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August 29, 2013

Links Before The Season Starts

Filed under: Football — Chas @ 7:12 am

Football! Actual games! Not youtube videos of highlights from practices. No dismal NFL exhibition games dressed up as the real things. Glorious, live, HDTV broadcast football! Don’t even care that it isn’t Pitt playing tonight. Just to be able to sit on my couch and watch a real football game for the first time in over six months. I’m a little excited for this.

So no attempt at cohesive post weaving right now. Just the links.

With Pitt playing Florida State and Bobby Bowden’s shadow reemerging for the Seminoles, it means giving him a call in Florida and reminiscing. Like, say, when he was the coach of the Hoopies forty plus years ago.

Speaking this week from his Tallahassee, Fla., home of 38 years, Bowden, the former Florida State and West Virginia coach, recalled the day and venue:

Oct. 17, 1970.

Pitt Stadium.

Bowden’s first West Virginia team built a 35-8 halftime lead against the Panthers, and he was feeling good about himself. Until the game ended: Pitt 36, West Virginia 35.

“I learned a lot of football that day,” Bowden said, his laughter and the passage of 43 years easing the pain. “I never sat on the ball since. People accuse me of running up the score. After you get beat like that, you don’t worry about what people think.”

Oh, sure. Blame Pitt for that too.

Of course, that is better than what happened ten years later to Pitt.

Indeed, if No. 4 Pitt had beaten No. 11 FSU that night, there would have been no year-end controversy. Pitt would have played Herschel Walker-led Georgia with a chance to be remembered as perhaps the greatest college team of all-time.

Thirty-three years later — five days before Pitt opens its season against an FSU team with national-title aspirations — the final score reverberates:

Florida State 36, Pitt 22.

The beauty in looking back is that the participants still care so deeply. College sports tend to engender a sentiment that lasts — and it’s not just fans who carry the emotions to their graves.

“It never goes away,” ex-Pitt safety Rick Trocano once told me. “I speak for all my fellow teammates: I guarantee they never have forgotten.”

Jackie Sherrill surely hasn’t. The former Pitt coach was slightly aggravated Monday because of a traffic jam between San Antonio and Austin, Texas, but that was before something got him really worked up: the mention of Oct. 11, 1980.

Okay, now I’m done with the whole bit of reminiscing. Well, almost.

I could look at this and play with the graphs all day. College football database including a graph representation of Pitt’s record through the years. God, the 60s and 90s were dark times.

Okay, time for something positive. How about fullback Mark Giubilato being one of the nominees for the Allstate Good Works Team.

“It didn’t even cross my mind that I would be nominated,” Giubilato said. “My roommate told me about it, actually. A lot of people tweeted at me saying congratulations for being nominated. It made my whole summer. Nobody does community service to get an award for it. You do it to make an impact on other people’s lives.”

In Haiti, he certainly made an impact on the lives of those with whom he interacted, but perhaps not in the tangible way many would expect.

“We stayed at an orphanage,” Giubilato said. “We went to northern Haiti and stayed there for a week. It really was not building anything. To be honest, it is so poor that going down and building a few things would not make that much of a difference. What they really like from us is going there and helping the kids with classes and school, and playing with them.

“It is unfathomable how poor it is there. You could never imagine it unless you see it firsthand. Nobody has jobs, because there are no jobs to be had. Everybody just sits on their stoops all day. People live in mud huts or shacks. It’s really sad.”

Steffey added, “It was an eye-opening experience for him, stepping into another culture, [one] that is so different from life here.”

Is it really a revelation that Tom Savage would have entertained the notion of quitting football after coming to a third school, and being a walk-on who couldn’t do more than run the scout team? It’s a lot more believable than claims of never wavering or losing hope. There has to be moments of self-doubt. Of some frustration and thinking that it’s time to do something else. It doesn’t make you less dedicated, a bad person or teammate. It makes you human.

“Believe it or not, last year during camp, I was a walk-on, just coming back (after transferring for the second time),” he said. “I was pretty down then, thought about hanging it up a little bit and just moving on with my life.”

But Savage, ineligible to play in games after transferring, fought through his feelings, received support from his parents, went to practice every day and now he finds himself getting ready to play defending ACC champion Florida State on Monday night on ESPN.

“I’m lucky to be out here playing,” he said. “Not too many kids get to transfer twice and start their career off again against Florida State. People would die to have that opportunity.”

Meanwhile Issac Bennett and James Conner remain question marks, with OC Joe Rudolph giving the coachspeak.

“He’s coming along,” offensive coordinator Joe Rudolph said. “We’ll kind of see where he’s at. He’s doing a little bit more each day, which is encouraging. … We will see where that goes as the week progresses.”

And so it goes.

Personally, I think Justin did it better with his reasons pro and con, but here’s three reasons Pitt can win and three why they can lose on Monday night.

