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December 8, 2010

Baldwin Burns Bridges

Filed under: Football,Players — Chas @ 12:57 pm

A hattip to PittScript who tweeted this last night, and posted this morning on it. Jon Baldwin made it very clear that he is leaving for the NFL. He blasted the coaches and his QB on the way out.

…but when asked, “Why would you stay [for your senior season] when you have no chemistry with QB Tino Sunseri, a new coach/system taking over next season and possibly hurt your draft stock for the 2012 draft, Baldwin clarified, “Oh, I misunderstood you … Heck yeah I’m leaving. It can only get worse. They had me running a lot of deep routes [this year] and yards were hard to come by. I barely ran intermediate routes; it felt like they were purposely trying to disrupt my draft stock.”

Not exactly the nicest things to say, and I don’t think he seriously believes they were trying to kill his draft stock.

That said, it was a leading question. Plus it is hard to disagree with his assessment. I mean, we spent all season wondering when he was going to get to go over the middle. To do anything but be a decoy or run deep routes with highly random deep throws.

What has me more disturbed is what he said before the season started.

“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried, because Tino and I haven’t been on the field together that much,” Baldwin told NFLDraftScout.com in an exclusive interview in July. “This is a big year for me, and I made him aware of that; he knows it’s an important year for me, and he’s going to try to help me have a big year.”

Again, not untrue, but a highly selfish statement. Really depressing. Also disappointed that I some how missed that in the offseason. That should have been a huge red flag.

I’m really hoping that Devin Street or some other WR claims #82 in 2011. I just checked and that’s the number on the jersey my daughter wears.





Today must be DeVanzo Vindication Day

Lets not attack Baldwin… he was a credit to this university and brought a lot of accolades and success with his onfield performance… he also waited until the dust settled before going public

However, I have to take his side. Despite how we view athletes, this is their livelihoods and careers. He clearly cared about Pitt as he sayed this year, but wanting to help your draft status is not uncommon or selfish. We are selfish to want them not to care about becoming millionaires and going on to make their family/fans proud by playing in the NFL. By throwing him the ball we are MORE LIKELY TO WIN. This clearly was an issue in the locker room and… BIG SURPRISE… Wanny took Tino’s side.

Tino’s play should have benched him after ND game… and its clear where Baldwin stood on this.

As correctly stated many times on this board… Wanny’s behavior with Tino lost the locker room and many players were not happy with Tino’s preferred treatment and Bostick not given the chance to play

GOOD RIDDANCE

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 1:17 pm

Baldwins attitude speaks volumes about this year’s entire Pitt team, selfishness and no sense of team synergy. This team never seemed to have that chemistry. Their consistent slopy play seemed to signal that they all had bigger egos than actual ability thinking they could get by on natural ability without doing the heavy lifting. This was truly one of the most disappointing Pitt teams in over a decade.

Comment by Coach Ditka 12.08.10 @ 1:24 pm

Some Draft Boards have him going 1st Round if he comes out. He has the size, speed and hands. He should declare. See Romeus. Thanks for 3 nice years and some highlight catches. Let’s just hope the new coach truly opens up the QB job so we can see if Meyers is the real deal. Tino, IMHO, is not. Congrats to Jabaal for being named BE Defensive player of the year. Becoming a Pitt tradition.

Comment by Bossdaws 12.08.10 @ 1:24 pm

Who in the world would be surprised by this statement?

BTW – not too much “dust settled” here really.

Comment by Reed 12.08.10 @ 1:24 pm

1. Go watch a Pitt offseason workout with Baldwin if you think he didnt work hard… that’s just a ridiculous, ignorant statement

2. Wanny and Tino cost him millions of dollars… that matters… despite what you think about student athletes they all care

3. Dust Settled meaning he waited until Wanny was fired to criticize him

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 1:28 pm

Jon Baldwin is a highly talented football player but he will never be confused with Larry Fitzgerald. His “me-first” attitude has been apparent in his play throughout his short tenure at Pitt.

I would be surprised if he is the only highly touted talent on this team that was more worried about his draft profile than the team’s performance. The lack of interest in general was apparent from watching the sideline activities on game days.

