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October 13, 2012

Open Thread: Louisville-Team Schizo

Filed under: Football,Open Thread — Chas @ 9:00 am

The kids and I drove down to Zanesville, Ohio to rejoin the wife last night. And so the kids can see grandpa. This morning — really, really early — I headed to the ‘Burgh. That stretch on I-70 from Cambridge, OH into West Virginia remains one of the more desolate, dreary stretches to drive. Even in the spring and summer large patches are nothing but brown lands and burned out husks of ramshackle houses and barns. Fall and winter, you just hit the gas a little more frequently and try to get through the area quickly.

So, it’s an 11 am Homecoming game on ESPNU.

Louisivlle is ranked. Favored in the game. Has a quality coach and a potentially dynamic, young QB. But for the whole, stuck-in-the-Big-East-until-the-Big-12-decides-to-go-to-12-teams thing, things are going well for the Cards. Fully recovered from their exposure to the Krags N1N virus they contracted from Tulsa.

Pitt is…

Well that’s just it. No one knows. If there is a theme for this game, it is that no one is sure which Pitt team will show up for this game. Will it be the power-running squad with an imperfect but solid enough O-line that opens up the holes for Ray Graham and Rushel Shell to bludgeon defenses? Forcing defenses to respect the running game enough to not blitz so much and allowing Tino Sunseri to find his receivers. Efficiently passing and managing the game. Producing a potent and surprisingly balanced offense. One that went roughshod over Virginia Tech and Gardner-Webb.

Or will the O-line look like they never received any coaching before last Tuesday? Skillfully blending matador blocking techniques with brain-dead penalties. Creating an anemic rushing attack and forcing a game manager QB to be Ben Rothlisberger.

Yeah, I’m putting most of the questions and pressure on the O-line.

The defense — other than some lapses early or late — has been consistently solid for the last month. The receivers have been excellent. The running backs I trust. Even Tino Sunseri has been very good, when he doesn’t have to do too much.

It’s on the O-line. Coach Paul Chryst has said these are the best the team has this year. Frustrating as it may be, he’s right there are no better options without blind hope and burning a redshirt.

I’ll be tweeting from my seat at Heinz. A much needed break from reality.





@sfpitt

Good point, I think Pitt made 5 million from their football program last year, conversely State Penn made approximately 60 million. I’m curious how 2012 revenues turn out for both.

A big gap between the two programs, my point is Pitt struggles to turn a buck and its going to get worse because of people are just tired of the same old shit because we have hired a poor or mediocre coach over and over again who needs time to install their system and get their players.

After the Wanny, Haywood and Fraud fiasco someone should have lost their job but the Pitt administration is inept and it shows. The administration needs change until that happens we will be mediocre at best. I fear we are going to go into the ACC on a low point in football.

Comment by WLAT and The Big Beat 10.14.12 @ 2:29 pm

I couldn’t be more dissapointed with this loss.

And my son — out of the clear blue sky — has, for reasons unbeknownst to me, decided that he will ABSOLUTELY NOT put on pants today. Hence, pretty much couldn’t enjoy this beautiful day outdoors. (I don’t use physical force to discipline my 4 year old son.)

In any event, there is a positive note to leave here on:
The SnorgesT chick at top right of this page is a huge improvement. (Nice ad, Chas, keep ’em coming!)

Comment by Neil 10.14.12 @ 4:22 pm

Hbg Frank well said .
look pitt is 2 and 4 penn state is 4 and 2
both schools have first year coachs .
penn state lost there starting WR they lost there starting RB and 8 outher players there depth to
transfer.

so what is the reason they are 4 and 2 and we 2 and 4 the coachs maybe i dont know there QB is all most as bad as tino.

we have are starting WR we have deep RB we lost no depth just saying they dont say wait till next year but we do every year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 10.14.12 @ 4:28 pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! WTF? The redhead in blue undies was pictured up top just a moment ago…
Hey site manager: Why are you trying to ruin this day entirely?

Comment by Neil 10.14.12 @ 4:29 pm

They put up 35 and out played a ranked team for 3 quarters. The 3rd didnt go well as it was defencive breakdown after defencive breakdown, but its not like they got run off the field. I mean some of you are acting like you are supposed to score everytime you touch the ball and anything less is unacceptable. It feels like a lot better offence then the past 2 years, and im no Tino appologist. Give it time, hopefully the d can catch up.

Comment by dacs 10.13.12 @ 8:06 pm

“Give it time hopefully the d can catch up.” lol
Aaaaa… what about last week the d must have caught up, they gave up 7 points to Syracuse. This great offense mustered a staggering 13 points against Syracuse, even a D2 team, namely Stony Brook, managed to score 17 points against Cuse.

As far as the 35 points yesterday, not really, as 7 of those were scored on PITT’s last meaningless drive, when the game was in hand 45-28. Very reminiscent of PITT’s last meaningless TD drive against Cincinnati in that blowout lose. Those scoring drives are called mercy points. All those last possession meaningless drives did was, pad Sir Tino’s stats, as yesterdays added about 100 yards to his passing stats. So while 287 passing yds looks impressive, sort of(apparently to some ppl who don’t watch much college football), much like most of his game, upon further scrutiny, it was more like 200. Which isn’t much in today’s high scoring pass happy college football, where you have QB’s routinely now, passing for over 400 yds.

Our QB is more fit to play for IUP or Edinboro not a D1 program. As he’s been outplayed by just about every QB we’ve faced in his 32 starts. Yes, even by the D2 QB’s of Maine and Youngstown State.
I will say he did outplay the kid from Gardner Webb and VA Tech’s dreadful QB. And those God awful QB’s from Uconn last year, or was it the year before. As far as completion %, that has never been a problem, as the previous two seasons he’s posted a 65% completion %.

