January 9, 2014

Basketball Notes, 1/9

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 8:36 am

Been a while since I did this, but there is no real theme to what I’m posting, so…

I blasted Dejan Kovacevic a couple times for his “I’m not saying, but the questions are out there” columns. So, good for him on admitting that, yes, he was actually questioning the non-con schedule for preparing the team for the ACC.

For all the teeth gnashing over Pitt not “getting respect” (specifically, being ranked), it’s coming.

More than a couple pieces noting Pitt.

It was the first win in ACC play for Pitt, which of course is new to the league this season. And of all the teams ranked in the top 25 this season — seriously, all 40-ish that have found their way into the polls at some point to another — no group has been on the wrong side of skepticism as much as Jamie Dixon’s Panthers. The doubt was (and maybe still is) warranted.

Now at 13-1 with its next to home games against Maryland and Wake Forest, two teams with 19 wins total, but zero of those Ws against teams ranked in the top 70 of, Pittsburgh is set up to to have it best start, record-wise, since the team got to 19-1 in 2010-11. (In a few ways, that group reminds of this one — and also had a lousy non-conference schedule.)

This season, the Panthers’ sole defeat stems from a hideous Dec. 17 loss, 44-43, to Cincinnati. But it was by just one point, and on the heels of Cincinnati’s win at Memphis Saturday, it’s looking better by the week.

I think Rothstein meant top-50 of, since Stanford is at #54.

Seth Davis at who has been one of the louder complainers of Pitt’s non-con and why they shouldn’t be ranked is also taking note.

This is for all you bargain shoppers out there. After waltzing through a weak nonconference schedule and losing to Cincinnati, 44-43, at Madison Square Garden in one of the ugliest games of the season, the Panthers were demoted to the discount rack. When they fell behind at N.C. State on Saturday, it looked like even that might be too good for them, but you have to give them credit for getting off the mat and winning a conference road game going away. Now I think Pitt is ready to get some work done in its new league. Most of the ACC teams they play are not used to the physical brand of ball that Pitt will bring. The Panthers might not look pretty getting to the NCAA tournament, but I think they’ll get there.

He has seen the rest of the ACC — not to mention college basketball in general — right? Barring major injuries, Pitt is going to be in the NCAA Tournament.

ESPN’s own proprietary computer rankings, the BPI, have Pitt at #5.

Pittsburgh still has not entered the AP Top 25 despite being ranked No. 5 in BPI.

The lone blemish on Pitt’s schedule is a one-point loss on a neutral court against No. 26 Cincinnati. It came on a Titus Rubles offensive putback with less than five seconds remaining. That’s how close Pitt is to being undefeated right now.

Sure, Pitt hasn’t played the most difficult schedule –- its strength of schedule is ranked 90th.

But the Panthers have fared well against their toughest opponents. Other than their one-point loss to Cincinnati, they’ve won each of their other five games against top-100 opponents by at least nine points. Their average margin in those five wins is 17 points.

Thirteen of Pitt’s 14 wins are by at least 12 points. Its closest win was by nine points, 78-69 against No. 81 Penn State.

The biggest issue for Pitt is not the non-con slate is so bad. It’s that they haven’t had many national appearances.

Since I’m always going to watch Pitt, there is little difference in my head between ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or most RSN games. For the casual viewer and a lot of sportswriters who are covering other games that night, it matters. ESPN is what will play in the media rooms, offices and bars. so those will be their glimpses Since Pitt wasn’t ranked in preseason, their patsy games have gotten little play. Even pollsters have to be able to see a team to think about them and decide to rank them. The Cinci game was that big appearance. It was a hideous game, that cemented a lot of biases built-in against Pitt by preseason prognostications.

Only now, after the start of the ACC play has there begun a thawing of that perspective.

It also doesn’t hurt that the ACC is looking more and more like it brought in the lastest wave of Big East teams to raise-up the basketball. Yeesh, UNC. The ACC is not looking hot right now.

The rest.

