September 6, 2013

Fitzgerald Number Retirement

Filed under: Alumni,Football,Good,Honors — Chas @ 7:27 am

For those of us stuck watching at home, that meant not seeing the Retirement of Larry Fitzgerald’s number at halftime.

Thankfully Pitt posted it.


He should have won the Heisman.

Comment by Pittastic 09.06.13 @ 8:10 am

Chas – thanks for reposting. There was nothing better than watching Larry Fitzgerald run the fade route in the endzone at Heinz Field. Thank you for the memories Larry.

@Pittastic – who beat him? Hmmm? Jason White. Who drafted him? No one. Who did he play for after college? No one. What does he do now? Sells sneakers and OU memorabilia. I do hope, for the sake of his community, he is half the man Larry Fitzgerald is.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.06.13 @ 8:21 am

Here’s some goosebumps for you. One guy gets expelled while the other has his number retired.

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Comment by wbb 09.06.13 @ 8:43 am

@Pitt Dad – Totally agree.

Comment by Pittastic 09.06.13 @ 8:48 am

What Larry did in front of my eyes at the Texas AM game was out of this world.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 9:16 am

Thanks for posting. What a great player
and class act. He was robbed of the
Heisman. Will never forget his end zone catch
in the insight Bowl.

Comment by JR 09.06.13 @ 9:24 am

Our local idiots – I think it was smizik – voted for Jason White and still to this day says it was the correct choice. I was at the game and the ceremony for Larry was tremendous. I cannot think of another athlete who could represent Pitt in a better light right now.

Comment by rayhpgh 09.06.13 @ 9:47 am

Thanks wbb. We don’t need unfettered PC police.

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.06.13 @ 9:52 am

Smizek, once a jerk always a jerk. Wow wbb, that was really kept quiet. Still a restraining order not the same as a conviction. Money and fame does talk.

I still have mixed feelings about retiring the jersey. No doubt of Fitzgerald’s greatness, he was beyond compare. But, he only played for two years and never won a championship. I guess times change.

He certainly was a class act, although as wbb points out far from perfect.

Comment by gc 09.06.13 @ 10:04 am

Both Smizik and Cook voted for White .. and Cook once again defended his decision on The Fan last week.

They pride themselves of not being homers, to the point of seemingly taking pride to always pointing out the negative at Pitt …. (yet Cook rarely does that to the Steelers.)

Comment by wbb 09.06.13 @ 10:09 am

gc, Good point about his fame and money … if you google ‘Larry Fitzherald domestic abuse’ .. you mainly get stories on how his story has been covered-up by the national media. Note that not only is he an NFL poster boy, his dad is a long-time, respected sportswriter.

Comment by wbb 09.06.13 @ 10:18 am

or to Penn State

Comment by gc 09.06.13 @ 10:19 am

Smizek and Cook who saw Larry’s greatness, receiving catches from an average quarterback on an average team voted for a QB on a mighty Oklahoma team. Probably saw him play once or twice on TV, if that.

They are the opposite of homers, they are trolls.

If you listen to Vinny and Cook you will find that they are both completely without talent bums.

Comment by gc 09.06.13 @ 10:28 am

Who knew. Penny Semaia!

Comment by alcofan 09.06.13 @ 10:42 am

GC – Who is Vinny and Cook? The losers on 93.7?

When I moved away hell it was B94 and played music.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 10:48 am

This was by far the best part of the night…I was extremely impressed by his public speaking capacity. He is a great representative of the university and truly was robbed for the Heisman.

Comment by Marco 09.06.13 @ 10:55 am

actually gc, about 5 or 6 years ago (or maybe even more), Cook took JoePa to task for not expelling a starting FB player who was arrested in the summer for getting into a fight with an off-duty policeman. As it turned out, the player was exonerated.

Cook also ridiculed the hiring of Jamie Dixion.

What Cook is the absolute master of is telling people stuff that they already know … like his article the other day about Pitt failing on the national stage once again.

Comment by wbb 09.06.13 @ 11:09 am

Jason White had the benefit of the best OU line that gave him extra seconds to stand back there and pick his receivers out. NFL knew what was going on.

Comment by Frank MD 09.06.13 @ 11:14 am

Smizik was called out for voting for White on his blog a year or so ago & finally admitted he was wrong. He also admitted he never saw White play, even on tv, & voted based solely on his stats. Why he has a Heisman vote I’ll never know.

Comment by Nick 09.06.13 @ 11:23 am

There is another Pitt great who only played two years but took us to great heights, winning a championship. He was a consensus First team All-American. His jersey should also be retired. His name is DeJuan Blair. HTP!

Comment by pittbluegold 09.06.13 @ 11:38 am

Chas – I was there and it was a really nice moment. I’m sorry you did not get to see the build-up and his entrance onto the field from the tunnel beneath the Student section. The stadium chant of “Larry, Larry” was really nice and the roar as he walked onto the field was befitting of the moment.

How nice for Walt Harris to be there as well.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 09.06.13 @ 12:15 pm

Great Pitt player, great representative of Pitt and turning into a great man.

Comment by Pitt it IS 09.06.13 @ 12:52 pm

I thought it was also nice to hear the ovation for Walt Harris. I think are starting to get that “don’t know what you got til it’s gone” feeling with Walt. He gave us some great games and some big wins. Then the administration decided to run him off.

Nice ovation for Nordenburg too. I didn’t like the booing of Pederson — and I’m definitely not a fan of his — just wasn’t the time or place for it.

Comment by Hank the Tank 09.06.13 @ 1:04 pm

Walt’s time started to become limited back in 02 when his wife showed up on campus and publicly berated him for having a (young) girlfriend (they eventually divorced. It was a very embarrassing situation for the athletic dept.

But what probably really sealed it was his agent’s public remarks during the 04 season when the the admin apparently wasn’t planning to renew him. There was also a public outcry that Walt had brought the program to a decent level, but was unable to raise it any further.

