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April 6, 2009

And only a week of spring practice left.

I’ve followed along. I’ve read Kevin Gorman’s blog along Cat Basket for almost daily sources. I’ve read the articles in the papers. At the same time, I can’t say I’ve put much thought into spring practices.

Here are what seem to be the some of the main things right now.

Running Back: Dion Lewis, a freshman early enrollee, has apparently been the best RB in the spring. Either Chris Burns was simply passed, or he hasn’t shown the same fire from last summer’s practices. The battle is not settled, but it is not as expected to be Burns and Shariff Harris battling to see who starts and who spells.

Quarterback: Bill Stull will still be the starter at QB, but he is not going to make it easy on himself. No one is or should be shocked that Coach Wannstedt declared that the job was Stull’s to lose. The disappointing thing is that he has not shown much beyond being a senior this coming season and having the backing of the head coach. That’s not to say that Tino Sunseri and Pat Bostick are getting the shaft. It’s simply that the QB position will continue to be a major source of angst for Pitt fans. Interesting observation from an outsider on Sunseri:

Sunseri is the best athlete, but he’s smaller in person than I expected. He’s listed at 6-foot-2 but looks a good couple of inches shorter than Stull and Bostick, who are each listed at 6-3.

I had to go back and check Pitt’s media guide, but yeah, they do list Sunseri at 6-2. All reports I could remember when he was a senior in HS was that he was barely 6-0. In college, you can argue that is not a big deal. Plenty of players thrive despite being 6-0 or under. I would be more concerned if this was still Matt Cavanaugh’s offense. I have some concerns since Pitt does run a pro-set and therefore may not give a shorter QB the lanes to pass with the lines — instead counting on the QB to throw over the lines.

New OC Frank Cignetti is trying not to declare a starter — despite what his boss is saying — so that is still something to keep an eye on.

One interesting development with regards to Pat Bostick is this:

Bostick has looked more and more comfortable this spring, and completed 9 of 17 passes for 72 yards with a touchdown and an interception in the scrimmage.

Where Bostick has shown the most improvement is in the velocity on his passes, a credit to Cignetti. Bostick isn’t showing signs of the windup or hitch in his delivery, and threw some nice deep balls in his first series. The Panthers ran a flea-flicker to Oderick Turner that was broken up by DeCicco and then a deep sideline route that Dorin Dickerson dropped. Bostick also went deep to Jonathan Baldwin, who let the pass slip through his hands, and showed some savvy by flicking a shovel pass to Lewis to avoid a sack when Caragein was draped on his back that gained a first down.

If this is true and consistent, well, then it is a significant change in the course of Pat Bostick’s possibilities. He’s still slow afoot, but if he is able to pass effectively and with force without the hitch and wind-up it is great news.

And yes, if this is Cignetti’s work, then it is a significant indictment on former OC Matt Cavanaugh’s ability to develop, work with, and teach college QBs. Something that was obvious and a significant issue for two years with a young QB is disappearing in spring practices under a new OC that has been here barely six weeks.

Center: I admit to being a bit puzzled by this one. Robb Houser was brought in last year from the JUCO ranks and immediately became the starting center. By all appearances, he seemed to be doing a well-enough job. Definitely better than the previous year’s efforts at the position. Then he suffers a broken ankle and was lost for the second half of the season. C.J. Davis slid over and did a great job filling in.

Now, it seems Houser can’t beat walk-on Alex Karabin. Is this a lingering effect from the injury — out of shape, not all the way healthy, no effort? No clear answer. What is obvious is that Pitt is still scrambling to find someone else who can take the reigns. That may mean moving John Malecki to center.

The extent of John Malecki’s experience playing center was hiking six snaps in the first practice for the Big 33 Football Classic in July 2006. It was enough to convince coaches he was a guard.

Malecki will be a senior. This smacks of desperation. It’s also a big problem stemming from Pitt’s failure to recruit an actual center, and failing to develop one from the offensive linemen recruited. I don’t find this to be second-guessing Pitt’s recruiting priorities. There have been plenty of questions about Pitt not recruiting an actual center.

