February 24, 2007

Pitt-Georgetown: Open Thread

Filed under: Basketball,liveblog — Chas @ 1:44 pm

Barring OT in the OK St-Texas Tech game, it looks like the Pitt-G-town game will start on time and without any delay of TV coverage. Of course, with the Cowboys, there is no guarantee of that.

2:07: Tip-off and Kendall was the center. They are saying Gray might still play.

2:14: 6-5 Pitt. Problem is I think Graves just picked up his 2nd foul.
Pitt has gotten Georgetown being a bit sloppy. Forcing turnovers and getting Hibbert playing further from the basket.
Cook has 4 points.

Hibbert has 1 foul.

2:22: Gray in the game. A little slower (hard to imagine), but able to run and play. Pitt leads 11-7, 11:50.

2:33: Pitt struggling horribly to get a basket at this point. Hell, just struggling to score. Now down 16-11. It’s been at least 6 minutes since their last FG. Some missed looks, blocks, and good defense has frustrated the offense. It’s not G-town has looked that good. They are just able to convert a few more now, and not turning the ball over as frequently.

2:43: 3:56 to the half, Pitt trails 20-19. Ewing, Jr. is a pest in the best possible way — if he’s on your team.

Gray looks decent. The size of Georgetown is more of a problem for Pitt as they try to get guys driving to the hoop. The only good thing, they are drawing fouls against the Hoyas.

3:06: Sorry, my network crashed for a bit. Interesting to look at who’s missing in the box score.

Young 2-6, 5 points, 2 rebounds

Fields 0-2, 4 assists, 1 TO

Graves 0-2, 1 assist and 1 TO

Kendall 0-1, 1 rebound

Gray 3-5, 7 points, 4 rebounds

Cook 2-5, 4 points, 1 assist, 1 steal and 3 TOs

3:18: Just the way they drew that up with Fields airballing a 3 that Cook read grabbed and put back. 33-33

3:30: Pitt leads 44-36. 11:49 remaining. An 18-3 run. Wow.

Seeing something from everyone right now.

3:51: I hate typing it, as it sounds like whining, but these refs suck.

It’s 49 all with under 5 minutes left. Both Pitt and Georgetown have played great on defense.

4:20: Pitt lost this game. I’m disappointed, but not upset. 61-53.
Gray looks like he’ll be playing the rest of the season. Even before the Gray injury, this was going to be a tough game for Pitt to win.

Both teams played great defense, Yes the Hoyas shot close to 50%, but they only had 36 attempts. Pitt’s defense severely limited their possessions. That was huge when you are talking about the most efficient offense in the country. You don’t expect to hold them to under 40% as much as limit their opportunities.

Do I think Pitt could have shot better than they did? Hell yes. Once again, the Pitt guards struggled with their shooting — all of them. Ramon was the most “accurate” at 3-9. Benjamin missed all 3 of his shots. Graves was 1-5. Fields, 2-8. Some shots were just bad luck — halfway down before coming out. Others were some missed open looks. But the majority of them came in the teeth of some great defense.

I think at times it is easy to forget how much it matters how the other team plays. Simply, Georgetown did play great defense against Pitt. Staying out on the guards to keep them on the perimeter and really battling inside.

Pitt worked hard in this game. They out rebounded the Hoyas and got more chances to shoot.

I’m still bothered by the refereeing. Not for the foul disparity. 29-16 in difference of attempts is not nearly so bad since Pitt missed several front ends of 1-and-1s to skew it a little higher. And, when you’re on the road, you should never expect the foul calls to go your way. What bothered me was the sheer randomness of the calls.

That said, Pitt was 8-16 on FTs (Gray and Young 3-10) while the Hoyas shot 22-29, to really win it at the line.

here we go! GO PITT!

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 2:06 pm

Sam Young with the nice dunk.

Comment by Dennis 02.24.07 @ 2:11 pm

fearless! I love it

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 2:11 pm

Pitt-Georgetown: Open Thread…

Trackback by University Update 02.24.07 @ 2:21 pm

Pitt is shooting 25%, 20% from 3pt range

Comment by TMGPanther 02.24.07 @ 2:35 pm

This is unbelievable. Georgetown is playing badly and Pitt, always up to the challenge, has found a way to play below their level shooting about 25% from the field.