Which goes to emphasize the point, it’s NOT how many you complete, it’s when & where you complete them(as he’s somewhat adequate between the 30’s, except of course for long passes) and can you complete them to wide open WR’s for TOUCHDOWN’S.
As when you miss wide open for sure TD passes, those are just as much as MOMENTUM KILLERS, as a fumble or an interception is. Those deflate everyone in the game and players watching along the sidelines. Some ppl apparently don’t understand that ! Maybe cause they never played, idk.

Comment by Emel 10.14.12 @ 5:36 pm

Thank God Chryst was coaching to win yesterday.

This stmt, was made by alot yesterday and again today. Like somehow bad coaching decisions can just be fluffed off. On the order of “Oh well, we like his aggressiveness, playing to win, etc.”

I got news for you, bad coaching decisions isn’t playing to win, it’s guaranteeing you’re going to LOSE.

You don’t give your opponent the opportunity to seize momentum when there is no reason to do so.
That decision at the end of the 1rst half was something you’d see by a Pop Warner league coach.
And a not very successful one either.

1) You never want to let your opponent score right before the half to gain some momentum.
(and you saw how that momentum gained by Ville at halftime, played out in the 3rd quarter, did you not, as the game was lost in the 3rd quarter for the most part, as PITT never comes from behind to win, with this QB)
2) You never want to shorten the field for your opponent to score. Again ESPECIALLY BEFORE HALFTIME !
3) What exactly was there to gain, by going for it on 4rth down with 53 seconds to go in the 1rst half. Let’s examine that. What was to be gained, was a mid to long FG attempt by a very erratic FG kicker. So let me get this straight, you’re going to risk your 7 point lead and vital halftime momentum, for a FG attempt from FG kicker you know is very very erratic from 35 – 40 yds out. That makes no sense at all.

That decision there, effected how the game played out in the 4rth Quarter, as PITT would have been down by ONLY 7 points, not 10 when he made his next coaching gaffe. Which if the correct decision would have been made at the end of the 1rst half, it wouldn’t have led to his next coaching mistake. That is what happens when you make a bad decision, more than likely it leads to more bad decisions. Which is why they sometimes equate football with life.

Comment by Emel 10.14.12 @ 6:06 pm

Emel, you are touching on a very important point. Tino’s failures are not as much about his lack of arm strength or his immobility. His failures come in his inability to be as big as the moment requires and his utter lack of awareness. He’s a coach’s son and a three year starter on the D1 level. The fact that he still cannot recognize a blitz pre-snap and checkoff at the LOS is ridiculous.

Comment by ECH 10.14.12 @ 6:06 pm

I will totally disagree with your second statement however. And the reason why Chryst’s decision to go for the first before the half was right was proven with the first play of the 3rd Q. The Pitt d has not shown the consistent ability to shut people down for 12 seconds, let alone 40. We could have punted there and pinned them back at the 2 and they still would have only been one Bridgewater to WR go pattern away from disaster. Don’t forget it was a 4th down conversion that UL made that gave them momentum. If Shell hits the line at full steam and converts that 4th down Pitt not only maintains momentum, but has the chance to change the outlook of the game by tacking on additional points and making it a two score game going into the half.

Comment by ECH 10.14.12 @ 6:11 pm

Final thought: if you call for Chancellor Nordigren’s job over the head football coaching postion, re-evaluate your damn life
Comment by Jon 10.14.12 @ 10:19 am

lol, if you’re going to go on a rant and lambast those of us who have witnessed debacle after debacle concerning PITT football since they let Jackie Sherrill walk after going 33-3 his last 3 seasons, at least get the Chancellors name correct. lmao

P.S. I’ve already re-examined my life btw. Thanks for the heads up though.

Comment by Emel 10.14.12 @ 6:31 pm

Nobody is going to fire Nordenberg over our poor football team. He has done a great deal in improving Pitt’s standing as a great academic and research institution. The football money is chump change compared to almost $1 billion in annual research money going to Pitt.
The thing that I don’t understand about him though is for a man who strives for excellence in all other areas to be satisfied with a poor athletic program, especially football.

Comment by Houston Panther 10.14.12 @ 6:42 pm

@ECH

The first play in the 3rd quarter had no bearing on the wrong decision being made by the HC at the end of the 1rst half. That obviously was something the Ville OC saw in PITT’s defense at halftime that they exploited immediately in the 3rd quarter.

The decision was wrong for all the reasons I stated. Again you don’t shorten the field for your opponent when you’re leading and certainly NOT right before halftime. Even if Shell makes that 1rst down,…it was still the wrong decision.

Again, what was there to gain, a long FG attempt by a very erratic FG kicker. Certainly not worth the risk. That was what you would call a Risk Adverse decision by PC.

You have to weigh what would be gained against what would be lost when making any decision.

The to gain category was a mid to long FG attempt by a very erratic FG kicker.

The loss category, was: 1) your 7 point lead.
And up until that point, PITT had the momentum, it was LOST on that decision. 2) So you lost your momentum in the game. And by the way, PITT NEVER regained the momentum from that point on
3) Ville was immediately in scoring position. So you lost your field position
4) You lost your best ally in that case, …which is the clock. Had PITT punted and pinned Ville deep in their own territory, the clock would have also worked in PITT’s favor. And against Ville.

Nope it was a really bad decision and NO NFL coach would EVER do such a thing, right before halftime.

Comment by Emel 10.14.12 @ 6:51 pm

Ya, I’m waiting for instant gratification.

I’ve been waiting for it since about 84′!!!

LMAO!!!

Comment by Dan 10.14.12 @ 6:56 pm

agree Houston Panther

In the whole scheme of things and life PITT football is inconsequential. As are ALL college football programs. And way to much emphasis is placed on them. Chancellor Nordenberg has done a magnificent job at PITT where it counts. (now if he only would get rid of Stevie Boy, lol)

Academically, research wise and increasing our Endowment to over $2 Billion dollars, which will place us in the upper tier of the ACC. So with all this money, let’s get on with a campus football stadium, called what else PITT Stadium.