Nothing was recruited on the Center spot once more this past year. It has been a point — to blind arrogance — that the o-linemen Pitt recruits can be moved wherever on the line. It’s a great concept, but it hasn’t held at the center spot. Last year worked out with C.J. Davis, but that  was the exception. John Bachman, Greg Gaskins, and other efforts to actually move to the spot have all failed.

Sorry. Maybe I’m being a bit hard on this one. It might all work itself out,  but Center  has been a problem for all but one year so far under Wannstedt. At some point, you have to make an effort to actually recruit a real center.

Jonathan Baldwin: He looks dominant.

More Later.





In Bostick I trust.

Comment by Orange Julius Page 04.06.09 @ 12:26 am

I wanted to make one last comment on a great basketball year. My opinion on something overlooked about Pitt in the press the entire year. Something that you can be assured the coaches in the Big East did not overlook rather they sang praises so thatPitt would have a false sense of security. In my opinion Fields was extremely overrated. He could not break a press becaue he was too slow on the dribble. He was not a good defender because of his slow foot work. His lack of quickness with the ball limited his ability to penetrate letting the defense to play honest on Blair and Young. His greatest weakness was his outside shooting due to shooting mechanics so flawed that the defenses were designed to encourage him to shoot. If he had developed a jump shoot the National Chamionship would be in Pittsburgh and possibly an undefeated season. This may sound extreme to many but has anyone evr noticed that when Blair sets a impassible pick at the top of the key the defenders do not switch, in fact Blairs man does not even step out. The reason is the defense is designed to encourage him to shoot and keep a body on Blair. Blair is built like Karl Malone and sets a devistating pick and could roll to the basket for easy points if Fields could shoot at all. Statistics can mislead if all variables are not controlled. Fields assist rate was not very high, it was his assist to turnover ratio. If the defense does not respect a player and does not pressure a player he will not commit many turnovers. Consider the problems teams would have if Dixon had worked extensively with Gibbs on his ball handling as soon as he hit the campus. When Blair set the screen at the top of the key the defense would have to react to leave Blair to contest the shot (Stockton to Malone -pick and roll) or give up an open look to a legitimate 3 point shotter. As mentioned the opposing coaches sang praises and Pitt and the Press fell into the trap and especially Fields who like Krauser before him was a marginal player but who Dixon would annoit as the team leader and they would believe the clippings.
Another last thought – Because of Blairs improvement Sam Young got lost in the glory. Watching both players in my opinion Young is a much more dangerous and quality player than Tyler
“Overrated

Comment by drw 04.06.09 @ 12:45 am

Well, good for you that Fields is graduated so you don’t have to worry about him anymore drw.

Anyhow, is the spring game going to be on NFL Network again this year? I was hoping that would be a yearly thing.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my dad 04.06.09 @ 12:48 am

drw should focus less on a departed player who represented the team quite well and worry more about being a joke.

No doubt all those Big East coaches pulled the wool over Jamie’s eyes by praising Levance. They even voted him 3rd team all-conference so that Jamie would get complacent. Sam Young really did get lost in the glory, what with being an All-American and getting praised every time the team was on national TV.

In a classic bait and switch, I will now praise drw’s ability to write a coherent argument so that he will fall into the trap of posting more often. Well done, Sir!

Finally, I also agree that Sam is a more dangerous player than “Tyler” assuming that “Tyler” refers to Tyler Smith, Tyler Palko, Tyler Durden, Steven Tyler, President John Tyler, and economist Tyler Cowen.

Though, he has a long way to go to supplant Tyler Kennedy…KENNEDY!

Comment by Orange Julius Page 04.06.09 @ 1:19 am

Chas – great to see you back on the “major league” sport at PITT – Football!! (just kidding).

I never got the sense that Wannstedt was declaring that Bill Stull was absolutely the starter for the opening game when he was saying those things. I thought he meant the Stull was more like QB1 at that point and would go into Spring practice getting the 1st team reps right off the bat – which happened.