Man I love Pitt, but this is the exact reason why it’s hard to imagine them winning a national championship. Even when other teams are playing poorly, Pitt find a way to play even worse.

They’ve gotten Georgetown to commit a bunch of early turnovers and have even grabbed a good number of offensive rebounds, but their shooting has been abysmal.

This is disgusting…no field goals in the past four minutes.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 2:36 pm

Whats worse, the maniacal refereeing, or the missed shots?

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 2:36 pm

Wow, I know Aaron is normally slow in general, but that last guy walked right around him…talk about a statue…

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 2:37 pm

Missed shots (in my opinion)…although the referees have jobbed Pitt on at least two jump shots.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 2:38 pm

Gray looks okay offensively, but stuck in mud defensively. All things considered, I think he’s doing a decent job and I’m surprised he’s playing so much.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 2:39 pm

personally, i think the first 8 minutes of the game is the best ball we’ve played in a month….young looks great out there…we’re in the game, all things considering its been a good half so far……

Comment by schoe 02.24.07 @ 2:44 pm

Although we got jobbed on the Benjamin layup and Ramon tackle, the one that really eats my ass is gray getting shoved from behind, and 1 sec later getting called for a fould trying to get back in position from that shove. Its one thing to screw a call, but then to compound it with a worse one…

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 2:45 pm

Best first half you can ask for on the road. Cook needs to stop traveling and our guards need to draw more fouls. Gray played well for a man who only has one ankle. Down by 3 right now is a gift.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 2:53 pm

Cook stops traveling and the shots start falling and we win this game.

Comment by Carmen 02.24.07 @ 2:55 pm

Pitthoops is right – if only we could get the refs to let us use Gray on offense and Kendall on defense….how is it that we’ve had two 3-point shots where the guys got tackled after the shot with no foul?

Georgetown’s defense looks intimidating and is playing well. We’re doing pretty darn good considering everything.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 2:55 pm

Ramon, Fields and Young can’t come out of the game.

Gray is playing well, all things considered, but given his lack of movement I’d rather see him resting for the BE tourney or NCAAs.

Comment by J-Maile 02.24.07 @ 2:57 pm

decent half…….gtown is going to be a very tough out in the tourney……

Comment by schoe 02.24.07 @ 2:58 pm

Good luck with “guards drawing fouls.” There are no fouls called for us unless they are on the floor. As soon as we drive or shoot, all bets are off. This refereeing drives me insane – get some fukcing consistency.

Yes cook needs to learn that will be a travel this game.

This game should be even the way we’re winning the offensive boards (9-4) and turnovers. Only the refereeing is keeping them in it (have all but 1 of the calls been “on the floor” against them?) and our shooting (which still sucks).

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 3:02 pm

Where has Graves been? He was playing so well early in the season. He needs to step up and hit a few shots.

Comment by kp 02.24.07 @ 3:03 pm

Graves needs a girlfriend or something. He needs some motivation right now.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 3:07 pm

I take back everything i said above. we’re losing because we can’t MAKE AN OPEN SHOT. Period.

This is embarassing.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 3:14 pm

We are really playing terrible (despite being down only 2). Got to find a way to shoot the ball (especially the 3-pointer) better. The good shooting is what separates this team apart from other Pitt teams in the past, in my opinion. When we don’t have that, we’re just another top 15-20 ranked team.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 3:19 pm

FINALLY – a call on a jump shot/3 point shot!

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 3:19 pm

Just when Pitt is turning it around, I’m forced to utter those magic words during a Pitt game…GEEZ LEVON

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 3:25 pm

Amazing run right now. We need to bury them right now.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 3:29 pm

One more post then I’m done for now…this refereeing is horrific. Ramon got killed and no foul was called, then the refs missed another one at the other end with Kendall drawing the charge, when he wasn’t set in my opinion.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 3:29 pm

Okay, I lied….get Kendall out of there. How many times over the course of a season does he get caught fouling and only putting his hands up in defense.

As my middle school coach would say, either foul the kid like you mean it or don’t foul at all. There’s no sense giving up and-1 plays.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 3:31 pm

Panthoor — this is not the kind of game where either team will be able to bury the other. You can only build a lead and hope to withstand the other’s run. Both teams are having them.

