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November 24, 2007

Semi-Liveblog: USF-Pitt

Filed under: Bloggers, Football, Opponent(s) — Chas @ 11:56 am

A few minutes to gametime. I’m at my folks house and the game is being shown locally.

12:14: Grife, is USF’s defense is just faster and better than Pitt’s O-line.

12:16: Greg Romeus with the sack to force an obviously frigid USF punt.

12:19: Noooo! Collins trips over his own feet on a wide open, well-placed pass that would have been a TD down the line.

12:21: A well-excuted screen. Who knew? McCoy with a great run for 40+ yards and inside the 15.

12:23: Are the USF players getting too cold? The Wildcat formation for McCoy picks up 5 yards to give Pitt 1st and goal at the 1. How could that happen? Everyone knew what was coming.

12:25: Pitt scores a TD! McCoy on a quick toss outside and in he goes.

7-0 Pitt.
12:35: Great special teams work. Giving up 35 yards on a fake punt. Ugh.

12:36: And then Mike Ford takes it in on for the TD — untouched.

7-7. 48 seconds left in the first quarter.

Pitt isn’t playing badly so far. The Bulls are definitely bothered by the cold. Ah, the joys of getting warm weather teams up north late in the season.

12:41: End of the 1st Q. Tie game. LaRod Stephens-Howling in for a series it seems. You know, because it wouldn’t make sense to switch backs within the series to keep a defense off-balance.

12:45: McCoy actually throws out of the wildcat, but just out of Porter’s grasp.

12:52: Just like they drew it up. Lousy 4th down play and then get the fumble to have a fresh set of downs.

12:53: Another screen works. This time to Shane Brooks down to the 25.

12:55: Shane Brooks seems to be getting a lot of work in the second quarter. Collins had a horrible first quarter, and some coaches must be feeling the heat for poor performances. Shorter leashes for players has become very noticeable the last couple of weeks.

12:58: Fake FG attempt. Pitt is close. Waiting for the measurement. Just as I wrote Collins was out, he was the one taking the ball. Figures.

And the ball goes over to USF. Well, at least they have to go 97 yards.

1:00: Just for good measure, Wannstedt challenged the ruling and of course lost.

1:08: 19 yard gain on an end around for Maurice Williams. Bostick sold it well and took a hit for it. Pitt inside the USF 20.

1:10: Crap. Byham is down. He’s being helped off. left leg.

1:11: It figures. Bostick had time to throw and McGlynn called for holding.

1:12: Now Turner has a hold on a screen. Pitt is taking themselves right out of FG range. 2nd and 23 from the 33.

1:13: Draw play for 12, but of course. Holding. This time on Strong.

1:14: Nice touch by Bostick to Turner, but that was solid coverage. There’s a reason for that. USF has one of the best pair of corners in the country.

This time, they do it again, but to Mo Williams. He used his height and took it away for the TD. Pretty.

14-7 Pitt, 2:56 to halftime.

1:19: Phew. 61 yard return negated by a block in the back.

1:23: 2-minute drill by USF is moving. Pitt is giving ground in the traditional prevent defense.

Don’t even try to tell me Paul Rhoads has been playing the same defense in the second half of the season as before. Pitt has continued to attack and now lays off. Gets burned.

Then the front line gets the sack on a bit of aggression. Lay off again, give up the big completion.

1:27: Again, some push up front and flushed Grothe. Forcing a 31 FG attempt that is good

14-10 Pitt, 2 seconds to halftime.

1:29: Halftime and Pitt has a lead and will be kicking off with an additional 15 yards from the personal foul on the kickoff.

Jim Leavitt is pissed.

Pitt has played a very good first half. USF, is not. They are such a warm weather team, it will be interesting as they continue to see if the Big East tries to protect them a bit with the schedule in the next few years. Especially if they continue to get better. Put more of their road games earlier in the season and keep them at home or only to Louisville or Syracuse for late season road games. Not that I’m paranoid or so.

1:44: Hire Ed Orgeron as defensive coordinator!!!!!

1:51: USF starting at their own 20 for the second half.

80 yards running on the first play. Matt Grothe. Damn.

Straight ahead. Adjustments so far 1-0 USF.

17-14 USF, 14: 47 left in the 3d quarter.

1:56: Turner on a slant for 20 yards. Very good yards after the catch.

Another completion to Porter for a 1st down. Bostick looks so much better this week. Just sharper, and the ball coming out of his hand crisper.

McCoy with a nice run that comes back thanks to — of course — a hold on McGlynn.

2:25: So far, halftime adjustments clearly in favor of USF. Not exactly shocking on which coaching staff would think to do that. I used to hate Harris for that. It hasn’t changed much. The system is fine. All is well. Stay the course. Just execute the gameplan.

If it wasn’t for lousy USF receivers who keep letting the ball go into their chest (and bounce off) rather than actually catching it with their hands, to kill drives, it would not be a close game.

45-yard FG is good.

20-14 USF, 2:56 in the 3d quarter.

2:36: Picked and returned for a TD 27-14. This was after Pitt backed itself up on the punt by another block in the back.

The pass was to go to Strong, but he was turning the wrong way on a slant in and late when the ball came inside and the defender read it first. He broke on it, and was off.

