I am starting to think that expansiopocolypse won’t end until we have a “conference” of 64 teams, divided into 5 divisions and each division bifurcated into two sections.
The latest shots fired come from the Big 10, in what can only be considered to be their biggest “all about the money” move in this never-ending program shifting.
The University of Maryland is in serious negotiations to join the Big Ten Conference, sources told ESPN on Saturday.
If Maryland goes from the ACC to the Big Ten, Rutgers of the Big East is expected to follow suit. The addition of Maryland and Rutgers would give the Big Ten 14 members as the league gears toward negotiations on a new media rights deal when its first-tier rights expire in 2017.
No date has been set for a potential announcement, though it could come as soon as Monday. The Maryland board of regents will meet at 9 a.m. Monday morning to decide on the move, a source with direct knowledge told ESPN.com Sunday morning.
But there is not a consensus among athletic department officials. The source said the school is leaning toward the move but there is still time for the school to decide to stay in the ACC.
Except the biggest homers for Maryland and Rutgers – no one is pretending that this possibility is about anything other than money. Specifically, the Big Ten Network (BTN).
There can be speculation about how the move by ND to partial membership to the ACC spooked Jim Delaney and the Big 10, but the most that did was make it clear to the Big 10 powers that even considering waiting for ND is finished. This is all and completely a money play.
There is no perfect answer but Rutgers and Maryland do bring TV sets for the Big Ten Network to be placed on basic cable tiers, and thus generate millions in additional revenue. The states should also provide fresh recruiting ground for current members to fan out and potentially improve their rosters.
It certainly isn’t to immediately bolster football credibility.
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Still, the money from potentially being able to jam the Big Ten Network into the home of every cable subscriber in each state (combined population: 14.6 million), is significant. It also allows the league to extend some reach into major Eastern media markets such as Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and even New York City. That said, the Big Ten added the Terrapins and Scarlet Knights, not the Giants, Jets, Eagles, Ravens and Redskins. College football just isn’t that big of a deal.
The Maryland addition to the Big 10 has long been a speculated possibility. Rutgers was half-hearted, with the whole New York City market fools gold. Yet, there may be a just as enticing subplot that makes Rutgers a more logical addition — in terms of money: Fox.
Fox holds a partial ownership stake in BTN. They are also looking to take an interest in a very important cable channel in New York and New Jersey.
News Corp is expected to announce this week that it has taken a minority stake in the YES Network, a New York-based sports channel that broadcasts Yankee baseball and Nets basketball games. The deal could be announced as early as Friday, according to a person with knowledge of the transaction.
The deal would expand News Corp’s network of 13 Fox regional sports channels and four other channels in which it is affiliated. Those channels have 67 million subscribers in Los Angeles, Houston and other cities.
The YES network is available in approximately 15 million homes.
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The deal would allow YES to raise the $2.99 monthly fee per subscriber it currently charges cable and satellite operators to carry the channel, said the person. News Corp could negotiate on its behalf with the operators as part of a larger package of sports channels.
[Emphasis added.]
Bundling is so very important. On its own, BTN would have a hard time getting a deal in New Jersey and especially New York City. But as part of a sports bundle that includes the New York Yankees network? Suddenly the BTN money train takes a huge jump.
The interesting thing is that the Big 10 is apparently given up most pretenses of anything but money with this move. Yes, both Rutgers and Maryland hold the nice AAU membership in addition to being good schools. But there is nothing competitively attractive about adding these teams. Unlike their past flirtations and words. Somewhere in Columbia, Missouri a chancellor is kicking his wall.
The domino is Maryland, though. The Big Ten won’t expand to just 13 or take Rutgers without the Terrapins. Rutgers is simply the best throw-in. Just as Mizzou was for the SEC when they took Texas A&M.
The money is obvious for Maryland, but they also have a $50 million exit fee to pay the ACC. And it isn’t clear if Maryland really wants to leave the ACC. The money might be too much to pass, but this isn’t the no-brainer of a Big East team fleeing to another conference.
Regarding the ACC exit fee of $50 million. Frank the Tank — who becomes required reading during expansiopocolypse scenarios — makes the salient point.
