January 9, 2014

Basketball Notes, 1/9

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 8:36 am

Been a while since I did this, but there is no real theme to what I’m posting, so…

I blasted Dejan Kovacevic a couple times for his “I’m not saying, but the questions are out there” columns. So, good for him on admitting that, yes, he was actually questioning the non-con schedule for preparing the team for the ACC.

For all the teeth gnashing over Pitt not “getting respect” (specifically, being ranked), it’s coming.

More than a couple pieces noting Pitt.

It was the first win in ACC play for Pitt, which of course is new to the league this season. And of all the teams ranked in the top 25 this season — seriously, all 40-ish that have found their way into the polls at some point to another — no group has been on the wrong side of skepticism as much as Jamie Dixon’s Panthers. The doubt was (and maybe still is) warranted.

Now at 13-1 with its next to home games against Maryland and Wake Forest, two teams with 19 wins total, but zero of those Ws against teams ranked in the top 70 of, Pittsburgh is set up to to have it best start, record-wise, since the team got to 19-1 in 2010-11. (In a few ways, that group reminds of this one — and also had a lousy non-conference schedule.)

This season, the Panthers’ sole defeat stems from a hideous Dec. 17 loss, 44-43, to Cincinnati. But it was by just one point, and on the heels of Cincinnati’s win at Memphis Saturday, it’s looking better by the week.

I think Rothstein meant top-50 of, since Stanford is at #54.

Seth Davis at who has been one of the louder complainers of Pitt’s non-con and why they shouldn’t be ranked is also taking note.

This is for all you bargain shoppers out there. After waltzing through a weak nonconference schedule and losing to Cincinnati, 44-43, at Madison Square Garden in one of the ugliest games of the season, the Panthers were demoted to the discount rack. When they fell behind at N.C. State on Saturday, it looked like even that might be too good for them, but you have to give them credit for getting off the mat and winning a conference road game going away. Now I think Pitt is ready to get some work done in its new league. Most of the ACC teams they play are not used to the physical brand of ball that Pitt will bring. The Panthers might not look pretty getting to the NCAA tournament, but I think they’ll get there.

He has seen the rest of the ACC — not to mention college basketball in general — right? Barring major injuries, Pitt is going to be in the NCAA Tournament.

ESPN’s own proprietary computer rankings, the BPI, have Pitt at #5.

Pittsburgh still has not entered the AP Top 25 despite being ranked No. 5 in BPI.

The lone blemish on Pitt’s schedule is a one-point loss on a neutral court against No. 26 Cincinnati. It came on a Titus Rubles offensive putback with less than five seconds remaining. That’s how close Pitt is to being undefeated right now.

Sure, Pitt hasn’t played the most difficult schedule –- its strength of schedule is ranked 90th.

But the Panthers have fared well against their toughest opponents. Other than their one-point loss to Cincinnati, they’ve won each of their other five games against top-100 opponents by at least nine points. Their average margin in those five wins is 17 points.

Thirteen of Pitt’s 14 wins are by at least 12 points. Its closest win was by nine points, 78-69 against No. 81 Penn State.

The biggest issue for Pitt is not the non-con slate is so bad. It’s that they haven’t had many national appearances.

Since I’m always going to watch Pitt, there is little difference in my head between ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or most RSN games. For the casual viewer and a lot of sportswriters who are covering other games that night, it matters. ESPN is what will play in the media rooms, offices and bars. so those will be their glimpses Since Pitt wasn’t ranked in preseason, their patsy games have gotten little play. Even pollsters have to be able to see a team to think about them and decide to rank them. The Cinci game was that big appearance. It was a hideous game, that cemented a lot of biases built-in against Pitt by preseason prognostications.

Only now, after the start of the ACC play has there begun a thawing of that perspective.

It also doesn’t hurt that the ACC is looking more and more like it brought in the lastest wave of Big East teams to raise-up the basketball. Yeesh, UNC. The ACC is not looking hot right now.

The rest.

Every year, another story on the overall versatility of the Pitt players. The biggest difference in my view, to past discussion of versatility is that it usually centered on the guards. How they can play point or elsewhere. This year, it is much more about the forwards. Mike Young, Jamel Artis, Durand Johnson and Lamar Patterson. These are players with different skill sets than in past years. Different strengths and weaknesses. We are seeing the team this year, much more willing to create different match-ups. Stretching opposing defenses.

Hey, yeah. Time for the “Pitt is a physical and tough team” story.

“They were tougher than our team was, period,” N.C. State coach Mark Gottfried said after Pitt’s 74-62 victory Saturday in Raleigh, N.C. “They defended us tougher than we defended them. They got after loose balls, they pushed the ball on the break. And we did not respond.”

Gottfried called it a “tough lesson to learn.”

Maryland coach Mark Turgeon echoed those sentiments after a 79-59 loss Monday at Petersen Events Center, noting the difficulty of driving the lane against Pitt caused his players to stray for perimeter shots.

“If you drive, you’re going to get bumped,” Turgeon said. “They’re going to reach in. A lot of times, they strip it or hit you. So I do think that we settled for too many jump shots, which was disappointing.”

Gottfried called the Panthers’ ability to strip the ball out of an opponent’s hands or diving onto the floor for a loose ball, which resulted in fast-break opportunities and points off turnovers, “part of being tougher with the basketball.”

Again. This is a different team than past ones. Is Pitt strong? Yes. Are they able to play very tough defense? Absolutely. Are they a bruising, brutish team? Absolutely not. Turgeon is playing to the officials for the next game with the bumping and hitting claim. Especially considering how much zone Pitt used against his team — which is what sent them to more jump shots. This team does very little of the style he is claiming. They are getting their hands in on the ball more, but the only time they are bumping is when the ball is loose. Not in the lane.

Point guard columns. Josh Newkirk and James Robinson. If only we could combine the two. Robinson’s court vision, passing, defense and free throw shooting. Newkirk’s speed, three point shooting and aggression. Right now, I’m happy with both.

When we are bad we get extra blame and when we are good we don’t get enough credit. Now that we are in a position of contending for the ACC championship it is because the conference is so weak not because we are any good. UNC is a paper tiger and Duke is a rubber snake. Once that becomes obvious the media will say we contended by default. We still won’t get any respect.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 9:31 am

Your final statemnt is poignant. While I raised the issue a few weeks ago of Newkirk being a catalyst when the offense appeared to be stagnant, many here thought that I was downgrading Robinson. While I pointed out that JR is not a creator, I said continually that he is realiable steady ballhandler, a good defender, and a good foul shooter which is important when we are preserving a lead in the final minutes.

Why do I have a feeling that Pitt’s aggressive style will not go over so well when Pitt plays Duke?

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 9:32 am

clarification to above post … Why do Iave the feeling that Pitt’s aggresive style will not go over soweel WITH THE REFS when Pitt plays Duke?

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 9:35 am

Yesterday wbb came up with a new nickname for Josh Newkirk, Nuke or Newk. I think it is great and that we ought to adopt it here. I was one of those who was put off at your “stagnant” comment but have to admit that having both looks like it could really help. If we are going to rape and pillage our way thru the ACC it might be fun to “Rob” ’em before we “Nuke” ’em. Being in our position we have a unique perspective of the ACC. From the outside it looked like we were entering some mighty kingdom where tobacco road royalty would spank us and send us back north with our tail between our legs. I know many here felt that fear and some of it’s remnants still exist. The fact is UNC sucks. If we had their record the media would be making a joke of us. Duke was supposed to contend for the National title. They aren’t even going to win the conference. They aren’t that good. The hype is loud but the game is wanting. It is between us and the Orange and we traditionally beat them 2 out of 3,look it up. Nobody thinks we rate but if UNC had our record they would be in the top 10 now. The bad news is that when we win it will be attributed to the conference weakness not our performance.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 9:54 am

I really like Josh Newkirk and I like James Robinson. The nice thing about have several good players on a team is that you can mix and match as the games unfold. Pitt’s versatility, lets them take advantage of match ups. I like this team. Would I like to have a stronger inside presence? Absolutely! But you need to play to your strengths and this squad’s strengths are depth and versatility. I also like their transition game. It should be an interesting first season in the ACC.

Comment by Justinian 01.09.14 @ 10:01 am

Off topic but way too funny …. apparently, Matt Rotheram is so good that he made the ACC All-Bowl team while sitting at home

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Now I know Rotheram was deemed Pitt’s best OL based on the votes he received for all conference last month, but still …

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 10:04 am

I am also content with the Nuke nickname and fully endorse it.
Honestly Chas, the notion that because a team isn’t playing on espn renders sportswriters unable to assess them is a joke, isn’t it? Doesn’t take an expert to say Arizona is talented. God I wish the networks cared more about this sport, Pitt aside.

Comment by MikePITT 01.09.14 @ 10:07 am

Here we go with the snob smug spin. This morning Andy Katz gave the 1st mention I have seen of us being a ACC contender. He said “Jamie Dixon thinks he has an ACC contender moving forward”. First off I would bet money Dixon never said that and second it is a backward way of acknowledging we are a contender. These guys do everything possible to keep the pressure off their underperforming, overhyped, gushed over favorites. Then they slide us in backwards.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 10:14 am

Lots of moaning coming out of Chapel Hill this morning.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 10:17 am

My biggest hope is that we and Cuse finish 1 & 2 in the ACC. Obviously, I would hope we finish on top but even 2nd would ensure us with a decent seeding (and finally some respect).

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 10:18 am

wbb, to go along with that, Rotheram sat at home, but Boyd was outstanding and wasn’t even recognized.

Comment by Greg 01.09.14 @ 10:21 am

Justinian, I am pleasantly surprised that not only Jamie is playing the freshmen, he is also letting some of the players play 2 positions. (Young 4 & 5, Patterson 3&4, Wright 2&3, Robinson 1&2) … in the past, he seemed to be very rigid in this area.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 10:23 am

Pitt has a very good and consistent program and a fine coach for which we should all be grateful. I make the 3-hour trek and pay Stubhub prices all the time to be at the Pete.

The only black mark is the late season bed-crapping especially in the NCAA’s. Right or wrong, that’s what colors a lot of perceptions of Pitt as a choke team and Jamie as Mr. January. What happens in years past shouldn’t carry over to the present but it does.

Change that and everything else changes.

Comment by BATR 01.09.14 @ 10:25 am

@WBB The seeding is a reasonable possibility as is the 1-2 finish. I am convinced we aren’t going to get any respect til we get to a Final 4. Even the local media has a glass is half empty attitude towards us. They will pooh pooh the accomplishment and have started to lay the groundwork with the Andy Katz comments I mention above.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 10:29 am

@BATR, You hit the nail on the head. I have 2 great season seats and can’t always attend because of work. Check with me here next time your coming in maybe I can help.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 10:34 am

@WBB He has mellowed a ton. Zone, freshman, pace. Jamie is a lot like what he said about our team last week. Still maturing, not a finished product.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 10:36 am

BATR, Yes, but other than the squad with Blair, Young, Fields team, Pitt had probably over achieved with the talent they had. So other than the year we lost to Villanova, I don’t know they crapped the bed. When you get to the final 8 or so in the NCAA tournament the teams most talented players tend to win.

Comment by Justinian 01.09.14 @ 10:37 am

wbb, All good points! It’s nice to see and it give Pitt a much better ability to take advantage of particular match-ups. And……….If I’m not mistaken, Pitt is actually playing some zone on the basketball court.

Comment by Justinian 01.09.14 @ 10:41 am

@Justinian, You are right, 100% right but, the average basketball fan only follows his own team close enough to realize the facts you just wrote are true. All a guy who follows Arizona knows is we choke in the tournament. We can overachieve until hell freezes over and we aren’t going to get any media respect until we get to the Final 4. One area they are having trouble overlooking is the fact that Dixon has never lost to an ACC team. That fact if it continues is too interesting to conveniently ignore.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 10:47 am

We hit the cbs top 25 and 1 list which updates every day. We are 25th.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:02 am

Unfortunately all Pitt can do is play the games one at a time, and not get overconfident. Wake Forest will not be a pushover on Saturday. Virginia is better than Spirit thinks. NC is unpredictable, the beat Michigan St. and have talented players.

There are others that can jump up and bite us.

We have only played one close game and Patterson choked at the line. Great teams are the ones that win the close ones, we are extremely untested.

Don’t get me wrong, I love what I am seeing so far, but we have only played two games in the ACC.

One point on the AP voting, in addition to being disturbed with Gorman, where are the other ACC writers, they are making their conference look bad if they only vote for the old guard. Getting Pitt ranked is important for the conference as well.

Regarding the BS from Gorman, voting is greatly subjective at this time of year, because there have been few big games. This is why NC, Louisville, Connecticut were ranked and have fallen out. There is no excuse for Gorman.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:08 am

I would hope that reputation has nothing to do with a seeding of a team. This current team has nothing to do with the Pitt team of 8 years ago, 3 years ago and even very little to do tha last year. Did Wichita St even make it to the NCAAs 2 years ago?

However, the selection committee has time and again made it clear that the non-conference scheduling does impact the seeding of the team. We can all the excuses in the world for not playing a better non-con but the bottom line is that we indeed play one of the easiest non-cons. And if you couple that with the feeling that the ACC is in a down year, we may finish 2nd in the ACC but get a low 3rd seed or something like that … depending on how other teams do.

Right now, just about every team except for about a half-dozen seems pretty vulnerable. Pitt just has to continue to win and let the chips fall.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 11:11 am

“The fact of the ACC’s declining prominence has eased Pitt’s entrance into the conference.”- Bob Smizek………..Yea Bob, except maybe there was no decline and they were just overhyped while bozo’s like you endorsed them and snubbed us. Anybody think we are going to finish 6th to 9th in the ACC? I rest my case.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:12 am

Hugh Green lost the Heisman because of anti Pitt bias in this town. If you are a hometown writer and you don’t favor your own a little, you are not unbiased, you are a jerk.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:12 am

Kind of tired of hearing about the “toughness & strength” blabberings each & every year. Actually this team is a little timid underneath at times and is not one of our strongest rebounding wise by any means.

I guess it saves some of these writers time rather actually watch the games. So they just pull out the same cliches about PITT each & every year.

Same with Gottfried.

That game was turned by the Zone, and his team not being able to get to the rim as they had been doing and then couldn’t make many outside shots.

And then PITT turned on the afterburners in the 2nd half and turned it, not into a ‘who was tougher than who’ game. But into a Pitt transition game as 70% of the FG’s scored when we went from 8 down to 13 up were in transition.

This isn’t a typical Pitt grinding half court team. When we get stuck in the half court all the time, is when we have trouble.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:21 am

Everyone’s best buddy Gorman is the one who wrote that piece about Pitt’s toughness.

Comment by Nick 01.09.14 @ 11:21 am

Note that ESPN replaced Rotheram with Dorian Johnson on the All_bowl ACC team (and apologized in parenthesis)

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Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 11:23 am

It’s also deflects any criticism of Gottfried’s coaching if he just spews out. That they were just tougher than us.

