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October 10, 2007

Navy-Pitt: Liveblog

Filed under: Bloggers, Football — Chas @ 8:32 pm

Late start. I was stuck with an unconscious infant on my lap for the first 9 minutes of action.

Adam Nettina at Pitch Right is liveblogging (1st half and 2nd half) the game as well.

Well, they are letting Bostick throw a bit, but not much downfield. The O-line is horrible (nothing new), as the undersized D-line is getting disturbingly easy penetration. Pathetic. Not sure why they have McCoys deep to take hand-offs. With the penetration by Navy’s D-line.

Pitt’s second drive is looking a lot better. Actually mixing up the run and pass creates more offense. Go figure.

Collins takes it in for the score. Lee ties the Pitt record for consecutive XPs.

7-7

A brief word about the defense’s first effort. Typical from a Rhoadsian D. The most disturbing thing was the sideline report right after Navy scored. The observation that the Pitt sideline coaches and defense coming off the field was being stunned by the speed of Navy. Oh, that was a puckering moment.

8:36: And on the kickoff to Navy, Campbell takes it out past the 40. Great.

8:41: Navy is just moving the ball with ease. Actually, “ease” might not be a strong enough word. Excellent, an incidental facemask on Pitt as well. Just to help the Midshipmen along.

8:43: I should mention that the liveblogging of the defense will be brought to you tonight with the necessary aid of Elijah Craig 12-year old bourbon. Whether I shift to Newcastle Beer or Bombay Gin straight depends on whether the defense shows any signs of life making me want to see it through less than glossy eyes.

8:47: Astounding. Lou Holtz can’t even identify who is on the field. He just noted a stop and said, “I can’t even see which linebacker made the tackle.” It’s going to be a long game regardless of the outcome.

8:51: Of course, Navy made the 4th and 2. Now 1st and goal.

8:55: TD Pass to Reggie Campbell. I just can picture Rhoads on the sidelines paging through his notebook, saying, “Did we prepare for that?”

14-7 Navy. 13:05 in the 2nd Q. The drive took 5:09 and 61 yards.

8:57: LaRod Stephens-Howling with an outstanding kickoff return. 45 yards. Pitt starts at the Navy 44.

9:00: Pitt picks it up on 4th down, and shockingly the flag was offside Navy. I know I assumed Pitt moved early when the flag was tossed.

9:03: Bostick calls a TO as the clock wound down. Pitt didn’t get to the line quickly. Bostick actually showed some awareness to realize it and made the good decision to preseve being inside the 20 on 1st down.

9:05: Back-to-back McCoy runs for more than 10 yards to take Pitt to 1st and Goal at the 7.

9:07: McCoy takes it in for the TD. A nearly 4 minute drive. How very unnatural.

Conor Lee converts the XP to set the new consecutive XP record for Pitt.

14-14, 9:04 left in the half.

9:11: 717 Represent! LeSean McCoy being shown on the sideline has the area code for Harrisburg (and Hershey and Lebanon among others) on his eyeblack tape.

9:15: Here’s a stunner. Pitt can’t stop Navy running the ball. Classic example of where stats lie. They keep referring to Pitt’s team D rankings nationally. Well when two consecutive games had teams taking the second half off, it helps skew things along.

9:16: Dear god, Lou Holtz with a good observation. With the Navy offense, you can’t try to read it — as Pitt is doing — but attack. Of course, Rhoads doesn’t know how to do that.

TD Navy.

21-14, 5:06 ’til halftime. A ten-play drive with not a single pass.

139 rushing yards by Navy so far.

9:21: Lowell Robinson takes it to about the 22 on the kickoff.

Pelusi sighting. He takes a short pass and gets 15 yards.

9:22: Bostick hits Turner, who actually got YAC. Looks like this drive is about the passes.

9:25: Hey LaRod Stephens-Howling gets a touch and takes it for about 10 yards.

And then only 1 yard on the next carry.

9:26: Wow. Oderick Turner must have had a fire lit under him about toughness. Turner fought and dragged defenders for extra yards. He must just be juiced at the concept of a forward pass.

9:27: Lou Holtz just threatened to bite Mark May on the nose. I don’t know what to say.
Bostick to Turner for a TD pass. Under review, depends on whether they decide he had control or not. Confirmed
21-21. 40 seconds left until halftime.

9:33: Aaron Berry just looked like a complete fool to actually let Navy pass deep on him. Berry never turned. He didn’t believe they would throw deep.

Good golly, Pitt kept them from the endzone. FG attempt with 7 seconds left.

9:37: Pitt calls timeout before the 35 yard attempt. Not at the very last second, though.

NO GOOD.

Pitt has 3 seconds to do nothing really.

Halftime. Pitt and Navy is tied at 21. The big problem in a game where neither defense is doing much. Navy gets the ball first. Pitt will have to keep responding and hope the defense breaks tradition and somehow gets a turnover.

Wanny didn’t seem surprised that Navy could run all over the defense. He was more agitated by how easily they could pass on Pitt.

Some Halftime Numbers:

Navy has 253 yards of offense. 147 yards rushing and 96 yards passing.

Pitt has 210 yards of offense. 85 yards rushing and 125 yards passing.

Pitt dominated time of possession 18:08 to 11:52.

Bostick was 12-16 on his passes.

Actual balance from Pitt with 38 plays 22 rushes and 16 passes.

9:59: Rece Davis just before the end of halftime, “The Pitt defense looks like it has no clue how to stop the Navy option.” Welcome to our world, Rece.

10:03: Ohmigod, Pitt’s defense makes a stop. Pitt defense made a stop. Let that sink in.

Nearly blocked the punt and Pitt takes over at their own 46.

10:05: As a Pitt fan, I know bad tackling. Navy doesn’t tackle well. Byham picks up a 1st and then Conredge Collins blows through the line.

10:07: I thought McCoy fumbled before the endzone. That better be a challenge if they rule touchback. Crap. An ACC crew calling the game. That explains the bad calls. Just ask ACC fans. They will concede that ACC football refs are the worst (Pac-10 replay refs suck worse than anyone else)

10:08: Phew, it will be reviewed and the replay is definitely hitting a Navy player and went out of bounds at the 2. Bails out McCoy who had a great run ’til the fumble.

10:12: Just off the phone with a friend at the game. The replay was not being shown on the jumbotron.

10:15: Second effort on second down by McCoy gets into the endzone!!!

28-21 Pitt 10:25 in the 3d.

