February 11, 2014

Since everyone is working from essentially the same news and reports, here’s what we have

Pitt’s most obvious opening is to replace Bobby Engram at the WR Coach spot. Yet, the first breaking news was that Pitt has made a play to bring Troy Douglas from Iowa State to be the Defensive Backs Coach.

Iowa State secondary coach Troy Douglas has been offered a spot on the Pittsburgh staff, but Douglas has not decided if he’ll take the position yet, according to a source. reported that Douglas will join the Panthers’ staff on Wednesday.

Douglas spent the last three seasons with the Cyclones. He previously worked with ISU defensive coordinator Wally Burnham at South Florida from 2006-08.

But now, Brett McMurphy of is tweeting that as of this morning it is a done deal.

Douglas coached DBs in the ACC for a couple years while at North Carolina. He appears to be a solid recruiter and a good DB coach. Considering the spot was essentially coached last year by a graduate assistant (love you Hank Poteat, but you should not have been put in that position) this looks to be a very good move.

As for the Wide Receivers Coach, the name that is getting the most play is Erik Campbell.

Campbell was somewhat surprisingly let go by Iowa after the 2012 season as their WR Coach (but not, it turns out, so HC Kirk Ferentz’s son Brian could be moved to WR Coach). Campbell seemed to have been the scapegoat coach rather than the new Offensive Coordinator Greg Davis following a disastrous offensive season. Campbell, in fact, had been one of the leading candidates to become the OC before Davis got the gig in February 2012.

Campbell doesn’t have a reputation as an ace recruiter, but he is considered a very good coach. That was why it was somewhat surprising that he ended up in the CFL as a WR coach.

Neither has any clear ties of coaching with Paul Chryst or his usual circle, so that can be seen as a positive. Obviously, Chryst saw first hand what Campbell was doing with the Iowa WRs when he was coaching at Wisconsin.

Getting Douglas would appear to be a very good move for recruiting and also because he brings more coaching experience to the side of the ball that was getting the short shrift on experienced coaches.

Both Douglas and Campbell are about the same age as Chryst which is somewhat interesting but probably just a coincidence.

Kind of frustrating that these deals leak before they are done. Campbell better be a great coach if he can not recruit. IMO, recruiting the greater need.

Hope Douglas is not using us to get a raise, sounds like he deserves a bigger job.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 9:04 am

From the last thread, don’t see Wittek coming here to be a back-up. Not sure why you would want to mess with Voytik’s confidence.

We need depth not a QB controversy.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 9:07 am

Agree 100% with gc. Glad somebody finally said it! Would love to have a guy like Wittek for depth, but I can’t imagine the guy would land somewhere where he didn’t have a very good chance to start. Voytik deserves a chance to be Pitt’s guy, and I think everybody is excited for him to have the opportunity based on his apparent leadership qualities and skill set.

Comment by 1618mt 02.11.14 @ 9:24 am

These coaches may not have a direct HCPC connection, but they both have a Big 10 connection, so there’s that.

If Douglas comes here, this will be his 10th DB coaching job in 25 years. So yeah either he’s due a promotion or maybe he’s not that great, or maybe he just likes to move around, you know, see different parts of the country.

gc, I too would be surprised if Wittek came to be a back-up, so they should tell him he’ll get a shot. As you said we sure need more depth. If Voytik goes down, wouldn’t you want someone like Wittek to turn to vs. Trey?

And there’s nothing wrong with competition. Voytik doesn’t strike me as a kid who would be rattled by that. In fact, just the opposite – he may excel.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.11.14 @ 9:27 am

FWIW, The Fan just confirmed that Douglas is indeed coming to Pitt.

Now, if Campbell joins on, it looks to be two needed hires of QUALIFIED personnel in a TIMELY manner. Boy, what a difference a year makes!

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 9:28 am

A coach should bring in as much talent as they possibly can and they should never pass up an oportunity to add depth. If Voytik’s confidence is that fragile then he isn’t a good candidate for QB.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.11.14 @ 9:30 am

“Campbell doesn’t have a reputation as an ace recruiter…”

Let’s not start the “he can’t recruit” BS! He was at Michigan for 13 years…read the list of WR he coached…do you think they all went to Michigan to play WR without this guy playing a part in their recruitment?

Braylon Edwards, David Terrell, Marquise Walker, Amani Toomer, Mercury Hayes, Tai Streets, Marcus Knight, Jason Avant, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Steve Breaston, and Ronald Bellamy.

That is an unbelievable list.

He also was an assistant head coach and coached punt returners with great success.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.11.14 @ 9:45 am

notrocketscience- nobody is suggesting Voytik’s confidence is fragile, nor is anybody suggesting competition is a bad thing. Bringing in a senior with a promise to start (which is what would essentially be happening in Wittek’s case) is short sighted. If anything, it’s more likely that the senior transfer, who never made it as a starter his first 3-4 years, might be the one in need of confidence and essentially a guarantee to start before he commits. It’s time to develop a QB for the future, whether it’s Voytik, Bertke, or another young qb they bring in.