And Gottfried was seriously outcoached in that game.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:24 am

Former Pitt target, Jon Severe with 35 pts on 7-12 3pt shooting in Fordham’s loss to Duquesne last night. Lombardi’s not happy.

Comment by alcofan 01.09.14 @ 11:25 am

Well said Emel, but toughness is also fighting for every loose ball and rebound and playing tight defense. Traits we still have.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:26 am

GC I have no disrespect for UVA, but I am extremely confident they won’t win at the Pete and we don’t have to play them at their house. UNC is 2 full games back of us this morning and probably 3 by the weekend. They have the players, All Americans galore , but they suck. You are under the media hypnosis if you think UNC is going to finish higher than Pitt. How does a team that need not recruit, because they get almost anyone they invite, ever lose? If Dixon ever gets their talent he could go undefeated.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:27 am

Among the national hoops journalists, Jamie Dixon is probably closest with Andy Katz. He likes our program and mentions it probably more than any other journo. He was at MSG last month amicably chatting with Dix and other folks. I think he’s as fair and balanced a hoops reporter as they come. His short video earlier in the season explaining our OOC scheduling challenges is a perfect example of his candid relationship with Dixon and effort to explain something from behind the scenes.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.09.14 @ 11:28 am

wbb, Hilarious. Those that think Boyd should be on the list, who would you take off?

Spirit, your previous posts said that VA would be a no brainer, while we should win it won’t be easy.

I didn’t say NC would finish higher than us, I said they still will be a tough team to beat when we play them.

I just don’t see us running roughshod through the ACC. I think we can finish 1,2 or 3, but we will have to do it on the court and it won’t be as easy as you make it sound.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:34 am

The one thing with UNC, is their play depends a lot on the play of Marcus Paige their PG.

He’s been averaging 17 ppg but in the last two losses he’s only had 8 points against Miami on get this, 2 of 15 FG’s, 11 of which were 3’s.

In the Wake Forest loss he was almost as bad with again 8 points on only 3 of 12 FG attempts and of those 1 of 8 from 3.

But I wouldn’t write the Tarholes off yet. I’ve seen them terrible in January before and then a completely different team by March.

They still have great players, Paige is in a shooting slump now. I don’t think it lasts forever or Huckleberry Hound will replace him.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:37 am

I think that Wright and Robinson are a couple real thugs in the scrums but I don’t think this team is particularly tough either. Cincinnati was tough. These ACC teams think it is the junior NBA and are willing to let the star power not play defense unless they feel like it. That is how UNC beats Michigan St. and loses to Belmont. We play defense because Dixon insists on it. Clowns like Gorman can’t understand the difference because they don’t know much about hoops. His buddy Dejan is even worse.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:40 am

Gc, fighting for every loose ball and defense are hustle not toughness. Toughness is Krauser popping the Villanova guards eye out.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:44 am

Btw Tyler Boyd had a better bowl game than Crowder of Duke. Tyler had more yards receiving, a much great average per catch.


We and he got screwed on the NFL all bowl team as well.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:44 am

By the way I like Gorman as a writer, but he shouldn’t have an AP vote considering the justification he gave. Has he watched any games other than the Cinci loss? Why does that one loss hold so much weight?

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:45 am

yep sos22 Cincy now,,,, they really out toughed us.

Heck we had like 23 more points from the line in that game, still lost.

Pitt is more of a team rebounding team. Need all 5 guys on the boards.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:47 am

@Emel, I am not saying they won’t win a lot of games but they have too many flaws to contend. They were only picked to finish 3rd when Hairston was coming back and after this start I think you can at least aim the fork in their direction. they are poor at the foul line with more fouls being called as well. I don’t smell any miracle turnaround forthcoming.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:48 am

@ gc

I did a followup email with him yesterday concerning why he had Oregon at #17 or 18. Since one of the reasons he said PITT didn’t belong was because they hadn’t faced anyone in the Top 25.

My email yesterday pointed out that until Jan. 5th, Oregon had faced no one in the Top 25 either yet you have them #17 this week and #10 last week.

Again they had played no one in the Top 25 until Jan 5th when they promptly lost to Colorado.

Got no response from him.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:51 am

Emel, maybe cause it was Bowling Green, also not sure that punt returns are factored in.

No doubt Boyd had a bigger impact on our game, but there were a couple FSU receivers that deserve consideration as well. Winning catch in the big game.

Good one Spirit

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:51 am

He obviously can not defend his position logically and definitely not to our satisfaction.

Just hate to see the anti Pitt bias at home.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 11:54 am

@Emel, Our rebounding concerns me, we have to improve there or some night they won’t be dropping and it will get ugly again. Robinson and Wright help there but our freshman don’t have the Big East rebounding experience. The foul line improvement is sweet though and we don’t turn it over.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 11:55 am

#21 (coaches poll) Mizzou got beat by a middling Georgia team(7-6) last nite at home.

That frees up one spot in the Coaches Poll next week.

#23 (AP poll) Illinois got crushed by Wisky 95-70, however they aren’t ranked in the Coaches poll, where Pitt was only 1 vote from being #25.
They were getting less votes than Pitt at #32.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 11:57 am

@ gc…what’s really crazy about that Gorman vote, he had Oregon as high as #10 the previous week despite them not playing a ranked team.

But that’s his big beef with PITT. Not having played a ranked team.

What a joke, purely Penn State bias. Or Phil Knight sends him free Nike’s.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 12:00 pm

right sos22

perhaps JD is hoping that Uchebo might be able to provide some help by end of Feb. although he looks a little gimpy. If Uchebo could get back into playing shape and could contribute some effective minutes at Center, you slide Z over to the 4 during parts of a game if you were having rebounding trouble and wanted to go BIG.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 12:03 pm

The Blair, fields, young team.. choked… not to the fault of any particular player….but they were up late in the game and blew it. It happens.. .just happens to Pitt a lot !

Also Villanova was uncanny from the free throw line.
I would say the team had the talent for a final four.. but as most know.. luck factors in as well. and Pitt and lady luck are not on the best terms.
Ask Nasir Robinson.

Comment by Snala The Panther 01.09.14 @ 12:03 pm

I texted Gorman twice pointing out how all the computers had us ranked and pointing out his bias, and told him we would handle 6 of his picks easily. He texted me back that “you are now hurting your cause”- I figure he is just trying to do his job and I intend to leave him alone from here. Next week he has to rank us and when he does I am going to let him Know he is 2 weeks late. He has UNC 22 ,Ill 17, Mizzu 18, UMass 25 so after last night if he doesn’t rank us he looks stupid to everyone, not just us.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:07 pm

@Snala, Every dog has his day, so we have one coming. I hope I live long enough for the one that falls our way.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:10 pm

I guess cause we have been the Charlie Brown around here for so long that the writers love to join in.

Now that the Pirates are back, we are it.

They jumped all over us when we lost to FSU saying same old Pitt. They were too dumb to recognize they were looking at the National Championship team. But it played well with the story line.

When we won our bowl game, it was only Bowling Green, true but why focus on the negative.

It doesn’t matter that Jamie has the one of the best records and we have Big East Titles and an Elite Eight, missing the final four by the slimmest margin. We are known for no final four.

We have underperformed a little in the Big Dance and have a couple bad losses and that is what they prefer to write about.

Some of it is human nature, many more comments on here when we lose rather than win. It does seem to be more than that. We are 14-1.

What other 14-1 team that has been to the dance as often as us is not rated?

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 12:12 pm

spirit, so what he is saying, you are hurting your cause says that he is biased, and does not vote based on facts.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 12:16 pm

Snala, Your memory of the Fields team is wrong however. Pitt fought back from a last 2 minute 5 point deficit to tie and then lose tough. Pitt doesn’t have any history of blowing late leads as you claim. Your claim that it happens a lot is not true either. We bow out early a lot but not as you describe.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:16 pm

On the bias against Pitt until postseason success… I don’t think a final 4 is absolutely necessary. The issue is not just our best teams falling short; it’s every single team. Seriously, have we EVER outperformed what our seed was in the NCAAs? I can’t remember a single time.

Point being that if we end up with a 5 seed and make a run to the Elite 8, that will start to rub off the stigma. A Final Four basically eliminates it totally, but it’s not 100% necessary to start to kick that stigma.

Comment by Big Time 01.09.14 @ 12:16 pm

Gc , The reason the bias thing bugs him is he is too dumb to realize that he has bias and he doesn’t have enough basketball knowledge to get it right anyway. So he thinks I am just some wacked out Pitt fan pestering him until he votes my way. That is the one area that I might agree with him.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:20 pm

Big Time, I feel the other way, Final 4 might not be enough.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:24 pm

Definitely not good at one and done.

I hope we all realize if we lose on Saturday, Gorman will have his revenge.

That is how weak our position is.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 12:28 pm

Emel, My guess is if Uchebo is able to help next year we will be lucky. He looks like the injury will never be right to me. Maybe with a lot of guts the kid can overcome it but I think he has Barbarro syndrome. I’m no doctor but big guys extremities can be unfixable at times. The question is how effective can he be hobbled?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:31 pm

Reportedly, Franklin offered Penn State job.

If it happens… Happy Valley stands to be a lot happier in the long run with Franklin that it would have ever been with O’Brien… and that REALLY STINKS.

Oh well.

Comment by PittofDreams 01.09.14 @ 12:32 pm

WE are right , he is wrong and we will abuse Wake Forest.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:33 pm

I agree that if pitt were to win some people would say it’s just a down year for the acc but that said what are they supposed to do…. Just play he teams on the schedule win the conference regular season and tourney then laugh at the critics all the way to the bank

Comment by Carey 01.09.14 @ 12:38 pm

@Carey, It’s not some of the people it is all the media including our local clowns.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 12:51 pm

Those who vote in theses rankings and awards (media and coaches) all have an agenda. Some have their own criteria that they use, others where they work, live, went to school, buddy up with or how their fellow writers vote (peer pressure). Some may even not watch the teams or players and certainly not all the ones they vote for. I like computers but they are subject to their programmers.

Comment by Frank MD 01.09.14 @ 12:57 pm

My memory of the game vs Villanova was that Jerome Dixon made a key turnover which led directly to a quick basket by Nova .. and turned a Pitt lead into a deficit.

Fields made a pair of free throws with 5 second left to tie the game.

Nova, which beat Duke 2 nights earlier by 22, was playing well and made 21 of 22 free throws. Nova, like UConn and UNC, often seems to peak at tourney time … something that can’t be said about for Pitt teams in the past decade.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 12:59 pm

Just imagine if Ped State had had the basketball success PITT’s enjoyed over the last 13 years.

That’s all we need to know about the local turds.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:05 pm

Pitt let that little Villimanilli guard go around them like they were pylons and then Gilbert Brown stood there like a statue and let that twerp get off a pretty easy look.

He should have swatted it, he was 5 inches taller than the V. twerp.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:07 pm

The other thing that strikes me about that game, Sam Young was just spectacular. But of CBS announcers didn’t get too excited. Naturally.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:09 pm

@WBB, did they miss a free throw, and please change the subject.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 1:09 pm

But of course….^^^

Ever notice how the crud announcers get some excitement in their voices while describing a play for their fav teams. But not so much, no matter how spectacular for their non-fav’s.

I know you do !

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:11 pm

Yea let’s not relive that game again.

The relative point is the local media’s almost campaign of promoting PITT’s supposed lackluster non-con, when in truth, we don’t know how good Stanford and Cincy might end up becoming.

Cincy should be ranked now, imo after they crushed then #18 Memphis the other day. And they are on on the cusp at #26 in AP. Funny enough the Coaches poll has them at only #33.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:16 pm

Just continue to win most of your regular season games, compete to win your conference every year and let March be March. That’s the JD way. I’m fine with that, frankly. In about three years, we will finally have the offensive talent to win six straight in March. Until then, enjoy the ride. We will put a banner in the gym someday, and it will be more than a Final Four.

Comment by PaulyP 01.09.14 @ 1:18 pm

When we beat Stanford by 21 pts, they were supposed to be no good.

But yet they beat (at that time) #10 Uconn who is always a media darling and seems to have been vastly overranked most of the season.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:19 pm

If we look back on our March’s over the last 143 years.

We’ve only done well when we’ve had high seeds.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:21 pm

lol 13 years

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:22 pm

Not being an angry Pitt fan, calling it like I see it.

1. PSU, if true, probably got a good coach, if a PSU fan, I’d be happy.

2. How long’s he gonna be there?? Can see him gone in a couple years. If I’m a PSU fan, not so happy.

Comment by Dan 01.09.14 @ 1:22 pm

It only feels like 143 years!!!

Comment by Dan 01.09.14 @ 1:23 pm

There is a site called College Basketball Talk and some writer named Robert Dauster writes the report of last nights UNC Miami game from this angle. “Can anyone be surprised that the Heels lost last night to Miami” and of course he goes on to announce that they will most certainly beat the Orange this weekend. Taking this perspective makes it sound way less embarrassing for UNC diminishes what Miami accomplished and makes it sound as if the only team deciding the Syracuse game is UNC. This is exactly the type of bias BS that we get a steady diet of and Syracuse is getting a taste because they aren’t tobacco road either. Right Robert UNC decides who and when they win and lose and the rest of us are just candles in their wind. A big overhyped blowhard wind.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 1:24 pm

More problems for Vandy.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Vanderbilt will be without leading scorer Eric McClellan the rest of the season after the point guard was suspended for the spring semester for violating academic policy.

Coach Kevin Stallings now has just seven scholarship players left. He lost four players during the offseason with last season’s leading scorer Kedren Johnson suspended from the university for a year. Stallings also lost center Josh Henderson after eight games to a knee injury.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:27 pm

lol Dan-o….yea that must have been some subliminal typing by me. :-)

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:28 pm


Comment by Dan 01.09.14 @ 1:35 pm

@emel , Do you think Dixon is here for life?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 1:45 pm

Mine or his ?

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 1:46 pm

@Emel, Seinfeld couldn’t have delivered it better!


Comment by Dan 01.09.14 @ 1:51 pm

I’d have to beieve that if Dixon was going to leave, he would have done it by now. I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t retire here

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 1:55 pm

EMel That was aclassic

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 1:58 pm

As for the one-and-done tournament – something I heard on the pregame to the Maryland game – it may have been Julius Page who said it – is that coaching wins you games when you (a) are familiar with your opponent and/or (b) have time to prepare. He implied that talent wins in a tournament situation because you don’t have the time to study film and game plan. With Pitt, that is where the NBA-ready player on the other team becomes a turning point.

Can’t say I argure his point.

