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March 3, 2012

Open Thread: Pitt-UConn

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 11:59 am

This dam car search is really eating into my life. Stuck looking a little longer than I hoped.

DVR. delay for me. Let’s see if Pitt stays hot on offense.





And Calhoun is coaching

Comment by 429Meyran 03.03.12 @ 12:03 pm

The Gibbs vs. Lamb match-up scares me. Could be a big day for Lamb…..

Comment by Pendlum 03.03.12 @ 12:11 pm

JJJ

Comment by alcofan 03.03.12 @ 12:23 pm

Airmailed bad pass

Comment by alcofan 03.03.12 @ 12:25 pm

Gibbs mia so far today

Comment by alcofan 03.03.12 @ 12:32 pm

careless pass

Comment by alcofan 03.03.12 @ 12:35 pm

Pitt playing to all the worst aspects of their game. Layups and run outs for UConn. No pump fakes inside and 5 blocks by UConn so far. Gibbs again drifting right on his flat jumper…0-6

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 12:39 pm

So many turnovers….Pitt is giving this game away. No offensive rhythm, poor defense, pretty much everything that is wrong. I don’t think they are “forcing” Pitt into all the turnovers. Pitt made so many lazy passes it is frustrating!

Comment by Pendlum 03.03.12 @ 12:48 pm

UConn is so far superior it’s not even funny

Comment by wbb 03.03.12 @ 12:55 pm

agreed wbb

Comment by Pendlum 03.03.12 @ 12:57 pm

Gibbs and Robinson 1-10 today. Senior leadership???

Comment by alcofan 03.03.12 @ 12:58 pm

Not going away just yet.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 1:24 pm

Gilbert with huge minutes today. 3 blocks and a bunch of rebounds…just what we all thought he could do.

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 1:33 pm

We’ll see if they can keep this tempo up for 8 more minutes….

Comment by Pendlum 03.03.12 @ 1:33 pm

really liking JJ Moore these days.

Ashton gets and stays hot, we could have a ballgame.

Keep up the intensity (thats been lacking most of the year) Hail to Pitt.

Comment by PantherP 03.03.12 @ 1:35 pm

Lots to be irritated about as a Pitt fan, but nothing more so than the gravely voiced woman annoucer who simply does not shut up!!!

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 1:36 pm

These kids just keep fighting. This team has certainly grown up here towards the end of the season and the young guys are really stepping up. It’s a pleasure to watch this effort.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 1:47 pm

My goodness, having two legit centers next year (Adams, Gilbert) is gonna make a huge difference. Along with featuring JJ Moore in the offense more often. It’ll look like a completely different team.

Comment by PantherP 03.03.12 @ 1:47 pm

Still cannot get over the demise of Gibbs…barely made one ft missed the second..

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 1:54 pm

Pitt’s 15th turnover could not happen at a worst time…down by 5 with 31sec. Nice comeback..but incredibly awful ballhandling..

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 1:55 pm

End this season now. Gibbs is awful

Comment by Tony C 03.03.12 @ 1:58 pm

call me crazy..but i think were gonna be pretty damn good next year..good bye robinson and gibbs..and move woodall off the point…

Comment by pitt-for-life 03.03.12 @ 1:58 pm

The no call on the Moore trip was awful and really turned the game. Just bad.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 2:00 pm

Game set match…too many turnovers…not enough JJMoore who spent almost the entire first half on the bench. Pitt gives up a 14 -4 run in the last few minutes…let’s face it…we suck!

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 2:00 pm

I’m going to use the ACC card on the officiating in that UCONN game. The charge on Moore was down right clearly wrong the defender slid under him and the tripping of Moore on his drive to the bucket that was not called. I believe if Pitt wasn’t ACC bound you see both calls go Pitt’s way and the win !

