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April 2, 2009

Here’s roughly what Dixon would have to balance, assuming Tim Floyd leaves USC for Arizona and USC comes after Coach Jamie Dixon.

Money: They would have to offer at least $2.5 million and a minimum of 5 years.

Family: If they did that, the other pros would be the proximity of his sister and parents in the area. Along with his wife being a USC grad (FWIW).

Local recruiting: Let’s face it, there is more talent to mine in LA and California than there is in Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania.

Here are the negatives:

Less enthusiastic fanbase;

Leaving a trusted relationships with both the AD and Chancellor;

In a comfort zone and happy in Pittsburgh;

Unknown possibilities of NCAA penalties from the O.J. Mayo matters in 2008;

Competing regularly with good friend Ben Howland on the court and off for recruits. Given their similarities in what they like to do, they would be battling regularly for the same type of recruits in the same places;

Starting over and leaving well-built and more established recruiting inroads in the east;

Bigger rebuilding/reloading job even if Taj Gibson and Daniel Hackett come back. He is almost certain to lose USC’s recruiting class and DeRozan would be certain to go pro.

What else?





I would have to think (maybe hopefully) that the unknown NCAA penalty situation would weigh very heavily … and would have to think that there will be no final ruling for some time

Comment by w bill 04.02.09 @ 1:44 pm

Yes Chas,
There is a bigger recruiting area than Pittsburgh. But lets face it, the NY NJ area is so close that that this is a non-issue and I would consider it a step down. The loads of talent that NJ and NY can send to Pittsburgh, along with the close fertile grounds of the DC area is hard to compete with in my opinion. Yes, these aren’t in walking distance, but close enough that kids are more than willing to make the 3-6hr trip to Pittsburgh to play basketball.

Comment by Ontario Lett's Go Pitt 04.02.09 @ 1:49 pm

If he wants to be close to his family, he won’t need 2.5 million. As for recruiting area, DC, NY, and NJ doesn’t count. There are bigger, and equal powers that also recruit those areas. In L.A. it would just be him and UCLA.

Comment by Mark 04.02.09 @ 1:58 pm

LA is a good recruiting ground but not better than the Northeast — there are just fewer major programs competing for talent close to home. However, in an era where middle school kids get nationally ranked, I doubt there’s any such geographic exclusivity for So Cal schools. UCLA is attractive because it’s a legendary program with loads of history. USC not so much unless we’re talking football.

DC, NJ, NYC, Philly are all close enough to be attractive to recruits. Not to mention the bigger stage of the BE over the PAC 10 and the close proximity for friends and family to see games both at the Pete and road games close to home.

Comment by Ghost of Horn Man 04.02.09 @ 2:09 pm

I don’t know, recruiting is so national these days so I think DC, NY, NJ and Philly do count. Its pretty easy to get a kid from the East Coast to come to the Pittsburgh given our BE schedule/tv. Granted there isn’t a fertile recruiting ground right in the backyard, but there is enough talent out here to go around. And everyone from the Pac10 to schools in the Big12 and Gonzaga recruit LA, so I don’t think recruiting is going to be a major issue. We’ve got great ties in the tri-state area and the “Pitt” name continues to become more and more recognizable.

What are USC’s facilities like? Anyone seen em?

Comment by TJ 04.02.09 @ 2:11 pm

The only thing I know about USC’s facilities is that they just opened a new arena 2 or 3 year ago called the Galen center that seats around 10,500 if I remember correctly. It was a big reason that they could get Tim Floyd . . the new arena that is.

Comment by Chris 04.02.09 @ 2:29 pm

I remember a certain Pitt AD refusing to give schools permission to talk to his Football coach a few years ago because he was under contract. That guy is back on board and I would think he would be even more protective of Jamie Dixon than he was of Walt Harris

Comment by KeithS 04.02.09 @ 2:45 pm

I don’t have a problem with Dixon talking to USC. It’s one of the few places that seem like might be a decent fit for him, being that he is a CA native and has family there. I think if you’re Pederson you let him at least see what they have to say.
And if he does give permission it speaks to the strength of their relationship and what Dixon feels about his current position, and I think that bodes well for Pitt.

Comment by TJ 04.02.09 @ 2:51 pm

The Pitt job would have to be more attractive, but one plus for USC would be a weaker major conference. BE is a big stage but also a big grind. The bar would be much lower for ruling the PAC, which would make rebuilding and establishing a winning program potentially easier than maintaining a top BE team.