The $50 million exit fee that the ACC instituted back in September when Notre Dame joined as a non-football member is certainly a deterrent for Maryland to leave, but we have learned in conference realignment that no one has ever turned down a conference upgrade because of an exit fee. These types of exit penalties inevitably get negotiated down to lower figures. At the same time, it’s doubtful that Maryland (whose athletic department is about as solvent as Greece) will have to pay that exit fee out-of-pocket. The Big Ten might front some of that money and deduct an amount from Maryland’s conference earnings for several years. (This is what the Big 12 is doing with West Virginia.) So, $50 million might sound like a lot, but the reality is (1) that number will likely end up being much lower and (2) someone other than Maryland itself is probably going to be paying a lot of that in the beginning.
Paging Kevin Plank. Mr. Plank, please pick up the red and black courtesy phone.
As for what that means for the ACC if Maryland leaves? The assumption would be that UConn would get the call if the ACC wanted to stay at 14/15. But, the ACC could well decide to wait. Keeping at 13/14 means no extra expansion if/when ND finally has to join. And the fact is adding UConn wouldn’t make much of an impression one way or another. Well, other than putting the ACC closer to a configuration of half former Big East refugees.
Best guess, if Maryland leaves for the Big 10, the ACC holds for at least another year or two while UConn does everything it can to throw itself at the conference.
He is selling 1.3 millions shares which currently valued at 65million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Plank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Armour
Yankees are the majority owners of YES network.
or maybe they strake back at big 10 and move into ohio and go for the cinci or ohio university but
i dont think so.
i think it is u conn.
but is this the death of the big east can they go on and if they do who will be there 2 new schools east carolina and who.
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2012/11/13/under-armour-ceo-kevin-plank-selling.html
This is definitely bigger than just college sports. This is Fox taking a shot at ABC/ESPN. Fox, who just happens to own a portion of the Big Ten Network talks the Big Ten into taking a team from the 1 conference where ABC/ESPN own all of the tiered media rights. Fact of the matter is that the Big 10 had no need to make this deal, they already bring in the most TV money and will be able to renegotiate a new deal within the next few years that will more than likely blow the doors off of the deals the Big 12 and PAC 12 just signed as well as the new deal the SEC will eventually sign. There was no need for the Big 12 to make this move right now. They could have sat back and had their pick of schools from the ACC, Big 12 or Big East by just letting everything play out. Instead they end up with Rutgers and MD. The numbers will eventually work in their favor, but a more patient approach could have resulted in even more money for its member schools to split IMHO.
Pitt doesn’t have a stadium that fits 100,000 nor can modify it’s own stadium to expand it to 100,000… which is why it will never qualify for Big10…
Frank,
Big east will lose it’s BCS qualifier if Rutgers, etc moveon… and it will be a mid-major like Conference USA.
UConn has a better shot than Louisville…
due to boys and girls basketball!!!
Minnesota just built a nice on campus stadium, but it only seats around 52K or less.
The Rundown:
Illinois 61K (very rarely plays to capacity)
Indiana 52K (very rarely plays to capacity)
Iowa 70K
Michigan State 75K
Northwestern 47K
Purdue 62K
The others are all over 80K.
So in reality, Heinz’s 65K would be by no means on the bottom end of the Little 11.
What PITT didn’t do was increase the size and revenue of the Little 11 Network since Ped State’s pedophile presence means the Little 11 network is already on cable TV in Western Pa.
Actually Little 11 Football is so far behind the times in football, has the lowest scoring most boring games of any of the Big 5 (Even high scoring Wisconsin got beat by a non-BCS TCU in the Rose Bowl). I’m glad we are going to the much more fun and warmer climes of the ACC.
And basketball is going to be great in the ACC with road trips to some epic places on Tobacco Road. There is nothing remotely epic about Little 11 basketball.
ACC here we coooooommmmmmmeeeeee! 
Make them pay $50 million. There has to be financial consequences for greed.
Beyond that, I’m starting to see the logic in it for UMD:
http://www.testudotimes.com/2012/11/18/3659926/marylands-probably-going-to-the-big-ten-but-why
The problem for Pitt is that it’s not impossible to spin out panic scenarios where the ACC starts to fall apart or diminish sooner rather than later. FSU…Clemson…drip, drip, drip… it’s an every man for himself world now.
Then after all this settles, Pitt has to be concerned about being in the last of the 5×16′s. Is the “fifth conference” the leftovers? Pitt, Cincy, etc. ?
