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October 15, 2007

Darts anyone? This has ceased to be fun.

Dennis, as usual did the initial heavy lifting and I did a little tweaking. The floor is now open for comments. Please, when you complain about who is ranked and where, offer a reasonable suggestion as to who should be higher.

Rank Team Delta
1 South Florida 3
2 Ohio State
3 Boston College 2
4 Oklahoma 2
5 South Carolina 2
6 Kentucky 11
7 LSU 6
8 Florida
9 West Virginia 3
10 Southern Cal 1
11 California 8
12 Arizona State 6
13 Missouri 2
14 Oregon 1
15 Kansas 5
16 Hawaii 2
17 Auburn 4
18 Virginia Tech 5
19 Texas 5
20 Cincinnati 10
21 Maryland 1
22 Texas Tech 4
23 Tennessee 3
24 Wake Forest 2
25 Michigan 1
Dropped Out: Wisconsin (#13), Florida State (#16), Illinois (#19), Georgia (#25).

Standing By/Waitlisted: Penn State, Virginia, K-State and Alabama

It’s been that bad in college football that Michigan has found its way back into the top-25. I don’t know. I was poised to actually put UConn, Indiana or Boise St. in the poll, but the first two lost and BSU had a multi-OT shootout at home with Nevada this evening (that BSU did win) to kill that one.

I mean, for gods sake, Virginia is closing in on the top-25 at this point. Even as I argue against it.

Yes, I moved USF to #1. They have accomplished more this season than Ohio State, to this point.

Kentucky continues to yo-yo up and down the poll. Right now up because of beating LSU, though I expect them to plummet again if they lose to Florida this coming Saturday.

Cal takes a hard tumble. Not just for losing, but coming up so small at home against Oregon State.

USC drops another spot as they barely pulled out a weak victory rather than another embarrassing loss.

Cinci, Cinci, Cinci. You broke my wife’s heart by not taking back the Keg O’ Nails. Consolation trophy to come this week.
Oregon only gets a 1 spot bump because I’m not sold on them much longer with the injuries they had this weekend.

Really, it’s just a flippin’ mess. I hate seeing VT move that high just for beating Duke, but no one else is really showing much either. Same with Auburn, but if I’m going to guess at which great defense/crappy offense is better I’m going with Auburn.





BC has accomplished more this season with wins against GTech and Wake (who have both won games against BCS opponents with winning records) than OSU – who’s best win is against a Purdue team that can’t beat anyone that isn’t a directional school or DIAA. If you put OSU at 2, don’t you have to put ASU at 3?

We constantly punish teams for playing and occasionaly losing to real teams – and keep rewarding teams that play no one – ie, the OSUs of the world. OSU wouldn’t beat anyone in your top 11 – lucky for them, they don’t play a single team that will end in your top 24…

…and then you have Michigan at 25. There are dozens of teams that have lost 2 games, and not one of them to a DIAA school. At least Virginia has only lost to 1 terrible team. Even Kansas State or Alabama. If they weren’t named “Michigan” you wouldn’t even be considering them.

Comment by Stuart 10.15.07 @ 12:42 am

Haha, I was just discussing the fact that VaTech and Auburn are both teams with no offense but a lot of defense (and in Tech’s case, special teams).

A VT v. Auburn Bowl game would probably be the least watched game of the year.

Once again, I know we’re all supposed to be Big East homers in here… but I barely can agree with USF at #2 than at #1.

I guess they’re undefeated and had two big upset wins (one against the aforementioned offensively challenged Auburn), but what else? They beat a lot of bad teams, and had a tough time against Florida Atlantic… which is probably why they felt the need to kick the bejesus out of UCF to save face.

I feel that our conference has taken a step back this year. USF is a good team and deserves a high ranking, but you have to admit that the obscenely high ranking that they have now is at least 65% because of the good fortune of having half of the teams ranked ahead of you get upset every week.

But then again, the more I criticize this Bulls team (whom my fellow Big East homers have annointed the saviors of the conference apparently), the more they climb the polls.

And I have a feeling that with their remaining schedule the Bulls could go undefeated and go the BCS title game too. I could see maybe a 1-loss LSU going in place of them, but only if Ohio State holds at #1 (which I highly doubt will happen).

If you have a chance, watch a USF game (usually on ESPNU every week), they have a good offense, but in my opinion it’s Grothe that keeps the whole thing afloat. Without him that offense would be lethargic (look at what they did, or didn’t do, last year when he was hurt). That kid is an INSANE athlete.

Honestly, even though I’d take USF in an actual game (unless it was played in Boston in cold weather), I don’t feel that BC should be punished for beating a bad Notre Dame on the road by having a USF team that blew out a mid-major at home leapfrog them.

I know, I’m not being a good “Big East guy” today, but I’d rank ’em 1. OSU 2. BC 3. USF 4. LSU 5. Oklahoma

You can’t punish LSU THAT much for losing in OT on the road to a good Kentucky team. Unlike Cal and USC, they lost to a quality opponent away from home.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 10.15.07 @ 1:04 am

By the way, West Virginia hasn’t beaten anyone all year besides an above-average Maryland team.

That is all.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 10.15.07 @ 1:07 am

chas,

tell your wife things still look good, cincy still has the flag team running around entertaining everyone and next week they will snatch back the river city trophy

Comment by vito 10.15.07 @ 8:36 am

I hate Ohio State so much, and it seems they are the beneficiaries of other teams losing more than anyone.

Lets take a look at their undefeated schedule, shall we?