This is after all, is a football post on a PITT athletics blog.

Comment by Emel 10.14.12 @ 7:03 pm

Thinking maybe he’s a big Tiger fan. lol

@Dan,

Yes, we’re part of the instant gratification generation, didn’t you know that Dan-o.

Which is why I’m always upgrading my I-phone every 3 months. NOT !!!

Comment by Emel 10.14.12 @ 7:11 pm

Just back from homecoming on a gorgeous sunny Saturday utterly ruined by the incompetance of the Pitt Football Team. Some thoughts after reading all the previous comments….
* attendance was no more than 35,000, I don’t care what the paper said.
* Having attended Pitt Football games since 1962, I don’t think I have ever seen a more angry, frustrated, doom expecting crowd than Saturday’s and that was before the game. At halftime, there was simply rage and outrage. And that’s when we were ahead.
* We all had a good time discussing what was “Wannstedtean” and what wasn’t, and it was determined that the play right before halftime that went for 27 yards and set up a fieldgoal, was NOT Wannsteadian as it would have gone for a TD under Wannstedt!
* I sat with all Pitt fans and all strangers to my wife and I as I have given away my season tickets to friends.
* Not one of us at halftime thought Pitt had any chance to win the game and most thought we would be blown out in the 3rd quarter..prophetic!
* At halftime after the homecoming court was announced, Chancellor Nordy came on and announced that Pitt had set a record of $2 billion dollars in giving and thanked all of us alums. That immediately set off a discussion of “let’s use some of that money for a stadium on campus” and can we buy out smug Steve’s contract. or maybe we could get some new UNi’s with names on the back that don’t make our team look like Navy on the field. What utter classlessness!
* Back to the crowd…and the tone and vitrial of the previous comments. If you think you were angry, you should have seen the Pitt Fans, young and old who attended! As most of you know, I have never been shy about expressing my anger toward Pitt and this football program and had a quiet 5 hour ride home to think it over.

Here’s the deal…I have been attending Pitt Football games since 62, did not miss a home game from 62 -82 and made a lot of the road games too.
I, at least had the pleasure of the 75-82 winning years, but like the rest of you, have suffered mightily over the last 30.

As I sat with my best Pitt friends, frat brothers and wives at dinner and looked around, I realized that next year, maybe one or a few of us would not be around. We are at that age where we are all losing friends and loved ones…and then it came to me, THAT IS why I am so Fucking Mad at this program, the clowns at Pitt who have set these wheels of mediocrity in motion and continue to make Pitt a laughing stock in the world of collegiate football. Beano Cook, a great Pitt man who I met only once but admired for his frankness on the total idiocy which inhabits the Pitt administration year after year said it best and I quote “same old Pitt”.

That’s why WBB et al. are angry… why the majority of loyal, faithful fans who attended yesterday sat on their hands on third down and refused to get overly enthused with what they were witnessing. Not a one of us had ANY doubt about the out come of the game or the futility of the coaching and play on the field. Imagine another college team passing up a 29 yard FG ,down 10pts because they not only had no faith in the kicker but were not even sure the snapper could get hime the ball! Don’t think Bama or Notre Dame…think Bucknell, Towson State, Duquesne.

SAME OLD PITT…and not only are we all tired of it, we aren’t sure we may EVER see it change.

PS – The band was as good as I’ve ever seen it. Jack Anderson is retiring after this year and has done an amazing job with very little support from the Pitt Admin. We used sit with his wife. He is a class act and a terrific director. Several of my friends played in the alumni band in honor of Jack. Typical of Pitt Admin, not a single announcement was made over the loud speaker of who those 87 guys were in blue jackets and tan slacks playing instruments with the Pitt Band. Utterly classless as usual.

Comment by Dan 72 10.14.12 @ 8:01 pm

just got back from the burg,the haters are out chas ,i guess u think this good for the site.So this is my game changer and i now hate this person. At the half someone on the field let their baloon go late, i bet it was tino.

Comment by paul shannon 10.14.12 @ 8:06 pm

@ Dan 72.
I will second your band “atta boy”. Told my sister that she missed the Pitt band arches finest the last two home games, but damn they sounded superb on Saturday.
Absolutely they BEST they have ever been.
By light years.
Jack is going out in style. Wonder if Mel Orange will get the nod next?
.

Comment by SFPitt 10.14.12 @ 8:07 pm

The Pitt band sounded the best I have ever heard. Now I know why based on Dan 72 above.

The football team seems to lack fight when they lose the lead. Comeback seems to hard a hill to climb.

Still 6 games to go. Maybe this year but probably next year.

Comment by Frank MD 10.14.12 @ 8:19 pm

Jack Anderson is a great guy, has done wonders with the band since he took over as director, and should be wildly appreciated at the last home game in honor of his retirement.

Comment by ECH 10.14.12 @ 9:18 pm

This conversation about the band reminds me of the Dave Hart and Carl DePasqua days of 1968-1972 when we were glad William and Mary was on our schedule. We drank more and enjoyed a band that had a great tradition unlike what was going on on the field. I don’t like this kind of history repeating itself. I’m still going to the Temple and Rutgers games though. Hope springs eternal. HTP

Comment by barreman 10.14.12 @ 9:29 pm

Just so I understand. PC is an idiot for going for it on 4th and 1 before half. But Strong is a genius since he was able to kick a field goal before half.

Oh ya, he got to kick that FG by throwing a 30 yd Hail Mary on 4th and 8 from what his 40…..guess that’s the difference between being a genius and incompetent.

Comment by burgh1972 10.15.12 @ 5:11 am

The Missing Headline from Saturday’s Game… Tino Sunseri Critical of Pitt Coaching.

