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December 23, 2010

I mean, who didn’t see this coming?

Pitt has distributed between 2,000 and 3,000 tickets, athletics department spokesman E.J. Borghetti said. Borghetti declined to say how many have been sold and how many are allocated for free, such as to staff members, band members, cheerleaders and players’ families.

Kentucky media relations director Tony Neely reported the school’s ticket sales at 4,000. He also did not elaborate on the number sold compared to distributed.

Both teams had disappointing seasons. Kentucky has suspended their senior starting QB for the game. Pitt is in a coaching turnover, and fired/reassigned/resigned Coach Wannstedt still has not decided if he is coaching this team. (Wannstedt is starting to piss me off about this. I get that he is still upset over everything, but he is screwing around with his own players by refusing to make a decision yet.)

Locally the BBVA Bowl officials are claiming record local sales. It’s not like the bowl will lose money. Kentucky and Pitt, however, are poised to take a bath. Well, Pitt is.

For example, if Pitt has only sold 2,000 tickets to its fans, then it’s currently looking at a $400,000 loss through ticket sales. That doesn’t factor in shared bowl revenue from the Big East.

“I recently spoke to a number of our football alumni who currently live in the south,” Borghetti said. “Because they aren’t able to make it to Pittsburgh on a regular basis, they are taking advantage of the BBVA Compass Bowl opportunity to plan some team reunions and functions. So we are very confident that Pitt will be well represented with a spirited fan base that is looking forward to the game and all that Birmingham has to offer.”

The SEC has a bowl revenue protection insurance plan for unsold tickets by its members. According to league bylaws, “the cost of unused tickets up to 3,000 tickets for games with a ticket guarantee under 15,000 tickets, and up to 4,000 tickets for games with a ticket guarantee of 15,000 tickets or above, shall be deducted prior to conference distribution.”

For instance, the Knoxville News-Sentinel reported that Tennessee would have lost more than $225,000 for not selling all of its tickets to the 2008 Outback Bowl if not for the $196,950 it received from the SEC insurance plan.

The ticket insurance sounds like a good idea, but considering the number of SEC teams that have no such problem selling tickets, the overall risk is significantly lower and the premiums would be feasible. For the Big East, given how few teams have shown the ability to consistently sell their allotment — and this year has been even worse — the premiums would probably make any possible savings minimal. Even WVU is struggling this year.

In a purely observational from the comfort of my couch, it has looked like most of the bowl games so far have had a lot of empty seats and I won’t be too surprised to see even more. While the condition of the economy is a convenient excuse, I don’t completely buy it. I think it has more to do with a lot more fans weary of the annual cost of the travel and less willing to shell out for such minor bowl games.

This is not a BCS/playoff rant. It just seems obvious that there are too many bowls at this point. They have started to devalue the worth for fans to make the trip. Why should a fan want to spend the money to go to anything but the conference’s best tie-in or BCS bid? The costs, the travel, etc. Instead it is far easier and potentially just as fun to stay and watch with a bunch of friends at someone’s house or at a bar.

It’s driven by the TV money for ESPN, anyways. They have control over a ton of the bowl games themselves. Not to mention the TV rights to all but two bowl games. They make money hand-over-fist on the telecasts. Which is the major reason for so many of them now.

I think many schools would love to decline the minor bowl bids if they could. The financial losses are painful, and skipping a year or two would realistically drive up demand by the fan base when they did accept a bid.

Coaches however would scream about missing out on extra practices. About denying the kids any reward for their season. Then there would be the backlash about the schools being cheap. So the whole thing keeps going.





Dan: I’ll drink to that!! Non=alcoholic beer, of course. I’m on coumadin. Go Pitt!1 Beat Huskies AND Wildcats!!. Rev. George

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 12.24.10 @ 5:41 pm

A chance to see what could have been tonight. Tulsa plays in a bowl game. Wasn’t their coach under consideration by SP?

Comment by Scott 12.24.10 @ 6:54 pm

Not to change the subject BUT last year, you could buy a Pitt ticket which would benefit a local NC kid, to go to the game. Is there a similar option for this bowl game?
Comment by Rieur1114 12.24.10 @ 10:10 am

Rieur1114- yes, the number is on the web site. Call the ticket office and they will set it up. The charitable organization will send you a receipt.

Comment by Pwmcdupitt 12.24.10 @ 7:22 pm

Mary xmas to all of you

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.24.10 @ 8:18 pm

Cheers to that Dan!! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. Safe travel to all. Yes, no matter your opinion, to have come and searched this webblog out, we are the die hards!! A special Merry Christmas to you Rev. George!!! 5 Big East teams in the top 10, it’s “go” time!!!!

Comment by Dan 12.24.10 @ 9:52 pm

Who’s surprised that Dave Wannestedt is still deciding if he’ll coach the bowl game or not. Have you not witnessed his game day lightening quick decision making on the sidelines these past 6 years. My expectation is that Wanny will wait till the day before the game, call a time out and then make the wrong decision anyhow.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.24.10 @ 10:28 pm

Merry Christmas
and
A Happy New Panther Year!!