The players who stood by Dave at the press conference are to be commeded for their loyalty. But Dave would have been better served if guys like Baldwin had stood by the team on game day.

Comment by Dock71 12.08.10 @ 1:28 pm

I have said from before this season even began that Wanny’s annointment of Sunseri over Bostick would bring this team to the end it has suffered, and that Wannstedt would get what he deserved. Wanny’s steadfast refusal to put Bostick in to try to salvage the UConn or WV game was typical Wanny. As I said on this very blog, what did he have to lose? Bostick saved his season before, it was at least worth a try. Tino certainly wasn’t getting it done!

Wanny stayed just long enough to screw Bostick out of any chance he may have had.

So much fallout from a very unfortunate decision made by a very stubborn man!

Comment by BobKat 12.08.10 @ 1:31 pm

I agree on some of the comments about Baldwin, but HE will play om the next level regardless of the outcome. He was lazy at times, made little effort to come back to the ball….etc..
On another front. Just look at the head coach from the first game of the season. Pitt had a chance with under 2 minutes, I believe 2 or 3 time outs, and approx. the 20 yard line to go for a touchdown and seal the deal against Utah. What did Stache do?? He played not to lose and didn’t go for the win. You DON’T go to overtime when you have a 50-50 shot of winning!!! You have time outs and the red zone to win the game in regulation. You’ve proven over the years this is the same scheme……
Score early and often. Don’t play favorites because you owe seniors the right to play. (In the case of Sunseri there were other factors)
Enough rambling-bottom line Stache-great guy, good recruiter, bleeds Pitt. Stache also terrible game day coach. atrocious time clock management coach, and finally not able to sustain leads or go for the jugular. Time was right even if it means a few months of nervousness.

Comment by beanboy 12.08.10 @ 1:46 pm

Please, Bostick is terrible. Sunseri might not be the next Dan Marino, but no way is he worse than Bostick.

Comment by maguro 12.08.10 @ 1:47 pm

How do you know Bostick is terrible? Did I miss something?

Comment by BobKat 12.08.10 @ 1:49 pm

not sure what Baldwin was expecting when he signed with Pitt. Did he miss how Wanny ruined Palko and the Pitt passing attack. If Baldwin had been at Pitt during the Walt years he would have won a Biletnikoff Award like Larry Fitz and Antonio Bryant however he committed to Wanny and knew what he was signing up for when he committed so it is hard to justify him ripping Wanny now and it just sounds extremely selfish. but the name on the back of the jersey is the biggest print they have on the jersey and the Pitt letters are tiny and about the same size as the Nike logo so is it really surprising that the players are more worried about their draft stock then how many games Pitt wins and loses.

Comment by druc 12.08.10 @ 1:50 pm

Good example of how Jamie wins. “Team trumps “Talent.

Comment by alcofan 12.08.10 @ 1:51 pm

DeVanzo, I don’t hold it against Baldwin for trying to increase his draft position and financial return, but to say he stayed another year because he “clearly cared about Pitt” is talking out of both sides of your post. He stayed because he thought it was to his future NFL draft position. I have no problem with that. He may also care about Pitt, but don’t confuse that with why he stayed. Good luck to him. Hope he goes in the first round.

Comment by TMGPanther 12.08.10 @ 1:56 pm

DeVanzo,

1. Where did anyone say he didn’t work hard?

2. If he was truly concerned, then he should have reached out to Tino over the summer to work on that chemistry. They played together in the Big 33 game (in fact, Tino threw a touchdown to Baldwin in that very game), so it’s not like they were total strangers. Finally, it was clear as early as the spring that Tino was going to be the starter, so they had 5-6 full months to get on the same page.

3. Taking an open shot at a guy the day he’s fired is not “waiting for the dust to settle”. How would you feel if, on the day you were fired, someone sent out an email to your co-workers telling them what a crap job you did? The fact that he thinks Wannstedt and his coaching staff would purposely under utilize him this year to force him to come back next year just shows you the self-centered attitude that Baldwin had.

I was surprised and even proud of the way Baldwin handled himself this entire season, given the circumstances, but his comments last night, in addition to being the wrong forum, were ignorant and selfish. I hope he learns from this, because I can tell you right now…those comments won’t help his draft stock.