Anyway, what matters is if the HC has truly vested his new OC with the authority to make his own decisions or not. I’m starting to believe that he just may have… maybe, we’ll see. If so then I think there’s a real possibility we’ll see a change at that position if Pat Bostick keeps playing the way he has been. And why not, I’ll remind the fans that when Bostick was the starting QB – with those poor results – he was only 18 years old for the whole 2007 season. I forgot that, and that’s rather eyeopening to think about. He is older now and has worked to change his physical attributes over the last two years, and that’s starting to show. I wish him luck as I don’t want to have a QB by default in there this season.

What would crack me up is if there really was an open competition and Cignetti himself thought Bill Stull would be the guy to best give PITT the chance to win football games. Wow – the PITT fans would NEVER believe that in a million years.

It’s going to be an interesting Summer Camp for sure. We have at least two very highly thought of recruits coming in who play positions of need – Graham at RB and Mason at MLB. Although what a pleasant surprise Lewis has been at RB so far. Not only fast and shifty, but has been running with some real power (and why not at 5’8″?? and 190 pounds), in his photos you can see he has a huge lower body – and DW has been talking him up a storm. We’ll see if that holds through the next four months – and as there is no returning starter at that position we could just possibly have a newcomer to the roster take the job.

I’m not too concerned about Houser or the OL at all at this point. IMO the real concern isn’t Houser’s play but whether he can come back fully from his injury to regain his 2008 form, which was good. If anything I’m glad to see both Nix and Jacobson getting their first team reps in. We could have a real strong unit there, and I trust Wise to pull it together. I though our new OL coach did an excellent job last season. If so, that would go a long way in easing our questions at QB and RB.

I’m more concerned about WR at this point. Baldwin will make some plays, but I don’t think he’ll be our “money” receiver yet – you know, the one we can count on to execute well every play and be the go-to guy for first downs. I’m not sure any WR has shown that yet. Porter will be a loss, albeit one that IMO has to happen. we have talent at the wR position, and I’m looking forward to watching Shanahan play this season – and think we’ll see DD split out more often than we have before. Mike Cruz is opening eyes and could be our second TE when needed (I think, don’t know how his blocking is yet).

So – even though this is Spring ball and half our starters aren’t either going full speed or even practicing with contact, I’m getting optimistic things may be better than we were left with after the disappointing bowl loss. Defensively we may be top notch, and that would ease some growing pains we are bound to experience on offense.

Comment by Reed 04.06.09 @ 5:02 am

Chas, I thought you hit the nail right on the head! I too was reading both Pgh papers following the spring practices and found articles/updates on the likes of L Nix, M Caregin, D Lewis, A Gunn, M Gruder, etc. to be pretty interesting ….. but nothing peaked my interest more than to read that ‘P Bostick is not showing signs of a hitch or wind-up in his delivery’ DID CIGNETTI ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING IN 1 1/2 MONTHS THAT CAV DIDN”T DO IN 1 1/2 YEARS? Think about it!!

Comment by w bill 04.06.09 @ 8:18 am

Also, off topic but FWIW, Sean Miller reported rejected Arizona’s offer of $2m+

Comment by w bill 04.06.09 @ 8:26 am

Julius: Very funny!

I enjoyed meeting you at the UConn game. You are a true gentleman. And you have not aged an iota since your playing days even though you say your legs are gone.

I wish you much success in the future.

Comment by steve 04.06.09 @ 10:12 am

Thanks DRW — nice to know there are other folks out there who don’t automatically follow the media line on Fields. I think he was a solid assist guy and a good team leader and a guy who wanted to take clutch shots, but also think he held Pitt back this year. I know you can’t have everything in a player, but asking a PG to shoot a decent percentage, not take bad shots and play at least some defense isn’t unreasonable.

Also agree that Sam Young got lost in the media explosion around Blair, which is unfortunate, because he was really special.

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 10:15 am

Back to spring drills, don’t know why it takes an outsider to notice that Sunseri is small. I’ve mentioned that fact numerous times on this blog……..he’s certainly a more mobile QB than Stull and Bostick and throws better than both of them, too, but he’s probably not 6 ft tall. Less of an issue in college, for sure….