10:18: So much for euphoria. A 60 yard return by Reggie Campbell to the Pitt 33.

10:20: Guarantee that Navy inside the 20 is in 4 down territory.

10:23: Too easy on the pitch left. TD Navy.

28-28, 6:54 in the 3d quarter. Plus Pitt was even offside on the XP.

Random question. Why doesn’t Navy go for 2 more often with the triple option? Especially against Pitt.

Well, Wanny said the offense and Bostick would need 28. Looks like more is needed. Why? Because the Pitt defense is letting Navy score at an even faster clip than expected.

10:29: Nice. Lowell Robinson with an excellent runback. Not sure where Pitt starts because it’s back to the sandwiches.

10:30: Good. Bubble screen to Turner goes for 15 yards. Hideous. Jeff Otah shaken up and grabbing at his right leg/knee. Left the field.

10:31: Conredge Collins busts a good run. Paul Zeise must be thrilled. McCoy shakes, jukes and moves for 7 yards to the 6. Otah back out there.

10:32: Crap. Why a screen now? Lost a yard and now Pitt is kicking a FG. Not a good idea in this game.

Lee hits it for a 31-28 lead with 4:57 left in the 3d.

10:38: Pitt defense does what it does best. Look confused and not know what to do. This drive has taken Navy over 200 yards rushing before the end of the 3d Q.

10:39: Navy fumble on exchange but Navy gets it back. Damn.

Now 1st and goal from the 8 for Navy.

10:44: Kaipo takes it in for the TD. An over 4 minute nearly 80 yard drive.

35-31 Navy with 19 seconds left in the 3d Q.

10:45: Pitt starts at the 32 with 12 seconds in the quarter. Now, Pitt has to score and the defense needs a turnover.

Crap. Turner had no idea which way to turn. Easy interception. Wrong turnover. Bostick didn’t help with the throw, but Turner turned the wrong way.

10:50: Wha’ happen? Did Pitt’s defense actually cause a 3 and out? Oh, golly. A fake and Pitt stopped it!!! McKillop maked the stop 1 yard or 2 before the 1st down.

10:53: All on the ground after the Bostick interception. Way to build the confidence in the QB. Granted Pitt is getting yardage, but you can visibly see that Pitt is not wanting to pass. At some point, even the Navy D is going to stuff until Pitt is permitted to pass again.

10:55: Clearly I’m an idiot. McCoy takes it 21 yards for the TD run. 140 yards rushing. He managed to keep his balance after a couple glancing hits.

38-35 Pitt in the 4th quarter.

11:07: Just methodically running Pitt over. Lou Holtz is loopy. He keeps calling Pitt’s defense very good. What is he seeing? Or drinking? Smoking?

Pitt finally got a stop on 4th and 3 inside the 20. Shockingly going to take a FG instead. Maybe.

36 yarder is good. 38-38 with 4:57 left in the game.

11:11: Ugh. Robinson flubbed the kickoff and only got out to the 18.

11:14: Mark, Mark, Mark. Never, ever, use 110% again for describing anything. Please. I beg you.

Conredge Collins stuffed as the defense penetrates. God help Pitt for daring to rely on the O-line.

Pitt going for it. They have to.

Balls. Bostick pass to McGee.

11:16: That was Bosticks first pass since the INT no less. Not surprised that Pitt went for it on 4th in this case but shocked they passed.

11:19: S**t. 1:33 left 4th and 3 near midfield. Pitt has to punt. If they don’t punt, Navy has plenty of time to score from midfield. Punting probably doesn’t give enough time.

Other factor. OT. That favors Navy simply because I would bet on Navy on a 2-pt conversion over Pitt.

11:21: Fair catch at the 16. 1:26 left.

11:24: Cripes. Navy might actually get to FG range at this rate.

11:28: What might have been with that tip at the line. Oh well.

FG attempt with 7 seconds. Wanny calls the TO — early — a 49 yarder.

Well short. 2 seconds left. I’d say OT is in the offing.

11:34: Welcome to OT. I won’t waste times with the rules. For the record, Pitt under Wannstedt is 0-2 in OT — Ohio (2005) and UConn (2006). I really shouldn’t be drinking at this point. I still have to get up tomorrow.
Navy won the toss. Pitt will — of course — start on offense. Crap.

11:36: I’ve tried to defend Cavanaugh. Give him slack with the offenses injuries. But really? A 4 yard pass on 3d and 8?

11:37: FG is good, but… Navy actually jumped offside. Holy crap. It’s first down.

11:39: LaRod Stephens-Howling with a change of pace and takes it just short of the goal line. Yay!

11:40: Bostick on the sneak… TD!!!!

45-38 Pitt. Navy’s turn coming.

11:42: Navy on a TD pass. Wide open. God help us Lou Holtz said it was there.

They’re going to review? For what?

Let me get this straight. Pitt hasn’t been able to stop the run against Navy with the safeties and LBs playing up and the corners soft to come up in run support? Oy.

Tied again. 45-45.

11:48: Navy gets to start on offense. Painful to watch. You’d think I’d be used to it by now. Apparently not. Navy just keeps going forward.

Oh, gosh. Mick Williams gets a sack! Navy went away from their bread and butter by going for a pass. Wow.

FG attempt goes through barely and almost blocked.

Pitt has to score the TD.

48-45 Navy.

11:52: Bostick calmly dropps back and hits Pestano for 16 yards over the middle.

McCoy runs for 5 yards. 3 yards from the endzone.

McCoy for 1 yard. 2 yards away. 3d and goal.

Incomplete but flag. Illegal motion declined and now 4th and goal.

Go for it. Win it now. Or lose it. Just be decisive.

11:55: Ballgame. Incomplete to Strong.

Um, uh, I guess you can say that you never expected that call.

12:03: I’m watching and replaying this play on the DVR. I may be doing this for a while.
Whether by design or incompetence, the Navy D-line just blew through Pitt. Bostick was being hit at the waist as he was throwing. Collins was supposed to block the defender but the player litterally dove high as Collins went low to get to Bostick.
Bostick was looking for Strong the entire time. The defender was clean. He was watching the ball and going up for it.
The defender had great position on Strong so he never had a chance to make a reception.

I’m not faulting going for it on 4th. I’m just stupified by the call. Not even going to Strong. It’s just that Pitt has all these TEs and WRs who had a fantastic game. Put in a 4 receiver set to help spread the field. Make Navy choose between crowding against the run or making sure everyone is covered across the field.