It’s impossible to tell what will happen in the final shakeout but Pitt could be in a bad spot – great school, etc. but relatively rinky-dink FB program these days and decent but not great TV market. Who knows where we will be in 1 or 3 or 5 years?
Rutgers leaving won’t make one iota difference. It’s not like they are some sort of athletic powerhouse. In hoops they were dreadful and this year is an anomaly in football. Nobody in the BIgLeast will even know Buttgers left in basketball, lol Although Pitino did have some fav Italian restaurants in Jersey he’ll miss.
And at places like Cincinnati, don’t think their fan base is much interested in BigLeast football at all, now that the River City Trophy is no longer up for grabs. haha
So I would look for Boise and SDSU to now back out of their agreement to join. Meaning football will have to add teams like ECU, UCF or Memphis.
Interesting position that the ACC faces. UCONN vs. no one vs. WVU (this year is a disaster for WVU with travel, loss of rivals, and performance so don’t rule it out). My guess is that if BC can swallow their pride then UCONN is in. Makes ACC basketball king of the hill so the NC schools would be ecstatic.
BE is officially the MAC, Atlantic 10, conference USA or what ever you want to call it. Look for catholic school to officially go their own way if Rutgers and UCONN bolts. Louisville will end up in B12 along with another ugly step child named Cincinnati. ACC will not take them but it could get interesting if the ACC wants to take a shot at the Midwest territory that is coveted by the B10.
Interesting time. Nice for PITT to have a seat already. Makes for more interesting viewing.
We’re fine dude. As the ACC just inked a 15 year contract with the Orange Bowl and ND, possibly coming off a National Championship this year is a member of the ACC. And I think eventually they’ll be ALL IN (like General Petreaus).lol
PITT has a huge endowment and credible major sports teams, (even with a jackass as AD) and we’re AAU, plus I’m a graduate so they won’t f*ck with us. 
Conference the ACC could add ND as the
14 all in member??
The big difference between bolting for the Big 10 versus the Big 12. Roughly $10 million. That’s why Maryland could have an easier time going that route than FSU looking at Big 12.
You have a good chance at no longer being the perennial cellar dweller.
As far as increasing where the Little 11 can recruit, Ped State already has been recruiting Maryland and Jersey for decades. Which actually could end up hurting the Pedo’s since kids in Jersey & maryland can NOW STAY HOME and yet still play in the Little 11.
So that would be a good thing. Go Twerps !
Glad you’re on our side.
And yeah, the Terp FB program is pretty dismal. I was at the FSU game yesterday and it’s a lot of sitting-on-hands for the few hardy souls that show up. Kinda like Pitt but at least Heinz has nicer seats for us old timers. OTOH Byrd Stadium is actually ON campus.
UMD will probably be a B1G doormat, but you never know.
Just so damn PISSED that I won’t see the Panthers regularly play in College Park.
Maybe I’ll have to retire back to Pgh when the time comes in a few years – wait – no sane person would do that just for Pitt athletics right?
is not a B1G sport.
The ACC would be CRAZY to allow the Terps to keep their lacrosse team in the Conference.
The school that belongs in the ACC from an academic standpoint is Vandy. The obvious problem is that the Nashville TV market is too small. The Commodores have a rising football program and play very competetive basketball.
1 is it U CONN or do we go south fou tulane or do
we try to fuck with big ten and go into ohio for
cenci or ohio university.
2 who does the big east go after east carolina
or do they fold up and go away.
do they go for aau member tulane or just a good sports school like L ville what will the ACC do.
The Big East has already lost its AQ status. They are in a pool with the MAC, MtnWest, Sun Belt, and some other pathetic nobodies for the final BCS bowl spot.
Will it EVER end. Oy vey !
It is about the Benjamins, pure and simple.
Good bye, Terps.
Hello again, Huskies.
academics are important to the ACC so are they still important or do they go for brtter sports schools lake L ville or cenci
or do they stick to threre guns the only thing i see is u conn or tulane
they wont take the outher 2 for same reason they did not take WVU bad academics.
dont rule out tulane it is a auu member and they are loseing one of thoes and they are loseing a southern team maryland and it is cosiderd a southern team.
whoever they take academics will play a part unless they are ready to go agenest what they have all ways belived in.