I know I’d still much rather see Tino back there than Stull or Bostick……

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 10:21 am

For the record, Tyler Cowen is kind of a hero of mine.

Comment by Jeff 04.06.09 @ 10:42 am

Chase Daniel and Todd Reesing are 6’0″ and 5’11” respectively, and are both better than any QB Pitt has had since at least Rod, and probably really since Van Pelt. It isn’t impossible to succeed in big time college ball with limited QB size. Matthew Stafford is going to be a top pick because of his perfect QB body for the NFL, and obviously he has a lot of tools, but in college, I’d have rather had Daniel or Reesing pretty much every day of the week. Those guys did a lot more to win games for their teams in college, despite the fact that they won’t necessarily star (or maybe even play) at the next level. And don’t tell me its all about Daniel having Jeremy Maclin, either. Daniel set several school and conference records for accuracy and attempts between interceptions. They weren’t ALL to Maclin. And Reesing’s best possession receiver was his former backup, Kerry Meier. Fact is, heady, mobile, undersized quarterbacks can take teams to BCS games. If Sunseri is our best QB, put him in there. If Bostick is, let’s have it. If Stull is, may God help us.

Comment by maz. 04.06.09 @ 11:19 am

Off-topic basketball stuff from ESPN’s Andy Katz:

“Pitt sophomore DeJuan Blair will have an interesting decision to make. He was co-Big East player of the year and created a lot of buzz this season. But there are reservations about him playing too low below the rim by NBA personnel. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he heeded the advice and returned to Pitt.”

Source: link to tinyurl.com

Comment by Dave in Orlando 04.06.09 @ 11:30 am

One more year isn’t going to move Blair’s game up above the rim…….

Love to see him back, but that reason makes zero sense.

Hate to say it, but you go while the buzz is there. Next year, with no PG and no Young, figures to be challenging and there won’t be half as much “buzz” around the program.

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 12:09 pm

Even though there is buzz maybe this means NBA people have no interest in drafting him high period. Maybe they believe he’s not cut out for the league. In that case it wouldn’t be worth leaving, not now, maybe not next year. It could mean one of 2 things, he needs to stay and develop some sort of midrange game, or he should stay and get a degree because NBA people don’t see him really making it in the league. So it does make some sense. But it all depends what the NBA people are actually thinking.

Comment by Ontario Lett's Go Pitt 04.06.09 @ 12:18 pm

I love watching him and I think he’ll always be a way more exciting college player than pro player, but Blair should probably leave. His ace in the hole right now is that he not only played superbly, but he improved himself A TON. That counts for a lot in the eyes of the NBA talent evaluators. Its why sophomores usually go ahead of seniors. Its why Luke Harangody made a big mistake in coming back. Not that he didn’t have a good year, but he had basically the same year. And when you’re not improving, you’re standing still…and getting passed by. No one in their right mind had Blair ahead of Harangody after last season, for instance. Now? I know who I’d want. I can’t see Blair creating any more buzz than he already has. His numbers really couldn’t go that far up, either. I guess he’d be the odds-on favorite to repeat as BE POY if he came back, with the likely losses of Thabeet and Harangody to the draft (and possible defections of Samardo Samuels and Greg Monroe). All of those guys would leave a cavernous opening in the middle of the floor in which Blair already roamed free this year. Still, he’s not getting drafted any higher than he is now, unless he comes back next year with a 16 foot jumper and better post defense. (And if he’s going to do that, he’ll be the national player of the year without a doubt.)

Comment by maz. 04.06.09 @ 12:19 pm

I understand what people are saying but I think the issue is if the NBA thinks players will make it in the league. The NBA isn’t like the NFL where if you get drafted high you’ll likely stick around for several years and make a career with a team. Talented college players drop out of the league in a year or two all the time. Harangody didn’t make a mistake because he probably isn’t cut out for the NBA period. Harangody is better off staying four years and going through a college education because I just don’t think he is an NBA player. Had he gone, he may have not made it, or flamed out in a year or two. I just can’t see him rebounding and defending at that level. I’m not saying this is the case with Blair, I think he has loads of potential compared to Harangody, but I think its something that must be thought about.

