pitt misses key free throws at the end of a game…..that is a first.

At least the officials got the big call right.

Comment by Joey D 12.08.07 @ 5:27 pm

Pitt wash highlight up next on ESPN News

Comment by TMGPanther 12.08.07 @ 5:27 pm

ESPNEWS: bottom right corner – “AHEAD: PITT-WASH dramatic finish”

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 5:27 pm

And Louisville lost to Dayton today – we better not overlook that game.

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 5:28 pm

Great win on the road! I must note that the REFS CAN KISS MY ASS!

I feel realy good about what I saw from Blair, Fields and the rest of the team today. Slow start, away game, against a talented team on the west coast while the refs make horrendous calls and yet we still pull out a strong win…GO PITT!

Comment by MoE 12.08.07 @ 5:30 pm

“Jesus Mark, I have never seen a person so down on every QB we have.
I understand the concern regarding his lack of offers. I think Adams point was that he only got offers his senior season because it was the first time he has played as a started. I highly doubt many schools would offer a back-up but I’m not a expert.

Comment by dan 12.08.07 @ 1:16 pm”

My reply:

1. There is reason to think the QB’s already on the roster aren’t good or the staff wouldn’t be getting three more.

2. I said many times that Cross will start next year and I think he is going ot be good.

3. I never said Stoudt wouldn’t be good down the road. What I said was that it’s ludicrous that a First Team Big School QB in Ohio was somehow under the radar and that colleges stopped offering people for the last four months.

Comment by Mark 12.08.07 @ 5:57 pm

Stoudt really didnt come onto the D1 center stage until after his junior year. He did well in combines and got attention, but no one had seen him play against competition. He was very similar to a Chris Burns in a weird way. Chris Burns didnt even have a rivals profile when pitt offered him. No one new him because he played for a low profile district 10 team. He also only had small time looks.
I wouldnt agree with the fact that you hate all qb’s and you have reason to be critical of them mark.
Im just saying that i really do believe that the reason he didnt get the big time offers had to do with the fact that teams didnt really start giving him close looks until a few months ago.
Stoudt is nothing Amazing, but he is a good three star qb. He is a guy that could go either way. It is so difficult to measure a qb, because it is a position that mental toughness must factor in to.
I really still like Tino more. and he said if his parents feel comfortable he will commit monday. He said his mom met with DW and he talked with Louisville the other day.
Easy on mark guys. Its not hard to understand why he would be critical on our qb’s.

Comment by Adam 12.08.07 @ 6:11 pm

Mark,
Im in complete agreement with you on Cross- he looks like a huge upgrade over anything we have now. Frankly, I understand your concerns over Stoudt and agree with you on Stull and Smith- they have very limited potential.

Comment by dan 12.08.07 @ 6:41 pm

Has anybody heard of Matt Grothe? QB. South Florida. Kicked Pitt’s ass as a freshman last year. This year too. 80 yard run from scrimmage. The guy had offers from…USF and maybe Furman. Offers don’t mean crap.

Nothing wrong with MAC teams either. Roethisberger played there. So did Charlie Batch. The Panthers need depth and promise at the QB slot. Stoudt offers both. So will hopefully Sunseri and Cross.

Comment by Barry 12.08.07 @ 7:03 pm

Word is State Penn’s footbrawlers got into another fight….names to be released Monday…

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 7:09 pm

ok so with this greg cross kid….do we know how good he actually is? the kid threw more int’s than tds in his freshman year at a juco, so why do we really think he’s going to be all that better than Stull? Granted, we haven’t seen Stull play much, but we haven’t seen Greg Cross AT ALL.

Comment by yi 12.08.07 @ 7:27 pm

UW makes the last shot…

Me: Huge expletive with kids in the room, nearly tear my hat in half. I keep ranting about crappy refs as I immediately go straight upstairs without looking back at the TV to grab a shower (going straight out to dinner).

A few minutes later, my wife opens the bathroom door, me in the shower with shampoo in my hair, still fuming big time.

Wife: “Hey, the shot didn’t count.”

Me: “What?”