In his final year, Pitt did get to its only BCS albeit won a 4-team tiebreaker in a 7 team league .. with 2 teams combining for only 1 win.

But considering the position the team was iwhen he started, he did do a lot of positives.

Comment by wbb 09.06.13 @ 1:56 pm

Tell me this is a joke? Have I been under a rock?

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Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 2:13 pm

Believe it Pitt vs Texas AM at Heinz Field where Fitzgerald made the first catch that showed just how good he could be.

Remember it being a short curl-in for a first down where he was pretty well covered. The ball seemed too high for anyone to catch. Fitzgerald leaps to pull in the pass, gets upended as the defender takes his legs out, but holds on.

That type of leaping athletic catch would soon become his signature.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.06.13 @ 2:19 pm

Pittofdreams – I didn’t know we played them at Pitt. I think his best game was in College Station..He was sick in TX.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 2:22 pm

Regarding Harris… always thought he and Wanny would make a nice combination… Harris running the offense… Wannstedt the defense.

The only thing left would be to find someone better than either of them to take the reins as Head Coach.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.06.13 @ 2:23 pm

What was it …41-13 in the 4rth quarter, when most of the TV viewers had long since turned off their TV sets, BEFORE the idiots at ESPN decided to mention Larry Fitz’s number being retire.

You know if Fitz had played at Ohio Fake, or Alabama or Oklahoma or one of ESPN’s other favs, the even would have been probably been shown much earlier in the 3rd quarter, when their actually was a significant TV viewing public.

As usual we get the ‘short shrift’.

Just like Larry got in the Heisman voting to a kid who wasn’t even drafted by an NFL team and needless to say didn’t even play Pro football. !

Comment by EMel 09.06.13 @ 2:24 pm

Upitt… believe it was Texas A&M in 2002. Pitt lost 14 to 12.

Remember controversy over the decision by Harris regarding the extra point or two point conversion attempt.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.06.13 @ 2:26 pm

Emel – Big Series tonight…We have to win division. Just making the wildcard isn’t enough. We need a series.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 2:26 pm

**typo (line 5)

ESPN other favs, the EVENT would have been probably shown much earlier in the 3rd quarter, when THERE (getting as bad as the Saskatchewan numbnuts) actually was a significant TV viewing public.

Oy Vey

Comment by EMel 09.06.13 @ 2:27 pm

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PittofDreams – Awesome Pic minues Emel’s favorite Dino Cat.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 2:32 pm

Yep Yep UPitt

I was hoping they’d save Liriano for the Cards, as he has owned them. Maybe since he only pitched 3 innings on Weds., they can bring him back on Sunday.

While I agree with the division title, we’ve accomplished goal 1, a non-losing season. Goal 2 is a winning season, so that hopefully is tonite. Goal 3 is just making the playoffs, which is a tremendous accomplishment for a team with 20 consecutive losing seasons. And since we’ve added Bryd, Buck & Morneau, Goal 4 is within reach, the Division Title. Goal 5 is the NL Pennant. And you know Goal 6 !

Beat em Bucs !
Hail to Pitt !

Comment by EMel 09.06.13 @ 2:33 pm

#6 Beat Red Sox and Win World Series!!!!

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.06.13 @ 2:35 pm

Nice pic.

Too bad Fitz got stuck wearing those hideous helmets, courtesy of Cornhole.

Cornhole’s blunder will live in infamy on Fitz’s stadium banner as long as we play in Heinz.

Comment by EMel 09.06.13 @ 2:39 pm

Thanks Upitt… great shot.

But the one I’m thinking of was the previous year at Heinz. Fitzgerald caught 10 passes for 103 yards as true freshman.

Obviously, from the photo the following year in College Station… it did become his signature.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.06.13 @ 2:40 pm

Maybe I missed it.

But with all the criticism of Pitt by the PG & Trib after the game in their various post game articles.

Not a peep on the booing of Smiley at halftime.

Comment by EMel 09.06.13 @ 2:42 pm

If you listen to Vinny and Cook you will find that they are both completely without talent bums.
Comment by gc 09.06.13 @ 10:28 am

Agree gc. Don’t understand how these 2 clowns have a radio show. From the sound of Vinny’s mouth full of marbles voice, not even from Pittsburgh.

So I never even bother to turn them on. Cook thinks he’s smarter than everyone in Pittsburgh since he went to Northwestern. Schmuck !

Comment by EMel 09.06.13 @ 2:55 pm

@UPITT, I believe that is true. He calls home Pittsburgh.

Hard for some to believe, but a lot of Steelers, Pirates and Penguins end up living here after their playing days.

Funny story, one of the local sports stations wanted to talk to Michael Terrien, a Montreal native and former Pens coach. They asked if he would call in if he was listening. (for some game break down stuff).

He called in. The one guy say, hey, you’re calling from a 412 area code, where are you.

He said “Mt. Lebanon”. Radio guy says, “what are you doing in town?” Terrien says “never left, I love it here”.

Certainly not a vacation destination, but a pretty good place to raise a family and enjoy your life.

Some Sunday morning, during baseball’s off season, go out to the meadows, Jim Leyland will be at one of the slot machines having a coffee.

So, I would imagine that Walt just might be down at Cal U.

Comment by Dan 09.06.13 @ 3:35 pm

In the 02 Teaxas A/M game Pitt did the swinging gate extra point & were called for 2 false starts. They missed the PAT & then had to go for 2 on their second TD to tie the game & missed. They lost 14-12. I remember T A/M’s guys outweighed us by about 50 lbs per man on the lines & somehow Pitt managed to hang with them.

Comment by Nick 09.06.13 @ 4:05 pm


could it have been a solid game plan and excellent coaching? those two things go a long way.

Comment by goalie44 09.06.13 @ 4:28 pm

Not sure the swinging gate fiasco and excellent coaching belong in the same conversation.

