Ahhhh. The one silver lining to Pitt’s Thursday night game. Sitting back all day with some nice beer and watching college football until my eyes bleed. No stress over what Pitt will do. Able to take breaks as needed. Fall asleep on the couch for stretches. Appreciating the misery of other teams losing. I’m looking at you Miami, Iowa, Colorado… and yes, Penn State.
One of the games I took a particular interest in was the Wisconsin-Oregon State game. Probably as much as Pitt Coach Paul Chryst took in the game given his mentor and place where he got his start at the 1-A level versus his alma mater and place that made him a reasonably hot head coaching candidate.
A chance to see what the program looks like without Paul Chryst directing the offense. And perhaps to get a glimpse of what we hope to see Pitt become. Instead, it led to some other questions and a bit of speculation.
Wisconsin came into Corvallis ranked #13, and exited with a 10-7 loss. Shut out for almost the entire game — scoring that TD with 1:31 left.
What really was noticeable in the game, the lack of a Wisconsin running game despite Monte Ball and the vaunted Wisky O-line. Not to mention seeing Danny O’Brien under constant pressure — taking 4 sacks.
This followed a less than outstanding effort against Northern Iowa — but at least they could beat a 1-AA team. Leading to Badger questions about how much they miss Paul Chryst running the offense.
Of course, at the Pitt end, the offense under Chryst isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. And after watching the Wisconsin-Oregon St. game, I’m wondering if both teams are missing the same guy. No, not Russell Wilson. Bob Bostad.
I have not hidden my concern that Bostad taking the O-line coaching position for Tampa Bay in the NFL rather than being Pitt’s offensive coordinator was a big deal.
It’s hard to say that there is much of a change to the Pitt O-line as far as performance. Still really poor pass protection. The run-blocking is adequate at times, but it seems more often than not it is the talent carrying the ball that seems to be making things happen.
But Wisconsin? Not only was O’Brien sacked four times against a Oregon State team that went 3-9 last year and allowed 21 points or more in every game. Monte Ball was limited to 60 yards on 15 carries (with 14 coming on one carry).
Against UNI, Wisconsin still surrendered 3 sacks. While Ball went for 120 yards, it took 32 carries and 37 yards came on 3 carries.
The Wisconsin offense, and the offense Chryst wants to run depends on a strong, stout O-line. Disciplined, well coached and able to play above their recruiting rankings/initial talent evaluations. Neither seems to have that this year. And to varying degrees both are struggling.
It may seem premature, but I think both the coaches and the fanbases underestimated (or wanted to downplay) just what kind of impact Bostad had on coaching the O-line. How the coaches for their respective programs address the issue is unknown.
although you can point at Bostad… the bigger Wisky issue is 6 New coaches…
and the score was 10-7…
Pitt was blown out in 2 games..
One of the big traditions is the uniform, and why I vent on here often, about my hatred for uni’s such as Oregon and Maryland.
Two things happened tonight for me.
I add yet another team to my list. Missouri.
Absolutely hideous. Had nice ones, sweet helment with a big M, unmistakable Black and Gold, and now, frankly they look like crap.
The second thing, was my neice walking by the tv, and un-knowingly hitting the nail on the head with my hatred of these teams going with this futuristic crap.
“what’s up the one team wearing Arena Ball uniforms?”
That’s it, some of these teams look like Arena Ball.
Well, if that’s the most I have to bitch at, I guess things are ok.
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT mind would seek a job to work under PEDERSON.
But Pederson had to hired and retained by someone and they too are fools.
Actually, they treat Pitt fans like cow dung and Pitt fans take it…who then are the fools?
VOMIT WARNING. Arizona State 45 Illinois 14
I would bet, Penn State will easily keep up with us on recruiting the next couple years, even with sanctions, and probably beat us both times coming up.
We might as well hope WVU wins the National Championship, and just throw the last shovel of dirt on us, on their way out!!
However, I did notice, that Arizona States quarterback was extremely sharp.