Maybe the coaches were afraid of having Bostick do too much with that kind of decisionmaking, but this call was not one that helped. Especially to the short side with no room for Strong to get there.





good stop mick williams

Comment by alcofan 10.10.07 @ 8:47 pm

Seriously, this is a terrible team.

I know I sound like a jerk, but we flat out suck. There’s no sugar-coating this one.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 10.10.07 @ 8:56 pm

Man, McCoy is just a stud.

Keep that offensive balance going.

Comment by Aaron 10.10.07 @ 9:05 pm

Congrats to Lee. Thank you Shady.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 9:07 pm

They can’t stop it.

At this point, the only hope is that we score on every posession from here on out, and Navy fumbles a couple of times in the second half.

Seriously. This is the gameplan.

Comment by Aaron 10.10.07 @ 9:16 pm

the announcers are complaining the d game plan

Comment by alcofan 10.10.07 @ 9:19 pm

I hope you guys like offense, because frankly we’re not stopping you and you’re not stopping us…

Comment by Adam 10.10.07 @ 9:19 pm

It’s a good thing we practiced in shin guards against this O for the last 8 days. I can’t imagine how much further Navy would be ahead if we hadn’t. Utterly disgraceful…Typical Rhoades…sit and wait…react D…getting pummelled..

Comment by Dan 72 10.10.07 @ 9:20 pm

when lou holtz is telling you how much your defensive game plan sucks and he is right, you’ve got problems

Comment by matt in orlando 10.10.07 @ 9:21 pm

Pathetic. Just freakin’ pathetic. This is just embarrassing. The Pitt D is setting new lows for incompetence. Arrest Rhoads for impersonating a coach.

Comment by Kevin Yoder 10.10.07 @ 9:21 pm

My first time watching Pitt this season…

Looking at the stands it reminds me of Sunday nights when I would drive up Mcardle roadway onto Mt. Washington and see from afar the cavalry of post Steelers game trash-picker-upers working their way through the stands.

Actually, I think the stadium was more full then.

Comment by Keith 10.10.07 @ 9:21 pm

how bad was bostick last week that he couldnt throw it 5 yards like hes doing today?

Comment by matt in orlando 10.10.07 @ 9:21 pm

Can Rhoads be summarily fired at half-time by some administrator/bureaucrat. Please.

Comment by Gaunilo of Esplen 10.10.07 @ 9:22 pm

Nice first down on the out pattern there, but Bostick is lucky he didn’t get turner killed by throwing it high and leaving him vulnerable. Take what you can get I guess…

Comment by Keith 10.10.07 @ 9:22 pm

I mean, the most frustrating thing is that this is the best I’ve seen the offense play all year.

And…I know it doesn’t matter because as soon as we kick the ball back, it’ll be 10 plays, 7:00 drive to a TD for Navy.

Comment by Aaron 10.10.07 @ 9:23 pm

Comment by Scott 10.10.07 @ 9:26 pm

Bostick looks good. No complaints about the offense this week. The defense is chasing ghosts out there.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 9:28 pm

fire paul rhoades

oh, and how bad is it that i agree with lou holtz about on campus stadiums? pitt stadium > heinz field

Comment by matt in orlando 10.10.07 @ 9:28 pm

Pitt has perfected the huddle. You go Wanny.

Comment by Keith 10.10.07 @ 9:37 pm

i’m sure our D coord isn’t familar w/ the concept of a run blitz to stuff that fullback dive/trap, but surely wanny the genius has seen other NFL teams run it.

“the pass is the thing that’s got us”. pure genius.

Comment by Scott 10.10.07 @ 9:38 pm

We have a shot to win this game. Please Rhoads if you have any love for life, please try to adjust. I don’t know why I even ask but I think we can win this.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 9:38 pm

The PASS IS WHAT GOT US? I hope he was just saying this to hide his genius for the second half because they passed all of three times.

Comment by Todd Gack 10.10.07 @ 9:39 pm

I like the comment about the on campus stadium.

Comment by flpole 10.10.07 @ 9:45 pm

paul rhoads adjust = oxymoron

Comment by tray 10.10.07 @ 9:46 pm

Our defense is horrible, I’m sure we will play “bend over and break it off in us” the entire second half.

Rhoads couldn’t coordinate his shoes and socks let alone a defense, he is a complete asshole.

Rhoads has to have pictures of Nordenberg or Wanny in a dress with high heels and pantyhose because I have no clue on how he keeps his job.

Comment by vito 10.10.07 @ 9:54 pm

Damn that is a badass suit Curtis martin has on. The man is stylin and connivin out there.

Here we go. Let’s stop them once please.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 9:58 pm

OK .. I’m starting it.

P-E-N-N-S-T-SUCKS

Comment by MelbaPlace 10.10.07 @ 10:04 pm

WHOOOOAAAAA.

How can that be Navy’s ball when no one touched it until it was out of bounds and the ball never made it into the endzone???

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:07 pm

ok but if PSU sucks does WVU swallow?

Comment by vito 10.10.07 @ 10:07 pm

Whatever the outcome, Wanny comes out of this the happiest man in Pittsburgh. Collins, McCoy, Byham, Bostick all starting to look extremely promising.

Comment by Todd Gack 10.10.07 @ 10:08 pm

Too bad the ball never hits the pylon. How can this not be Pitt’s ball on the one or two?

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:08 pm

Notre Dame swallows

Comment by MelbaPlace 10.10.07 @ 10:09 pm

That’s our ball. this will be overturned.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:09 pm

Stoosh, I have to say that you are always ahead of the curve, I really enjoy all of your insight and comments.

Comment by vito 10.10.07 @ 10:09 pm

We need to make sure Lou Holtz broadcasts more games.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:10 pm

Much appreciated, Vito!

Good call, Mr. Official.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:12 pm

Was it really that hard of a call to make?

Comment by MelbaPlace 10.10.07 @ 10:12 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, what we now have is called a lead.

The Shady McCoy Era is going to be fun.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:13 pm

We have a lead in the second half! Awesome.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:13 pm

Haven’t these guys ever heard of staying in lanes on KO coverage?

Good God, I haven’t seen kickoff coverage that bad since I was playing grade school football.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:18 pm

Again, Lou Holtz with the attack strategy. How can Holtz see this and Rhoads can’t?

Don’t answer that.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:22 pm

Oof. The pass really got us on that drive.