Comment by 1618mt 02.11.14 @ 9:47 am

Not sure why you would want to mess with Voytik’s confidence.
Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 9:07 am

1618 – pretty sure gc was suggesting bringing in Wittek could impact Voytik’s confidence. That may be possible, but I don’t see it. Voytik strikes me as a very confident player.

Wittek is not a senior, he has 2 years of eligibility remaining. There is no shame in not starting at USC – QB competition there is as good as anywhere in the country. If we can add this kid we should do it – actually would be a nice little coup.

That said, there is no way Chryst is promising Wittek the starting job. We all know Chryst doesn’t make empty promises. HCPC should promise Wittek a chance to compete. If that’s not enough, Wittek can go to Hawaii.

This team needs another QB on the roster in 2014. What other alternative is there other than a graduate transfer or JC player? A walk-on? Oh wait, keep forgetting about Ronald Jones…

Comment by Iron Duke 02.11.14 @ 10:33 am

Liking what I see of both Campbell and Douglas.

Douglas coached some pretty solid DBs at South Florida. Given that and his experience at UNC, he should bring some decent recruiting ties to Florida and through other parts of the ACC footprint. A lot of the Chryst critics of late said they hope they fill some of these gaps with coaches with ties to Florida. Douglas brings that. He may not be Charlie Strong, but he doesn’t have to be. He should help in terms of pulling talent from the South.

Campbell’s track record is impressive as well, as notrocketscience pointed out. Michigan can recruit on its name alone, but kids have to make some sort of the connection with the coach so he deserves credit there. What intrigues me most about him is the work he did developing the likes of Woodson and Breaston into multi-dimensional threats (looking in Tyler Boyd’s direction).

A lot to like about these two. With Douglas already apparently in the fold, I’m really hoping they can close the deal with Campbell.

Comment by Stoosh 02.11.14 @ 10:40 am

That’s great news about the developments in the coaching search. Welcome aboard Mr. Douglas! Hopefully Mr. will be joining the Pitt staff as well. Now about Witteck, I can’t imagine him coming here unless he thinks that he will have an opportunity to compete for the starting quarterback position. I understand the dilemma Paul Chryst is in, an injury or two and the entire season could go down the toilet.

Comment by Justinian 02.11.14 @ 10:41 am

Maybe one of these coaches will be assigned the Special Team duties.

Comment by Pittastic 02.11.14 @ 11:12 am


I like Voytik. However it is all about competition
We lived with Tino for 3 years mainly
because the staff couldn’t recruit another
QB. Sign Wittieck and let the best man win!
Hate the coaching leaks. No wonder we are crazy

Comment by JR 02.11.14 @ 11:22 am

Again, nobody is against competition, and as Justin pointed out, we need another qb for depth. One thing you don’t want to do though is give the impression (call it a ‘promise’) to some transfer that the job is basically his to lose. If it’s truly an open competition, then bring it on; and more than likely, that means Voytik is gonna win & we have another backup in the event of injury.

Comment by 1618mt 02.11.14 @ 11:36 am

If you read the info on Douglas every were he has coached he has made the secondary better then it had been.
He is a great secondary coach why he moves around so much i dont know or care as long has he helps pitts secondary.

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 11:45 am

There are NO guarentees in life, so Max Wittek will have to do it the old fashioned way, EARN IT!

I understand that he is actually graduating from USC this Spring. So that means he is immediately eligible to play in the fall as well as meaning that if he decides to do graduate work at Pitt, for instance, that he still has two years of eligibility left to play.

No matter where he ends up, he will have to compete to start, why not here where he might be just a play away from seeing the field since we’re so thin at QB, even if he starts out riding the pine behind Voytik?

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.11.14 @ 11:54 am

Hey there are some nice comments by Jerry DiPaula in the trib blog about the Pitt football team’s prospective assistant coaching hires.

link to

Comment by Justinian 02.11.14 @ 12:52 pm

I hope Coach Douglas can help Lafayette develop some of his potential into becoming the lockdown DB he was supposed to be. For someone who has been touted as “NFL-potential”, his body of work has been less than impressive so far as he seems to give up receptions and big plays fairly easily. I think he does have potential to become a great DB — and he seems to already have the “Richard Sherman” attitude — hope he can become a similar type of college (and eventually Pro) DB.