Not big at all, actually skinny, and kind of skrawny from what I could tell.
He was in fact though, in charge of the offense. He knew his reads, got the ball out, and was extremely on target.
He also knew when to pull the ball down, and take off, and he did have speed.
He had somewhat better protection than Tiny, but by no means was he able to just sit there.
The crowd, including what looked like about 20k students, could care less right now about Graham’s character and how he left Pitt, or any jabs Pitt fans threw their way before the season about Graham.
It’s enough to make you literally sick to your stomach.
So Pitt will be 0-3 instead of 1-2.
Pitt improved from game one to game two. Even Ron Cook admitted that. If Pitt had a QB the game would have been very close. Give these coaches a chance.
Gardner Webb starts a new season.
You don’t beat these teams by outscoring them (unless you can match their speed) … you beat them by slowing the game down and take them out of rhythm. Auburn won the title over Oregon 2 years ago (even with Cam Newton) 22-19, and the the player of the game was a DT (Farley.)
Not only was Tino overmatched, the entire OL was. Before you can use high octane, you need an 8 cylinders hemi
I want you all to pause and think. Before you declare chryst a failure think of all the problems chryst has to deal with. Pitt basically has lost 2 consecutive recruiting classes and the players appear to not give a damn. Chryst needs and should get at least 3 years before firing him is even a thought in our minds. Frank beamer had a sub .500 record through 6 years. Chryst not only needs to change the roster, but the mindset of his players and the culture of the program. Now, im all for giving guys time, but i think that from what i see recruiting wise and on the field discipline that breckterfield and haering probably need to go.
Pitt doesn’t have that.
Get rid of S&C coach…
Also, dump most of the roster… those that don’t put the work in… those that are a drag on the team… those that are a distraction…
You all can blame the coaches all you want but they aint freakin miracle workers and Pitt aint an elite program. Chryst and Co. inherited a piss poor team. He** Graham realized it and booked.
As for Voytik it is irrational for him to play WHEN HE IS NOT READY and Chryst knows this. It is what it is and you all have to except it and deal with it or just wallow in your self-imposed misery. It is as simple as that.
As for randy randy get a life you loser. You are not a Pitt fan…
piitisit, Tino was and never will be a good QB, and even more disappointing, he seemed to be worse the other night than he was as a sophomore (1st year starter.) But how you don’t see the OL is that bad amazes me. Didn’t the announcers even point out how much of a beating Tino has taken over the past 2 years? Twice the other night, he was blindslided by a rusher who was barely blocked (the 1st time causing a fumble.) Yet, the excuse is always that he should have just thrown the pass away … it is always the QB fault!
Even if you want to believe all 60 sacks last year was Tino’s fault (which of course is silly) how much better off would Pitt have been with 30 less sacks and 30 more incompletions?
You could tell with Fraud, almost identical offense that he used here.
They executed it, and well.
Are we absolutely crap on talent?? I mean compared ot the rest of the country. Even the mediocre teams, seem to have some players.
Have we sunk, lower than most of us even know, talent wise????
Pitt has crap for talent… slow and weak..
PK thank you for telling randy what he is thanks kenny for the same.
I know the system changes would be hard on any qb but this isn’t about Tino, it’s about the program. Let’s start building for the future. Playing him doesn’t accelerate the rebuilding effort.
very few good players.
I wasnet sure if it was coaching or lack of talent i knew tino was bad but i wasent sure abought the rest.
But now we know becuse if he can do that with az
state it means we have no players.
are AD has put us in this mess it will take years to get out.
Veritus et Virtus
I’d like to propose a trade to PSU:
We give them Tino, Devin Street, DC Dave Huxtable, 5 cases of Todd Graham’s special High Octane Energy Drink, the Continental Tire Bowl and CBI trophies because they haven’t won a game in 14 years and a bag of used jock straps in return for
PSU’s two back up quarterbacks, a sewing machine and letter patches so we could get names on the back of our uniforms, and their horrible kicker. (We would need the kicker to complain about with Tino being gone.)