Comment by spindler's spirit 03.03.12 @ 2:06 pm

spindler’s spirit- That was exactly what entered my mind. The defender was not even close to being set on the charge. We will take over WVU’s spot of getting absolutly shafted for the year to come. At least we’d have a neutral officiating crew if we played WVU in the BET.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 2:12 pm

@spindler’s spirit – the calls at the end of the game would have gone Calhoun’s way even if Pitt wasn’t leaving for the ACC. That being said, if UConn didn’t have all the points they got off turnovers in the first half, the calls would have been irrelevant.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.12 @ 2:13 pm

Going back (at least) as far as the Pitt-Butler game last year, Pitt’s inability to make key defensive stops is simply killing the Panthers. Certainly turnovers are a concern, but Pitt needs to step up their D.

Comment by Lou 03.03.12 @ 2:14 pm

Another tough loss. It was a good comeback, but this team just gives up too many easy baskets on careless passes. I thought the non-call, when J. J. Moore was knocked down late in the game really hurt. Instead of goung to the line UConn got an easy backet on the other end.

Comment by Justinian 03.03.12 @ 3:03 pm

This day gets even better with Nova losing we are now the 13 seed and play at 2:30, just great.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 4:02 pm

Turnovers ,turnovers, turnovers, all year long, glad it’s almost over. Only person to improve all year was JJ and maybe Taylor. Hoping Adams is the answer.

JJ raw talent, hope he works on ball handling and passing all summer. Has the potential to be great if he excells at those two skills next year.

Props to Gibbs and Nasir, great careers, asked to be too much this year.

Comment by gc 03.03.12 @ 4:18 pm

We haven’t won a game since 2008, The time and the seed appear to be meaningless..we can only hope right??

Comment by goalie44 03.03.12 @ 4:21 pm

As usuall our guards got torched. Turnovers by telegraphed passing. Thank God Gibbs and Robinson are leaving I wish they could take Woodal with them.

Lets here all the negatives on Taylor. The guy was up aginst 2 6’10” players and held them to a total of 12 points, both 5 star recruits one a lottery pick next year. I will take Taylor on my team any time.

Start Gilbert and Taylor but Robinson were he always belonged on the bench (terrible defender and turnover machine -consistently attacks big men and piles up their block stats.).

Moore is the real deal. He is the best player on this team and could have done this weeks ago if Dixon had let him learn like good coaches do (Calhoun/Jermy Lamb).

Could make a run if players were coached like Uconn players when passing come hard to the ball, importantly the passer does not pass without a fake first. Twenty points to Unconn, 20 less opportunities to score. Good coaches must love to play Jamie’s teams.

Second lineup change.
Gilbert C
Taylor SF
Moore Sm. F
Gibbs
Patterson SG

Perhaps Patterson can make some stops outside. Cannot wait until Robinson comes 6’3″ excellent ballhandler, penetrator and shooter. In each of these facets better than both Gibbs and Woodall.

Adams and Moore could of had a field day today.

Comment by drw 03.03.12 @ 4:24 pm

Can we forget the NIT and get this season mercifully over?

What good is the NIT going to do us? We are like a golfer with a bad swing. You can practice it over and over, but it is still a bad swing.

Comment by Dan 72 03.03.12 @ 5:19 pm

If anyone wants to see how good could be they have to pull up a video of Steve Adams and James Rusell. Adams has dominated all the top centers and Robinson is the complete opposite of Pitt guards – he has height, he is disciplined, he can create his own shot and has excellent shooting mechanics. He can penetrate to the basket with either hand and shield off the defender. He can even play defense.

I dare say if Robinson and Adams were in uniform today Pitt would have won by 10 or more.

Adams is already the most athletic center not playing pro play of all the top centers I have seen on video or seen playing college ball.

Robinson is a smart qualiy ballhandler who can defend and it an excellent 3 point shooter.

Moore is strarting to scratch his potential and with Adams drawing pressure off him can be a 15 plus points a game scorer.

Taylor is a tough defender and with Adams on the other side he could gain 10 more pounds and score 10 or more a game on simple put backs.

Rebounding next year Adams, Taylor, and Moore that is a monster front line.

