June 25, 2013

Ugh. Really? This is a thing? Getting all worked up over future bowl tie-ins for the ACC? This is one more sign of doom and gloom? That the ACC and Pitt are screwed because of exhibition games that will take on less meaning with playoffs coming?

I can’t do it. I can’t even muster the hint of angst over this.

We’ve traded Birmingham for Shreveport as the worst of the “official” bowl relationships in Pitt’s conference. The other thing, is that the ACC like just about every conference is seeking more control over the bowls and making sure the same team is not getting sent to the same bowl every time. Something Pitt fans should fully be supporting.

But since the ACC may not have a full tie-in with the Gator Bowl, it’s time to panic. Instead, what we are seeing are deals with multiple conferences. The ACC will share a bid with the Big 10 on this. They will share other bids with other conferences in other bowls. Why?


Because there are never going to be enough bowl eligible teams to go around every year. Yes, there are certain bowls — beyond the biggies — that conferences will try to remain tied to, but the trend is trying to spread it out more.

Is the ACC as well positioned as the Big 10 or SEC? No. Here’s the reality, those conferences have programs with larger alumni bases and more programs that have shown they will travel well to bowls. The ACC can’t make that claim. Pitt, Miami, BC, Wake, Virginia, GT, Syracuse all have less than stellar travel reputations or smaller alumni bases to limit them. That’s half the conference right there. But if these programs get bowl eligible they will play somewhere.

There are just that many bowls out there. Unlike the Big 10 which is announcing bowl bids as they are finalized, the ACC is waiting until they have them all complete to make official announcements.

The ACC has a target date in mind to complete its bowl lineup.

“We’re hopeful that everything will be rolled out the week of July 8,” said Amy Yakola, the ACC’s senior associate commissioner for communications.

It will get sorted out. There will be enough bids to go around. Find something else to direct the angst. Or at least find someone else who is actually worried so you can commiserate.

Where can we see Greentree results?

Comment by panther94 06.25.13 @ 7:52 pm

see the Summer basketball posts for links to last nights’ results .. you can click on Pantherlair and Pantherdigest also.

don’t know if they’re playing tonite

Comment by wbb 06.25.13 @ 8:14 pm

“You see in this world, there’s two kinds of people my friend, those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.”

Comment by Dan 06.25.13 @ 8:26 pm

im your huckleberry

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 8:43 pm

you wretched slugs dont any of ya have the guts
to play for blood. im your huckleberry thats just
my game.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 8:51 pm

Ilove the smell of napalm in the morning it smells
like victory.

Comment by FRANKCAN 06.25.13 @ 8:57 pm

Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.

Comment by Scott 78 06.25.13 @ 9:03 pm

I love this blog…just break out into movie quotes out of the blue. I got one for you. Pederson and Nordy commenting on Chryst’s denial of Shell coming back:

Pederson: What’s he doing?
Nordy: He’s beginning to believe.

Comment by panther94 06.25.13 @ 9:21 pm

The legendary Frank Kush, who built Arizona State’s football program was originally from Western Pa.

He actually lobbied for the Pitt HC job in the late 60’s and knew some ppl at PITT. Instead we hired Dave Hart, lol. That was quite the wrong decision.

I understand we got the first ever Fiesta Bowl bid to play Kush’s ASU team, because of his western Pa. roots and his ties to some ppl at PITT.

We would revisit the Fiesta Bowl again in Dan Marino’s freshmen year in 1979 against Tony Mason’s Arizona Wildcats. Tony Mason was born in Pittsburgh. Some coaches who coached under Tony Mason include:

Mike Gottfried (former Pitt HC)

John Fox ( current Broncos HS, former Carolina Panthers HC and former backfield coach at PITT)

Frank Beamer (VT)

Paul Hackett (former Pitt HC)

John Jenkins (former Pitt QB coach)

Bob Valesente (former Steeler DC & LB coach)

Mike McCarthy (current Packers HC, former Pitt QB & WR coach, born in Pgh.)