Comment by Hank 12.08.10 @ 1:57 pm

DeVanzo,

I don’t blame Baldwin for being frustrated with the way this year turned out and I think he’s correct when he says he wasn’t utilized as much on intermediate or over-the-middle routes. I don’t think Cignetti did a good job building him into the gameplans this year, largely because I don’t think Cignetti/Wannstedt trusted Tino to make the plays. I do think it had an impact on Baldwin’s performance.

But I also think that Baldwin is to be blamed a little bit here as well. Baldwin could only do what he was asked to do by the coaches, but there were times where it seemed like he gave up on routes. I do wonder how hard he worked in some games to try to get open, especially when one of the most publicized criticisms of his game by some of these NFL draftniks was his ability to beat coverage off the line of scrimmage. I don’t recall commentators mentioning during games that Baldwin was busting his ass to get open and Tino just wasn’t finding him. Not absolving Tino here at all; I just think it’s probably a little of both.

To that end, I don’t expect a college football player with such high pro potential to put selfish reasons entirely aside. But in the same respect, I would also hope he doesn’t sacrifice the successes of the team at the expense of his own aspirations. Those two things often will go hand in hand.

Coming into this year, Baldwin was looked at as a potenital leader of this team and that example starts on the field and in the locker room. Word broke early on this year that there were focus and leadership issues on this team, and Zeise said after the Miami game that there were a few unnamed players who others on the team said seemed more concerned about their draft status than they did improving their own gameplay and helping the team win games.

I grew increasingly frustrated watching the playcalling and exectution at the QB position, so I can only imagine Baldwin’s frustration. But these statements do little more than help add teeth to the reports that a few too many high-profile players did not have the team interests ahead of their own.

Comment by Stoosh 12.08.10 @ 1:58 pm

and you think that Wanny’s behavior with Tino lost the locker room? Did you see the players that showed up for his press conference yesterday?

Comment by Hank 12.08.10 @ 1:59 pm

This is what happens when you fire a coach. More to come on the impact on the recruiting front and other fall out. Hopefully, we get a new FB coach soon and move on to basketball.

Comment by TMGPanther 12.08.10 @ 2:04 pm

Maguro,

4 months ago called… it wants its argument back

and yea, that whole 2010 season thing?
it proved the Bostick>Tino

if you watch the tape of 13-9 and ND 4OT, then watch WVU and ND this year… and then come to the conclusion that Tino should have been starting, you are delusional.

This is the best comparison i can give on talent/scheme

looking purely at fundamentals and size, this isnt even an argument.

no more Tino defenses please, i am weary from 5 losses

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 2:06 pm

Wanny cost Baldwin millions? Seriously. What’s next Wanny caused 9/11? Or how about Wanny was the 2nd gunman grassy knoll? Also, in case you weren’t aware Wanny didn’t call individual offensive plays or tell Sunseri to not throw to Baldwin. Besides look at the stats, Baldwin with a decent bowl game will end up with more catches, similar yards and similar TDs compared to last year. So Sunseri really didn’t hurt his performance on the field. And even if Sunseri was horrible, NFL scouts are pretty good at their jobs and can evaluate a WRs individual talents irrespective of the QB. So I wouldn’t worry about Baldwin he will get drafted where the NFL believes he should be drafted.

All of this Bostick vs. Sunseri talk is 100% nonsense. Sunseri wasn’t anointed, but rather Bostick isn’t a D1 starting QB. Don’t point to his big wins, those wins were because of Shady and don’t point to his mop up plays against Miami. His numbers are terrible, he couldn’t make throws and he isn’t mobile. What makes more sense, Sunseri was better and had more potential so he started over Bostick OR Bostick is amazing but because Sunseri is a Pitt guy Wanny put his job at risk and chose the lesser QB. Wanny isn’t stupid. Stop acting like he had it out for Bostick. Seriously, if Wanny is so anti-Bostick, then don’t you think Bostick would have transfered?

Wanny is gone let’s stop trying to kick the man while he is down. I swear some people on here are happier now that Wanny is gone than they would have been had Pitt gone 12-0 this year. Wanny is a Pitt guy people need to treat him with respect and move on and start talking about the future of Pitt football.