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.09.14 @ 2:01 pm

Maybe the more pertinent question is if Slice is here for life.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 2:02 pm

I seem to be in the minority here but I’d much prefer to quietly continue to earn our stripes. We beat two mediocre conference opponents, guys. I don’t remember any of you screaming for national recognition after beating St. John’s or Seton Hall or USF. Just relax and let’s keep winning. We’re a long ways from the end of the season.

We had a chance to make our mark against Cincinnati and promptly blew it. Our time will come, just stop trying to rush it prematurely. Outside of key leadership (LP, Zanna) this team is very young and still learning to play together. Let them improve under the radar rather than strangling their confidence if we were to lose as a ranked team.

Comment by MikePitt 01.09.14 @ 2:15 pm

@WBB your point is excellent and I think that having left and come back makes this a long term scenario. Slice took his run at the head slot and that isn’t for everyone. Does the name Fazio ring a bell? I think he is one great assistant though.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 2:17 pm

Interesting point Keyboard, scary though in that I don’t see any NBA bound players on our current roster.

Apologies to the freshman, they have a lot of time to prove me wrong.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 2:39 pm

Mikepitt, Can’t buy into your “strangle their confidence theory.” On of the key elements of Dixon’s recruiting is taking players from winning programs because they expect success. About the time we start that type of cajoling is when the wheels come off. I think 17+ point differential says more about any mark we are leaving than a blown 1 point loss to a tough team. The first 5 minutes of the NC St game were ugly. That is the price we played for not playing on the road. In the following 75 minutes we have beat a couple of upper mid pack ACC teams by about 50 points. Wake Forest is about to get abused before we work over Georgia Tech. We have earned our stripes in the last decade and have every right to complain when others aren’t giving us the same consideration others routinely get. Moaning is almost a site requirement as well. Let the Panther out of the bag.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 2:42 pm

Emel, I’m with you about the toughness and strength stuff. That stuff has been way in the past. Pitt struggles mightly against teams that grind it out with D. Think teams like ND, Cinci and Witchita St. But Pitt absolutely tears apart free wheeling teams that don’t play D like MD because Pitt is so well coached.

I don’t care about rankings. Pitt just needs to stack the wins to make sure they get seeded high enough come March.

Comment by Wardapalooza 01.09.14 @ 2:47 pm

Don’t put the Moloch on us Spirit

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 2:48 pm

Cheers!! Here’s to not laying an egg Saturday and making all of this talk non-relevant!!!

Comment by Dan 01.09.14 @ 3:12 pm

We don’t lose at the Pete. When you don’t lose at the Pete the Blatherites get cocky. When the Blatherites get cocky conservative fans get nervous. When conservatives get nervous lberals get elected. When liberals get elected you lose your healthcare. Don’t get stuck without healthcare beat Wake Forest by 20+

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 3:50 pm

so if Pitt wins by 17, do we still get to keep our healthcare?

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 4:08 pm

BTW spirit, you wrote that when we don’t lose at home, Blatherites get cocky which causes conservatives to get nervous … thus, we should lose to keep our healthcare.

You indeed have the logic of a politician.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 4:13 pm

lol sos22

The GOP national committee should hire you !

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:24 pm

@WBB If you like leading the ACC you can keep your lead in the ACC.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 4:26 pm

NC State was maligned locally I believe after we beat them. Naturally.

So they promptly go into South Bend and beat Notre Dame who had just beaten the Dookies.

Wake will be maligned after Sat. as well most certainly.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:27 pm

O’Reilly should be retiring sometime in the not so distant future … maybe spirit could move right in. And instead of waving the US flag (a la Hannity), he could wave the Pitt banner.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 4:28 pm

“And that means their success is going to be tied directly to rebounding, defense and pace of the game. When the Panthers control those three things, as they usually do, they will win an overwhelming majority of the time.

That’s what North Carolina State discovered Saturday as the Panthers turned what started out as a track meet quickly into a battle of will and patience, and in that kind of game, the Wolfpack had no chance. ”

Based on these 2 paragraphs one would assume Pitt rolled the game, back to a crawl.

I don’t know what game Zeise was watching, but Pitt blew open the game in the 2nd half, playing fast paced transition basketball.

There seems to be an effort to keep PITT being described as slow plodding team who can’t run with anybody. Yes/No ?

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:32 pm

I can see it now it now a late life career as a publics servant. My platform -a lap dance for every seat-

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 4:34 pm

and then immediately in that article the Gottfried quotes:

“My first thought, they out-toughed us,” said North Carolina State coach Mark Gottfried after the Panthers handed the Wolfpack a 74-62 loss before a crowd of 14,049 at PNC Arena.

“They were tougher than our team was. They defended us tougher than we defended them, they got after loose balls — our young guys better learn at this level, if we’re going to win, it is real simple, we have to be a lot tougher than we were [Saturday].

“We just did not respond to their aggressiveness in the second half, we turned it over and part of that is being tougher with the basketball. When the ball was loose, they [dived] on the floor and we didn’t.”

Read more: link to

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:35 pm

I just reread that entire article, there is not a line, not a word, about how PITT blew the score up from an 8 point halftime deficit to a 13 point lead.

Pitt sped up the game in the decisive 2nd half, as I noted in other posts most of the baskets by far were quickly made in transition.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:37 pm

See it’s like they want this set image of Pitt out there, and even when it’s in their face, watching it, they don’t want to admit it.

It’s creating a false reality and by damn the heck with what we see right in front of our faces.

This is the way Pitt plays and that’s it.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:40 pm

@EMEL- That’s what pisses them off the most. We out run ’em and they get all mad at each other. Did you see how testy things got on the Maryland bench during the last couple minutes. That’s how you know it was a complete beat down. That is the kind of thing that says more than score or record. We have a very good team.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 4:40 pm

Today’s Pitt headline in the TRib.

Pitt’s physicality on defense makes impression on ACC

Read more: link to

This is one of the least physical PITT teams I can remember. Yet we are going to get that image rammed down our collective throats.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:43 pm

right sos22

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:45 pm

We actually were very sloppy in transition late at NC St. If we would have handled the ball a little better we would have won by 20. Keep in mind we were down 17 after 5 minutes. That is a 29 point swing from there, and it could have been more. Maryland hung in for 15 or 16 minutes before we started to make headway. Wake Forest and GTECH will be more of the same. We get the next test in the dome.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 4:46 pm

They’ve always had that toughness approach,” Vitale said. “I think it started with Ben Howland and passed on to Jamie (Dixon), that physical approach and mental toughness that they bring every day. You’re really going to have to compete to get good shots against them.

Then this stuff gets passed on to the national media and it goes on and on in perpetuity.

We had to be very physical with those Howland teams as our talent level was far below other top teams. Suggesting that, like Vitale does, suggest we still have that talent level.

I think if you woke these guys in the middle of the night from a deep sleep. Those utterances would come out of their mouths.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:49 pm

@Emel It is just another way of damning us with false praise. What would it say of the ACC if they had to admit we were out hustling and out running and out shooting them. Remember who we are. We don’t have talent and can’t recruit. We are a bunch of slow clumsy thug types that aren’t really as good as their record which is built by playing patsies.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 4:53 pm

“There are certain programs that get certain labels that help them big-time psychologically. … The mindset is where you’re at a negative before you ever start playing, and I think that Pittsburgh has that, that label of being tough.”
And if that trademark toughness takes its toll on their opponents?
Well, that’s just tough.

I think they missed the games that ND, Cincy & Wichita State out toughed us.

We don’t have Ontario Lett, Chevy Troutman or Toree Morris anymore.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:54 pm

exactly sos22.

They continue to perpetuate their false reality, whether it’s true or not.

PITT can be only sub rate talent and therefore…..

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:56 pm

Haven’t heard too many times in the games, we lost a freshman NBA lottery pick from last year’s team.

See that doesn’t fit the false reality they created.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 4:57 pm

To these ACC guys we must be like Georgetown a decade ago. I think most of the conference is too lazy to play defense and Dixon makes a living in that void. In a season or 2 they will be copying the style. Wichita St beat us at our game last year then dismantled Gonzaga scared the crap out of Louisville. That could happen here.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:06 pm

I think the beautiful girl, in the tightest of tight red dresses, that’s in the ad for the “one weird trick to stay asleep” in the above right corner, just spoke to me.

Comment by Dan 01.09.14 @ 5:10 pm

ACC use to have quite a few good coaches besides Coach Alphabets and Dean Smith/Huckleberry Hound.

Not so much anymore. Larranaga at Miami is pretty good I guess although Miami was 5th year senior laden last year. And he is 64 yrs old now.

They guy at FSU is alright, nothing extraordinary.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:11 pm

haha Dan-o

what she say……

I don’t have her, which begs the question,..what kind of websites have you been to …today. :-)

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:12 pm

I don’t know, I think Robinson, Wright and Young are all pretty tough. Patterson is no slouch and Zanna is working on it. This team is way better at moving the ball and finishing, but they still play defense first.

The only concern I have is that they have not played enough games where the lead changes numerous times late in the game. When they win a few buzzer beaters is when we will know how tough they are. Knight and Fields had ice water in their veins. Robinson showed it a couple times last year, but this team is totally untested.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 5:13 pm

Emel, You caused a flashback. The year the Orange won the national championship we played a late season game in the dome and won by 20 +. We were kicking the snot out of them in the 2nd half and the all pro freshman Mellow grabs a loose ball and comes flying down the court flashing NBA speed until he ran into a stationary Ontario Lett standing like a brick wall in the middle of the lane. Lett didn’t even blink or move at all while they had to half carry the freshman star to the bench. It was like something on a roadrunner cartoon.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:15 pm

Actually the one time they were tested they blew it.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 5:15 pm

I hate agreeing with professional CBB clown Vitale on anything, but the mental vs. physical toughness makes more sense than the grinding physical kind of tough (not necessarily what he’s getting at). Ziese also noted that Pitt feasts on teams like NC St that don’t value posessions and sling the ball all over the court. The one consistent thread for Pitt is a mostly disciplined style of play, and that requires a certain degree of maturity and mental toughness. That’s a shock to some teams, probably more so in ACC than recent BE play.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.09.14 @ 5:18 pm

Tony Bennett at UVA is supposed to be an up & comer. Had a really good year at WAZU, several years ago.

They play very slowly, grinder half court. 309th in ppg.

Got sped up at Tenn, and got crushed. 87-52.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:21 pm

Agree gc…Wright and Robinson will dive for loose balls, that kind of tough. Patterson plays pretty tough for his size especially offensively.

I hope JD continues to use 10 men, as those guys off the bench have been impressive in the first 2 conf. games. 31 points off the bench against the Twerps and while we only got 11 off the bench against the Wolfpack, all 11 came in the 1rst half and helped keep Pitt in the game.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:27 pm

Robinson and Wright hold there own in a scrum but Krauser would pop out an eye on a loose ball. Inside we won’t be tossing any Thabeets around. I think we are one of the softest Pitt teams in recent memory. Mental toughness is a different matter. Nobody has Fields type icewater but I bet Robinson would be pretty deadly inside 10 seconds and I like Patterson to score if he has to. Where I worry is if we get stuck having to defend at the end without the ability to foul like in NY.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:27 pm

Glad I could help sos22.

Nothing like a good flashback, a good pour and a good woman !

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:29 pm

What’s the average reading level for Pitt men’s hoops and football? I’m guessing it’s well above 3rd grade level. Do UNC athletes sign their LOIs with an X?

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.09.14 @ 5:29 pm

oh and a good cigar !

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:29 pm

GC as I stated at the time I blame Dixon for not getting us the last shot. I knew they would score. Patterson screwed up but I think he isn’t likely to do it again.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:31 pm

@ Ghost

They’re all regular rocket scientists…….
….. what else 1

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:33 pm

Emel, I count 8 and a half, where are you getting 10?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:34 pm

Wish we we’re playing tonite.

Ready to rock & roll.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:35 pm

an 18-21 year old reading at 3rd grade level is pretty much functionally illiterate. I’m not saying we all need to be Stanford, but isn’t reading one of those basic skills you need to own to be in college?

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.09.14 @ 5:35 pm

who’s the half ? lol

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:36 pm

and those UNC players will catch more grief in Chappel Hill for losing to Wake than for not being able to read!

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.09.14 @ 5:36 pm

@ sos22
We got 4 pretty good minutes out of Chris Jones at NC State (and surprising I might add) in the 1rst half.

He didn’t score cause he didn’t shoot, but had 2 big steals and an assist, when the freshmen and him helped PITT come back from 17-2.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:38 pm

@GOH< I don't know about the football team but our hoop team does great. Ko, Areonko ,and lezak are academic scholarships medicine and mathematics. zanna and Patterson are working on a second degree. Wright and Robinson are very good students and I don't know about Johnson and the freshman but assume they do well too. Dixon has a great record graduating our kids. I like that.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:39 pm

Jones he has a badly injured hand and would be getting way more minutes if healthy. He will get an operation in the off season and he has already used his redshirt. Dixon supposedly loves the kid and he was said to have tore it up at Greentree.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:41 pm

Kolodziej was an assistant last season to former strength coach Todd Rice, who resigned. “Our goal is to reassert the Pitt program among the very best in college football,” Kolodziej said. …

Was Kolo really on the staff last year ?

Haven’t read that before, I don’t think. ???

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:42 pm

Well he has a good goal. Goal’s are always good.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:44 pm

% starter Johnson,nuke, artis and jones 8 and a half. I wish it were 10 Arweonko lost his Mom recently and missed some time but he is good enough to provide a temporary fix in a pinch so maybe we can call it 9 but I don’t see ten and It’s more like 8.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:47 pm


Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:48 pm

Randall gets his minutes here and there. As long as the games aren’t close you could use him more.

Can surprise you on occasion. So with him & Jones, gets you up to 10.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:51 pm

Randall has the 4rth most rebounds on the team at 57. In a lot less minutes.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:55 pm

Randall looks to me to have been demoted but it can change from game to game. I stand corrected that makes 10. Our 10 is more like 8 and that ‘s fine as long as 6-8 keep playing so well. What happened to Detrik Mostella ?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 5:57 pm

Don’t know if you guys saw this. Andy Katz’s latest video report on Pitt !

link to

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 5:59 pm

Good question sos22.

I heard he’s up at Notre Dame prep. I think we’re trying to stash him there, get his grades up for next year.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:00 pm

If our 79% FT shooting star drains a couple FTs, we’re undefeated and ranked in the teens. Not sure if this team is as tough as others, but they certainly have a way to suck ass on the line when it counts like Pitt teams from the past.

Robinson has the DNA to be a Pitt PG hero…let’s give him some time to show us. In the NC State game, he stepped up and stole the ball and made his only shot of the game to essentially seal the game. It was sign. Maybe more to come?