There’s no shortage of boneheaded coaching decisions in Pitt’s football history, but the swinging gate has to be right up there with best of them.

Comment by dinosaur 71 09.06.13 @ 5:37 pm

as I recall, all listed above about the 14-12 game is accurate … Fitz 1st of 10 catches and swinging gate.

Next year at College Station is when Fitz made long TD catch between 2 defenders. Btw, in post-game interview, Harris acknowledged his girlfriend among his thankees.

The game I remember that fitz really came to prominence was the 02 primetime game at Va Tech. He made 2 endzone fade catches between 2 Hokie defenders. I can still remember Mike Golic “Are you kidding me!”

Comment by wbb 09.06.13 @ 5:50 pm

The greatest college athlete not to win the Heisman.

Comment by TX Panther 09.06.13 @ 6:55 pm

It was worth the drive and witnessing that beat down to catch the retirement ceremony.

Comment by Chris 09.06.13 @ 7:05 pm

Larry only played two seasons for Pitt, but his on-the-field performance will last a life time.

I agree with other Blogger’s — Larry was the best football player that did not to win the Heisman trophy.

Hail to Pitt and Larry Fitzgerald!

Comment by MariettaMike 09.07.13 @ 7:28 am

Local commits and commit hopefulls last night:Dennis Briggs 2 td 9 and 14 yds. Elijah 6 catches for 109 yds. 1 td. Shai McKenzie 9 carries for 218 yds to break former Pitt great Brian Davis’s school record, 4658 yds.

Comment by alcofan 09.07.13 @ 9:00 am

Maybe the two biggest travesties to Pitt Hugh Green losing to Rodgers and Fitz losing to White. Unreal.

Comment by chethejet 09.07.13 @ 9:25 am

Anyone impressed with House’s responses to questions after the game?

Not me.

See the guy as stubborn, determined maybe… but not exactly wise.

Huxtable was wise… and that often translates to cunning which is a great attribute for a Defensive Coordinator.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.07.13 @ 9:35 am

Vinny and Cook are two local Baltimore homers who somehow picked up a national show on Sundays, Vinny was with Notre Dame,the niners, and the redskins. Cook coaches Woman’s BB at the local community college. These guys suck

Comment by Steve h 09.07.13 @ 9:54 am

Must apologize for my comments above on House.

That does come close to bashing.

Comment by PittofDreams 09.07.13 @ 9:59 am

I have no problem with Larry getting his jersey retired and support it because he certainly is deserving. What I can’t understand is how Pitt can defend not retiring Sam Clancy’s number as probably sacrificed an NBA career by playing here for four years. He played center in a forwards body for four years to accommodate the teams needs. He tried out for the football team after completing his hoop eligibility at defensive end but was bypassed because Pitt legends Jackson and Green were entering their senior seasons at the position. He tried the NBA developmental league to develop the skills to that he needed to play forward, having never had that chance at Pitt. I heard that effort ended when a fight in a developmental game that got very ugly. I can’t imagine anyone being dumb enough to fight Sam Clancy but I am sure of two things. 1) he didn’t start it 2) the guy who did is lucky to have survived. Sam then played 10 great years of pro football as his only remaining option to a pro career. Fitzgerald jumped to a pro career after partially completing his commitment to Pitt. Clancy had a pro career despite sacrificing his NBA chances to complete his. Sam was as fine a rebounder and one of the most impressive basketball players ever at Pitt. He gave everything he had in effort and talent and is even more deserving than Fitzgerald. It is high time that Pitt fans demand that his jersey be retired.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.07.13 @ 10:02 am

Having a bye week this early hurts us. Hell we could use it in like week 6 or 7. Not week 2.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 10:07 am

chethejet, One of the things that hurt Hugh in his Heisman quest was that Ricky Jackson wasn’t even considered for the award and their senior year he played even better than Green. It isn’t fair but the DE position isn’t given a fair shot, and it is even harder when your teammate is doing as well as you without being considered at all.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.07.13 @ 10:10 am

I honestly think Pitt should hire Walt back in some capacity. With his great offensive mind I’m sure he can do something rather than coaching Division II ball, not that there is anything wrong with that but I think we could use him. Maybe in the press box. I used to see him running in Oakland all the time and he was always really nice! Pitt will win its next three games and all of us will eat crow! Lets go Pitt!!!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.07.13 @ 10:13 am

disagree that Fitz was the best college player not to win the Heisman. The best college player I ever saw was Hugh Green who was top shelf for 4 years, and finished 2nd for Heisman also, which remains the highest for any full-time defensive player ever.

Comment by wbb 09.07.13 @ 10:14 am

Sweet Caroline. Ealt was fired from Cal U after one season. No idea how that happens.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 10:18 am

House has been the guy for 1 game, don’t count the bowl game. At least give him half a season.

I too would like to see an aggressive hard hitting defense. Let’s see how we do vs. teams with less or equal talent before we hang House.

I will say however, if Chryst’s hiring process and eventual selection was determined by a weak budget, I am concerned for our future success in the ACC. Pitt has to look at ACC coaching and recruiting budgets and be competitive, at least in the second if not first quadrant. Money can’t solve everything, but the lack of it will doom us to mediocrity at best.

I like Sam Clancy, but how do you retire a jersey for a guy who couldn’t make the pros in his own sport?

Comment by gc 09.07.13 @ 10:29 am

Agree with wbb, I have seen Hugh Green listed as the greatest college player of all time on some lists.

He dominated and took over games, still has our sack record 49, back when teams didn’t pass as much. No one got around his end. Jackson comes close to deserving his jersey be retired, but there can only be one, otherwise it cheapens the act.

I told this story before, in Zelda’s after a game,
slapped Hugh Green on the back in congratulations, felt like hitting a granite wall.

