July 8, 2013

Siding with ND or K?

Filed under: ACC,Basketball,Conference — Chas @ 11:30 am

Boy, nobody wins if those are the choices.

Sorry, Pitt fans but Notre Dame is now the early leader for most likely to ferment a new, nasty basketball rivalry with Duke.

Here’s how it went down. The New York Post had a wide-ranging interview with Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski. In the interview he was less than diplomatic regarding new member Notre Dame:

Q: Do you like the relationship with Notre Dame the ACC agreed to (joining in all sports except football, but playing five football games a season against ACC foes) in order to add the Fighting Irish?

A: I think you can’t do something for one that you’re not willing to do for all in these type of situations. I would never have accepted personally them coming in and not being totally in.

Why don’t Duke and North Carolina do something different in basketball? I mean it’s not right. I’m happy that they’re part of it I’m just not happy the way that they’re apart of it.

They add value but, just being old-fashioned, [if] we’re playing cards, we all get five cards. That’s why they were never a member of the Big Ten.

This came out the day after ACC moving day. So right after all the praises were sung of the new members and conference, Krzyzewski just fires away.

Meanwhile every old Big East member — and anyone in the Big 10 — is just nodding their heads at the statement. In that respect it is hardly controversial since we know that at one time or another everyone has said or thought it in the old Big East. In fact it seems Krzyzewski has long maintained that point of view with regards to membership in the ACC with ND.

It’s common knowledge in college basketball circles that Krzyzewski was not happy with the decision last fall of ACC commissioner John Swofford to extend an invitation to Notre Dame, which was able to keep its independent status in football, playing five games a year against ACC schools.

Each summer during the July recruiting period, and again at the Final Four each April, [ND basketball coach Mike] Brey and Krzyzewski go to dinner. At almost every sit-down for the last few years, conference realignment surfaced. Each time Brey, who spent eight seasons at Duke as Krzyzewski’s assistant, wondered about Notre Dame one day joining the ACC. Each time, Krzyzewski never budged — you can come, but you’d better bring football. Otherwise, you’re not in.

Now Notre Dame is in.

With ND in the ACC it also means (I think) that it will be the first former Duke assistant turned head coach within the ACC. In that respect Kryzewski has been a lot like his own mentor — Bob Knight. Discouraging his former assistants (and players) from taking coaching jobs within the same conference.

As you would expect, Brey was not happy to have his happy-joy time pissed on by Krzyzewski.

“That’s been out there — ‘God, they got in, but they got in without bringing football,’” Brey said. “I’m like, ‘We’re in man, pat us on the back. We’re in the family.’”

Brey has been in South Bend (and in the shadow of the football program) for quite a while. He is well and fully versed in how invested the alumni and the school is in their precious football independence. He isn’t about to come down on any side but the Domers.

That led Brey  to make the equivalence argument of UNC and Duke to ND.

“They live in a whole different world,” Brey said of the two teams that have combined to win 36 ACC tournament titles with 33 Final Fours and nine national championships. “They’re on TV more than anyone. They get more exposure than any team in the league and rightfully so.

“They do kind of have their own world and they’ve earned that, just as we’ve earned remaining independent in football for now.”

Which conflates media exposure to an independent deal that lets ND keep all its football money and essentially its own table. UNC and Duke definitely get more media exposure than the rest of the ACC in basketball. And it is arguably earned — and aided by the slobbering by Dick Vitale — but they don’t get to keep the money from all the TV exposure.

But suffice to say the first Duke-ND basketball game in 2014 gets an extra storyline tossed on top for good measure.

Did Mostella play yet?
Did he sign LOI with Pitt? Eligibility issues?

Newkirk/Mostella would be an exciting backcourt.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 07.09.13 @ 9:52 am

Swafford’s long term plan better be to force ND to make a much stronger commitment to the ACC than 5 measly fball games a year or he’s getting duped and is as foolish as the BE leaders were. Forcing ND to play as many fball games against ACC opponents as they would if they were actually in the confernece for fball would be a good start.
An extra $3M is nothing to sneeze at, if Frankie’s numbers are right, but think about how much more ACC membership would be worth if ND added another 3 garmes or even better went “all in”.
ND wants nothing to do with the B10 as they would be ignored like PSU when the B10 leaders made decisions and the B12 is simply a non-fit for ND. They don’t have any choice, and in 3-4 years, the leverage will all be with Swafford and the ACC so expect big changes to ND’s relationship.