Every year, another story on the overall versatility of the Pitt players. The biggest difference in my view, to past discussion of versatility is that it usually centered on the guards. How they can play point or elsewhere. This year, it is much more about the forwards. Mike Young, Jamel Artis, Durand Johnson and Lamar Patterson. These are players with different skill sets than in past years. Different strengths and weaknesses. We are seeing the team this year, much more willing to create different match-ups. Stretching opposing defenses.

Hey, yeah. Time for the “Pitt is a physical and tough team” story.

“They were tougher than our team was, period,” N.C. State coach Mark Gottfried said after Pitt’s 74-62 victory Saturday in Raleigh, N.C. “They defended us tougher than we defended them. They got after loose balls, they pushed the ball on the break. And we did not respond.”

Gottfried called it a “tough lesson to learn.”

Maryland coach Mark Turgeon echoed those sentiments after a 79-59 loss Monday at Petersen Events Center, noting the difficulty of driving the lane against Pitt caused his players to stray for perimeter shots.

“If you drive, you’re going to get bumped,” Turgeon said. “They’re going to reach in. A lot of times, they strip it or hit you. So I do think that we settled for too many jump shots, which was disappointing.”

Gottfried called the Panthers’ ability to strip the ball out of an opponent’s hands or diving onto the floor for a loose ball, which resulted in fast-break opportunities and points off turnovers, “part of being tougher with the basketball.”

Again. This is a different team than past ones. Is Pitt strong? Yes. Are they able to play very tough defense? Absolutely. Are they a bruising, brutish team? Absolutely not. Turgeon is playing to the officials for the next game with the bumping and hitting claim. Especially considering how much zone Pitt used against his team — which is what sent them to more jump shots. This team does very little of the style he is claiming. They are getting their hands in on the ball more, but the only time they are bumping is when the ball is loose. Not in the lane.

Point guard columns. Josh Newkirk and James Robinson. If only we could combine the two. Robinson’s court vision, passing, defense and free throw shooting. Newkirk’s speed, three point shooting and aggression. Right now, I’m happy with both.

@ sos22

what neighborhood, part of Charlotte does your brother in law live in ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 5:49 pm

Really liked the arena.
And liked the fans. They are basketball savvy.
The folks dressed in red pants and white shirts were a little bizarre though.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 5:52 pm

Script – I dont think we can compare what Franklin Achieved to what Graham achieved in dogshit conferences. As far as the rapes, a coach can only be held accountable so much for 18 to 22 year olds. Its a shame that garbage happens but to say Franklin in anyway is to blame is not fair. I think the guy is legit and followed him since he took over Vandy. He deserves the accolades and is the hottest of the college coaches next to Saban and Jimbo and Gus. Its a great hire and I think we will have a tough time competing for the same talent against Franklin. The kids will telate to James more than Paul. Spirit – I say some dumb shit but your statement takes the cake. Do you think for a moment PSU would move on Franklin if there was any doubt he tried to cover anything up?

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 5:57 pm

lol They let Sandusky wander around the campus with his own office/key after knowing what he was all about(a pedophile taking advantage of boys with no fathers) in 1998. And probably even before than.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:04 pm

And 6 of Franklins wins this year were against nobodies.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:05 pm

Austin Peay ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:06 pm

Frankly (lol) I think this guy is overhyped and overrated. But that is what the media does.

Ped State can have him, from his other stmts about assistant coaches wives, he seems like an a-hole.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:08 pm

Now….had he taken Vanderbilt to the Sugar Bowl or the Orange Bowl, that would be something.

The BBVA Compass Bowl. whoop

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 6:10 pm

How long and what are the PSU sanctions at this point?