Comment by Brian of Brooklyn 10.10.07 @ 10:24 pm

Navy’s special teams might be as bad as ours.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:28 pm

Pitt’s D is in the same formation EVERY play. No movement. Not an attempt to confuse or disguise anything. Even on the 3 and goal from inside the two they have 4 linebackers playing 5 yards deep in the endzone! Those LB’s have no chance of stopping anything- and they didn’t… This D is completely passive, getting moved off the line 3 yards the second the ball snapped. So pathetic. Rhoads is simply the most incompetent coordinator in the history of football. God!

Comment by Kevin Yoder 10.10.07 @ 10:28 pm

Is that…is that a five-wide set? What, did Cavanaugh get struck by lightning during halftime?

By the way, Paul Rhoads coaches defense like a two-year old kid tries to communicate - you can sometimes see what they’re each trying to do, but most of it makes very little sense.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:30 pm

LSU fake field goal.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:32 pm

Damn…can’t complain because we’re winning, but I’m lining up to run the ball again there.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:32 pm

I would have gone for it. We have Collins and McCoy running all over the place. Damn.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:33 pm

Wannstedt again shows that he is too stupid to be a head coach. You go for that. Asshole.

Comment by Carmen 10.10.07 @ 10:35 pm

Zerbin Singleton WILL be an astronaut. Dammit.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:37 pm

This is why they needed to go for the TD on 4th and goal.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:38 pm

Hey! Rhoads didn’t adjust!

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:38 pm

I’m taking tomorrow off to head down to the South Side facility and I’m camping out in front of Rhoads’s office. And I’m bringing the woodshed with me.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:41 pm

I have never seen as many arm tackles by a college football defense as I have seen by Pitt tonight…confusion reigns supreme..

Comment by Dan 72 10.10.07 @ 10:45 pm

I just want to state for the record that I have 100% confidence in Pitt’s defense to stop the Navy offense. I have absolutely zero confidence in Pitt’s defense to stop the Navy offense when Paul Rhoads is coming up with the scheme.

I’ve seen butter on a July day be more solid that this scheme Rhoads has designed. This asshat shouldn’t be coaching a peewee football team, let alone a Division I-A defense.

Hey, what was the comment the broadcast crew made earlier in the game about an on-campus stadium?

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:48 pm

After Navy intercepted the ball, both my dogs just left the room. They know,…. they know.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:48 pm

BIG TACKLE!!!!!

MCKILLOP!

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:50 pm

Scott will be an NFL guy.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:50 pm

I’ll say this…I love the fact that we’re relying on the younger kids.

What’s this? ESPN discussing hockey? :)

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:52 pm

I heard ESPN is talking Hockey. They might show some games in the near future.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:53 pm

Sick.

McCoy is just friggin’ sick, man.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:55 pm

The Navy D is even worse than Pitt. This game is too awful for national TV. Hope Pitt gets the ball last…

Comment by Kevin Yoder 10.10.07 @ 10:55 pm

McCoy - best player we’ve had since Larry?

I’ve got to say yes, easily.

Comment by Aaron 10.10.07 @ 10:56 pm

Easily the best since Fitzgerald.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 10:58 pm

Panthoor,

I’ve heard hockey will be back on ESPN as early as next season.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 10:58 pm

I’ve said this before…the best thing about McCoy is that he seems genuinely excited to be wearing this Pitt uniform.

The athletic department needs to embrace these younger kids like McCoy, Bostick, etc. the same way the Pens have done with their younger players. It can go a long way towards helping to get fans back on board with this program.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:00 pm

Awesome. The Pens lost tonight though. Not too worried about it..the season is long.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:00 pm

Our defense never crosses the blue line, NEVER

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:02 pm

Lou Holtz just called us a good defensive football team. It must be true then if a crazy old man says so.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:06 pm

I’ll be really surprised if Navy goes for the FG here.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:08 pm

Some of the defensive players are good. The defense “strategy” deployed is designed by a deranged madman who has never seen a football game…

Comment by R.D.M. 10.10.07 @ 11:09 pm

I’m surprised. When they went to break, Paul Johnson didn’t look like a guy satisfied with a field goal there.

At this point, we absolutely need a clock-killing drive here.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:11 pm

Half a yard…jeez, damn.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:14 pm

That took guts.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:15 pm

That’s the balls we need you to grow Wanny!

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:15 pm

we should have gone for it on 4th down. We won’t stop them in overtime

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:20 pm

TMG,

you are right it will likely come with the 3rd OT when you are forced to go for 2 lol…we can’t hold them for 2yds.

Geesh! it’s time for Rhoads to go already

Hell may not make it to OT

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:25 pm

if they were going to punt anyway, why did they call a TO. At the very least make Navy burn one of its TOs to stop the clock. If they don’t call a TO, they let the clock run, take a delay of game even. At least 20 more seconds goes off the clock or, again, Navy has to burn a TO. Am I missing something?

Comment by Carmen 10.10.07 @ 11:27 pm

Does anyone else think Darryl Strong is soft?

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:27 pm

that would have been pick 6

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:28 pm

:07 left in the game … He is making this kick.

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:29 pm

exhale … for now

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:29 pm

fans are being stupid…he isn’t making a 70 yard bomb

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:30 pm

UConn ‘06, anyone?

Comment by baudolino 10.10.07 @ 11:31 pm

Agreed dave

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:31 pm

Our only hope is that our kicker is better. We need one stop

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:32 pm

Pitt being first is a bad thing…if Pitt doesn’t get a TD and kick a FG then Navy will win.

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:34 pm

wanny is such a gutless wonder. throw the fuckin hail mary, let your athletes outjump theirs! even if it’s an INT, you really think navy is returning it 80 yards for the winning score?!

Comment by Scott 10.10.07 @ 11:34 pm

still playing it safe huh Wanny…don’t want to let Bostick win it for you do you?

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:37 pm

That is the third or fourth time we have thrown a pass short of the first down marker on third down

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:37 pm

Navy offsides on 4th down…Pitt gets a first down…outstanding!

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:37 pm

Offsides. Wow, another team made a stupid mistake. Karma?

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:38 pm

Great run by LSH! Good for him.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:39 pm

BOSTICK with the ugliest 1-yard sneak in the history of college football! I’ll take it.

Now it’s up to the defense…

Yikes.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:40 pm

It counts. But it was not pretty. Is he allowed to get pushed in like that?

