November 18, 2012

I am starting to think that expansiopocolypse won’t end until we have a “conference” of 64 teams, divided into 5 divisions and each division bifurcated into two sections.

The latest shots fired come from the Big 10, in what can only be considered to be their biggest “all about the money” move in this never-ending program shifting.

The University of Maryland is in serious negotiations to join the Big Ten Conference, sources told ESPN on Saturday.

If Maryland goes from the ACC to the Big Ten, Rutgers of the Big East is expected to follow suit. The addition of Maryland and Rutgers would give the Big Ten 14 members as the league gears toward negotiations on a new media rights deal when its first-tier rights expire in 2017.

No date has been set for a potential announcement, though it could come as soon as Monday. The Maryland board of regents will meet at 9 a.m. Monday morning to decide on the move, a source with direct knowledge told Sunday morning.

But there is not a consensus among athletic department officials. The source said the school is leaning toward the move but there is still time for the school to decide to stay in the ACC.

Except the biggest homers for Maryland and Rutgers — no one is pretending that this possibility is about anything other than money. Specifically, the Big Ten Network (BTN).

There can be speculation about how the move by ND to partial membership to the ACC spooked Jim Delaney and the Big 10, but the most that did was make it clear to the Big 10 powers that even considering waiting for ND is finished. This is all and completely a money play.

There is no perfect answer but Rutgers and Maryland do bring TV sets for the Big Ten Network to be placed on basic cable tiers, and thus generate millions in additional revenue. The states should also provide fresh recruiting ground for current members to fan out and potentially improve their rosters.

It certainly isn’t to immediately bolster football credibility.

Still, the money from potentially being able to jam the Big Ten Network into the home of every cable subscriber in each state (combined population: 14.6 million), is significant. It also allows the league to extend some reach into major Eastern media markets such as Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and even New York City. That said, the Big Ten added the Terrapins and Scarlet Knights, not the Giants, Jets, Eagles, Ravens and Redskins. College football just isn’t that big of a deal.

The Maryland addition to the Big 10 has long been a speculated possibility. Rutgers was half-hearted, with the whole New York City market fools gold. Yet, there may be a just as enticing subplot that makes Rutgers a more logical addition — in terms of money: Fox.

Fox holds a partial ownership stake in BTN. They are also looking to take an interest in a very important cable channel in New York and New Jersey.

News Corp is expected to announce this week that it has taken a minority stake in the YES Network, a New York-based sports channel that broadcasts Yankee baseball and Nets basketball games. The deal could be announced as early as Friday, according to a person with knowledge of the transaction.

The deal would expand News Corp’s network of 13 Fox regional sports channels and four other channels in which it is affiliated. Those channels have 67 million subscribers in Los Angeles, Houston and other cities.

The YES network is available in approximately 15 million homes.

The deal would allow YES to raise the $2.99 monthly fee per subscriber it currently charges cable and satellite operators to carry the channel, said the person. News Corp could negotiate on its behalf with the operators as part of a larger package of sports channels.

[Emphasis added.]

Bundling is so very important. On its own, BTN would have a hard time getting a deal in New Jersey and especially New York City. But as part of a sports bundle that includes the New York Yankees network? Suddenly the BTN money train takes a huge jump.

The interesting thing is that the Big 10 is apparently given up most pretenses of anything but money with this move. Yes, both Rutgers and Maryland hold the nice AAU membership in addition to being good schools. But there is nothing competitively attractive about adding these teams. Unlike their past flirtations and words. Somewhere in Columbia, Missouri a chancellor is kicking his wall.

The domino is Maryland, though. The Big Ten won’t expand to just 13 or take Rutgers without the Terrapins. Rutgers is simply the best throw-in. Just as Mizzou was for the SEC when they took Texas A&M.

The money is obvious for Maryland, but they also have a $50 million exit fee to pay the ACC. And it isn’t clear if Maryland really wants to leave the ACC. The money might be too much to pass, but this isn’t the no-brainer of a Big East team fleeing to another conference.

Regarding the ACC exit fee of $50 million. Frank the Tank — who becomes required reading during expansiopocolypse scenarios — makes the salient point.

The $50 million exit fee that the ACC instituted back in September when Notre Dame joined as a non-football member is certainly a deterrent for Maryland to leave, but we have learned in conference realignment that no one has ever turned down a conference upgrade because of an exit fee.  These types of exit penalties inevitably get negotiated down to lower figures.  At the same time, it’s doubtful that Maryland (whose athletic department is about as solvent as Greece) will have to pay that exit fee out-of-pocket.  The Big Ten might front some of that money and deduct an amount from Maryland’s conference earnings for several years.  (This is what the Big 12 is doing with West Virginia.)  So, $50 million might sound like a lot, but the reality is (1) that number will likely end up being much lower and (2) someone other than Maryland itself is probably going to be paying a lot of that in the beginning.

Paging Kevin Plank. Mr. Plank, please pick up the red and black courtesy phone.

As for what that means for the ACC if Maryland leaves? The assumption would be that UConn would get the call if the ACC wanted to stay at 14/15. But, the ACC could well decide to wait. Keeping at 13/14 means no extra expansion if/when ND finally has to join. And the fact is adding UConn wouldn’t make much of an impression one way or another. Well, other than putting the ACC closer to a configuration of half former Big East refugees.

Best guess, if Maryland leaves for the Big 10, the ACC holds for at least another year or two while UConn does everything it can to throw itself at the conference.

Rumor has it….
President/CEO of Underarmour sold some stock…
UMaryland alum…
he may subsidizes the move to Big10…
but I don’t see Maryland paying for it as they have been cutting sports programs since it is not a cost neutral program overall.

Comment by Joe D 11.18.12 @ 11:47 am

See link to bio of Kevin Plank.
He is selling 1.3 millions shares which currently valued at 65million.

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Yankees are the majority owners of YES network.

Comment by Joe D 11.18.12 @ 11:57 am

no they will look weak if they wait they will go after u conn or go south with tulane after all tulane is a aau member.
or maybe they strake back at big 10 and move into ohio and go for the cinci or ohio university but
i dont think so.
i think it is u conn.

but is this the death of the big east can they go on and if they do who will be there 2 new schools east carolina and who.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 11:59 am

Just curious. What was the reason again for Pitt not going Big Ten instead of ACC?

Comment by PittofDreams 11.18.12 @ 12:07 pm

It is critical that the ACC fights tooth and nail to collect that $50M. If that exit fee becomes meaningless, FSU is gone as well and panic will set in.

Comment by Chris 11.18.12 @ 12:08 pm

PittofDreams, it was money. No new TV sets.