Comment by gc 09.07.13 @ 10:37 am

re: Sam Clancy – perhaps there should be a ring of honor in the Pete. Not necessarily retire bball jersey but recognize those who gave greatly for Pitt. That would be a fitting tribute to DeJuan Blair. Jerome Lane. Lots of great names to recognize.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.07.13 @ 10:44 am

I loved Sam Clancy too, but not sure his number should be retired. I don’t doubt he put some time in at the center position, but I don’t recall it being his primary position. Not that they were great players, but didn’t Ed Scheurmann and Steve Beaty get most of the center minutes? Does Sam still work in the Pitt athletic department?

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 09.07.13 @ 10:54 am

Florida and the SEC Athlete far trump Miami and the ACC Athlete.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 11:06 am


That is hardly the case. What game are you watching?

Comment by notrocketscience 09.07.13 @ 11:26 am

Clancy was better than Blair and better than Lane. Blair was my favorite player ever at Pitt and Jerome was great , Sam did more for longer than either. He got stuck playing with his back to the basket for 4 years and never reached his full hoop potential because he played here. If he had gone to Duke or North Carolina he would have played and starred in the NBA. He could have been an all American in football anywhere else. He was the greatest pure rebounder to ever play at Pitt and wasn’t quite 6’7″. Lane was an outstanding rebounder and Blair was a beast, but Sam Clancy was better. He gave to Pitt beyond what was reasonable to ask and we should recognize that and honor it. If we can retire Fitzgerald who wisely moved on for money and glory, then it is wrong not to acknowledge Clancy who gave more and is every bit as deserving. This guy played 10 years in the NFL and never played a down of college football, all to the benefit of our basketball team. I would argue he is way more deserving than Brandon Knight and I agree with his jersey hanging in the rafters. Anyone who saw Clancy perform at Pitt and understands his sacrifice would endorse his selection for this honor. I am afraid if much more time is allowed to pass he will be overlooked. I think that would be a tragedy.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.07.13 @ 11:26 am

The same as you. Im talking athlete vs athlete. Gators win easily.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 11:32 am

gc, Brandon Knight couldn’t make it but his is retired because of his contribution to our program. I agree he is deserving but Clancy’s contribution was greater and so was his play. Sam earned it and if you watched him and understood his contribution you would not be posting against the idea.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.07.13 @ 11:35 am

Rocket Science – Morris is a stud though i will say that. Plus Golden is a awesome coach. Still think UF wins.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 11:43 am

oh btw Miami is playing in front of a decent amount of empty seats..its not just us..

Comment by rhyno527 09.07.13 @ 12:04 pm

Clancy was the 1st player at Pitt to score 1000 pts. and grab 1000 boards and still is the all time rebound leader. He holds a degree from Pitt and was born and raised here. He got us to the NCAA tournament his senior year at a time when our program never made it. He could have played college football anywhere else as evidenced by the fact that he played over a decade in the NFL. Instead he played 4 years out of position basketball for our sorry program. It can be argued that he gave more of himself to our basketball program than anyone in it’s history. If they can retire Larry Fitzgerald’s jersey, who only stayed here for what 2 years, then they need to make room at the Pete to hang Sam Clancy’s jersey where it belongs.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.07.13 @ 12:14 pm

…and I read the attendance in Happy Valley is around 82,000 but they’ll announce much higher

Comment by rhyno527 09.07.13 @ 12:17 pm

Ryno. Sunlife holds 80k and Heinz holds 65k. I dont see empty seats. Where did you see them?

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 12:24 pm

We can disagree but Fitz is a future HOF and Hugh turned out to have a less distinguished career than Ricky or Chris.

Comment by TX Panther 09.07.13 @ 12:31 pm

Heinz holds 15k more than it should for the typical Pitt game. True Pitt fans stay until the end. Thank you students for being so devoid of spirit.

Comment by TX Panther 09.07.13 @ 12:34 pm

There’s a big section of orange, that looks like empty seats, however, that’s the Florida fans.

Announcers said it was sold out.

Agree though, during the year though when it’s not UF or FSU, there will be plenty or their orange friends visible.

Comment by Dan 09.07.13 @ 12:44 pm

And beating a dead horse, why not, this is a good place to do it.

When I rant about our high school logo at mid-field and lack of ACC logo’s at the 20’s, in all honesty, I kind of never talked about Miami.

I knew we weren’t the only one, I knew Miami’s field markings were terrible also!!!

Wow, was I wrong. Just walked by the tv at work, stopped and looked for a moment………suprised I could not more be!!!

Miami has a huge, beautiful green and orange “U” at midfield, looks like any other college field.

Sure enough, beautiful white, trimmed with green and orange ACC logos at the 20’s!!!!!!!!!

Beautiful!!! Looks like a college field to me in a professional stadium.

Looks like Miami Hurricanes stadium.

When SCAM B built Heinz Field, it was a total cost of 281 million.

Steelers paid 76 million of the 281 million.

My fuzzy math, tells me the Steelers own %27, the Region (taxpayers) owns %73.

Pitt is in the region. It is also the biggest employer in the region.

Why should the Steelers bully Nordy and Smug Smile Steve??? Unless neither one of them wants to upset the apple cart. Don’t want to offend the Rooneys???

I guess details and crossing your t’s and dotting your i’s are over rated.

Silly me. Just blow up a big ballon that the kids can throw footballs through, that’ll be fine.

Comment by Dan 09.07.13 @ 12:56 pm

tx Panther, I don’t think professional success should be a determining factor in retiring players jerseys. I think the decision should be made on what they accomplished while here. Did they graduate? Did they conduct themselves in a way that reflects well on Pitt? The fact that others accomplished more in the pros than Green will never change my memory of what an incredible college player he was. The fact that Marino never won a Super Bowl doesn’t change the fact that he was the best quarterback I ever saw at Pitt. Tony Dorsett might have been the best college running back I ever saw ,but I have seen quite a few better in the NFL.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 09.07.13 @ 1:04 pm

It’s the grass???

