July 8, 2013

Siding with ND or K?

Filed under: ACC,Basketball,Conference — Chas @ 11:30 am

Boy, nobody wins if those are the choices.

Sorry, Pitt fans but Notre Dame is now the early leader for most likely to ferment a new, nasty basketball rivalry with Duke.

Here’s how it went down. The New York Post had a wide-ranging interview with Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski. In the interview he was less than diplomatic regarding new member Notre Dame:

Q: Do you like the relationship with Notre Dame the ACC agreed to (joining in all sports except football, but playing five football games a season against ACC foes) in order to add the Fighting Irish?

A: I think you can’t do something for one that you’re not willing to do for all in these type of situations. I would never have accepted personally them coming in and not being totally in.

Why don’t Duke and North Carolina do something different in basketball? I mean it’s not right. I’m happy that they’re part of it I’m just not happy the way that they’re apart of it.

They add value but, just being old-fashioned, [if] we’re playing cards, we all get five cards. That’s why they were never a member of the Big Ten.

This came out the day after ACC moving day. So right after all the praises were sung of the new members and conference, Krzyzewski just fires away.

Meanwhile every old Big East member — and anyone in the Big 10 — is just nodding their heads at the statement. In that respect it is hardly controversial since we know that at one time or another everyone has said or thought it in the old Big East. In fact it seems Krzyzewski has long maintained that point of view with regards to membership in the ACC with ND.

It’s common knowledge in college basketball circles that Krzyzewski was not happy with the decision last fall of ACC commissioner John Swofford to extend an invitation to Notre Dame, which was able to keep its independent status in football, playing five games a year against ACC schools.

Each summer during the July recruiting period, and again at the Final Four each April, [ND basketball coach Mike] Brey and Krzyzewski go to dinner. At almost every sit-down for the last few years, conference realignment surfaced. Each time Brey, who spent eight seasons at Duke as Krzyzewski’s assistant, wondered about Notre Dame one day joining the ACC. Each time, Krzyzewski never budged — you can come, but you’d better bring football. Otherwise, you’re not in.

Now Notre Dame is in.

With ND in the ACC it also means (I think) that it will be the first former Duke assistant turned head coach within the ACC. In that respect Kryzewski has been a lot like his own mentor — Bob Knight. Discouraging his former assistants (and players) from taking coaching jobs within the same conference.

As you would expect, Brey was not happy to have his happy-joy time pissed on by Krzyzewski.

“That’s been out there — ‘God, they got in, but they got in without bringing football,’” Brey said. “I’m like, ‘We’re in man, pat us on the back. We’re in the family.’”

Brey has been in South Bend (and in the shadow of the football program) for quite a while. He is well and fully versed in how invested the alumni and the school is in their precious football independence. He isn’t about to come down on any side but the Domers.

That led Brey  to make the equivalence argument of UNC and Duke to ND.

“They live in a whole different world,” Brey said of the two teams that have combined to win 36 ACC tournament titles with 33 Final Fours and nine national championships. “They’re on TV more than anyone. They get more exposure than any team in the league and rightfully so.

“They do kind of have their own world and they’ve earned that, just as we’ve earned remaining independent in football for now.”

Which conflates media exposure to an independent deal that lets ND keep all its football money and essentially its own table. UNC and Duke definitely get more media exposure than the rest of the ACC in basketball. And it is arguably earned — and aided by the slobbering by Dick Vitale — but they don’t get to keep the money from all the TV exposure.

But suffice to say the first Duke-ND basketball game in 2014 gets an extra storyline tossed on top for good measure.

I can understand Coach K being upset. Now he’s not the only one receiving preferential treatment in the ACC :>)

Comment by pittman4ever 07.08.13 @ 11:48 am

Hmmm… shots fired at the bow.

We need Jamie to create this rivalry. He needs to start talking smack about Coach K. Maybe make fun of his hair or something.

Comment by Benzene 07.08.13 @ 11:51 am

I think a Louisville rivalry would be great. They’re replacing Maryland and should be our crossover

Comment by TonyC 07.08.13 @ 12:14 pm

I have much more trepidation of the increased exposure to Dick Vitale than the ND situation.

Comment by wbb 07.08.13 @ 12:16 pm

It was obviously a good move by Swofford to bring in ND. It seems to have stopped the bleeding. It just hurts to have them keep their cake and eat it too.