Comment by Hank the Tank 02.11.14 @ 1:14 pm

My point is that there are multiple schools looking at Wittek. Wittek isn’t going to go somewhere to just be a backup.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.11.14 @ 1:30 pm

On coaches,… great additions, so much for stuff thatChryst has to stay in a comfort zone of buddies. both sound important for coaching and recruiting.
– Is Douglas the DB coach really coming only to be DB coach? lateral move? Perhaps more shake up coming on the D side of the ball?? Gotta wonder…
– WR recruits Big 10 midwest, DB coach the southeast… shows where recruiting strategy going and also based on what we have seen to date.

– I keep thinking of Henry at WVU… wow, what a mess up… now their D coordinator Leaves (what writing does he see on the wall…), and we get a real DB dude…. Too bad signing day not next week!!

Comment by Pittscript 02.11.14 @ 1:42 pm

Pittscript, good point on Henry. For all the Pitt Blatherites who seem to poke fun at Henry’s mom, it appeared that HCPC may have taken some notice.

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 2:06 pm

A later signing day may have gotten us Henry, but we probably would have lost Adonis Jennings — not worth it in my book.

His decision…you made your bed of straw in Hoopieland, now lay in it…but make sure you leave room for your sister! Oh, and make sure Mom gets a frequent flyer card for those 3-4 hour flights to away games.

Comment by Hank the Tank 02.11.14 @ 2:09 pm

Wittek is considering Lville, Pitt , Hawaii and Texas. All who has QB graduating or struggling and all who uses a pro formation … except for Texas but with a new coach, so who knows?

He definitely is looking for a place where he could fit in ASAP. (he should also look at UCF). If it weren’t for the depth issue, it wouldn’t bother me if he went elsewhere because I have faith in Chad V but ..

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 2:11 pm

Douglas is from Florida and coached for USF a few seasons as well. There’s our new Florida recruiting connection!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.11.14 @ 2:13 pm

he’s also a Jackonsville native

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 2:15 pm


Jerry DiPaola
Trib Review

“Troy Douglas, who is entering his 27th season as a college football coach, has accepted a position on the Pitt staff, sources told the Tribune-Review on Tuesday”

Bad news for the naysayers. GREAT news for Pitt Fotoball and its Head Coach.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.11.14 @ 2:39 pm

One down. Syracuse to go.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.11.14 @ 2:39 pm

And by the way… congrats to DiPaola for doing what Beat Reporters do.

Comment by PittofDreams 02.11.14 @ 2:40 pm

Max wittek wont come here he wants to play and he wont start here.
so move on to who will be are WR coach that is a real move that will happen soon not a dream move.
And i love that are new DB coach has florida roots that and he is a great coach at last a real coach on the D

And maybe we get a first rate WR coach to replace
a first rate WR coach that would be nice.

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 2:42 pm

Curious… “a position.”

Maybe its not Def. Secondary Coach but Wide Receivers? Or could there be a little something added on to Secondary Coach… say like ASS’T COORDINATOR?

Comment by PittofDreams 02.11.14 @ 2:45 pm

I wonder if the new chancellor “suggested” opening the purse strings a bit.

Comment by 66Goat 02.11.14 @ 2:59 pm

pittofDreams yes co D coordinator would be nice

66Goat new chancellor wont really take over till AUG

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 3:05 pm

pittofdreams, so …

– you come on this site with BREAKING NEWS six hours after Chas posts that says that Douglas was hired, and

– you claim that DiPaolo whose article showed up 2 hours after Chas’ post did “what Beat Reporters do”

Hey, I’m all for getting it right instead of getting it first … but getting it last doesn’t quite make it.

(Just busting your chops!!)

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 3:31 pm

@Frankcan, Always enjoy your knowledgeable insight on the coaching and recruiting fronts. With your new capitalization skills you might make 1st team all site. Lol

Comment by spiritofsection22 02.11.14 @ 4:05 pm

66 Goat, yes it would interesting if the purse strings were indeed loosened a bit. By the way, I had a silver 66 GTO, it had manual steering and my wife couldn’t park it, it was a beast.

Comment by Justinian 02.11.14 @ 4:09 pm

Competition is fine fellas, but if I’ve taken my redshirt, been a patient back-up for a year, won a bowl game, and the coach hand selects a transfer to compete with me in spring practice, I’d be a little pissed off. This ain’t the pros. Voytik showed great loyalty to Pitt. It’s time to show some to him.

If Wittek understands he is #2 until Voytik screws up or is injured fine. I think a QB competition in camp is a mistake at this point.

Right now it has to be about reps and getting the guy ready. He knows the playbook. It is about developing chemistry with his receivers, backs and linemen.

Great news about Douglas, c’mon down Mr. Campbell, Mr. Boyd and Co. are here to make you a star.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 4:42 pm

Plus two years of eligibility after you have graduated from college,with no penalty for transfer, what kind of rule is that?

The NCAA is nuts.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 4:48 pm

I think he was a special teams coach at one or more of his stops….