Almost all of the ACC teams play on grass.

BC and Wake are the only two I can think of that use field turf.

Can’t take the logos off in time for the Dolphins??? Miami U. and the Dolphins seem to manage.

P.S. I’m a Steeler fan also. Just sayin’!!

Comment by Dan 09.07.13 @ 1:13 pm

Miami and Florida both look ok. I think FSU would blow either of them off the field.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.07.13 @ 1:29 pm

Clemson, FSU, Miami and Louisville match the SEC athlete vs athlete. No other ACC team do.

Comment by notrocketscience 09.07.13 @ 1:35 pm

I hate that I find myself rooting for Miami. I will have to shower after this game. It is important the ACC wins these match ups.

Comment by notrocketscience 09.07.13 @ 1:37 pm

@notrocketscience – feels a little like rooting for WVU, no? Rooting for the conference but not the team.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.07.13 @ 1:40 pm

@Dan – if you put a winning team on the field, no one will care about the logos.

Comment by Pitt Dad 09.07.13 @ 1:41 pm

But we aren’t winning which is why the logos and uniforms and lack of stadium is talked about! It will be like that forever! I also wish Heinz field would spruce the field up a bit. Not the Roonys style I guess! I mean the one endzone always has lines through it, what’s up with that?

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.07.13 @ 2:15 pm

Rocket Science.. You were right! Bad part is Miami winning helps them in the recruiting battle for Florida talent.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 2:18 pm

Yea that was pretty sad.

They could have least had a better PITT logo at midfield and the ACC logos for a Labor Day Nite only football game, nationally televised game of the night.

It was the 1rst game of the year, so the field was in good condition.

That midfield logo made PITT look bush league.

We all know the Steelers organization loves Pedo State. They always have one or two on the roster, and Bradley is the team doctor.

The kept Derrick Moye, a marginal player, just like that 4rth string TE they had and the punter, both from Pedo State. Yes they signed LaRod, I just hope he doesn’t become a goat for them, like they did with Poteat.

Screw Pedo State, just because and the Stillers for putting that bush league logo on the field.

Comment by EMel 09.07.13 @ 2:22 pm

Yea the lines in the End Zone look like a HS school field from the 1960’s.

What cheap skates !!! haha

Comment by EMel 09.07.13 @ 2:24 pm

Go ACC. Miami looks tough. Really good D.

Comment by notrocketscience 09.07.13 @ 2:40 pm

Can’t wait to kick their butt on the last game of the year! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.07.13 @ 2:43 pm

When I hear about Clancy I always think about the game where he tore up Mike Gminski.

Comment by alcofan 09.07.13 @ 2:44 pm

Pitt Dad, I agree with Dan on this. We should care plenty about making Heinz Field “our house” on game day. It is about branding and image.
The fact is, if we were winning and playing at a high level that would make our bush league field even worse. ACC logo’s…Oh we had them, on the sidelines well out of view of the cameras. I have never seen that done before. And that small, pathetic Pitt logo they put in the center of the field is actually an upgrade from the even more pathetic version that was originally used (it was just four block “PITT” letters in white paint). They need to install artificial turf so that the stadium can be fully utilized as the mostly publicly financed facility that it is. Then you can have proper signage on the field for the Steelers, the Panthers, High School Football playoffs, and any other uses there are for a stadium.

Comment by HbgFrank 09.07.13 @ 2:49 pm

lol Sweet Caroline.

That will be a good indicator to see if PITT improved much during the course of the year.

Another win for the ACC over the SEC.
And 2 very highly ranked SEC teams.

Florida today.
Georgia last week.

Tide might be turning !

*sidenote Texas-SanAntonio scored 35 points on Okie State. Their defense must be dreadful !

Comment by EMel 09.07.13 @ 2:53 pm

If Oregon wants they can score 150 points against Virginia.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.07.13 @ 3:10 pm

Spirit, I wouldn’t have retired Brandon Knight’s jersey either. TX, Hugh Green didn’t do as much in the pros cause of a car accident, but again, irrelevant to the Heisman, or to his greatness at Pitt.

It’s getting like giving everyone a trophy for participating in Little League. The last two jersey retirements have been more about Pitt PR, than player greatness.

I agree with a ring of fame or some other designation. I don’t care how great you were, if you did’t elevate your team to a Championship or set an all-time record, not just for your school, it’s just another feel good moment.

I also think you should effen graduate, just saying.

Comment by gc 09.07.13 @ 3:27 pm

Has anyone heard anything about the recruits that were at the game? I thought for sure we would get at least one commit even though the game wasn’t good.

Comment by Shawn 09.07.13 @ 3:43 pm


Chris Peak at PantherLair tweeted a day or two ago that the response among many of the recruits who were there was positive. Apparently, what impressed a number of the kids the most was the atmosphere and the fact that a number of freshmen saw substantial playing time. I’m not a subscriber to Peak’s site and I don’t follow the kids themselves on Twitter, so I’m not 100% sure of details. I did see, though, some retweets and mentions of comments that Shai McKenzie made that seemed favorable. Same with Dravon Henry from Aliquippa, though those reports were mixed as well.

Regardless, the staff seems to be pushing the idea of the contributing early to the recruits. I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned on this blog yet (in previous threads), but apparently a Pitt staffer took some quotes from Tyler Boyd and designed this, which Boyd’s mom had posted on her Facebook page and it subsequently went viral among some Pitt fans on Twitter:

link to

I think it’s an encouraging sign of progress, one that could go a long way towards hopefully luring in local talent like Henry, McKenzie, Nicholson, Whitehead, etc.

As far as the lack of commitments, I wouldn’t sweat it. At this point, most kids will take their allotted visits before making any sort of commitment. I’m glad that Pitt got all of these kids in early, because at least it allowed them to a make a good impression right away. We may not see an atmosphere quite like that again until the ND and Miami games.