Comment by Carmen 10.10.07 @ 11:40 pm

Now let’s stop ‘em on D. I didn’t stay up this late to get pissed ;-)

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:40 pm

If there was ever a time for Pitt to force a turnover…please.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:40 pm

I think you might be able to push but not pull.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:41 pm

bet Navy goes for 2

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:41 pm

You’ve got to be kidding me…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:41 pm

boy do we need to fire Rhoads…I mean after this game

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:42 pm

I’m begging for a turnover…hell, these DBs can’t even cover someone.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:42 pm

I bet those midshipmen doing pushups are just as pissed at Rhoads as we are ;-)

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:43 pm

It’s for moments like this that “WTF” was invented.

Comment by Brian of Brooklyn 10.10.07 @ 11:44 pm

I wish I had gone to the game so I could have gone up to the booth to shove a whole Peppi’s sub down Holtz’s throat. The guy is senile!

Comment by Carmen 10.10.07 @ 11:46 pm

How does Rhoads take a paycheck for this? Are you serious? I think I am gonna call the Pittsburgh Police and report a theft at the U of PGH. :)

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:46 pm

Navy will have to screw this up with a fumble because Pitt’s D is not doing anything in 2OT.

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:46 pm

I could go for a late night Primanti’s now.

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:47 pm

Has Pitt forced a fumble this season?

Comment by R.D.M. 10.10.07 @ 11:48 pm

you know it’s hilarious the senile Holtz is telling Pitt how to D this offense all night and yet the young Rhoads can’t adjust

Get the LB’s up if they are in splits oline formation.

Are you sh!tting me

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:48 pm

Woah!!! A play on D!!!

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:49 pm

Ok get the TD Pitt

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:49 pm

Shady right, shady left, shady right etec

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:50 pm

Boy I was afraid of a pick lol

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:50 pm

Big throw from Bostick to Pestano…huge throw.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:50 pm

Gutsy call and play by Bostick

Comment by TMGPanther 10.10.07 @ 11:50 pm

They are going to pull this out!!!

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:51 pm

What a throw!

Comment by Carmen 10.10.07 @ 11:51 pm

Please…please…

Wow, that’s a crappy spot.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:51 pm

F this. Go for it.

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:52 pm

Wow. We screwed the pooch on that one.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:52 pm

ROLL THE DICE.

Comment by Aaron 10.10.07 @ 11:53 pm

I say lets go for it. We win or we lose but we show our players that we trust you.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:53 pm

The season is shot anyway, give to McCoy and see what happens…

Comment by R.D.M. 10.10.07 @ 11:54 pm

Time for Wildcat here?

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:55 pm

you know Holtz makes a good point…if this is 4 down territory don’t throw on 3rd down. You won’t stop Pitt twice with Shady with 2 yards to go

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:55 pm

F it…at this point, I’m riding McCoy. If they don’t get it, they don’t get it. The season’s been a lost cause to the point anyway. Bounce it outside a little.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:55 pm

That was a shit call

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:55 pm

What a stupid offensive call… to the short side of the field?

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:55 pm

What the fuck was that?

Fire Rhoads.

Fire Cavanaugh.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:56 pm

HOW DO YOU NOT RUN THE GOD DAMN BALL?

Comment by Aaron 10.10.07 @ 11:56 pm

You do need to fire him now…there is no more excuses

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:56 pm

wow are you kidding me. how do you not give it to the best player on the field!!??

Comment by tray 10.10.07 @ 11:57 pm

Well, someone had to fill the void left by Temple in the Big East.

Comment by Jeremy 10.10.07 @ 11:57 pm

OK, that is it. I’m on the fire Wandstat bandwagon. What kind of crap is that throwing on third and fourth down at inside the two against a team that can’t stop the run? Insanity! Give McCoy two cracks and I garantee they win. He’s a bigger idiot that Rhoads. Losers!

Comment by Kevin Yoder 10.10.07 @ 11:58 pm

I’m glad the ESPN guys are questioning the play calls. We can bitch all we want here in relative anonymity, but when the national media calls them to the carpet somebody has to be listening.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 10.10.07 @ 11:58 pm

He is single-handedly killing this program. It has to end now. I don’t mind going for it, but that was the best call you had in your playbook

Comment by DaveD 10.10.07 @ 11:58 pm

I feel terrible for these kids. To have to deal with absolute incompetence by the coaches like this. Absolutely terrible.

And I don’t blame Bostick…the throw could’ve been better. But I don’t blame Bostick.

Terrible. Just terrible.

Time to re-evaluate this entire coaching staff, and Wannstedt as well for not overruling Cavanaugh if that was Cav’s call on that last play.

Comment by Stoosh 10.10.07 @ 11:58 pm

STUPID JUST PLAIN STUPID!
I AM TIRE OF THIS SHIT!

Comment by flpole 10.10.07 @ 11:58 pm

Why would you not run some type of option or any running play period. If you’re going to throw then throw to Turner. Of course we should not blame Bostick for that, he played very well today.

Comment by Panthoor 10.10.07 @ 11:59 pm

A fade to Strong??!!!! A motherfucking fade to Strong??!! Shady doesn’t touch the ball either of the last two plays??!! Worst head coach ever. Walt Harris is the all-time genius of college football compared to Wanny. This is embarrassing.

Comment by Carmen 10.10.07 @ 11:59 pm

Chas…you still there? Someone check his pulse (and his furniture).

Comment by baudolino 10.11.07 @ 12:01 am

Hope the Panthers don’t have to suffer as long as we did. Wanny is the worst.

Comment by Bears Fan 10.11.07 @ 12:01 am

I just tossed my diploma out the window, but quickly ran out to retrieve it. I don’t want anyone to know that I went to Pitt.

Comment by Jeremy 10.11.07 @ 12:02 am

Can’t wait to hear Wanny’s pearls of wisdom after another horrific bed-shitting on national TV.

Comment by Gaunilo of Esplen 10.11.07 @ 12:02 am

Note to the coaching staff:

Somebody send me a letter when we’re done acting like a 2-9 team. If we are a 2-9 team, so be it. But, at least make me feel like you’re giving it a shot to win. Right now, it’s just not there mentally.

Honestly, I don’t f’n care.

I’m done with this team this year.

All you’ve got left is apathy from even your alumni now, which is the rock bottom, worst thing in college football.

Comment by Aaron 10.11.07 @ 12:03 am

UUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!! Fire Wanstadt NOW! He’s as dumb as a bag of rocks. I admire his guts on the fourth down calls tonight but what good are they if you call total BS plays? He took McCoy out of the game at the goal line for some lame brain pass plays? I can’t believe I stayed up for that… Somebody please take the program from these Keystone Kops…

Comment by R.D.M. 10.11.07 @ 12:03 am

It’s a sad day when Lou Holtz talks sense.

