Chas, good find from the NYJ perspective…from what I’ve heard I think we’ll be pleased w/ Wise.

Also, was that Tony Dorsett flipping the coin at the BCS title game?

That was him. Not sure what the connection is. Makes as much sense as when Matt Hughes introduced Pitt’s players in the brawl.

Re: Dorsett at the BCS

30 years ago at the Sugar bowl, Pitt was the unanimous National Champ and Dorsett was the MVP

wasnt it 31 years ago? January 77

I stand corrected.

Big Televen: 3-5 in Bowl Games
Big East: 3-2

Another year of being the better conference.

when will the voters stop giving the big 11 all of this unearned respect? Another ass whooping in the title game and a losing bowl record.

you guys are idiots!!! look at the competition played…..

big east – wake forest (unranked), oregon (unranked), ball state (unranked), southern miss (unranked), oklahoma (#3). so against unranked teams, the big east went 2-2, wow, that’s impressive!!!!!

big ten – lsu (#2),southern cal (#6), florida (#9), boston college (#14), tennessee (#16), texas a&m (unranked).

how would have the big east faired against that?? what team in the big east could have beaten LSU last night?

one of the ELITE big east teams gets smoked by an oregon team without oregon having their best player – give me a break.

you guys should thank wvu – they saved your butts. other than that, the bowl games sucked………..

Big 11 sucks

blah blah blah the facts are the facts the big 10(or 11) is overrated and they choked AGAIN. worst bcs confrence by far

I think the ACC gives the pig ten a run for its money in the worst conference category…

…and i know WVU would’ve put up half a hundred on *the* runner up university last night…we don’t let the Hawaiis and Boise States in the NC game, time to get rid of the MAC of the midwest…

good job boys, keep playing the ball freakin state teams in your bowl games…. you should have a winning record playing teams like that…..

stuart, also would have thought that wvu would have put up “half a hundred” on pitt but it didn’t happen. ya just never know……

res, very thoughtful / insightful remark, did you come up with that one on your own???

Big 11 still sucks

ACC Sucks, Big Ten Swallows

Now,now… The OSU fanbase and the other ten tag-along bretheren are a little cranky today. Don’t make comparisons between the Big East and their omnipotent conference….let’s just let them vent a little.

NO ONE could have beat LSU last night! OSU just ran into an unstoppable buzz saw!! How TWO five-loss teams beat LSU (one of which was a home game) is just an absolute miracle!!! Little old WVU or any other Big East team surely wouldn’t have had a chance against mighty LSU last night. LSU is the most deserving national champion I’ve ever seen. OSU and the B10 should hold their head high and proud…..chalk it up as an extraordinary moral victory.

I think it’s high time the BCS just get it over with and declare that the BCS National Championship game should automatically pit the SEC and B10 champs….it would save us all some time and energy since they’re clearly the best two conferences in the modern era of college sports.

how do you figure “13-9” the big ten champ should play for the NC. The b10 was down this year, and aside from michigan playing oregon, the b10 non confernce schedule sucked…
f*** the big 10

List of things that have ruined college football:

1: BCS
2: Overtime
3: Big 10/Pac 10 Rose Bowl
4: Insecure Penn State fans talking up their adoptive conference

As much as I hate to say it, I would have really like to see WVU vs. LSU last night.

The Big East: 5-0 last year, 3-2 this year. Won our BCS game in each of the past three years (you know, the three years after that great iconic football institution BOSTON COLLEGE left us to languish as a second-tier conference…without having ever won the conference outright in football), including beating Oklahoma this year when they were one of the teams whining about being “snubbed.” Of course, they were missing guys due to felonies. That explains why WVU pasted them without Steve Slaton. Owen Schmitt was faster than their defense, but you know, the BE is just slow and bad. The Big Eleven, on the other hand, really showed up. They beat Texas A&M!!! There’s a program for you. Since the inception of the BCS, the BE is 6-4, the BEleven is 8-8. That’s counting the OSU “win” over Miami. In the last two years, BE 2-0, BEleven 0-4. 73-32 last year, 87-41 this year they lost. Smallest margin of loss: 14 (twice). This year, the Big Eleven’s big bowl win was by a team that got their asses kicked at home by Oregon, by the way, and also lost at home to…everyone say it with me….APPALACHIAN STATE. And lost to Wisconsin and Ohio State. The Big Eleven in BCS games….positively Notre Dame-esque. I wouldn’t want a playoff if I were them either. Two BCS games per year must be nice…and you don’t even have to show up! Sounds like class at tOSU. Finally, we were trying to come up with a good name for the BCS runner’s up trophy and we couldn’t decide… “The Ohio State ‘Participation’ Trophy” or just “The Jim Tressel Memorial ‘But We Had So Many Days Off’ Award.”