ND will eventually bring its football program into the ACC. ND knows that it will have to join a conference at some point. It choose the ACC for long-term prospects not short-term. ND will hold out as long as they can however. ND joining the ACC was a slap in the face to the Big Ten and the Big Ten took notice. I think the Big Ten beating its chest publicly about not ever taking on partial members was a bunch of crap. I think the Big Ten’s invites to the likes of Maryland, who is going to need the ACC exit fees fronted by the Big Ten, and Rutgers, who as little as a year ago was begging the Big Ten to let them in only to have the Big Ten thumb their noses at them, points to this.
Funny how that worked out, lol
ND owes us one !
Say the fee gets negotiated down and the past rumors of Clem/FSU to Big 12 and VaTech and GaTech to SEC come true because of the lower exit fee…then what for Pitt?? The only options I could come up with if the wheels start coming off are:
-Beg the BIG for one of the last 2 spots before they reach 16 (not likely).
-Beg the Big 12 for one of the last 2 spots based on the rivalry/travel partner for WVU line of thinking (the other spot going to Lville or Cincy) (I’d say a 50-50 shot since Pitt was once on the Big 12 radar).
Both of those options are lousy. I can say one thing, though, I won’t be buying Under Armour stock knowing the money may not be going toward growing the company.
Losing Maryland is hardly going to be noticed in the ACC. We have Notre Dame now, so I don’t really care who leaves.
Somebody suggested taking MD & RU is an act of desperation by the L1G. And more a reaction to the ACC getting ND, PITT and Cuse. And it really is, since both RU & Mizzou were begging a little over 12 months ago for admission. If RU & Mizzou weren’t good enough then, what makes MD & RU good enough now. What’s different is ND is off the table now for the L1G.
The L1G has a bad national perception for football, and that will only get worse by adding two less than stellar football programs. All this talk about huge football stadiums, both Byrd & the place Butgers plays in seat less than 55K.
And this is going to make the L1G a better conference. No,,,,,it’s going to make even a more laughable conference.
Again this is all based on ppl in NYC & the DC area caring about RU & MD football. And me thinks they don’t. They don’t now and games against Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue and Iowa aren’t going to change that.
Whereas with ND in the ACC, the huge subway alumni of ND in both Jersey, NYC, and even Maryland will watch ND play the ACC teams with much interest. And eventually they will be ALL in, imo. (if that already hasn’t been written into the contract at a future date)
Swofford outmaneuvered Delaney on this one.
Delaney is just trying to save face now.
take a pill and relax man. I mean really.
We don’t have to beg anyone.
And the ACC isn’t going anywhere.
The ACC is a lot more stable than say the Big 12, where TExas and her 3 consorts could leave anytime for the PAC 12. Cause if we go to 16 in a conf. The PAC 12 isn’t coming east and isn’t going into oblivion and the only 4 realistic added options for them are Texas and her consorts.
So how would you like to be stuck in a conf with Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, TCU, Baylor & WVU for eternity ? Saturday nites in Manhattan, no not that one. lol…or the throbbing metropolis of Ames, Iowa or Waco. No thanks.
The BigLeast seems to be on eternal life support.
Doesn’t it ?
I for one hope we never add UCONN to the ACC. It still sticks in my craw that we lose to that shithead FB program year after year….and frankly, we legitimized their prgram by bringing them into the BE. Eff em.
They helped legitimize our basketball program by us beating them several times on National TV and in the BigEast Tournament in the last 10 years.
Next we get Foster & Boyd.
Hail to Pitt!
yea it’s kinda laughable, a little over a year ago, the Little 11 was trying to court BOTH Texas & Notre Dame. As everyone according to them wanted to be a part of their great conf. Well here it is a year later and they got what instead of Texas & Notre Dame……
Maryland and Rutgers. Quite the dropoff isn’t it.
Rutgers brings what the little Dick’s already have in Penn State.
If the Big ten had real powers, they would have gone after Kentucky and Tennessee IMO.
but they don’t so they didn’t.
The ACC should add UCONN. They and Syracuse put a noose around the NY hoops market. ND and PSU take the lions share of the football market there.
Now, some of you may not like it. But taking the West Virginia Community College into the ACC would just kill MD.
The South and not the Rust Belt is where its at.
The acc is strong and stable and the big whatever is acting out of desparation and weakness.
The domers are in the acc and that hurts them.