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 6:15 pm

I had heard that Franklin’s staff was making calls to the PSU recruits to calm them down and convince them to stay. Surely this is an NCAA violation if true.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 6:18 pm

Emel, who knows what context it was in? Call me crazy but I hire 25 to 50 people a year and get to know the younger ones throughout college and into a professional world. If they have a hottie as a girlfriend, or better said a total package kind of gal, high character, sweet, cute to me it means these guys can sell themselves and will probably do well. Not to say a guy with an ugly girlfriend cant but playing a numbers game more times than not the kids end up doing well. Its another tool, like grades, extra stuff, leadership, internships and personality profiles.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:21 pm

Sanctions reduced now 20 schollies per year. No bowls till 2016, but all can be reduced again in annual review.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 6:24 pm

So we pay Chryst 1.2M a year and PSU pays Franklin 4.5M a year. When will we get out of the dark ages and quit going cheap? Pederson is a disaster.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:27 pm

Upitt…just out of curiosity, do you look for the same in the females that you hire? Must they have a “hottie” boyfriend or husband in order to help you project success in their careers? How does that go, do you ask one of your female coworkers to tell you if a prospective female employee’s boyfriend is attractive? Really, this notion was first popularized in the movie “Moneyball”. Frankly, it is a little bit silly. Man, if Bill Gates had just had a hotter wife, he could have really been successful!

Comment by HbgFrank 01.10.14 @ 6:37 pm

Does anyone here know what they had payed Paterno for the last few years of his coaching career?

He was a bargain.

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 6:46 pm

Frank – I do not sir. But we are a 92% male dominated Industry. Good point though. It isnt the only thing but it difinitely is one thing Out of about 25 I look at whn possible. Obviously it is only if I see that or see a social media profile. Its beliw the radar of course.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:50 pm


Damn we need an edit option on this site

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 6:54 pm

Tvax – he topped out at 1.2M but back in 07 I think he was around 500k to 600k. He obviously didn’t care about money. He probably is looking down thinking I was 1.2 M and worked there 54 years and the new guy gets 4.5 out of the gate

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 7:06 pm

Tvax – Sorry he topped out at 1.4M. Probably also got camp money. If I remember right he gave 500K a year back to PSU in donations to the school.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 7:08 pm

UPitt, Vandy has the 2nd best SEC record the last 2 years? I didn’t bother to look it up, but it seems USC would be better, maybe LSU as well?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 01.10.14 @ 7:31 pm

you are correct marcus.

Haven’t looked it up either, but remember hearing that South Carolina (USC) had their first back to back …..11 win seasons in school history.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:02 pm

A & M had 9 wins this year. Think they had 10 or 11 last year… so them too.

LSU had 10 wins this year. Probably had 9 or 10 last year. so them too.

UGA might have had as many as they had 8 this year. believe they had more than 9 last year.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:05 pm

Yep Georgia had 12 wins last year and 8 this year so 20.

LSU had 10 this year and 10 last year = 20

A&M had 9 this year and 11 last year = 20

And of course Alabami and South Carolina.

So where’s that put Vandy, 6th I guess.

Ok better than they were, yet only Music City Bowl and the Compass Bowl. So they took a slot from Kentucky or Ole Miss. Whoop Whoop.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:11 pm

As I said before, we had some of best years with the grand puba or (depending on how you feel, grand pedo) up at Creepy Valley.

I’m not too concerned with some schmuck who went to East Stroudsburg State or whatever.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:13 pm

I refuse to believe Franklin will be so dominant a figure. Before Paterno hit eighty he was a good coach, had a great staff and a very popular school behind him. When Pitt had decent coaches we were able to compete for recruits. There will be plenty of players available in the ACC footprint, if we can get to eight wins next year the players will start to listen. The funny thing about all this is that for years people have complained about WPIAL kids on the roster, take a look at this years group. Kids from all over.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.10.14 @ 8:17 pm

As James Carville once said (don’t know if it’s true)…..”Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between”

Don’t know how well Mr. Franklin will play in that.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:17 pm

Beat me to it Emel.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.10.14 @ 8:18 pm

The article I read said that. I will find it and post.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 8:19 pm

Franklin is 24-15 in his three seasons as Vanderbilt’s head coach, matching Dan McGugin for the most wins in school history over a coach’s first three seasons. The Commodores are 16-4 over the past 20 games, second in the SEC only to Alabama. Vanderbilt won the final seven games of 2012 and the final five of 2013 in a stretch that also includes back-to-back bowl wins.