Bob Davie (former ND HC, former Pitt LB coach, born in Pgh.)

Ron Turner (current FIU HC, former Pitt QB coach)

John Harbaugh (current Super Bowl Champion Ravens HC, former Pitt TE coach)

Ron Zook (former Illinois & Florida HC, former Steelers Special Teams coach, was on the short list for Pitt HC several times)

Comment by EMel 06.25.13 @ 11:06 pm

Props to JR for the U-19 team Olympic selection. Way to go and do us proud my man! Must give Zanna serious credit for the “do whatever it takes to help the team attitude” in his senior year. It’s painfully obvious that he and Lamar are crucial to this first ACC season in men’s BB! UPone

Comment by UPone 06.25.13 @ 11:37 pm

OMG EMel, who is that bag of lawn manure listed on your recent coaches list right after Frankie Beamer? Not many plagues can destroy two storied college football programs. UPone

Comment by UPone 06.25.13 @ 11:43 pm

One of the interesting aspects of that list is the co-creator of the ‘run & shoot’ offense was a coach at Pitt in 1986.

This was right after the USFL folded and this particular coach had been the OC of the Houston Gamblers who had Jim Kelly at QB. The Gamblers set a Pro football record with the ‘run & shoot’ offense in 1985 with over 6,000 yards passing between Kelly and his backup. That record is still never been close to being broken in pro football.

After his one year at Pitt, he went on to the University of Houston and implemented his offense there and coached Andre Ware to the Heisman trophy in 1989. Ware threw for almost 5000 yards and 44 TD’s and set 26 NCAA records in 1989. Now this was when Houston played in the old Southwest Conference and they beat the Texas Longhorns 3 straight years, 60-40, 66-15 and 47-9.

After Ware graduated with the Heisman in tow, this coach proceeded to the next QB, David Klingler.
Who threw for over 400 yards in 9 of the 11 games in 1990 including a ridiculous …716 yards against Arizona State.

Klingler completed that season (1990) with over 5100 yards and an incredible 54 TD passes that included 11 in one game.

What’s interesting is….this could have happened at Pitt. (oh my what could have been with Alex Van Pelt)

Can you name the coach ?

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:03 am

@ Upone

ikr….us & USC….

quite amazing wasn’t is !

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:05 am

Wasn’t Pardee was it?

Comment by Sfpitt 06.26.13 @ 12:11 am

Nope the answer is on that list of coaches above

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:22 am

Good article in the Trib about how Pitt is evaluating recruits. More surprising to me is that it is stated that Rivals, etc only rank kids by film. Never really thought about it but how else would they try to rank every kid in the US.
It confirms that those web sites are a joke. Not only are they only using film, they are using film that is seven months old at this point. It is impossible to rate a player without evaluating them the way the Pitt staff is doing it at their camps.

Comment by notrocketscience 06.26.13 @ 6:14 am

has to be Jenkins or Turner (through the process of elimination)

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:31 am

There are many high school players in the country, and those who standout or are physical specimens, will get the most scrutiny as underclassmen.

While the chances of a 5 or 4 star player succeeding are certainly better, it is not out the question that 2 stars and nonrated players can become productive D1 players. As the Trib article listed, you need to find the prospects that fit your system.

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:37 am

… although it woud be very nice to find 4 stars thatfit your ysytem. McKenzie would look great running behind those big OL in the next few years, and Henry and Nichlson would be a dream duo of safetys.

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 6:40 am

@ EMel,

I have to admit that I am not up on my USFL history as one should be, lol,

I thought Jenkins was the ST coach there and went on to be HC. I always though Mouse Davis and Jack Pardee were the co-creators of the run and shoot.

Comment by Bowling Green Panthers 06.26.13 @ 7:02 am


Comment by giveitarest 06.26.13 @ 7:29 am

I’ll leave this open for a little while longer, in case anyone else wants to take a stab at it.

Although with a couple new blogs up, don’t know if we’re going to get many looks.