Comment by dcpinpgh 02.11.14 @ 5:07 pm

@ GC,

That’s one of the few rules I understand. You go to college to graduate. Football pays for you to go to school. Once you are done with your degree, you obligation to play football for that school is also over.

Usually when a school requires a 1300 SAT and a football player can get in with a 560, this scenario, for some reason, never comes up.

Comment by dcpinpgh 02.11.14 @ 5:11 pm

So if Wittek comes he gets a scholarship to grad school. Not bad.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 5:23 pm

Hope the favorite wins tomorrow night

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 5:29 pm

Info for you all are new DB coach was the man who recruited Florida for Iowa St so i took a look at the last 2 years to see how he did he recuited 12 Florida players in 2 years to there school.

So if he can recruit 12 players from Florida to a place like Iowa St. Just think how he should do with us in the ACC and with us playing in there home state which Iowa does not we should clean up.
It is all good.

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 5:44 pm

Both thumbs up Francank!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.11.14 @ 5:48 pm

GC, Everyone doesn’t go on the make it in the NFL. Getting a graduate degree and getting it completely paid for, isn’t such a bad deal when you come to think about it. Also, if you get another opportunity to play major college football, all the better.

Comment by Justinian 02.11.14 @ 5:49 pm

That’s Frankcan

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.11.14 @ 5:49 pm

Been out of touch vacationing in FL. Looks like things picking up for Pitt. Beat Cuse week is here.

Comment by Frank 02.11.14 @ 5:58 pm

I absolutely love the Troy Douglas hire,known as a good recruiter and a Florida native. I am thrilled. 27 years of experience is also a major plus, besides Palermo, the defensive coaches on this staff are very inexperienced.

Also think Erik Campbell would be a great addition. I agree with @notrocketscience, with that list of impressive receivers it’s hard to believe he didn’t play a part in recruiting some of them.

I think Pitt coaches would be crazy not to reach out to Max Wittek. As Iron Duke mentioned, there is no shame in not starting at USC. Hell, Matt Cassel has been a starting NFL QB and never started at USC. And don’t forget Wittek was coached by a dolt most of his career. Who knows what his ceiling is?

While I agree Voytik has shown tremendous loyalty to Pitt, Paul Chryst owes it to 84 other kids to give Pitt the best chance to win. I’m not saying to promise this kid anything more than a chance to compete, but if you have a chance to add a former 4* kid at a position that desperately needs depth, you would be crazy not to.

Comment by Pap76 02.11.14 @ 6:00 pm

frankcan good data

Comment by wbb 02.11.14 @ 6:01 pm

Justinian, I agree it is a very good deal. Almost too good to be true. I am wondering when the NCAA will eliminate the loophole.

It just seems patently unfair. If you graduated from one school then get to reboot at another.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 6:08 pm

link to

“If you can’t get excited and pumped-up to play the No. 1 team in the country, then there’s no point in even playing basketball, if you ask me,” Pitt guard Cameron Wright told’s Kevin Gorman after a practice earlier this week.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.11.14 @ 6:17 pm

Pap, dolt may be the highest compliment ever paid Lane Kiffen.

Comment by Iron Duke 02.11.14 @ 6:37 pm

How is this our last chance to silence our critics,(Headline from the CBS Article) Isn’t there at least one tournament to play. More than likely two. I’d rather us silence our critics in the NCAA’s.

Are these guys lobbying to get us out of the Dance?

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 6:41 pm

@gc – I think he was referring to resume building as some posters on here have discussed as well.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.11.14 @ 6:43 pm

He mentions Keita’s bad knee but doesn’t mention Zanna’s ankle or Patterson’s thumb. Or DJ out for the season.

He wants to talk ancient history, how good we are at home, but neglects to mention Duke embarrassing us or VA’s heroics.

We may be #25 with a healthy Patterson, #15 if you add a healthy Zanna, and possibly top ten with a healthy DJ.

With the exception of a good second half and a great overtime by Patterson against Miami, he is a shadow of himself right now, since Clemson.

Hopefully the treatments are working, we can’t afford three airballs tomorrow.

Without a healthy Patterson we may not be a top 50 team.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 6:56 pm

Wbb thank you i have taken it even father i went to the Iowa st site they have offered 5 players from FL for 2015 and one from GA i am sure Douglas was recruiting them for Iowa st now he can recruit them for pitt if pitt wants.
He has been in contact with them for years you can bet on it

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 6:56 pm

@Frankcan, It sounds to me like this Douglas guy is like the Slice of Florida football players. I guess we won’t have to worry about listening to Mrs. Henry’s big mouth next year.

Comment by spiritofsection22 02.11.14 @ 7:38 pm

Wittek is better than anyone on the roster now. Don’t believe me go look at his tape 6’4″ 240lbs.and can sling all over the field. It would take all of one week to be named the starter.