Then again, it’s been a long time since Pitt was even a bubble team for the post season. Why raise the bar this high and leave it for someone else? Dixon was a beneficiary of Howland’s success and inherited a high bar, but UCLA was a plum job and arguably a step up. USC . . . not really. He’d have to be a lot more homesick than he’s ever let on.

Comment by Ghost of Horn Man 04.02.09 @ 2:52 pm

You guys don’t seem to be remembering that Tim Floyd has been a fantastic recruiter. Before that, USC kind of sucked. And since Floyd is going to Arizona, where do you think he’ll recruit? The sandstorms of Flagstaff and Yuma? Or LaLa Land? I guarantee that he’ll continue to mine LA, along with every other good program. The problem, most of the time, is that teams can get kids to come east, but not the other way around. Kyle Singler went from Oregon to Duke, for instance. You don’t see too many kids going the other direction. Sure, O.J. Mayo, but that was clearly tainted. Not sure what the ‘SC job offers Jamie outside of returning to the cesspool that is Los Angeles. The recruiting is going to be awfully tough with sanctions coming down. You have to play UCLA twice, which he doesn’t want to do. The rest of the league is on an upswing outside of Oregon and Stanford — Mike Montgomery has Cal looking very good, Lorenzo Romar and Washington are strong as usual, and the Arizona schools are coached by name guys (and Sendek is proving NC State is really stupid for shoving him out). I know it isn’t the Big East, but don’t sleep on the Pac 10 as a conference to coach and recruit in. Lots of NBA players in a smaller (in terms of number of teams) league.

The schedule is also obnoxious, because you play back to backs in every locale. Either Fri-Sun or Thurs-Sat in: Washington (Wazzu/UW) Oregon (OSU/Ducks) Bay Area (Cal/Stan) LA (USC/UCLA) and Arizona (Zona/ASU). It leads to goofy swings in the standings based on “road trips” and “homestands” which, while I realize isn’t a factor in most peoples’ minds, is preposterously annoying to follow and should be mentioned.

Comment by maz. 04.02.09 @ 3:16 pm

Let’s not fool ourselves about USC basketball – it is a decided step down from Pitt. No one goes to USC to play basketball – they go to play football and hang out with Snoop Dogg.

Comment by Joey D 04.02.09 @ 3:31 pm

I posted this elsewhere, but (apparently) I feel so strongly about it that I’m going to post it again…

It just doesn’t make much sense to me that Dixon would have absolutely no interest in Arizona, but would then go to USC. Arizona is a much more highly regarded program than USC, gets much more fan support, and recruits in the same markets. It is also close enough to LA for family to make regular trips (less than a full days drive). By several accounts, Arizona was very interested in Dixon, but he had no interest in going there. Unless he is desperate to be in LA (which he has never given any indication is the case), a move to USC just would not make sense.

Maybe Rick Majerus will take the USC job…

Comment by Pantherman13 04.02.09 @ 5:12 pm

How about this for a con:

A roughtly 7893843432 bazillion percent increase in cost of living from Pittsburgh to LA.

1.6 million in Pittsburgh (or whatever we’re paying him) goes a lot further than 2.5 does out there I would think.

Didn’t that factor in our new offensive coordinator’s decision to go from Cal to Pitt?

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my dad 04.02.09 @ 5:26 pm

Don’t get crazy. 1.5 Million in Pittsburgh, per cost of living calculator:

Comparable salary in
Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA
$2,387,392

If you move from Pittsburgh, PA to Los Angeles, CA….
Groceries will cost: 14%more
Housing will cost: 224%more
Utilities will cost: 15%less
Transportation will cost: 7%more
Healthcare will cost: 21%more

Yes, more, but 2.5 Million would go further in LA than 1.5 Million in Pittsburgh.

Also, while Cost of Living was something we talked about with Cignetti, the truth is family ties/community ties drew him to Pitt over Cal. That, and working for a coach that would give him the freedom to be in charge of the offense, unlike Jeff Tedford, who is very hands-on with Cal’s offense.

I don’t think Dixon will go to USC, but if they put 2.5 Million in front of him, he’s going to think about it. Guaranteed.

Comment by maz. 04.02.09 @ 5:54 pm

Well, ESPN is now reporting that Floyd has decided to stay at USC, so the speculation about Dixon moving to LA will have to wait for another day.

On another note, it sure does look like Arizona’s AD has been caught flat-footed on this. He’s had 6 months to figure out how to handle this, and now has apparently been beaten to the punch on Calipari, openly turned down by Floyd, and probably privately rebuffed by several others (presumably including Dixon).

Comment by Pantherman13 04.02.09 @ 6:03 pm

Pantherman, good point about Arizona vs USC on your earlier post.