Comment by Stoosh 09.07.13 @ 4:07 pm

VA putting up a little bit of a fight, not completely lying down. Nice goal line stop.

Comment by gc 09.07.13 @ 4:11 pm

ACC looking good at the top. Pitt’s season is still there for the taking.

By the way, wondering if House found himself a sleeping bag for the office yet?

Comment by PittofDreams 09.07.13 @ 5:46 pm

Both papers mention Thomas this morning. Sounds like Thomas is still in the doghouse or the coaches are still being stubborn. Say the scheme was fine, just poor execution. While I don’t think the scheme would have changed much, they sound a little defensive.

“We should have tackled better” No duh

Comment by gc 09.08.13 @ 4:56 am

Sports Illustrated about to publish exposé on WVCC special teams coach Joe DeForest, who by the way makes $500,000 and special teams cost the Hoopies the game last night in Norman. Apparently while in OK State between 2001 ans 2011 under Les Miles and Mike Gundy, paid players and provided sex to recruits. Ollie Luck has launched an “internal investigation” to determine if has also occurred in Morganhole as well. Stay tuned.

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 09.08.13 @ 8:01 am

Heres the good news about our pass defense:

– New Mexico wins in OT vs. a bleh UTEP team. They racked up 395 yards on the ground, but only 88 passing. Sounds like they are a poor man’s Navy or Ga Tech.

– Duke’s Anthony Boone broke his collar bone and is out indefinitely (although his understudy did well).

– UVa is averaging 3.6 yards per pass in their first 2 games.

– Lots of VT fans are calling for Logan Thomas to be benched. Pitt owned him last year.

– ODU is 0-2 and has not looked good, getting thumped by a Maryland team that is decent but not that much better than Pitt.

– Navy and GT will run first.

– Tommy Rees

That brings us to week 10 and Bryn Renner before Pitt sees another decent passing attack. Obviously some of these teams have other strengths and can beat Pitt different ways, but we shouldn’t have to worry about getting lit up through the air again like we did last week for some time.

Pitt can (never say should with Pitt) be 3-1 headed to Blacksburg, can be 5-2 headed to Atlanta. If they want to go bowling they’d better be, the last month of the schedule is brutal.

Comment by Iron Duke 09.08.13 @ 9:38 am

To Iron Duke,

You are truely an optimist to predict Pitt will be 3-1 going into
the VT game. Sad to say however after watching games
from around the country Pitt will be fortunate to win 4
games this season. Predicting wins over NM, ODU, Syracuse,
and Navy…..any other wins will be considered huge.

Comment by JR 09.08.13 @ 10:28 am

I do not think wins over Duke and UVA will be considered huge.

Comment by Frank MD 09.08.13 @ 11:04 am

Any win right now is huge! I just can’t believe it when I look at the top 25. Teams like Stanford and Northwestern are ranked and improving while we struggle! Very frustrating for all Pitt fans! Hope they get it figured out! Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.08.13 @ 11:24 am

So, a lot of my Notre Dame fans in my family, extended family and friends were blowing up the social media last night about interference calls!!!

I jumped in and said, remember what you guys all said last year “a penalty or two didn’t change the outcome of the game”.

And I laughed, and I laughed, and I laughed!!!

Comment by Dan 09.08.13 @ 11:38 am

I’ve been saying this for years too.

Listen, you get no argument from me, the SEC is unquestionably the best conference. Without a doubt. 7 nat’l champs in a row, hard to argue.

And I’m not arguing that, so don’t yell at me.
I admit, it’s the BEST.

However, this business with some of the media acting like it’s a conference full of nothing but teams that consist of Packers, Steelers and 49’ers era dynasty teams has got to stop.

Ya, they usually have the two or three best teams. Alabama, LSU, and Florida. Good next place teams, S.Carolina and Georgia.

Ok. They also have a lot of shite in their conference just like anyone else.

Kentucky and Tennessee?? Garbage.
Auburn and Arkansas, complete crap.
Miss State. Sucks

Vandy. Garbage for 40 years. Ok, they play a little better the past two years, but have been everyone’s punching bag for years.

Again, they’re the best, no question. Let’s stop with the it’s a Steelers-Ravens game every time any team in the conference plays any other team in the conference.

Comment by Dan 09.08.13 @ 11:44 am

Hell, Pitt just beat Kentucky a couple years ago.

Comment by Dan 09.08.13 @ 11:45 am

JR read again, didn’t predict Pitt would be 3-1, said they CAN be. Duke just lost their starting QB and Virginia lost by 50. Pitt will certainly have a legit shot at a W in both games.

Comment by Iron Duke 09.08.13 @ 12:59 pm

I’m with you ironman! I’m saying they WILL be 3-1 by the end of the month! We are all going to look back and say FSU was the real deal when they are in contention for a title game. And I though the same thing about the pass interference calls! They deserve it! Karma!!!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 09.08.13 @ 1:17 pm

UVA is hard to figure out, they beat BYU who clobbered Texas last nite like 40-21.

But lost by 50 to Oregon, but we would probably lose by 50 to Oregon as well.

Deciding factor might be we are at home. But Heinz is not a real big Home factor since we started playing there.

So who knows, one thing we need much better QB play and better scheme on blitz blocking.

And of course any scheme OTHER than the Defensive one we played (if u want to call it that) against FSU.

Comment by EMel 09.08.13 @ 3:25 pm

Tennesshee (as Dr. Lou says) is off to a 2-0 start under Butch (the guy from Cincy).

And beatup a decent WKU team yesterday. Are they going to compete in the SEC EAst. Not yet, but they will get better as that coach is pretty good.

Miss State was pretty good last year or two, as Dan Mullin is another good coach.