Comment by pd 02.11.14 @ 7:57 pm

I don’t know much about Wittek or the intangibles of bringing in a transfer at this point, but the media painting HCPC as a quarterback guru doesn’t hurt. He can use all those endorsements he can get. I am starting to get the feeling our football program is getting some traction for the first time in a long time. The bowl win might have marked a turning point for us.HTP

Comment by spiritofsection22 02.11.14 @ 8:18 pm

Let’s see Penn St picks up Terry Smith to coach the defensive backs while Pitt gets Troy Douglas. If Mr Franklin is serious about dominating he better not get out performed like that too much. Sounds like a win for Pitt to me.

Comment by spiritofsection22 02.11.14 @ 8:25 pm

spirtofsection22 i think you are right sounds like a win for pitt to me yes it does.
Now Chryst do get a big name wr coach.

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 8:41 pm

Good stuff Frankcan. Any idea of the star level of the kids he’s been recruiting for 2015?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 02.11.14 @ 8:52 pm

@ frankcan… nice info Franky! You’re running circles around the rag reporters!

The WR coach would be big given what he did with big time players at the big house. Chryst can really build on that story that ‘we prep. you in prostyle systems and get you to the NFL’…

Both these guys solidify what seems to be the recruiting strategy… PC is going for the corn feed players from the midwest… and agrees the suggestions here to get into the South east game… and being in the ACC makes that possible.

Meanwhile WVU continues to come apart at the seems losing their DC Patterson… and Mr. Dominator can go duke it out with Larry Johnson in Maryland and Virginia and find out how hard that fight is going to be…

… while the reaction in WPA to the ‘domination’ speech and Terry hire were two early commitments to Pitt…

things are shaping up OK …

now let’s make some orange juice tomorrow!


Comment by Pittscript 02.11.14 @ 8:55 pm

I see three notables off the top from florida that ISU have offered. Scout # 4 OLB Jeff Holland 4*; WR Christian Philpott 3*; RB Javaris Davis 3*. All three are from Jacksonville area I believe. This would be great news to get some solid Florida performers.

Would like to get WR coach in tow and start recruiting their socks off. Okay, let’s start having some fun. How many schollies do we have for next year?

As for Wittek, if he comes here and performs better than Voytik, he should play. If Voytik wants to play, he should be winning over the locker room now and pushing his teammates hard. How many days until spring ball? Watching the winter games gets me stoked!est line I heard so far is one of the snowboarders told Matt Lauer that Lindsey Vonn was ” Crispy”! LOL, meaning she is smoking hot.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 02.11.14 @ 9:03 pm

Wouldn’t be surprised there is a bit of a shake up on the D side with this hire… perhaps Douglas is “co defensive coordinator”??? pure lateral move not quite makes sense unless he wants back into ACC.

Campbell the WR coach has a good back story that he was almost the OC last year and basically got screwed so went to Canada… guy has substance.

finally, wonder if this all shows the ACC money is now hitting the programs budgets??

Comment by Pittscript 02.11.14 @ 9:09 pm

So why doesn’t the official U of P site reflect the coaching update? Bobby Engram is still listed for Chryst sake.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 02.11.14 @ 9:14 pm


Are you working, unemployed, retired or looking for a new job? Because I would love to recommend you to the Pittsburgh papers as a beat reporter! Nice research and great effort as always!

Douglass is a very nice hire for Pitt. Campbell and Douglass together would be a great addition to the coaching staff. I thought the db’s played well with House as their position coach in 2012 but seriously regressed under Poteat/House with House a D-coordinator this year. That spot to me was the weakest link this past year. I would rather have a young d-co focus on that than a position.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 02.11.14 @ 9:16 pm

Watched the utube on Wittek’s HS. The kid does have a gun. Was throwing to Victor Blackwell, very fast, he is also at USC. Quite a combo. Looks like Savage with quick feet. Probably go to Texas. If he comes here, will be a real competition in the spring.

Would solve the depth issue.

Comment by gc 02.11.14 @ 10:41 pm

Marcus, Shushhhhh we’re not supposed to know yet. The official announcement of Troy Douglas being hired is scheduled for Wednesday.

Comment by Justinian 02.11.14 @ 10:45 pm

Marcus of schumburg i think a 4 star a few 3 stars and a 2 star i would have ansewerd sooner but for the last few hours i have been trying to find out for sure who are new WR coach will be so have not been on this site.

Bowling green Panther thank you.

pittscript thank you also and Douglas only has a 6 hour flight to FL from pitt it was 16 hour flight from iowa he wanted to be closer to home in FL.

And know i did not find out who are WRcoach will be but i am working on it. and i have tweeted coach Erik Campbell 4 times but have not got any reply but will come back on if i find out any thing.