Comment by XBlackMagicX 12.08.10 @ 2:08 pm

“I wrote the story on Jonathan Baldwin and let me be the first to tell you that he’s not a bad kid at all. He’s a great kid who cares about his team and was frustrated with how the season unfolded. It’s obvious there were frustrations in the program this year and I think Jon was frustrated when he text me his comments. I wrote a feature on Jon during the summer and when I interviewed him then, he voiced his concerns about adapting to a first-year quarterback, but was also very optimistic. In life when things don’t go your way frustration sets in, and with all the expectations placed on him this year and with Wannstedt — who recruited him — stepping down yesterday, I believe he just reacted. This story shouldn’t be a negative reflection on him, but the result of a disappointing season all-around.”

Chris Steuber Draft Analyst

Note how often the word “frustration” appears. The same word used by someone close to the program when the topic of Tino vs. Myers comes up.

Comment by steve 12.08.10 @ 2:09 pm

I agree with Druc.

Comment by TonyinHouston 12.08.10 @ 2:10 pm

xBlackMagic:
Do you have a secret source of information? Looks like pulling it out of the air.

Comment by TonyinHouston 12.08.10 @ 2:12 pm

Hey Blackmagic

at discerning QB talent and who should play

Baldwin>Blackmagic and Tino defenders

End of story

The team wanted Bostick, period

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 2:12 pm

In the great Tino debate, let’s see who wins the starting job when a fair competition is held. Could be Tino, maybe someone else.

Comment by TonyinHouston 12.08.10 @ 2:14 pm

It wasn’t Tino vs. Bostick, it was Tino vs. Myers. Many wanted to see Myers at least be given a chance.

Comment by steve 12.08.10 @ 2:17 pm

Oh the subjective look how good Bostick looked handing the ball off to Shady argument, so he clearly is better than Sunseri.

13-9 Game:
10/19 67 yards 0 TDs 2 INT

4 OT Game:
14/27 164 yards 1 TD 3 INT

Awesome numbers…

Comment by XBlackMagicX 12.08.10 @ 2:22 pm

And now this, “Baldwin backs off…”

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by steve 12.08.10 @ 2:22 pm

Thank god Myers wasn’t given a chance, now he can have a chance to develop under a new offensive scheme that may actually allow him to utilize his

And Bostick has no business in D1 football let alone starting. Great kid, hard worker, may know his stuff, but complete lack of talent.

Comment by Henry Hynoceros 12.08.10 @ 2:23 pm

Hank, its too bad those players that stood by wanny at the press conference didn’t show up for him on game days.

I remember the same sort of comments and feelings after Walt was let go. Tyler Palko was very vocal if I recall. Its the typical reaction of a 19-20 year old kid that is instantly texting, tweeting, facebooking his gut reaction. It is obvious these kids had some true feelings for the stache and that is a shame but this move was ultimately necessary to move this program forward.

Comment by Coach Ditka 12.08.10 @ 2:25 pm

link to espn.go.com

“He was working with a first-year starter at quarterback and turned Brandon Weeden into one of the most productive passers in the country. Oklahoma State’s top returning receiver has been hurt for most of the season, but he took a player with 20 career receptions and helped make Justin Blackmon the favorite for the Biletnikoff Award.

That’s not to say this is a gimmicky, chuck-and-duck offense. His running back was an All-American two years ago, and Kendall Hunter is right back there again this year, needing 39 yards to equal his production in 2008.

His passing offense ranks No. 2 nationally. His rushing offense ranks No. 31. Together, it ranks No. 3 in scoring offense and No. 2 in total offense.

And all that came from behind an offensive line with four new starters this year.”

Youth and inexperience will not be an issue for Dana. Make the move, Steve.

Comment by Hollywood 12.08.10 @ 2:25 pm

hahahaha love it Hollywood

every one of those would have been a preseason excuse for the yinzer buffoon

it will be great to have a coach who makes more W’s then excuses

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 2:26 pm

Classic DeVanzo argument ignore objective numbers and attack the person.

Where is all your information that the team wanted Tino? Baldwin does not equal the whole.

I know for a fact that Mike Shanahan really likes Tino as QB. There is also the report that some players will refuse to play in the bowl game if Wanny isn’t coach. So your whole team wanted Bostick argument fails.