P.S. The last two Big Eleven BCS wins? Penn State in 3 OTs in the nursing-home kick-missing contest with Florida State, and tOSU against BCS juggernaut Notre Dame. (The closest bowl game ND has played since 1999)

Just kidding around, Brian. The B10 is the most overrated conference in the land….hands down.

Pat Forde summarized it best..

“If you’ve ever seen lions maul a water buffalo, you’ve seen the last two title games. You’ve seen a fierce pair of SEC teams — Florida last year, LSU this year — blow the vulnerable Buckeyes back to the Bratwurst Belt by a combined 41 points. You’ve seen the best of one league flex, and the best of an inferior league collapse.”

Amen.

The two BCS teams from the Big preTENder conference this year did not just lose, they got their doors blown off! Bottom line, the Big Ten is no better, top-to-bottom, than the Big East.

When I think of rivalry games for PA, there Backyard Brawl Pitt vs. WVU & the The Land “something” trophy for PSU & Michigan State. The trouble w/ the PSU vs. Michigan State is that MSU fans would rather beat their interstate rivals than PSU so I’m not sure this is a true rivalry game. Next year, the Backyard brawl may be determining the BE BCS champ and possible player for the Nat. Championship. The PSU Vs. MSU will get minimal press and determine which teams sucks more in the Big 10/11. My point is that Big East football has done quite well since those departures and appears to be putting a superior product on the field for fans in this area.

Face it. The Big Ten has not performed well in it’s bowl games. This will definately be on voters minds next year. It’s an average conference.

The BCS game that should have been.

Oklahoma v. Ohio State – two programs that can’t seem to get the job done in the BCS, finally let one of them win.

As far as the bowl season this year, who cares anymore, all I know is that Pitt should be playing sometime in January 2009 for 2008 to be successful. Any shot at a preseason ranking? It seems like they should be in the top 25 with all the injured returning, McCoy and the Defense…. So excited, can’t wait to make Charlie Weiss look like the fat bastard he is on November 1.

you children enjoy beating the ball states of the world. if that makes you a better conference then have at it………..

i’m impressed….. also, worry about YOUR team making a bowl game instead of having to HIDE BEHIND the other teams in the conference..

here’s a thought……..how about qualifying of a bowl game, hey, that’s a start……

instead of talking about other teams, just try and win enough games that maybe you could play ball state next year.

it is a big goal for you girls, but you have to start somewhere………shoot for stars, panthers, who do you want, ball state, wake forest, um, maybe even oregon…….

Chas, I believe Cavanaugh, not Dorsett, was the MVP of the ’77 Sugar bowl.

I live in PSucks country, and as such, despise the Nitwits with all of my heart & soul. But I do think JoePa’s boys will be very good next year now that Morelli has moved on. They only lose a couple of starters, their defense & running game are solid, and they have two decent quarterbacks, either one of which will be an improvement over Morelli in close games. The point of all of this is…I think there is a decent possibility that Pitt could actually play PSucks next year in one of the BCS games, but not the National Championship game. Wouldn’t that be a blast?

wow, somebody cant face the realization that the Big 11 is nothing more than a bunch of pretenders. I actually hope Ohio state goes back next year for another ass whooping.

I hear that State Penn – Temple game is fast becoming a big rivalry game – maybe they can play for the “Who Gives a F**K” trophy next year and make it a true rivalry.

Hey WHAT_THE_????, if I wanted to talk to some moronic Big Ten apologist, I’d walk over to the corner bar. Get the ???? off of our site.

Hide behind your conference? There’s not a single Pitt fan on here that is saying “Pitt was better than Ohio State because Cincinnati won their bowl game!” What we ARE saying is that in an era when EVERY major conference team feasts on cupcakes (take a look at tOSU’s non-con schedule this year), the fairest way to evaluate teams is based on their competition. The fairest way to evaluate competition is how it fared against the other competition. Everyone plays everyone in the BE. (I know, I know, that sounds really weird. It actually works though.) Every team plays a majority of its games within its conference. So at the end of the year, the measuring stick HAS TO BE CONFERENCES to figure out anything beyond “Well, Stanford beat USC, Notre Dame beat Stanford, Navy beat Notre Dame, so Navy was better than USC.” You have to say: “Ok, well, the Big Eleven teams that had good years in conference were: Illinois, Wisconsin, tOSU, Michigan. How did they fare outside of their conference?” The answer is they blew. Given a month to prepare, three of them looked like ass, and the one team that won was being coached by a guy who is retiring, which given the circumstances of his departure meant a whole lot of motivation. The best team(s) from a conference USUALLY go to the BCS (though this year, Mizzou was BCS worthy in my humble opinion). Its a good indicator of how your conference was. We know that tOSU and Illinois were beatable in their conference, but they were still good. How did they do against teams that were beatable in the Pac 10/SEC but still good? They sucked. WVU was beatable in the BE, but still good. How did they do against beatable-but-good Oklahoma? Very well. Conference pride will always be a part of any informed discussion about college athletics. Get over yourself What the ???.