Comment by Chris 11.18.12 @ 12:09 pm

Kevin Plank plans to sell about 1.3 million shares of Under Armour over a 10 month period beginning in February. At today’s share price it works out to around $64 million. Here’s a link:

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This is definitely bigger than just college sports. This is Fox taking a shot at ABC/ESPN. Fox, who just happens to own a portion of the Big Ten Network talks the Big Ten into taking a team from the 1 conference where ABC/ESPN own all of the tiered media rights. Fact of the matter is that the Big 10 had no need to make this deal, they already bring in the most TV money and will be able to renegotiate a new deal within the next few years that will more than likely blow the doors off of the deals the Big 12 and PAC 12 just signed as well as the new deal the SEC will eventually sign. There was no need for the Big 12 to make this move right now. They could have sat back and had their pick of schools from the ACC, Big 12 or Big East by just letting everything play out. Instead they end up with Rutgers and MD. The numbers will eventually work in their favor, but a more patient approach could have resulted in even more money for its member schools to split IMHO.

Comment by Former Oak Hill Resident 11.18.12 @ 12:10 pm

Pitt doesn’t have a stadium that fits 100,000 nor can modify it’s own stadium to expand it to 100,000… which is why it will never qualify for Big10…
Big east will lose it’s BCS qualifier if Rutgers, etc moveon… and it will be a mid-major like Conference USA.

Comment by Joe D 11.18.12 @ 12:12 pm

I was hoping md would build a rivalry with Pitt because of the proximity to Pitt but from a big picture standpoint who cares. Md is awful at football. I prefer Louisville ove uconn for a replacement but apparently academics could play a part. I don’t know why when all of these realignments are about $.

Comment by KRF 11.18.12 @ 12:14 pm

UConn has a better shot than Louisville…
due to boys and girls basketball!!!

Comment by Joe D 11.18.12 @ 12:16 pm

Total desperation move on the part of the Big Ten. Changing demographics will weaken the Big Ten product and its recruiting base over time. This move shows that the Big Ten isn’t as strong as perceived. I think the Big Ten is feeling threatened by the ACC with its recent expansion of Pitt, ND and Syracuse. I also think the ACC should consider Louisville in any future expansion plans. Don’t rule out adding only basketball members such as St. John’s, Georgetown and Villanova either. Although this will be frowned upon as Big East II, difference would be that these few non-football conference members will not yield any power in the ACC. This will all but guarantee the ACC as king of basketball and shore up the best basketball recruiting base.

Comment by Floyd 11.18.12 @ 12:42 pm

Come on girls basketball joe d? They play zero part in this and men’s basketball is about 1percent. It’s all about football and how many tv households u have in your region.

Comment by KRF 11.18.12 @ 12:46 pm

Just hope if md does leave ACC gets the full 50 million so Clemson and fsu don’t bolt for big 12. At least its a deterrent.

Comment by KRF 11.18.12 @ 12:49 pm

Don’t think the stadium size has anything to do with PITT not getting into the BIg 10. As Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and several others don’t come close to 100 K stadiums.

Minnesota just built a nice on campus stadium, but it only seats around 52K or less.
The Rundown:

Illinois 61K (very rarely plays to capacity)
Indiana 52K (very rarely plays to capacity)
Iowa 70K
Michigan State 75K
Northwestern 47K
Purdue 62K

The others are all over 80K.

So in reality, Heinz’s 65K would be by no means on the bottom end of the Little 11.

What PITT didn’t do was increase the size and revenue of the Little 11 Network since Ped State’s pedophile presence means the Little 11 network is already on cable TV in Western Pa.

Actually Little 11 Football is so far behind the times in football, has the lowest scoring most boring games of any of the Big 5 (Even high scoring Wisconsin got beat by a non-BCS TCU in the Rose Bowl). I’m glad we are going to the much more fun and warmer climes of the ACC.

And basketball is going to be great in the ACC with road trips to some epic places on Tobacco Road. There is nothing remotely epic about Little 11 basketball.

ACC here we coooooommmmmmmeeeeee! :-)

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 1:10 pm

Both Buttgers & Maryland football will fit right in with Little 11 football…Yawn !

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 1:13 pm

I’m not a lawyer, but if the ACC agreed to a $50 million dollar exit fee, why on earth would they allow it to be negotiated down? Pitt and Syracuse both payed more than the $5 million they owed to get out early, so the premise the fees always get trimmed is false.

Make them pay $50 million. There has to be financial consequences for greed.

Comment by Denny 11.18.12 @ 1:19 pm

Since I live in College Park, I’m sad about the loss of Pitt-UMD.

Beyond that, I’m starting to see the logic in it for UMD:

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The problem for Pitt is that it’s not impossible to spin out panic scenarios where the ACC starts to fall apart or diminish sooner rather than later. FSU…Clemson…drip, drip, drip… it’s an every man for himself world now.

Then after all this settles, Pitt has to be concerned about being in the last of the 5×16’s. Is the “fifth conference” the leftovers? Pitt, Cincy, etc. ?

It’s impossible to tell what will happen in the final shakeout but Pitt could be in a bad spot – great school, etc. but relatively rinky-dink FB program these days and decent but not great TV market. Who knows where we will be in 1 or 3 or 5 years?

Comment by BATR 11.18.12 @ 1:21 pm

Since they’re going to this ‘Gang of 5′ and the highest rated team of the 5 lower tiered conferences including the BIgLeast, gets a bid to one of the Qualifying Top Bowl Games. Boise State and San Diego State have no reason to come east now. And would be foolish if they just don’t stay in the Mountain West. Same thing with Houston and whoever.

Rutgers leaving won’t make one iota difference. It’s not like they are some sort of athletic powerhouse. In hoops they were dreadful and this year is an anomaly in football. Nobody in the BIgLeast will even know Buttgers left in basketball, lol :-) Although Pitino did have some fav Italian restaurants in Jersey he’ll miss.

And at places like Cincinnati, don’t think their fan base is much interested in BigLeast football at all, now that the River City Trophy is no longer up for grabs. haha

So I would look for Boise and SDSU to now back out of their agreement to join. Meaning football will have to add teams like ECU, UCF or Memphis.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 1:23 pm

Maryland is gone. You don’t announce that you are in discussions if the details are not worked out. Someone did a head count of the Maryland Board of Reagent and knows that they have the votes. Rutgers gets brought along as the ugly step child that must come with the new marriage. Good for RU. Will not help their programs performance but they will have more bling for it.

Interesting position that the ACC faces. UCONN vs. no one vs. WVU (this year is a disaster for WVU with travel, loss of rivals, and performance so don’t rule it out). My guess is that if BC can swallow their pride then UCONN is in. Makes ACC basketball king of the hill so the NC schools would be ecstatic.

BE is officially the MAC, Atlantic 10, conference USA or what ever you want to call it. Look for catholic school to officially go their own way if Rutgers and UCONN bolts. Louisville will end up in B12 along with another ugly step child named Cincinnati. ACC will not take them but it could get interesting if the ACC wants to take a shot at the Midwest territory that is coveted by the B10.

Interesting time. Nice for PITT to have a seat already. Makes for more interesting viewing.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.18.12 @ 1:25 pm


We’re fine dude. As the ACC just inked a 15 year contract with the Orange Bowl and ND, possibly coming off a National Championship this year is a member of the ACC. And I think eventually they’ll be ALL IN (like General Petreaus).lol

PITT has a huge endowment and credible major sports teams, (even with a jackass as AD) and we’re AAU, plus I’m a graduate so they won’t f*ck with us. 😉

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 1:28 pm

If MD and Rutgers join the Big Whatever
Conference the ACC could add ND as the
14 all in member??