I think Delaney and the rest of the Big Ten cronies were just so full of themselves. Remember how they acted like they were interested in schools like Missouri and Rutgers only to leave them hanging out to dry in the end. I use to hate ND but I am warming up to them ever since they slapped Delaney in the face.
EXACTLY. I love how ND dissed them. When you read B1G blogs they are so delusional in hoping the ACC somehow implodes so ND would have to come back to them. They have UNC & UVA wanting to be in the Little 11 in some scenarios. Could you ever imagine these southern schools, on Tobacco Road no less, wanting to play in a Northern Conf.
Maryland is one thing, cause it’s more like a Northern State, nobody speaks with accents, but to think real southern schools like Virginia and North Carolina would ever belong to a league NORTH of the Mason-Dixon is really delusional.
But these Big 10′ers can convince themselves of anything in the hopes of still landing Notre Dame.
They only might get Maryland cause they have such a fiscal crisis within the athletic dept. No other reason. And Buttgers well u can’t blame them for not wanting to stay in the BigLeast.
We “had” Notre Dane in the Big East, how did that work out?
you take u conn to replace maryland
you then take L ville and cinci and go to 16 teams before the outhers beat you to it.
if your basketball was number 1 before just think now it is 1A NO ONE COULD TOUCH IT.
and with 16 teams think of the new TV deal.
plus it is done 16 and you got there first and you strangthend foot ball and got a toe hold in big 10 country with cnci from ohio.
plus you stoped outhers from geting L VILLE.
The BigLeast never had a football agreement with ND, so that’s the difference. Plus the BigLeast was really a bunch of former independents who just happened to find themselves in the same conf.
And you had half the league that was basketball only schools who had no concern for the football half.
Whereas the ACC has been a real conf. for over 60 years.
Who’s side are you on anyway ?
Just remember this the B1G is extremely jealous of the ACC landing Notre Dame.
You can only add teams to a league that will increase each schools revenue in today’s reality.
I’m sure the ACC has run the numbers on every possible school that might or might not add additional revenue for everyone. I’m sure you know that already.
If it’s war the ACC should go after Penn State.
Who knows maybe they would want a fresh start in a new conf with some of their old traditional rivals, such as PITT, Syracuse, Boston College and of course they would love playing Notre Dame, Miami and Va Tech as well.
then you can grab Lville for BB and football befor the big 12 does.
and u conn to replace maryland think what they would bring to a allready strong BB .
and if you dont like cinci we could go for USF OR TULANE for there AAU to make up for the loss of there AAU go to 16 before the outhers
beat them to the punch .
the big 12 will grab L ville and u conn is a must
so at least this way we can have some say if we wait all that will be left is teams like east carolina so i say do it now go to 15 and tell ND THEY HAVE TO COME ON BORD IN X AMOUNT OF YEARS OR WE GO TO 16 ACT NOW BEFORE IT IS TO LATE.
They are grasping at straws at Tennessee. The folk I Knoxville got grahamed by the jerk at USC.
Then they hired poorly after that.
Maybe the Vols will hire Steve Pederson. After all, Sal did well at ‘Bama.
but if we want to go to 16 you cant stay east
and that is were it is heading maybe not this year so i say get there first and you can kind of pick your teams from a small pool but beter that than none to pick from.
better that then just takeing what will be left.
and every one is going to expand agein
we should get there first.
we should at least go to 15 and tell ND they have to be on bord in 5 years or we go to 16 with out them.
we go for U CONN and tulane or u conn and L ville
or u conn and cinci or u conn and who ever but we should go to 15 right away.
Given a hypothetical choice right now, between ACC and B1G, if I’m Pitt, I’d go with the B1G. Of course that’s a non-existent choice, and one that will never happen, but unless Swofford has one or more rabbits in his hat, this could turn bad. Sorry if I’m being negative here. H2P.
The ACC is going to be fine. The Big Ten is making a desperate move here reaching for Maryland and Rutgers. Unless the SEC starts poaching the ACC, I don’t think we need to be too concerned at this point. Clemson, FSU and Miami might not be that excited about UConn but I’m sure they were pretty happy about landing ND. I’m sure Swofford will make sure that any possible expansion targets pass the muster of the likes of a Florida State as he has already shown that he will go out of his way to keep the key institutions happy.
“Trading business for airplanes.”
Best line I’ve read or heard in some time.