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 11:17 pm

@gc – this is the headline on the front page of

“Hey, Cuse, beware of Pitt”

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.11.14 @ 11:29 pm

Marcus here are the names
Kevin Toliver CB 4 ster Jackson VILLE
jeffery Holland LB JacksonVille 4 star
Sheerd Pittman OLB 3 star Jackson Ville
Jaevis Davis RB 3 star coral gables
Isaiah Zuber WR GA

Comment by Frankcan 02.11.14 @ 11:43 pm

I’m sure we have all heard this before…

“Slow and steady wins the race”

I’m actually starting to believe our boy Paul may have a plan, and is starting to execute it.

I’m really impressed that by losing Engram may actually end up being addition by subtraction.

But to any Pulp Fiction fans out there, to quote the Wolf, ” Let’s not start…( If you’ve seen it you know the rest) Lol

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Pap76 02.12.14 @ 12:42 am

1. I’m all for bringing in another QB next year….you’re one play/injury away from blowing up the season if CV gets injured early. The job of the Head Coach is to build depth @ all positions…every year. Competition shouldn’t scare off any player.

2. Hail To Pitt…CRUSH THE ‘CUSE! ….or @ least, limp by, and eek out a “W”.

Comment by The TRUTH 02.12.14 @ 7:03 am

Looks like PC may not be that interested in Wittek

link to

Comment by wbb 02.12.14 @ 7:30 am

I’m seeing some positive energy coming from other Blatherites concerning Pitt Football as of late on this board. With SofS22 mentioning that our “meaningless bowl game” could have been a “turning point” is exactly what I was earnestly extolling back in December when I was labeling it as a “must win” game for Pitt.

And I love the Douglas hire! Campbell would be a great addition also. Plus I am 110% in favor of bringing in Max Wittek, if he is so inclined to join the Panthers. BTW, don’t take what HCPC says to the press as gospel, believe me, if Max said he wanted on board, Chryst would be rolling out the red carpet for him. Chryst is no dummy, he realizes he is just two injuries away from a Holy $hit crisis at the QB position this coming season.

You guys are starting to understand the “plod along” phylosophy of HCPC. Slow and steady, small steps, small steps. Paul Chryst is in this thing for the long run guys, and he is building this house from the ground up on a solid foundation. That takes time. Delaware can’t get here quick enough for me.

Beat Syracuse!!! H2P!!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.12.14 @ 7:52 am

By the way, “why should the Steelers upset and insult Terry by bringing in another quarterback?”

(when the Steelers drafted Terry Bradshaw first and Terry Hannrity was the current QB) :>)

Comment by pittman4ever 02.12.14 @ 8:04 am

Dr Tom, there is positive energy on this site because we have been shown reasons recently that, unlike last year at this time, PC and staff are showing that they intend to improve:

– it may have been a meaningless bowl game but it provided hope to the fans and more importantly the team, primarily due to the fact that so many underclassmen played major roles, including the new QB

– unlike a year ago, they have already offered many targeted players and even have a few promsising commits

– they QUICKLY hired a QUALIFIED assistant and seem on the verge of hiring another

Comment by wbb 02.12.14 @ 8:14 am

Dr Tom nailed it. Of course, Chryst is going to say that we do not have to have Wittek. He needs to stand behind Voytik as our guy, not look like we have no confidence that Voytik can do the job. But, Chryst has to know that any help we can get at the QB spot is a positive. Let’s not be faked up by the media speak.

H2P and H2Voytik

Comment by pmdH2P 02.12.14 @ 8:27 am

Obviously we could really use another qb on the roster, preferably one with experience as opposed to another freshman, and Wittek fits the bill. However, there are some ‘out there’ comments on here- yikes. Wittek seems to have some of the same positives as Savage, but his stats aren’t great and he’s thrown his share of interceptions. I like Voytik’s leadership & decision making qualities. It’s been a long time since we’ve had both of these qualities in a qb. Deep down, I hope Wittek goes elsewhere.

Comment by 1618mt 02.12.14 @ 8:55 am

Let’s see, Wittek is being courted by Texas, Ohio State, VA Tech, and Louisville. Glad to see Chryst is smart enough not to piss off Voytik for a pig in a poke. Does anyone really think we could win a bidding war against those guys?

Where would we be if Voytik gets pissed off and decides to transfer just like Wittek. Wittek is transferring because he wants to start.

Wittek threw 3 tds and 6 int’s at USC. The rap on him is he can’t adjust to the speed of the college game.

Hanratty was under contract and could not leave.

Comment by gc 02.12.14 @ 8:56 am

gc, you are right. The bidding war will be that at least one of those schools is going to essentially promise Wittek the starting job in order to get him.