Comment by JR 11.18.12 @ 1:29 pm

Since the ACC is already in the half in, half out situation, why not bring in GT, Nova and St. John’s along with UCONN? If they’re outnumbered 14-4 they couldn’t possibly be as much a pain in the ass as in the BE.

Comment by Chris 11.18.12 @ 1:35 pm

I think Maryland will accept if it can get the money lined up for a buyout. As for the amount, I still think they will have to pay the $50 mill — or really, really close to it. The ACC can’t afford to negotiate it down. Not with FSU and Clemson still keeping an eye on things in the Big 12.

The big difference between bolting for the Big 10 versus the Big 12. Roughly $10 million. That’s why Maryland could have an easier time going that route than FSU looking at Big 12.

Comment by Chas 11.18.12 @ 1:37 pm

Hey on the bright side if your say Indiana football.
You have a good chance at no longer being the perennial cellar dweller.

As far as increasing where the Little 11 can recruit, Ped State already has been recruiting Maryland and Jersey for decades. Which actually could end up hurting the Pedo’s since kids in Jersey & maryland can NOW STAY HOME and yet still play in the Little 11.

So that would be a good thing. Go Twerps !

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 1:39 pm

@ Chris,..GT is already in the ACC. lol

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 1:47 pm


Glad you’re on our side. :-)

And yeah, the Terp FB program is pretty dismal. I was at the FSU game yesterday and it’s a lot of sitting-on-hands for the few hardy souls that show up. Kinda like Pitt but at least Heinz has nicer seats for us old timers. OTOH Byrd Stadium is actually ON campus.

UMD will probably be a B1G doormat, but you never know.

Just so damn PISSED that I won’t see the Panthers regularly play in College Park.

Maybe I’ll have to retire back to Pgh when the time comes in a few years – wait – no sane person would do that just for Pitt athletics right? :-)

Comment by BATR 11.18.12 @ 1:47 pm

LOL Maryland’s only premier sports team……lacrosse has just been dumped on the garbage heap. I could be wrong, however, lacrosse
is not a B1G sport.

The ACC would be CRAZY to allow the Terps to keep their lacrosse team in the Conference.

Comment by isnore 11.18.12 @ 1:54 pm

UConn is not a member of the AAU….a very strongly desired requirement of the ACC.

The school that belongs in the ACC from an academic standpoint is Vandy. The obvious problem is that the Nashville TV market is too small. The Commodores have a rising football program and play very competetive basketball.

Comment by isnore 11.18.12 @ 1:58 pm

ok you have goining all around the tree but you have missed the point so once agein,
1 is it U CONN or do we go south fou tulane or do
we try to fuck with big ten and go into ohio for
cenci or ohio university.
2 who does the big east go after east carolina
or do they fold up and go away.
do they go for aau member tulane or just a good sports school like L ville what will the ACC do.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 2:04 pm

Chris, I’m sorry but you dont know what you’re talking about. The ACC would never do that, ever. And if they did, then we moved to the wrong conference because Marinatto should just be running the conference if that is the case.

Comment by Timmeh 11.18.12 @ 2:06 pm

Joe D,

The Big East has already lost its AQ status. They are in a pool with the MAC, MtnWest, Sun Belt, and some other pathetic nobodies for the final BCS bowl spot.

Comment by Chuck Morris 11.18.12 @ 2:06 pm

I’m guessing u mean the pathetic nobodies of the WAC and C-USA. (hey but didn’t we lose to one of them in our last 4rth tier bowl game? never mind)

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 2:31 pm

Expansionapocalypse…the gift that keeps on giving.

Will it EVER end. Oy vey !

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 2:42 pm

It is not about AAU status or stadium size or academics.
It is about the Benjamins, pure and simple.
Good bye, Terps.
Hello again, Huskies.

Comment by Gas 11.18.12 @ 2:44 pm

But will U CONN still be a bb power now that they have lost there coach and if not does the ACC still want them.

academics are important to the ACC so are they still important or do they go for brtter sports schools lake L ville or cenci

or do they stick to threre guns the only thing i see is u conn or tulane
they wont take the outher 2 for same reason they did not take WVU bad academics.

dont rule out tulane it is a auu member and they are loseing one of thoes and they are loseing a southern team maryland and it is cosiderd a southern team.
whoever they take academics will play a part unless they are ready to go agenest what they have all ways belived in.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 2:45 pm

There are no good all around replacements. Uconn, Louisville, Navy? Losing Maryland by itself is not a big loss other than the tv sets it holds. ND will stay with the ACC until they are forced to jump. I dont see them ever joining full status. The only way the ACC can stabilize is by fixing the espn contract and instituting the grant of rights from all schools. The big 12 was able to do it and they are set for a long time now.

Comment by pittfan6 11.18.12 @ 3:14 pm

ND will eventually bring its football program into the ACC. ND knows that it will have to join a conference at some point. It choose the ACC for long-term prospects not short-term. ND will hold out as long as they can however. ND joining the ACC was a slap in the face to the Big Ten and the Big Ten took notice. I think the Big Ten beating its chest publicly about not ever taking on partial members was a bunch of crap. I think the Big Ten’s invites to the likes of Maryland, who is going to need the ACC exit fees fronted by the Big Ten, and Rutgers, who as little as a year ago was begging the Big Ten to let them in only to have the Big Ten thumb their noses at them, points to this.

Comment by Floyd 11.18.12 @ 3:39 pm

And we’re back to ND & Alabama in the NC game.

Funny how that worked out, lol

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 4:33 pm

Amazing in itself , our beloved 4-6 PITT Panthers took the #1 team in America to 3 OT’s before succumbing.

ND owes us one !

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 4:36 pm

Swofford BETTER hold UMd to the 50mil exit fee or else this ship will start sinking fast…and that’s a potential that really scares the hell out of me.

Say the fee gets negotiated down and the past rumors of Clem/FSU to Big 12 and VaTech and GaTech to SEC come true because of the lower exit fee…then what for Pitt?? The only options I could come up with if the wheels start coming off are:

-Beg the BIG for one of the last 2 spots before they reach 16 (not likely).
-Beg the Big 12 for one of the last 2 spots based on the rivalry/travel partner for WVU line of thinking (the other spot going to Lville or Cincy) (I’d say a 50-50 shot since Pitt was once on the Big 12 radar).

Both of those options are lousy. I can say one thing, though, I won’t be buying Under Armour stock knowing the money may not be going toward growing the company.

Comment by upittman 11.18.12 @ 4:47 pm

Was reading the Frank the Tank blog. I think they’re all smoking crack over there, they think UNC or UVA would go to the Little 11 if invited.

Losing Maryland is hardly going to be noticed in the ACC. We have Notre Dame now, so I don’t really care who leaves.