The Pitt program is much better off with Myers being redshirted. He still has 4 years of eligibility left.

Comment by XBlackMagicX 12.08.10 @ 2:27 pm

X – There was a TD in 13-9, when Bostick crawled across the line.

Yes, Bostic had Shady, but Tino had Lewis, Graham, Baldwin, Shanahan, Street and Cruz.

Comment by BobKat 12.08.10 @ 2:28 pm

Hey Blackmagic

not sure if you ever played football before, but only one stat matters

Bostick @ ND, @ #2 WVU 2-0

Tino @home ND, WVU 0-2

qb’s win big games

one laid two eggs, one won historic victories

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 2:31 pm

Baldwin is not Fitz but he was also in a different QB situation. He made a lot of great plays but the QB gave him a chance. Tino a lot times threw passes that weren’t even in the same zip code. That’s why Tino be playing in the secondary next year.

Comment by Pittastic 12.08.10 @ 2:32 pm

again

ENOUGH of the Tino argument

hes not playing next year anyway

on to the next subject on DeVanzo vindication day

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 2:33 pm

link to sbnation.com

Meyer resigns from Florida again.

Comment by Hollywood 12.08.10 @ 2:34 pm

Potential new head coach. Not in this lifetime.

link to sports.espn.go.com

Comment by FLPittAlum 12.08.10 @ 2:35 pm

I meant Fitz made a lot of great plays.

Comment by Pittastic 12.08.10 @ 2:35 pm

Trent Dilfer 1-0 in a Super Bowl and Dan Marino 0-1. Winning is the only stat that matters so you can have Dilfer and I’ll take Marino.

Comment by XBlackMagicX 12.08.10 @ 2:47 pm

and id have a super bowl ring and you wouldnt

i think Baltimore fans win

jesus what is your point? because mine is that Tino sucked in big games against real defenses and Bostick won two historic games for Pitt.

Oh yea, and when Bostick was the qb the players werent fighting with each other on twitter etc… again, not sure if you ever played football but leadership matters

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 2:52 pm

As of this moment, the only thing hurting Jon Baldwin’s draft chances is Jon Baldwin.

The retraction was largely made by daddy Jeff, and it sounds like it was after he took Johnny out to the woodshed.

Comment by Spanky 12.08.10 @ 3:10 pm

I love how the SAME PEOPLE who pined and longed for Tino to play over Stull throughout the entire 09 season (shoot, going all the way back to the 09 blue and gold game) now all the sudden knew all along that Tino was lousy.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 12.08.10 @ 3:11 pm

The idea that Bostick won the 13-9 game is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

There’s a whole list of guys who did more to win that game than PB did. McCoy, Romeus, McKillop and Lee just to name a few.

Comment by maguro 12.08.10 @ 3:13 pm

Hey Jonathan, maybe if you could ever get off the line in less than 5 seconds you would have got some balls! At the same time, they did have you run the same route all year I will agree!!

Comment by DAN 12.08.10 @ 3:17 pm

@Maguro – Add Pat McAfee to that list.

Comment by CalvinHobbes 12.08.10 @ 3:20 pm

TMG panther, you are right on. When these things happen, you’ll have some players be mad, some quit, some change colleges, lose some recruits, it’s all part of a coach getting the boot!! No big deal, this will die down. There is only one important decision, and that is with Steve and Mark. Then, we go from there and move forward!!!

Comment by DAN 12.08.10 @ 3:24 pm

Bostick still sucks and him being in there wouldn’t have changed a thing this season. This team lost a lot of games they could have won and it certainly wasn’t solely because of quarterback play.

Baldwin may work out hard, and he certainly is a physical freak, but I question his mentality and tenacity. He quit on routes all the time and is absolutely horrible at adjusting to balls when they are in the air. I hope he does well in the NFL, but his comments (although he is correct on many levels) are childish and selfish and the team is better off without a guy who has that kind of attitude.

Comment by TJ 12.08.10 @ 3:24 pm

DeVanzo, Bostick did not “win” those games. He was fortunate that the rest of the team was able to overcome his terrible play. He seems like a smart, likeable guy, but he’s an awful quarterback.