I didn’t think about Voytik transfering but that is a great point. Cause as soon as Wittek is announced to be coming to Pitt that means he is the favorite to be the starter. Voytik could transfer and still have a few years of elgibility left.

Savage is a completely different situation than Wittek. He started a year at Rutgers and had some success. He also go to sit out a year to learn Pitt’s offense. Wittek has had no success in college and wants to play as soon as he gets to the school.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.12.14 @ 9:11 am

I like what I saw from Chad Voytik in the Bowling Green game. He showed a lot moxie and his mobility made a difference. The Bowling Green pass rushers were teeing off on Savage. Paul Chryst showed the adaptability to incorporate Wilson’s abilities into Wisconsin’s offense when he was there. I would imagine he will do similar things with Voytik.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.14 @ 9:19 am

Actually everything at this point is pure speculation. Paul Chryst realizes his situation and imagine that he will keep his cards close to vest. Wittek is no doubt looking for a situation where he can come in and start right away. I don’t think that’s the situation here at Pitt. The best he could get here is the opportunity to compete for the starting job with no promises. I don’t realistically think that will be good enough for him. Only time will tell.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.14 @ 9:27 am

FWIW, Terry Bradshaw was the #1 pick n the ’70 draft because the Steelers were 1-13 in ’69, which included Hanratty’s 5 winless starts. Even then, it took until early ’74 for Bradshaw to become the fulltime starter (Gilliam actually started the season) … but Pitt doesn’t have such luxury.

Comment by wbb 02.12.14 @ 9:46 am

Programs like Texas, OSU, VA Tech will have more competition than Pitt at the QB spot so Pitt would have to look good.
If Voytik wants to transfer because the coach brought in competition then they should be happy for him to leave. Evey other player on the team faces competition for their position…why would QB be any different? If you have a chance to grab talent, you grab it.
Maybe I missed it, but has Wittek redshirted yet?
If he has the same eligibility as Voytik, it would be ideal for him to redshirt if he has not done so.

Comment by notrocketscience 02.12.14 @ 9:54 am

Why these silly speculations about Voytik transferring? We could just as easily speculate that ‘If Wittek needs to land someplace where he perceives there to be the least amount of competition because he is too insecure due to his interception history, then I guess we should be happy if he chooses another school’. Fair is fair.

Comment by 1618mt 02.12.14 @ 10:02 am

wbb If I recall the Steelers followed the 1969 1-13 season with 4 wins in 1970 and went 7-7 in 71. The break-out season was in 72 when they went 10 and 4 and then beat Oakland in the play-off immaculate reception game.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.14 @ 10:23 am

notrocketscience, if you google Wittek you’ll find out he was already redshirted. He will be a redshirt junior who wants to start in the fall. By your logic, why should Pitt even welcome Wittek since he wasn’t able to handle competition at USC?

I don’t think it’s silly speculation to say Voytik might transfer if Wittek comes to Pitt. If Wittek comes to Pitt then that means Chryst told him he is very likely to start. Why would Voytik be a backup for 2 more years and then maybe start his senior year?

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.12.14 @ 10:33 am

Of course it is all speculation and opinion. Thst is what we do here. What is a fact is that Voytik stayed when Graham left and helped to keep the recruiting class together. He showed great loyalty to his school.

Wittek, took a redshirt, got beat out, has two years of eligibility left, has decided to quit his school and look for greener pastures. The other QB could go down in the first game, but Wittek is not patient or loyal enough to stick it out, does not sound like a character guy to me.

While it is fair for Voytik to compete with incoming freshmen and those on the team, because of a stupid NCAA loophole he might have to compete with a Johnny come lately. Put yourself in his shoes. If you think Pitt should be happy for him to leave under these circumstances that is sad. That would leave us in the same position without depth, and send a very bad signal to current and future players

Sometimes people just need to do the right thing. I think Chryst will. The NCAA should eliminate the rule or at least make the transfer sit out a year.

Transferring is not speculation, it is rampant.

Comment by gc 02.12.14 @ 10:45 am

Too bad Berke isn’t able to come in early. It would have been nice to have him here for spring football. Paul Chryst made the earlier comment on Signing day that they were staying with what they had. He said it would be good for them because both quarterbacks would get plenty of work in the spring.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.14 @ 10:46 am

The silly part is to speculate that he’s afraid of competition. He’s already proven himself in this area. No need for negatives. More realistic that he leaves if he doesn’t feel he’s given a fair shake. It happens.

Comment by 1618mt 02.12.14 @ 10:46 am

While at Wisconsin, Coach Chryst told Russell Wilson that he would have to compete for the starting QB job just like the other QBs on the roster if he chose to be a Badger. I don’t think he’ll change this mindset for Wittek and ‘promise’ him the job.

And unless CV is totally void of any competitive genes, I believe he stays regardless of what Wittek does. The Wittek situation is different than Savage’s in that TS had more than a year to learn the offense prior to starting, Wittek won’t have that luxury.