Somebody suggested taking MD & RU is an act of desperation by the L1G. And more a reaction to the ACC getting ND, PITT and Cuse. And it really is, since both RU & Mizzou were begging a little over 12 months ago for admission. If RU & Mizzou weren’t good enough then, what makes MD & RU good enough now. What’s different is ND is off the table now for the L1G.

The L1G has a bad national perception for football, and that will only get worse by adding two less than stellar football programs. All this talk about huge football stadiums, both Byrd & the place Butgers plays in seat less than 55K.
And this is going to make the L1G a better conference. No,,,,,it’s going to make even a more laughable conference.

Again this is all based on ppl in NYC & the DC area caring about RU & MD football. And me thinks they don’t. They don’t now and games against Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue and Iowa aren’t going to change that.

Whereas with ND in the ACC, the huge subway alumni of ND in both Jersey, NYC, and even Maryland will watch ND play the ACC teams with much interest. And eventually they will be ALL in, imo. (if that already hasn’t been written into the contract at a future date)

Swofford outmaneuvered Delaney on this one.
Delaney is just trying to save face now.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 5:56 pm

is this the death of the big east.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 6:05 pm


take a pill and relax man. I mean really.
We don’t have to beg anyone.

And the ACC isn’t going anywhere.
The ACC is a lot more stable than say the Big 12, where TExas and her 3 consorts could leave anytime for the PAC 12. Cause if we go to 16 in a conf. The PAC 12 isn’t coming east and isn’t going into oblivion and the only 4 realistic added options for them are Texas and her consorts.

So how would you like to be stuck in a conf with Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, TCU, Baylor & WVU for eternity ? Saturday nites in Manhattan, no not that one. lol…or the throbbing metropolis of Ames, Iowa or Waco. No thanks.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 6:06 pm

lol @ FRankcan

The BigLeast seems to be on eternal life support.
Doesn’t it ? :-)

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 6:10 pm

Considering our recruiting aspirations for Delmarva…gotta believe selling a prospect on Pitt and the ACC will be much easier than NJ, Happy Valley and GOd’s country in Iowa.

I for one hope we never add UCONN to the ACC. It still sticks in my craw that we lose to that shithead FB program year after year….and frankly, we legitimized their prgram by bringing them into the BE. Eff em.

Comment by PaulyP 11.18.12 @ 6:34 pm

lol PaulyP, it’s sort of a 2 way street.

They helped legitimize our basketball program by us beating them several times on National TV and in the BigEast Tournament in the last 10 years.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 7:11 pm


Comment by Timmeh 11.18.12 @ 7:11 pm

Dorian Johnson verbals to pitt

Comment by Wd 11.18.12 @ 7:16 pm

Alright that’s great, he’s like rated a Top 10 lineman in the country.

Next we get Foster & Boyd.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 7:23 pm

Think DJ will redshirt?

Comment by Timmeh 11.18.12 @ 7:35 pm

awesome news..hopefully foster next..HTP

Comment by rhyno527 11.18.12 @ 7:35 pm

Emel you are dead on that Swofford outmaneuvered Delaney on ND. Delaney is doing nothing more than damage control. As Emel noted above, ND brings alot of tv sets in the NY and NJ area. Maryland means so much more to the Big Ten then to the ACC right now especially with the Big Ten’s current most eastern team suffering a huge PR nightmare right now.

Comment by Floyd 11.18.12 @ 7:36 pm

wow actually he’s rated the #2 O-lineman in the COUNTRY. Congrats to PC & Chris Haering for landing a whale.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 7:45 pm


yea it’s kinda laughable, a little over a year ago, the Little 11 was trying to court BOTH Texas & Notre Dame. As everyone according to them wanted to be a part of their great conf. Well here it is a year later and they got what instead of Texas & Notre Dame……

Maryland and Rutgers. Quite the dropoff isn’t it.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 7:58 pm

Colorado joined the Pacific conference. Maryland joining the Big Ten, little Dick’s is in the same category. Scooby snacks for OSU and Michigan in football.
Rutgers brings what the little Dick’s already have in Penn State.
If the Big ten had real powers, they would have gone after Kentucky and Tennessee IMO.
but they don’t so they didn’t.
The ACC should add UCONN. They and Syracuse put a noose around the NY hoops market. ND and PSU take the lions share of the football market there.
Now, some of you may not like it. But taking the West Virginia Community College into the ACC would just kill MD.

Comment by SFPitt 11.18.12 @ 8:04 pm

Good for md and butgers. Welcome uconn.

The South and not the Rust Belt is where its at.

The acc is strong and stable and the big whatever is acting out of desparation and weakness.

The domers are in the acc and that hurts them.

Comment by TX Panther 11.18.12 @ 8:06 pm

I think Delaney and the rest of the Big Ten cronies were just so full of themselves. Remember how they acted like they were interested in schools like Missouri and Rutgers only to leave them hanging out to dry in the end. I use to hate ND but I am warming up to them ever since they slapped Delaney in the face.

Comment by Floyd 11.18.12 @ 8:22 pm


EXACTLY. I love how ND dissed them. When you read B1G blogs they are so delusional in hoping the ACC somehow implodes so ND would have to come back to them. They have UNC & UVA wanting to be in the Little 11 in some scenarios. Could you ever imagine these southern schools, on Tobacco Road no less, wanting to play in a Northern Conf.

Maryland is one thing, cause it’s more like a Northern State, nobody speaks with accents, but to think real southern schools like Virginia and North Carolina would ever belong to a league NORTH of the Mason-Dixon is really delusional.

But these Big 10’ers can convince themselves of anything in the hopes of still landing Notre Dame.

They only might get Maryland cause they have such a fiscal crisis within the athletic dept. No other reason. And Buttgers well u can’t blame them for not wanting to stay in the BigLeast.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 8:53 pm

@Emel – “We have Notre Dame now, so I don’t really care who leaves.”

We “had” Notre Dane in the Big East, how did that work out?

Comment by maguro 11.18.12 @ 8:54 pm

ACC should strike first forget ACADEMICS this is war.
you take u conn to replace maryland
you then take L ville and cinci and go to 16 teams before the outhers beat you to it.

if your basketball was number 1 before just think now it is 1A NO ONE COULD TOUCH IT.
and with 16 teams think of the new TV deal.

plus it is done 16 and you got there first and you strangthend foot ball and got a toe hold in big 10 country with cnci from ohio.

plus you stoped outhers from geting L VILLE.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 9:08 pm

i really don’t get the move to the big 10 for rutgers and maryland. Seems like they offer nothing as far as athletics unless you count on the womens basketball team at rutgers that is a perennial “powerhouse”. in general it seems like this is about expanding tv markets instead of quality of product for the big 10. In any way, i would welcome the acc to reach out to uconn cause i love the tradition that pitt has with them, and this just further ties in the landscape of the acc unless they try to pull someone in to entice ND for full membership.

Comment by pittisit37 11.18.12 @ 9:21 pm


The BigLeast never had a football agreement with ND, so that’s the difference. Plus the BigLeast was really a bunch of former independents who just happened to find themselves in the same conf.
And you had half the league that was basketball only schools who had no concern for the football half.