Wife: “The shot didn’t count.”

Me: “He didn’t get it off in time?”

Wife: “Yeah.”

Me: “[Bleepin’] yeah! We deserved after those mother [bleepin’] calls!”

Seriously, I’ll admit we played terribly in the first half. But the second half that was a great performance. The refs were atrocious! Missed travels, that missed foul on the oop to Blair, that ticky-tacks on our guys, including that one on Young when he’s just freaking standing there with his arms up. Should he turn and run away next time, ref? And UW was freaking out of their heads from behind the arc.

Yes, Levance missed that last front end, but he nailed those two FTs the possession before, which was huge. He was clutch all second half. As was Sam and Blair. That’s one of the best halves of Pitt hoops I’ve seen in several years.

Great freakin’ win.

Comment by Carmen 12.08.07 @ 7:44 pm

I’m glad i have a DVR…it took me about 2 seconds to remember…than i rewound it, put it in slow motion, and knew we won…when it started taking 5 minutes, i started getting pissed off…i was like “WTF? Are they trying to screw us??!?!”

I’m glad i’m not the only one that thought that reffing was down right awful…it was making me sick watching it…you’d hear a whistle, start to clap, and then realize we were getting hammered with a terrible call….unbelieveable…

Comment by Stuart 12.08.07 @ 8:29 pm

haha we get it stuart, you have DVR!

Comment by Tray 12.08.07 @ 10:21 pm

ha carmen..great story.

go pitt.

Comment by scoocher 12.08.07 @ 10:54 pm

Cry me a freakin’ river, Joe Flacco. Is Flacco Italian for “Quitter?” You had every chance to dazzle in practice and convince a new staff you deserved to play. The way Cav handled Palko (and vice versa) it was clear there was no love lost.

“DW treated me badly,” wah wah wah. You quit on the guy and screwed him. Seems like it’s going to work out for you just fine. You did well in a lower division and got some attention. You’ll get that tuition you had to pay back times 100,000. Had you gotten the ‘fair shake’ I’m sure you think you didn’t get at Pitt, you might have become the next John Ryan. If you were lucky.

Same with freakin’ Luke Getsy. These kids act like they had no clue there would be competition at the position. They committed to a program with a guy seen as the biggest recruit at Pitt since Dan Marino, so I’m sure they figured they were 8-balled (or 3-balled as it were) — but (1) given Palko’s status, what did they expect? and (2) even given the situation, coaches aren’t dumb enough to sit you if you’re THAT much better. Notice that Dorin Dickerson sits more than he plays in favor of kids that were afterthought recruits at multiple positions. I saw each of those guys play in Blue/Gold games, and they simply didn’t outplay Palko. But of course, the press treats them like Pitt gave them the Austin Scott date treatment. I wish them no ill will but in my eyes, they are just two kids who quit on my favorite program, so I ain’t feeling bad for them.

Comment by geeman2001 12.08.07 @ 11:01 pm

yi,
he threw mostly deep routes. That is why he was picked off. They had him throwing a lot of jumpballs because he had such a cannon of an arm. Dont expect a great player by any means. I would say his passing will be a little worse than rod rutherford was, so nothing amazing, but an average guy. He should be a nice scrambler though.
This kid is challenging for a starting spot and if he isnt good enough just giving depth incase something like this year happens again.
everyone is so down on stull… Im really not sure why..
stull hasnt had the opportunity to do anything yet.
Some guys are saying just based on the fact that he had to compete with kevan smith and bostick for a starting spot that he sucks, but you never know guys. some kids are gamers, and i just dont think its fair to judge bill YET…
Kevan Smith and Bostick will improve in the offseason. The problem is with all their improvement they should still be below average qbs for next year. Stull and Cross i think will battle for the starting job, and Stoudt (and tino if he commits) will redshirt.