Comment by Cris 10.11.07 @ 12:04 am

I think there will be huge changes guys…the boosters are not going to tolerate this anymore. There is a good chance at 2-10

Comment by DaveD 10.11.07 @ 12:04 am

That call earlier in the game where it was 4th and goal and we went for the field goal instead might be the nail on the box. Our freshmen QB and RB played very good, our coaches smell bad.

Comment by Panthoor 10.11.07 @ 12:05 am

Nothing gets done until they hire a new AD. Get rid of the current staff and start by bringing in the script Pitt.

Comment by Jeremy 10.11.07 @ 12:06 am

Goddamn, that has to be the worst call ever on 4th down with the game on the line.

Why in the HELL don’t they just POUND THE SHIT out of it again?

That was unbelievably insane! This dude is just plain loco. He reminds me a lot of Ron Zook, including looks and mannerisms, except even worse. If that is possible.

Comment by Ryan Ferguson 10.11.07 @ 12:06 am

Could we have, just once, gave Navy a different look on defense. It was the same base formation every effin’ time. No run blitzes, the linebackers starting 4-5 yards off the line, and Navy dictating every play. Is George Bush running our defense? Christ!

Comment by Crackbaldo 10.11.07 @ 12:08 am

That will be it for me this season.

Comment by Jeremy 10.11.07 @ 12:08 am

Except Zook is 5-1 with a win over a top ten team.

Comment by Gaunilo of Esplen 10.11.07 @ 12:08 am

Well… you’re right, Guanilo. Bit of a fraudulent Top 10 team, but he does have that. Being a good recruiter in the Big 10 goes a hell of a lot further than being a good recruiter in the SEC.

Comment by Ryan Ferguson 10.11.07 @ 12:10 am

what the FUCK is wanny thinkin…..He’s a real fuck up!….A fade! on 4th and goal with the game and the whole fuckin program on the line, and he calls a fade route?….Run wanny the fuck out of town!!!!!

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:10 am

Anyone have big boosters they know? Maybe you can find out if there is any rumblings going on calling for shitheads firing.

Comment by DaveD 10.11.07 @ 12:11 am

I think we’re looking at 2-10 this year. Who would have thought the program could get this bad this quick.

Comment by Kevin Yoder 10.11.07 @ 12:12 am

Ryan,

we could be 5-1 right now with wins against similar questionable teams. Who have we played besides Va.

I would take that any day of the year now….

Not getting on you but we are the hugest embarrasment in college football

Comment by DaveD 10.11.07 @ 12:13 am

I’ve been dealing with this shit for too long, but I can’t take it no more….If Cav called that play, then Wanny should have over rode it!…this loss is on him!

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:14 am

navy put up 38 points on us before it went to overtime… they could only manage 31 points against ball st!!!!

Comment by jack 10.11.07 @ 12:17 am

What recruit out there would wanna be coached by this loser…..I say bring in Mark May or Bob Davie to coach next year….Hell bring in Dorsett…..Wanny has to go NOW!!!!

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:17 am

Let’s nip this in the bud. I don’t want to hear about “next year”, “Gotta give him 4 years”, yadayadayada etc. Wanny is a dipshit,nice guy but a stone cold dipshit. The players and university at least deserve competence.

Comment by Gaunilo of Esplen 10.11.07 @ 12:20 am

I’m still watching espn and even Scott Stuart is questioning the play call when weve been running the ball well all night…..This fuckin program has no future under wanny!

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:21 am

Crackbaldo, you said it man. Same formation on EVERY defensive play the entire night. No attack at all. Sit back and wait for the ball to come to you. No attempt to be aggressive. No shifting before the snap to cause confusion, no different looks. Just the same damn formation every play and wait for the ball. I feel sorry that these defensive players are being coached by this sorry bunch…

Comment by Kevin Yoder 10.11.07 @ 12:21 am

DaveD: I understand.

I think at the end of the day, Wannstedt just brings losing to everywhere he goes. Not much more to it than that.

Comment by Ryan Ferguson 10.11.07 @ 12:22 am

332 rushing yards for navy! holy crap! hire holtz for DC!

Comment by jack 10.11.07 @ 12:22 am

Hey can we promote Wanny? Is there a role that we can promote him to and yet save this team. He is a great recruiter, but we need to get him off the field.

Would AD be a role he is better suited for? I think he can grease palms and not damage the team.

Comment by DaveD 10.11.07 @ 12:23 am

jack they only put 30 on Temple!

Comment by tray 10.11.07 @ 12:24 am

Sorry guys I don’t really want to promote him. I just don’t know how we get him out of there and not lose some of these guys that have talent.

I see promise with the players. The coach they have will not let them acheive greatness.

I am just so frustrated I don’t want to see another year of this.

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 10.11.07 @ 12:25 am

only 30 on temple??? aww man i wish you didnt tell me that :(

Comment by jack 10.11.07 @ 12:25 am

The story Matt in Orlando linked earlier, about Paterno being a nutcase behind the wheel of a car, I see that was just posted to the P-G website. That made me feel a little better, even if the narrative was being spun there by JoePatti.

Comment by Brian of Brooklyn 10.11.07 @ 12:26 am

Our corners on defense gave up too many big plays including Navy’s first TD in OT…..Fuckin Phillips #10 couldn’t defend a pass all night….The shit that Wanny’s putting us through this season, I expect nothing less than a BCS Bowl next year.

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:28 am

Monday’s presser:

Wanny: We held them under their per game rushing average. Coach Rhoads deserves the credit for that.

Comment by Gaunilo of Esplen 10.11.07 @ 12:29 am

30 on Temple? Dude, they lost to (Left) Ball State University!

Comment by baudolino 10.11.07 @ 12:30 am

Well played game by both teams. I thought Pitt showed balls by going for it on all those third downs. Us Navy fans are not even sure why you don’t run on 4th and goal from the two…

Good luck the west of the way, Lou Holtz (amazingly) wasn’t just blowing shit when he said Bostick and McCoy have real futures.

Comment by Adam 10.11.07 @ 12:34 am

You guys aren’t sure? YOU SHOULD SEE US!!!