Whereas the ACC has been a real conf. for over 60 years.

Who’s side are you on anyway ? :-)

Just remember this the B1G is extremely jealous of the ACC landing Notre Dame.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 9:22 pm


You can only add teams to a league that will increase each schools revenue in today’s reality.
I’m sure the ACC has run the numbers on every possible school that might or might not add additional revenue for everyone. I’m sure you know that already.

If it’s war the ACC should go after Penn State.

Who knows maybe they would want a fresh start in a new conf with some of their old traditional rivals, such as PITT, Syracuse, Boston College and of course they would love playing Notre Dame, Miami and Va Tech as well.

Comment by Emel 11.18.12 @ 9:31 pm

EMel dont you think we should go to 16 that is were it is heading any way get there first.
then you can grab Lville for BB and football befor the big 12 does.
and u conn to replace maryland think what they would bring to a allready strong BB .

and if you dont like cinci we could go for USF OR TULANE for there AAU to make up for the loss of there AAU go to 16 before the outhers
beat them to the punch .

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 9:40 pm

EMel penn state will never leave the big 10 tomutch money it is a pipe dream lets keep it real and the outhers will be at 16 soon all i am saying is grab your teams while there is still some to pick from becuse if you wait .

the big 12 will grab L ville and u conn is a must
so at least this way we can have some say if we wait all that will be left is teams like east carolina so i say do it now go to 15 and tell ND THEY HAVE TO COME ON BORD IN X AMOUNT OF YEARS OR WE GO TO 16 ACT NOW BEFORE IT IS TO LATE.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 9:49 pm

From The Tennesee beat writer…The hiring of Sal Sunseri as defensive coordinator has been an utter disaster. The Vols tried to jam a square peg into a round hole by transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4 scheme, and the result was a defense that will go down as the worst in school history.

Comment by markp 11.18.12 @ 9:56 pm

Forget Lousiville and Cincy. Stay East.

Comment by JoeP 11.18.12 @ 10:01 pm

They are grasping at straws at Tennessee. The folk I Knoxville got grahamed by the jerk at USC.
Then they hired poorly after that.
Maybe the Vols will hire Steve Pederson. After all, Sal did well at ‘Bama.

Comment by SFPitt 11.18.12 @ 10:11 pm

joep if we stay at 14 yes just add u conn.
but if we want to go to 16 you cant stay east
and that is were it is heading maybe not this year so i say get there first and you can kind of pick your teams from a small pool but beter that than none to pick from.

better that then just takeing what will be left.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 10:13 pm

this is goining to set off a reverberation
and every one is going to expand agein
we should get there first.
we should at least go to 15 and tell ND they have to be on bord in 5 years or we go to 16 with out them.
we go for U CONN and tulane or u conn and L ville
or u conn and cinci or u conn and who ever but we should go to 15 right away.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.18.12 @ 10:24 pm

Have to get UCONN if MD goes. The same rules don’t apply that would normally apply to an expansion. There simply is no football program available that would increase football television revenue in any meaningful way. The next best thing is to make your conference into the the No. 1 basketball conference in the land, with no doubt about it. Cache sells too. When the Big 10 expanded they passed on the bigger television markets and larger alumni base that Mizzu has in favor of Nebraska’s smaller TV markets and smaller alumni base. Why…because Nebraska has more cache when it comes to football than Mizzu. UCONN, Syracuse, Duke, and NC in one BB Conference…The ACC tournament would just about rival the NCAA tournament.

Comment by HbgFrank 11.18.12 @ 11:00 pm

I’m a nervous Nellie according to Emel but this Maryland move has me worried. I can see the distant early warning of more dominoes falling before we even get into our comfy new home. Clemson, FSU, Miami etc. ain’t gonna be happy with UConn, and if they bolt, then what? Carolina, for example, has clout and can find a home somewhere. Pitt would be stuck.

Given a hypothetical choice right now, between ACC and B1G, if I’m Pitt, I’d go with the B1G. Of course that’s a non-existent choice, and one that will never happen, but unless Swofford has one or more rabbits in his hat, this could turn bad. Sorry if I’m being negative here. H2P.

Comment by BATR 11.18.12 @ 11:38 pm

The ACC is going to be fine. The Big Ten is making a desperate move here reaching for Maryland and Rutgers. Unless the SEC starts poaching the ACC, I don’t think we need to be too concerned at this point. Clemson, FSU and Miami might not be that excited about UConn but I’m sure they were pretty happy about landing ND. I’m sure Swofford will make sure that any possible expansion targets pass the muster of the likes of a Florida State as he has already shown that he will go out of his way to keep the key institutions happy.

Comment by Floyd 11.19.12 @ 12:04 am

I was so looking forward to Pitt playing MD. I think MD’s move to BIG10 would be a terrible mistake of money over location. They are trading busses for airplanes, which is a mistake.

Comment by Caw Miller 11.19.12 @ 7:20 am

@Caw Miller
“Trading business for airplanes.”
Best line I’ve read or heard in some time.
Forget their 5 game losing streak for a few minutes and think about WVU.
admittedly the Big 12 is more geographically disbursed, but can WVU actually handle the travel costs in money AND time?
Football is not that big of a deal except for the traveling fan. But every other sport is subject to huge per player expenses in cash and time.
Has Maryland traded it’s identity to become a Purdue clone minus the world class engineering degree?
There are a handful of Big Ten students who considered Maryland anyway and they look to PSU.
Revenue generation is rule 1 in any business, but rule 1.5 is profit and rule 2 is brand identity. Ask the people at Hostess and the bankruptcy trustee what I mean.
MD will certainly make more money, but whether they keep it and what happens to their brand is highly questionable.
It is no skin off Pitt’s back, but were I the ACC, I would set my sights on both PSU and WVU now.

Comment by SFPitt 11.19.12 @ 7:59 am

SFPITT you have to be real no pipe dreams PSU wont leave big 10 to much money there and WVU
is not leaveing big 12.

so what must be done is to see who you want from big east and from outher lesser conference and make your move to get them.

not waste time on something that will never happen
and eveyone will go to 16 now so beat them to the punch.

we should have went to 16 last time but we did not to get ND so go to 15 now and tell ND they have x amount of years to come in all sports or we move on with out them.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 9:05 am

The ACC is going to be fine. So Maryland leaves, but the conference is not going to fall apart. UNC, Duke, VT and the like still need a conference to play in and where are they going to go? I agree that the Big (choose a number) is reacting to losing ND. All is well.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 11.19.12 @ 9:58 am

I am not a fan of mediocrity and Big East leftovers are mediocre at best.
WVU will jump at the first chance…you think Oliver Luck doesn’t blow with the prevailing breeze? I do.
PSU is certainly shooting for the stars, but if you don’t ask, you’ll never know.