This is a game between two teams that really play it tight.

Comment by Chas 02.24.07 @ 3:32 pm

If G’town turns over the ball it would give us freedom to hit the 3 more….I would do it and finish them.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 3:37 pm

I seem to find myself saying this every game… Why is Biggs in there?

Comment by J-Maile 02.24.07 @ 3:44 pm

Also applicable to Benjamin. How many balls has Sammy kept alive off the offensive glass?!?

Comment by J-Maile 02.24.07 @ 3:44 pm

That’s why you finish off a team when you can.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 3:48 pm

Poor shooting continues. Still. And the refereeing, good thing they gave them twice as many freethrow attempts. Terrible.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 3:52 pm

Antonio Graves gives up that fast break late every game.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 3:56 pm


Thanks guys. Dare i say it? Same old pitt.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 3:56 pm

Poor shooting, too many fouls, and turnovers…can you EVER win that way? Unbelievable.

Comment by PittHoops 02.24.07 @ 3:57 pm

I don’t blame the calls as much as the fact that we had a nice lead and we should have taken it to the other team.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 3:58 pm

Panthoor – I think at the biggest lead, Kendall picked up his 4th foul and came out. Gray came in, and he just wasn’t there today on defense. That changed the momentum dramatically.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 4:02 pm

I’m usually not one to be a naysayer, but this game was more than I can take.

I don’t care who we were playing, who was injured, and where it was at, it was a winnable game that we let get away down the stretch plain and simple.

We STILL haven’t won a big game, and today’s non-clutch, completely ball-less effort doesn’t make me feel any better about it.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my dad 02.24.07 @ 4:03 pm

I don’t know if any of you guys noticed this, but Georgetown is one of the best teams in the country. It’s not a forgone conclusion that we should beat them on their home court… especially with Gray limited.

Comment by J-Maile 02.24.07 @ 4:07 pm

Good effort against a hot team at their court. Tied with 3 minutes left. With a healthy Gray, I think we win – we just had matchup problems with him limited.

Now we just have to win the next 2.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 4:08 pm

Kevin I think you’re right, but that doesn’t affect the guards and Young who were hot at the time when we had the 8 point lead. All in all this loss hurts and we’re no longer on top but Gray should be better for WVU.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 4:08 pm

good game…im impressed at how well we played except at the end…..cant wait to face them again in the tourney

Comment by schoe 02.24.07 @ 4:12 pm

The line had GT as 8 point favorites!! Pitt shot poorly again, FG and FT, and several trunovers at the end killed us. Otherwise we were right there to snatch this one.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.24.07 @ 4:12 pm

One more big game Jamie choke.

Comment by floyal 02.24.07 @ 4:14 pm

Those hot-dogging, one-handed, lob passes are killing us. I wathched North Carolina play BC and was amazed at how often the guards pass and catch with two hands. I swear half of the Pitt team does not know they have two hands.

Comment by HbgFrank 02.24.07 @ 4:17 pm

“Amazing run right now. We need to bury them right now.”

When have they ever burried a team this year and don’t tell me about tearing up an FSU team that was playing horrible at the time.

Comment by Kenny 02.24.07 @ 4:17 pm

Well, we would have won if we did right? And when you bury a team, it doesn’t mean a 20 point means lowering their morale and making them play desperate…sort of how Louisville beat us..they buried us.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 4:21 pm

“I don’t care who we were playing, who was injured, and where it was at, it was a winnable game that we let get away down the stretch plain and simple.

We STILL haven’t won a big game, and today’s non-clutch, completely ball-less effort doesn’t make me feel any better about it.”

It truly was winnable down the stretch but once again they could not do it. Untimely TOs, sloppy passes, bad judgment, and the list goes on.

The only big game we have won was the first GU game, and that was at home. The play in this game and other close losses does not bode well for the tourney, where every team will bring their “A” games.

Comment by Kenny 02.24.07 @ 4:23 pm

“Well, we would have won if we did right? And when you bury a team, it doesn’t mean a 20 point means lowering their morale and making them play desperate…sort of how Louisville beat us..they buried us. ”

The freakin point is they did not in this game and did not in almost all of their games. Translation: they can’t freakin do it.