I thought it was last 2 seasons. It was last 20 games bowls included. Penn Live article.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 8:25 pm

As far as the wive’s having to be good looking for him to hire an asst. coach.

Well in theory, maybe not wrong. But do you go on the radio and in a length interview, proclaim this to a radio audience in today’s PC world.

Not real bright. Again I think he’s overrated and over hyped. Media false reality in today’s world.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:25 pm

Dan who ?

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:34 pm

Here’s the end of their 2012 schedule. Cause 16-4 sounds really impressive.

0/27 Massachusetts W (-32.98) W (-33.85) 49-7 W
11/3 at Kentucky W (-9.78) W (-9.50) 40-0 W
11/10 at Mississippi W (-15.66) W (-6.98) 27-26 W
11/17 Tennessee W (-4.34) W (-6.84) 41-18 W
11/24 at Wake Forest W (-9.46) W (-15.72) 55-21 W
12/31 N.C. State (Music City Bowl) **** W (-7.16) 38-24 W

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:36 pm

Back end of 2013 schedule:

11/9 at Florida L (+5) L (+9.22) 34-17 L
11/16 Kentucky W (-23.55) W (-17.58) 22-6 W
11/23 at Tennessee W (-8.51) W (-6.66) 14-10 W
11/30 Wake Forest W (-16.26) W (-14.95) 23-21 W
1/4 Houston
(BBVA Compass Bowl) **** L (+0.95) 41-24 W

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:38 pm

the L at Florida should be a W.

Florida as we know went 4-8 this year. Worst team down there in several decades.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:40 pm

Front end of 2013 season:

8/29 Mississippi W (-4.26) W (-4.26) 35-39 L
9/7 Austin Peay (FCS) W (-43.28) W (-41.79) 38-3 W
9/14 at South Carolina L (+5.16) L (+6.67) 25-35 W
9/21 at Massachusetts W (-31.78) W (-31.99) 24-7 W
9/28 UAB W (-19.80) W (-18.66) 52-24 W
10/5 Missouri W (-10.65) W (-4.60) 28-51 L
10/19 Georgia L (+3.93) L (+5.39) 31-27 L
10/26 at Texas A&M L (+5.16) L (+7.55) 24-56 W

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:43 pm

Franklin to PSU is a self-correcting problem. If he does great, he’ll be off to the NFL soon enough. If he does poorly, we get to witness an epic psychological implosion of the Cult.

Comment by BATR 01.10.14 @ 8:45 pm

The Georgia Game should be a W

Which was their big win of the season. And of the last 2 years.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:48 pm

lol well put BATR.

Could be fun to watch ! 🙂

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:49 pm

My bad about all those other numbers and such, it was included in a software program of mine which was handy.

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 8:51 pm

2upitt… as I said it will cut one way or the other… if all the hype is right great move… didn’t Holgersen have all that hype too?? how many others…

or it cuts the other way… take a Patrino… great coach.. lots of wins… right? but look at the mess because of who he was as a person.

It’s how this is going to play out in public… as the article stated (link below), this guys is going to be called as a witness to these rape trails (plural)… internal communications are not yet public… PSU is just stupid as an academic institution to be putting itself close to this stuff.

The comment on radio was over the top BS too… and it was not just a sentence… it was several paragraphs that show what this man is really thinking… and he was dead a$$ serious about the hot wife crap… wonder what the assistants look like around the office?

look at the pictures of the guy too… like a GQ model on the sidelines… got the shades, shaved head and the whole look going on… this is someone who is very much into himself…

Academic institution… that is what this all suppose to be about first afterall (hence now some PSU professors are starting online polls NOT to hire the guy). There is now way this plays out in the real world as positive for Ped State… in the insanity that is college football… nobody gives a s$%^ for those kids or what happened… and they don’t care that this guy might be trouble. Just win baby and bring in the $$.