Comment by sfpitt 11.19.12 @ 10:50 am

Dan you have not been posting are you ok.
what are your thoughts should we go to 15 and tell ND they have x amount of time to come on bord with football or stay at 14 with u conn.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 10:52 am

Bossdaws what do you think.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 10:54 am

EMel Joe D thoughts on this do we stay at 14 or move on to 15 or 16 do we tell ND to come all in.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 10:57 am

SFPITT wvu is not going to leave the big 12 were he makes more money plus they had to sign over there second ter tv rights whrn they joined the big 12 which means there tv rights stay in big 12 plus they they have to pay big 12 the money that was given them so they could leave big east

so why would they go thru that to go to ACC WERE THEY MAKE LESS MONEY

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 11:49 am

Hi Frank!! Thanks for asking. I have been under the weather the past week. Feeling much better today. Thanks.

My first reaction is sad. Was looking forward for Pitt and Maryland to become rivals in football and hoops. We played them in the 70’s, often wondered why we didn’t play them more, because of location.

It’s a done deal though, so, time to move on.

It is a pipe dream Frank, but, I agree with SFPITT, you have to at least ask Penn. State.

Will probably never happen, I agree. However, if you google “Penn State to the ACC”, there are allready articles on it. Pennlive is actually advocating it. The responses are about 50/50, some saying never happen, some wishing it would to rekindle old rivalries, better road trips and the old “we’ve always been a Big 10 step child”.

I don’t know, maybe with everything going on up there and all of the changes, maybe this would be a sign, especially since the ACC is the one better academic conference than the Big 10.

Ya, pipe dream, gotta send some feelers out though.

Who else, UCONN and Louisville, the usual suspects. Nothing sexy there, but might have to do.

I pontificated on this for the past year, but, I really wish the ACC would have pressured ND to be all in.

Obviously, I am no fly on the wall, but, when reading everything, putting everything together, there was no way ND was ever going to the Big 10, to just be one of 12 mid west schools.

ND to the Big 12, even for all sports except basketball, there was no way in hell that was ever gonna happen. When you take a step back, and look at it again, it is even more obvious. Notre Dame soccer and volleyball to Lubbock and Waco??? No effin’ way ever.

I just think Swofford should have walked away and let ND stew. Yep, football great again right now. Money, schmoney, ND people care about academics and they also care about their olympic sports. They were not gonna leave them in the Big East to wallow in the wind. They desperately needed a place for their olympic sports.

I don’t know, who else is out there??? I think the ACC needs to take their time, before just yanking out the welcome card to UCONN or Louisville.

Comment by Dan 11.19.12 @ 12:02 pm

There’s no reason at this point to react to what the Little 11 is doing, after all it’s just a reaction to what Swofford accomplished with Notre Dame. I’m sure in the ACC War Room (lol) they knew Maryland was shaky, since only they and FSU voted against the $50 Million exit fee.

Your going to have your pick of the remnants of the Big 12 after Texas + 3 leave for the PAC 12 if we EVER go to 16.

What the Little 11 just did was say they now admit to themselves they will NEVER get Texas & Notre Dame. Which is all their blowhardedness (is that a word, lol) they had the audacity to think these two behemoths were interested.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:03 pm

The ACC is not going to take such lowly rated academic schools like WVU, L-Ville & UC.

Don’t see that ever happening. Now somebody like Vanderbilt would fit in to the ACC, cause they certainly don’t fit into the SEC.

And they have a very good hoops program (don’t we know) and an up & coming football program under 1rst year coach James Franklin who just clobbered Tennessee.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:16 pm

I think the ACC should hold pat with UConn. I don’t think UConn has any other viable options then the ACC. Although it appears that the Big Ten just fired the first shots against the ACC, I don’t think it would be wise to start aggresively pursuing teams in any of the other major conferences. I really like the ACC and believe the ACC is positioned to be a strong conference down the road, but do not believe it wants to get in a pissing war with the Big Ten or even the Big Twelve. Unless the ACC has its sights set on one of the teams still on the board such as Louisville or Cinci (which appear to both be Big 12 targets in the near future), I would not make a similar reactionary move to the one made by the Big 10.

Comment by Floyd 11.19.12 @ 12:18 pm

Dan glad you are feeling better.
ask peen state cant hurt but it isent going to happen this is all abought money and you dont leave 24 million fot 17 million and when the big ten move is going to make it more then then 24 million. just so you can play pitt no way that happens.

but i still think we should go for who we can get out of a small pool of teams before the outhers
get there pick of the small pool .

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 12:18 pm

But, if you got Penn St. and ND to join fully, then the ACC money skyrockets!! LOL

Just sayin!!! LOL Can’t believe we’re doing this again. Thought there was going to be a 3 or 5 year window of calm!!!

Comment by Dan 11.19.12 @ 12:25 pm

EMel i hear what you are saying but i think the
outher conferences will panic and start moveing to 16 teams.
and there are only abought 5 teams that are good enough to have and if we wait the outhers will grab them up like the big 10 is doeing now.

so i would like the ACC to grab what they think is the best 2 i think U CONN and L vill my self
but that is just my thought.

that would give us 15 and save a place for ND.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 12:28 pm

No, you don’t want to be reactionary, as I even said myself.

They will have to start thinking about it though, because once Md. leaves, they will need a team for scheduling and division balance.

Isn’t there anyone else out there, we haven’t thought about, someone sexier than Big East re-treads!!!

Yes, I am being selfish. Pitt and ‘Cuse got in, too bad!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 11.19.12 @ 12:30 pm

MAryland and Rutger to BIG whatever. Time for the ACC to reassess.

1) Do nothing
2) Add one more school to get to 14 fb schools (UCONN or UL are the obvious left overs)
3) Make a bold move and go to 16 and take the remaining viable schools off the board (You know that FSU is leaving for the B12 and UL is waiting)
Likely candidates are are UCONN, UL, and UC.

ACC will be fine. No worries for PITT. Would have taken a B10 invite but if they don’t want us then no time to sit around looking at that horse. I for one am happy with the ACC invite.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.19.12 @ 12:33 pm

Looks like its official… Maryland voted to move to the Big 10… ouch..
and if Rutgers goes… double ouch…
Rutgers and UConn were odds on favorite for expansion with Rutgers being 1st choice.

Clearly ACC will go after UConn… they have no other choice and UConn was begging the ACC to take them but BC blocked them.

ACC can’t go to Notre Dame and say “all in”… ND tooo powerful…

Question… how much does Big10 schools get versus ACC…
I thought the difference was only 5million/yr… but the issue is Big10 is up for renewal and ACC just renewed.

Comment by Joe D 11.19.12 @ 12:35 pm

So you guys are thrilled with Vanderbilt. lol

Nashville would also be a nice road trip, we could wear our country-western duds that weekend. :-)

Welcome back Dan-o
Hi Frankie

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:36 pm

It’s still the Little 11

Pitt fan in Atlanta

Always will be !

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:38 pm

Dan is right. You get PSU the money skyrockets which is why WVU would leave.
Revenue is one thing, Profit is another and the lower expenses for WVU (assuming the ACC would take a junior college) and the higher figure you get with PSU makes up the difference.
If you only make one move here, you will do what PENNDOT did with the Fort Pitt tunnels: design them for the day they opened and not for anything after that.
Don’t misunderstand me….I don’t see where the Big ten improved competitively…they have not…they just gor Purdue in football and Iowa in basketball…but they do have a TV footprint that enhances a market they already penetrated.
If this is about TV sets, then go to the TV sets.