The word is that Stoudt committed with a soft verbal… Alot of guys think that he felt the pressure from Tino and thought he would lose his only BCS conference scholarship, so he committed really fast. Alot of recruiting analysts think schools that dont get the qb they are holding out on are going to pursue him late and he may decommit from Pitt. I Think that is why Dave is still really pursuing Tino.
its going to get real interesting here. We have alot of guys that want to play Qb and Wr for us…

Comment by Adam 12.09.07 @ 3:52 am

I’ll take a “gamer” (Stull) over a “picture perfect in practice” (Bostick) QB everyday of the week, and twice on Saturday. All i heard this year was how good Bostick looked in practice…and then watched bounce passes in games. Stull may suck in practice (if thats even true), and he may be better under pressure in the game. I’m not sure why people are down on him either – he hasn’t hurt us yet, give him a chance.

Note – this is not to be construed as me giving up on Bostick – i still think the kid has a foundation, he just needs to practice for a year or so…

Comment by Stuart 12.09.07 @ 4:05 am

And we need as many QBs as we can get – prepare them all, and may the best man win, and i really don’t care if its Stull, Bostick, Stoudt, Sunseri, Smith or Cross. I could care less about where he’s from or how many stars or age or whatnot. I just want the one who performs the best in games.

Comment by Stuart 12.09.07 @ 4:07 am

12.08.07 @ 7:44 pm Comment by Carmen

Geez, Carmen, as long as you’re sure that you’re sure, there couldn’t be a problem; in the broad scheme of things, it shouldn’t matter to anyone in particular if you’re a girl but not a guy, or a guy but not a girl, or something btw — albeit let’s consider for a second that people are, in fact, sorta particular nonetheless, and that particularities are hard not to come by in folks’.

So that given-taken, if I read comments regularly and, even if for fault of memory, recall those authored by “Carmen,” how does-should one differentiate comments from “Carmen” at this here site from others linked to, … well

link to lustybit.blogspot.com

Comment by Neil 12.09.07 @ 4:25 am

You know why I think Cross is better than Stull? Because the Pitt staff clearly thinks so or they wouldn’t have flown to God forsaken Kansas in the middle of December if they didn’t think they needed an upgrade. Their actions speak volumes.

As for his stats, he was the MVP in the best JC conference in the country and turned a team that lost 18 straight before his arrival into one of the best JC teams in the country. What more proof do you need of his talent?

Comment by Mark 12.09.07 @ 7:58 am

Yeah, thats all fine and good, being a great Juco player, but wasn’t Lowell Robinson an all american Juco? And granted, he was a terrific returner, but he couldn’t get a minute of playing time in our secondary…not even as a senior. I’m not saying that Cross is not more talented than Stull, but everyone knows talent doesn’t mean shit unless you know how to run this offense. We’ll see what happens if he commits b/c he gets to start learning from January, but i mean, i just don’t think we should be crowning him our starter yet.

p.s. Honestly, has anyone actually seen him play?

Comment by yi 12.09.07 @ 11:07 am

i agree with for the most part Mark.
They know he has the talent to be better than any other qb. Like i said before he throws deep routes which equal interceptions. He played in a good juco conference.

Comment by Adam 12.09.07 @ 11:11 am

Lowell Robinson was recruited soley for special teams….
but yeah, you never know how a qb especially will turn out. I do love his scrambling though. his arm is absolutely unbelievable… The thing is though, like i said before rutherford had a cannon and he never was that impressive

Comment by Adam 12.09.07 @ 12:00 pm

sal genila top juco qb in the nation interception machine

Comment by Kurt 12.09.07 @ 12:06 pm

Uh, Neil, are you from western Pa.? Lots of Italians here, no? In D.C., I expected that confusion, and gots lots of calls from people expecting to speak to a woman. So, yes, male, Italian, who can cook up a storm in the kitchen, ’cause chain restaurants and fast food are for people who have given up on flavor.

Comment by Carmen 12.09.07 @ 2:46 pm

All it speaks volumes to is what Wannstedt said the other day: he never wants to be caught in the position of having a freshman QB if they have to go to the backup due to injury. Considering at one point this season we were down to 1 available QB total…he’s just looking for depth. All 4 or 5 guys will have a shot at it, and when injuries happen the next guy in line will step in.

Comment by Stuart 12.09.07 @ 5:12 pm

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