Now that Floyd is apparently not leaving, Arizona will apparently have to up the ante but there are other targets than Dixon … Capel, Pearl and maybe even S Miller and Izzo.

The only thing I fear is that Miller gets a real good contract at a big school and then Dixon leaves sometime in the near future (am I paranoid or what??)

Comment by w bill 04.02.09 @ 6:37 pm

Maybe Arizona (desperate to make a splash) will make a huge offer to Dixon.

Comment by Chris 04.02.09 @ 6:37 pm

Look for Arizona to offer Mark Few by the end of the weekend.

As for throwing money around, it had been rumored that the economy and other factors meant they didn’t have the sums they expected to have for a coach.

Could also be a Jamie Dixon-type situation. Team likes Ross Pennell. They get turned down after thinking they had their man (like us with the late Skip Prosser) and then look to the known commodity.

Comment by maz. 04.02.09 @ 6:43 pm

I think Tom Herrion would be considered for the new Pitt job before even Sean Miller and Herb Sendek. That said, I don’t think Jamie Dixon is going anywhere soon.

Comment by mvk 04.02.09 @ 6:44 pm

Hot off the press from the Trib-Review:

link to pittsburghlive.com

Sorry I don’t know how to copy these links but in essence it is a stoy how Dixon was at Pitt fb practice today with AD Pedersen. The title of the article is “Dixon at Pitt football practice, prefers to let ‘actions speak’”

Following is an exerpt:

Dixon declined to comment on whether he was offered the opening at the University of Arizona, indicating that his visibility — alongside Pitt athletic director Steve Pederson — should speak for his intentions.

“I never really talk about those things; I just don’t see the point,” Dixon said of reports that he rejected Arizona and that he could be a leading candidate for other openings. “I’ve gotten used to it over the years. You can’t do anything about it. I don’t really discuss it. Rather than talk about it, you just let your actions speak for you. That’s seems to work well enough for me.”

Comment by w bill 04.02.09 @ 7:06 pm

Few was asked long ago and already turned it down.

Comment by Mark 04.02.09 @ 8:03 pm

I’ve seen several reports (including one a short while back on ESPN) that Arizona reached out to Dixon’s “people” and was firmly rebuffed. If that is true, I doubt he would be interested now. The names mentioned in wbill’s post make much more sense. Frankly, I think Capel would be a great hire for UofA, and, it would be a step up in prestige. That being said, their AD may be more concerned with getting a veteran coach than a quality coach…

Comment by Pantherman13 04.02.09 @ 8:04 pm

Not to sound overly optimistic here, but maybe–just maybe the University of Pittsburgh is no longer a 2nd tier basketball school which coaches use to apringboard their careers.

Perhaps, dare I hope, it is now a place coaches would give their left nut to be a coach.

🙂

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 04.02.09 @ 8:14 pm

Another update on Arizona – AP is now reporting that Mark Few has taken himself out of the running…

link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Comment by Pantherman13 04.02.09 @ 8:51 pm

Oh c’mon Maz.

Stupid internet and it’s ability to kill sarcasm.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my dad 04.02.09 @ 9:23 pm

Well Arizona just successfully hired away my law school dean (Tulane), so at least they have that going for them… I can’t believe the UofA thing has turned into such a mess.

Dixon built a program, now he can turn Pitt into an institution in the Big East. He has to realize he and Jay Wright are the future of the conference, and we don’t know what the limits of his legacy could be – it certainly isn’t at its apex.

Comment by Greg in New Orleans 04.02.09 @ 9:51 pm

i think its becoming more and more obvious that arizona isn’t the pull everyone thinks it is. they can’t land a big name coach (hell they couldn’t even land floyd) no matter how hard they try. still, i fully expect to hear dixon’s name bandied about as a potential replacement, but as i said with the usc job, i think its going to take a bevy of cash to get dixon to move.

i wouldn’t be surprised if jeff capel takes the au job.

Comment by kj 04.02.09 @ 9:57 pm

CBS Sports reported days ago that Few wasn’t interested. Nobody is interested. It’s not a good job. They only won because of Lute Olson.

Comment by Mark 04.02.09 @ 11:39 pm

Jimbo: I know you weren’t wholly serious, but I know people are certainly concerned about the cost of living change, so I figured it would be useful to run the numbers.

Comment by maz. 04.03.09 @ 12:06 am

Heard that Dixon flew to Arizona already and havent heard a peep about it.Anybody know anything?

Comment by buzz 04.03.09 @ 9:48 am

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