Especially when they could have saved the Big East early on with a full membership. Miami, BC and VA Tech would have never left. Hope it doesn’t happen to the ACC. Not a fan of Coach K but enjoy the sour grapes.

Comment by gc 07.08.13 @ 12:23 pm

ABV, Anyone but Vitale

Comment by gc 07.08.13 @ 12:25 pm

TonyC, It will also be fun watching Pitino vs K

Comment by gc 07.08.13 @ 12:27 pm

Coach K is the most respected college coach in US in any sport.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Swofford nudged Coach K to say something.
Put a fire under Notre Dame to get all in knowing there would be no backlash of Coach K comments.
Swofford on the other hand couldn’t get away saying those things.

Pitino vs Coach K reminds me of JimmyV vs Coach K.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 07.08.13 @ 1:36 pm

WBB said:

“I have much more trepidation of the increased exposure to Dick Vitale than the ND situation.”
No truer words were ever spoken. I long for the day when I no longer have to mute the TV when he either color commentating or whenever he is on. Talk about annoying…

Comment by Kenny 07.08.13 @ 2:04 pm

I love Dickie V.
Great ambassador for the game.
He at least admits his bias for Duke BB.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 07.08.13 @ 2:16 pm

As for siding for either ND or Captain K am kind of in a quandary. I just don’t care about ND and hope the lose every game they play unless a win helps Pitt. Likewise it is the same with the venerated Captain K and Dook.

Guess CK might not be to excited about ND not being a full member and the ACC having to kiss their rears in that respect. Most likely he is unhappy with the likes of Pitt, the Cuse and DaVille being on the schedule as well. Cry Coach K CRY and hope all 4 former BE schools make it harder for you and your buddy Roy “Boy” Williams to dominate the ACC on a regular basis…

Comment by Kenny 07.08.13 @ 2:20 pm

Wait til Notre Dame starts bumping ACC teams from bowl games. This little spat will pal in comparison to the uproar that ensues when schools like Virginia, Wake Forest, NC State, and Pitt have to give up better bowls to the Irish.

Comment by TonyinHouston 07.08.13 @ 2:35 pm

Uproar indeed…

Comment by Kenny 07.08.13 @ 3:01 pm

I think the Chancellor of The Ohio State University summed ND up for all of us. He could have used a better choice of words but what he said rung true to a lot of people including Coach K.

To our ACC brethren… ND was part of the reason the Big East fell apart. They refused to throw football a life preserver even when it was obvious that the ship was going to go down. Don’t believe for one moment that in the end they would do the same to, as ND Coach Brey put it, “family”.

Comment by Pitt Fan In Atlanta 07.08.13 @ 3:02 pm

Coach K is only speaking the truth re: ND! Hey Kenny, thanks for having my back a few threads ago. That I could get a rise from spitball the negative brought a smile to my face. Dealt with the little puke previously, when he was downing our institution and had the audacity to trash Dr. Salk’s work. Said he could care less about the humanity transforming polio vaccine. Disclaimer* This post should not be considered a paragraph under any circumstances! Hail to Pitt! UPone

Comment by UPone 07.08.13 @ 3:35 pm

with ND in for 5 games plus BB we get 3 million
more per school we go from 17 million to 20.
in my book that is great glad to have them.

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.08.13 @ 5:08 pm

You know how bad ND is???

“How bad are they?”

They’re so bad, they make Coach K. seem tolerable!

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 5:10 pm

Well let’s not get absurd and endorse that idiot at The Ohio Fake University, one named Elwood Gordon Gee.

Retired or not.

Seriously dude !

Comment by EMel 07.08.13 @ 5:28 pm

The ACC would be a lot more fragile with Notre Dame in the Big Joke or the Big 12.

Think about that.

I don’t like that they’re not fully in either, but lets look at the full ramifications before lambasting them and agreeing with morons like Gee.

Comment by EMel 07.08.13 @ 5:31 pm

@Emel. I don’t buddy. Of course, all is just conjecture.

I really don’t think ND gave one thought about the Big 12. Teams to Waco, Lubbock and Stillwater??

Big Ten?? Gonna be just another fish in the Midwest Conference. More probable than the Big 12.

I think they were ripe to be squeezed. They wanted a place for their hoops and Olympic sports, and they wanted the ACC badly!!

Got their cake and getting to eat it too.

Obviously, what do I know?? Just my opinion.