Forget their 5 game losing streak for a few minutes and think about WVU.
admittedly the Big 12 is more geographically disbursed, but can WVU actually handle the travel costs in money AND time?
Football is not that big of a deal except for the traveling fan. But every other sport is subject to huge per player expenses in cash and time.
Has Maryland traded it’s identity to become a Purdue clone minus the world class engineering degree?
There are a handful of Big Ten students who considered Maryland anyway and they look to PSU.
Revenue generation is rule 1 in any business, but rule 1.5 is profit and rule 2 is brand identity. Ask the people at Hostess and the bankruptcy trustee what I mean.
MD will certainly make more money, but whether they keep it and what happens to their brand is highly questionable.
It is no skin off Pitt’s back, but were I the ACC, I would set my sights on both PSU and WVU now.
is not leaveing big 12.
so what must be done is to see who you want from big east and from outher lesser conference and make your move to get them.
not waste time on something that will never happen
and eveyone will go to 16 now so beat them to the punch.
we should have went to 16 last time but we did not to get ND so go to 15 now and tell ND they have x amount of years to come in all sports or we move on with out them.
I am not a fan of mediocrity and Big East leftovers are mediocre at best.
WVU will jump at the first chance…you think Oliver Luck doesn’t blow with the prevailing breeze? I do.
PSU is certainly shooting for the stars, but if you don’t ask, you’ll never know.
what are your thoughts should we go to 15 and tell ND they have x amount of time to come on bord with football or stay at 14 with u conn.
so why would they go thru that to go to ACC WERE THEY MAKE LESS MONEY
My first reaction is sad. Was looking forward for Pitt and Maryland to become rivals in football and hoops. We played them in the 70′s, often wondered why we didn’t play them more, because of location.
It’s a done deal though, so, time to move on.
It is a pipe dream Frank, but, I agree with SFPITT, you have to at least ask Penn. State.
Will probably never happen, I agree. However, if you google “Penn State to the ACC”, there are allready articles on it. Pennlive is actually advocating it. The responses are about 50/50, some saying never happen, some wishing it would to rekindle old rivalries, better road trips and the old “we’ve always been a Big 10 step child”.
I don’t know, maybe with everything going on up there and all of the changes, maybe this would be a sign, especially since the ACC is the one better academic conference than the Big 10.
Ya, pipe dream, gotta send some feelers out though.
Who else, UCONN and Louisville, the usual suspects. Nothing sexy there, but might have to do.
I pontificated on this for the past year, but, I really wish the ACC would have pressured ND to be all in.
Obviously, I am no fly on the wall, but, when reading everything, putting everything together, there was no way ND was ever going to the Big 10, to just be one of 12 mid west schools.
ND to the Big 12, even for all sports except basketball, there was no way in hell that was ever gonna happen. When you take a step back, and look at it again, it is even more obvious. Notre Dame soccer and volleyball to Lubbock and Waco??? No effin’ way ever.
I just think Swofford should have walked away and let ND stew. Yep, football great again right now. Money, schmoney, ND people care about academics and they also care about their olympic sports. They were not gonna leave them in the Big East to wallow in the wind. They desperately needed a place for their olympic sports.
I don’t know, who else is out there??? I think the ACC needs to take their time, before just yanking out the welcome card to UCONN or Louisville.
Your going to have your pick of the remnants of the Big 12 after Texas + 3 leave for the PAC 12 if we EVER go to 16.
What the Little 11 just did was say they now admit to themselves they will NEVER get Texas & Notre Dame. Which is all their blowhardedness (is that a word, lol) they had the audacity to think these two behemoths were interested.
Don’t see that ever happening. Now somebody like Vanderbilt would fit in to the ACC, cause they certainly don’t fit into the SEC.
And they have a very good hoops program (don’t we know) and an up & coming football program under 1rst year coach James Franklin who just clobbered Tennessee.
ask peen state cant hurt but it isent going to happen this is all abought money and you dont leave 24 million fot 17 million and when the big ten move is going to make it more then then 24 million. just so you can play pitt no way that happens.
but i still think we should go for who we can get out of a small pool of teams before the outhers
get there pick of the small pool .