It was not just a lack of players talent he knew
he had for years to fix that.
His wife was not the queen of the ball here
just another coachs wife but he would have over
looked that if outher things had not happened.
The 2 coachs that left him and went with dick rod
really made him nuts he needed them very badley
and he knew it.
then and i dont know if you all remmber this but
he wanted to hire some coach it was a small
story in the post i think and he had to run the hire past the AD i dont know why maybe all hire go thru him.
and for some reason peterson the AD told him no
so very soon after that he was going.
i think that is what he ment abought the AD sticking his nose into things.
so add it up
1 lack of talent
2 wife unhappy
3 coachs that he thinks he need leave
4 cant hire who he wants AD PISS HIM OFF
GONE
“What the one common denominator between Pitt’s struggles last year and Pitt’s struggles this year?”
It’s not Graham and it’s not Chryst.
Joe says the main reason Wisky is struggling is because they have six new coaches (above). At last count we have 8 new coaches (?), but Joe doesn’t cut Pitt a break for such an important piece of the puzzle.
ASU used two QB’s with equal effectiveness last night, not one. Their qb’s are so far ahead of tino as far as understanding. Forget the athletic ability, tino does not have the football mentality. “OOps, I threw the football too high and it took too much time off the clock coach”. That was his second mental collapse in three plays fellas. Tino let at least 13 seconds run off the clock after they spotted the ball for a first down with 25 seconds left. The clock started on the placement but tino for some reason forgot the most basic rule.
As far as Pederson goes, he shouldn’t get the credit for the Pete. A wealthy donor gave that money to Pitt. Believe me, when you have hundreds of millions of dollars, you don’t just spend it when some nit wit AD says “hey, we could really use your cash to do great things”. The guy didn’t make hundreds of millions listening to the likes of a pederson. The donor does what he wants with his money. Any AD at Pitt would have been that beneficiary, just so happened it was Pederson.
Arizona State’s two quarterbacks last night
T. Kelly 10.4 YPA
M. Eubank 13.8 YPA
Tino Sunseri… same offense (2011) 6.5 YPA
More than any other stat, YPA (Yards Per Attempt) reflect efficiency… throwing to the right guy at the right time!
The good news is this year in two blowouts Chryst has managed to improve Tino to 7.7 YPA.
The bad news is that even 7.7 isn’t going to get it done in close games against good teams with good quarterbacks.
Next quarterback…. please!
the quality of his first recruiting class.
Please do not le the AD hire anyone. PC may be successful however would the probably for success be greater if Pitt hired a coach with head coaching experience???? This situation is very painful for us after all it has been thirty years of mediocrity.
@ Dan, if you actually think Tino Sunseri is the “least” of Pitt’s problems then you fail to comprehend how a football team’s psychological dynamics function.
It is extremely difficult to perform up to one’s true physical potential when you harbor a pessimistic mental attitude. The mind leads, the body follows.
This team KNOWS Tino Sunseri does not possess the goods to bring home the “W”. When this mindset infects a team’s spirit it breeds defeatism. When you lose hope you are doomed.
Then you go on to comment on how the young ASU QB helps out his team with his ability to improvise on the fly with quick decision making,,,,, skills lacking in Mr. Sunseri’s play.
The most important positon on a football team is QB! The Pitt QB performance is FAR FROM the “least” of this team’s problems. In contrast it is the essence of this team’s problems.
Pittastic sums it up succintly. “We can’t underestimate the lack of faith this team has in Tino. I think it permeates into everything the team does, it effects the o-line, defense and the overall effort the team demonstrates on gameday.
I know the system changes would be hard on any qb but this isn’t about Tino, it’s about the program. Let’s start building for the future. Playing him doesn’t accelerate the rebuilding effort”.
Now Kenny says that it is “irrational” for Coach Chryst to start Voytik “WHEN HE IS NOT READY”. Well, I feel it is irrational to start Sunseri when he has clearly demonstrated that with his inadequate skills and decision making abilities that he consistently brings home loses.