Comment by baudolino 10.11.07 @ 12:35 am

Disillusioned in Portland….10 days to prepare…comments of “at Miami and Oklahoma, we defended it”….and still poorly coached on defense…no attack, just re-act, 4-5 yards down the field…offensively, go with your stud..two chances from the two, against an undersized defense, and we lost…as much as i give Navy credit, PITT coaches lost this game…and because it’s only 9:36 on the left coast, I have more time to stew about this one…..-al-

Comment by Oregon al 10.11.07 @ 12:37 am

I like going for it on 4th down. I think DW feels like he’s got nothing to lose by letting the game come down to this play. The defense isn’t going to stop them again. We’re not going to win 4 games (never mind 6) we might as well take chances to get a win.

I would have preferred McCoy get the ball on one of the last two plays. Overall the offense played very well. Yes, the OL still needs a lot of work but our two freshmen (McCoy and Bostic) played great. If we knew going into the game that we would score 45 points, I’m sure we would have thought it would be a Pitt win.

As for the defense…
TERRIBLE!! The announcers on both the TV and the radio commented that the defense needed to attack. Mark May pointed out that the splits of the Navy OL were tipping the plays. He and Holtz repeatedly stated that the LB’s needed to fill those gaps aggressively. I saw no adjustments during the game. Others have mentioned the defense continually lined up in the same formation. Very disappointing.

At this point we’re staring at a 2 or 3 win season. Certainly heads will roll. The offense played well tonight, but we’ll hold judgment until after we play a defense ranked higher than 111. My guess is tat Cavanaugh’s job is safe as long as the offense continues to show improvement. Let’s face it, we’re counting on true freshman to run the show. If I had money to bet, I’d say Paul Dunn will get the ax on the offense. The defense is another story. they seem to come up with ways to disappoint me on a weekly basis. No adjustments when there seem to be easy solutions. Paul Rhodes will definitely be the one thown to the wolves. Look for either DW to take over as defensive coordinator (a la Shiano) or Chris Ball move up from DB coach.

I said it earlier, the expectations from 2007 have been moved back to 2008. Will have a young but talented OL, new OL coach and new DC. Expect the team to start building toward 2009. Yep, we’re looking forward to 2009 already. What we are looking for now is some signs of improvement. Particularly in the play of the offense as McCoy and Bostic grow up. The defense will continue to be soft.

Comment by ME2001 10.11.07 @ 12:37 am

They should put Wanny at AD, and , go after Bear Mangino, coach of Kansas, a New Castle native, , he was O-Line coach at New Castle under the legendary Lindy Lauro, played for him 83-85 , would be perfect fit. He was off coordinator for national champ team at Oklahoma I think too, been coaching high level for years now. Guarantee he would have run McCoy!!!

Comment by Sputch 10.11.07 @ 12:39 am

Fuck this I’m in Boston and it’s late….I’m going to bed, and whats even worse is that I can’t watch this steelers this week to ease the PAIN!…..GOODNIGHT!….LET’S GO PITT!!!!!!!!!

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:45 am

Here it is in a nutshell…

Pitt runs the ball on 3rd and 4th down with 2 to go.

You use your strength (OL size) vs their weakness (undersized line) and let the best man win.

If Navy holds twice you tip your cap to them.

But instead you ask a freshman QB who is improving but is still getting his sea legs (not to mention being in the toughest position to throw in the redzone). You completely go against your strength vs their weakness and try to get cute on tendencies.

Need I say anymore?

Comment by DaveD 10.11.07 @ 12:47 am

I hear ya DaveD….Wanny’s a fuckin Asshole!!!!

Comment by jumpingjohnnie_class82 10.11.07 @ 12:51 am

i’d stop going to the games if it weren’t for mccoy. i’ve been here four years now and the defense has been shitty every single year. oh, and to the champion/great defender of our defense in the student section. fuck you, you’re a loser and this defense is a joke

Comment by christopher 10.11.07 @ 12:53 am

No. No no no a thousand times motherfucking no. I do not want to see Wanny at AD. If a person sucks at one job you don’t promote him just to be rid of him. Because we wouldn’t really be rid of him, would we? Do you want ALL of our teams to suck shit? My God, the Big East probably would run us out of the conference and invite Temple back in.

I don’t want him at AD. I don’t want him as coach. I don’t want him as a fucking RA at this point. Can’t one of the networks hire him away? Hey ESPN - want to replace Lou Holtz as an analyst? We got your guy!

Isn’t this the guy who promised to be the second coming of Johnny Majors? It sure is looking a lot like Johnny Majors’ second coming, isn’t it?

Comment by Brian of Brooklyn 10.11.07 @ 12:53 am

wannstedt: “pat, we need 28″
pat and shady: “here’s 45″
wannsetedt: “…. i know what i’m doing, i’m building a program”

! unreal

Comment by christopher 10.11.07 @ 12:56 am

Fire Dave Wanstaedt…
Fire Paul Rhoads…
Fire Matt Cavanaugh…
Fire Paul Dunn…
Fire the waterboy…
Fire the guy holding the clipboard…
Fire anybody and everybody associated with this team and do it tomorrow..

Hold a press conference and just say it…”the University of Pittsburgh after much thought and consideration has decided to move in a new direction in regards to our football program. Effective immediately Dave W. and his entire staff has been released.” Fire them all, I have had enough, I’m not wasting my money and time with these idiots leading this team. The player deserve more, the school deserves more, and dammit I deserve more!

Comment by Marco 10.11.07 @ 1:08 am

Wannstedt is much like Norv Turner. Not a leader of men. Every time the administration tries to “turn back the clock” to the glory days, it fails miserably. Time to bring in an outside perspective with no Pittsburgh ties. And as for Wannstedt’s great recruiting…One or two players do not make a recruiting class. The defense is an embarassment and the lack of depth on the entire team is astonishing. Wannstedt has taken a five straight bowl appearance program and turned back the clock to 1995. They are a reflection of the coaching staff - a 2 win team.

Comment by Michael Bache 10.11.07 @ 1:18 am

wow. I just…wow…who throws a 50/50 pass from the 2 in 2OT? On a positive note, great outings for Shady and Bostick. These guys are definitely tough players.. succeeding with a mediocre (at best) O-line. I’m glad I graduated…because if Cavanaugh and Rhodes have their jobs next year, i would have transferred. I don’t get it. Bend but don’t break doesn’t cut it. (thumbs up to Chris and Scott McKillop) …those guys are wrecking machines… I’m just looking for positives. I just can’t deal with terrible coaching anymore. I can’t.

