June 25, 2013

Ugh. Really? This is a thing? Getting all worked up over future bowl tie-ins for the ACC? This is one more sign of doom and gloom? That the ACC and Pitt are screwed because of exhibition games that will take on less meaning with playoffs coming?

I can’t do it. I can’t even muster the hint of angst over this.

We’ve traded Birmingham for Shreveport as the worst of the “official” bowl relationships in Pitt’s conference. The other thing, is that the ACC like just about every conference is seeking more control over the bowls and making sure the same team is not getting sent to the same bowl every time. Something Pitt fans should fully be supporting.

But since the ACC may not have a full tie-in with the Gator Bowl, it’s time to panic. Instead, what we are seeing are deals with multiple conferences. The ACC will share a bid with the Big 10 on this. They will share other bids with other conferences in other bowls. Why?


Because there are never going to be enough bowl eligible teams to go around every year. Yes, there are certain bowls — beyond the biggies — that conferences will try to remain tied to, but the trend is trying to spread it out more.

Is the ACC as well positioned as the Big 10 or SEC? No. Here’s the reality, those conferences have programs with larger alumni bases and more programs that have shown they will travel well to bowls. The ACC can’t make that claim. Pitt, Miami, BC, Wake, Virginia, GT, Syracuse all have less than stellar travel reputations or smaller alumni bases to limit them. That’s half the conference right there. But if these programs get bowl eligible they will play somewhere.

There are just that many bowls out there. Unlike the Big 10 which is announcing bowl bids as they are finalized, the ACC is waiting until they have them all complete to make official announcements.

The ACC has a target date in mind to complete its bowl lineup.

“We’re hopeful that everything will be rolled out the week of July 8,” said Amy Yakola, the ACC’s senior associate commissioner for communications.

It will get sorted out. There will be enough bids to go around. Find something else to direct the angst. Or at least find someone else who is actually worried so you can commiserate.

Pitt would be lucky, very lucky to make a bowl in the next two seasons..Chas, do you wanna delete that?

Comment by yup 06.25.13 @ 9:41 am

and if there are not enough bowls and a couple of
7 and 5 teams sit home then what.
have you even checked on how things are going
with the bowl or are you just makeing noise,
my be some of us care.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 9:56 am

I lived in S’port for 7 years. It’s no the greatest town but for a small southern city it really embraces the bowl and the kids. The city offers casino’s, awesome Louisiana food, not as good as NOLA but good. It also has beautiful woman in the town and drive through daiquiri places. Plus the temp will be 60. It beats Birmingham by a long shot.

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.25.13 @ 10:31 am

nothing else to panic about right now since:

1. Chryst’s staff reputation grows stronger daily
2. oops, he can recruit
3. Shell wanted back so there goes the supposed hit to the reputation
4. You can feel just stability and solidity growing as PC makes clear he is “building a program not building a team for a year”.

Comment by PittScript 06.25.13 @ 10:40 am

Actually this could work out nicely if you’re bowl elgible and all the ACC slots are filled up.

You could end up somewhere better than Shreveport or Nashville or even Charlotte. As PITT ppl didn’t exactly flood the ticket office with requests to the last 2 Belk/Meineke/Continental Tire Bowls we’ve been in.

Hey we could end up some year playing in the Emerald Bowl in SF. Which would be a real nice venue for a change. Sure would beat Alabami in January.

Here’s something to relieve your bowl angst.
Look at the AAC bowl lineup (or lack thereof), lol

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 10:41 am

And we could have easily still been in the AAC.

Everyone should send Mr. DeFillippo a recurring Thank You email on a daily basis !

And SP should send the guy part of his $543K salary.

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 10:44 am

Aaaaaaa……wait a minute.

Drive-thru Daiquiri Bars !

Ok, Shreveport will suffice ! :-)

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 10:49 am

But only if they go back to my alltime fav bowl name.