I could care less about any conference.

My allegiance is with Pitt.

And allegiance I had to, and interest I had in rooting for Big East teams in bowl games flew out the window after the Big East refs tried to fuck us in the Brawl.

But, if we must go there…

WVU, South Florida, and soon-to-be Pitt would all do very well in the Big Ten. Know why? They’re FAST! I dunno why, but the Big Ten just seems to be full of these cornfed boys that just don’t look fast, at all.

The Pac-10 for years has proven it’s faster than the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, now the SEC is doing it.

Penn State would’ve been better off not pigeon-holing themselves as a upper-midwest team, thus dooming themselves to slow cornfed type players forever.

good post Maz..I think the conference thing is just a waste of time.

Not sure Pitt could play state unless they were #1 and #2.

Check out mandel over at SI..he says keep an eye on Pitt…link below.

link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com

I just saw that article too- it’s good to see. Press like that helps a lot. If Pitt starts playing like they are capable of playing, they shouldn’t have to fight too hard to climb up the rankings. As all the above posts illustrate, perception is a big part of where you end up when all is said and done.

Nice catch on Mandel! Also, Maz…a very well constructed / logical post. This site is so much more enjoyable and civil as compared to peers. The idiots seem to stay away with a few exceptions… The content and quality of the posts is excellent. Thanks for the site (Chas)and the contributions from the regular posters. Let’s keep it rolling in ’08.

link to sports.espn.go.com

hey were number 22 ill take that

In SI.com Stewart Mandel’s Top 10 for 08 he does not have us in his top 10 but as one of 5 teams, including clemson auburn illinois and texas tech, to keep an eye on. we were three plays from a major bowl game last year

Maz by a knockout

No way OSU goes back again next year – they have to play at USC. No way we let them get back, even with just that one loss. Right? RIGHT?!

WHAT_THE_????, you want to talk schedules and bowl games? If Pitt scheduled like State Penn and the runner up university, Pitt is at least 8-4 and in a bowl game. Look at the teams each played in the non-con and the results of those games…PSU couldn’t even play defense against a MSU team that we played in the non-con. Its clear the only thing giving those programs good records is their pathetic scheduling. Stop being a fucktard and defending the indefensible.

stuart, go beat uconn ONCE – then talk your smack…….if pitt this and if pitt that….

how about just have a winning record, that is a good starting point…..until then, what i hear from you is….

blah blah blah yada yada yada….you make no sense.

Give Stuart a break. He didn’t get a worthless degree from a third tier university like you whatchamacallit.

All-American Recruits from PA. PITT 3 – PSU 0.

That UConn team you speak of had a winning record and played in a BCS conference. It is no Akron, Youngstown State, Buffalo, FIU, etc, etc, etc.

Fucktard…! A perfect nickname for the Nitter. What started as a discussion on the overrated B10 ends up with some useless babble on UConn and our 2007 record with the requisite blahs and yadas. Hopefully he’ll crawl back in his groundhog hole up in Punxsy for another 10 weeks of winter.

Let the Nitter and the rest of his ilk enjoy all those solid victories against the aforementioned NCS cupcakes so they can feel good about themselves. May they continue to wallow in mediocrity as a middle of the pack B10 program…

What id like to know, is when is the last time the big ten had a winning record in bowl games? Has this ever even happened??

In the 2000s (8 years)
PSU in the Big Eleven: 28-28, 4 bowls in 8 years. One top 3 finish in the conference. Two 9th place finishes. I’m not even sure that counts as middle-of-the-road.

sorry stuart, didn’t know you couldn’t beat a team with a winning record……. especially that powerhouse uconn team!!

sorry, who played grambling?? more people went to see the damn band then the game itself……wooo……freakin……hoo……

It’s funny that this loser has nothing better to do than read a blog of a team he doesn’t like and post negative comments. I hate Penn State, but you’d never find me taking the time to read a PSU blog and argue with everything everyone says. I guess that’s the difference between a Pitt fan and a PSU fan…a little something called class.

funny you say that… some of my closest ‘friends’ in high school went to penn st and i never thought they guys had a mean bone in them but they instantly became obnoxious