Auburn will be better with Gus Malzahn as HC and Arkansas has the HC from Wisconsin. And Arky was very good just a few seasons ago under Motorcycle Bobby. haha

All of these teams are in fertile recruiting ground so they can rebuild quickly with the right coach.

IMO, the only reason we beat Kentucky was the players were wanting to win one for DW.
Since we know they didn’t give a crap about Tiny.
Nor them him

Comment by EMel 09.08.13 @ 3:34 pm

New Mexico scored a bunch of points (42) yesterday after only scoring 13 in opener.

Beat UTEP in Overtime….42-35

They went to a mostly running offense and a RB of theirs Casey Carrier ran for almost 300 yards (291) on 41 carries and had 4 TD’s. The Lobos only threw 7 passes, all game, completed 4 for 88 yards. QB also ran for 59 yds.

They made some big changes to their offense from Week 1.

So will PITT be able to stop their running attack with our weak LB play ???

Comment by EMel 09.08.13 @ 3:46 pm

That game was played at the Sun Bowl, UTEP’s home field.

What I thought was going to be a rout after the way New Mexico played in Week 1, (a Home loss to Texas SanAnotnio) might be a game now. As Texas SanAntonio is better than I thought, scoring 35 points on Okie State.

We bess not overlook……Los Lobos .

Comment by EMel 09.08.13 @ 3:52 pm

I expect the Steelers to be drafting 3rd or 4th next year in the first round.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.08.13 @ 4:49 pm

Just an awful week in Pittsburgh sports. Suddenly the Buccos starting pitching looks suspect, the Cards beat them up this weekend. Who wins more games this year, Pitt or the Steelers?

Comment by Iron Duke 09.08.13 @ 4:58 pm

I’d put my money on the Panthers… Steelers may win 5. Tomlin inherited a good team and has had terrible drafts and has moved the Steelers backwards. As far as House is concerned Texas just fired their DC….Are we too good to do the same?–texas-fires-defensive-coordinator-manny-diaz–hires-greg-robinson-as-replacement-210753235.html

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.08.13 @ 5:00 pm

I guess UT wouldn’t agree with Pitt for keeping House around after laying two stink bombs in a row:
link to

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.08.13 @ 6:21 pm

What part of Texas are you in, Upittbaseball?

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.08.13 @ 6:22 pm

UTEP is always tough at the Sun Bowl (just ask UH). I hopes these guys are right who think Pitt will win the next three. Watched a lot of college football this weekend…don’t think Pitt has any sure wins ahead. I just hope they play with the same tenacity UH showed yesterday against perennial pain-in-Pitt’s butt Temple. Was Wanny the stealth coach of the Owls’ special teams?

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.08.13 @ 6:26 pm


Comment by TonyinHouston 09.08.13 @ 6:26 pm

UPitt, Right now I would too.

Pitt would never do what Texas did; which is all you need to know about the importance of a winning football program at both schools. And if they did, they wouldn’t hire a replacement, just turn the duties over to one of the existing coaches until the season ended. And I say that with only mild sarcasm.

Comment by Iron Duke 09.08.13 @ 6:29 pm

Tony – Fort Worth, TX.

Iron Duke – I agree. Football isn’t a priority. Question is when are they going to take Mack out back and lay him down. He is killing the program.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.08.13 @ 6:36 pm

Will be interested in SI’s article regarding Okie State and improprieties that focus on Joe DeForest the $500,000 special teams coach at Cheat Lake U! Holgie was there for a year (nary a drink or two) while the paying of students athletes and sexing of recruits allegedly happened. The loss of Anthony Boone will hurt Duke for sure but as Emel mentioned Connette went 14/21 as his sub at QB. H2P. Hope 2 be there live @ Durham for a Panther victory! UPone

Comment by UPone 09.08.13 @ 7:01 pm


Whether it is New Mexico, New Hampshire,
New Orleans, or New York the Pitt team
we saw on Labor Day can’t take any
opponent for granted. They had better
come ready to play.

Lastly booing Steve Pederson is a
classless act. Wonder what the recruit

Comment by JR 09.08.13 @ 7:03 pm

Wasnt Les Miles the HC?

Emel – By the way take Cowboys -4 tonight.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.08.13 @ 7:04 pm

Pitt isn’t serious about sports period. Its luke warm towards basketball and that’s about it. We are a basketball school to Nordy and Stevie. The other sports be damned. Stevie is killing our program. This will be Mack’s last year at Texas. The boosters will pressure him to resign and will make it financially attractive. Are there any Pitt boosters out there willing to pay $4M to buy out Stevie?

Comment by TX Panther 09.08.13 @ 9:33 pm

@Emel, agree whole heartedly!! Those programs will be back.

And as they do, some others will go down.

The SEC will always 3 or so teams in the top 10 and 3 more in the top 20, absolutely.

They’re the best.

It’s just some of the talking heads slobbering over themselves to compliment the SEC. It’s embarrassing.

My view is not of a former Big East or new ACC membership.

I don’t have a favorite conference, I love them all. I’m a college football junkie.

Nice to see Clemson and the “U” get the wins, but I’m not doing a comparison.

I’m strictly talking about some of the talking heads, that embarrass themselves. It’s sophomoric.

I love the SEC!! It’s the best conference.

They do have their warts though. The way some of these guys talk is like the SEC is made up of 14 teams of Alabama. Just not true. That’s all.

When an SEC teams loses to another conference, they quickly say, (well this is the bottom of the conference, or they had an off day). No kidding, that may be true, but they’re part of the conference!!!

Not referring to Clemson or Miami’s recent wins, they got a lot of respect for those wins, I’m referring to past wins by other conferences.

Hell, recently, along with those wins, Clemson has beaten LSU and Auburn, other couch burning brothers to the south opened a can of whip ass on Georgia a few years back. Many others if you look them up.

Comment by Dan 09.08.13 @ 10:20 pm

SEC vs other conferences since BCS started 1998.