Comment by juniorv07 10.11.07 @ 1:23 am

I have two things to say: First, that was the dumbest play call I\’ve ever seen for two reasons. The obvious one is you hand the ball to your best player on 3rd and 4th down and die with the ball in your best players hands, not throw the most risky play you can to your TE…

Which leads to my second point…that worthless [extended REDACTED] Dumbest call ever.

Why give the ball to the kid with 165 yards?

Oh, I forgot, our secondary is absolutely worthless. They\’ve joined the level of the rest of the D - rock bottom, and beginning to dig.

[Edited by Chas Rich. Stuart, give it a rest. I try to cut some slack especially right after losses, but this isn\'t a message board that lets you trash and spew anything and everything about players.]

Comment by Stuart 10.11.07 @ 1:24 am

“We were going for the win, it was crunch time and I guess people wanted to go home or something,” Collins said. “It just didn’t go the way we wanted to go. Do I wish we could have run the ball with me or LeSean? Most definitely, but you’ve got to respect the play call and that’s our coach.”

By gambling, Wannstedt appeared to be saying to his slumping team, “We’re going to win this right now.” But the play itself - one in which Strong went to the edge of the end zone and waited for the ball inches from the out of bounds line - was risky enough no matter the circumstances.

“I can’t say much as a player. You always go with the plays they call. … There’s no use pointing fingers at anyone,” Bostick said. “We can look at the film and say we could have done many things different.”

Think Wanny has lost this team?

Comment by juniorv07 10.11.07 @ 1:47 am

Don’t know if Wanny has lost the team…but for the past two weeks, he lost the game…still frustated he had 10 days to prep for Navy…still bitter he didn’t pound the ball down their throats on third and foruth downs…

Still so very upset, that I want to hear Wanny say, “I lost this game, we had time to prepare, and I didn’t put the team in a position to dominate Navy, let alone win at the end of the game. I don’t need to watch the game tapes, I wasn’t agressive in my defensive strategy, and I gave the ballgame away when i didn’t pound the ball at their tired, outmanned defensive line. I lost this game for a group of players, who deserve better.”

-al-
Hail to PITT

Comment by Oregon al 10.11.07 @ 1:52 am

I can understand editing out profanity - but what was wrong with the content of the message? Why not edit it like this?

“Which leads to my second point…that worthless TE. In the third quarter, 3rd and 2, on the 5 yard line, Bostick hits [Strong] with the ball…and instead of turning it up, taking the hit and die trying to get the first down, [HE] RUNS OUT OF BOUNDS TO AVOID A HIT, 2 YARDS SHORT. We end up kicking a FG. Some people in life want to win, others are losers. Strong is a loser. Put either of the other TEs in there, I didn’t see them halfass anything. Then you throw it to [him] on the last play? Dumbest call ever.”

Why am I not allowed to call out a TE that has NFL aspirations? This isn’t “trash” or “spewing” - its an observation I made at the game, and confirmed it looking at the tape when I got home. Anyone can go back and look at exactly what I’m talking about.

Comment by Stuart 10.11.07 @ 2:57 am

Stuart,

I didn’t see the original message you posted before it was edited. But on that 3rd quarter pass you cited, Strong seemed to me to be a victim of his own momentum more than anything else. Bostick kind of floated the ball out to Strong. And with Strong running a route that was taking him almost perpendicular to the sideline, it looked to me like he had too much momentum going across the field and that’s what prevented him from making a hard turn up the field. When he caught the ball, I don’t think he had a hell of a lot of “vertical” room to work with relative to the sideline.

I don’t know…I only saw the play during the game and I didn’t tape the game.

As far as calling out the players, maybe there are games where it’s called for but I don’t think this was one of them. Just my opinion, but those kids were playing their asses off last night - every one of them. They lost because of the ineptitude of the coaching staff. Strong never should’ve been put in a position to make that catch not because of his talent level, but because the play never should’ve been called in the first place - I don’t care if they would’ve had Jerry Rice, Steve Largent and Larry Fitzgerald down in that corner. Not on fourth-and-goal from the two when they had a running game that was effective so much more often than not.

Comment by Stoosh 10.11.07 @ 8:45 am

Stuart,
I’m not going to be an editor of comments. I don’t have time or inclination to do so. I’m not going to go clean things up so you can make your point. I’m just going to get rid of the offending area.

You weren’t just cursing and saying he wasn’t a good player. You were crossing beyond to the personal as to the person himself based on his on-the-field performance. That’s where I draw the line.

Comment by Chas 10.11.07 @ 9:25 am

I have not commented on the recent games, because I want to be optimistic in my responses. Alas the day has come where I cannot be optimistic. The writing is on the wall. Wanny is a great recruiter but a terrible coach.

I will not get down on the players because I know in my heart that for the most part they give it their all. But you can give your all, but that is negated by bad leadership/management. Such is the case with my beloved Panthers.

The frustration/despair I feel inside this morning has nothing to do with the players, but everything to do with coaching. I give in to any hopes of Wannstadt leading Pitt to the Promised Land.

There is a reason he was fired in his two stints as an NFL head coach, he is a bad head coach. Some coaches are meant to be HCs; Wanny is not one of them.

Any HC with any sense knows you play not to lose at home, and play to win on the road. It is as elementary as hot is to cold. It is clearly evident that Wanny is deficient in the abstract thinking needed to be a HC.

Wanny is steadfast in his belief that his system is right, and that if the players execute it success will follow.

He fails to see the urgency of it all. Yes, proper execution of the system in a theoretical sense means success. But just as in life, belief in a theoretical proposition does not constitute success from said proposition.

There needs to be a balance in coaching, a balance of concrete, and abstract. While it is not bad to approach coaching from the concrete presupposition of one’s stated philosophy, it becomes fatal in the face of continued adversity when one fails to bring in abstract coaching philosophy.

Holtz was right when he stated that you need to attack an option offense, and that Pitt had the bulk up front to do so. Instead there was not initiative for Wanny to do so because once again he failed to think in the abstract, but rather clung to his concrete proposition that if the players executed his system the team would win.

It is the job of the HC to give the players the best chance they can to win. Can we honestly say that Wanny has? The answer to this rhetorical question is no. We as fans are in a no win situation. If Wanny stays most likely there will be no elevation of the program, if he goes what of the recruits who have come?

I could go on and on, but I think it best for me to look in the direction of the BB team.

Comment by Kenny 10.11.07 @ 10:02 am