I guess if Swofford felt he could have squeezed them, he would have.

Hopefully, he will be able to do this when the 5 year contract is up?? Is it 5 years? I think.

Really wouldn’t have needed them if he would have been able to get the Grant of Rights w/o ND.

Now, did ND really help get the GOR??

I don’t see how having their Olympic sports in the conference, and a guarantee of playing them once every 4 years had any effect on an FSU or Clemson. They have big games every week.

Also, it’s going to be one home game for them, every 8 years.

Maybe that’s Swoffords end game. Let them get acclamated, get comfortable, then after 5 years, tell them, “hey, we need to know, are you in or out”??

Right now, they got every single thing they want, and I don’t see them bringing that much.

In hindsight, if Swofford could have gotten the GOR earlier, ND would have been a non-issue.

Maybe I’m not giving their cache enough credit.

I could see, if they were in the conference completely, and one division got to play them every year, and the other divison would play them every couple of years, and a chance to play them in the championship game.

Just don’t see how playing them once every 4 or 5 years suddenly has FSU, Clemson, GTU, Miami, UNC, Va. Tech suddenly agreeing to a GOR.

And I could be 100% incorrect!! LOL

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 5:51 pm

Well you’re probably right about ND not being that much of a factor in the GOR.

However as Frankie mentioned, having ND did bump up everyone’s piece of the pie, another $3 Mil to $20 Mil each.

Also having ND in with hoops and Olympic sports will definitely have in effect in helping obtain an ACC network. As that brings in a large chunk of the populace (think ND’s massive subway alumni) into play, that without ND would pay no nevermind to the ACC sports.

And you are right, you’re not giving their cache enough credit. Hate will do that ! lol 🙂

Comment by EMel 07.08.13 @ 6:03 pm

Actually, after thinking about, and seeing the past few months, how a real conference comish. works, maybe that is the end game.

Get ND on board, for only a 5 year stint.

Get a GOR for 15 years, get the conference stable, get a televsion network up and running, and then, in 3 or 4 years, have a little sit down with the ND people, and let them know, when the contract comes up in a year or two, we’re gonna need you to be all in, or you’re out.

He’ll have a lot more leverage then.

He’s pretty crafty, and made a lot of right moves, so, I’ll default to him.

Either way, thrilled to be where we’re at!!!

8 weeks till FSU!!!!!! Wooo!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 6:03 pm

Posted last comment, without seeing yours!!

Ya, you’re right.

I only really hate them, when I’m around family that loves them!!! LOL!!

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 6:05 pm

ND has far less power in the ACC then they did in the BE. It will suck not playing them in football every year, but hey, maybe SP can get WVU back on the schedule, an actual rival.

Comment by Chris 07.08.13 @ 6:10 pm

Dan 07 said:

“You know how bad ND is???

“How bad are they?”

They’re so bad, they make Coach K. seem tolerable”

LOL!! I like your style Dan…

Comment by Kenny 07.08.13 @ 6:11 pm

Thank you Emel that is funnier than what Don 07 said. I got go wipe the tears out of my eyes!!!!

Comment by Kenny 07.08.13 @ 6:14 pm

Laughing so much spelled Dan’s name wrong…

Comment by Kenny 07.08.13 @ 6:15 pm

Yea I agree Dan-o

You slowly have to bring around the ND faithful on joining for football. They are not immediately going to give up playing ALL their traditional foes immediately. With the ACC deal they already are giving up Michigan.

It’s called incrementalism and the Gov’t is killing us all with it !

With 5 ACC games in the fold, adding 3 more down the road is not nearly the mountain to climb, as 8 would be immediately. Yes/No ?

And I think that’s exactly what Swofford is doing!

Comment by EMel 07.08.13 @ 6:17 pm

Another thing those goes with possible Ramifications.

When or if ND does come “full in”.

Can you imagine the fight between ACC members as to what Division ND gets placed in !

Maybe Swofford was trying to avoid that, as some of the jilted division’s schools might bail out if another conf. came calling. (see FSU & Clemson)

Comment by EMel 07.08.13 @ 6:23 pm

Whenever I hear Dick Vitale use the idiotic phrase “Diaper Dandy”, I literally fight the urge to slit my wrists!

I can’t believe that nobody’s every told him that phrase makes him sound like a total goober.

Comment by Imma Man! Im 40! 07.08.13 @ 6:35 pm

When he says diaper dandy I see him soiling himself.