SEC vs PAC 12 regular season 10-12
SEC vs PAC 12 bowl games 1-0

SEC vs Big 12 regular season 6-10
SEC vs Big 12 bowl games 21-8

SEC vs ACC regular season 42-36
SEC vs ACC bowl games 16-9

SEC vs Big 10 regular season 7-4
SEC vs Big 10 bowl games 19-19

SEC vs Big East regualr season 16-15
SEC vs Big East bowl games 3-9

Actually, pretty pedestrian. I would imagine a lot of you can’t even believe the SEC has lost so many games to other conferences did you???

The SEC fawners don’t talk about loses.

Some might say, look at the Big East record in bowls, the Big East has a better record, which just goes to show, that, that’s the top of the BE playing the bottom of the SEC.

That may be true, that’s why it’s called a conference, all teams in the conference count.

Once again, I actually love SEC football, Georgia S.Carolina was another great game.

Just tone it down a bit talking heads. The girl you have the crush on has pimples on her back!!!

Comment by Dan 09.08.13 @ 10:29 pm

As for our Pitt Panthers.

Well, I see New Mexico put some points on the board. Regardless of who they played, they put them up.

I mean, who are we to question or look down on others teams abilities until we rebuild our own program.

This is a HUGE game for Pitt.

Do we whip New Mexico, get a better feeling for the future schedule and hopefully on tract for this year to get 6 or 7 wins. Realizing, we played one of the best teams in the ACC and possibly the country in our first game, and the best is yet to come.

Or do we struggle to win, dare I say, even lose, and realize that this ship is worse off than even any of the worst negatives on here could have even imagined.

We shall see Saturday, eh???

Comment by Dan 09.08.13 @ 10:36 pm

Dan – I think it’s just me and you up buddy!!

Have a good night.

Comment by Upittbaseball 09.08.13 @ 10:51 pm

“Our performance on defense last night was unacceptable, and we need to change that,” Brown said in a Texas release issued Sunday evening.

Would PITT EVER have the temerity to do something like this ?

We just always accept getting our asses kicked.

Because our performance at both the Compass Bowl and in the first games was totally unacceptable to me !!!

Comment by EMel 09.09.13 @ 1:36 am

What’s unimaginable is; this House character had a whole month to game plan for the Bowl game and wait…..

6 months to game plan for FSU with a mostly a veteran defense.

That’s the difference with bigtime football being played by Texas and the bush league PITT has become.

Comment by EMel 09.09.13 @ 1:40 am

@ upitt

I layed off the NFL this week. Like to see who is who for a few weeks.

Nice call though, the Boys covered. lol

Comment by EMel 09.09.13 @ 1:48 am

@ Dano

I know what you mean about the talking heads and the SEC. Exactly. I don’t even bother watching those talking head shows anymore. It’s always the same pointless drivel.

Comment by EMel 09.09.13 @ 1:51 am

@Upitt, ya, couldn’t sleep.

@Emel, you know who is worse. The NFL pre-game shows!! I remember in my teens and 20’s (48 now), watching the morning shows on Sunday morning was part of the ritual. Now, I turn the tv on at 12:59!!! Shouldn’t have even bothered yesterday!! LOL

I actually still do like to have college game day on if I’m home. I don’t mind Herby and Corso.

The guys I can’t stand are on CBS.

I know a lot of people can’t stand the ESPN fellas, we’re all different.

I really enjoy a fall morning with a whole slate of college football on.

Still cheer for the Steelers, but, I’ve noticed, not watching as many NFL games as I used too. Not sure why.

Comment by Dan 09.09.13 @ 7:57 am

Hopefully Bennett’s time off is making his knee feel better. We won’t win without a ball control offense.

Miami and Clemson wins help with the perception of the conference. Should help with recruiting vs SEC. Next tier of the conference needs to get stronger. Va Tech, Georgia Tech need to be joined by some others, hopefully Pitt sooner rather than later. Louisville next year. Too bad ND didn’t join in Football. With them the conference would be very competitive. Not quite the SEC but close.

Comment by gc 09.09.13 @ 8:34 am

We should have some large crowds for VA (homecoming), NC if they travel well, ND (always) and Miami, if we haven’t totally flopped.

Good for recruiting to see a packed house. We need some D ends from the south like Romeus.

Comment by gc 09.09.13 @ 8:43 am

and Sheard.

Comment by gc 09.09.13 @ 8:45 am

Jackson and Green

Comment by alcofan 09.09.13 @ 9:13 am

Get on down to Pascagoula, MS. !!!

Comment by Dan 09.09.13 @ 10:16 am

Natchez too!!

Comment by Dan 09.09.13 @ 10:17 am

Here’s another way the SEC programs rebuild so quickly: “bending the rules”. While true that few programs are totally clean, and some programs are worse than any individual SEC programs (e.g. Southern Cal), the SEC as a group seems to consistently lead the way with recruiting infractions.

Over the last 20 years, the SEC has had double or better the number of schools on probation for football infractions as any of the other AQ conferences. Schools like Auburn cheat, win, go on probation, hire a new coach, and then start all over again.

Not surprisingly the AQ conference with the fewest probations over the last 20 yrs? The beloved Big East…

Comment by Iron Duke 09.09.13 @ 11:55 am

Speaking of USC, they lost to Washington St. at home late Saturday?? Couldn’t believe that score when I saw it. Would have watched it, but I don’t get the Pac 12 network I guess.

How the mighty have fallen.

Comment by Dan 09.09.13 @ 12:34 pm

Dan, couldn’t happen to a nicer guy than Lane Kiffin. He and Mack Brown are sharing that hot seat.

Comment by Iron Duke 09.09.13 @ 1:56 pm

@ Dano

Yea that game was a real low scoring affair, after most saw it as a high scoring affair. Week before one of the weaker SEC teams (Auburn) beat WSU.

Kiffen is a joke, only got that job because of his daddy. More nepotism.

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