1. D-1AA Youngstown State

2. An Akron team that has lost to Indiana, Connecticut, and Temple…

3. A 2-4 Washington team that was just clobbered by Arizona State.

4. A Northwestern team that has lost to DUKE (Duke’s only win of the season I might add)

5. A 1-6 Minnesota team, who has lost to FLORIDA ATLANTIC.

6. An overrated and soon to be unranked Purdue.

7. And 2 days ago they beat powerhouse Kent State.

IMO USF has proven themselves more than OSU has, so I agree with Chas there. BC hasn’t beaten anyone noteworthy either.

As everyone is saying though, right now its just a matter of undefeated teams losing, and the shit rising to the top.

Comment by Ryan M 10.15.07 @ 8:45 am

USF is for real. Forget about their offense, the defense is unbelievable. They are fast, always in the right place, aggressive and they can hit. Grothe makes everything go on offense, but they don’t need to score many points to win. They can certainly play with LSU, OSU, Florida or whatever overrated team you want to throw at them. They are the best team the Big East has had since the U left.

Comment by Omar 10.15.07 @ 9:32 am

Apparently Peter King from SI is running his mouth on Pitt football now. That is the contrarian indicator I needed, he is a total stooge. Expect an upset win against Cinci this weekend.

Comment by Omar 10.15.07 @ 9:38 am

Firstly, Cinci has no business touching our River City trophy. Pitt will find Walt Harris’ “impetus to win” and beat UC at home.

Second does anyone want Pedersen backl as AD? link to journalstar.com

Comment by ChrisA 10.15.07 @ 9:50 am

I am glad Peter King called out Pitt. By the way, what’s wrong with him doing it-you are all over this board doing it yourself Omar!

Comment by matt'shouse 10.15.07 @ 10:17 am

Because he is uninformed and an idiot.

Comment by Omar 10.15.07 @ 10:24 am

oh, ok.

Comment by matt'shouse 10.15.07 @ 10:26 am

Jackie Sherrill for AD!

Comment by Rex 10.15.07 @ 11:12 am

No way we beat UC, they are taking this game very, very seriously.

With the UL loss, they need this win to get back on track, UC runs the spread, it is going to be ugly.

Comment by vito 10.15.07 @ 11:17 am

as much as it pains me, id take a 2-10 or 3-9 season if it means getting rid of rhoades and dunn. chalk it up as growing pains. we’ll never get better until they are gone, and it seems like this is the only way short of rhoades leaving for another job (LOL).

Comment by matt in orlando 10.15.07 @ 11:58 am

Big time prediction

UC’s Quarterback can run, Check.
UC runs the spread offense, Check.
UC can play defense and defends the run very well, Check.

Prediction

Paperbag on my head at the end of the first quarter as I am yelling “OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN” and I am sleeping in my seat prior to the fourth quarter beginning as we are down by 30 + while our QB is tossing Matt C Inspired four yard passes on 3rd and 8.

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 10.15.07 @ 11:59 am

Tony, I’m with you

Comment by vito 10.15.07 @ 12:01 pm

we will be embarrassed once again. As much as I hate saying it. Wow, everyone laughed at Cince a few years ago and in a few days they’ll be wiping the floor with us…that hurts.

Comment by Rex 10.15.07 @ 1:00 pm

Rex,

I understand completely, I live in the Cincy area and have watched UC really come on the last season and a half.

They went from a laughing stock to a legit BE contender, why?

COACHING!!

The biggest problem UC is going to have is holding onto their coach Brian Kelly. Kelly is respected by the local media and by his peers in coaching circles.

Comment by vito 10.15.07 @ 1:41 pm

Tony, I plan on bringing a paper bag of my own for this game.

Comment by Dennis 10.15.07 @ 3:24 pm

I think we’ll be able to score in this game, due to the fact the QB play has improved, and we still have Shady. Its not possible to handicap this defense as bad as the coaches have been, right? Right?

I just don’t think we have a chance in hell to score more than the other team, because they’ll be playing a game against our defense. This won’t be UConn or Virginia bad, but still a loss. But i think by only 1 score – we may beat the spread! I mean, I thought we were going to lose the last game by 2 scores, and we stayed within 1! Moral victory!

Comment by Stuart 10.15.07 @ 6:01 pm

The last time I checked the spread it was 10, it started at 9.5, that’s pretty light.

We can score points, but the problem we are going to have on offense is keeping Bostick protected and healthy versus the UC pass rush.

UC is going to try to make us one dimensional by stopping the run and then tee off on getting to Bostick. Bostick has improved week in and week out but the UC defense is going to cause matchup problems with our o-line.

Our gameplan should consist of max pass protection and really develop a crisp short passing game to keep UC off-balance. We can run on them, but we have to mix up our calls, throw on first down, etc…

As always, I’m sure our coaches are working hard on developing a full-proof bend over and break it off in our asses strategy.

A win isn’t out of the question but when I look at our defense it really makes me wonder if our defense could stop the little sisters of the poor.

Just some something to chew on, Syracuse lost to Miami of Ohio by 3 points, UC destroyed Miami of Ohio, we can hang with Syracuse and Miami of Ohio, but not with UC, give the 10 points and bet the house.

That’s my take, see you at the game this weekend.

Comment by vito 10.15.07 @ 8:51 pm

We will need to pass to beat Cincy. The problem is that their weakness on defense is our weakness on offense…the 20 and 30 yard downfield pass. If you watched the Lville game, that’s how Lville beat them (with med and deep passes).

Comment by HbgFrank 10.15.07 @ 9:28 pm

Doesn’t really matter what anyone thinks about who should be where in the rankings at this point. If the second half goes the same as the first then we won’t have any clue who’s gonna be in the title game til the end of the year. Next two thursdays will tell you about 2 of the 6 unbeatens. And OSU won’t make it to November undefeated. Real possibility a two loss team plays for the title, hell maybe they will both be 2 loss. PLAYOFF would be great this year

Comment by Rob 10.15.07 @ 9:54 pm

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