Comment by Ontario Lett's Go Pitt 04.06.09 @ 12:29 pm

I agree that Blair probably will leave, largely for the reasons stated by maz, hugh, and Ontario above. The draft is relatively weak this year, and there is no guarantee his profile will be higher next year (and may in fact be lower). Also, as hugh points out, another year in college will not transform Blair into an above-the-rim type player. Therefore, the only reasons I could see for him returning would be to work on an intermediate game, and to have one more year being the “star” of the team. The problem with the first proposition is that even if he works hard to develop an intermediate game, he is not likely to have a lot of opportunities to show it off next year. If he is going to be drafted in the first round, he can do that type of work in the big leagues. NBA teams routinely take players less developed than Blair if they believe they have potential. As for being the star attraction, there is a good chance he will never rise to that level in the NBA, but a couple million dollars might make that a little less important.

I’d love to see him back, but at this point, I would be pleasantly surprised.

Comment by Pantherman13 04.06.09 @ 12:40 pm

There is a minority of Pitt fans that will always hate our PG and our QB unless they win a National Championship (See Palko, Krauser, and now Fields). There is no question that our BB Team was far better with Fields on the court than off of it. Fields was an excellent PG that made every member of his team better when he was on the floor. Is he Ty Lawson, no, but then damn few other PG’s are.

Comment by HbgFrank 04.06.09 @ 1:39 pm

HbgFrank: Absolutely dead-on. Fields was one of the five best point guards in the nation. Absolutely no question about it.

Ontario: We’re going to have to agree to disagree. Harangody was a mid-first round pick last year. Blair the same this year. That’s several million in guaranteed money. Staying may have pushed Harangody toward the second round, where $0 is guaranteed. Same with Blair. You can ALWAYS go back and get your education. In fact, I believe that most universities allow scholarship athletes to come back and finish their degrees at no charge. Even if they don’t, a few million from the draft would be enough to cover Blair or Harangody’s educations. The linchpin here is that staying longer hurts your stock in terms of potential. That’s why I say he should go. Guaranteed millions, and the best possible chance of being a pro player? (Reasoning there is two-fold: 1) they’re paying you the money, so they’re going to keep you on the team if you’re decent through at least the first year of the rookie contract; 2) working with NBA coaches, players, trainers, et cetera is BY FAR the most important thing in a player’s development from college to the pros.)

Comment by maz. 04.06.09 @ 2:07 pm

Fields was a great PG for Pit but he did have limitations and speed was the main one. Blair can go to the NBA in the first round because of the way he rebounds which does not necessitate playing “above the rim” due to his thickness and length. But I for one believe that if he develops a mid-range game he will be more than just a rebounder. He will have the ability to become an eventual 12-15 ppg player.

As for Baldwin it needs to be remembered that he is still learning to play receiver. While he has natural athletic abilities, Jonathan is a work in progress in the areas of running routes, understanding plays/schemes and various other intricacies of playing the position.

No way Sunseri starts this year. That leaves the lesser of two “evils” between Stull/Bostick. I say death to Sauron (Stull) and life to Boromir (Bostick). Stull’s play is just freakin evil in my mind’s eye. I don’t see him being any better this year than last. In fact if there is open competition I see him folding just like he does with any sense of pressure. On the other side, I have more faith of Bostick being resurrected. He is a hard worker who was dealt a bad hand when he came to Pitt. He had to start as a true freshman with a horrible line. I believe with FC’s tutelage he will blossom into a capable QB.