Comment by Taxing Matters 07.09.13 @ 10:18 am

Pitt.Dan83–I don’t think Mostella can sign a LOI till he is attending classes at Pitt because he committed after the close of the spring signing period.

There was an internet rumor he might not have qualified yet. I don’t know if it was just a rumor or if there was truth to it. In any event, on his u-tube dunk contest interview he sounded intelligent and articulate and not like the kind of kid who you might suspect of being a poor student. If he isn’t/wasn’t currently eligible he might have either needed to finish a HS class last month or to take one this summer. Or, perhaps, he is waiting on the NCAA clearinghouse to approve a class he has already completed. Those folks are known for being far from prompt.

Comment by pitt1972 07.09.13 @ 10:27 am

You made me look up LOI rules.
It appears to be an LOI issue even though he as been granted full release he actually has to wait a year.

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See FAQ on release from NLI.
Mostella may not be eligible for 2013. They may need to appeal, etc. Don’t know.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 07.09.13 @ 10:46 am

Lou Henson and Gene Keady, the gold standards for bad hair among college basketball coaches. Dixon isn’t there yet, but it bears watching.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 07.09.13 @ 11:06 am

Gene Keady, my Lord, yes. Nail. On. Head.


Comment by Dan 07.09.13 @ 11:21 am

Swafford made the right move. ND is the crown jewel of college football. It is not for what they do on the field, but because people love them, and, they love to hate them. People watch them for both reasons. In fact, I would guess that most people watching them on TV on any given Saturday are rooting against them. What does TV care as long as they are watching? When they play those five ACC teams each year, the ACC gets that ratings boost too. So if and when they decide (or are forced) to join a Conference, it will be the ACC. ND still has the clout to remain independent in FB, so Swafford did the next best thing. He put the ACC first in line for the only college football team that everybody loves or loves to hate!

Comment by HbgFrank 07.09.13 @ 11:24 am

Ovie Soko, Duquesne.

Comment by alcofan 07.09.13 @ 11:53 am

Got me thinking about bad hair on hoop coaches……

Not in the same league as Henson/Keady, but Tom Penders worked some bizarre curly creations. Almost perm-like…….

Comment by hugh green 07.09.13 @ 11:56 am

ND was not going to join the BT. Reason
ND wanted to join the BT in the thirties
but was denied because the school
is catholic. Therefore ACC had leverage
as it was the ND’s best option. That said
ND’s commitment to play 5 games is the
next best situation for the ACC.

Next issues move the BB tournament
to the MSG thereby cutting the BT out
of the NYC. ND helps here as does
the Cuse.

Comment by JR 07.09.13 @ 12:36 pm


Ditto on Vitale. Cannot stand his BS. When
he speaks my TV is muted!!!!!!!

Comment by JR 07.09.13 @ 12:38 pm

I know this is not a post directly relating to Pitt, but this just strikes me as weird. Who in the hell will want to watch this game? Does Penn State have some large fan base in Dublin?

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Comment by Big Bill 07.09.13 @ 12:57 pm

The worst (or best depending on your perspective) football/basketball bad hair duo would have to be found at WVU. Huggy Bear has a bad combination of slicked back with an 80’s middle part and that Bobcat Goldthwiat looking football coach’s hair is just a mess. They would also be the hardest drinking duo. Coincidence?

Comment by Boubacar Aw 07.09.13 @ 1:29 pm

here are the specifics at GreenTree last night .. again to be taken with a grain of salt

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Comment by wbb 07.09.13 @ 2:13 pm

Thx for the link wbb

Interesting that SPK still won without Patterson playing. Wonder if JD took notice. lol

Newkirk had 23 on some creative drives (that would be a new thing at Pitt) and pullup jumpers.
Appears he needs to work at the D though. Of course in these games, probably you’re not getting much ‘help’ D and the kids want to run.
Durand Durand had 21. What was real interesting was that Chevy Troutman scored 23 and controlled the boards.

Zanna had a monster game with 28 & 17. However it appears all the teams with Pitt players lost except for SPK who also has Mike Young besides Patterson who again didn’t play. But they are the only undefeated team.

And nothing wrong with JD’s hair. FYI, we use gel to get out of the house ASAP, since you just put some in and comb your hair and it’s good to go for the day. Certainly better than getting a jarhead buzzcut or going the Mr. Clean baldeagle look.

And who can forget one of the worst college coaching do’s. The LewDo

Comment by EMel 07.09.13 @ 4:40 pm

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