Comment by isnore 12.24.10 @ 10:41 pm

The only quick decision Wanny made the last six years was to surround himself with players at his exit new conference. When did you ever see a resigning coach pull that bush league stunt? The guy is an egotist and that was his way of telling the University “maybe you don’t support me, but the players do.” He will coach this game, because it’s his last chance to play coach. The players will play to his ego, and he will feel all warm and fuzzing for the whole experience.

Comment by ltl 12.24.10 @ 11:35 pm

…and to all good night.

Hail to Pitt.

Merry Christmas fellow Pitt enthusiasts.

Comment by Pitt It Is 12.25.10 @ 12:19 am

Remember the name Webster-Chan basketball fans, because Louisville just signed a good one. Dixon better start looking at Huntington Prep, because they got some very good young players. There is a 7’4″ kid down there that is scary big. The amazing thing is: he has soft hands, can walk, talk, and crew gum. For a kid his size he’s very coordinate. Check him out on Youtube… Sim Bhullar. Also, while you are there checkout Webster-Chan and Stefan Jankovic. Jankovic is a 6’10” junior that can run the floor, leap out of the gym, and shoot.

Comment by ltl 12.25.10 @ 12:30 am

I think Bhullar and Jankovic had been going to prep school in the Pgh. area. I understand they transferred to Huntington because of ties to WVU.

Comment by auggie from latrobe 12.25.10 @ 1:55 am

I think Pitt likes Jankovich, not very high on Bhullar though….

Comment by Henry Hynoceros 12.25.10 @ 2:13 am

To answer some questions above – yes, schools have a limited number of practices the NCAA allows before a Bowl game.

Yes, PITT has been sticking to their practice schedule with the coaches they have under contract until after Jan 9th – that is Wannstedt as the HC, Bennett as the DC, etc… Apparently Hafley and Cignetti are the only coaches who were granted permission to leave before the Bowl. All were ‘fired’ when DW was, as in future contracts not offered, but exercising the right to keep them on staff for the Bowl game… at least that’s how I understand the situation as reported.

Wannstedt is still nominally the HC until the day after the Bowl and, if needed, PITT could actually hold him to his last contract that paid him through the game. PITT has left it up to DW as to whether he’ll coach the game or not at this point. No official word as yet to what will transpire.

A point to understand – the new coaching staff does not assume their duties as far as actual coaching on the field until Jan 9th as has been reported… Haywood has called a first full Team Meeting for Jan 12th. They are able to do limited recruiting and lots of public relations duties – the NCAA limits the number of coaches that can currently be under contract and on staff to (I think) nine when recruiting – so PITT has to juggle that.

Also, it has been reported on TOS that PITT requested an exemption from the NCAA to allow Haywood an opportunity to recruit in person during the “Quiet” and “Dead” times the NCAA has in their recruiting calendar…It’s somewhat convoluted and sets aside time for HS students not to be bothered during Finals and the Holidays.

link to collegefootball.about.com

No official word on whether or not that was granted. TOS also reports that Haywood has called some recruits (a coaching staff is allowed one call to each recruit in the Quiet Periods) and so far the ones he’s spoken to have re-committed… but that was a limited number.

Anyway – reports are that Haywood has been busy travelling and doing PR stuff… apparently he visited local HS coaches which is a good thing I guess – he’s allowed to meet with coaches but not students during the above restriction times.

That’s what I’ve been led to understand on the subject – someone will correct me if the facts are wrong…

Comment by Reed 12.25.10 @ 4:37 am

Note: I just looked at that schedule again – since his hire Haywood hasn’t been able to make actual recruiting visits I think… I don’t know the recruiting side that much so my info on the exemption, etc may be off base. But there are articles written elsewhere about his calling and talking with 2011 recruits so far.

Comment by Reed 12.25.10 @ 4:46 am

Another Note: I just read on TOS that in-home recruiting visits start again on Jan 3rd and go until Jan 10…then follow along on the NCAA schedule.

Sorry for all the posts –

Comment by Reed 12.25.10 @ 4:53 am

Tulsa put up 64 on a 10-win Hawaii team last night, forcing 6 turnovers. Maybe SP should have hired Graham.

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 9:01 am

BTW — Prior to their bowl game, Tulsa had won 6 in a row. During that streak they averaged 43 ppg.

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 9:16 am

Good story on TCU coach Patterson.

link to latimes.com

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 9:36 am

@Scott:

1) Yawn

2) Tulsa lost to all the “decent” schools they played. (lost by 6 touchdowns to Oklahoma State)

3) Tulsa put big up big numbers against the likes of Memphis (1-11), Central Arkansas, Bowling Green (2-10) and Rice (4-8). Whoo hooo! Coaching mastermind. What a horrible mistake we made!