The Poulan Weedeater Bowl
(brought to you by Monsanto’s Roundup)

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 10:59 am

ok but right now we have signed deals with 5
bowls lat year we had 8
the ACC said becuse of the 3 new teams and ND
we needed 9 or 10 bowl deals.
we have 5 just saying july 8 is comeing fast
and the outhers like the big 10 are signing
bowls one after the outher.
make fun if you want to but if we end up
with 7 or 8 just remember the ACC said we need
at least 9 and maybe 10 tie ins.
i my self like it when pitt is in a bowl even
if we are 6 and 6.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 11:09 am

Emel – They are awesome….Have tape over the straw so you have to wait till you get home to drink…. LOL – It’s a joke but hilarious. As far as Smug Steve….I hope you are sitting down….He makes 700K not 543K.

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.25.13 @ 11:14 am

Interesting part of that Bowl Article:

“Published reports have linked the Gator Bowl and the Music City Bowl in Nashville as forming an alliance for the SEC vs. the Big Ten/ACC.

However, those reports may not be going far enough and a source involved with the process who requested anonymity because the deals are not yet finalized said up to three more bowls may be involved in a pool with the Gator and Music City: the Outback in Tampa, the Belk Bowl in Charlotte, N.C., and the Houston Bowl.

If the ACC gets access to the Outback Back on Jan 1rst and to a lesser extent the Houston Bowl, that would be a real coup.

Also that article mentions:

“The Gator Bowl is in the final year of a four-year conference alignment to match an SEC vs. a Big Ten team and the Gator Bowl Association made it a priority to maintain that relationships in the next cycle — especially with the SEC.”

So the ACC hasn’t been a part of the Gator Bowl since 2009. In effect we haven’t lost anything.

But alas the Gator Bowl is not extremely happy however since the Big 10 team last drew crap (for them) :

A goal of the pool system will be to create better matchups. The five bowls under speculation as being part of the pool including the Gator Bowl averaged 51,490 in attendance for last season’s games. The Gator Bowl had a 13-YEAR LOW with 48,612 watching Northwestern and Mississippi State.”

And then the Gator Bowl says something nice about us (sort of):

“The Gator Bowl Association declined to renew with the ACC after the 2010 game but Catlett (Gator Bowl President) pointed out that the Notre Dame association and expansion to include Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Louisville, has strengthened the ACC.”

So all in all, the ACC will be just fine with Bowl spots.

As one of our bloggers says:

Stay Calm

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 11:15 am

OutBack Back….lol

I think I need to make a trip to one of those Drive-Thru Daiguiri Thingies.

Hey Upittbaseball

Does Shreveport also have Drive-Thru Bourbon places ? (not really into drinks with umbrellas)

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 11:22 am

THE gator is one of the 5 signed bowls we will play
in 3 years and play the outhe 3 years in the music
city bowl.
but that still only gives us 5 signed bowls
might we end up with more maybe but a bird in hand
is worth 2 in the bush we have just 5 today that
is the fact.

how many times after we joined the ACC did
i see posted on here that one good thing abought
the ACC is that we will have a shot at better bowls that must have been posted 20 times on here if it was posted once.

we might get and i say might get the detroit
bowl do you think that is a better bowl
if we get it i could care less i dont want to go there in the summer let alone in the winter.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 11:49 am

EMel let me make it clear abought the gator bowl
the deal is for 6 years it also has the music bowl
as part of the deal.
on the years we play in the music bowl we dont play in the gator.
and on the year we play in the gator we dont play in the music bowl.
so it counts as one bowl depending on the year
we play in each bowl 3 times in 6 years.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 12:11 pm

just read the big 10 just signed there 9th bowl
deal working on the 10th at this point in time
we have 5 just saying

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 12:19 pm

Yea I hear ya Frankie.

Let’s wait until July 9th before we panic. lol

Any bowls they add to the mix for the ACC, outside of the Outback Bowl, will be minor bowls anyway. FWIW

And judging by the way Pitt ppl don’t go to minor bowls in a large way, is it really going to matter if they add some more crap 3rd tier bowls in East Bumf*ck.