This first year as a HC for Chryst is a tough gig. However his success will be judged more by his actions this year than by the team’s win/lose record for THIS season. As I previously stated in another thread, the single most important coaching decision that Coach Chryst SHOULD make this season is to sit Tino on the bench.
If Chryst wants to truly change this team’s minset and build for the future he must look to young players to contribute now so as to begin building that future today. IF HE IMMEDIATELY DEMONSTRATES BY HIS ACTIONS THAT HE IS WILLING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO CHANGE THIS TEAM’S MINDSET,THEN THIS TEAM WILL RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.
You want to see the O Line protect the QB better, then put in a QB that can flush himself out of a collapsing pocket anD get some positive yardage with his feet without running face first smack into the first defender that he can find.
You want to see the receivers running with more heart and commitment to their routes, then give them the hope that their QB will hit them with a pass once in awhile when they fight to get wide open 30 yards down field.
You want to see this team’s spirit improve overnight, then put Tino Sunseri on the bench against Gardner-Webb and start the future QB of this program Chad Voytik. Coach Chryst has two weeks to get him ready.
I say let Voytik prove that Voytik is not ready by a “trial by fire” initiation. IMO, Sunseri has already proved that HE is not ready, “STILL”, based on his performance against Cincy.
Oh, and BTW, RandyRandyTime, I defend your privledge to wine about how awful Pitt’s administration and football team sucks, and I’m glad to learn that you won’t be spending another cent on anything Pitt for the rest of your life. Now if we could just also convince you to NOT spend a second more of your valuable time in expressing your opinions on this blog, then everybody here will be happier.
I much perfer the forward thinking optimistic attitude of notrocketscience rather than the winey loser attitude that you possess. We have plenty of that loser karma to go around already.
Pitt will be back. When, I have no fucking clue! But when they are I’ll be there rooting them on.
HAIL TO PITT!
An empty Heinz Stadium (10,000 or less)=’s a new AD. $$$$ talks much louder than words.
Pitt fans must walk away from going to games this year! Yeah, I know it look lousy on TV, however, you can rest assured that it will become a major topic of discussio…Pederson MUST GO!!
Pitt then drives down and scores tying TD, but then YSU gets the ball back and scores another TD on a long drive. ALL TINO’s FAULT!
Cincy hands the ball off to their RB up the middle on the 1st play from scrimmage and he goes 60 yds untouched …. ALL TINO’s FAULT!
All of you, keep your heads in the sands!!
right now. Voytik is def faster and more fleet of foot than Sunseri which will allow him to escape and create when the line breaks down . Next , voytik has just as good of a chance as a “not ready ” freshman Qb to complete a 3rd down pass as tino has as a 5th year senior. With the apparent run heavy play calling ahead of us , Chryst is not gonna ask any Qb to do alot this year so by inserting voytik it allows him to gain valuable game time experience which in turn will acclimate him alot better to D1 game speed then holding a clip board will do, just ask Teddy Bridgewater from Louisville . Hail to Pitt!
but if you cant see how bad tino is then you are
blind did any one make a fifth year sr let the time run out when he threw the ball theu the up
right.
i could go on and list many things he has done wrong and if he were a freshmen i would say no big deal.
but he is a 3 year starter and if you think the outhers on the team dont know what a fuck up he is and if you think that does not effect there play you are kiding your self.
they know he cant throw long they know he hurts there chance to win and that works on there mind
and if you dont know that you dont know people
to win you first have to think you can and when they look at tino some of that goes away becuse he put them behind ehe 8 ball from the start.
you must see that dont you.
Some of the slowest players I’ve seen.
One of the worst defenses I’ve seen, with players out of position, players taking wrong angles, corners turning their heads too late, or never turning their heads at all.
Some of the most uninspired and un-fired up play I’ve seen in I can’t remember when.
Half of them look like they’re running in cement, and as slow as that makes them look, not knowing where they’re going makes them even slower.
You can throw out all the psycological mumbo jumbo you want, ain’t gonna help this defense.