Comment by Kenny 02.24.07 @ 4:25 pm

It comes down to this: We are the worst shooting team i’ve ever seen at pitt over the last 4 or 5 games. 30%?!? We’re terrible. I don’t care how great we shot earlier – too bad the tournament is at the END OF THE SEASON. Every other team in the country has gotten better, and we’ve gotten worse – much, much worse.

We miss every wide open shot, and gray and kendall couldn’t tip in a shot to saver their lives.

If we beat WVU it will be a miracle. And we have no shot against Marquette. 4th seed for BE. I say we will have to play the winner of Notre Dame/Marquette vs St Johns in the tourney, another loss, and Georgetown again in the semis. We’ll end about 24-9. 4 or 5 seed in NCAA. Out in first or second round again.

Right now, i’m just hoping we win another game the rest of the year.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 4:26 pm

1/16 versus UCONN .. we took them out of the game and they fell into a hole(buried).
2/7 versus WVU .. we took advantage that they fell behind and even a small run could not help them.(again, they were 6 feet under with a lot of time to go)
In the FSU game, the Seminoles never had a chance..they were dead men walking by the middle of the first half.

Comment by Panthoor 02.24.07 @ 4:26 pm

(we’ll play georgetown in the semis if we upset the first game i mean – and then the tournament will be over for us)

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 4:28 pm

UCON sucks and WVU was stone cold from 3. WVU hit their 3s and beat UCLA.

Comment by Kenny 02.24.07 @ 4:29 pm

Floyal, Just how did Jamie choke?

kenny, This is the Big East, teams seldom get “buried” by anyone let alone a ball possession team like Pitt against the nbest team in the conference. I was hoping we opened up a 20pt lead as well, but it isn’t realistic to think we could “bury” GT.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.24.07 @ 4:30 pm

The stat Dixon just mentioned on the radio that makes a lot of sense – we took 16 free throws (made 8). Georgetown took 22 – that’s 6 more than we even took. Not having Gray on defense is what led to them driving the lane and us giving them fouls. I also admit that we shot badly, but a number of shots were 3/4 of the way in but bounced out. We got “buried” at then end – the minute Antonio Graves hit them for a fast break the other way.

Good point about Kendall not fouling hard enough. Make then earn 2, not an and-one.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 4:33 pm

For guys who have “been there” they sure play like freshman at the end of games. We let terrible teams back in and have no chance against good teams like GU, marquette, louisville (got better over the year – imagine a team does that!), etc. The only game we have a chance at winning the rest of the year is WVU. I think we are about the 15th or 16th best team in the nation. And getting worse as the year goes on.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 4:34 pm

Thats the best excuse Dixon can come up with? He’s missing the boat – his team can’t shoot, and he gives them the green light. Like i said, this will continue the rest of the year as we fade into mediocrity if he doesn’t wake up and realize they need to pound the ball on EVERY POSESSION. I don’t care how open our bad shooters are – we’ll never win another game. Wake up.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 4:37 pm

Stuart, I agree that the most dissapointing aspect of the game today were the key turnovers at the end of the game. We really gave away any chance of pulling out a victory.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.24.07 @ 4:38 pm

Sorry for the typo – Georgetown MADE 22, not took 22. They MADE 6 more than we took.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 4:38 pm

The point I am trying to state is that this team, while being a good team, is not a great team like many people think. Their penchant for TOs, sloppy passing, & mental lapses does not bode well for either the BE tourney nor the NCAAs.

Both Gray & Kendall are slow inside. Gray is the only true inside threat, Cook is TO machine, we have only one capeable PG, PF is a weak link, SF (see Cook), overall consistency of play deficiency…. The list goes on and on.

Just be happy that they have done as good as they have. But the BE is truly not good this year. It is a down year for the conference and the preseason pick to win it, will not win it.

Comment by Kenny 02.24.07 @ 4:50 pm

Last five games, three point shooting: 23 for 85, which is 27%, which would put us at 15th in the big east in shooting 3’s. We’re 89-191 from inside the line, which is 46%. STOP SHOOTING THREES. Pound the ball. No one on this team is “shooting their way out of the slump” they’re “digging a deeper hole.”