Comment by PaulyP 01.09.14 @ 6:01 pm

Detrick Mostella, 2014, Notre Dame Prep (Mass.): This was the ultimate two halves performance. Mostella was awful in the first half, making just one shot. However, he made several key 3-pointers in the second half. Finished with an impressive 29-point, seven-rebound line. He’s headed to Pitt.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:06 pm

Somebody alluded to this earlier I believe:

link to

Not that I care much who they hire, unless it’s Nick Saban or Jon Gruden. lol

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:08 pm

@ Pauly

I think late in the games when we’re in the bonus, teams will let JR drive to the hole rather than put him on the line.

Not so much earlier in games when we’re not in the bonus.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:10 pm

After reading all day, I have come to the conclusion the our football team will be…….


and the basketball team will either be …..

“TOUGH” or maybe “PITT-TUFF”

Comment by CompLit 01.09.14 @ 6:11 pm

Emel, The katz spin is what I was bitching about this morning. He says that DIXON thinks he has an ACC contender. Dixon would never say that and it is his left handed way of acknowledging us while not admitting to thinking we are any good. They don’t want to admit we are a contender and won’t until they have to. A Syracuse guy is posting on the Pitt game conversation how they are hoping we get recognized. They are going through the same BS to a lesser degree. The last thing tobacco road wants to see is Syracuse and Pitt on top. These guys are like family to espn.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 6:12 pm

I’d like to see Randall get more time, but with Zanna, Young and Artis, Jamie has his hands full giving everyone deserved PT.

He has been going to a smaller line up more often to give Newkirk more time. Nice problem to have.

I would like to see him rest Zanna and Patterson more often when they aren’t needed saving their legs for the long run.

In his mind, maybe he is already doing it.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 6:13 pm

I guess this is old news but it talks a lot about Pitt

link to

Comment by Frank MD 01.09.14 @ 6:17 pm

FRANKMD Read back about 5 posts we were just discuusing this clip.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 6:22 pm

UVa under Bennett plays that prodding style of offense that may cause us problems but don’t think they are nearly as physical as Cincy.

Emel, ka-la-gee was indeed the assistant S&C coach under Rice at Pitt this year. In fact, I have the FB Program for FSU game and his picture and brief bio is shown on Page 59.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 6:23 pm

@ wbb

Now does that help Kolo or hurt him ? lol

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:34 pm

Syracuse really ?
Kind of hard to believe, they’re ranked #2.

The guy on their broadcast last nite vs VT, was creaming his pants over Cuse.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:36 pm

Back to football,,,,the man speaks !

“The ACC qualified two teams for BCS bowls this year and won both, including the national title game. Eleven of the 14 teams played in bowls,” Chryst said matter-of-factly Wednesday. “This is an outstanding football league that provides us with great competition, bowl opportunities and recruiting territories.”

Let’s open up some more recruiting territories.
Like the Carolinas and Georgia. And more out of Florida. ! H2P

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 6:47 pm

I was never more embarrassed as a representative of Pitt as when Krauser stuck his long nail in that ‘Nova player’s eye.

Comment by steve1 01.09.14 @ 7:04 pm

Hey I actually found a couple experts that rank teams and gives PITT some due respect.

John Gassaway ESPN insider has us at #20
Seth Greenberg ESPN has us at #25.

link to

Seth was at Pitt under Evans, yes ?

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:11 pm

Emel, The Syracuse guys know what we are,as well as we know them. They are worried that if we come up and kick their Orange behinds around the Dome without being ranked it could hurt their chances. This is a team we beat 2/3’s of the time over the last 10 years. They aren’t fooled by any poll. They also aren’t sure about their own team at this point. In some ways they haven’t played as well as us. We haven’t struggled against any bad teams like they have and our margin of victory over better mid level teams has their attention too. If UNC beats The Orange on Saturday it is because the Orange are a pretend Aligator too. When was the last time we didn’t beat Syracuse at least once in a year? When was the last time we didn’t win or give them a handful? Why would this year be any different. Of all the fans in the country none know Pitt any better than the Orange.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 7:11 pm

yep sos22

exactly my thoughts that I was going to relate earlier, got sidetracked. Cuse fans don’t want to lose to an unranked Pitt, so therefore they’d like us ranked before we play them.

Pisses me off to no end how in Year 1 of the ACC they get to enter as the big ranked team, and we get to enter as…..the unranked nothing team.

Your right we own them in the regular season, last 13 years. They know it too !

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:14 pm

Still don’t understand these other ESPN voters.

ESPN’s own BPI, which is right on the front page of their website, ON A 24/7 going basis, had PITT at #5.

So just how do these ESPN ppl disregard their OWN ranking system? Boggles the mind and shows the politics involved. Much like Gorman.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:18 pm

Believe Seth Greenberg worked at Pitt under Roy Chipman.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.09.14 @ 7:20 pm

right cas….slipped my mind him & Calipari were responsible for Charles Smith, & Jerome Lane, maybe D. Gore as well.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:22 pm

I’m surprised with Andy Katz’s vote on that link, voters 7-10.

Since he talks us up on these video’s a little yet doesn’t think we’re one of the Top 25 teams in the country.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:25 pm

Emel Got to love the spin on the spot you just listed.” The reason Duke has struggled is they are one of the teams most affected by the rules changes.” Aren’t those the same rule changes the Whole conference was warning us about when they picked us 6th. Duke was picked first too weren’t they. Too bad these geniuses couldn’t have seen this problem coming back then and warned the Dukies too.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 7:25 pm

Emel Andy isn’t stepping out on any Pitt limb, but he did notice that Dixon thinks we are a contender. In my wildest dreams I can’t picture Jamie ever making such a statement.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 7:28 pm


Yes they do seem to have ‘ready made’ excuses for their fav teams like the Dookies.

Much like ‘talking points’ that pols have, they have for these teams as well. And we know what the talking points are for Pitt, year in and year out.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:37 pm

A contender,,,,,brings this to mind…

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Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 7:46 pm

Jumping into this thread with this: Just got done listening to the “Mark Turgeon Show” down here in Maryland and all I got to hear was an hour of how they played so poorly both to a man and as a team. NO RESPECT offered for the Pitt defense or any of the Pitt players or anything else except for the great atmosphere at the Pete supporting Pitt.

Now I am really looking forward to the rematch at Maryland’s Comcast Center and Pitt had better come ready to play and not let me go home embarrassed.


Comment by TVax 01.09.14 @ 8:46 pm

Wake Forest is listed as #19 in rebounding but have been badly out rebounded in their last 2 games. I think we are going to abuse the Demon deacons.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.09.14 @ 8:49 pm

A score to consider from tonight:

Memphis 74 Louisville 67

Comment by isnore 01.09.14 @ 9:17 pm

Correction 73-67 Pitino and Petrino the “wholesome” twins.

Comment by isnore 01.09.14 @ 9:19 pm

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where’s the SI cover story here? If I reading this correctly, at least 3 or 4 of the players involved in this rape incident were Franklin recruits.

I’m not implying at all that Franklin covered up anything, although there is a mention here that he may of, but if Pitt is going to be criticized for mostly off-campus activities, maybe the same should hold for a heinous dormitory incident.

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 9:21 pm

right TVax

I read something about the Pitt/Twerp game from their perspective and right, no credit that PITT is almost unbeatable at The Pete or that PITT’s program is one of the better ones around.

Now see, that’s where had we been ranked say #18 r so, they could have just said, they hey we lost to Pitt and they’re really good, etc.

Although Turgeon was quoted as saying Pitt was as good as any team MD faced this year, which includes #3 Ohio Fake.

Btw #24 Memphis won, over #12 L-Ville, so they won’t be falling out of the rankings. Had a feeling after their beatdown from Cincy, that was gonna happen. AAC needs as many teams in the rankings. Sort of share the wealth….lol

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 9:34 pm

A school like Vanderbilt isn’t usually considered one that has a lot of incidents.

They must have lowered their academic stds significantly for their football program to compete slightly in the SEC.

They had some good timing one might say, Tenn has been in turmoil for a several years and another team in their division hasn’t been nearly up to snuff. That of course being Florida.

Some of their wins this year include:
Austin Peay (whoop)
Massachusetts (whoop)
UAB (whoop)
Kentucky (whoop)
Tennesshee (per Toupee Holtz)
Wake Forest (23-21) whoop

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 9:43 pm

And sorry but need to mention that Turgeon was NOT on the show due to technical difficulties with his phone connection. Commentary was from the interviewer and responses from an assistant and partially a couple of players. I don’t blame the players as the interviewer (Johnny Holiday?sp.) was leading it all but the asst. coach was complicit.

Comment by TVax 01.09.14 @ 9:46 pm

They did beat Georgia (I believe after UGA lost their QB for season) and previously mentioned Flordia who was 4-8.

They got blown out by both Mizzou & A&M.
BY a combined score of 52-107.

Franklin might want to parlay this into something better, while the gettins good.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 9:47 pm

Can you get a recorded copy of that TVax ??
We can send it to JD for some fodder for the rematch at Twerptown.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 9:50 pm

You never what’s going to come out of Walton’s mouth. “Today is Dick Enberg’s birthday, Happy Birthday, Dick. And it’s Joan Baez’ birthday also”

Comment by wbb 01.09.14 @ 9:50 pm

wbb, that is an incredible story, the comments as usual were enlightening.

Penn State offers this guy a job, how tone deaf can you be?

IMHO, you don’t turn Vanderbilt into an SEC contender without breaking some rules. The NCAA better be on the job, where there is smoke there is usually fire.

I have stated before that I agree with the effort at Pitt to “clean up” the program and to try to win with character guys.

If four Pitt Football players raped a student, I would suggest shutting the program down for a year and cleaning house.

Franklin recruited these guys, may have told someone to erase evidence and Penn State,
offers the guy a job. Where is the outrage?

If I was the father of that girl I would probably be buying a shotgun.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 9:56 pm

Kinda funny, Vanderbilt got moved into the Top 25 sort of out of nowhere. Based on their big 4rth tier bowl Compass Bowl game over another unranked team Houston.

How does that work ?


Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:00 pm

Emel I’m trying not to read to much into your comment about Vanderbilt’s increase in “incidents” being a result of them lowering academic standards. I think you just offended the Duke lacrosse program from a few years back.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 01.09.14 @ 10:04 pm

Anyone think they paid the girl off at Duke? Big money talks.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:06 pm

@ gc

Vanderbilt has been ‘stonewalling’ the investigation, that has been going on for over 7 months. Won’t release text’s between the coaches and players. 4 of the players plead ‘guilty’.

Obfuscate & deny…..wash,rinse,spin,…repeat.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:09 pm

and Franklin gets out of dodge and goes to PSU.

You can’t make this shit up.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:11 pm

That girl at Duke was arrested a few years later for prostitution I believe. Or something on that order.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:13 pm

Which means what…..I don’t know. lol

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:15 pm

I can see it now, Matlock for the defense, Gomer Pyle, prosecutor

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:15 pm

She may have been working and the Dukies refused to pay her.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:16 pm

@ gc

You read the article on CBS ?
About PSU hiring this guy and the implications.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:17 pm

You never hear of the preppie LaCrosse team getting in trouble. That was a one of a kind.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:19 pm

Gomer Pyle or Willie Meggs.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:19 pm

Yea of course it was huge news down here in the Carolinas.

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:20 pm

I haven’t seen it, I’ll look now.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:20 pm

CBS Sports is all over Ped State for this.

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I love it !

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:23 pm

Ped State is probably is using ‘Focus Groups’ now to see if they can get away with hiring him. lo

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:24 pm

Bad call in Happy Valley

Dodd: Sometimes life isn’t fair. But recovering from scandal and climbing out of NCAA purgatory, the one coach Penn State should not hire is James Franklin

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:25 pm

Dennis Dodd is my new hero.

I hope the rest chime in.

He gives him a pass on the cover-up but they didn’t lower the cloak of secrecy for nothing.

My guess is the girl is black or there would have been a whole lot more outrage. It is still the south.

As a PA taxpayer, I got to ask the question “What are they smoking at Penn State” Even medical marijuana is still illegal here. Although not for long when they realize Colorado will generate 100 mill/year in taxes.

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:32 pm

You are on your own Emel, goodnight

Comment by gc 01.09.14 @ 10:34 pm

When old beat writers bash Pitt and kept their jobs for 40 years, they paved the way for the younger writers to bash Pitt as a career preservation tactic. Every time we click on an article written by Gorman, Smuzik and Cookery, they get recognized as being relevant and selling ad space.

I would suggest not clicking on them or buying their newspaper, but be vocal about it. The problem is that being Pitt fans, we are always hoping for something positive, so we read. Don’t read, act!

As far as Pitts current players without nba futures, I wouldn’t be so quick to say we don’t have any. Sam Young immediately comes to mind. Good skills as a freshman. Improvement as a sophomore. Big improvement as a junior. Welcome to the league after his senior season. He developed his game and was a physical specimen at 6’6″. It’s early with our 6’6″ guys. Let’s see how they do!

Shocking that penn state would choose a coach that helped cover up physical assault by his players. It’s wins versus sins fellas. The wins are usually more important to a coach, but not our guy!! One last weird note. Pitt is still top 20 alltime wins in football. We could have been elite if not for the lost 20 years. We might get to 700 wins next year. What a milestone. In reality, we should be at about 730 by now with just one extra win per year over the last 30. Yikes that would be impressive. We would probably be top 12. Now we are at #19 with a 4 game lead over #20.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 01.09.14 @ 10:36 pm

I’m watching the Arizona UCLA game and T.J. McConnel really looks good.

Comment by Justinian 01.09.14 @ 10:39 pm

All good points dhuffdaddy.

Agree with boycotting the locals and not clicking on their articles. Hit em where hit hurts.

Also that’s one thing you’ll never hear any of these broadcasters repeating on any TV broadcasts of Pitt football games. That we are Top 20 all time in wins ! H2P

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:44 pm

Emel, The link wbb posted on the rape above is really damning. Considering everything that occurred at PSU I’m really surprised that they would offer Franklin.

Comment by Justinian 01.09.14 @ 10:44 pm

Agree bigtime Justinian.

They really want to win regardless. A-holes.
Of course we already knew that.

In an effort to limit clicks on the locals articles, as some ppl, would still want to read them, we could just cut & paste their whole articles on here for ppl to read. Thereby denying them of clicks. :-)

Comment by Emel 01.09.14 @ 10:49 pm

Was in Nashville today, flew out this evening. Never thought it would happen, West End Vandy fans hate seeing Franklin leave.

Comment by Old School Panther 01.09.14 @ 10:58 pm

I am sensing an ACC bias not by the officials so far but by some ACC coaches and old boy announcers. Surprised by MD as they leave next year. MD always felt outside the NC group. The new ACC members will change that only by winning.

Comment by Frank MD 01.09.14 @ 11:02 pm

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If this was already posted, I did not see it.
Parrish finally ranks Pitt.

Comment by xfmrman 01.09.14 @ 11:15 pm

Can someone fill me in on how T J McConnel ended up at AZ. Until this year, last time I saw/remembered him was in the city game.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.09.14 @ 11:31 pm

I don’t know….Smizik has been OK to Pitt lately….