1-11, 3-9, 5-7, 4-8. Those are the records of Penn State’s non-conference opponents. 13-35. 27% winning pctg. Let’s have a little fun with the Big Ten’s five teams, including State Penn, who finished the season ranked.
Non-conference opponents records:
tOSU: 4-8, 4-9, 3-9, 7-4 (I-AA team)
Illinois: 12-2 (Mizzou), 2-10, 7-6 (BALL STATE! THE SAME BALL STATE WHAT THE ??? is so excited about playing), 6-5 (I-AA team)
Wisconsin: 5-7, 2-10, 2-10, 7-4 (I-AA team)
Michigan: 4-8, 3-9, 9-4 (Oregon), 13-2 (I-AA team App State)
So to recap….all four of the top Big Eleven teams played a I-AA team (at least they won 3 of those 4) as part of their rigorous scheduling. Records of opponents:
Wisconsin: 16-31
Illinois: 27-23
Michigan: 29-23
tOSU: 18-30
now just for fun, let’s take out the I-AA teams.
Records of top 5 Big Eleven teams’ non-conference opponents (I-A only)
PSU: 13-35
Illinois: 21-18
Wisconsin: 9-27
Michigan: 16-21
tOSU: 11-26
Combined: 70-127. .355 win pctg! Barely higher than Austin Scott’s BAC.
West Virginia, by comparison: 8-5, 8-5, 6-7, 3-9, 5-7. 30-33. (Of course, all five of those teams LOST to West Virginia, as opposed to say App State and Oregon, which got wins over the Big Eleven) but upon closer examination the point is even clearer: the two 8-5 teams WVU beat? Bowl teams. The 6-7 team? ALSO a bowl team. Guess how many bowl teams the top five Big Ten teams PLAYED in non-conference? 3. Oregon crushed Michigan, Mizzou dismissed Illinois in a good game…and…….ILLINOIS BEAT BALL STATE! That’s right! The ONE non-conference win for the top 5 Big Ten programs over a bowl team was Illinois 28, Ball State 17.
And in case you think I picked the top 5 Big Ten teams to distort things….the 6th team, Iowa, played a combined slate of teams that went 2-10, 2-10, 3-9, and 5-7. 12-36. And they went 2-2 against that crew. Other Big East teams to at least have the courtesy to schedule a bowl team in non-con? UConn, Cincinnati, South Florida (3), Rutgers (2). Of those plus WVU, the BE’s top 5 teams went 8-2 against bowl teams. Louisville played 2, Pitt played 3, and Syracuse played 1. 16 bowl teams played by the 8 Big East members in non conference. 3 played by the top 6 Big Ten teams. What a joke.

Ok, ok, relax, I’ll give you the other five Big Ten teams too….
Michigan State – 1 (Bowling Green – W)
Northwestern – 1 (Nevada – W)
Purdue – 1 (Central Michigan…who they also got to play in their bowl game – W)
Indiana – 1 (BALL STATE!!! – W)
Minnesota – 2 (Bowling Green, Florida International – L, L — hey no wonder Minnesota went 1-11, they played TWO WHOLE BOWL TEAMS!)

So tack those 6 bowl teams onto the conferences other 3 played, and they played 9 bowl teams all year among the 11 teams. And beat 5. By comparison, again, the top 5 teams in the Big East played 10, and beat 8.

Check Mate – Maz!

I also think its funny that a NITwit comes here to argue about the Big Ten. I’ve never read nor do I want to read a Big Ten/State Penn forum.

Ok, after this I really have to go do work:

LSU: 11-3, 5-7, 4-8, 5-7 = 25-25 (1 BOWL TEAM Va Tech, whom they beat)
GA: 7-6, 1-10 (I-AA), 8-4, 7-6 = 23-26 (2 BOWL TEAMS, beat both)
Tennessee: 7-6, 7-6, 5-7, 4-9 = 23-28 (2 BOWL TEAMS, one win)
Auburn: 5-7, 9-4, 4-9, 4-7 = 22-27 (1 BOWL TEAM, loss)
Florida: 7-5, 8-4, 8-4, 7-6 = 30-19 (2 BOWL TEAMS, beat both)

The SEC plays a ton of independent teams, which is why there are winning records there for teams that didn’t make bowls. Overall top 5: 8 bowl teams played, 6-2 record. Overall SOS: 123-105. Much more in line with an elite conference.

The more time he spends on this site the deeper the hole he digs for himself. The Fucktard should stay warm when he crawls back in his Punxy groundhog hole for good (it’s going to get colder tonight). I’m glad he’s here as his moronic comments are getting more entertaining (I enjoyed the Grambling band by the way) and it’s great to hammer the point home with solid research from our boy Maz. Hopefully it’s only a matter of time before Yancich comes to his senses…

this place is great, have a difference of opinion and everybody ASSUMES that i am a psu fan…. well you are all wrong. you have the su part right but it is msu, was here when we beat you last year, and when we beat you again this year. I just enjoy seeing how DUMB you guys actually are…..

i wish we would play you guys every year, always an easy win for us……….

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