They’re all made for ESPN TV Bowls to fill up ESPN’s & ESPN 2’s December programming schedule.

I’m not going to lose sleep over a game involving Pitt playing East Carolina in Tuscaloosa, nor if I had a good Christmas party to go to, would mind missing it on TV.

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 12:46 pm

Call it:

The 3 years of watching Sunseri in Bowl Games Effect !

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 12:51 pm

hey and don’t forget.

When our pals at Notre Dame AREN’T in the BCS (or whatever they’re going to call it) Playoffs (most years).

They are going to take one of the ACC bowl slots as long as they are 6-6.

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 12:54 pm

EMel out back bowl for next 6 years big 10

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 1:01 pm

Recruiting news on the Hoop Front:

Another one, Pitt was recruiting got away.

Dwayne ‘D.J.’ Foreman

Rating: 3 *(rivals) 4* (ESPN)

Status: Verbally Committed to Rutgers

Year: 2014 (HS SR)

Position: Power Forward

Position Rank : 21

Height 6-8

Weight 210

Hometown Spring Valley, NY

High School Massanutten Military Academy

AAU Team Boo Williams


Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 1:04 pm

@ FRANKCAN, when exactly did all of us college football fans accept the premise that a .500 winning season was the appropriate criteria to be honored with a post season bowl invitation in the first place?

IMHO, I feel that ALL 7-5 college football teams should be left sitting at home. I’d love to see the college bowl line up actually revert back to meaning something again, like in the old days. Back 30 years ago, getting a bowl invite was an award only the better teams were honored with. Nowdays you have to actually really suck not to end up in a minor meaningless bowl somewhere.

This has diluted the entire post season bowl environment IMO.

Comment by Dr. Tom 06.25.13 @ 1:06 pm

This article is supposed to be an official ACC press release, it says we have 8 bowl tie ins.

link to

In the words of Eva Gabor.

is this not correct darling or vat ?

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 1:15 pm

Frankcan, just 8 days ago, you were panicked because we had 1 recruit

Chill out …. have a daquiri

Comment by wbb 06.25.13 @ 1:31 pm

EMel wake up that is for this year,
the new bowl deals go from 2014 to 19
now here is how it is no team from the big 5 will be playing any one from little 5 the big 5 is freezeing them out no one is playing east carolina after this year,
the sec and big 10 and pac 12 and ACC just want to play each outher that is why the american conference is trying to start there own bowl games

to some extent the outher big 4 are also trying to freeze us out.

look you are a very smart man but look into this stuff instead of trying to prove me wrong
i have been checking on this for weeks look at the dates on the stuff you find we are talking of the new deals with run until 2019 not what we have this year.
you might have reason to worry just check things out uase that wondeful brain of yours than if i am wrong tell me but if we end up with crap bowls remmber i told you so

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 1:33 pm

DR. Tomthe first bowl game pitt was in that had TD
on the team was 6 and 6 and went to the sun bowl.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 1:39 pm


Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 1:40 pm

Wbb i think you were worried also if i remember
some of your posts.
but Wbb have you looked into this bowl thing your self or do you just like to tell me to cool it check it out then tell me to chill.
my bet is we end up with 8 bowls not the 10 the acc wanted and some of them crap becuse the outher big 4 are trying to push out of there way just what i see but look for your self

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 1:46 pm

lol wbb

Yes we’re all going to the Daiquiri Drive Thrus in Shreveport or maybe to Atlanta for the Chic-Fil-A Bowl and some Mint Juleps.