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BTW…..Smizik went to Pitt.

Comment by Jackagain 01.09.14 @ 11:49 pm

The big problem with respect for the basketball team, I believe, will come down to REBOUNDING!

It is the only thing Pitt is not the best at in recent games.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 01.09.14 @ 11:55 pm

The Zags & Oregon are both losing. All we gotta do is win Saturday….

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Comment by Jackagain 01.09.14 @ 11:58 pm

Good call Jackagain and called early!!!

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 1:15 am

@ Old Pitt Grad

TJ left the DUKES about the same time that Ron Everhart was canned

Lots of articles of the Internet ==> here is one of them

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Comment by The TRUTH 01.10.14 @ 6:54 am

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This appears to be the biggest FB recruit in the WPIAL next season (in a couple of ways) that we will likely anguish over, but it also shows that high schoolers are rated on potential as well as accomplishment.

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 7:22 am

It would be ironic for the basketball team to have one loss, be barely ranked and go into Syracuse and win. Then what could the pollsters do? Since Pitt is barely ranked they could not move Pitt up more than a handful of places and what to do with Syracuse, likely drop them a spot, but since it’s their first loss maybe just keep them in place.
This is why we should believe the computers, not the biased humans.

Comment by Caw Miller 01.10.14 @ 7:32 am

On another front, those worried about a discontented Michael Young should read the attached. Now there is no doubt that Young was not happy at the times of the 2 tweets, but I wouldn’t worry about him unless we start to see a trend of negative tweets

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Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 7:53 am

Can someone post the MY tweets?

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 9:11 am

Cristine Brennon’s comments from USA Today about the Franklin hire not being the right move for Penn to

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 9:44 am

If PSU is looking for a coach who will continue in the Paterno tradition, then Franklin looks like a prime candidate.

That would be the tradition of looking the other way and covering up when faced with criminal activity by players and staff. But only for the good of the program, of course…

Comment by dinosaur 71 01.10.14 @ 9:54 am

TVax, What’s a Tweet?

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 9:57 am

Old Pitt Grad, according to what I heard, TJ left Duq because he wanted to play in the NCAA’S and didn’t think Duq would ever get there.

Comment by alcofan 01.10.14 @ 9:58 am

It appears FRankin wants out of Nashville, before the trial of 4 of his former players for gang rape of a drugged/unconscious student.

It’s disgusting that a University who’s motto is:
“Making Life Better” would have anything to do, with anyone who’s name is associated with the word, “RAPE”.

Who are these, can I even call them, people ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:03 am

While CBS Sports and USA Today have ‘stepped up to the plate’ to address this subject. Not a peep on the Mickey Mouse Sports Network.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:05 am

Funny thing, I am pretty up to speed with most of these colleges and who’s who during the football season.

They kept this player gang rape incident at Vanderbilt pretty hushed up in the national media until now.

Now I wonder why that would be ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:15 am

@Emel, the girl from the Duke lacrosse case, a one Crystal Mangum, has escalated far further than prostitution.

She took it up a notch last this recent November with a conviction of murder!!!

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 10:19 am

wbb, reading the article with the Young interview sounds like he is ok. Normal adjustment to Jamie Dixon. Patterson was saying the other day that Jamie would not allow him to do what he does now.

Jamie makes them all play disciplined basketball. Probably why we win without many future NBA stars.

Also why the big time prima donnas don’t come here. They just want to run and gun.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 10:21 am

PSU?? Well, they’ve gone from little boys to college age girls??

Hope the coach after Franklin doesn’t own
a sheep farm.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 10:22 am

@ Dan-o

Maybe they should change her name to Crystal Magnum.

As in a .44 Magnum.

This Vandy thing is far different than Duke, they have video of the these scumbag players carrying this girl into the House and then the room. Plus there are witness’s as well and the stupid players even took video of them gangraping her.

You know to brag to their pathetic friends about it. Sick society we live in anymore bro.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:25 am

Oh Emel, yes. Society??

You don’t have to listen very hard to hear the sound of the toilet bowl flushing.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 10:32 am

Typing Crystal into google, her name was listed before the beautiful Crystal Gayle.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:37 am

oh wow, you won’t believe this her middle name is ‘Gail’…to weird.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:38 am

Wonder why Franklin is hesitating to pull the trigger? If he did have a role in the coverup, easier to protect his position if he stays.

He is from PA, maybe he knows he can have much more flexibility in the SEC than Happy Valley.

Just odd though, PSU going public if the deal isn’t done. They appear to be in a no win now.

If he says no they look stupid, if he says yes they look stupid and have to weather the bad publicity. Franklin leaving makes the trial more of a national event. Harder to keep the lid on now.

PSU still has court cases and other legal activity, payoffs to victims to deal with.

How can people with so many degrees be so damn dumb?

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 10:47 am

What a nutcase !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:48 am

He’s probably going over everything with his lawyers I would imagine and the Vanderbilt lawyers and maybe even Ped State lawyers.

From what I read, one of defense lawyers(or the girl’s lawyer) said they were going to subpoena him.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 10:57 am

Maybe Vandy admin threatens to throw Franklin under the rape case bus if he leaves.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 10:58 am

If the anonymous student that allegedly was told by Franklin to delete the rape video agrees to testify…

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 11:00 am

@ wbb

Smizik has that link in his article today, that you posted on here last night.

Which leads me to believe he probably reads The Blather. Doesn’t everyone !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:01 am

Even dear old “Fight On” USC, with all of it’s warts and baggage, decided to not include Franklin in their coaching search.

You wonder, how some of these so called, great minds, in ivory towers, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, could be so stupid.

“it’s not that simple”, a, ya, actually it friggin’ is.

I could see our little group at work, in our very very small pond discussing this if it was relevant to our company.

Would have taken about two seconds. “here’s the candidates”

“what’s this one guy, there was some sort of rape thing going on???”


Ya, it would be that simple. You’re coming off of the biggest scandal in college sports history that had to do with child rape.

Now, one of your initial candidates has some sort of rape story hovering somewhere around him, even if not him, it’s out there in the vicinity.

Is it fair to Franklin, no, probably not (I guess, I don’t know any details), but just the words………

rape, story, Vanderbilt, Penn St new coach,

You can’t have it, you just can’t.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 11:02 am

@ gc

Or he’s trying to get ‘total immunity’ from the local DA thru Vandy, if he stays.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:02 am

You would think Dan-o

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:05 am

Franklin recruited the main rapist(the one who had a date with this girl and brought her unconscious to the Gillette House) from a juco college and the 3 others were I believe were redshirt freshmen.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:08 am

TVax, What’s a Tweet?
Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 9:57 am

IDK, ask wbb.

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 11:10 am

Old Pitt Grad, the story they told on the Arizona-UCLA telecast was the both Sean Miller and T.J. McConnell’s dad were coaches sons from Pittsburgh and were Little Panthers together as kids. So they knew each other well and when T. J. wanted to go elsewhere, Sean Miller was logical choice.

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 11:13 am

If you are trying to put the Sandusky scandal behind you, why, why, why?

I thought they were paying millions to media, and image consultants.

As a Pitt fan it is funny, as a tax paying Pennsylvanian not so much.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 11:14 am

TVax, I suspect it’s something that young players ahould not have at their disposal when drunk, pissed-off, when they just want say something stupid or inappropriate.

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 11:17 am

Patriot News has picked this up, pretty lengthy story. Has a little it of a spin in it.

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Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:19 am

Then there is Louisville our new ACC brothers.

Are you effin kidding me? Have you no self respect?

Bring back a guy that completely screwed you. Last time he left they had to dismiss 21 players from the team to clean up the program.

Good God, How slimy can you get?

It would be like Petey taking Fraud back when he fails at ASU.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 11:20 am

The leadership at Penn State is either moronic, tone def, arrogant, willfully misinformed or desperate. Likely a combination of all of the above.

They can’t hire a coach with any connection at all to a rape, period. There are too many other qualified candidates.

Comment by Boubabcar Aw 01.10.14 @ 11:24 am

@emel, wonder what I was looking up last night??

Now, I’m getting an ad to buy a book about the

’63 Loyola Ramblers!!!


Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 11:27 am

lol…what the heck. Dan-o

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:28 am

Maybe it would benefit Pitt more, if Ped State did indeed go ahead hire this guy.

Baggage on top of baggage.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:30 am

Patriot news article is damning, says media consultants were involved say Franklin should not be damned for anonymous allegations.

Prosecutor says no evidence against Franklin, very odd, maybe a Vandy grad. Unusual to make a public statement other than to protect the football program.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 11:32 am

Vandy is one of the largest employers in Nashville and of course have lots of political power. So the prosecutor bs is typical. $3.6 Billion endowment doesn’t hurt.

Notable alumni and affiliates include two Vice Presidents of the United States, 25 Rhodes Scholars, seven Nobel Prize laureates, Pulitzer Prize winners, and Academy Award winners and 4 gang rapists.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:38 am

Also first I heard of Cocaine being involved.

Defense team accused of evidence tampering.

Defense going to subpoena Franklin. Nice.

This trial will be unbelievable, hope it’s on TV.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 11:39 am

Is that network, Court TV still on ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:42 am

As far as Mike Young’s tweets, which were referenced on 2 previous blogs, I thought everyone was aware and it was my intention to downplay them.

The day after the MD game, he tweeted that this was the first time he was told no yo shoot and had another tweet about not able to be himseld (or something like that.)

But if you read the stories in both Pgh papers today, you will note no signs of discontent at all and that he is ‘all in.’ Thus, my point is (hopefully) it’s much to ado about nothin.

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 11:45 am


It is called TruTV, now.
Early round NCAA tourney games are on it.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 11:47 am

No opinion pieces from the 2 blowhards at the PG, concerning this. Cookie & Collier.

Meaning, whichever way it goes….they’ll write a piece justifying it.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:48 am

Petrino’s wife assured the Louisville AD that Bobby has changed his ways. Or she’s sick of buying knockoff purses & knows the Lville cash can buy her a new burkin bag.

Comment by Nick 01.10.14 @ 11:50 am

On the PSU issue, they obviously are taking a calculated risk that Franklin will be exonerated of any wrongdoing, but should that not be true, it would be disasterous.

But the bigger issue … once again, the school that had for decades emphasized the virtues of integrity in college athletics as ‘the Penn State Way’ has put the almighty dollar before integrity. It burned them big time before and while now they may get away with it, any future refernces to the Penn State Way should be scoffed at.

We AREN’T Penn State

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 11:54 am

@ Nick

L-Ville had to know that they’d lost Strong after his last 2 seasons and after beating Florida handily in last year’s Sugar Bowl.

So they promptly stashed Motorcycle Bobby over in the Western part of the state. For that day.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:56 am

^^ they’d lose Strong ^^

lol Nick….Petrino’s wife would make a good pol wife.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 11:58 am

I have no problem with Louisville hiring Bobby Petrino. They know EXACTLY what they are getting. They want someone who will WIN on the field. They apparently don’t give a shit about the other stuff. The DUMB move is by Penn State, after everything they’ve gone through. WHY would they hire a guy who will probably be required to testify in a controversial rape case? Do you think they need more publicity?

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 11:59 am

REally don’t care who any of these supposed ‘institutions of higher learning’ hire.

It’s all rather comical.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 12:05 pm

Franklin is exactly what we, Pitt fans, don’t want at PSU.

The dude can flat out recruit. He is everything that PC is not, affable, charismatic, confident, and full of personality. He is going to steal two or three top recruits out of WPA from Pitt every year.

I hope the PSU doofuses succumb to the public pressure and don’t hire Franklin. Munchak should be their man. PC could eat his lunch!

Comment by Boubabcar Aw 01.10.14 @ 12:27 pm

Nice piece in Cardiac Hill about defensive recruit Avonte Maddox.

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Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 12:42 pm

Could we / should we pick up Larry Johnson Sr to the staff? Just a thought.

Comment by pittbluegold 01.10.14 @ 12:49 pm

A leopard doesn’t change his spots. Why would anybody be surprised that Penn St. would hire a coach who has a rape investigation hanging over his football program. This is a school that for decades covered up for a pedophile maniac and actually continued to allow him to use their facilities to rape children. Football performance and the millions generated are what is nearest the heart at Penn St. Louisville sends a similar signal whereby they can abide coaches who like to dabble in a little post game womanizing despite being married. I know Bill Clinton will be pulling for the Cards. These schools are what they are and major college sports is a dirty business. As messed up as we are at Pitt I am thankful we aren’t at the forefront of this type of stench like these two. I still want to beat them both but I am not willing to stoop that low to do it.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 1:04 pm

@pittblueandgold, I don’t want anything to do with anyone tainted with the scum that oozes out of Penn St. Hell, I’d rather lose.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 1:08 pm

My initial thought was that Coach Franklin was being treated more than unfairly in this matter…Coaches simply can’t control everything one of their players does. However, after reading the PennLive article, I don’t know how PSU can go forward with this hire. As long as there is even the potential that Coach Franklin’s actions with regard to case could come back to bite PSU, they can’t make this hire. His denial means nothing at this point (even if true). Remember, Culy, Larry, and Moe at PSU insist they had no knowlege of Mr. Sandusky’s behavior (despite testimonial and written evidence to the contrary). No matter how unfair, or even un-American it may be (innocent until proven guilty), PSU can not hire Coach Franklin at this time becuase he will then become a contingent liability for the school based upon the outcome of the related criminal trials. Let’s just say someone credible is willing to testify that Franklin did tell the player to delete evidence from his phone, or we simply find out he knew about cocaine use, or perhaps the sordid past of these recruits; and he is now the PSU Head Coach! How does PSU then deal with that mess?

Comment by HbgFrank 01.10.14 @ 1:09 pm

Louis Riddick doing analysis on ESPN. He has had an excellent career in football. An outstanding Pitt Panther.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 1:14 pm

The fact that Vandy is stonewalling the investigation tells you everything you need to know.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 1:19 pm

No different than Joepa stonewalling for 20 years.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 1:20 pm

An ESPN reporter, Bruce Feldman (?) I think first announced Franklin to Ped State. Sort of backing them into a corner.

Didn’t that happen with the Mike Tomlin hire, an ESPN reporter reported that the Steelers had hired Tomlin ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:21 pm

Huggy made reference to playing Pitt in hoops, but Pitt doesn’t want to play. Who wants this series to renew? I do.

Comment by Michael 01.10.14 @ 1:24 pm

Fox Sports said it was a done deal 24 hours ago.

Kinda jumped the gun.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 1:24 pm

Excuse me, Huggy made this statement on the Pony show.