Driving home from the game listening to the postgame show on The Fan, Tino was heard saying something to the effect of “They (Louisville’s Defense) played us different than what we expected. We need to do a better job of making adjustments.”

Now my understanding is that “adjustments” implies changes coming from the coaches… not the players… and usually at halftime.

That being the case did Tino just throw Chryst and his staff under the bus?

That would be a shame considering how Tino should know a lot about how it feels to find yourself on the underside of a Greyhound given the way he was treated last year by Graham.

It’s one thing for the fans to criticize the Coach for failing to make needed adjustments.

It’s a quite another to hear it from the starting quarterback.

Now, before all the unabashed Tino supporters jump in… let me say that he may have a point.

Watching from the fifty yard line of Saturday’s game, it was quite obvious that there was more than one failure to adjust on the part of Chryst and his staff.

Still, I hold back just a little here simply not knowing how much of the lack of “adjustments” might have to do with Tino failing to call the right audibles at the line. Like he hasn’t done that before?

If… and I say if… Tino is throwing Chryst under the bus after this one… what does that say about Tino?

Seems to me there is a story here that needs to be fleshed out by the local press, if it indeed is true. Sounds to me that it very well could be.

Comment by PittofDreams 10.15.12 @ 9:06 am

As for Chryst, Saturday was the first time he has shaken my confidence as to his ability to out-coach the opposition in order to bring a win home.

To me, the game changer Saturday was the failed run on fourth and two at the end of the first half that lead to Lousiville going the other way and getting three. What was Chryst thinking?

If you’re determined to go for it, a better play would have been to throw it to Shanahan who was completely isolated out left with a single defender. The other smart play would have been to punt and pin Louisville down deep.

Last year we had a coach who loved punting the ball on third down. This year we have a coach who doesn’t even think fourth down is for punting.

Obviously, I was wrong in believing Pitt was going to rebound after the “stumble” in Syracuse. Not to mention beginning a three-game win streak going into Notre Dame.

Looks like the three-game win streak will have to begin next week.

Comment by PittofDreams 10.15.12 @ 9:15 am

The 4th down call before the half obviously did not have the desired outcome & I would have preferred a punt. That said, what troubles me the most is PC decision to put the outcome in the hands of the OL. Unfortunately; the OL has not been the consistent run-blocking line. Sitting in the stands I knew they were going to try & pound the ball inside==quick count==big deal. The game plan appears the same for each game. Why not play-action w/a quick swing pass to a back==get out of bounds & maybe PITT kicks a field goal.

Comment by DC33 10.15.12 @ 9:27 am

Please – all Sunday morning quarterbacks please stop it. We lose primarily because the other teams are better than us.

Comment by rayhpgh 10.15.12 @ 9:44 am

There are a lot of Chryst apologists on here. What evidence is there that he is going to be a good HEAD coach? None, besides being able to score meaningless points to make it look not as bad. He has loses winnable games, consistently fails to adjust and makes horrible decisions. A 12 year old playing Madden would have handled the end of the first half in a better way. And not kicking a FG when down two possessions is also a joke. Harper has made about 50% of his FG on the year and I’d say the percentage of the team converting on 4th and long was about 10%. Also if you have no confidence in Harper then get a different kicker. Hold open tryouts at Pitt and get a kicker.

Comment by Wardapalooza 10.15.12 @ 9:46 am

raypgh – No doubt Louisville was a better team than Pitt. One of the best offensive lines in the country for sure allowed Bridgewater to “eat a sandwich” in the backfield while going through his reads. But, you don’t always have to lose to a better team, do you” See LSU this weekend.

Well coached teams find a way to win and overcome adversity. When was the last time Pitt beat a more talented team? WVU …5 years ago. and that’s it.

Also, no doubt that the jury is/and will be out on this coaching staff. After all this program has been through, it’s a wonder they even came to Pitt.

What bothers most of us, is the kind of crap that happens to Pitt Football teams that seems, year after year, to be unique to us.

For instance, I thought K-wan Williams #2, played a terrific game agaisnt Syracuse but he got torched 3x vs L’ville. After the game, Coach Chryst made a point of saying that K-wan was playing on a bad ankle. Now, c’mon coach, surely there has to be another d back/linebacker we have that could have played against one of the finest receivers in the country? Surely, except at Pitt.

We had our longsnapper go down with an injury. Surely we have a # 2 longsnapper on the team? No, in fact we don’t and it cost Pitt a TD and kept Chryst from kicking a “Must” 29 yd FG when it was needed.

Surely we have some uniforms somewhere that are not Navy hand me downs?

Surely, like most Div 1 programs, we have a QB that can throw a pass over 30 yards with a decent arch to hit an open reciever who is running 8 yards beyond his defender. Or who has at least brought us back from any deficit one X in 3 years?
and this rant could run on forever….

In fact, no we don’t. Vince Lombari said it first and I use it in business all the time “take care of the little things and the big things will take care of themselves!”

It’s not the losing to a better team that bugs us, it’s the “same old Pitt” crap that infects this program year after year, coach after coach
that infuriates so many of us who live,eat and breathe Pitt Sports.
And by the looks of the crowd Saturday, that number is dwindling rapidly.

Comment by Dan 72 10.15.12 @ 11:01 am

Rayburgh

Actually myself and others said it on Saturday a little after noon before the ball was snapped.

I guess we might as well just shut down the Blog and call it a season.

Comment by PittofDreams 10.15.12 @ 11:17 am

I was at the game on Saturday. I’m afraid to admit I enjoyed the leg room around me. No one to the left or right. No one in front of me or behind. This is 10 rows behind Pitt’s bench. I also enjoyed no lines to the restroom. Louisville called a timeout; I decided to get a drink and was back before the end of the timeout. My wife commented how she felt bad for the players trying to get the fans on their feet. Sad to say but I didn’t get my ass out of the seat to jump around. I was too comfortable to get up and just knew what the outcome would be. Not to proud of that but I’m honestly not too proud of Pitt football these days. I do think the team is busting their ass but I also believe Pitt isn’t a good football team. Louisville was a better team. Rutgers will be a better team. Temple and Uconn will be toss ups. Sucks no bowl game this year when we really need the practice. I do believe Pitt will be a better team next year but not sure if it’s enough to win 6 games.