Besides, I’m not defending Tino Sunseri, I thought he was the root of all that was ill on this team last year.
This team has devolved into what could be, riding the crest of the wave, that could become, something similar to Johnny Major II.
Yep, Tino sucks, but if you think changing a qb is gonna change the whole team, I’ll be waiting for the rabbit to come out of your hat right after that!!!
Tino steeeeenks, and the talent level we have on the rest of team, is bordering on div II football.
I can’t remember the last time I saw a slower, more confused, uninspired lot play on a Saturday.
I’m just saying, it is just so much more this year. So, so much more.
I would still like someone to follow up on several posters last weeks comments.
Could have been just guys venting, but, three different guys????
They all had the comment, the DC doesn’t even want to be here!!!
Anyone else here of this, the guy doesn’t want to be here?? I never saw that story, or a Chas or Reed post on it, yet, several different people commented on it last week.
Anyone else know of this to be true, or what the jist of it is???
chryst is are coach and will be for at least 3
years if we change coach now we look like biger
fools then we already are.
so we must support chryst the asst coach not
so mutch we can change any and all if need be
so they are fair game we can go after them if
they are bad.
let us hope chryst can see how bad tino is and sits him down the youg player who screw up try
not to get on them becuse they will be lurning as they play.
but the sr and jr are fair game them we get on if need be.
it will take time let us hope for the best
let us hope peterson are wonerful AD is fired or quits or retires or is beamed up on to a UFO.
I personally don’t think Bradshaw or Brady could help this team.
Each year, with each coaching change, it has devolved just a little bit more with the amount of talent we have.
Little by little, 3 or 4 more coaches in 3 years, to the point of I don’t know what is on that field.
I saw a lot of games yesterday on the tube, and I did not see one team Pitt could have beaten. Not one.
Even Illinois, who ASU beat, would beat Pitt.
We’re sunk brothers!!!
Is Johnny Majors still around, throw him on the field, and might as well lable it
Johnny Majors III
if you were on the team how mutch reliance
confidence whould you have in tino to manage the time hit the long pass to the WR to not take the sack bye throwing the ball away to take the team
to victory that is easy none zip no way forget
it who could have confidence in him that is how he effects the team in a bad way .
I know of no one who would be allowed that many Mulligans. The impromptu firing of Wanny. Heyward, Graham. And does anyone remember Zeise believing that Holgorsen was headed to Pitt? Perhaps he is a womanizer and a boozer, but how is WVU doing with him at the helm? But worry not, Pederson never even considered him. UGH!!!
Pederson screwed the pooch in Nebraska and he screwed the whole pack at Pitt!!!
“Now Kenny says that it is “irrational” for Coach Chryst to start Voytik “WHEN HE IS NOT READY”. Well, I feel it is irrational to start Sunseri when he has clearly demonstrated that with his inadequate skills and decision making abilities that he consistently brings home loses.”
Sorry Dr. Tom but Voytik has shown what, a few good practices and from this it can be concluded he is ready? I anit buying that BS. It is irrational to send a true Freshman QB whom has only been on campus for little over a month in the lions den that is this Pitt Team. All of you whom expect him to good experience are fooling yourselves. The experience he will get as a novice at this level of lay will be a bad one and not conducive to giving him the confidence he needs to strive at this level.
QB play takes confidence not only in one’s bility but also in the system and most importantly the O and D players around him. Maybe he will be confident and have the coaches’ confidence later on this season but that is based primarily on two things as far as fans are concerned. Tino is bad and unrealistic expectations in respect to CV. There is no other way to color it.
On a side note if you want randy randy to spew his hatred of this football program that is just as much your right as mine to be against him….
all the old timers on here were mad at me becuse i kept saying get holgorsen over and over
i even wrote are AD peterson to get Holgorsen .
but did he listen to me NO.