Comment by Michael 01.10.14 @ 1:25 pm

Play WVU at the ConSol so nobody gets pennies thrown at them.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 1:26 pm

HBGFrank, They don’t care they just want to win in football. We as civilized human beings might give some credence to decency, but it isn’t on the agenda with these folks. He is a step up ,at least they are dealing in adult rape now.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 1:27 pm

Hey Blatherites….here’s how we can rid of Gorman as a voter:

link to

Yep…let’s talk him into letting us turn in his votes for him. It’s worth a shot…

Comment by Jackagain 01.10.14 @ 1:28 pm

Grow a pair, that happened one time. All WVU needs is a beefed up security system if that’s the case.

Comment by Michael 01.10.14 @ 1:29 pm

Back to Basketball … if there is anyone in the Atlanta area that want’s to go to the GA Tech game on Tuesday and sit with Pitt fans, there are some unsold tickets from the block that was bought.

There will probably be a group of 50-80 Pitt fans. Tickets are $23. Sections are 204 & 205.

link to

Email: atlantapittclub at gmail


Comment by Atlanta Panther 01.10.14 @ 1:29 pm

Palm seeds us 6 the same as he seeds Duke. Lunardi has us 7 and Duke 3. It will be interesting to see how big a price seed wise we are going to have to pay at selection time. I’d love to see us at least climb to the 4 or 5.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 1:30 pm

actually Emel, I vividly remember local sources saying that Russ Grimm was to be hired who was the Steeler OL coach at the time, and indeed, he reportedly was very upset he didn’t get the job and joined Whisenhunt’s staff at Arizona

You also may remember that Channel 4 or 11 reporting that Tom Bradley was to be hired as HC at Pitt … can’t remember if it was before Fraud was hired or PC

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 1:34 pm

I know Lunardi needs work, but talking about seeds on January 10th is absurd. Not you sos22, but ESPN & Lunardi.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:34 pm

Btw ESPN’s BPI has us as a 2 seed, lmao.

link to

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:36 pm

BTW, using Franklin’s criteria for hiring assistants, IMO Bollinger and Rudolph should be the best recruiters on the staff

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 1:36 pm

So Huggy wants to play Pitt? I was all for it just a few months ago but now I have had second thoughts. If we are only going to get to play one home/away team a season I think it is vital that they not only be a higher ranked team than WVU but also be in an area where we could recruit. If we are going to play someone with no recruiting advantage then let’s play Arizona, UCLA, Kentucky or Kansas. We are a 1st rate top teir ACC team why step down to the Hoopies?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 1:44 pm

@ wbb
What those 2 have hot wives ? haha

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:47 pm

I think seed talk now is a little absurd by sos22 too.

But like the everflow of passion. Long season ahead and conf. tournaments to sort it all out.

Lets not have injuries esp. to Zanna and Lamar as they are keys to this year.

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 1:48 pm

Emel, Assume for a minute that Syracuse is over hyped and we split our games with them. Then we beat Duke at the Pete and Beat a UNC at Chapel Hill. We lose at Notre Dame and have another bad game on the road somewhere. WE win the ACC at 15 and 3 and have a record of 28 and 4.Sounds like about a 2 seed to me. I don’t think it is all that farfetched.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 1:50 pm

actually Emel, I vividly remember local sources saying that Russ Grimm was to be hired who was the Steeler OL coach at the time, and indeed, he reportedly was very upset he didn’t get the job and joined Whisenhunt’s staff at Arizona

I was talking about the ESPN print reporter who had prematurely announced the Steelers hired Tomlin when other’s (like you mentioned) said otherwise.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:50 pm

Emel, yes IMO

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 1:50 pm

Emel, you may be right about Steelers having their hand forced – but I certainly remmeber Grimm thinking that he was getting hired

and yes about the wives IMO

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 1:52 pm


No need to assume, Cuse is always over hyped. We beat them at least once this year ! I always had a scenario that we were 15-3 in the ACC, 27-4 overall, and not ranked.

You see Gorman in that scenario has ALL the AP votes.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:53 pm

@ wbb

Got a link with their pics ? never have seen PC’s wife, what she look like ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:54 pm

^^ 2 up^^ should read.

I also had a scenario that we were 15-3……..

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:55 pm

Sure seed talk is ridiculous but so is being crazy for a basketball team that breaks your heart every March. 95% of the posts here are absurd and it never held anyone else back. Sorry to be so annoying but it’s my nature.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 2:00 pm

As much as I’d like the rivalry game, I like them being on the island.

The island is even worse than I ever imagined.

Huggy did the Fan interview, but, other than that, when do you even hear about WVU football or basketball anymore??


And to go along with SOS22, if you can make room for WVU, then you could certainly make room for some other top 20 team.

Yes, yes, most don’t, but there are plenty of examples of teams still doing some home and home series. If they wanted it, they could make it happen.

And, as always, my “soft OOC schedule” argument has never been tied to the rankings or helping us play better down the stretch.

My argument has always been, from a fans point of view. We deserve better in the 10 OOC home games than Cal Poly and Savannah State.

I also have always been the type that says, “the fans don’t deserve anything, they buy the tickets, if they don’t like it, don’t buy it, when it comes to a lot of sports, including pros”.

I think for this particular case, I think the Pitt hoops fans do deserve at least one bone thrown their way.

13 years of sell outs, fans have been very loyal, made the place one of the best places to play in college hoops, ya, I think the fans do deserve at least one half decent game out of ten in the non-con.

I’ll go one further. I think the OOC schedule the past 3 or 4 years has been a slap in the face to Pitt season ticket holders.

p.s. Save the money argument. You’d lose one home game, every two years. Not every year, just every other year.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 2:02 pm

lol sos22

Time to talk about our next foe in hoops.

Wake game is less than 24 hours away.

They have 4 guys average in double figures.
Their big guy(center) is from Harrisburg, go figure. Devon Thomas, 6’9″ 245 lbs. Averages 11 & 9 as a sophomore.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:03 pm

TVax, agree on the injuries. I posted yesterday, to play them less when possible to keep them fresh (and healthy) and also to get the youngsters and Randall more PT.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 2:04 pm

Although it appears Mr. Thomas’s stats were composed against mostly rent-a-wins.

First 2 conf. games, only 9 against the Holes and 2 pts and 3 rebounds against UVA on Weds. who routed them 51-74.

UVA scoring 74 points, amazing. We should score 100. haha

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:07 pm

How about this. How about a home and home with WVU, and a home and home with a top 20.

You alternate, so, it would come down to losing one home game a year.

OOC schedule, WVU, a top 20 team and 8 pansies.

I could live with that.

Aren’t we supposed to be getting 20M from the ACC??

I know the volleyball and swimming teams need spruced up, and you can certainly use that money to help the non-revenue sports.

I would think however, the money makers (football and hoops) should be privy to that many too???

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 2:08 pm

@Dan, I concur completely and we have ranted in this area infinitum. Here is what it looks like will happen. We have 13 non/con games. My best guess from studying this is that this is what we are likely to see going forward. We are stuck playing Duquesne at the Consul, don’t ask me why. That leaves 12. We will play 1game in the Big10 challenge. That will be the featured home non/con game every other year. That leaves 11. We will play 3 tournament games at neutral sites (preferably New York) hopefully attracting some marquis competition. That leaves 8. We will play 1 home and away against a quality opponent hopefully in a hot recruiting area.That will be the other marquis non/con home game every other year. That leaves 7. We will bring in 7 rent a victims seeking the best available patsies we can get.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 2:17 pm

Wake’s guards are:

** Codi Miller 6-3, 195 avg’s 16 & 4 apg. He’s coming off a poor games as well with only 6 pts on 2 of 9 shooting. Avg’s 12 shots per game.

** Coron Williams, 6-1 170 avg’s 10 & 1 apg
he’s the 5th year senior transfer from Bobby Mo.
Coming off an 11 pt, 0 assist game. Taking six 3 pt shot per game.

So this guy will be like a spy for them, probably has played against our guys at Greentree.

** Madison Jones 6-1, 160 (these guys are beanpoles) AVG’s 4 ppg & 3.5 apg in 23 mpg

Needless to say this guy doesn’t shoot much. Not much of a 3 pt threat. Williams appears to be their guard who shoots 3’s. The other 2 make less than one 3 per game. He makes 2.5 pg.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:21 pm

@SOS22, sounds right, except the part about playing 1 home and away against a quality opponent!! LOL When’t that happening?? I think that’s what we’re talking about.

Hey, any idea how the ACC/Big Ten challenge works. New game every year, or do they do it in two year cycles.

i.e. Our game next year is at Penn State???

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 2:26 pm

@Dan I am convinced that we will be lucky to get a single home and away. Since that game will be ,for lack of a better word precious, I would prefer a better opponent than the hoopies. They add nothing recruiting wise and it is a damn hard place to play. If we are going to travel to a hard place to play, let’s play someone who is a win even if you lose. Here is my “A” list. Villanova and Georgetown because of strong recruiting area. They resent our leaving the Big East and recruit against us so they are unlikely to work with us. They don’t want to come to the Pete either. “B”list Kansas ,UCLA ,Memphis, Kentucky, Florida, Arizona, Gonzaga. These teams always present an opportunity to get recognized and are generally not an embarrassment if we lose. In short beat em at home and hang on the road.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 2:28 pm

Yes, wbb, the Young tweet episode is a faded blip on the radar thanks to the sterling work of our Pitt spin docs.

Rumors are that Chris Christie is interviewing them as we speak.

And, probably like Christie communiques on water bridge, Young’s tweets have been erased on his Twitter page.

Comment by steve1 01.10.14 @ 2:31 pm

Personally wouldn’t play WVU in anything. Nothing to gain-play Villanova, St Johns, maybe Maryland moving forward. Can’t stomach Luck, Huggy or Holgs. Let them continue in isolation.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.10.14 @ 2:32 pm

Wake’s frontcourt is:

** the aforementioned Devin Thomas. Their big guy(center) is from Harrisburg, Devon Thomas, 6’9? 245 lbs. Averages 11 & 9 as a sophomore.

** Travis McKee 6’7″ 220, avg’s 10 & 5 rpg.
Senior, has started at Wake for 4 years. Can step out and hit a 3. However 3 of his last 4 games he hasn’t hit double figures. Only 2 pts against UVA.

** Tyler Cavanaugh Soph. 6-9 230. Avg’s 9 & 5 rpg
Will also throw up a 3 on occasion. Had 8 pts in last outing & 11 against the Holes.

** Arnaud Adala Moto Soph, from Cameroon. 6-6 225
avg’s 5 & 5 in 16 minutes off bench. Poor FT shooter at only 54%. So don’t give him any bunnie, foul and put him on the line.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:33 pm

Don’t see any lines on this game as of yet.

Whatever it is, Pitt wins and covers !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:35 pm

What PITT could do in the Non-con is this:

instead of bringing in a no-name team that might be better than their name suggests.

Do a home & home with some name team from a big conference. Even if they stink, ppl perceive a victory over say Tennessee or Arkansas or Oklahoma or someone like that, bigger than a Albany or Fresno or Cal Poly.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:41 pm

Dan’ Concerning the Big 10 challenge. I am assuming they assign a new opponent every year but I am also assuming we will be on the road next year. Status within the conference dictates the level of opponent. I doubt as well as we are doing in conference if we will get stuck with the peds next year. —- As to the quality opponent I think that is what they are trying to arrange but were unable to this year. This year we picked up an extra rent a win. The one thing we should never do again is agree to play an inferior team on the road. You get road experience but you risk hurting your ranking with nothing to gain respect wise. Like when we lost at Dayton some years back. We had just beaten Duke in the Garden and then looked stupid by losing to a team we don’t need to schedule road games with. To make matters worse Fields got hurt. It was a dumb scheduling mistake.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 2:42 pm

Love to see us play UConn, Villanova, St. Joes,
St. Johns, but more than any Georgetown.

More expensive but maybe Sean Miller would give us a home and away. Always thought we should have had UCLA on the schedule.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 2:42 pm

We did this with Tenn a few years ago.

Maybe South Carolina or Alabama.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:42 pm

I’ll leave you with this, and my last comment on the subject, to save Chas and the readers the suffering.

No matter where you stand on the issue, the fact of the matter is, that people do rank strength of schedules.

Because they do that, the talking heads at ESPN, CBS, Fox Sports, sports websites and blogs, newspapers, and all of the national and local sports radio, will then talk about that when college basketball starts and the conversation comes up. And, it will come up.

The talking heads and local media guys may all be jagoffs and assholes. That very well maybe.

However, there is one fact.

If Pitt keeps scheduling for the bottom of the OOC strength of schedule , then people will continue to talk about it at the beginning of every year.

So, next year, if we have a crap OOC again, and the year after, and the year after, people will be talking about it, criticizing and questioning.

That is the fact, and that is not in question.

I leave to to a peaceful afternoon.


Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 2:44 pm

@Emel, I think it is time to evolve here. The heck with Arkansas and Tennessee, Kansas, Kentucky, Ucla. We are big time ,let’s play big time.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 2:45 pm

Love to see that as well gc. Don’t think any of them want to come to the Pete. Or give us the recruiting traction in Phila or NYC that they game would provide.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:46 pm

^I meant let’s not settle for Arkansas and Tennessee.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 2:46 pm

Hey sos 22 – “But like the everflow of passion.”
….was supposed to be “But I like the(your)overflow of passion.”

Keep up the positive hyperbole – its appreciated

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 2:47 pm

KU, UK UCLA< UNC< Duke are all part of the 'Bluebood Club'.

We are not, and they don't appear to have a invitation in hand for us.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:48 pm

I’m sorry, must respond, I’ll be quick.

@SOS22, hell, I’d settle just for another university from a BCS conference.

For any newbies out there, this isn’t some kind of crazy talk either.

Over the last 13 years, we have had home and homes with Washington (when they were in top 10), and beat them both times.

Had home and homes with Ohio St.

Georgia, Oklahoma St.

It’s just in the past 4 or 5 years that these have gone away. We used to do it, actually, relatively recently.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 2:48 pm

Oh, home and home with Wisconsin in 07 and 08.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 2:49 pm

Not until we get to a couple Final Fours I believe.

As us being in the Top 5 of the entire NCAA over the last 13 years in winning %, hasn’t made us a member.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:49 pm

It’s funny Syracuse gets away pretty much every year, with never leaving the State of NY in the Non-con. Yet they are NEVER used as a ‘poster child’ for a weak non-con.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 2:55 pm

I agree with cas…playing WVU has no upside for us in hoops. They’re a rival who will play us tough…if we win it will be against an unranked team…if they win it will be big for them whether we’re ranked or not (see Cincy)

It’s better to let them die a slow death in obscurity.

Comment by Jackagain 01.10.14 @ 3:00 pm

@gc, I think Ben and Jamie said they would never play each other, unless they had to in the tourney.

Comment by Dan 01.10.14 @ 3:04 pm

The non-con is taken into account in all the computer rankings of Kenpom & Sagarin & the ESPN BPI & RPI.

We are ranked in ALL those rankings.

As high as #5 in both ESPN BPI & Kenpom.