For you my friend Frankie:

link to

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 1:53 pm

EMel that is not like you but ok did you see
that what you posted for bowls for this year
not for 2014 19.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 2:02 pm

Wbb EMel this is what i think some time after july
10 there will be a story abought the ACC bowls
bye some sports talking head abought how the ACC got screwed on the bowls got to many ter3 bowls
got pushed aside bye the outher big 4 .

i could be wrong but i dont think so if we end up with 8 i am right and if most are crap i am right based on what the acc wanted when this started

and you will say frank was talking abought that
but if i am wrong i will say so

it is to bad you wont look into it EMel insted
you just think i am wrong with out checking

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 2:10 pm

like i said EMEL what you posted was for bowl line up for 2013 and is done after this year what you posted was fom may 6 .
we wont be playing in 2 of the bowls from that line up in 2014 may be 3 if we lose the sun .
we are down to 5 insted of makeing fun of me look this stuff up.
most times you want to be right you are not
your self to day.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 2:20 pm

FRANKCAN, Lighten up my man, with the onset of this hot weather and the stress level you are generating over minutia, you are going to stroke out.Easy big guy ,easy.

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.25.13 @ 2:22 pm

Well like I said above somewhere, let’s wait until July 9th before we go into panic mode as the ACC will announce on July 8th the new bowl contracts.

And I’m sure the two business parters (ACC/ESPN) will create more bowls if they’re needed.

It’s still better than being stuck in the AAC however it plays out. Correct ?

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 2:23 pm

btw I wasn’t making fun of you Frankie.

I don’t look that far ahead (2014-2019) anymore.

Since who knows if me, you or anyone will be around.

And another thing, I’m sure our well paid genius AD will figure the whole thing out since Nordy has so much faith in him. 😉

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 2:32 pm

Correction: The first Pitt team to go to a bowl after the 1956 Gator Bowl was Johnny Majors’ 1973 team with TD as a freshman…went to the Fiesta Bowl..played Arizona State lost 28-7. I know. I was a Pitt cheerleader then and the alums paid for us to go to Phoenix. Great time.

Comment by TonyinHouston 06.25.13 @ 2:52 pm

EMel ok

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 2:54 pm

Tonyinhouston but team was 6 and 5 right that was the main point i was makeing

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 2:57 pm


link to

The tape on the straw stops us from drinking it in the car. wink wink…Hahaha. By the way after some research, we can get 151, run, vodka, etc. no Bourbon….Sorry but if it’s early we can get a Cajun Mary….The Louisiana version of a bloody mary…It’s gonna be spicy!

Comment by Upittbaseball 06.25.13 @ 3:08 pm

OK you dont like bowl talk how abought this
pitt knows they wont get keller chryst
so the next QB we sign will be wade freebeck from
davie FL.
yes no?

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 3:27 pm

lol what….no Bourbon Daiquiri’s.

What kind of place is that !

Pitt was 6-5-1 in 1972.

Who can forget Johnny Major’s very first game at Pitt, we went down to Athens, Georgia and in between the hedgerows we tied those Bulldogs,

And quite coincidentally we beat those same Georgia Bulldogs for our latest National Championship on Bourbon Street in 1976 and beat em again in the ’81 Sugar Bowl.

Yea we love beating up on them SEC teams !

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 3:27 pm

james robinson will play in u 19 champion ship
after all some one got sick so he is on the team

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 4:06 pm

Emel, Touchdown John Brown on 4th and 3 under a minute in the Pac Man game. D held Herschel Walker to under a hundred. What a game!

Comment by spiritofsection 22 06.25.13 @ 5:15 pm

FRANKCAN, in 1973 Pitt was actually 6-4-1 in the regular season with an opening game
7-7 tie against the mighty SEC Georgia Bulldogs playing them “between the hedges” on there own turf. That was Majors and Dorsett’s coming out party. The only reason we got the Fiesta Bowl bid (which was a new minor no name bowl at the time) was because we were such a Cinderella team that year after going 1-10 the previous season.

BTW, Pitt felt very honored to get that invite too, considering their less than stellar record. So I stand by my previous post, no hard feelings towards your opinions on the matter however.