Comment by drw 03.03.12 @ 5:34 pm

From the beginning to the end, the refs were intimidated by Calhoun and likely, the Big East.

Shame on you.

Comment by steve1 03.03.12 @ 5:44 pm

With Paterno gone, I’d have to say I despise Calhoun more than any coach in the country.

Comment by Gas 03.03.12 @ 5:45 pm

2:15 mark tied at 61-61. Outscored 13-4 rest of the way.

Comment by alcofan 03.03.12 @ 5:46 pm

Dan72,
JJ played 14 minutes in the 1st half. 16 min in 2nd.

Comment by TMGPanther 03.03.12 @ 5:50 pm

STEVEN ADAMS VS NERLENS NOEL!!! | NBADraft.net
To see a video of Adams against Norelens Noel the top rated center go to the above site. The site focuses on Noels but Adams out scored him 25 to 12 points and outrebounded him 15 to 12.

Major differnce is Adams ability to face up and shot the jumper while Noels is a one dimensional player.

Comment by drw 03.03.12 @ 6:05 pm

Watching the Duke NC game. Can’t wait to see if we can handle the pace or if we slow it down to minimize posessions.

Comment by JP 03.03.12 @ 7:24 pm

@Pitt Rob – the bracket actually lays out better for us with that seed. We wouldn’t see ND until the finals and wouldn’t see Cuse until the semis.

Hail to Pitt.

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.12 @ 7:59 pm

I admit I am Pitt sports fanatic. To me Pitt basketball and football come before any other sport. But I also follow the Steelers, the Penns and for part of last season, even the Pirates. So for those not living in Pittsburgh area, there is a blog the Yinzer Times to follow some of the other Pittsburgh sports. link to yinzertimes.com

Comment by Justinian 03.03.12 @ 8:14 pm

@Pitt Dad- I agree just would have liked to have been able to watch the games. That is now not possible for me unless they get to the semis friday. If Rutgers beats SJU tonight, I actually think we can get to the semis.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 9:18 pm

I think Gilbert is ready for prime time, at least on this team. It is time to stop pretending that the coaches did not screw up by not recruting a center for 3 years and playing forwards in the post.
Has anyone considered that alot of Taylors problems are he plays on a medicore team, as well as out of position (Robinson, Gibbs, Woodall).

Play big in the tournament. What can happen we turn the ball over more? Impossible. Move Gibbs to point, sit Woodall and Robinson (eliminate 10 turnovers.

Conneticut beat us on sloppy telegraphed passes and lazy come to the ball techniques. Pitt corrected the problem in 2nd half. However to go beyond the first round we have to stop what else has killed us this year giving up so many offensive rebounds (we get more total but the opponents are bigger get as many second chances and are able to convert them because we lack the size.
How to stop this. As they say in football by bowl time your no longer a freshman. Play Gilbert at center,what are we going to lose in points? With Taylor a SF his point production should increase. With both of them in there we should control the defensive board.

Moore is going to handle the scoring load. Hopefully Patterson can help on perimeter defense because of his height and he is a better shotter than Woodall. Gibbs will get his 8 points.

Attempt to get them to play as they did in second half of Conneticut game, no lazy pa worked passing. Try Moore bring ball across half court it worked well today.

It is worth a try.

Comment by drw 03.03.12 @ 9:52 pm

@Pitt Rob – too early for a sick day?

Comment by Pitt Dad 03.03.12 @ 9:56 pm

@drw, please stop trolling the site.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.03.12 @ 10:14 pm

Patterson played 3 positions today. Most encouraging was when he played at the 2 and JJ Moore played at the 3. This was late in the first half and during a lot of the catch up run during the second half. Late, Patterson moved to the 4. Woodall defers to Gibbs this year, but next year both Patterson and Moore will be beneficiaries more often and this will give us a more balanced attack on offense. Should be noted that JJ Moore also played a terrific game defensively against Jeremy Lamb in the second half. Lamb is one of the toughest defensive draws in the conference and he was shut down. The light has definitely gone on with JJ on both ends of the court.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.03.12 @ 10:25 pm

This season has not been Dixon’s best. Not giving Moore and Gilbert more time early was a huge error. Also way to much Naz and Woody against pressure D.
Hopefully will get a run going in tourney and some NIT time with nrxt years boys playing more. Gibbs and Naz need to say adios.