From what I’ve seen on the BPI, our non-con is only a tad below some of the others.

This is being made an issue by the ‘talking heads’, where it shouldn’t be. Bottom line.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:04 pm

@Jackagain, You are correct and the proof is Huggy trying to cuddle up— he is a snake.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 3:05 pm

This is more about an agenda of keeping PITT unranked in the 2 major polls than it is about our non-con.

Haven’t figured out the complete reason why, as of yet. Other than pure bias.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:07 pm

I think we are consistently a top 20 team that needs to make choices fitting for a top teir ACC school. We are going to be a top hoop conference. Let’s schedule our home and home with a team that is at our eye level ,not below. Dixon has the respect in the coaching community to pull this off.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 3:09 pm

We’ll be in the Coaches Poll come Monday I believe as long as we ‘take care of business’ tomorrow.

The AP is another story, there are 4 teams who got more ‘other’ votes than us. Right now I only see 2 possible teams dropping to create openings.
Gonzaga & Missouri. Illinois could be the 3rd. But you know how they love BIg Joke teams.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:11 pm

I was just visiting our conference foes conversations on the ESPN site at the Syracuse vs UNC game conversation. A few of the over confident Orange fans were saying that the only games they are worried about are @ Duke and the Pete. The on e Syracuse partisan even pointed out that they have been known to lose at the Pete to even bad teams. Don’t you love it.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 3:13 pm

Oregon lost last nite to an unranked Cal, however will they drop them all the OUT since they’re sitting at #17 and they were #10 2 weeks ago.

Stanford could do us a favor by beating them on Sunday. That would work nicely.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:15 pm

Got a link with their pics ? never have seen PC’s wife, what she look like ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 1:54 pm

Emel, sorry to not respond to you earlier but had some work to do (try not to make habit of it)

Anyway, the only place I find that has a picture of the wives are the programs you buy for $5 on gameday at the stadium. The only other place they may be would be in FB media guide which can be acessed via Pitt Athletic site (link on right side) but not sure.

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 3:16 pm

Cuse fans are somewhat arrogant, think we’ve had that convo on here before. As more than a few of us have had dealings with them in sports bars, etc.

Including yours truly !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:17 pm

@ wbb

Yes work will make wbb a dull boy. lol

thx I’ll check it out !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:19 pm

Apparently PSU with a news conference tomorrow, Franklin to get….4.5 million

link to

Comment by KeyboardKev 01.10.14 @ 3:21 pm

Georgetown and Villanova have made it very clear, they have no interest in playing Pitt. Don’t blame them, coming to the Pete every other year for an almost guaranteed beat down would not be in their best interest. Especially, since Pittsburgh is not a recruiting hotbed, no upside.

Most other BCS schools would probably feel the same way. Pitt should schedule WVU, they are “rival” and at least they’re willing.

Replace Albany with WVU and the non-con now goes from embarrassing to just weak. Hey that’s a step up right?

Comment by Boubabcar Aw 01.10.14 @ 3:23 pm

Just the way the National Media is dissing us in these polls, we’re playing 2nd fiddle in a big way to Syracuse in both our first season in the ACC.

PITT didn’t draw as many ppl on a weekend game at NC State as non-Con Mizzou did on a weeknite.
In NC State 1rst conference game and PITT’s 1rst game ever in the ACC.

Had PITT been justifiably ranked at say #18-20, that wouldn’t have happened.

Boy I hope we blow Syracuse off the court like we did a few years ago at the Pete.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 3:23 pm

Boubabcar, Couldn’t disagree more, That is loser thinking, “Take them because they are willing” We are Pitt and we are a top ACC team and we will draw people against the big boys, we don’t have to settle for the hoopies. They are left to inbreed and feud on their own.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 3:30 pm

Someone talk Frankcan off the ledge…

Comment by Jackagain 01.10.14 @ 3:32 pm

We need to hold serve at the Pete this year. I think we can. Duke can be had and Syracuse has a whole history of losing here with regularity. If we do that the only road games that pose a challenge are @Syracuse, @UNC, @ND @Miami. Win 1 of those and hold serve at home and get by the soft underbelly on the road and we win the conference 15 and 3.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 3:39 pm

Playing a bad team from a bcs conference won’t help anything. Pitt isn’t getting any respect for beating Texas Tech, Stanford, or psu. That wouldn’t change. They need to play at least 1 top team & a good mid major. They used to do it every year & then just stopped. Even those Tennessee games were part of the now defunct Big East/SEC challenge. Pitt is playing in the Maui Invitational next season & probably another game in NYC. That will be more than enough in their book.

Comment by Nick 01.10.14 @ 3:41 pm

I’d settle for playing Hoopies — maybe solution is to play on neutral floor like Consol. Big enough to accomodate both teams and Pitt players and bench only exposed to a fraction of the coins and batteries pelted in Morgantown. Anyone else think PSU is trending up in hoops? I don’t get leaving Bobby Mo off the non-con. They’re having a tough year, but still seems like a no brainer for a quality mid major on Pitt’s doorstep.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.10.14 @ 3:41 pm

Paying a new coach $4.5M should not surprise. As we have come to learn over the past two years, the entire essense and well-being of Central PA is dependent upon PSU football. Doesn’t say too much for the area since it must be really hurting 358 days of the year.

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 3:42 pm

They’re not getting respect, but those are considered their best noncon wins against top 100 teams. Howard and Savanah St are the biggest SoS killers (<300). they don't need to schedule elite noncon — they just need to avoid more dreggs.

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.10.14 @ 3:50 pm

Why dog the non-con? Exactly what this young team needed. H2P!! F-psu & F-wvu.

Comment by DC33 01.10.14 @ 3:50 pm

Arizona played at Mich and at SDSU (ranked team that just beat Kansas at Kansas). It also won a tourny in NY, beating Duke in title game. It also played another big preseason game at home that I watched (can’t recall who it was.) And note that Arizona is not exactly a haven for BB recruits.

While the tourney games can’t always be planned, the other games were scheduled by the school. I think Pitt owes it loyal ticketholders a more attractive preseason, and it certainly doesn’t kill Pitt’s record should it lose a meaningful game on the road.

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 3:52 pm

Here’s all the schools ranked by ESPN by SOS.

link to

Need to scroll down awhile. But take note who is ONLY 4 spots up from us.

This is all BS. And this proves it.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 4:02 pm

Note also which teams are below us:

# 6 Wichita State
#12 Louisville

L-ville is ALL the way at #131 in SOS.

PITT is at #94 btw.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 4:11 pm

Actually the big news is how can a team that is ranked #90 in SOS be ranked #2 in both major polls.

Now if that isn’t something the talking heads should be talking about, instead of making us the poster child, I don’t know what is.

(it’s Syracuse btw)

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 4:14 pm

Ghost- No, Penn St. is not trending up in hoops at all, of course it wouldn’t be hard to trend up a little from where they’re at. They just lost their 3rd straight and are 9-7 overall with nothing but big ten competition ahead. They have 1 great player who is a senior, which means they’re likely to go from pretty bad to very bad (downward trend). I’d be all for playing Penn St in hoops annually, if and only if, they play us (1 for 1) in football.


Comment by 1618mt 01.10.14 @ 4:17 pm

Emel….I think that’s a full season SOS. It’s the NC where Pitt gets the rap…

Comment by Jackagain 01.10.14 @ 4:17 pm

Syracuse, Lville and Wich St all made the Final 4 last year, and we know that is always a basis for a high preseason ranking. But I also understand the double-standard being used for all the teams that haven’t set the world on fire so far and still are ranked hire.

Nonetheless, I still don’t know why so many here are so out of sorts. I have confidence, barring key injuries, that this team will be ranked in the Top 15 by March when it counts the most. And if it doesn’t reach that, then that probably means that it loses games in a weak league and maybe doesn’t deserve to be ranked that high.

Comment by wbb 01.10.14 @ 4:18 pm

@ jackagain.

No, it’s only based on the games played so far. lol

And all but 2 by Pitt and most others are non-con.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 4:27 pm

Pitt has been made into the proverbial ‘whipping boy’, for all these idiots on TV.

I’m just sick of it. And the false reality they create. Which is what all TV is all about and why I don’t watch the garbage.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 4:30 pm

It isn’t even rank that matters then it is seed. There is something seedy about Lunardi having the Dukies at a 3. They are not among the best 12 teams based on performance so far. Palm has them 6 which means among the top 2 dozen which is also where we deserve to be and are. Lunardi has us only slightly lower at 7 or top 28. I think we are more like a 15 to 20 but I’m certainly not objective. Of this much I am pretty certain . When the Black and old gold take on the blue and old gold tomorrow I am very confident we will prevail in most pleasing manner.HTP

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 4:33 pm

Well yea. But the seeds are predicated to a large degree by the rankings in the polls.

For instance if your not ranked in the Top 6 at the end of the season, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET A #1 SEED. And most of the time it’s just the Top 4 in the polls seeded as #1’s.

I’m almost sure if we keep winning it will all work out. But you know when you’re a ranked team, you get your game mentioned in the highlites on these various shows, you get the game article on the front page of that sports website and the article is a lot more lengthy than a non ranked team article.

All of this stuff while maybe not seeming important……is. As all of this combined creates a perception of your team and your program. And it’s all free advertising for your program; the TV highlites, the front page website articles on ESPN’s website, CBS Sport’s website, CNNSI’s website and countless others.

You don’t get any of that stuff if you’re an unranked team.

And these folks denying us this, know that.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:04 pm

Upone – 2 weeks ago I said Franklin. You said I was crazy or something along those lines. You guys thought Golden, Munchak or Schiano. They want an outsider. Franklin’s strength is connectability and recruiting. He is a good motivator and other than Alabama has the best SEC record over the past 2 seasons. Crazy especially with where that program was historically and it is essentially the Ivy League of the South. This is NOT good for us Pitt fans. I think he puts together a Top 15 recruiting class for 2015. As far as hoops out choking in NCAA’s and Non Con being weak hurts but we should at least be ranked 22 to 25.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 5:11 pm

Doesn’t look like they can hide us anymore after we win tomorrow. I like putting these beat downs on these ACC teams. There is something particularly satisfying about it. I don’t know what it is but they have kind of an uppityness to them. It’s more fun than beating up on the underbelly of the Big East.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 5:11 pm

agree sos22

If we win, we are almost 100% going to be in the Coach’s Poll. As we’re #26 now

AP is a little more tricky since we’re #30. But they might, if only to protect one of their favs, Cuse, from dropping to much, when they lose to us.

Can’t have the Orange losing to an unranked team, can we.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:19 pm

And it’s satisfying as hell for me, living in ACC country for 20 years. Having to hear them short shrift the Big East every chance they got. Oh it was no where near the level of competition of the ACC.

I’ve been wearing my Pitt hat as much as humanly possibly the last 10 years except during the heat of summer.

Since we’ve put a beating on a few ACC hoops teams already, ppl are taking note of it more. I feel their fear………lol

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:24 pm


I was at NC State game.
I saw the fear.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 5:29 pm

Cool xfmrman

You live in the Carolina’s ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:33 pm

Franklin will cut 1 of 2 ways.

On face of it @Upittbaseball that assessment could well play out and is probable.

The other way this goes is somewhat from the USA today article… the guys long statement on having hot wives to be his coach reveals questionable judgement and he gets dragged into the trials of his former players on rape where text messages etc. still have not come to light and this guy backfires on PSU…

… will be fascinating to watch how this goes.

What would be nice is a last ditch effort by Vandy keeps him there.

We had our go-round with the big mouth/high octane personality type coach and it did not work out well.

remember too that when Holgersen first showed up at WVU we all thought the same positive things as attributed to Franklin… now look where WVU is going…

… will be interesting to see. At the end of the day Pitt is rebuilding and PSU is what it is (for now).

I think our future success is more on what this staff can get done here than what anyone else does.

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 5:33 pm

Emel ,Talked too my way too successful brother-in -law from Charlotte and he told me that UNC had lost a couple key players and Roy had counted on them. He doesn’t realize I know more about UNC than he does. They haven’t even considered the possibility that we could win. I don’t know if we can either but if I were a handicapper I would wager we have a better chance of winning the ACC than we do of finishing 6th as they projected us. I think we are about 90% in the top 4.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 5:34 pm


No, in Washington Cnty, PA.
It was a Christmas gift to myself (and my son and father-in-law).
But mostly for me.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 5:39 pm

Penn St. is making a statement. In only 2 short years they have graduated from protecting a child rapist, to hiring a coach who can attract adult rapists. A progressive institution indeed.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.10.14 @ 5:43 pm

@ xfmrman

Nice gift. lol What did you think of PNC Arena?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:48 pm

@ sos22

what neighborhood, part of Charlotte does your brother in law live in ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:49 pm

Really liked the arena.
And liked the fans. They are basketball savvy.
The folks dressed in red pants and white shirts were a little bizarre though.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 5:52 pm

Script – I dont think we can compare what Franklin Achieved to what Graham achieved in dogshit conferences. As far as the rapes, a coach can only be held accountable so much for 18 to 22 year olds. Its a shame that garbage happens but to say Franklin in anyway is to blame is not fair. I think the guy is legit and followed him since he took over Vandy. He deserves the accolades and is the hottest of the college coaches next to Saban and Jimbo and Gus. Its a great hire and I think we will have a tough time competing for the same talent against Franklin. The kids will telate to James more than Paul. Spirit – I say some dumb shit but your statement takes the cake. Do you think for a moment PSU would move on Franklin if there was any doubt he tried to cover anything up?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 5:57 pm

lol They let Sandusky wander around the campus with his own office/key after knowing what he was all about(a pedophile taking advantage of boys with no fathers) in 1998. And probably even before than.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:04 pm

And 6 of Franklins wins this year were against nobodies.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:05 pm

Austin Peay ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:06 pm

Frankly (lol) I think this guy is overhyped and overrated. But that is what the media does.

Ped State can have him, from his other stmts about assistant coaches wives, he seems like an a-hole.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:08 pm

Now….had he taken Vanderbilt to the Sugar Bowl or the Orange Bowl, that would be something.

The BBVA Compass Bowl. whoop

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:10 pm

How long and what are the PSU sanctions at this point?

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 6:15 pm

I had heard that Franklin’s staff was making calls to the PSU recruits to calm them down and convince them to stay. Surely this is an NCAA violation if true.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 6:18 pm

Emel, who knows what context it was in? Call me crazy but I hire 25 to 50 people a year and get to know the younger ones throughout college and into a professional world. If they have a hottie as a girlfriend, or better said a total package kind of gal, high character, sweet, cute to me it means these guys can sell themselves and will probably do well. Not to say a guy with an ugly girlfriend cant but playing a numbers game more times than not the kids end up doing well. Its another tool, like grades, extra stuff, leadership, internships and personality profiles.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:21 pm

Sanctions reduced now 20 schollies per year. No bowls till 2016, but all can be reduced again in annual review.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 6:24 pm

So we pay Chryst 1.2M a year and PSU pays Franklin 4.5M a year. When will we get out of the dark ages and quit going cheap? Pederson is a disaster.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:27 pm

Upitt…just out of curiosity, do you look for the same in the females that you hire? Must they have a “hottie” boyfriend or husband in order to help you project success in their careers? How does that go, do you ask one of your female coworkers to tell you if a prospective female employee’s boyfriend is attractive? Really, this notion was first popularized in the movie “Moneyball”. Frankly, it is a little bit silly. Man, if Bill Gates had just had a hotter wife, he could have really been successful!