Football is a team game; the game result often won’t reflect the performance of any one individual. I too would take Marino over Dilfer.

Comment by Navy Panther 12.08.10 @ 3:25 pm

haha this is GREAT!

so you guys believe that if Pat was qb we would have went 7-5 or worse?

what alternate universe is this?

just admit you were wrong, that he sucks, that he couldnt win ONE BIG GAME ALL YEAR, that wanny was clueless, and its time to clean house

because guess what

THATS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW

moving right along on DeVanzo Vindication Day!

its so fun to have HOPE again with this program

Comment by DeVanzo 12.08.10 @ 3:28 pm

It’s time to let the Sunseri/Bostick debate rest. Almost nobody thinks that Bostick is a D1-quality starter. The real debate is Sunseri/Myers.

Comment by Navy Panther 12.08.10 @ 3:36 pm

myers may be out if we bring in a spread offense, he does not run well, i am guessing he doesnt, which lead to gonzalez being in the mix with tino…

Comment by mike 12.08.10 @ 3:38 pm

I just want it to be clear that Sunseri is very limited in what he can do, and to a certain extent the play at the qb position limited what this team could do this year (i.e. not being able to throw a deep ball) BUT, Bostick wouldn’t have changed anything and I truly believe he would have had less success. He has a weaker arm than Tino, has worse feet, is slower and is less athletic. His presence wouldn’t have fixed the myriad of problems that plagued this team all season.

Nobody thinks Tino is some stud qb who is going to lead this team to the promised land, but the reality is he was the best qb on the team this year. I hope that that isn’t the case in 2011 and that Myers is a)actually given a shot and b) is able to rise to the occasion.

Comment by TJ 12.08.10 @ 3:42 pm

I have never seen people turn on quarterbacks quite like some Pitt fans like to. It’s a little ridiculous the way TIno Sunseri gets ripped apart, just like it is ridiculous the way Bill Stull got torn apart. It’s kind of funny because I remember when people would chant for him every single time Stull dropped back to pass. What exactly do you want? If Wanny had gone with Bostick than everybody would have been talking about how Tino should have been playing. Despite the overthrown balls and bad decisions, Tino Sunseri is not the only reason Pitt is 7-5. There were plenty of missed tackles, dropped balls, penalties, blown coverages, and missed blocks to go around. If Stull could become a 1st team all-BE quarterback then so can Tino, cut the kid some slack – it was his first year starting.

Comment by NorCalPanther 12.08.10 @ 3:50 pm

Coach Ditka,

I was just contending with Devanzo’s assertion that Wanny lost the locker room because of his decision to keep Tino in all year, which goes along with all of the wildly speculative statements he’s been making all afternoon.

Comment by Hank 12.08.10 @ 3:51 pm

Jimbo, mea culpa.

Comment by steve 12.08.10 @ 4:13 pm

I learn so much on this board. Pat Bostick & trent Dilfer are better qb’s than Dan Marino… Every curent Pitt player hates Wannstedt, you always dump a veteran when a freshmen plays a good game (Stupid Jamie Dixon better learn that one – Can’t stand how he started degroat over Troutman). Wannstedy caused 9-11…. lol

Baldwin (an athletic marvel) can’t make up his mind. Coaches ruined him; coaches made him, loved Tino in preseason because of the time Tino spent throwing him the ball at all hours of the day & night to work on their timing, but now hates him because he never shared a field with him. Then he’s leaving, then he’s not.. (oh wait, that last paragraph was true.

Can’t wait until bball loses in the BE Tournament or in the Sweet 16 then the same fans who are here every March which boast again about how Dixon can’t get to the next level… Don’t believe me, check last March.

Oh, and unless you know some players or their parents, you don’t know crap about how they feel or felt. Enough of this I know someone who heard from this players cousin…

Thanks for trying, Dave. It didn;t work out. Good luck helping the AD in whatever capacity that is. Let’s get a good coach and win some games. The talen is there and I expect 10-2 or better next year.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.08.10 @ 5:07 pm

we need dana holgorsen

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.08.10 @ 5:17 pm

Wait, no one else on this thread has ever said something stupid and vindictive that they didn’t really mean in the heat of the moment? Wow. You guys are perfect. I’m 40 and I did that just last week. I guess I’m no better than Jon Baldwin.