Just sayin!!! LOL Can’t believe we’re doing this again. Thought there was going to be a 3 or 5 year window of calm!!!
outher conferences will panic and start moveing to 16 teams.
and there are only abought 5 teams that are good enough to have and if we wait the outhers will grab them up like the big 10 is doeing now.
so i would like the ACC to grab what they think is the best 2 i think U CONN and L vill my self
but that is just my thought.
that would give us 15 and save a place for ND.
They will have to start thinking about it though, because once Md. leaves, they will need a team for scheduling and division balance.
Isn’t there anyone else out there, we haven’t thought about, someone sexier than Big East re-treads!!!
Yes, I am being selfish. Pitt and ‘Cuse got in, too bad!!! LOL
1) Do nothing
2) Add one more school to get to 14 fb schools (UCONN or UL are the obvious left overs)
3) Make a bold move and go to 16 and take the remaining viable schools off the board (You know that FSU is leaving for the B12 and UL is waiting)
Likely candidates are are UCONN, UL, and UC.
ACC will be fine. No worries for PITT. Would have taken a B10 invite but if they don’t want us then no time to sit around looking at that horse. I for one am happy with the ACC invite.
and if Rutgers goes… double ouch…
Rutgers and UConn were odds on favorite for expansion with Rutgers being 1st choice.
Clearly ACC will go after UConn… they have no other choice and UConn was begging the ACC to take them but BC blocked them.
ACC can’t go to Notre Dame and say “all in”… ND tooo powerful…
Question… how much does Big10 schools get versus ACC…
I thought the difference was only 5million/yr… but the issue is Big10 is up for renewal and ACC just renewed.
Nashville would also be a nice road trip, we could wear our country-western duds that weekend.
Welcome back Dan-o
Hi Frankie
Pitt fan in Atlanta
Always will be !
Dan is right. You get PSU the money skyrockets which is why WVU would leave.
Revenue is one thing, Profit is another and the lower expenses for WVU (assuming the ACC would take a junior college) and the higher figure you get with PSU makes up the difference.
If you only make one move here, you will do what PENNDOT did with the Fort Pitt tunnels: design them for the day they opened and not for anything after that.
Don’t misunderstand me….I don’t see where the Big ten improved competitively…they have not…they just gor Purdue in football and Iowa in basketball…but they do have a TV footprint that enhances a market they already penetrated.
If this is about TV sets, then go to the TV sets.
Don’t be surprised if ACC goes after Vandy!!!
Split the teams between Pac12 and SEC…
and WVU may be on the outside looking in!!
There you go, by two’s they go as if entering Noah’s Ark. 2 to the ACC, 2 to the SEC and 2 to the Little 11. Everything is solved.
ACC has 14 with ND as Football member so they only need 2 to get to 16.
L-Ville & Cincy go back to C-USA from wince they came. As does USF. And Temple goes back to the MAC along with Uconn. There they can finally develop a real rivalry with Umass. Ta dah.
See Emel solved everything
Yeah Maryland just went from being the red headed step child to North Carolina and Duke to a similar position to Ohio State and Michigan.
I wonder if the SEC would trade Vandy for FSU. That way the SEC could do away with all pretense that college sports has anything to do with academics.
Good riddance. Have fun getting steamrolled playing 1950′s football in the asshole of America.
when you think of a team you have to think of a team that will really come not pipe dreams.
go to rivals and look at there list of div 1 teams
then you will see who you can pick from not that many that is why you go with u conn for BB and
L VILLE FOR bb and FOOTBALL OR TULANE BECUSE THEY ARE A AAU SCHOOL for academics there are not more then 5 or 6 good schools to pick from.
who would really come forget schools in big 10 or big 12 or sec or pac 10 once you do that youwill see there are not that many to pick from forget the pipe dreams try to keep it real we are the 5th
best conference mony wise so be real.
The ACC will pick up Louisville or UConn, both of whom are huge academic and athletic upgrades. Maryland is buttawful both academically and athletically.
By spring no one will even remember the embarrassing burst of Chicken Little-ism that was the reaction of far too many to the worst university in the ACC leaving.
It’s just ridiculous. The ACC is not going to be around for a year or two, it’s going to be around for a long, long time. The Big Ten just added a steaming dumpster to its conference and people are saying that its the end of the world for the ACC?
u conn cinci and SF and that ACC might take 2 teams not just one like i said give us a total of
15
So does anyone other than Uconn to replace Maryland make sense ?
The big 50K watt talker radio station in the middle of ACC country is reporting that Uconn is the one !