The only highlight of the weekend was Groucho Marx winning Pitt Homecoming King.

Comment by why me 10.15.12 @ 11:24 am

With all due respect to a couple posters on here, that have suggested to the effect, just sit back and enjoy or don’t go, and don’t question.

This is a Pitt sports blog. 99% football and basketball and 1% whatever else people bring up.

This is where people vent, talk about the game, discuss the game, the season.

What has gone right, what has gone wrong.

Give their opinion on the games and seasons. Opinions on the future, on the past.

That’s what this is. Don’t you get it?? THAT’S WHAT THIS IS!!!!!!!!!!!!

If not, then why have the blog??

I will also suggest, that we are no different than any other sports fans, college, pro, football, hoops, hockey or baseball.

After a win, you will see many more positive posts and people getting pumped up to maybe the team is on the right track.

After a loss, negativity, and what’s wrong.

If you’re looking for something else, this is not where to find it.

It’s a sports blog about Pitt athletics, and peoples opinions on them.

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 11:42 am

Six games into his first season, it’s too early to look for definitive evidence that Chryst is going to be a successful head coach.

I’m going to draw two parallels here, each relative, each coming from the 2010 season:

LOUISVILLE 2010
Six games into the 2010 season – his first as Louisville’s head coach – Charlie Strong was 3-3.

He had wins over Eastern Kentucky, Arkansas State
and Memphis. He lost to Kentucky (HUGE rival), Oregon State (ranked #25 at the time) and Cincy.

Were Louisville fans panicking in mid-October of 2010, wondering if their program misfired on a guy who was supposed to be the hot young assistant? I’m sure some were. I’d also love to know if any of those same people were among the Louisville fans sitting at Heinz on Saturday morning talking about how their Cards should be national title contenders (as some allegedly were) and how they’re terrified that Strong is going to jump for the Auburn job if Chizik gets canned?

PITT 2010
Let’s also remember that our Pitt program at that same time in 2010 was also 3-3.

That was the last Wannstedt-coached team. It featured Dion Lewis, Ray Graham, Jon Baldwin, Henry Hynoski, Lucas Nix, Chris Jacobsen and Jason Pinkston. On defense, it had the veteran defensive line led by Sheard, Romeus and Myles Caragein, and then Dom Decicco in the secondary.

You could make that argument that the 2010 team from top to bottom was the best team on paper of the Wannstedt era. They lost the opener at Utah, which I think was excusable, given it was Tino’s first game and it’s a tough place to play. They struggled to put away New Hampshire, lost at home to Miami, beat FIU, lost at ND and then blew out a bad Syracuse team.

3-3 at this same point of the season, with what was very likely his best overall team, top to bottom. And that was with a coach who had already built up four full seasons worth of evidence as to his head coaching acumen at this level.

The truth is you don’t know. No one knows how this is going to turn out. There are a lot of things that Chryst has done well. There is very visible progress being made by individual players, and you can see big differences in the way they were used from last year. You can also see shades of the offenses he ran at Wisconsin, which is encouraging as long as he’s able to get a better QB (which happens almost by default next year) and develops a better offensive line. The defense has made some improvements here and there. They’ve struggled against spread offenses, but that seems to be the norm with most teams this day and age in college football.

The situational play-calling needs to improve, but that’s part of the learning curve any first-time head coach gets.

Comment by Stoosh 10.15.12 @ 11:49 am

We got beat by the better team with better players and better coaches. No shame in that. The shame will be if Pitt doesn’t improve in coaching and recruit better players over the next 3 years. I’m tired of having a mediocre football program. Are there any wealthy and influential alumni out there that are willing to open their pocket books for a high priced, proven coach and competent AD? I don’t blame the fans for not showing up to watch the same old Pitt results. It’s just not fun attending the actual game.

Comment by TX Panther 10.15.12 @ 11:52 am

Last year was the worst football I had ever seen in my life, including pee-wee.
This year I see a team improving every game, still making mistakes but improving.
Lack of depth and a QB who when the game is on the line folds and fails miserably. If Tino could only play at the end the way he has been playing for the previous 3 qtrs, we would be fine.
From my observations, I like Coach Chryst and staff.
I may be wrong but that is my opinion.
By the way I thought the year would pan out just as it is, growing pains and learning new system.

Comment by frankarms 10.15.12 @ 11:58 am

Anyone else say this is a “MUST” win on sat?

Comment by alcofan 10.15.12 @ 12:13 pm

I can’t believe were are in the situation we are in with all the coaches here on Pitt Blather. We’d never recruit the wrong player and would make the right play call every single time. We’d probably win every game 100-0 and have 20 national championships by now. Steve Pederson should be fired simply for wasting all this genius at his disposal.

Comment by CNorwoodAZ 10.15.12 @ 12:14 pm

I like Coach Chryst, and believe he deserves several years to prove himself, and get his recruits in.

I believe we are allowed to discuss particular game strategies and calls on a game by game basis.

I was a little disappointed by several of his calls this past Saturday.

This doesn’t mean I want him fired or cheering for him to fail.

It just means I raised my eyebrows a couple times wondering where he was coming from.

He is just a first year head coach, however, I thought a couple of the moves were no-brainers that shouldn’t need a learning curve.

I’m still on his bandwagon though.

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 12:15 pm

As far as recruiting, I’m gonna take the opposite of most after thinking about this for awhile.

I can’t believe some of the very good recruits we’ve had over the last 10 years, knowing that they’re gonna play in that stadium, that is mostly empty, most of the time.