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 9:17 am

That would have been awesome having that type of offense at PITT in the late 80’s and into the 90’s.

We had the guy here and somehow it didn’t work out. Seems to be a common theme with Pitt the last 30 years. We had Joe Flacco too.

We had the right guy positioned BEFORE the Ped State story broke and the big changes at WVcc.

Oh well me Buccos won again last nite, I think that’s 5 in a row. We hit a season high 5 Homers with Starling Marte with 2. Jeff Locke won game number 7. Turned out to be the gem in the Nate McClouth trade !

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 9:24 am

Big deal… Win 10+ games and this stuff takes care of itself.

Comment by Joe Lawrence 06.26.13 @ 12:10 pm

Mouse Davis was the OC and Pardee the head coach.

Comment by notrocketscience 06.26.13 @ 12:17 pm

@emel–RE: Frank Kush My recollection is that he was announced as hired and then he backed out–I thought because Pitt refused his terms regarding money and recruiting. But its so long ago my memory is very hazy.

Comment by pitt1972 06.26.13 @ 12:28 pm

The answer is:

John Jenkins.

Who left Pitt after only one season as QB coach (1986) to the University of Houston and became OC and then HC and was the genius behind Houston’s incredible high scoring offense behind first Andre Ware (Heisman Trophy, 1989 and 26 NCAA passing records) and then David Klingler.

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:38 pm

Jenkins did learn the ‘run & shoot’ from Mouse Davis while they were both with the Houston Gamblers (Jim Kelly) of the USFL. Davis left to become HC of the Denver Gold and then Jenkins modified the ‘run & shoot’ somewhat.

Kelly was on pace to pass for over 7700 yards and 78 TD’s until he got injured.

Seeing that David Klingler passed for over 5100 yards and 54 TD’s in one season, one has to believe Jim Kelly (who was 10 times better than Klingler) would have reached those outragious totals.

And it wasn’t all just passing, one year at Houston they also had 2 1000 yard rushers in the same season.

That had to be really fun to waTCH ~!!!

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:42 pm


Sounds like PITT.

Cheap, got us Dave Hart (3 wins 30 losses in 3 years) and Carl DePasqua (who wasn’t quite as inept but dreadful too).

Comment by EMel 06.26.13 @ 12:45 pm

I believe those Houston teams scored 95 pts one time and over 80 two other times in lates 80s / early 90s …. but were upset the very next week after winning big a few times

Comment by wbb 06.26.13 @ 1:49 pm

I would coach a University of Houston team anyday. Houston is loaded with talent, great city and an under rated school.
As far as bowls go, with the demise of the Big East, the ACC is next up for the bullies from the Big Ten, Pac 10 to pick on. The Big Ten has a far better PR machine than the ACC and more alums to drink the Kool Aid. happily, the NFL makes its money based on performance and with so few Big Ten players drafted, performance takes a dip in Big Ten land.
The ACC now has to hunker down and get it done in the baord room and in peformance.
That means Pitt has got to be something other than “happy to be here”.
Again, I wait to see what Pitt aspires to become. My answer thus far is “one of many”. Not quite as thrilling or having the same meaning as “E pluribus unum”.

Comment by sfpitt 06.27.13 @ 7:11 am

Off subject but precious. The Rushel Shell saga continues with 1st public comments from his family since the request for reinstatment at Pitt. His Mommy says “it’s hard being so young with twin baby girls to be responsible for”. A master of the obvious!

Shell had a change of heart apparently after a Father’s Day celebration, were he actually spent some time with his baby girls, I guess. Rushel had a epiphany moment and realized, just then, that he wanted to stay closer to home. OK, and what was he considering for the entire week of “taking some time away from football” during Spring practice? He was sitting at home chillin while the rest of his team was busting their humps and he STILL comes to the conclusion after all that time off to consider his options that transfering out of the perfect situation that he could possibly be in for his own best interest, wasn’t right for him. What a frickin train wreck. West Virginia deserves him!

Comment by Dr. Tom 06.27.13 @ 7:43 am

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