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December 2, 2011

Woodall With Abdominal Tear

Filed under: Basketball,Injury — Chas @ 11:34 am

Well, in the past Pitt has survived spells of not having Levance Fields. Now Pitt will try to manage with Woodall. The reports are that Travon Woodall suffered an abdominal tear and will miss the next month.

There’s no sugarcoating that this is a big loss. He was playing 32 minutes a game. Shooting real well from the perimeter. The leading assist man on the team — a better than 2-1 A/TO ratio — and clearly the floor leader.

I can see Lamar Patterson getting some of the time running things as a point-forward type player like Brad Wanamaker. Patterson has good court vision and has 20 assists to only 8 turnovers. This could create times where both Patterson and J.J. Moore are on the floor at the same time. I would be somewhat intrigued to see that. Like it or not (and I don’t), Ashton Gibbs will get some more chances to play point.

Most of the minutes, though, should end up going to John Johnson, Cam Wright and Isiah Epps. The latter has not gotten much playing time after redshirting last year and still struggling to get on the court. He’s an actual point guard, but most stories are that his defense is lacking to be kind.

Going to be a hell of a first test with a road game on ESPN.

 





I actually like the way Johnson has been playing so far. I’m obviously not thrilled with Woodall being out, but he’ll return for the Big East slate and this gives Wright/Johnson a chance to get high-quality minutes in their freshman seasons.

Comment by merlin 12.02.11 @ 11:38 am

The Post-Gazette has an article up now as well: link to post-gazette.com

Obviously, this is going to be tough to overcome, but I really feel bad for Woodall. He’s been playing pretty well, and really has emerged as a leader on the court. He is far from a perfect player, but he seemed to really be finding his identity on the court. Hopefully, this is just a brief setback, but abdominal injuries can be tricky.

Comment by Pantherman13 12.02.11 @ 11:50 am

He took a beating during the City game. Looks like JJ’s going to get some PTPT.

Comment by alcofan 12.02.11 @ 11:53 am

Well, this blows.

Comment by maz. 12.02.11 @ 11:59 am

What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger – Nietzsche

Comment by wbb 12.02.11 @ 12:10 pm

Opportunity for the young guys to step in and step up.

Comment by TX Panther 12.02.11 @ 12:14 pm

Ugh Patterson is so slow-footed… I can’t see it.
I’m guessing Johnson starts (but maybe officially Gibbs is the 1) and like Chas says Epps becomes part of backcourt rotation with Wright. Probably becomes another “play the hot hand” type rotation.

Comment by JW 12.02.11 @ 12:28 pm

I think in the long run this will help the team. Ball handling has been bad, and turnovers way to high. If one of the kids develope that will give us some options when the conference starts. TW & AG need some help against a pressure team especially when Naz is on the court as well. As long as we get everyone back in a month we will be fine.

Comment by Jimbo 12.02.11 @ 12:52 pm

I said it before. The rest of the team needed to get better at distributing and creating plays. This may force them to figure it out.

Johnson, Wright and Epps (in that order) will get more minutes. But I think it’ll really force Gibbs to do some PG work. Could be a win-win. Gibbs gets to play a positions phisically more suited for (ie height, though not really his talent) in the NBA/Euro leagues. Dixon gets one of his staring guards to distribute and play-make more.

That said, the flip side is Gibbs will feel that he has to take an even higher percentage of the teams shots and lock up our offense more. This would be bad not terrible if he’s shooting at ihs career percentages. But it would be really bad if he’s shooting at his season percentages.

Comment by PantherP 12.02.11 @ 12:58 pm

Tray was playing fantastic ball. Bad break. Hopefully he is only out a month.

Comment by omar 12.02.11 @ 12:59 pm

Agree; woodall was playing well, let’s hope he’s a quick healer.

Comment by velvil 12.02.11 @ 1:17 pm

I don’t think there is a fan who wants to see or likes the idea of Gibbs running the point. He’s proven time and time again the offense stalls when the ball is in his hands for extended periods of time. He is much better running of screens and making a quick decision. He is not a creator, for himself or for others.
Fantastic player, but not a point guard. Pitt needs to be able to keep him at SG.

Comment by OntarioLett'sGoPitt 12.02.11 @ 1:44 pm

Wow. That is tough. Bad timing for sure. Not much time to get ready for a difficult road test.

The bright side: Pitt is very, very deep. Jamie has options to deal with an injury at any spot. No one on this team is indispensible.

My guess is that Gibbs will start at the point and Johnson (maybe Wright) will start at the two. I would rather have Gibbs stay at the two, but so far most of Johnson’s minutes have been at the two.