Pitt maybe ‘cheap’… and part of that might just be because it puts sports into a better perspective of their priority within the entire educational institution.

link to

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:11 pm

“there is no way this plays out in the real world as a positive for Ped state”


4.5 million, all happening so fast… just has a slight feel of desperation to it… (who else has offered this guy a job anyway?… lots of talk about interest but that is just talk. Sounds like he is working it all perfectly for his wallet though (hat’s off to him).

2nd highest ranked coach in the Little 10??? really? does he merit this? Is this how Penn State changes the culture and puts football into perspective within its ‘community’???

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:17 pm

2nd highest paid in Little 10…

oh, and no there is no way these guys have done full due diligence on this guy… search committee of 6 people like you and me flying around the country?

Unless they called Freed and asked if his firm could investigate for them…. LMAO…

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:20 pm

@emel, no good to see the numbers.. puts into perspective. Thanks,

Comment by Pittscript 01.10.14 @ 9:22 pm

@ Pittscript

Ped State is desperate, the AD promised a new coach would be hired in a specific time period. Like a week or so. Golden said,,,,,thanks but no thanks.

And so…..this guy is available. Again Vandy replaced a Kentucky or Ole Miss in a 3rd or 4rth tier bowl.

Seems like the whole enchilada was just prepping another one to become a HC a major program.

Maybe the Big 10 was short !

Comment by Emel 01.10.14 @ 9:31 pm

Hope the Zoo is well rested for tomorrow. Lot of jumping required.

I still say you don’t make Vandy competitive without braking some rules and taking some shortcuts.

Just what PSU needs to add to their shaky rep.

I will be surprised if this doe not end badly for them.

Plays right into Football is more important than values. 4.5 mill, if I am representing one of the Sandusky/PSU victims, my price just went up.

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 9:44 pm

Should always proof read

Comment by gc 01.10.14 @ 9:45 pm

Emel, Yes, that was James Carvill. He and George Stephanopolis and worked on Bill Clinton’s initial Presidential campaign. He made the comment as an election commentator.

Comment by Justinian 01.10.14 @ 9:57 pm

Dang, the # of posts on here today! Always enjoy the reading the thread. Comments on the topics in no particular order:

– I know it seems counter-intuitive, but I don’t think Franklin to Pedo has much impact on Pitt. The WPIAL is the only area that recruiting overlaps, and Pitt and Ped St. have competed forever for these kids. And there are not as many D-I kids in the WPIAL as there used to be, unless Pitt gets a D-I hockey team. Some kids want to stay in the city, some want to go to the farm. We have greater competition from WVU, OSU, Rutgers, etc. With or without Franklin, PSU is a good program that will continue to represent the Big 10 in many an Outback Bowl.

Know nothing about S&C hire Russ Kolodjkjldie (whatever). He could be great, but holy shit could Chryst just once break the stereotype and hire somebody that is not connected to UW?!?

On to hoops – After all the bad loses by ranked teams this week, if Pitt wins tomorrow, they have to be ranked..right???

Last night in a fit of boredom, I looked at every AP poll. I don’t believe the rankings are a huge deal, but it is an interesting phenomenon what influences voting. First off, I can’t believe the guys who vote. Writers from the Missoula Independent, the Idaho Sun, the Podunk Press. No wonder the rankings are F’ed up. Maybe if there were more voters from the cities that actually produce basketball players…

Second, Pitt got some love from some interesting sources, especially towns in which top tier programs reside: Lawrence KS, Lexington, KY, Hartford, CT, Columbus, OH. But not from Kevin Gorman. He knows better.

Headed to the Pete tomorrow for the Nooner. Expecting a beat down of the Demon Deacons. H2P!

Comment by Iron Duke 01.10.14 @ 9:57 pm

upittb thanks for the numbers on JoePa, knew it was small in the grand scheme of collegiate football.

Also knew about his donations back to PSU.

Read or heard that he actually donated more BACK to PSU than he ever was paid in salary.