Florida State is already playing the “nobody believes in us” card. Not about this game, but about the season that has yet to start. Why? Because the media poll at ACC Media Days dared to pick Clemson.

“We thank the nation for thinking that,” said Joyner, who was chosen preseason all-conference. “When you are on top, all you can do is fall. Now the sky’s the limit because the ladder that we can climb has more room, so we can do a lot more things.”

Greene, bypassed on the all-ACC team by wide receivers Sammy Watkins of Clemson and Michael Campanoro of Wake Forest, said voters will be proven wrong.

“At the end of the season, we will be telling the media why they should have (voted for Florida State),” said Greene, who led the team with 57 receptions for 741 yards and six touchdowns last season.

Joyner said voters’ disrespect is just what the Seminoles need.

“You want to be doubted; you want to have a chip on your shoulder,” he said.

Well, okay, then.

FSU will be going with a freshman quarterback so DE Bryan Murphy hopes to make him nervous.

Pitt must stop Seminoles quarterback Jameis Winston, who was named the starter by coach Jimbo Fisher last week. Winston was Rivals.com’s No. 1 quarterback in the 2012 class and has the potential to be a superstar .

From Pitt’s perspective, Winston’s lack of experience also means there’s no game tape from which to study his tendencies. They can watch Florida State’s spring game, and defensive end Bryan Murphy said the Panthers have tried to compare Winston to other mobile quarterbacks they have seen in the past. In practices, he usually is represented on the scout team by a wide receiver.

“We’ve just got to come out, hit him in the mouth as soon as we can,” Murphy said. “Show him we’re here, we’re not messing around.”

“Bleed all over ’em. Let ’em know you’re there.” Whoops. Sorry that’s from something else.





This is not directed at you Chas or Justin, I know one of you said you couldn’t make the game, which is understandable. You do way more than most.

However, I am hearing from way too many people that they won’t be attending because of work on Monday. ( cut to the Beluschi Animal House Speech)

For God’s sake, TAKE A VACATION OR SICK DAY TUESDAY or suffer through it. We need a full house and no going home early, no matter what. Students need to stick around to the glorious or bitter end. This is national TV, recruits will be there or watching.

Tino’s gone so no effing booing. Make some noise, this isn’t a tennis match.

I am hoping this is as loud as the infamous Cinci game, win or lose, show the ACC that Pitt Fans belong. Looks like it will be a hot beautiful night.

Quit whining about the stadium, the AD, the Coach, the history, for one night, do what you can to change the culture and have a great time. This may be one to remember.

Like Murphy says “Show him we’re here, we’re not messing around”

Let’s Go Pitt!

Comment by gc 08.29.13 @ 7:53 am

I second that notion, Fans need to man us, gheez, talk about a bunch of p*ssies…get to the game, root for the team, either you are a Pitt fan or you are not…whats the problem?

Comment by grncopantherfan 08.29.13 @ 8:02 am

Cool graph.

For reference

PSU: link to winsipedia.com

WVU: link to winsipedia.com

And this one is really interesting: Pitt vs. WVU.
link to winsipedia.com

Comment by Atlanta Panther 08.29.13 @ 8:09 am

Good article by Starkey. He doesn’t mention how badly Bowden outcoached Sherrill that day. He certainly got his revenge for 1970.

He used misdirection and counter plays to take advantage of our aggressive defense. Our guys were going the wrong way and missing the cutbacks all day long. Sherrill never adjusted. We were strong enough to manhandle them. Bowden started his legend that day. I think he was the best coach ever. Certainly played a much tougher schedule than the mighty Joe, who never lost to Temple, William and Mary and a host of others. FSU took on all comers.

Comment by gc 08.29.13 @ 8:19 am

I’ll be there. Section 219 Row D. I’ll wear my usual Palko jersey.

Comment by Justin 08.29.13 @ 8:23 am

I was at the 1980 FSU game and I agree…Sherill was outcoached. However, I will never forget as long as I live the “punting”. John Stark just killed us all night with a seriews or 60+yard punts.

To me, that was the game difference.

Comment by Dan 72 08.29.13 @ 9:10 am

I hate to mention that I had moved south during the Marino years (33-3) and I went to 4 games North Carolina, and 3 Florida State games. Pitt went 1w 3l at the games I attended including the 1980 game, Ron Stark maybe greatest punter beat us with field position.
I also wnr to the mention W.VA. My brother and I left at half-time tired of listening to the hoopies sitting behind us but we could not get out of the parking lot. Listening on the radio as the game changed we ran up cardiac hill to see Pitt score the winning touchdown.

Comment by pittisit 08.29.13 @ 9:15 am

Section 534 for me. Full Panther regalia!