Comment by Kenny 04.06.09 @ 2:43 pm

I watch a lot of college and pro hoops and I worry about Blair’s lack of game away from the basket in the NBA. He’s a dominating college player. But I can’t think of any all-star type NBA forward who was Blair’s height and who had virtually had no game unless they’re around the rim. Even Charles Barkley (who was around 6’5″ and led the league in rebounding) could shoot the ball from the corner (they guy even launched 3-pt shots – although he probably shot them around 25%). Blair is one of those great college players who may expect to be a lottery pick, then end up going at the end of the 1st round or early 2nd round. Remember, early second round in the NBA means no guarenteed $ and much smaller contract. Even McCoy thought he’d be a 1st round pick in the NFL, now he’s looking to go anywhere in the 2nd round (but that’s still OK for the NFL – in the NBA there is a HUGE difference between 1st and 2nd round). Remember Pitt’s last underclassman to go pro – that didn’t work out so well. NBA people will tell you that it’s easier for centers and guards to leave early for the NBA than small forwards and power forwards. The NBA if full of quick, athletic, strong forwards. If Blair stayed and worked on three things (10-12′ shot, losing 10 pounds, and more disciplined defense) he’d have a greater chance in 2010 at being a lottery pick. His stock can only fall if he goes pro now and he’d probably go late 1st round. I’d just worry that he’d end up being a Tractor Trailer, Reggie Evans, or Big Baby if he left now. He’d be a VERY dangerous NBA player if he could shoot. I say wait a year. I thought McCoy was right leaving early even though his stock is falling (although I would change that if McCoy ends up going in round 3, which I doubt – but it is possible – NFL teams are talking about Donald Brown and a few other early 2nd round RBs more than McCoy.

Comment by Dishman 04.06.09 @ 3:01 pm

I believe in Pat Bostick.

Comment by pittjd 04.06.09 @ 3:16 pm

Note that in addition to having a worse golf swing than mine, Barkley never ahd a great imtermediate jumper either. I think the NBA is more concerned about his defense liability — depends too much on his reach than moving his feet — than his 12′ jump shot.

Comment by w bill 04.06.09 @ 4:02 pm

What in the world would be wrong with being Big Baby? A rotation player on one of the best teams in the league? Oh drat, that would really stink.

Blair’s not going to be a Hall of Fame player. He’s looking to go make a living. And he is ready to do that. If he stays, he exposes weaknesses. If he goes, he learns the jumper from NBA instructors while making good money. He will go around 20th in the draft. That means he goes to a playoff-type team that doesn’t need him to do more than come out for 10 minutes a night in his rookie year. That’s a GREAT situation for him.

Comment by maz. 04.06.09 @ 6:56 pm

Blair should be ecstatic if he ever became Big Baby………..a rotation NBA player on a great team. That would be incredible for him and would get him a second contract, which is what it’s all about.

I don’t think he’s going to develop a face up game. He’s just hasn’t shown that potential.

By the way, Barkley had a nice perimeter game. He took way too many threes and shot a low percentage from out there, but he drove past folks all the time from the wing (and played WAY above the rim while in Philly) and didn’t rely exclusively on posting up until later in his career.

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 7:30 pm

And the crap about some fans not liking Pitt PGs and QBs is absolute crap.

I would have been so happy to love Fields, but Top 5 point guards don’t have field goal shooting percentages under 40 and barely clear 70% on free throws. He had a nice career.

5 better PGs — Lawson, Lucas, Collins, Mendes-Valdez, Teague, Rice,…….it’s kind easy to name them. Those were just off the top of my head. I wouldn’t even have to use Curry or Evans, who aren’t really PGs. Another kid who was clearly better, but got injured early, was Chris Warren at Ole Miss. It’s just that kids like him and Mendes-Valdez don’t get any publicity.

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 7:50 pm

Fields is a top 5 point guard hands down. Those 5 are not all definitely better. I’ll give Lawson but not necessarily the rest. A top PG manages a team,distributes and makes those players around them the best they can be. They don’t turn it over and they rack up assists. Lawson is the only player you mentioned that is even in the top 40 in A/T ratio. The next closest to Fields (who is number 2 in the country) in your group? Kalin Lucas at 40. Scoring and shooting doesn’t make a point guard. I understand some of those PG’s are required to score on their team, but almost everyone you mentioned has a A/TO ratio less than 2. Which is pretty poor for a PG. You mentioned Curry or Evans, being not really PG’s, the same could be said for Teague, Rice, and Collins, in fact, almost all of the players you mentioned are SG who simply ended up having to bring the ball up for their team and aren’t great PG’s (they would be great SG’s though and I’m not saying they aren’t more talented than Fields, cuz they are, but better point guards they are not). Fields is a great PG, and he deserves credit for it. Would anyone say Brandon Knight wasn’t a great PG? Of course not, he was great. But, what were his shooting percentages and FT percentages. Probably pathetic, but the kid was a great PG, because there is so much more to the position than shooting and scoring.