O well water over the dam
shit in one hand and wish in the outher
that the way the cookie crumbles
down with tino up with any one else
god save the queen
veritus et virtus et vires et decus honestas
Again, i dont want to hear about how pitts not recruiting well. Id like to see some guys like haering and breckterfield gone because frankly the front 7 isnt good, but theyre NOT this bad. Plus those two coaches havent done squat recruiting wise. Its pretty obvious that chryst is going to go over their available scholly number for the 2013 class, which i love. Why? Because that means hell be dropping some of the dead weight on this team. Get rid of guys that have scholarships but clearly dont cut it. Chryst still needs to bring in 3 more d linemen, 3 or possibly 4 more o linemen(including dj), 2 or 3 more linebackers (al rasheed benton and maybe zayd issah), another tight end, 2 more wide recievers (including foster). Thats put pitt at
Now for a brief moment on TG. Yes he is 2-0 and who is complaining (for now). Win against a lower seed B10 school in Illinois without their starting QB or WR. Win against Norther AZ? Come on folks. It TG. No one ever said that he could put up points against average teams. He did it last year at PITT. The question is can he beat better than average teams?
YOU HEARD IT HERE. 6-6
N Az – W (1-0)
Illinois -W (2-0)
@ Mizzou – L (2-1)
Utah – W (3-1)
@ Cal – L (3-2)
@ Colorado – W (4-2)
Oregon – L (4-3)
UCLA – L (4-4)
@ Oregon St -W (5-4)
@ USC – L (5-5)
Wash St – W (6-5)
@ AZ – L (6-6)
The guy will be 6-6 with a 1 W, 1 L spread so 5-7 or 7-5 is possible. Its the same gimmicky stuff and eventually it comes to an end against solid teams. I watched the game last night and they didnt so much win as Illinois lost with multiple INT’s in on their own side of the field. 2nd and 3rd string QB for Illinois. TG is still a fraud folks.
If you follow VT every year you know, especially when they have a young team, that they start incredibly slow but by the end of the year Beamer has them playing great football.
Chryst will do the same.
And for whoever keeps encouraging a mass boycott, you can go off with the dozens of Pirates fans who walked out and made such a difference a few years ago. I’ll keep showing up, thanks.
Its time to send a strong message and play the more talented kids and let them get better. When Tino started the first game in 2010, he had less game time experience than Anderson does now, so enough with the nervous nellie “experience” horsesh#t and make the switch to Anderson. Yes, Voytik is a true freshman, but so what…if he’s a gamer, he’s a gamer.
Bring in Sal Sunseri as DC…
if you can pry him away from TN…
Sunseri is a cancer effecting the performance of the entire team. Not accepting that fact is a major mistake when considering how this team is currently performing.
Will benching Tino solve all of Pitt’s problems? Hell no! But it is a first step in transforming this team into something else, other than it is right now. It will surely demonstrate the fact that the coaching staff is looking to the future rather than depending on the past when making decisions concerning who plays and who sits.
This also needs to be done at any other position that is being manned by a starter that has experience but is not giving 100% or who’s performance stinks. The youth on this team is it’s future. Play them now. Yeah we will still stink, but,,,,,,,it will be a growing process and next year we will have a lot of young guys with true game experience.
This will also demonstrate to future recruits that Chryst is sincere when he says, “come to Pitt because you’ll play early if you’re good enough”. Actions speak louder than words.
We KNOW our future with Tino and I’m finished with that experiment.
I am an Ohio State grad and proud of it. The good, the bad and th ugly because in the end, results matter and about 15 years ago, OSU decided that if it was going to do something, it was going to strive to be the best.
That meant that it dropped some things from the cirriculum.
But is also meant that they were not going to accept mediocrity. And they took action…if the soccer coach was not performing, then he was (and “he was”) gone.
I wish Pitt were that way. if you are going to do something, then dammit, try to be the best and certainly do never accept failure.
From my perspective, Pitt’s administration accepts failure and in some bewildering fashion, views those who scoff at that attitude as being “disloyal”. Bizarre.
Pederson, by any measure, is an abject failure.
Go back and read his quotes after being hired again and takin command two days before 13-9. The following are quotes from him.