Comment by TVax 01.10.14 @ 10:26 pm

Tvax. No problem. Emel, good stuff. Yeah, we will see how it plays out. I think Franklin was offered the Tennessee position last year but turned it down unless Im crazy or mixing articles i read. Been a lot of stuff written lately.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 10:40 pm

Carville ran Harris Wofford’s senate campaign. That is when learned about the “T”.

Comment by xfmrman 01.10.14 @ 10:41 pm

It was actually Arkansas. He and Peterson turned down supposedly 5M before they went with Bielma.

Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 10:50 pm

Time for a new thread.

Comment by panther94 01.11.14 @ 12:55 am

Wake 1-26 on the road in the ACC.

Comment by alcofan 01.11.14 @ 7:19 am

Nice article in the Tribune Review on Pitt hiring Jamie Dixon after pursuing Skip Prosser.

link to

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 8:12 am

Post Gazette article about a possible backlash at Penn State over the hiring of Franklin.

link to

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 8:16 am

So we pay Chryst 1.2M a year and PSU pays Franklin 4.5M a year. When will we get out of the dark ages and quit going cheap? Pederson is a disaster.
Comment by Upittbaseball 01.10.14 @ 6:27 pm

Personally, I don’t think a football coach should make more that a president of the university. We have our priorities mis appropriated. — Pitt least than Penn State…

Comment by MariettaMike 01.11.14 @ 8:18 am

Well Marietta Mike, I guess they think he’s four times as good. To me it smacks of desperation. The PSU search committee said they would move w quickly and that it would be a matter of days. They thought Al Golden would jump at their offer.
When that didn’t happen and the first round with Franklin didn’t go as planned they upped the ante. To me the whole thing looks like a cluster F%#$*&!

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 8:28 am

Justinian, the only difference is if this search had happened to Pitt Cook and all the others would have trashed Pitt. ,When this search started Joyner said he had head coaches from all over asking about the job. He also said it would be done in days. So he ends up giving 4.5 to Franklin, who is a hot candidate but other than Petrino might have more issues than any other coach. Starkey says PSU is still a great job. Sounds like they overpaid cause they were desperate. On to bigger things- I would one 3 star or better (with southern roots) linebacker and defensive end. Also one elite eight for this season. Thanks

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.11.14 @ 8:47 am

@upittbaseball, I never said Franklin tried to cover anything up. Where did you learn to read UNC? What I said was that he attracted adult rapists to Vanderbilt. They were his recruits correct?

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.11.14 @ 9:30 am

Caz, I think you made a good move hiring Jonny Majors the first time. Maybe I take “Nordy” as my handle after he retires.

Comment by Justinian 01.11.14 @ 9:32 am

Ha, maybe Johnny could help HCPC put together a new staff. JM might have had best of all time.

Comment by cas myzlinski 01.11.14 @ 9:49 am

@upittbaseball, sorry I misunderstood one of your posts I thought was directed at me. My bad. please disregard my last post.

Comment by spiritofsection22 01.11.14 @ 10:29 am

Justinian your are totally on the mark…! Desperation… and what kind of due diligence do 6 people flying around the country on a plane do in less than a week?? The O’Brien hire was handled much, much better.

I thought Graham was around 2.5M salary and I assumed PC was similar. Is it confirmed he makes 1.2?

While I agree with MariettaMike that number would seem to be pretty low, even though Pitt should keep things in perspective.

Coaching staff does seem as if they are going the ‘development route’ with the coaches. Who knows how that goes.. again could be building a staff that will be real solid for many years…

… or could be the training ground for Wisky’s next coach staff in 2-3 years!

Hey, to be fair to the DC… didn’t Wanny have some young guy be his DC real early… and was for most of Wanny’s tenure and is now HC at Arkansas state or something like that??

Comment by Pittscript 01.11.14 @ 11:04 am

I know this is a bb post but we have no football post so here goes not the exact words but you will get the idea Franklin said we will recruit all of pa our put it this way all of are team or most of it will be pa kids.
or if you read between the lines i will bury pitt
pa is mine his.

Comment by Frankcan 01.11.14 @ 7:32 pm

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