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 08.29.13 @ 9:26 am

I would rather see Conner ready. There is no hope if both are or either is not close to 100 percent
I still do not agree with the dismissal of Schell. IMO Schell was a better back than Graham was last year and should have been the number one back. My quess is that Schell believe this and that he was playing behind Graham because he was a senior not because Graham was better.
Perhaps Schell was not a head case simply a competetive and self-confident athelete that like Myers was playing behind someone who during practices he was outperforming but because of the other player was a senior he was expected to wait his turn while he could help the team more on the field than on the bench.
I want atheletes like these. Play the best regardless of whether senior or fresham. IMO
Because of his injury Graham was not the better of the two backs. Scheel might still be at Pitt if he got the playing time I suspect he earned.

Comment by pittisit 08.29.13 @ 9:31 am

Maybe Shell would have played more…had he not been suspended before his very first game.

Comment by ECH 08.29.13 @ 10:06 am

pittisit, I disagree. Schell had one great game against VA Tech. Other than that I don’t think there was much memorable about his play. Where was he vs. Ole Miss?

I do think he should have split more time with Graham to keep him fresh, but when he got in there many times it was three and out.

Comment by gc 08.29.13 @ 10:21 am

quote from pittisit — My quess is that Schell believe this and that he was playing behind Graham because he was a senior not because Graham was better.

Have you looked at our 2 deep this year? It is crowded with freshmen. Chryst has proven he is willing to play freshmen. I think you are in the minority of people who think Shell was screwed over at Pitt. That’s fine as that is your opinion. I’m glad he’s gone – we don’t need players who care about themselves only and who don’t work hard or go to class. He wasn’t a good teammate.

Comment by JJ 08.29.13 @ 11:25 am

Section 240 – and I scheduled a vacation day for the 3rd.

Comment by HbgFrank 08.29.13 @ 11:50 am

Section 511, also a vacation day for the 3rd

Comment by KeyboardKev 08.29.13 @ 12:32 pm

pittisit has to be drunk posting that incoherent dribble…. Shell got what he earned at Pitt, dismissed!

Comment by grncopantherfan 08.29.13 @ 12:42 pm

Would be there if I could! My county has a policy and no teacher can miss the first day of school! Will be there for New Mexico though! And I might be the only one! Hail to Pitt and shock the world on Monday night!

Comment by Sweet Caroline 08.29.13 @ 2:25 pm

Shell was the starting TB for the Bowl game.
Carried the ball 25 times for 79 yds, A whopping 3.2 per carry average. His long run was 14 yds.
He had no catches out of the backfield. Which was another aspect of Graham’s game where he break a long one.

We had no chance in that game in retrospect without Ray GRaham on the field.

Graham was a gamebreaker. Shell was NOT.

End of story. Let’s forget about this future Hoopie.

Comment by EMel 08.29.13 @ 3:03 pm

Ray graham after his injury sadly was a below average rb. Before it he was way above avg.

Comment by Upittbaseball 08.29.13 @ 6:18 pm

Shell didn’t want to practice and work to get better. He was coddled in high school and wasn’t required to practice only play games. That didn’t work at the next level. I doubt he will ever play a down in Hoopieland due to his own self inflicted issues.

Section 502. See you at the game. Driving back 4 hours early Tuesday to work. Cheer, scream and give your all. Football culture change requires all levels of participation: fans, alumni, students, players, coaches. We’re all in this thing together. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Panther Fan in Hoopieland 08.29.13 @ 9:53 pm

533 row bb just got the tickets this week, cheaper from Pitt then stubhub and instant download

Comment by Dacs 08.29.13 @ 11:01 pm

Regarding the Shell decision, there was no doubt by anyone who had even a little knowledge of the actual Shell situation that PITT’s handling of the situation was 100% correct.

Shell literally took himself out of practices whenever he felt like it and when the rest of the team was busting ass with off season workouts Shell was nowhere to be seen.

Seriously, I watched three practices and a scrimmage with Shell and was astounded by what I was seeing. I’ve written this before but I overheard an OL say to the other OLs “Is this a with Shell drill or a without Shell drill?”. His teammates aren’t wishing him back either.

Personally, I think James Conner is the better RB anyway and we’ll not miss Shell much at all. Nothing Shell did jumped out at me in 2012. He had a good game against VA Tech but other than that he played rather poorly.

For the rest of the season he ran 118 times for 484 yards or a 4.1 ypc average. He had just four TDs and scored only one TD every 35 carries – which is horrendous actually.

We’ll get better production out of one of our RBs this season I think. Hell, last season Bennett scored three TDs in only 29 carries and had a 4.9 ypc average. Give him the majority of snaps and he’ll be fine.

I’m not going to be looking at this upcoming FSU game and pass judgement on any one player’s 2013 abilities. 1/4 of the way through the season is a much better indicator.

Comment by Reed 08.30.13 @ 5:38 am

Used Tuesday as my last vacation day. Will be in the lot tailgating at 4:00 and ready for a great game and potential upset!!!!

Comment by WarrenPAnther 08.30.13 @ 11:55 am

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