Comment by gc 07.08.13 @ 6:47 pm

Holy crap, gc…that was funny! Btw, pun intended.

Comment by panther94 07.08.13 @ 7:14 pm

Screw ND, why should everyone kiss their butts. Had they been all in at the Big East a lot of the crap that has gone on might never have happened going back to UM, VT and BC going to the ACC.
I was brought up to hate two schools, ND and PSU and think my father was a wise man.

Comment by Jimbo 07.08.13 @ 9:15 pm

Notre Dame deserves special accommadations, just ask any ND alumni! Domers are downers.

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.08.13 @ 9:31 pm

Foster still does not have the grades to go to
bama he would have never got into pitt do you think he goes JC,

Comment by FRANKCAN 07.08.13 @ 9:35 pm

@Emel. Agree totally, after thinking on it.

Sounds very logical. Yes, if you’re at 5, much easier to go to 8.

They will then be somewhat entrenched in the ACC.

I get jazzed sometimes for my next comment.

I KNOW football is king, and the cash cow. I really do get that.

But, some of these schools take their Olympic sports very seriously. Lacrosse, soccer, gymnastics, baseball.

Not everyone, certainly. Notre Dame does. As do a lot of schools in the ACC.

Not for the money, but for the pride of, “helping our student athletes participate.”

I don’t do this often. None of us do. However the old “friend of a friend of a friend” is a ND professor.

I’m telling you, between academia, students, fans, alumni, they were not going to let ND go to the Big 12.

Wasn’t going to happen.

It may be different and you could call me on it, if as an example, ND couldn’t make any money as an Independent, in the ACC, or the Big 10.

Then people may have said, “well, we’re in a pinch, the Big 12 is our only offer”, we better go.

However, with a lot of other options, this person with a good source, has told me, that the Big 12 was not on anyone’s radar.

No one was about to lug the soccer team to Waco.

No one was going to swimming and diving meets at Lubbock.

Hey, for what it’s worth. I came to that conclusion on my own.

The A.D. played his friendship with the guy from Texas.

Now, playing on your thoughts. Maybe Swofford and Swarbick have an agreement.

Maybe ND said, “look, the ACC is where we need to end up, but I need time”. This seems plausible.

I said this last year, and a few other did too.

There is no way ND was staying in the BE for it’s Olympic sports.

They even got out sooner that I thought.

Football is king. However, schools like ND are not about to let their Olympic sports, especially womens sports, languish in some conference, and be perceived as 2nd, 3rd or 4th rate.

Football is the money maker, but to not acknowledge the fact, that there are a lot of other outside forces and players for some of these schools in academia, alum, administration etc. etc. is naive.

Oh, these comments aren’t to you Emel. These are just out loud thoughts about the situation.

Also, I can’t believe Swofford will let ND just sign up every 5 years as an ongoing agreement.

Don’t forget, as big as ND is, the AD’s and presidents at these other university’s think they are the king of the hill. Sitting in the ivory towers, they aren’t gonna be told what to do on ND’s whim.

These people have huge ego’s too.

I know nothing. Just rambling.

Maybe Swofford did try the squeeze, and Swarbuck said, “look, if you do that, we’re gonna have to join the Big 10”.

I can see a few years from now though, Swofford and Swarbuck sitting down again and revisiting ND’s stand in the ACC.

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 9:38 pm

Wow, that was entirely too long.

Sorry fellas.

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 9:38 pm

p.s. sorry about the spacing, trying to make it easier to read.

I’ve noticed though, if you don’t use some paragraphs, I’m defeating the purpose and making it just as hard to read.

I’ll work on that. Goodnight all. Long day.

Comment by Dan 07.08.13 @ 9:41 pm

“Most likely he is unhappy with the likes of Pitt”

My understanding is that he liked the addition of Pitt and Cuse and said that they will help with the NCAA tourney.

He’s just like everyone else; he hates ND

Comment by Lou Gagliardi 07.08.13 @ 10:04 pm

Upone my pleasure and would add as the real “Duke” said in the movie “Eldorado”…

“Just call it professional courtesy!”

Comment by Kenny 07.09.13 @ 12:16 am

Dan, be careful, with the writing style that you just expressed above, people might start refering to you as the antiUpone! LOL.