Comment by SomePittFansAreInsufferable 12.25.10 @ 1:33 pm

@some Pitt fans

my comments were kind of tongue in cheek

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 1:53 pm

Fire idiot Steve Pederson as the Pitt Panthers are in shambles now Fire the I D I O T

Comment by Joe Clemente 12.25.10 @ 2:11 pm

FIRE STEVE PEDERSON HE IS SUCH A LOSER PEDERSON WAS A LOSER AT NEBRASKA AND CANT EVEN SPELL HIS NAME CORRECTLY ITS PETERSON ANYWAY HE HAS NOW RUINED PITT FIRE THIS IDIOT NOW PEDERSON PETERSON WHATEVER IS NOT A MORON BUT A SIMPLE MORON!

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.25.10 @ 2:15 pm

Happy Holiday’s Blatherer’s! Drink heavily, eat plenty and love like there is no tomorrow.

Oh, and beat UCONN!

Comment by Panthoor 12.25.10 @ 3:03 pm

Just an FYI Dana Holgersen really wasn’t household name when he was in the Big 12, remember TT and OSU never appeared in a Big 12 championship game.

Dana reminds me of Paul Hacket, an offensive genius but the transition to being a head coach is a long journey.

Pitt hired the right guy.

Comment by James from Dallas 12.25.10 @ 6:37 pm

48 hours to UConn! Let’s go Pitt!

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 8:31 pm

James from Dallas: I am in full agreement with you. I think Paul Zeise made Holgorsen the icon he has now seemed to become in this area.

Comment by auggie from latrobe 12.25.10 @ 9:17 pm

Auggie from Latrobe You KUMBSKULL SO U THINK MICHAEL HAYWOOD 8TH IN RECRUITING IN THE MAC (ACCORDING TO PHIL STEELE) IS BETTER THAN DAVE WANNY (1ST) IN BIG EAST?? YOU IS CRAZY AUGGIE WE BEEN ROBBED BY STEVE THE KUNMBSKULL PEDERSON

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.25.10 @ 10:29 pm

If wanny was such a great recruiter, how cone we have no OLs, LBs, or DBs?

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 11:58 pm

If wanny was such a great recruiter, how cone we have no OLs, LBs, or DBs?

Comment by Scott 12.25.10 @ 11:58 pm

Steve brain dead Pederson:
Please get Spellcheck for your computer. Also, I prefer Haywood’s potential (first place in MAC; coach of the year in MAC) over Wanny’s proven inability to win the Big East.

Comment by auggie from latrobe 12.26.10 @ 12:02 am

Wanny lost to Kelly when he was at Cinci, and any other coach in the Big East during a meaningful game. All of these coaches brought in far less talent than Wanny. It wouldn’t have mattered if he had the best class in the country, he had to go if Pitt ever wanted to win an important game.

Comment by Henry Hynoceros 12.26.10 @ 8:42 am

AUGGIE U KUNCKLEHEAD MICHAEL HAYWOOD IS A BUM AND U CANT WIN WITHOUT TALENTED PLAYERS. REMEMBER TINO WAS A 1ST YEAR QB. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN WHAT DAVE WANNY DID NEXT YEAR BUT OH WELL WE HAVE A BUM AS A HEADCOACH NOW SO IT DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE ..I WONT BE BUYING SEASON TICKETS NOW!!!

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.26.10 @ 11:59 am

Let’s cut out the name-calling and have civil discourse on this board.

Comment by Scott 12.26.10 @ 12:14 pm

FIRE PEDERSON NOW. STEP DOWN PEDERSON HAVE U NO SHAME U SIMPLE JACKASSSSS!!!!!!!

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.26.10 @ 12:15 pm

Steve brain dead Pederson:
You are hereby banned from this forum and from all interpersonal discourse for the rest of your life. (When did you say you graduated from WVU ?)

Comment by auggie from latrobe 12.26.10 @ 1:42 pm

Methinks Francan may be hitting the booze real hard and has changed his name, hmmm. Back to all caps.

Comment by gc 12.26.10 @ 2:05 pm

Wake Up Pitt Nation Steve Psderson has stabbed us in the Back!

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.26.10 @ 9:00 pm

Well at least you didn’t use all caps.

Comment by Scott 12.26.10 @ 9:22 pm

“Stevie”: From now on you are not allowed to use the internet!

Comment by auggie from latrobe 12.26.10 @ 9:45 pm

I have it on very good authority that Steve Pederson has been in hiding since he fired Wannstedt and that he is not even going to the bowl game!

Comment by Bob 12.27.10 @ 3:51 pm

Steve Pederson better hide is he an ahole

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.28.10 @ 12:43 am

Steve Pederson better hide he is an Ahole!

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.28.10 @ 8:45 am

WANNY DIDNT WIN THE IMPORTANT GAMES HAYWOOD WONT BE IN ANY IMPORTANT GAMES CAN U SAY 1 -11 NEXT SEASON PITT FANS?????

Comment by Steve brain dead Pederson 12.29.10 @ 1:08 am

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