I would like to add another QB due to depth issues so I’m all for bringing in Wittek.

Comment by pghFred 02.12.14 @ 10:49 am

Justinian, correct, but my point was that Bradshaw did not establish himself a franchise starter until mid 74, as Gilliam actually beat him out at the beginning. Bradshaw would not probably be given 4 years today.

I think PC has a comfort factor with Voytik that he doesn’t have with Wittek, and it is too late for Wittek to enroll and take part in spring practices. The argument is the lack of depth not that Voytik isn’t capable. To me, it is Wittik who would have to be willing to sit since he would come in raw and only have 3 weeks practice prior to the start of the season.

Comment by wbb 02.12.14 @ 10:51 am

Where is Blue/Gold game this year?

Comment by DC33 02.12.14 @ 11:17 am

pghFred, that’s why I think Chryst is being honest when he says he isn’t going after Wittek. He’s not going to promise him anything. And it would seem very unlikely for him to master the offense, while getting second string snaps, in 3 weeks of practice. 3 weeks vs. 2.5 years is a huge difference.

When I say Voytik would possibly transfer it would be because he doesn’t believe he is getting a fair shake and will think a decision has already been made to start Wittek. It has nothing to do with some nonexistent fear of competition.

Comment by Wardapalooza 02.12.14 @ 11:22 am

From everything that I’ve read, heard through the grapevine and seen with my own eyes tells me that Chad Voytik is both a competitor and a winner. That said, that kind of individual doesn’t throw in the towel when the going gets tuff, and adding QB depth for the betterment of the team is hardly steep climb for Chad this year, considering what the kid has already been through up to this point in his Pitt career.

I’m feeling that Voytik is going to impress all of us enough that we won’t be wishing for a QB replacement come October. The real issue is what happens if our up and comer QB goes down with an injury.

That is where a guy like Wittek comes in. If he decides he wants to come to Pitt, Chryst will welcome him without providing promises and Chad will go about his business of preparing to be our starting QB. It’s his job to lose IMO.

Everything is not a crisis situation just because we are talking about it being a Pitt issue here.

Thanks for your help Savage,,,,long live Voytik!

Comment by Dr. Tom 02.12.14 @ 11:41 am

wbb, as usual good point by you. I was thinking that Wittek could come for Spring practice. No chance of him winning the job in the fall.

Then it is up to Voytik to keep his job for the season. I am OK with that.

Still think it is a stupid rule that allows graduates to transfer without penalty.

Comment by gc 02.12.14 @ 12:53 pm

gc, I can see your point, but if a guy graduates and still has eligibility, he becomes a free agent so to speak. If a school can pull a schollie from a guy before he graduates and/or his eligibility is used up, then he should be allowed to move on after he has his degree.

This is kind of like the anger created when a coach jumps ship from one school before his contract ends. If schools can exercise the option of firing the coach before the contract ends, then coaches can do the same … and contracts are written these days to include both scenarios.

On the other hand, if schools extend the 4-year schollie instead of the normal one year with a unilateral option to renew, then the kid cannot transfer or leave after graduation.

Comment by wbb 02.12.14 @ 1:48 pm

I know it tough to go through a season without some bumps and bruses. Heck during the Nation Championship year in 76 Haygood was the starting quarterback until he got hurt then Cavanaugh and for a few games Usick started, before Cavanaugh came back to finish the season.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.14 @ 3:21 pm

You may remember .. In ’77, we lost to eventual national champs ND in the opener when Cavanaugh broke his wrist on the play that Pitt grabbed a 9-0 lead. We put in anexperienced QB after that and ND eventually won the game as Pitt not only didn’t score any more ponts, it may not have gotten any more 1st downs.

In 07, Stull was hurt the first games with 2 inexperienced QBs backing. K Smith started a couple of games but was then replaced by P Bostick who played half decent, engineering upsets at ND, at WVU, and Cincy at home … but could have easily won games vs Rutgers, Lville and Navy with just one more executed play. Also lost close game at Mich St by 4.

But fell short winning only 5 games (defense deserved more.)

Comment by wbb 02.12.14 @ 4:01 pm

WBB, Lost $20 bucks on the ND game and I was certain it was a sure thing.Here is how I remember it. The lead was 7-0 not 9-0 and we carried that lead into the 4th quarter even though our replacement QB kept fumbling in our own territory. Finally the Irish took the lead late and added a meaningless touchdown at the end to win 16-7. They won the national championship that year so I think it is reasonable to assume that broken arm cost us one. Our defense was good enough that I don’t think Notre Dame would have scored at all. We should have romped. It made last nights basketball loss look like small potatoes.

Comment by spiritofsection22 02.13.14 @ 6:37 pm

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