Comment by Dr. Tom 06.25.13 @ 5:28 pm

Well, there’s always the Pinstripe Bowl…..

link to

Comment by Tourman 06.25.13 @ 6:36 pm

Visited Shreveport. Visited Birmingham. I’ll take Shreveport.

Brisket,casino’s,horse races & drive thru daiquiri’s over pork,& dog racing any day.

Comment by PITT-cocks fan 06.25.13 @ 6:50 pm

1973 regular season record: 6-4-1
1973-Pittsburgh (Independent)

9/15 @ Georgia (7-4-1) T 7 7
9/22 vs. Baylor (2-9) L 14 20
9/29 @ Northwestern (4-7) W 21 14
10/6 vs. Tulane (9-3) L 6 24
10/13 @ West Virginia (6-5) W 35 7
10/20 @ Boston College (7-4) W 28 14
10/27 vs. Navy (4-7) W 22 17
11/3 vs. Syracuse (2-9) W 28 14
11/10 vs. Notre Dame (11-0) L 10 31
11/17 @ Army (0-10) W 34 0
11/24 @ Penn State (12-0) L 13 35
12/21 vs. Arizona State (11-1) L 7 28 @ Tempe, AZ Fiesta Bowl


Comment by TonyinHouston 06.25.13 @ 6:58 pm

BTW, if Rutgers and Syracuse both have 6-6 or better record … guess who’s playing in Pinstripe Bowl?

Comment by wbb 06.25.13 @ 7:08 pm

so Pitt played 2 of the 3 undefeated teams in regular season 1973 …. ND, PSU and Bama. ND beat Bama 24-23 (or something like that) in Sugar Bowl for national title. Ara vs Bear… JoePa on outside looking in with 3rd undefeated team without a national title

Comment by wbb 06.25.13 @ 7:14 pm

wbb, maybe that’s what pushed him over the edge and down the path of coverups.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 06.25.13 @ 7:27 pm

I imagine what really drove him crazy was Pitt winning it all in 76

Comment by wbb 06.25.13 @ 7:38 pm

Where can we see Greentree results?

Comment by panther94 06.25.13 @ 7:52 pm

see the Summer basketball posts for links to last nights’ results .. you can click on Pantherlair and Pantherdigest also.

don’t know if they’re playing tonite

Comment by wbb 06.25.13 @ 8:14 pm

“You see in this world, there’s two kinds of people my friend, those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.”

Comment by Dan 06.25.13 @ 8:26 pm

im your huckleberry

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 8:43 pm

you wretched slugs dont any of ya have the guts
to play for blood. im your huckleberry thats just
my game.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 8:51 pm

Ilove the smell of napalm in the morning it smells
like victory.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 8:57 pm

Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.

Comment by Scott 78 06.25.13 @ 9:03 pm

I love this blog…just break out into movie quotes out of the blue. I got one for you. Pederson and Nordy commenting on Chryst’s denial of Shell coming back:

Pederson: What’s he doing?
Nordy: He’s beginning to believe.

Comment by panther94 06.25.13 @ 9:21 pm

The legendary Frank Kush, who built Arizona State’s football program was originally from Western Pa.

He actually lobbied for the Pitt HC job in the late 60’s and knew some ppl at PITT. Instead we hired Dave Hart, lol. That was quite the wrong decision.

I understand we got the first ever Fiesta Bowl bid to play Kush’s ASU team, because of his western Pa. roots and his ties to some ppl at PITT.

We would revisit the Fiesta Bowl again in Dan Marino’s freshmen year in 1979 against Tony Mason’s Arizona Wildcats. Tony Mason was born in Pittsburgh. Some coaches who coached under Tony Mason include:

Mike Gottfried (former Pitt HC)

John Fox ( current Broncos HS, former Carolina Panthers HC and former backfield coach at PITT)

Frank Beamer (VT)

Paul Hackett (former Pitt HC)

John Jenkins (former Pitt QB coach)

Bob Valesente (former Steeler DC & LB coach)

Mike McCarthy (current Packers HC, former Pitt QB & WR coach, born in Pgh.)