Comment by Chris 12.08.10 @ 5:19 pm

Pinkston wrote, “These people don’t know they made the biggest mistake ever letting OUR coach go. He’s more than just a coach, he’s a father to 96 kids on the team. We came from many different backgrounds. Some of us wouldn’t be in college or have the chance to experience college football. We have players on our team who have been turned down at other D1 schools and he took them in and made them family. Thank you coach for everything. You’ve done so much for me and my family. I would never of had this chance if it weren’t for you. I know my mother greatly appreciates what you have done for us. He didn’t deserve this from a guy who only came and switched us from ADIDAS to NIKE. Thank you, God bless, hail to Pitt and coach “Wann” and his family.”

Read more: link to post-gazette.com

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.08.10 @ 5:26 pm

Someone mentioned, Sunseri might not be the next coming of Marino. Hell… he isn’t even he next coming of David Priestly.

Best thing for Pitt would be if Tino transfers out, which he will probably do, since he knows his Uncle Wanny is no long there to hand him the starting QB job with no honest competition.

This program needs a fresh start, free of nepotism and favoritism. And the new coach needs to let Myers and incoming frosh & highly rated Gary Nova battle for the starting job next year. And if they aren’t capable yet, I know Bostick would be ready, willing & able.

Comment by carolinapanther 12.08.10 @ 5:59 pm

Devanzo, if you happened to see DW at an Airport, or on a street corner, would you walk up to him and call him a “yinzer buffoon” to his face? Same goes to the few others on here that have referred to the man as an “idiot” and a “moron”. C’mon man, dial it down, its over!… I do agree with you that at some point early in the season, Bostick should have been given a chance. I’m not anti-Tino, I’m pro-Pitt. Tino clearly struggled a lot this year, and particularly so in the first half of games. I’m sure the last thing JoePa wanted to do was yank his 6’4, 5 Star Freshman QB for a 6 ft walk on, but that is just what he did. Why? Because Bolden just was not getting it done, and when that happens you give No. 2 a shot…they practice too! And for those of you that keep doing it, please stop putting up Bostick’s stats from his true FR year and two years ago and saying they DEFINITELY indicate how he would have played this year, his fourth year in the program. Maybe they would and maybe he would have improved the play at our QB position. We will never know, because he was not given the chance.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.08.10 @ 6:52 pm

I don’t think people put up the stats to show “they DEFINITELY indicate how he would have played this year”. It was to refute someone saying Bostick carried Pitt to victory in those games.

I realize someone will say I must be dreaming or delusional to say this, but LeSean McCoy carried Pitt in both of those games. The defense helped a lot at WVU as well as all the help from WVU. We won in spite of qb play… This year we couldn’t win much more even with better qb play…

Let’s move on. Let’s go Pitt.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 12.08.10 @ 8:17 pm

Any chance Anthony Gonzalez gets a chance to play QB, or is he destined for d-back?

Battle next year should be Myers vs Gonzalez vs this Nova kid. Bostick gets a clipboard, Tino moves into the bostick role from this year.

I too think Tino sucks, but so does Bostick. He moves like Bledsoe at the end of his career.

I also get annoyed how we hear how well Bostick accepts his role as mentor and backup to Tino. If he had some fire he’d be freaking out and telling the staff he’s the man. If your so happy on the sideline why would anyone write one post calling for you to play.

Comment by Mike 12.08.10 @ 8:34 pm

I was a Wanny guy but since he’s gone the one good thing we’ll see hopefully is open competition everywhere.

Comment by Mike 12.08.10 @ 8:37 pm

Right on Bowling Green Panther.

And you are so right about the Dixon comments too, they’ll be here in March unless we win a Nat’l Championship (which I believe will happen within the next 4-5 years, its only a matter of time).

There’s just something about some Pitt fans, they love to gripe and moan and complain. They’re practically happier when Pitt loses. I sat behind a guy at the basketball game tonight who called Gary McGhee a dufus every time he touched the ball and literally had nothing positive to say about any player. Meanwhile, the team had 6 turnovers tonight, played defense, rebounded and shared the ball and beat the crap out of a team that they’re supposed to beat the crap out of. Some people will never be happy.