Comment by Jimbo 03.03.12 @ 10:41 pm

Totally agree SilverPanther. It took him some time but JJ seems to have finally clicked on both sides of the floor. I think that is a key for next year. Adams wil be Adams but somebody will have to step up as a 2nd and 3rd scorer for Pitt to return to th top of BE. Moore seems reay to take that step.

A healthy Woodall will help if h can e an outside threat like he was often this year. The 2 and the 4 are my biggest worries. Not sure if Patterson can play the 2 guard well enough. Not sure of either Zanna or Taylor at the 4.

I would not be surprised to see a lot of Patterson at the 4 next year with Johnson, wright and the new guy (Jones? – too lazy to look up his name) fighting for time at the 2.

Moore at he 2 at Patterson at the 3 would solve some problems but don’t think JJ is a good enough ball handler.

Would like to see them get a few more games of work his year, but never want to Gibbs play the point again.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.03.12 @ 10:52 pm

@Pitt Dad- It’s always too early for a sick day when it’s part time and you don’t get paid days off. I like the matchups. First 2 games would be against teams we beat comfortably. This is looking way far ahead, but I’d love another shot at the Cuse.

Comment by Pitt Rob 03.03.12 @ 11:01 pm

So thankful for the early time slot. Takes out a few hours of frustration.

Comment by TonyC 03.03.12 @ 11:22 pm

I would LOVE to get the semi’s and at least make it interesting. But we have been atrocious in the Garden the past 3 years so that won’t happen. I miss making the championship every year. It may not matter to anyone else but it’s something that we usually have a good chance to win unlike the NCAA

Comment by TonyC 03.03.12 @ 11:24 pm

I thought the Panthers played a good 2nd half. At halftime, I thought the game was over. Pitt fought back and got back into the game and for a short time I actually had hopes that they would pull it out. The Panthers made the adjustments they needed to make in the 2nd half, which is encouraging. I thought the turning point where UConn took over was on the non-call where J.J. More was knocked down driving to the hoop. The call wasn’t made, he didn’t go to the foul line, and UConn got an easy basket in transition. That was possibly a 4 point swing and it seemed to fire up the Huskies. I realize that you can’t expect to get the calls on the road, but it still stings none the less. Finishing in the Big East Tournement with a couple of wins would be nice.

Comment by Justinian 03.04.12 @ 7:33 am

drw, I aggree Gilbert needs to get a lot more playing time and J.J. Moore needs to be on the floor as much as possible. Hopefully,if they can beat St. John’s again in the Big East Tourament opener, they will get a chance to play another game or two. At this point I think that’s all they can hope for. My concern is that they finish up their season with a couple more wins. There is no gaurantee that this season’s problems will go away with Adams coming in. In the four game winning streak after Woodall came back, I had unrealistic expectations. Nine or ten years ago Pitt transformed their program by working hard and doing all the little things well. They need to get that focus back.

Comment by Justinian 03.04.12 @ 7:52 am

Dixon’s philosophy about PT has paid off in the past with player development. I’m not going to doubt the way he brought along Gilbert or Moore. I’m sure they and Pitt will both be better off because of Dixon’s patience.

Only Kansas, Pitt and Gonzaga have had a run of 20 win seasons, 10 conference wins and 10 NCAA’s…and the BE smokes both conferences in quality.

Pitt was due for a down year and we’ve seen flashes of what is to come next year. Regardless of what you think, this team is light years ahead of where they were even two months ago. I’m looking forward to next year. I’m hoping PItt can rekindle some BE magic circa 2001.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.04.12 @ 9:24 am

Beating the Jonnies on their home court won’t be as easy as at the Pete.