Patterson shouldn’t be playing the point much. He may be asked to play like Wannamaker did last year. But he can’t defend a point guard or really even a quick two gaurd.

Johnson should get some time at the point.

Best case scenario for March is that Johnson does great at the point while Woodall is out. When all gaurds are healthy, Gibbs plays about 30 minutes, Johnson plays 18, Wright 8, and Woodall 28. I know that math doesn’t work, but there will be times, particularly at ends of games, when three of them play together.

Prior to the injury, Woodall (32+) and Gibbs (36+) were averaging too many minutes. That may have contributed to some of the inconsistency (turnovers) we saw out of Woodall.

Comment by boubacar aw 12.02.11 @ 2:06 pm

I don’t like this at all. I’m really concerned that we lost our number two scoring threat. More emphasis needs to be placed on defense (now more than ever)….

Comment by PaulyP 12.02.11 @ 2:59 pm

Oy. Seth Davis is calling us soft, which in my book, sounds even worse than atrocious and despicable–

link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 12.02.11 @ 4:08 pm

Sigh, was really looking forward to Gibbs moving back to the 2 with a strong 1 to handle the ball handling. Now, as others have posted, Gibbs will have to move back to the 1 which isnt his natural position and the offense seems to stall when the ball is in his hands. Maybe that will change with his change in roles. Not sure who gets more time at the 2, guess J Johnson.

What is of concern that no one has talked about yet–who is the backup at the 1? Before, from what I saw, when Woodall was out, Gibbs moved over to the point. Now what? Who will run the show when Gibbs needs a blow or (god forbid) he gets in foul trouble or injured?

I agree J Johnson probably gets the start, with Wright getting an increase in minutes. I have never seen Epps play that much but he came here much heraled as a “Levance Fields-type” player-strong leader with great passing skills, so I guess we will now see what he can bring to the table.

We may have more close games and even lose a few more than we are used to during the time Woodall is out, but hopefully it will make us stronger as the young guys get some in-game experience.

Comment by UPDave 12.02.11 @ 4:23 pm

Gotta agree, Silver. Let’s hope our boys read it and respond appropriately.

Comment by steve 12.02.11 @ 4:32 pm

I haven’t been following Tennessee but not surprised that the Vols would be favored, especially at home. While Pitt is improving, they still don’t look nearly as polished as Pitt usually does at this time of year (except for 2 years ago)

Comment by wbb 12.02.11 @ 4:33 pm

Like JJohnson’s quickness at the Point. While Trey was playing well, I did not see him move with quickness and quile without the ball. Don’t care how we play now…only interested in March!
This could be real value in disguise.

Comment by Dan 72 12.02.11 @ 4:55 pm

wbb, unlike previous years, I’m going to sit back, relax and enjoy our game-by-game improvement.

With a stiff cocktail of course…

Comment by steve 12.02.11 @ 4:56 pm

Bulletin board, SilverPanther. Bulletin board material for the rest of the season.

Comment by PantherP 12.02.11 @ 5:37 pm

Better now than February. Interested in who steps up. Like to see more passes to Taylor, Birch and Zanna underneath. A back door cut would be nice.

Comment by gc 12.02.11 @ 6:17 pm

Pitt isn’t soft with Birch & Zanna in the lineup.
Those two are both 6’9″ and both can board. And we’ve seen a small glimpse of Birch’s shot blocking abilities. We are soft with Taylor in there despite his last game, Duquesne was very small up front and is getting out rebounded by everyone.

They really need to find these guys in the post for a more balanced scoring attack. You don’t want to become a team that lives and dies by the 3, so maybe losing Woodall for a month gets them to work the ball inside more. Definitely good for the long term, might be ugly short term as nobody up to this point has shown an ability to pass into the post.

Coach has a big decision to make, do you move Gibbs to PG and therefore limit his shooting opportunities on the wing and also Gibbs would have to work that much harder handling the ball all the time as the PG. I would think ‘No’, you keep him at SG, so you don’t have 2 players playing out of position and you don’t take away your best scorer.

If Patterson is up for a Wannamaker imitation, that would be the rout to go, as JJ has limited experience and is a true freshman after all. And playing PG full-time would be asking an awful lot of a true frosh and Epps has hardly played at all. They should see more minutes but I don’t think you want them starting quite yet.

Big Weekend for PITT sports and all the opposition is colored Orange. Let’s Crush some Orange or drink some Orange Crush, whatever. lol

Virtus et Veritas
Hail to PITT !