Comment by sfpitt 11.19.12 @ 12:38 pm

Don’t be surprised if ACC goes after Vandy!!!

Comment by Joe D 11.19.12 @ 12:39 pm

Doesn’t the addition of ND for 6 games a year, give the ACC another go-round on the TV negotiating Spin Wheel ? And they’re all in for hoops, gotta increase TV viewer ship in places like Chicago and Indianapolis for ACC hoops.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:41 pm

I think Big12 is vunerable… not the other way around…
Split the teams between Pac12 and SEC…
and WVU may be on the outside looking in!!

Comment by Joe D 11.19.12 @ 12:43 pm

Hey Emel, all is well!! Intestinal virus, and I’ll leave it at that, unless you’d like to hear more???????

Comment by Dan 11.19.12 @ 12:47 pm

The Big 12 will always be vulnerable, because if 16 is the ultimate goal of the Mega Conf’s. The PAC 12 is going to need 4 teams. AND THE ONLY ONES THAT WOULD FIT FOR THEM AND MAKE THE PIE LARGER IS TEXAS AND HER 3 CONSORTS.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:47 pm

So the remaining 6 dwarfs of Baylor, WVU, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State & TCU would have to be absorbed by either the SEC or the ACC or the Little 11.

There you go, by two’s they go as if entering Noah’s Ark. 2 to the ACC, 2 to the SEC and 2 to the Little 11. Everything is solved.

ACC has 14 with ND as Football member so they only need 2 to get to 16.

L-Ville & Cincy go back to C-USA from wince they came. As does USF. And Temple goes back to the MAC along with Uconn. There they can finally develop a real rivalry with Umass. Ta dah.

See Emel solved everything

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 12:56 pm

Jim Delany was pissed off because the girl he wanted to take to the prom, “Notre Dame”, went with someone else. They spent so much effort trying to woo Notre Dame that he needed to do something to save his job. I think he a pompous A-hole and he has been behind the curve, all along. Maryland and Rutgers may expand the footprint, but they will bring nothing to conference in football and little in basketball. If the Maryland people think they were overlooked in the ACC, just wait until they are in the Big Ten.

Comment by Justinian 11.19.12 @ 12:58 pm

Yeah Maryland just went from being the red headed step child to North Carolina and Duke to a similar position to Ohio State and Michigan.

Comment by Floyd 11.19.12 @ 1:03 pm

The ACC should target Texas, Penn State and Vandy. The ACC may very well lose NC, VA and Ga Tech to the Big 10. NC St and Va Tech to the SEC. It doesn’t appear that the SEC wants Fl St given Florida’s objections and no new market. So unless the Big 12 comes knocking, Fl St is safe. Clemson is tied to Fl St. Inviting Louisville, UConn or any other school at this point won’t make Fl St happy. Therefore, the target must be a football power with a national following. If Texas and Penn State can be convinced, The Domers will go ‘all in.’ That means unequal revenue sharing. If this doesn’t happen, I see Pitt being in a mid major conference which takes the leftovers from the Big 12, ACC and Big East.

Comment by TX Panther 11.19.12 @ 1:12 pm

If Vandy would be agreeable to joining the ACC, that would be the best move. Vandy is out of place in the SEC with regard to academics. My second choice would be Louisville. They would bring both football and basketball strength to the conference. UConn will always be available in the future if FSU or Clemson would leave.

I wonder if the SEC would trade Vandy for FSU. That way the SEC could do away with all pretense that college sports has anything to do with academics.

Comment by John In South Carolina 11.19.12 @ 1:30 pm

How about Towson St. to get the Maryland market back???

Comment by Dan 11.19.12 @ 1:30 pm

Maryland and Rutgers are Scooby Snacks for OSU and Michigan.

Comment by sfpitt 11.19.12 @ 1:56 pm

I was looking forward to seeing Pitt at Md. I guess I’ll have to drive a little farther to VT and UVA.

Comment by Pittastic 11.19.12 @ 2:31 pm

Who cares about Maryland. They sold out because they apparently can’t keep their athletic department in the black. If UCONN is the worst alternative for a replacement, they’re a better basketball and football program.

Good riddance. Have fun getting steamrolled playing 1950’s football in the asshole of America.

Comment by Denny 11.19.12 @ 2:46 pm

I bet Penn St. isn’t really that far-fetched. ND has to see what’s going on and I’m guessing that they know that the time to join for football is approaching fast. Penn St. might jump at the chance to be in a conference with Pitt, ND, Syracuse, and the other old rivals, especially under the current circumstances at the school. Get uconn and one more school to join. The league would very strong in all sports.

Comment by Vulcan Rob 11.19.12 @ 2:50 pm

vandy will not leave the sec and that money
when you think of a team you have to think of a team that will really come not pipe dreams.
go to rivals and look at there list of div 1 teams

then you will see who you can pick from not that many that is why you go with u conn for BB and
L VILLE FOR bb and FOOTBALL OR TULANE BECUSE THEY ARE A AAU SCHOOL for academics there are not more then 5 or 6 good schools to pick from.

who would really come forget schools in big 10 or big 12 or sec or pac 10 once you do that youwill see there are not that many to pick from forget the pipe dreams try to keep it real we are the 5th
best conference mony wise so be real.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 2:51 pm

The reactions to this, especially in our Rivals forums, have been ridiculous.

The ACC will pick up Louisville or UConn, both of whom are huge academic and athletic upgrades. Maryland is buttawful both academically and athletically.

By spring no one will even remember the embarrassing burst of Chicken Little-ism that was the reaction of far too many to the worst university in the ACC leaving.

It’s just ridiculous. The ACC is not going to be around for a year or two, it’s going to be around for a long, long time. The Big Ten just added a steaming dumpster to its conference and people are saying that its the end of the world for the ACC?

Comment by deepelemblues 11.19.12 @ 4:09 pm

POSTS from news sorces say ACC looking at Lville
u conn cinci and SF and that ACC might take 2 teams not just one like i said give us a total of

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 4:31 pm

The more teams the ACC takes the less often the current teams get a home game with Notre Dame.

So does anyone other than Uconn to replace Maryland make sense ?

The big 50K watt talker radio station in the middle of ACC country is reporting that Uconn is the one !

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 4:47 pm

I can’t see any southern schools (like UNC, UVA, GT or whoever) going north to play football in the cold weather with a (as they would say) bunch of yankees. More money or not. Somethings can’t be bought and none of these schools are anywhere near as desperate as financially strapped as Maryland and well in Rutgers case, getting left behind in the Gang of 5.