Comment by alcofan 03.04.12 @ 9:42 am

I know there are some people who just want this season to be over already, but I think that a nice run — say to the semis — on the big stage of the Big East Tournament would be a really good thing for the program as a whole. If we can repeat our performances against St. John’s and Georgetown, avenge that tough three-point home loss against Cincinnati, then give Syracuse our best shot at the Garden, it’ll remind people that even during our crappiest season in decades, Pitt is still a team to be reckoned with. It would be a nice, if tiny, springboard for next year.

Comment by Aaron 03.04.12 @ 10:13 am

As pleased as I’ve been with the way J.J. Moore has come around and improved his play. I noticed often, when he’s left alone and needs push the ball up court himself, he’s reluctant to do so. I would love to see him improve his ball handling in the coming off-season. That could make a big difference in next year’s team. He’s athletic and can take the ball to the hoop, his outside shooting is improving, and he is playing much better defensively. He could give Pitt, what they lost when Brad Wannamaker and Gilbert Brown graduated at either the 2 or 3 spots.

Comment by Justinian 03.04.12 @ 10:15 am

Tossing Thabeets, By the way I love your name. It reminds me of one favorite Pitt-UConn games.

I agree that Jamie Dixon’s model of developing his players for a couple of years in his system is what Pitt basketball is all about. All season long I have remained confident that he would get things turned around. But, I thought it would have come together, with a little better consistancy, by this time. I am confident that he will eventually get the program back on track. The question in my mind is whether or not that will happen next season.

Comment by Justinian 03.04.12 @ 10:28 am

Height inside and bad guard play both leading to to easy second chance rebounds, and backcourt turnovers is why this team was not a good defensive team. Coaching was the cause.

Dixon’s fear of freshman and allowing players to learn while on the court (Moore) have lead him to play small Taylor out manned at the 5 and Woodall and Gibbs sloopy ballhandlers and poor defenders, notorious skillsets for the second level N.Y. and Philly guards (one dimensional) becuase they do not have the size to offset their mistakes.

Starting Gilbert from day 1 would have given Pitt an inside presence. Face it McGhee no offense lost from McGhee last year. Taylor a 4 without the weight loss is at least as quick as Biggs and he is a far better instinctional player. Against 4’s in BE few with two exceptions have any explosiveness he could have reduced the number of offensive rebounds and scores on second chances.
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Pitt gave up such a high percentage of shooting off of steals (terrble scheme breaking the press/coaching), lazy passes, the passer not quick faking the pass first and the reciver not coming strong to the ball to eliminate passing lanes (bad coaching), and a higher percentage of offensive rebounds due to lack of height inside (bad recruiting/no center recruited since McGhee untill this year and not playing Gilbert from 1st game loss early end strong).

This has been Dixon’s legacy that must change next year to send signals to top players. Start Robinson and Adams and let them learn in November and December rather than running up an impressive non-conference record and hope to slide into the NCAA.

Now Gibert, Taylor, Moore, Patterson, Gibbs.

Next year from game 1, Adams, Taylor, Moore, Patterson, Robinson

Comment by drw 03.04.12 @ 10:38 am

Dixon plays freshman and underclassmen all the time. How many more examples do we have to provide you? Over and over again you’re posting the same drivel. One bad season from a two time national coach of the year and suddenly, you’ve got the answer- they should have played your pet favorite line ups based on their height and weight and they would not lose, right?…Also, upthread you are still making same elementary mistake- SF stands for “Small Forward”. PF is “Power Forward”.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 03.04.12 @ 11:01 am

Drw, I think we need to take a step back on Robinson. He hasn’t seen a minute of D1 basketball and already we’re saying he should be a starting PG for one of the best programs in the country? He’s a 4-star recruit. Even our 5-star recruits don’t come in and start right away (Blair didnt, Birch didnt, Taylor didn’t) and there’s a reason for that. He may ease into the line-up by BE play.