“..we have to prioritize getting a lot of people to Heinz Field for football games”
“…it is also important to ask our fans what they want”
“…It is my job to support the coaches and I have always done that”
“The football program is on the verge of great things”
“…Dave…is a great recruiter…is working hard…is doing all the right things the right way and will be successful”
“…this is a great place ..and …is headed for great things”
“Look at our track program…and ask yourself “What would he do if he had facilities’”
“I don’t worry about raising funds because I know that if we have a good plan, people will help us…”
OK, these are goals and assertions from the horses mouth. Read the article in the PG by Paul Zeise December 23, 2007.
Is Heinz Field filled? Gimmie a break.
Has Pitt built nes track facilities? Nope and the baseball, softball and soccr fileds were already planned and prepped by the time of his arrival.
If we were “headed for great things” 4.7 years ago, are we closer? This makes me puke.
Pitt is further away from every goal set by Pederson upon his return. With him at the helm, Wanny, who was doing “all the right things” somehow lost his way. Did Pederson “support the coach” or did he fire his ass when he could have used a kick in the ass to get his players to shape up?
Fund raising? After hiring Haywood without any due diligence, where has fund rasing gone?
After firing Haywood, what happened to fund raising?
I know you folks are tired of reading this BUT FACTS ARE IMPORTANT.
Pederson has failed at everything at Pitt since his return….he must go or Pitt is telling you and me that we are stupid, that facts are not important and that there are some very highly paid non tenured people at Pitt who do not have produce any positive results to collect a very fat paycheck.
You can claim OSU has many bad things about it and I would agree with a large number of them.
But “stupid” and “lazy” are not among them.
Pitt cannot plausibly make the same claim. The results don’t lie.
A MEN BROTHER GOD SAVE THE QUEEN ooo wait we dont
have a queen o hell down with tino .
Hmmm…I thought the Bills had 5 stars across the board on the DL…once again, Wanny underachieves with talent…he sure can recruit though.
And usually right. As you are on this one to a point. I actually agree with you whole heartedly. It’s true in business, education, anywhere.
I got you, you’re right, and I understand.
I guess I just feel, that after watching this team, and tons of others the past two Saturdays, it really looks like we may have hit rock bottom with talent.
I also should have put more about the ASU game. Yes, the quarterback was a big part of it, but, their whole team was bigger, faster, stronger and smarter than ours.
I would have put us on about par with them, school wise. Middle of the pack BCS team.
We’re not even close to them. It wasn’t a lot of freshman either, so, I’m assuming he’s using ASU players from the past couple of years.
Also not suggesting ASU will be a powerhouse. But his two games at Pitt and two games at ASU, there is a huge difference. Same coaching, same offense, something is different.
What’s different besides the uniforms, the players.
Competition?? Ahhh. We played Buffalo and Maine and just won.
They played N. Arizona and Illinois and waxed both.
Not singing his praises either, he’s an asshole.
But, something is very wrong down there.
Poor Coach Chyrst. Whether he makes it or not, he is really in the soup down there.
My angle, is what could it hurt. Develop someone now, let them get some games under their belt.
This is easy to do, we get enamored with the present hot shot or 4 star. I do it too.
Saving Voytik redshirt?? Why?? That’s 4 years from now. Injuries could happen, he could transfer to be back home….
We have the kid from Ohio coming in, I think possibly a kid from Blackhawk or somewhere out that way??
If we’re gonna recruit hard, then, we should be having more “big time” qbs coming in, in the next 2,3, 4 years that are freshmen in high school right now that we don’t even know about.
If it’s a mess again this saturday, then, I agree, Gardner-Webb would be an ideal starting date for him, and we have a week off after that game for some teaching and film.
Again, all over Tino last year, I just see more problems this year with the rest of the team especially defense.
But, if we’re 0-3, what’s the difference??
It’s gonna ruin him?? How?? He’ll have the same mess at the beginning of next year, he has to take his first snap someday. Another spring and fall camp practices?? Get him into some live snaps.
bummer interception.