Comment by Dr. Tom 07.09.13 @ 6:32 am

Benezene – the sailor in me can’t let this pass… Coach K fired a shot ACROSS the bow not AT it. Unless of course he actually wanted to harm ND that is.

Comment by Reed 07.09.13 @ 6:56 am

Nice story about Aaron Donald in PG. Also note that ublike last year when Pitt defense lined up 9 new starters vs YSU, this year it should line up 8 starters from last year.

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Comment by wbb 07.09.13 @ 7:40 am

If anyone’s going to make fun of hair, it would be Coach K making fun of Dixon’s do. Jamie was at Greentree last night and that “comb back” thing he does is just ridiculous.

But the real problem is that he was at Greentree at all. Give the players some room to breathe; let them play without staring over their shoulders and controlling everything.

Comment by hugh green 07.09.13 @ 8:48 am

See anything noteworthy at Greentree last night, hugh? Was hoping to make it this week, but will have to wait ’til next…

Comment by Carmen 07.09.13 @ 8:54 am

hugh green, that is the ‘Pat Riley do’ … and I always thought it didn’t look good on him either

Comment by wbb 07.09.13 @ 9:20 am

ND football is twice the trump card that Duke and North Carolina hoops are combined. Football generates way more revenue so the fact that the Irish are only half in the ACC is more valuable to the conference than Coach K is willing to admit. My personal distaste for the Irish football is only exceeded in football by my hatred of the shower stalking nittany lions, and the immediate family loving Whoopaneers. The Dukies will make a nice addition to my hope they lose every game list.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 07.09.13 @ 9:28 am

Hugh Green, Why am I not surprised that you don’t like Dixon’s hairstyle. There is nothing wrong with him attending basketball games at Greentree either. Maybe he enjoys watching basketball like the rest of us. You don’t like how he looks or coaches. We get it, but appearance is not holding Dixon back and it doesn’t add credence to any of your legitimate criticisms to be so petty.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 07.09.13 @ 9:41 am

It is like the Riley “do”. A little less slick, but in the same family. Must be a mid-life thing that guys try when there’s not as much volume upfront. 🙂

What did I see?

* I liked Newkirk. He’s a quick, bouncy athlete. Got to the hole a couple times, played some attacking defense. Don’t think he has much range yet, but shot fundamentals look fine. He had to guard Lance Jeter last night, who was physically just too much for him, but he competed and showed some grit. If Dixon doesn’t play him a lot, he’s nuts because of everything he can do that Robinson can’t. (Get to the rim, slash, pressure the ball….)

* Durand Johnson is the same. Can shoot, can’t do anything else. Really struggled to guard Cressler, the Plum kid who had a nice freshman year at Cornell. Johnson’s all right-handed, can’t get to the rim and can’t handle the ball. He’s useful for one thing — bring him off the bench for some instant offense and then send him right back there.

* Artis — classic tweener. 6’5, 6’6″ tops. Too slow to play 3, too small to play 4. Won’t have any impact this coming year…..

* Mike Young — I’m hopeful. Looks a solid 6’8″, has more polish to his game than you would expect. Not a leaper, but blocked a few shots on timing. Has some offensive know-how….not dribble drive skills, but can put the ball in the hoop. Certainly not a center, but should develop into a solid performer at forward.

Best athlete there was Ovie Soko from WVU. Wow.

Comment by hugh green 07.09.13 @ 9:47 am

Did Mostella play yet?
Did he sign LOI with Pitt? Eligibility issues?

Newkirk/Mostella would be an exciting backcourt.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 07.09.13 @ 9:52 am

Swafford’s long term plan better be to force ND to make a much stronger commitment to the ACC than 5 measly fball games a year or he’s getting duped and is as foolish as the BE leaders were. Forcing ND to play as many fball games against ACC opponents as they would if they were actually in the confernece for fball would be a good start.
An extra $3M is nothing to sneeze at, if Frankie’s numbers are right, but think about how much more ACC membership would be worth if ND added another 3 garmes or even better went “all in”.
ND wants nothing to do with the B10 as they would be ignored like PSU when the B10 leaders made decisions and the B12 is simply a non-fit for ND. They don’t have any choice, and in 3-4 years, the leverage will all be with Swafford and the ACC so expect big changes to ND’s relationship.

Comment by Taxing Matters 07.09.13 @ 10:18 am

Pitt.Dan83–I don’t think Mostella can sign a LOI till he is attending classes at Pitt because he committed after the close of the spring signing period.