Bob Davie (former ND HC, former Pitt LB coach, born in Pgh.)

Ron Turner (current FIU HC, former Pitt QB coach)

John Harbaugh (current Super Bowl Champion Ravens HC, former Pitt TE coach)

Ron Zook (former Illinois & Florida HC, former Steelers Special Teams coach, was on the short list for Pitt HC several times)

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 11:06 pm

Props to JR for the U-19 team Olympic selection. Way to go and do us proud my man! Must give Zanna serious credit for the “do whatever it takes to help the team attitude” in his senior year. It’s painfully obvious that he and Lamar are crucial to this first ACC season in men’s BB! UPone

Comment by UPone 06.25.13 @ 11:37 pm

OMG EMel, who is that bag of lawn manure listed on your recent coaches list right after Frankie Beamer? Not many plagues can destroy two storied college football programs. UPone

Comment by UPone 06.25.13 @ 11:43 pm

One of the interesting aspects of that list is the co-creator of the ‘run & shoot’ offense was a coach at Pitt in 1986.

This was right after the USFL folded and this particular coach had been the OC of the Houston Gamblers who had Jim Kelly at QB. The Gamblers set a Pro football record with the ‘run & shoot’ offense in 1985 with over 6,000 yards passing between Kelly and his backup. That record is still never been close to being broken in pro football.

After his one year at Pitt, he went on to the University of Houston and implemented his offense there and coached Andre Ware to the Heisman trophy in 1989. Ware threw for almost 5000 yards and 44 TD’s and set 26 NCAA records in 1989. Now this was when Houston played in the old Southwest Conference and they beat the Texas Longhorns 3 straight years, 60-40, 66-15 and 47-9.

After Ware graduated with the Heisman in tow, this coach proceeded to the next QB, David Klingler.
Who threw for over 400 yards in 9 of the 11 games in 1990 including a ridiculous …716 yards against Arizona State.

Klingler completed that season (1990) with over 5100 yards and an incredible 54 TD passes that included 11 in one game.

What’s interesting is….this could have happened at Pitt. (oh my what could have been with Alex Van Pelt)

Can you name the coach ?

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:03 am

@ Upone

ikr….us & USC….

quite amazing wasn’t is !

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:05 am

Wasn’t Pardee was it?

Comment by Sfpitt 06.26.13 @ 12:11 am

Nope the answer is on that list of coaches above

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:22 am

Good article in the Trib about how Pitt is evaluating recruits. More surprising to me is that it is stated that Rivals, etc only rank kids by film. Never really thought about it but how else would they try to rank every kid in the US.
It confirms that those web sites are a joke. Not only are they only using film, they are using film that is seven months old at this point. It is impossible to rate a player without evaluating them the way the Pitt staff is doing it at their camps.

Comment by notrocketscience 06.26.13 @ 6:14 am

has to be Jenkins or Turner (through the process of elimination)

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:31 am

There are many high school players in the country, and those who standout or are physical specimens, will get the most scrutiny as underclassmen.

While the chances of a 5 or 4 star player succeeding are certainly better, it is not out the question that 2 stars and nonrated players can become productive D1 players. As the Trib article listed, you need to find the prospects that fit your system.

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:37 am

… although it woud be very nice to find 4 stars thatfit your ysytem. McKenzie would look great running behind those big OL in the next few years, and Henry and Nichlson would be a dream duo of safetys.

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:40 am

@ EMel,

I have to admit that I am not up on my USFL history as one should be, lol,

I thought Jenkins was the ST coach there and went on to be HC. I always though Mouse Davis and Jack Pardee were the co-creators of the run and shoot.

Comment by Bowling Green Panthers 06.26.13 @ 7:02 am


Comment by giveitarest 06.26.13 @ 7:29 am

I’ll leave this open for a little while longer, in case anyone else wants to take a stab at it.

Although with a couple new blogs up, don’t know if we’re going to get many looks.