Some talk of getting better recruits, realisticly looking at it, if I’m a 17 or 18 year old hot shot, I wouldn’t even give consideration to coming to Pitt solely on the gameday atmosphere at Heinz Field.

No, I’m not trying to start an on-campus debate, there’s no where to put it. I know that.

But, wow, those yellow seats would turn me off immediately.

So, kudos to Walt, Dave, and Paul for getting anyone really.

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 12:21 pm

“We got beat by the better team with better players and better coaches. No shame in that. The shame will be if Pitt doesn’t improve in coaching and recruit better players over the next 3 years. I’m tired of having a mediocre football program. Are there any wealthy and influential alumni out there that are willing to open their pocket books for a high priced, proven coach and competent AD? I don’t blame the fans for not showing up to watch the same old Pitt results. It’s just not fun attending the actual game”

+1

Comment by pittbluegold 10.15.12 @ 12:23 pm

After the last 30 years of mediocrity at best, I’d probably side with the Blather Coaches!!!!

LOL

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 12:29 pm

Recruits care about getting to the NFL. Not playing in front of packed stadiums. Pittsburgh is a huge NFL town and recruits see that they get to play in a NFL stadium and get to practice in the same place the Steelers do. That’s more important than crowd size.

@frankarms Last year was the worst football you ever saw? Are you kidding me. Pitt was basically 3 plays away from being 10-2 and in a BCS game. This year Pitt is 2-4 with losses to bad teams. Last year’s team would easily beat this year’s team.

Comment by Wardapalooza 10.15.12 @ 12:42 pm

Noone’s rapping wannys Bills d this week. They’re tied for first in their division.

Comment by alcofan 10.15.12 @ 12:43 pm

The Pitt/Temple game is a nooner. And don’t look now, put we have the #8 QB nationally in pass efficiency

link to web1.ncaa.org

I think the coaches will be great here. In the 4th quarter, Harper has been pushing long field goals all year and our long snapper has been hurt (see the botched snap on the punt). We would have made the first down had Tino been able to put the ball anywhere near a wide open Saddler. Also, the play before Shanahan dropped what my be his first pass of the year.

Just beat Buffalo, South Florida, and UConn on the road (they all stink) and Temple at home and we’ll make a bowl. If we survive Notre Dame’s defense, that is!

Comment by KeyboardKev 10.15.12 @ 1:09 pm

@wardapalooza. I’ll give you that. However, if that was totally the case, then we would have nothing but 4 and 5 stars. So, there must be some other things in the decision process.

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 1:24 pm

Isn’t there anyone on here, that has a connection to some DMV of some state, where we could get a bulk discount on buying about 30,000 crash test dummies.

Put blue Pitt sweatshirts on them, and fill in.

That’s a hideous scene down there.

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 1:26 pm

If you sort on yards per attempt, Tino is 6 and Geno Smith is 12 so Tino must be attempting and completing some decent length passes

Comment by Pitt Dad 10.15.12 @ 1:35 pm

Please – all Sunday morning quarterbacks please stop it. We lose primarily because the other teams are better than us.
Comment by rayhpgh 10.15.12 @ 9:44 am

Sorry rayhpgh, I have a hard time believing Youngstown State and Syracuse are better than us.

Those two aren’t better than Va Tech, who we dominated. So…draw your own conclusions.

As for Louisvlle, that game was lost due to poor coaching decisions on the field and the lack of adjustments in the locker room at the half.
And draw your own conclusions to that as well.

Comment by Emel 10.15.12 @ 1:40 pm

You know you’re gettin’ a bit older, when you spend more time looking at the Aaron Rogers Pizza Hut ad than you do at the girls on the right!!

LOL

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 1:53 pm

Emel

Not sure what games you are watching. YSU dominated us on both sides of ball. Syracuse beat us so they are better too. And we have since found out VT is not a good team this year. Conclusion – we are somewhere between a poor and an average team. We won’t know until the end of the season.

Comment by rayhpgh 10.15.12 @ 2:05 pm

I believe I know what PC’s problem is concerning these strange decisions that someone aptly said:
a 12 yr old playing Madden would correctly make.

He’s making these decisions based on what an Offensive Coordinator would do. And those guys always think their plays are gonna work, and they invariably want to go for short 4rth downs.

It’s the Head Coach who has to weigh the enthusiasm of his OC and his ambitions of always thinking his plays are going to work and almost always ‘wanting to go for it’ with the reality of the consequences of that play and decision, should that play NOT WORK.

A Head Coach is sort of like a Judge, in that he has to listen to all these voices, consider what they have to say and then apply some sanity to the proceedings. And apply the law. And in that regard there are certain laws (axioms) in football that most successful Head Coaches tend to follow.

So what PC needs to do is start thinking like a Head Coach and not an Offensive Coordinator.

HTP
VEV
GRP

Comment by Emel 10.15.12 @ 2:13 pm

@ rayh

lol, Yes I watched the YSU game and the Cuse game.
Just because you lose to a team, doesn’t make them better than you. Appalachian State beat Michigan the other year, do you seriously think App State was really better than Michigan ?
Last year James Madison beat Va Tech, were they better than Va Tech? I could list lots of these examples, the point is, the better team didn’t win, for whatever reason. In most cases these teams weren’t prepared to play (see YSU vs PITT).

For all of these teams that won were 2-4 TD underdogs, so according to the experts, they were not better. They were not even expected to be in the game.

So I know what I’m watching, and I’m watching PITT lose to teams like a D2 team(YSU) and Syracuse, who are not better than PITT. Which is why we are ALL SO MAD. Get it !

Comment by Emel 10.15.12 @ 2:24 pm

Emel

I live in reality. Seems like you may not. Odds are set to balance the betting, not determine who is the better team. Pitt is not a good team.