Comment by Ontario Lett's Go Pitt 04.06.09 @ 8:40 pm

Absolutely agree that being a PG isn’t just shooting and scoring. It’s also not just about offense, by the way. Defense is half the game, and everybody concedes that Fields was sub-par on that side of the ball. How does that figure into Top 5 rankings?

Lucas was the best player on the floor against UConn, mostly by making the other players on his team better. Moving the ball around, getting it to the right guys at the right time and also playing good defense. It wasn’t scoring (though it helps), it was all around PG play that helped MSU win.

Don’t get fooled into the media hype on the A/T stat. It’s just another exampe of analysts looking for an easily quantifiable way to rank players. Half of what a PG does ISN’T quantifiable. Do we subtract assists from Fields every time he ignored Blair wide open in the post? No, we don’t, but it would be a more meaningful stat if we did.

You’re absolutely right that some of the guys I mentioned have the talent to play SG or PG………but the fact is, they played PG for their teams this year and did it more successfully than Fields did. Yes, some of these players have more scoring ability than Fields………more power to them. They’re still PGs. Was KJ not a great PG in the NBA because he also scored 25 a game? Don’t think so.

One of the reasons Knight was so good was because of his defense. He handled it, distributed it, scored occasionally (mostly because he was cat-quick) and played really tough D.

So most of these others are more versatile than Fields? OK, agree. Now let’s get back to why they were also better PGs.

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 9:09 pm

The main reasons you outlined were shooting percentages and FT percentages which is why I posted that there is much more at stake such as running a team, assists and turnovers, etc. How about leadership, or play during crunch time? All are qualities we can’t quantify for obvious reasons. I think Fields was one of the best in college hoops this year for mainly one reason. His team won more than most of the college basketball world. Great point guards win games, and he did that. He also was absolutely clutch. My point is just that the most talented players aren’t always the best. Some guys just find a way to get it done. I know this argument will go nowhere and I can see how someone would say other guards are better, I just don’t agree. My biggest problem with many of them is that they have an A/TO ratio under 2, that really shows a player isn’t making his teammates better I believe. Yes you are right the best A/TO ratio doesn’t mean a player is the best PG. But having a fairly low on shows that you aren’t in the elite of making your teammates better, which I believe everyone would agree a great point guard does.

Comment by Ontario Lett's Go Pitt 04.06.09 @ 9:30 pm

Hey, we’ll agree to disagree.

Put Fields on an average team without a couple NBA players on it and take him out of the Big East and you wouldn’t even know his name. He did like to take big shots, which was admirable, but not an important enough reason to up his rating, considering that Pitt didn’t play many close games this year where being clutch even mattered. There weren’t that many opportunites to be “clutch” this year because Pitt’s margin of victory was generally wide, again because of the two future NBAers.

There are a lot of great PGs across the country and the media pays no attention to them because they don’t play in the Big East. Some of their teams don’t win 30 games, but they’re still great players and most of them could have taken Pitt to greater heights.

By the way, I left Collison out of the list. He’s also better. And better at scoring, too.

Comment by hugh green 04.06.09 @ 10:32 pm

I don’t think all of those player would necessarily take Pitt to higher heights. Fields is a Pitt PG, just as Knight was. They both fill the role perfectly, not scorers, but they make their teammates much better. He just fit their style and team well and they will always have a guy to do that. I also would’ve loved to have seen him play this season injury free and down in weight. Prior to breaking his foot last season, Fields was excellent at getting into the lane and probably would have been a better scorer. He didn’t do that as well since the injury, but I do think he did a better job of managing the game.

Comment by Ontario Lett's Go Pitt 04.07.09 @ 12:53 pm

thanks Hugh you obviously played also played alot of basketball, and realize that production, not press nor fitting a coaches style defines a player.

Comment by drw 04.08.09 @ 5:29 pm

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