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 4:56 pm

Good point Stuart. You can also add we will get more FTs if we push it inside.

Comment by TMGPanther 02.24.07 @ 5:11 pm

Good points both of you. We won the Washington game because we got to the line. Georgtown won today because they did.

Comment by Kevin 02.24.07 @ 5:17 pm

Florida lost to LSU, shot 12% form 3pt range and 54% from the FT line. Lost last week to vanderbilt. Are our losses to GT and Louisville worse than losing to LSU (3-8 conf record) and vanderbilt? Does anyone think that Florida’s season is in a shambles and they won’t get past the sweet sixteen? Did Billy Donovan “Choke” again?

Comment by TMGPanther 02.24.07 @ 6:52 pm

Pitt fans suck.

Comment by Omar 02.24.07 @ 7:04 pm

Just back from the game. About 7000+ Pitt fans all in the upper deck. Where are these people in football season?

My only comment. Sat near Ramon’s family…Ramon and Fields lost this game for Pitt. Ramon had at least 7 turnovers and another 5 almost’s (most at the top of the key)GT jumped out and took away passing lanes and Pitt looked baffled late.

Fields was horrendous, trying to put on a dribbling exhibition rather than giving up the ball. GT traped him for turnovers 4 X. Very poor ballhandling late and absolutely NO penetration on GT when 3 of their players were in foul trouble. No more excuses….a poorly coached game by Dixon and poorly played by the players. The late turnovers would be aggregeous at a Jr High School Game!!

We are in big trouble if we lose to WVU and might not win another game.

Comment by Dan 72 02.24.07 @ 7:54 pm

Florida has done something in the past and has shown they are able to put together a run. Remind me when Pitt has done that in the history of its program – this team was supposed to be “different.”

And Florida will win its conference. We can’t even do that.

Pitt fans don’t suck – we put up with this every year, still buy season tickets, still go to games. I went to the first round games and watch them disgrace themselves yet again last year. And I’m sure they will again this year – its the same old team.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 7:57 pm

We lost the game BECAUSE WE CAN’T MAKE AN OPEN SHOT. Not because of their foul shooting. And the turnovers down the stretch (thanks young) sealed it.

Comment by Stuart 02.24.07 @ 7:58 pm

Couldn’t get to the free throw line and then clanked the key ones when we did. Never mind all the rest of the details. That’s really the only thing that disgusts me about this team year to year. I am actually not complaining a bit that they don’t progress all that far in the post-season, I’m more a big picture type (and I remember the awful years). But to see such horrible FT shooting year in and year out, new players and old, on such an otherwise sound team is nauseating.

Comment by geeman2001 02.24.07 @ 9:33 pm

Not to put too fine a point on it, but things are getting a little hysterical in here. Pitt is a very good team. In fact, this is one of the best teams the Panthers have had in the 20 years I’ve been watching them and they are much stronger than last year. We’re 10 and 3 in the BE and had the lead against one of the best teams in the country on their home floor deep into the 2nd half with our best player limited. This team is strong and is talented enough offensivly that a Bradley isn’t happening again.

Personally, I think these guys can shoot, it’s just a slump. Georgetown although they didn’t challenge a ton of our threes played very strong overall defense. Overall our perimiter guys are making over 38% of their threes. Cook might be the only one I see as just being a bad jump shooter. Relax.

Ramon had 7 tos? Really?

Comment by J-Maile 02.24.07 @ 9:46 pm

Were is my man OMAR. Omar is a stooly,because Sosa said so.

Comment by Buzz 02.25.07 @ 12:00 pm

“Overall our perimiter guys are making over 38% of their threes. Cook might be the only one I see as just being a bad jump shooter. Relax. ”

Is that for the year? Cause the last 5 games, we’re at 27%. 23 of 85. I’m thinking I’m more concerned how we are playing now then early non-conference teams. They have only 3 games to get out of this slump or they’ll be an early exit to a team worse than Bradley.

Comment by Stuart 02.25.07 @ 10:41 pm

That’s for the year, which includes BE games outside of the last 5 you’re focusing on. Graves and Ramon have great strokes, and Fields shot well from 3 last year. You can’t just focus on 5 games. It’s better to look at a larger sample size.

Comment by J-Maile 02.25.07 @ 10:56 pm

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