When healthy Woodall’s main problem is trying to hard to create, which results in his high TO ratio — which has been admittedly historically awful for Pitt PGs. But let’s not forget that he’s hurt and its really hard to be in sync with your team when you can’t practice with them the whole year and even when your back you have to miss practices. Its HUGE for PGs who more than anyone have to understand their team mates habits, know where they’re gonna be after any given move on the court. Woodall’s a hard working, smart kid who is no doubt very aware of his short comings. And, he’s not gonna have to try as hard to create next year with JJ Moore coming into his own, Patterson, Johnson, having more experience and a really good centers keeping the defense honest next year. and god willing he’ll be healthy. And a senior.

I’m pretty confident next year’s team is gonna look a lot different and there’s many reason for me to think it’ll will look a lot better. My guess:
PG -Woodall
SG – Patterson if we go big, Johnson if small
SF – JJ Moore if we go big, Patterson if small
PF – Taylor/Zanna if big, Moore if small
C – Gilbert, until BE play when Adams is ready.

The PF is the big question mark cuz we have no one on the roster who can really play it. JJ Moore/Patterson are the closest but we need them elsewhere. I don’t think this is gonna be a huge problem though.

Comment by PantherP 03.04.12 @ 11:43 am

sorry siverpanther was unaware of the dyslexic usage of my terminaology. You are also right that I have an obssesive nature. Venues such as this are especially problematic since I have such an emotional attachment to the context.

It is better for most of our mental health to avoid technologies such as these and twitter, facebook, etc.

Comment by drw 03.04.12 @ 11:47 am

Robinson is the key for next year..he HAS to start at the point…if woodall is there its gonna be turnover city..again!!…i love the potetnial of next years team..

PG..robinson/Woodall
SG..Woodall/Johnson
SF..Moore/Patterson/Wright
PF..Taylor/Zana
C.. Adamas/Gilbert

Comment by pitt-for-life 03.04.12 @ 12:48 pm

Woodall’s TO ratio was great before the injury…I’m not worried about it. I’m sure TO’s and Def will be primary focus in the offseason. I’m not concerned at all about next year.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.04.12 @ 1:02 pm

I don’t see Patterson playing at the 2 next year. His ball handling, quickness, athelticism, and perimeter defense would all need to improve. I think he would be more likely to see time at the 4.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 03.04.12 @ 1:31 pm

I cant see patterson playing the four at all…i like his passing skill alot..and his shot is pure..the only fit for him is at the three..

Comment by pitt-for-life 03.04.12 @ 1:40 pm

I hope Patterson stays at the 3 and Moore plays 2. Zanna and Taylor will be playing the 4.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 03.04.12 @ 1:41 pm

Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist telling you about the new Koolaid stand in Tempe

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Comment by steve1 03.04.12 @ 5:39 pm

drw, that matchup happened in early january. old news.

before the game was even over i texted my friend saying how much of an impact adding aams will be, along with gilbert. gilbert makes a HUGE impact in the game–nobody scores in the paint, he blocks shots, changes shots, and rebounds. plus he has quick ala when he was 1v1 on boatwright and boatwright had to chnge his shot so severely that it almost missed everything– and that huge impact comes with him being offensively gifted. add adams whos the same size as gilbert but make him more athletic and give him a polished offensive game, and between just adams and gilbert, they should have about 4-7 blocks per game. i dont want there to be a single minute next year when both adams and gilbert on the bench.

ps–it makes me so angry when gilbert has PERFECT position on the low block and nobody gives him the ball.

Comment by pk 03.04.12 @ 7:46 pm

without him being offensively gifted. sorry

Comment by pk 03.04.12 @ 7:52 pm

Standifer finally signed his LOI

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Comment by wbb 03.05.12 @ 7:36 am

“which results in his high TO ratio — which has been admittedly historically awful for Pitt PGs”

Historically does this include Miller, Knight, Fields???

Comment by Pitt1969 03.05.12 @ 11:05 am

Krauser was a TO machine at times but I believe Fields had one of the best ssist-turnover ratios in BE history .. and wouldn’t be surprised if Knight and Miller were up there also

Comment by wbb 03.05.12 @ 11:49 am

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