Comment by rayhpgh 10.15.12 @ 2:31 pm

“You are what your record says you are”

Bill Parcells

Comment by Pitt Dad 10.15.12 @ 2:37 pm

Oh I don’t have to wait to the end of the season to determine what kind of team this is. It’s average at best, as I and Reed were just about the only ones in the pre-season forecast blog, that suggested PITT would go 7-5. And that’s average !
Would you expect anything above average with a QB who can’t complete a 20 yard pass, hit wide open receivers on go routes or play with any semblance of a 5th yr senior in the 4rth Quarter.
And we knew that before the season started.

After losing to YSU and Cuse, which EVERYONE had as a W, I revised my prediction to 5-7. But 4-8 is more likely now.

Comment by Emel 10.15.12 @ 2:37 pm

Ok. I’ll admit it. Have to get away this weekend so I am off to Buffalo. Will I be the only Pitt fan there

Comment by SFPitt 10.15.12 @ 2:39 pm

@rayh

You might live in your reality, which I have no idea of what that is. Odds are set on who the experts think is the better team. For the most part the favorites win. Sure there are upsets, but for another example, since it seems you need some more.

The Steelers lost a couple years ago to a 3 win Oakland Raiders team, were the Raiders better than the Steelers in the whole scheme of things?

I await your answer to see exactly what kind of reality you live in.

Comment by Emel 10.15.12 @ 2:43 pm

SFPitt – For good wings, Duffs on Sheridan Drive which is nearby campus. For good beer and eats, try the Buffalo Brew Pub on Main Street in Williamsville. UB has a very nice suburban campus. I got my MBA there.

Comment by TX Panther 10.15.12 @ 3:05 pm

@Dan I know there are other things about the recruiting process. I’m just saying that the NFL aspect of Heinz field probably outweighs the subpar atmosphere when it comes to recruits. Heinz Field when packed for on the rare occasion for a Pitt game is actually a pretty decent experience.

@Emel you are spot on. A loss to a team doesn’t mean you are the worse team. It just means you played worse on that given day and they played worse on that given day. There is no way the Cuse are a better team than Pitt. They scored half of their points on a flukey fumble recovery. Chryst was happy to run a ton with Graham until the very end of the game when Pitt was in FG range.

Comment by Wardapalooza 10.15.12 @ 4:05 pm

Since Sunseri is likely to pass Marino this year in terms of total yards, will the Steelers make the mistake of passing on him in the first round of the draft like they did with Marino?

Comment by 66Goat 10.15.12 @ 4:37 pm

Emel good point regarding HC thinking versus OC.

However, Chryst is a gambler. That was evident while he was still at Wisconsin.

Here’s what I’m hoping. If Chryst is able to find a QB who is a playmaker, enough of the gambles will pay off to pull off some wins.

For instance, had Pitt had Bridgewater on Saturday… does anybody here think Pitt would not have won the game?

Comment by PittofDreams 10.15.12 @ 5:36 pm

@SFPITT, you are a hard, bold, Pitt Panther fan!!

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 6:36 pm

Allthough, should be a beautiful drive!!!!!

Comment by Dan 10.15.12 @ 6:37 pm

Rayhpgh, the loss to YSU was horrible. To say the better team won is nonsense. We lost because the team was completely unprepared by the coaching staff. I’m serious when I say this: If YSU and Pitt played 1,000 times, Pitt should win 999 times. There is just no comparison between the two teams or their programs. The only way we lose to YSU is to work really hard at it. That game was such a poor effort by the coaches and the players that our season was over the second that game was over. All is not lost, there is always next year. HTP

Comment by HbgFrank 10.15.12 @ 8:45 pm

Damn this PITT blog is getting longer after each game. Not sure that it is the disgust in the program or the lack of a new topic by Chas. Either way it is interesting to see the growth in the popularity over the last few years. Credit to Chas.

My thoughts. Hold the horses cowboys! It is the first season for a new head coach with players that were recruited by three different coaches. That is akin to three different people going to the supermarket and coming home with redundant supplies / food. “You got what you got” which isnt exactly what the new cook might have ordered. Can’t make filet if the shoppers forgot the filet.

We all knew that this year was going to be a bust. Why are we all decompensating like we were on our way to the national championship (See WVU) and then the floor fell out? This is a learning year for the coach and the young players. Next year will be better and so on and so on (as long as we stick with one head coach and allow him to succeed). Coaches need 3-4 years to prove themselves as do players. Consider this year 1!

I personally am simply looking to see what type of character this team displays as that is best indicator of the type of coach we have. Remember the feeling after the YSU game? I thought that we would not win one game. Then came the opening 5 mins of U.C. and I was certain that we were doomed for Paul Hackett like defeats. To my surprise the team has become competitive. They have been in every game that they have played since the UC game. That shows me a lot about the character being instilled by the coaches on these players.

I am patient and will give it time. I expect growth in year 2,3… I expect a good solid competitive recruiting class. This year is a bust and we knew it from the outset. Let’s continue to provide the support and get through the season.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 10.15.12 @ 9:11 pm

@TXPanther.
I am going to go with the wings suggestion. When in Buffalo.
Thanks TX. anyone care to join me?

Comment by SFPitt 10.15.12 @ 9:50 pm

It’s tme to put football to rest for 2012 and focus on basketball.

Comment by pitt1972 10.15.12 @ 10:44 pm

Pitt fan in Atlanta: all I can say is ‘word.’

Comment by panther94 10.15.12 @ 11:25 pm

We have a football program?????