That is how ridiculous these Little 11 ppl think in regards to their overrated, archaic conference.
Like Notre Dame in their own backyard, none of these other ACC teams need the Little 11 to rescue them financially. And like Notre Dame these schools would thumb their noses at the Little 11.
also ACC looking at L ville as well as u conn.
that ACC is in talks with 4 schools cenci and SF
also.
now ask yourself this can big east go on with the loss of 2 scools or the loss of 3 or is it dead.
Coach K does:
Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense.
Take a read: http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/39508/sources-schools-may-rejoin-mwc
ACC is the best academic conference as of 2011 rankings:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/867510-college-football-power-rankings-the-best-bcs-conferences-based-on-academics/page/8
We need to get over this self-doubting Bullshit.
Having lived in an area where I have to sell PITT , I have no doubts. You need to quit listening to the haters of PITT, which amounts to 50% of Pittsburgh and most of the media up there.
Stand tall my brothers and be proud. PITT is IT !
Veritas et Virtus !
Pitt IS a great university. I’ve lived a successful life in large part due to my Pitt degrees, even though I haven’t lived in Pgh for 30 years. I love Pitt.
And the ACC move was great at the time. It’s just that things are changing every 5 minutes now. That doesn’t mean the move was a mistake.
There will be, IMO, 4 super conferences with 16 teams each eventually, give or take, and one “leftover” – probably the ACC, since it is the weakest in football (which is the revenue engine of it all).
And that’s where Pitt will be, in a conference of mostly basketball schools that dabble in football. It’s not the end of the world. Many great schools will be there, including Pitt. But make no mistake, it will be a second fiddle conference.
THE ACC will be one of the 4 Superconferences.
Why do I say this, one only need look out west to the current PAC 12. They only can get to 16 by adding Texas plus her 3 consorts (Ok, OSU & TT).
So that means the BIg 12 (10 now) will be history.
If you figure out how the PAC 12 gets to 16 without Texas please let me know.
Hail to PITT.
Wherever we’ll be it will be a Great Conference.
I’ll have to admit I hadn’t considered that about the PAC 12. Thanks – that makes me feel a bit better. I think I’ll have a little libation – as Myron used to put it – and relax.
Hail to Pitt indeed.
Folks…Maryland left the ACC, not the Union. They are broke and they’re desperate.
Routers is leaving the Big East: who wouldn’t?
Conferences are looking to distribute their own products. Like Cambpells buying soup kitchens.
The real entity in trouble is ESPN. It is their distribution network that is being attacked.
ND essentially distributes it’s own sports. The ACC needs to think ahead and create ACCTV or whatever it is they want to call it.
Add a team near New York, finance the damn thing and pray your not for profit status does nor get challenged.
If I am stategizing for ESPN, that is where I set my sights.
Pitt is just fine but the real dollars are not in the Marylands of the world, they are in distributing your own product.
That way, you don’t have to pay ESPN an access fee.
My guess is that
1) they add UCONN immediately (easy decision)
2) they consider adding Louisville and possibly Cincinnati
ACC WILL BE THE FIRST CONFERENCE TO GO TO 16 giving the nod to everyone else to do the same. The B12 will be going after Lousiville (and possible Boise State) as they are not going to be left without additions. The real question is who gets to Lousville first (ACC or B12).
Next question will be doest the PAC 12 go to 16? (Texas, TTech, Oklahoma, Ok ST). If they do then the Big Whatever will reassess. The problem is that the Big Whatever is running out of choices of AAU schools in contiguous states.
The ACC will be fine. I will say that when Coach K shares concern then Swofford and the NC guys will listen. There next move will be more reactionary than anything. Reacting to the Big Whatever move and reacting to Coach K’s concern.
But yes, it’s a long shot, but ND could help.
Add USF (orlando), Louisville or Cincinnati. Throw in UCONN for a pseudo-NY market. This takes you to 16 + ND. Travel become easier for everyone as you go to North and South divisions.
Let’s be real about this. It isn’t about academics. Its about TV markets and TV appeal. UCONN gets in because of BBall. Louisville because of FBall and USF because of…well… Orlando.
President/CEO of Underarmour sold some stock…
UMaryland alum…
he may subsidizes the move to Big10…
but I don’t see Maryland paying for it as they have been cutting sports programs since it is not a cost neutral program overall.