That is how ridiculous these Little 11 ppl think in regards to their overrated, archaic conference.
Like Notre Dame in their own backyard, none of these other ACC teams need the Little 11 to rescue them financially. And like Notre Dame these schools would thumb their noses at the Little 11.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 5:00 pm

Oh they’re going to play up north at BC, PITT & Syracuse & ND, but it’s as members of their conference. Not someone else’s.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 5:05 pm

Bleacher report and outhers say Rutgers to tell big east good bye on tuesdsay we are going to big ten.
also ACC looking at L ville as well as u conn.
that ACC is in talks with 4 schools cenci and SF

now ask yourself this can big east go on with the loss of 2 scools or the loss of 3 or is it dead.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 5:07 pm

I don’t get why people don’t see the danger to the ACC in the UMD move.

Coach K does:

link to

Comment by BATR 11.19.12 @ 7:48 pm

Why are people thinking that Maryland will be able to negotiate its way out of for less than the 50 mil? Don’t you have to have something the other side wants in order to negotiate?

Comment by panther94 11.19.12 @ 7:59 pm

Maryland voted against the $50M exit. Justified or not, that will be the basis for their argument that it shouldn’t apply to them.

Comment by BATR 11.19.12 @ 8:20 pm


Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense.

Comment by panther94 11.19.12 @ 8:32 pm


Take a read: link to

Comment by panther94 11.19.12 @ 8:34 pm

Southern schools like NC and Va may be tempted due to the academics of the Big 10 and of course the money. NC may not like having to play second fiddle to tOSU and Michigan however. But Delaney is a NC grad. Fans will suffer in the end while university administrators become the fat cat CEO’s.

Comment by TX Panther 11.19.12 @ 8:58 pm

Pitt and stability do not go together. But what a wonderful and curious ride it has been.

Comment by TX Panther 11.19.12 @ 8:59 pm

panther94 thanks big rast could be done

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.19.12 @ 9:01 pm

@TX Panther

ACC is the best academic conference as of 2011 rankings:
link to

Comment by panther94 11.19.12 @ 9:09 pm

Yeah this is getting scary. I wish the B1G would have taken us. Notre Dame seems to like us enough to come with us. Then the B1G could take Syracuse too, forming the first 16 team superconference.

Comment by Timmeh 11.19.12 @ 9:12 pm

PITT is a great University in a great City, we have a huge Endowment(it will be 2nd or 3rd in the ACC) and our football tradition is 2nd to very few despite the middling last 30 years and we have one of the best basketball venues in college basketball and have been the best in the BigEast for a decade, regular season record wise.

We need to get over this self-doubting Bullshit.

Having lived in an area where I have to sell PITT , I have no doubts. You need to quit listening to the haters of PITT, which amounts to 50% of Pittsburgh and most of the media up there.

Stand tall my brothers and be proud. PITT is IT !

Veritas et Virtus !

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 9:16 pm

I second that, Emel.

Comment by panther94 11.19.12 @ 9:19 pm


Pitt IS a great university. I’ve lived a successful life in large part due to my Pitt degrees, even though I haven’t lived in Pgh for 30 years. I love Pitt.

And the ACC move was great at the time. It’s just that things are changing every 5 minutes now. That doesn’t mean the move was a mistake.

There will be, IMO, 4 super conferences with 16 teams each eventually, give or take, and one “leftover” – probably the ACC, since it is the weakest in football (which is the revenue engine of it all).

And that’s where Pitt will be, in a conference of mostly basketball schools that dabble in football. It’s not the end of the world. Many great schools will be there, including Pitt. But make no mistake, it will be a second fiddle conference.

Comment by BATR 11.19.12 @ 9:27 pm


THE ACC will be one of the 4 Superconferences.

Why do I say this, one only need look out west to the current PAC 12. They only can get to 16 by adding Texas plus her 3 consorts (Ok, OSU & TT).

So that means the BIg 12 (10 now) will be history.

If you figure out how the PAC 12 gets to 16 without Texas please let me know.

Hail to PITT.

Wherever we’ll be it will be a Great Conference.

Comment by Emel 11.19.12 @ 9:32 pm


I’ll have to admit I hadn’t considered that about the PAC 12. Thanks – that makes me feel a bit better. I think I’ll have a little libation – as Myron used to put it – and relax.

Hail to Pitt indeed.

Comment by BATR 11.19.12 @ 9:48 pm

My Goodness.
Folks…Maryland left the ACC, not the Union. They are broke and they’re desperate.
Routers is leaving the Big East: who wouldn’t?
Conferences are looking to distribute their own products. Like Cambpells buying soup kitchens.
The real entity in trouble is ESPN. It is their distribution network that is being attacked.
ND essentially distributes it’s own sports. The ACC needs to think ahead and create ACCTV or whatever it is they want to call it.
Add a team near New York, finance the damn thing and pray your not for profit status does nor get challenged.
If I am stategizing for ESPN, that is where I set my sights.
Pitt is just fine but the real dollars are not in the Marylands of the world, they are in distributing your own product.
That way, you don’t have to pay ESPN an access fee.

Comment by SFPitt 11.19.12 @ 9:57 pm

Wow, I can spell. Wrely, eye can!

Comment by SFPitt 11.19.12 @ 9:59 pm

All I have to say is I’m glad to be in the ACC and not the Big TenElevenTwelveThirteenFourteen. I hope the ACC doesn’t panic and invite UCONN off the cuff. I don’t see the value they bring. Get creative – hopefully, they’ve seen the writing on the wall and have a plan. The commish response to MD leaving was much less distressing than the BE’s when Pitt and ‘Cuse bolted.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 11.19.12 @ 10:20 pm

Look for the ACC to make a big move (they never sit around and wait).

My guess is that
1) they add UCONN immediately (easy decision)
2) they consider adding Louisville and possibly Cincinnati

ACC WILL BE THE FIRST CONFERENCE TO GO TO 16 giving the nod to everyone else to do the same. The B12 will be going after Lousiville (and possible Boise State) as they are not going to be left without additions. The real question is who gets to Lousville first (ACC or B12).

Next question will be doest the PAC 12 go to 16? (Texas, TTech, Oklahoma, Ok ST). If they do then the Big Whatever will reassess. The problem is that the Big Whatever is running out of choices of AAU schools in contiguous states.

The ACC will be fine. I will say that when Coach K shares concern then Swofford and the NC guys will listen. There next move will be more reactionary than anything. Reacting to the Big Whatever move and reacting to Coach K’s concern.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 11.20.12 @ 7:08 am

I think they need to think big. Talk to ND and see if PSU would make the leap. Please spare me the silly anti-PSU stuff. We all know what they would bring to the table, even with the recent, big issues… long term it would be smart, plus it would hurt the Big10 and solidify the footprint with a big brand.

But yes, it’s a long shot, but ND could help.

Comment by JoeP 11.20.12 @ 10:37 am

If its about TV set then go big.

Add USF (orlando), Louisville or Cincinnati. Throw in UCONN for a pseudo-NY market. This takes you to 16 + ND. Travel become easier for everyone as you go to North and South divisions.

Let’s be real about this. It isn’t about academics. Its about TV markets and TV appeal. UCONN gets in because of BBall. Louisville because of FBall and USF because of…well… Orlando.

Comment by PITT Fan in Atlanta 11.21.12 @ 3:36 pm

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