Comment by TJ 12.08.10 @ 9:23 pm

TJ, with all due respect, that is the same all over the country, at every university, and every pro team. Fans are fans, idiots everywhere. Good example, heard on the radio this week, someone complaining about fans at either at Pitt, Pens, or Steelers game leaving the stadium earlier. Turned on the Florida-Fla. St game, Florida State whipping the Gators at Florida Field. Hotbed of college football right?? Stadium was half empty with 7 minutes to go. Same everywhere. Believe, there is someone right now, in Auburn, Al. saying, “you know, I like Cam Newton, but, if he could just make better decisions sometimes”. There is someone in Columbus, Oh. calling a radio station and saying, “I know we win a lot, but, when are we really gonna win?” and there is someone in Eugene, Or. saying, “I don’t care if we win, these uniforms are horrible, I can’t stand watching them”. Not inherent to Pitt fans.

Comment by DAN 12.08.10 @ 11:38 pm

TJ, for a funny, was at the Pens game the other night, two roww back, a guy is yelling, “c’mon Crosby, put it on net!!!” ha ha LMAO!!!!! They’re everywhere brother!!!

Comment by DAN 12.08.10 @ 11:45 pm

You guys completely miss the point with the QB issue… it wasn’t that Bostick was a better QB than Sunseri and it wasn’t that Sunseri was the starter. It was that DW never conducted an honest and open competition for a starting position that didn’t have a returning starting player attached to it.

And yes, that action created huge rifts in the locker room because every other players at different positions had to bust ass to try to beat out the other kids fighting for a chance to play – but Sunseri didn’t.

Don’t kid yourselves that that didn’t infect this last season… it did and bled over into the games as evidence by the acts of direct defiance (Sunseri turning his back ob DW when called over to talk to him after an INT and Reed laughing right after DW yelled at him on the sidelines were just two such examples) we saw on TV.

There was a reason Baldwin tweeted this…”Reached through text message Tuesday evening and asked if it was safe to say he would forego his senior year with Wannstedt stepping down, Baldwin responded, “No, it’s not safe to say that. It doesn’t change my quarterback!” (BTW, that quote was deleted after being posted on S.I. for an hour or so by the Blog author but Smizik had seen it, as had I, and used it in his own Blog)

You don’t say that about a teammate unless you have zero personal and professional respect for him. That wasn’t just directed at Sunseri’s lack of deep throwing accuracy folks, that addressed the negative relationship that between Sunseri and Baldwin and also the rest of the offense. It was a real problem and was alluded to numerous times by Paul Zeise over the last two months.

The sense of entitlement DW created with his horrible decision to forgo competition at the leadership position of the offense completely backfired and every one knew it.

But the bottom line here is that this isn’t on Sunseri’s shoulders at all. He was set up for this by DW’s ineptitude as an effective leader and DW’s inability to understand what his decision was going to cost down the road. I have some problems with the way Sunseri plays QB but have maintained that it was true that he probably gave PITT the best chance to win as a starting QB… what I never agreed with was the anointment (and he clearly was) of Sunseri without making him fight for the job.

Comment by Reed 12.09.10 @ 4:15 am

Comment by Bowling Green Panther: “Can’t wait until bball loses in the BE Tournament or in the Sweet 16 then the same fans who are here every March which boast again about how Dixon can’t get to the next level… Don’t believe me, check last March.”

So how is Dixon so different than Wannstedt? If Pitt Men’s BB chokes again in the tournament he should be fired as well — fair is fair Pederson!

Comment by BC 12.09.10 @ 8:48 am

Reed – It seems that if anyone has a “sense of entitlement” here, it’s Baldwin.

Pat Bostick can’t throw a freakin’ spiral, conducting an open competition for QB in camp wouldn’t have changed that.

Comment by maguro 12.09.10 @ 9:10 am

Maguro – While I disagree about your comment regarding Bostick’s ability to ‘throw a spiral’ you are correct that Sunseri has the better arm… but you missed my point completely about the lack of any real competition at the position.

Sunseri might as well have had “It’s Me, Yo!” tattooed across his forehead after last year’s bowl game.

Comment by Reed 12.10.10 @ 4:28 am

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