There was an internet rumor he might not have qualified yet. I don’t know if it was just a rumor or if there was truth to it. In any event, on his u-tube dunk contest interview he sounded intelligent and articulate and not like the kind of kid who you might suspect of being a poor student. If he isn’t/wasn’t currently eligible he might have either needed to finish a HS class last month or to take one this summer. Or, perhaps, he is waiting on the NCAA clearinghouse to approve a class he has already completed. Those folks are known for being far from prompt.

Comment by pitt1972 07.09.13 @ 10:27 am

You made me look up LOI rules.
It appears to be an LOI issue even though he as been granted full release he actually has to wait a year.

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See FAQ on release from NLI.
Mostella may not be eligible for 2013. They may need to appeal, etc. Don’t know.

Comment by Pitt.Dan83 07.09.13 @ 10:46 am

Lou Henson and Gene Keady, the gold standards for bad hair among college basketball coaches. Dixon isn’t there yet, but it bears watching.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 07.09.13 @ 11:06 am

Gene Keady, my Lord, yes. Nail. On. Head.


Comment by Dan 07.09.13 @ 11:21 am

Swafford made the right move. ND is the crown jewel of college football. It is not for what they do on the field, but because people love them, and, they love to hate them. People watch them for both reasons. In fact, I would guess that most people watching them on TV on any given Saturday are rooting against them. What does TV care as long as they are watching? When they play those five ACC teams each year, the ACC gets that ratings boost too. So if and when they decide (or are forced) to join a Conference, it will be the ACC. ND still has the clout to remain independent in FB, so Swafford did the next best thing. He put the ACC first in line for the only college football team that everybody loves or loves to hate!

Comment by HbgFrank 07.09.13 @ 11:24 am

Ovie Soko, Duquesne.

Comment by alcofan 07.09.13 @ 11:53 am

Got me thinking about bad hair on hoop coaches……

Not in the same league as Henson/Keady, but Tom Penders worked some bizarre curly creations. Almost perm-like…….

Comment by hugh green 07.09.13 @ 11:56 am

ND was not going to join the BT. Reason
ND wanted to join the BT in the thirties
but was denied because the school
is catholic. Therefore ACC had leverage
as it was the ND’s best option. That said
ND’s commitment to play 5 games is the
next best situation for the ACC.

Next issues move the BB tournament
to the MSG thereby cutting the BT out
of the NYC. ND helps here as does
the Cuse.

Comment by JR 07.09.13 @ 12:36 pm


Ditto on Vitale. Cannot stand his BS. When
he speaks my TV is muted!!!!!!!

Comment by JR 07.09.13 @ 12:38 pm

I know this is not a post directly relating to Pitt, but this just strikes me as weird. Who in the hell will want to watch this game? Does Penn State have some large fan base in Dublin?

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Comment by Big Bill 07.09.13 @ 12:57 pm

The worst (or best depending on your perspective) football/basketball bad hair duo would have to be found at WVU. Huggy Bear has a bad combination of slicked back with an 80’s middle part and that Bobcat Goldthwiat looking football coach’s hair is just a mess. They would also be the hardest drinking duo. Coincidence?

Comment by Boubacar Aw 07.09.13 @ 1:29 pm

here are the specifics at GreenTree last night .. again to be taken with a grain of salt

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Comment by wbb 07.09.13 @ 2:13 pm

Thx for the link wbb

Interesting that SPK still won without Patterson playing. Wonder if JD took notice. lol

Newkirk had 23 on some creative drives (that would be a new thing at Pitt) and pullup jumpers.
Appears he needs to work at the D though. Of course in these games, probably you’re not getting much ‘help’ D and the kids want to run.
Durand Durand had 21. What was real interesting was that Chevy Troutman scored 23 and controlled the boards.

Zanna had a monster game with 28 & 17. However it appears all the teams with Pitt players lost except for SPK who also has Mike Young besides Patterson who again didn’t play. But they are the only undefeated team.

And nothing wrong with JD’s hair. FYI, we use gel to get out of the house ASAP, since you just put some in and comb your hair and it’s good to go for the day. Certainly better than getting a jarhead buzzcut or going the Mr. Clean baldeagle look.

And who can forget one of the worst college coaching do’s. The LewDo

Comment by EMel 07.09.13 @ 4:40 pm

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