Comment by HbgFrank 01.10.14 @ 6:37 pm

Does anyone here know what they had payed Paterno for the last few years of his coaching career?

He was a bargain.

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 6:46 pm

Frank – I do not sir. But we are a 92% male dominated Industry. Good point though. It isnt the only thing but it difinitely is one thing Out of about 25 I look at whn possible. Obviously it is only if I see that or see a social media profile. Its beliw the radar of course.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:50 pm


Damn we need an edit option on this site

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 6:54 pm

Tvax – he topped out at 1.2M but back in 07 I think he was around 500k to 600k. He obviously didn’t care about money. He probably is looking down thinking I was 1.2 M and worked there 54 years and the new guy gets 4.5 out of the gate

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 7:06 pm

Tvax – Sorry he topped out at 1.4M. Probably also got camp money. If I remember right he gave 500K a year back to PSU in donations to the school.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 7:08 pm

UPitt, Vandy has the 2nd best SEC record the last 2 years? I didn’t bother to look it up, but it seems USC would be better, maybe LSU as well?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 01.10.14 @ 7:31 pm

you are correct marcus.

Haven’t looked it up either, but remember hearing that South Carolina (USC) had their first back to back …..11 win seasons in school history.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:02 pm

A & M had 9 wins this year. Think they had 10 or 11 last year… so them too.

LSU had 10 wins this year. Probably had 9 or 10 last year. so them too.

UGA might have had as many as they had 8 this year. believe they had more than 9 last year.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:05 pm

Yep Georgia had 12 wins last year and 8 this year so 20.

LSU had 10 this year and 10 last year = 20

A&M had 9 this year and 11 last year = 20

And of course Alabami and South Carolina.

So where’s that put Vandy, 6th I guess.

Ok better than they were, yet only Music City Bowl and the Compass Bowl. So they took a slot from Kentucky or Ole Miss. Whoop Whoop.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:11 pm

As I said before, we had some of best years with the grand puba or (depending on how you feel, grand pedo) up at Creepy Valley.

I’m not too concerned with some schmuck who went to East Stroudsburg State or whatever.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:13 pm

I refuse to believe Franklin will be so dominant a figure. Before Paterno hit eighty he was a good coach, had a great staff and a very popular school behind him. When Pitt had decent coaches we were able to compete for recruits. There will be plenty of players available in the ACC footprint, if we can get to eight wins next year the players will start to listen. The funny thing about all this is that for years people have complained about WPIAL kids on the roster, take a look at this years group. Kids from all over.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.10.14 @ 8:17 pm

As James Carville once said (don’t know if it’s true)…..”Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between”

Don’t know how well Mr. Franklin will play in that.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:17 pm

Beat me to it Emel.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.10.14 @ 8:18 pm

The article I read said that. I will find it and post.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 8:19 pm

Franklin is 24-15 in his three seasons as Vanderbilt’s head coach, matching Dan McGugin for the most wins in school history over a coach’s first three seasons. The Commodores are 16-4 over the past 20 games, second in the SEC only to Alabama. Vanderbilt won the final seven games of 2012 and the final five of 2013 in a stretch that also includes back-to-back bowl wins.

I thought it was last 2 seasons. It was last 20 games bowls included. Penn Live article.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 8:25 pm

As far as the wive’s having to be good looking for him to hire an asst. coach.

Well in theory, maybe not wrong. But do you go on the radio and in a length interview, proclaim this to a radio audience in today’s PC world.

Not real bright. Again I think he’s overrated and over hyped. Media false reality in today’s world.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:25 pm

Dan who ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:34 pm

Here’s the end of their 2012 schedule. Cause 16-4 sounds really impressive.

0/27 Massachusetts W (-32.98) W (-33.85) 49-7 W
11/3 at Kentucky W (-9.78) W (-9.50) 40-0 W
11/10 at Mississippi W (-15.66) W (-6.98) 27-26 W
11/17 Tennessee W (-4.34) W (-6.84) 41-18 W
11/24 at Wake Forest W (-9.46) W (-15.72) 55-21 W
12/31 N.C. State (Music City Bowl) **** W (-7.16) 38-24 W

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:36 pm

Back end of 2013 schedule:

11/9 at Florida L (+5) L (+9.22) 34-17 L
11/16 Kentucky W (-23.55) W (-17.58) 22-6 W
11/23 at Tennessee W (-8.51) W (-6.66) 14-10 W
11/30 Wake Forest W (-16.26) W (-14.95) 23-21 W
1/4 Houston
(BBVA Compass Bowl) **** L (+0.95) 41-24 W

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:38 pm

the L at Florida should be a W.

Florida as we know went 4-8 this year. Worst team down there in several decades.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:40 pm

Front end of 2013 season:

8/29 Mississippi W (-4.26) W (-4.26) 35-39 L
9/7 Austin Peay (FCS) W (-43.28) W (-41.79) 38-3 W
9/14 at South Carolina L (+5.16) L (+6.67) 25-35 W
9/21 at Massachusetts W (-31.78) W (-31.99) 24-7 W
9/28 UAB W (-19.80) W (-18.66) 52-24 W
10/5 Missouri W (-10.65) W (-4.60) 28-51 L
10/19 Georgia L (+3.93) L (+5.39) 31-27 L
10/26 at Texas A&M L (+5.16) L (+7.55) 24-56 W

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:43 pm

Franklin to PSU is a self-correcting problem. If he does great, he’ll be off to the NFL soon enough. If he does poorly, we get to witness an epic psychological implosion of the Cult.

Comment by BATR 01.10.14 @ 8:45 pm

The Georgia Game should be a W

Which was their big win of the season. And of the last 2 years.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:48 pm

lol well put BATR.

Could be fun to watch ! :-)

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:49 pm

My bad about all those other numbers and such, it was included in a software program of mine which was handy.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:51 pm

2upitt… as I said it will cut one way or the other… if all the hype is right great move… didn’t Holgersen have all that hype too?? how many others…

or it cuts the other way… take a Patrino… great coach.. lots of wins… right? but look at the mess because of who he was as a person.

It’s how this is going to play out in public… as the article stated (link below), this guys is going to be called as a witness to these rape trails (plural)… internal communications are not yet public… PSU is just stupid as an academic institution to be putting itself close to this stuff.

The comment on radio was over the top BS too… and it was not just a sentence… it was several paragraphs that show what this man is really thinking… and he was dead a$$ serious about the hot wife crap… wonder what the assistants look like around the office?

look at the pictures of the guy too… like a GQ model on the sidelines… got the shades, shaved head and the whole look going on… this is someone who is very much into himself…

Academic institution… that is what this all suppose to be about first afterall (hence now some PSU professors are starting online polls NOT to hire the guy). There is now way this plays out in the real world as positive for Ped State… in the insanity that is college football… nobody gives a s$%^ for those kids or what happened… and they don’t care that this guy might be trouble. Just win baby and bring in the $$.

Pitt maybe ‘cheap’… and part of that might just be because it puts sports into a better perspective of their priority within the entire educational institution.

link to

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:11 pm

“there is no way this plays out in the real world as a positive for Ped state”


4.5 million, all happening so fast… just has a slight feel of desperation to it… (who else has offered this guy a job anyway?… lots of talk about interest but that is just talk. Sounds like he is working it all perfectly for his wallet though (hat’s off to him).

2nd highest ranked coach in the Little 10??? really? does he merit this? Is this how Penn State changes the culture and puts football into perspective within its ‘community’???

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:17 pm

2nd highest paid in Little 10…

oh, and no there is no way these guys have done full due diligence on this guy… search committee of 6 people like you and me flying around the country?

Unless they called Freed and asked if his firm could investigate for them…. LMAO…

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:20 pm

@emel, no good to see the numbers.. puts into perspective. Thanks,

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:22 pm

@ Pittscript

Ped State is desperate, the AD promised a new coach would be hired in a specific time period. Like a week or so. Golden said,,,,,thanks but no thanks.

And so…..this guy is available. Again Vandy replaced a Kentucky or Ole Miss in a 3rd or 4rth tier bowl.

Seems like the whole enchilada was just prepping another one to become a HC a major program.

Maybe the Big 10 was short !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 9:31 pm

Hope the Zoo is well rested for tomorrow. Lot of jumping required.

I still say you don’t make Vandy competitive without braking some rules and taking some shortcuts.

Just what PSU needs to add to their shaky rep.

I will be surprised if this doe not end badly for them.

Plays right into Football is more important than values. 4.5 mill, if I am representing one of the Sandusky/PSU victims, my price just went up.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 9:44 pm

Should always proof read

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 9:45 pm

Emel, Yes, that was James Carvill. He and George Stephanopolis and worked on Bill Clinton’s initial Presidential campaign. He made the comment as an election commentator.

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 9:57 pm

Dang, the # of posts on here today! Always enjoy the reading the thread. Comments on the topics in no particular order:

– I know it seems counter-intuitive, but I don’t think Franklin to Pedo has much impact on Pitt. The WPIAL is the only area that recruiting overlaps, and Pitt and Ped St. have competed forever for these kids. And there are not as many D-I kids in the WPIAL as there used to be, unless Pitt gets a D-I hockey team. Some kids want to stay in the city, some want to go to the farm. We have greater competition from WVU, OSU, Rutgers, etc. With or without Franklin, PSU is a good program that will continue to represent the Big 10 in many an Outback Bowl.

Know nothing about S&C hire Russ Kolodjkjldie (whatever). He could be great, but holy shit could Chryst just once break the stereotype and hire somebody that is not connected to UW?!?

On to hoops – After all the bad loses by ranked teams this week, if Pitt wins tomorrow, they have to be ranked..right???

Last night in a fit of boredom, I looked at every AP poll. I don’t believe the rankings are a huge deal, but it is an interesting phenomenon what influences voting. First off, I can’t believe the guys who vote. Writers from the Missoula Independent, the Idaho Sun, the Podunk Press. No wonder the rankings are F’ed up. Maybe if there were more voters from the cities that actually produce basketball players…

Second, Pitt got some love from some interesting sources, especially towns in which top tier programs reside: Lawrence KS, Lexington, KY, Hartford, CT, Columbus, OH. But not from Kevin Gorman. He knows better.

Headed to the Pete tomorrow for the Nooner. Expecting a beat down of the Demon Deacons. H2P!

Comment by Iron Duke 01.10.14 @ 9:57 pm

upittb thanks for the numbers on JoePa, knew it was small in the grand scheme of collegiate football.

Also knew about his donations back to PSU.

Read or heard that he actually donated more BACK to PSU than he ever was paid in salary.

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 10:26 pm

Tvax. No problem. Emel, good stuff. Yeah, we will see how it plays out. I think Franklin was offered the Tennessee position last year but turned it down unless Im crazy or mixing articles i read. Been a lot of stuff written lately.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 10:40 pm

Carville ran Harris Wofford’s senate campaign. That is when learned about the “T”.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 10:41 pm

It was actually Arkansas. He and Peterson turned down supposedly 5M before they went with Bielma.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 10:50 pm

Time for a new thread.

Comment by panther94 01.11.14 @ 12:55 am

Wake 1-26 on the road in the ACC.

Comment by alcofan 01.11.14 @ 7:19 am

Nice article in the Tribune Review on Pitt hiring Jamie Dixon after pursuing Skip Prosser.

link to

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 8:12 am

Post Gazette article about a possible backlash at Penn State over the hiring of Franklin.

link to

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 8:16 am

So we pay Chryst 1.2M a year and PSU pays Franklin 4.5M a year. When will we get out of the dark ages and quit going cheap? Pederson is a disaster.
Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:27 pm

Personally, I don’t think a football coach should make more that a president of the university. We have our priorities mis appropriated. — Pitt least than Penn State…

Comment by MariettaMike 01.11.14 @ 8:18 am

Well Marietta Mike, I guess they think he’s four times as good. To me it smacks of desperation. The PSU search committee said they would move w quickly and that it would be a matter of days. They thought Al Golden would jump at their offer.
When that didn’t happen and the first round with Franklin didn’t go as planned they upped the ante. To me the whole thing looks like a cluster F%#$*&!

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 8:28 am

Justinian, the only difference is if this search had happened to Pitt Cook and all the others would have trashed Pitt. ,When this search started Joyner said he had head coaches from all over asking about the job. He also said it would be done in days. So he ends up giving 4.5 to Franklin, who is a hot candidate but other than Petrino might have more issues than any other coach. Starkey says PSU is still a great job. Sounds like they overpaid cause they were desperate. On to bigger things- I would one 3 star or better (with southern roots) linebacker and defensive end. Also one elite eight for this season. Thanks

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.11.14 @ 8:47 am

@upittbaseball, I never said Franklin tried to cover anything up. Where did you learn to read UNC? What I said was that he attracted adult rapists to Vanderbilt. They were his recruits correct?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.11.14 @ 9:30 am

Caz, I think you made a good move hiring Jonny Majors the first time. Maybe I take “Nordy” as my handle after he retires.

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 9:32 am

Ha, maybe Johnny could help HCPC put together a new staff. JM might have had best of all time.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.11.14 @ 9:49 am

@upittbaseball, sorry I misunderstood one of your posts I thought was directed at me. My bad. please disregard my last post.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.11.14 @ 10:29 am

Justinian your are totally on the mark…! Desperation… and what kind of due diligence do 6 people flying around the country on a plane do in less than a week?? The O’Brien hire was handled much, much better.

I thought Graham was around 2.5M salary and I assumed PC was similar. Is it confirmed he makes 1.2?

While I agree with MariettaMike that number would seem to be pretty low, even though Pitt should keep things in perspective.

Coaching staff does seem as if they are going the ‘development route’ with the coaches. Who knows how that goes.. again could be building a staff that will be real solid for many years…

… or could be the training ground for Wisky’s next coach staff in 2-3 years!

Hey, to be fair to the DC… didn’t Wanny have some young guy be his DC real early… and was for most of Wanny’s tenure and is now HC at Arkansas state or something like that??

Comment by Pittscript 01.11.14 @ 11:04 am

I know this is a bb post but we have no football post so here goes not the exact words but you will get the idea Franklin said we will recruit all of pa our put it this way all of are team or most of it will be pa kids.
or if you read between the lines i will bury pitt
pa is mine his.

Comment by Frankcan 01.11.14 @ 7:32 pm

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