Pederson is a failure. Everything he touches turns to stone. Hard to argue ones dismissal when you set the stage.
It is so bad, even the Pitt web site buried the football story from the UC game.
Tino is a huge, huge problem. Quick story. I know someone who is good friends with a player on team. He asked the player how the team was going to be this year in August the player said Tino is still the quarterback and rolled his eyes. Bottom line the players on the team see the games and have as much confidence in Tino as we do. Look at the Cinci game D lets up two quick scores but then tightened up for the rest of half. However Tino blows two scoring opportunities and the team is down big at the half instead of being down only a little and having momentum. Completely and utterly deflating. There is no way that any of the players thought Tino could bring the team back after that. Football is a game of wills and effort.
I don’t get all this concern about playing Voyik too soon. If he’s legit he’ll thrive and get better. Worrying about burning a year sounds like the management of he Pirates. You can’t look too far own road. Gotta play or now.
Lastly, I’m not a Pederson defender at all but Wanny isn’t the coach at Pitt now because of Wanny. He coached horriblely in big games, never developed qbs, lost games he had no business losing and was running a program filled with tons of problems like Sheard getting arrested, Fields doing something illegal most likely and a terribly embarrassing SI cover story.
Josh Cribbs (Cleveland Browns) was a productive freshman QB at Kent State. Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb were freshman starters. The list goes on an on.
Talented players usually show their skills immediately.
Bench Sunseri now and make an attempt to create a kernal of hope for the other players and for the remaining fans.
Everybody is missing Bostad.
There’s reason to question just how good Voytik is.
But you’re only going to find out by getting him some action.
And as far as a redshirt goes… burn it.
Savage’s turn comes next year. Chapman will also be here and he looks to be at least if not more talented than Voytik both as an athlete and a passer.
Voytik may find himself out of the picture without ever really being in it.
Bottom line… Sunseri starts again this week due to the opponent being VATech.
But we just might see Anderson or Voytik or both before the game is over.
We can only hope.
That being said, my opinions are just that, one man’s opinion. And frankly who am I to say that I have the correct answers to Pitt’s woes?
I so wanted to see Tino finally blossum under Chryst’s coaching. Him getting back into a prostyle offense with multiple receivers that he has played with for at least one season or more should have been a recipe for his success.
Unfortunately, it just isn’t to be. Sunseri is a tough guy who’s effort I’ve never questioned. His skill set and decision making abilities are his downfall however. Some QB’s got it, others don’t. HE DON’T GOT IT.
The coaching ability of Chryst has come under scrutiny already based on the performance of this team in it’s first two games. I don’t think any sane person would come to the conclusion that the problems on offense are going to be resolved by giving Sunseri a little more practice time and more reps under center to get it perfected, since he has had 4 years now to get it right.
If Coach Chryst is the coach that I hope he is, he needs to take the dramatic step to try anybody else at the QB position to reformulate this offensive equation.
Keeping Tino in there for the rest of the season builds NOTHING for the future, keeps the team wallowing in nothing better than mediocrity for the present and simply reinforces throuh his lack of dynamic action that he has a “stay the course” straight and narrow coaching mentality. In essence, communicating to this team by his lack of action, that he has no answers for their current offensive problems other than sticking with a failing formula.
Why not just throw in the towel for this season already then? If Tino contiues to start, IMO, that is the feeling that will permeaite this team’s mindset, and that ain’t good. Not for now, not for the rest of this season and definitly not for the future.
Come on Coach, pull the plug on Tino and start a new direction for this team ASAP.
Dan – I saw those comments about Huxtable also and they are unfounded. I believe it has to do with the fact that he wore red during the game but he does that so the defense can see him clearly on the sidelines. But some fans seem to think it was a super secret signal that he pined for his old job at Wisconsin.
Nordy is presumably going to retire within a year or so. Since he doesn’t have the stones to fire Smiley, all I can do is hope that the next chancellor with have the insight to fire him.