Comment by Emel 12.02.11 @ 8:30 pm

EMel hi veritas et rectum
vires et decus

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.02.11 @ 10:34 pm

Travon Woodall put his time in and came off the bench effectively last year. When he was at the point, the ball distrubution was much better. This season he finally had the opportunity to start at the point and I was looking forward to seening Ashton Gibbs playing more at the 2 spot. I feel bad for Woodall. I just hope that we can get enough good minutes from the younger players to fill the gaps. I guess we’ll get the preview agaisnt the Vols.

Comment by Justinian 12.02.11 @ 11:08 pm

No way Patterson takes the point. He can hardly take it up the floor. This could work out in the long run. We haven’t won the Big East since the season when Fields got hurt and that gave Benjamin big minutes

Comment by Tony C 12.02.11 @ 11:10 pm

Loosing Woodall is a major blow. This year he really came into his own.

I feel a kinship with him. I do commuted to a catholic N. J. high school from Brooklyn. Came from a working class family. Was a gymnast at Pitt.

The Pitt degree did me well in getting a good job to allow me to gain experience to form my own company. I think I ended up pretty successful.

Remain proud my fellow Pitt fans.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 12.03.11 @ 1:31 am

Old Pitt Grad, What year did you graduate? I was on the gym team too.

Comment by gc 12.03.11 @ 8:44 am

only game I watched the Vols play was against Oakland, and they lost. Their “bull” Maymon had 8 pts. We can beat this team, without Tra.

I agree with Emel. Why have 2 shooters out of position? leave Gibbs at the 2 and start JJohnson at the pt. He leads the BE in 3s (for now) and is a tough Philly kid. If he falters, try Wright or Epps. Some pts from the 3 from Lamar or JJ are critical, as Tenn will key on Gibbs.

need to play Birch, Zanna and Nas to compete inside with Tenn. Revenge game win over the Vols on their court will be sweet. HTP

Comment by Bossdaws 12.03.11 @ 8:57 am

Yeah, I don’t like the discussion of Patterson handling the ball. Even though a lot of us would prefer to see Ashton Gibbs at the the 2 spot, we know he can do an adequate job playing point. As mentioned above, John Johnson should get a lot time at the two guard spot and Cam Wright and Isiah Epps will have to fill in the guard spots as needed. It will certainly get all three players more playing time, which is good for them. Short term it’s not what any of us wanted to see, especially with the way Travon Woodall was shooting. But over the course of the season, developing that depth may pay dividends. I’m sure Jamie Dixon will find a way to work it out.

Comment by Justinian 12.03.11 @ 8:59 am

We will find out how deep we are. I like keeping Gibbs at 2 with Johnson backing him up. Let’s see if Wright and Epps can play the point. I would also like to see Patterson at the point. He is a decent ball handler, good defender and he is tall. May not be able to handle the press, but we won’t know for sure until we try. Gives another option against teams with big guards. Also gives the other bigs more playing time. Still like to see more inside out play and more offensive production underneath.

Comment by gc 12.03.11 @ 10:27 am

Pitt favored by 1 @Tenn?

Watched Tenn play Memphis in Mauii. They are tough. They have some big strong dudes inside that will cause Pitt all kinds of trouble. Jeronne Maymon is the real deal. Don’t know how Pitt will defend him. Hall, the other big, is tough too. McCrae is one of those 6’7″ skninny athletes who can score in bunches. Golden, the point guard is physically tough, but doesn’t make great decisions.

They are NOT well coached. They took a ton of quick bad shots and frequently got lost on defense (particularly in the first half). They committed a ton of fouls, many of them unnecessary. They didn’t press against Memphis and it didn’t appear to be part of their arsenal.

For Pitt to win, they need to execute their offense. If they are patient and run their stuff they should get good shots. They should get some open looks at three, they’ll need to hit them. They need to hold their own on the glass, particularly the defensive glass. They can’t let Tenn get too many put backs. Robinson and Zanna have to contain Maymon and make him take tough shots.

So to me this game will come down to coaching/exectution (Pitt) v. athleticism toughness (Tenn).

If Pitt can handle their athleticism they can win a close one. My guess is, they won’t. Hope I’m wrong.

Comment by boubacar aw 12.03.11 @ 10:54 am

gc I was on the team from 1962 to 1963. If you were around then let me know. For the life of me I can’t remember the Gymnastic coach. He really was just a baby sitter. A large heavy guy. We was no gymnast.

My freshman year I was at Florida State; broke my leg was out a year then transfered to Pitt.

FSU back then was segregated. Kind of a cultural shock for a kid from Brooklyn.

Comment by Old Pitt Grad 12.03.11 @ 3:30 pm

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