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 9:17 am

That would have been awesome having that type of offense at PITT in the late 80’s and into the 90’s.

We had the guy here and somehow it didn’t work out. Seems to be a common theme with Pitt the last 30 years. We had Joe Flacco too.

We had the right guy positioned BEFORE the Ped State story broke and the big changes at WVcc.

Oh well me Buccos won again last nite, I think that’s 5 in a row. We hit a season high 5 Homers with Starling Marte with 2. Jeff Locke won game number 7. Turned out to be the gem in the Nate McClouth trade !

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 9:24 am

Big deal… Win 10+ games and this stuff takes care of itself.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 06.26.13 @ 12:10 pm

Mouse Davis was the OC and Pardee the head coach.

Comment by notrocketscience 06.26.13 @ 12:17 pm

@emel–RE: Frank Kush My recollection is that he was announced as hired and then he backed out–I thought because Pitt refused his terms regarding money and recruiting. But its so long ago my memory is very hazy.

Comment by pitt1972 06.26.13 @ 12:28 pm

The answer is:

John Jenkins.

Who left Pitt after only one season as QB coach (1986) to the University of Houston and became OC and then HC and was the genius behind Houston’s incredible high scoring offense behind first Andre Ware (Heisman Trophy, 1989 and 26 NCAA passing records) and then David Klingler.

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:38 pm

Jenkins did learn the ‘run & shoot’ from Mouse Davis while they were both with the Houston Gamblers (Jim Kelly) of the USFL. Davis left to become HC of the Denver Gold and then Jenkins modified the ‘run & shoot’ somewhat.

Kelly was on pace to pass for over 7700 yards and 78 TD’s until he got injured.

Seeing that David Klingler passed for over 5100 yards and 54 TD’s in one season, one has to believe Jim Kelly (who was 10 times better than Klingler) would have reached those outragious totals.

And it wasn’t all just passing, one year at Houston they also had 2 1000 yard rushers in the same season.

That had to be really fun to waTCH ~!!!

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:42 pm


Sounds like PITT.

Cheap, got us Dave Hart (3 wins 30 losses in 3 years) and Carl DePasqua (who wasn’t quite as inept but dreadful too).

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:45 pm

I believe those Houston teams scored 95 pts one time and over 80 two other times in lates 80s / early 90s …. but were upset the very next week after winning big a few times

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 1:49 pm

I would coach a University of Houston team anyday. Houston is loaded with talent, great city and an under rated school.
As far as bowls go, with the demise of the Big East, the ACC is next up for the bullies from the Big Ten, Pac 10 to pick on. The Big Ten has a far better PR machine than the ACC and more alums to drink the Kool Aid. happily, the NFL makes its money based on performance and with so few Big Ten players drafted, performance takes a dip in Big Ten land.
The ACC now has to hunker down and get it done in the baord room and in peformance.
That means Pitt has got to be something other than “happy to be here”.
Again, I wait to see what Pitt aspires to become. My answer thus far is “one of many”. Not quite as thrilling or having the same meaning as “E pluribus unum”.

Comment by sfpitt 06.27.13 @ 7:11 am

Off subject but precious. The Rushel Shell saga continues with 1st public comments from his family since the request for reinstatment at Pitt. His Mommy says “it’s hard being so young with twin baby girls to be responsible for”. A master of the obvious!

Shell had a change of heart apparently after a Father’s Day celebration, were he actually spent some time with his baby girls, I guess. Rushel had a epiphany moment and realized, just then, that he wanted to stay closer to home. OK, and what was he considering for the entire week of “taking some time away from football” during Spring practice? He was sitting at home chillin while the rest of his team was busting their humps and he STILL comes to the conclusion after all that time off to consider his options that transfering out of the perfect situation that he could possibly be in for his own best interest, wasn’t right for him. What a frickin train wreck. West Virginia deserves him!

Comment by Dr. Tom 06.27.13 @ 7:43 am

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