Comment by Marco 10.15.12 @ 11:47 pm

so it’s worth going for the 4th and 1 before halftime so hopefully we can get into position for a long field goal but then down 10 it is best to not attempt a field goal to cut the lead to 7 since we have no confidence in our kicker. i just can’t understand that logic. if you have no confidence in the kicker then punt the football before half. it makes no sense to go for it then but then later to not kick the field goal. and i guess it isn’t on the coaching when you go into halftime up 4 and then get outscored 21-0 in the third quarter. i guess it isn’t the job of the coach to make halftime adjustments. and i also guess it is against the law to put in ray graham and russell shell at the same time. or lets just continue to run the ball up the middle and expect a different result. dave wannstedt all over again. thanks to all the fans who wanted walt harris gone. oh where we could have been.

Comment by druc 10.16.12 @ 1:23 am

Wait a second. You are clamoring for the days of Walt Harris? The same Walt Harris that failed miserably at Stanford and was fired at Stanford after only 2 years? The same Walt Harris who couldn’t keep a job as Cal(PA)’s offensive coordinator? The same Walt Harris who engineered “the slide”, “the swinging gate”, and the “spread experiment”?

Oh yeah…”Where could we have gone”…

Comment by ECH 10.16.12 @ 7:12 am

Wait for basketball season? Not too long ago (during basketball season) people were saying wait until football season…

Some people on this blog say Pitt is not a good football team; in my opinion, some Pitt fans are fair weather fans at best. If Pitt is your school you should back it, win or lose. Besides, it’s only football. Some people on this blog go way over the top with their comments on why Pitt football is this or that but usually condemn Pitt when they lose.

For those too critical on Pitt football, give Pitt’s opponents some credit for playing better and coming out a winner. Let’s be good sports here. Imagine what we would do in the fall if Pitt administrator’s decided to drop the football program all together.

Pitt football enjoyed many succesful years; there have also been many not so successful years. BUT we are Pitt and let’s support our team, WIN or LOSE. Otherwise, you’re only a fair weather Pitt fan.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 10.16.12 @ 7:43 am

Everything on this Blog has been said a million times already. “We suck.” “Tino is a bum.” “Chryst can’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag.” “We might as well drop to the MAC.” “Fire the D Coordinator.” How about we all just relax a little bit and support the program for a minute?
I hate mediocrity as much as the next guy. Actually, what I hate more than mediocrity is what we currently are…below mediocre. However, no program in the country has been through more coaching changes over the past two years than we have. The changing of systems, new coaches, negative press, etc., etc. all takes a toll.
We bitch and moan about empty stadiums, the lack of an athletic budget and everything else under the sun. Yet, we contribute to the problem by coming on here and focusing on every single negative thing we can get our hands on. How about we try an opposite approach for once? How about we support the program? Oh wait we won’t do that because Pederson is the AD and we think we sucks. I understand he sucks. But there’s not much many of us can do about it (some of you may have some pull, I frankly have none) and that’s not the players fault either. I know Chryst handled the clock management before halftime poorly. Does he need to get better? Hell yes! But overall what did we expect? He is a first year coach. Did we think he would walk in and be Nick Saban? Hell, even Nick Saban wasn’t Nick Saban in his first year at Bama! The list goes on and on.
I know we are all tired of the same old Pitt. But these players have been dealt a rough hand and the current coaching staff isn’t responsible for the past 30 years – they’ve been on the job less than a year. We need to vastly improve fast! But I’m not sure what everyone expected 6 games in the Chryst era.

Comment by JAM 05 Pitt 10.16.12 @ 9:07 am

i’m not a stanford fan. i’m a pitt fan. and yes the same walt harris who took pitt to a bcs bowl game. 5 straight bowl games. yeah you read that right. 5 straight. brought college gameday to pitt. beat va tech 3 straight times. made pitt better than rutgers, wvu. had pitt competing with miami . a miami team who was playing for the title every year and sending how many players pro since they were buying players at that time and yet pitt couldn’t bea them and we needed to get over the hump. i’ll take being back on the hump since now we have fallen behind wvu, rutgers, temple, and lville and syracuse. but yea ECH you have no clue what you are talking about. i guess your a wanny supporter right? want to compare wanny to walt and see who wins that one by a landslide.

Comment by druc 10.16.12 @ 11:59 pm

but yeah i guess pitt fans like ECH rather not play in bcs bowls or go to bowls at all since that is what has happened since walt left. that isn’t to say walt didnt have faults or make horrible calls. but at the end of the day where were we and where are we now. we’ve went backwards and yet he inherited a pitt program that was horrible and moved it forward and had us ranked and playing in a bcs bowl. but thats right he wasn’t a pitt guy like wanny.

Comment by druc 10.17.12 @ 12:02 am

Yes, yes. I must be a Wanny apologist because I simply pointed out that not only was Walt a mediocre coach, with a mediocre record, who had little to no success elsewhere and made his own fair share of boneheaded decisions while HC at Pitt.

You are totally right druc, I haven’t a clue. We all should celebrate getting shredded in the Fiesta Bowl by Utah after a stellar 4 way tie atop a depleted Big East…after all, we should aspire to being “competitive” and playing in 5 straight years of meaningless exhibition games in December.

Walt was allowed to walk for the same reasons Wanny was canned, and Foge, Hackett and Majors2 before him over the last 30 years…they didn’t win enough in general and didn’t win enough of the important games in specific.

I seriously can’t believe that some people look back on a shared championship and a bowl game slaughter so fondly.

Walt did a very good job resurrecting a program that was left for dead. I genuinely like Walt and saw first hand how he injected life into the team. But, if by your opinion he was such a great coach and was poised to steer the Pitt program to continued “BCS level success”…why is he unemployed now? Why couldn’t he find success at Stanford? Why was he unable to keep an OC job at a D2 school?

This bullshit myopic backward comparison of one failed coach vs another is part of the problem. This shouldn’t be a Wanny v Walt debate. That is pointless. It should be about what gets the Pitt program to the higher level of college football that those two gentlemen were not able to accomplish.

Comment by ECH 10.18.12 @ 11:32 am

Matt N. – WTF are you talking about?

Comment by Reed 10.19.12 @ 7:52 am

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