2:41: Frick. The O-line is completely imploding. Another penalty.

2:51: Intercepted again. Bostick had the blitz coming right into his face and all sides. Tried to get it over the heads. Not sure if it was supposed to be a screen. Either way, so many players coming and leaping, the ball was tipped as he tried to get it over the rush and Ben Moffit got it and took it all the way to the 1. I blame that one on the O-line.
Easy run to the long side of the field on 3d down.

34-14 USF with 9:21 left in this game.

3:09: McCoy takes it in for a TD. Pitt now trails 34-21 with 7+ minutes left in the game. Way to make it cosmetic and avoid the second half shutout.

As usual Pitt makes little in the way of adjustments or expecting anything different from USF.





Pat will need to do more of that..scrambling that is.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 12:08 pm

Good thing we don’t block the best DE in the big east on the first run play of the game…and Bostick shows the wheels! And then gets sacked!

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:09 pm

Bostick needs to grow a pair when the pocket collapses. He rolls into a ball way too quickly..at least throw the ball away.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 12:12 pm

Romeus should have started all season long. His ability is better than 3 seniors worth of experience.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 12:15 pm

I can’t believe we allow that Romeus kid on the field…obviously he doesn’t understand the “read and react” D.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:16 pm

Three-man rush and a sack!

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 12:17 pm

Oh - and did USF forget their QB is mobile? He’s stood there like a statue so far…Bostick has ran more!

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:17 pm

What. A. Fucking. Mess.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:19 pm

Nice Drive. A couple of bonehead moments but 7 points is nice.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 12:25 pm

Someone FINALLY got my memo about the toss NEVER failing to get a yard. FINALLY. Took all fucking season. We even had to make sure our “power” game still sucked on first down. At least they finally got it done this time.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:26 pm

Agreed, Stuart…the toss haas been there all season…against Navy, we win….etc., etc., etc.!

Thanks to Verizon, get to see the game live via the PC.

Once again, as in many games, this season, this game is Pitt’s to win!

Hail to PITT,
-al-

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 12:29 pm

That was just sad. We’re killin em and then we let them run a fake punt? A FAKE PUNT?

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:34 pm

this just in, the fake punt worked because of coaching-on both sides

Comment by bic 11.24.07 @ 12:37 pm

McCoy deserved to have someone catch that.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 12:45 pm

Our receivers have come up big today…has anyone caught a ball? WTF? Anyone want to come up big today?

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:45 pm

Wow…nice throw Bostick…i was hoping for the hard count and timeout there…hard count has worked twice so far…i’m amazed Byham was able to even catch that. Too bad we’re not playing NFL rules, maybe we still get that…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:50 pm

I’m “watching” on the POS gamecast thing.

Could someone explain to me why the majority of our passes go for negative yards? You know, we could just cut out the middle man and take a knee.

Comment by Jon C 11.24.07 @ 12:51 pm

Bostick doesn’t like being touched by the other team…he folds when it happens. He needs to call up Palko, Tyler was the man in that situation. Better yet go sniff one of Big Ben’s socks, maybe some hustle and heart goes up Pat’s brain.

………Fumble! *laughs*

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 12:52 pm

13 yard pass? Was this the “forward pass” I’ve heard so much about?

Comment by Jon C 11.24.07 @ 12:54 pm

Probably a screen with a run….we don’t throw the ball past the LOS….

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 12:56 pm

Why did we go for it? Did anyone ever think we would actually make it? You know we wouldn’t….Its us.

Comment by Jon C 11.24.07 @ 12:59 pm

Well…we go for it on 4th with a fake FG with the line setting up outside, and then a toss snap to Collins…but is marked short…and now being reviewed…and we get screwed with a poor spot. So we turn it over at the 2.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:00 pm

I’m not sure why we snapped it over to where everyone was set up - why not keep it on the open side of the field? I don’t care we went for it, but i just don’t get the play…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:03 pm

Will they go for it on 4th down from their own 9? God i hope not.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:05 pm

What are the officials watching today?

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 1:05 pm

I have no idea. We must have gotten the same crew as last week. Terrible as usual.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:08 pm

That was almost the 3rd or 4th dropped exchange - i remember 2 others that we did drop….WTF? Don’t we work on this shit?

Now Byham injured and we hold on a huge completion. Maybe we should just play D.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:12 pm

How do you get 3 straight holding calls? Darn.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 1:14 pm

3 consecutive holds…unbeliveable…we started around the 15, now we’ll be punting…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:14 pm

YEAH! TD

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 1:15 pm

How the hell…brilliant! Finally someone shows up!

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:15 pm

It looks like we might finally be playing like we have nothing to lose…instead of a draw there or some crap. Whats the worst that can happen. Finally.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:16 pm

Right, we have nothing to lose. Let’s ruin someone else’s season.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 1:20 pm

Last week thats a “push off” with his arm extended and offensive pass interference….this week its defensive pass interference…two guys fighting back and forth, and once again, we get flagged…pathetic.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:23 pm

Grothe doesn’t look right out there. Is he injured?. They could be holding back til the second half(*shrugs*) or we are playing good defense.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 1:23 pm

Now we’re getting picked apart with our prevent-us-from-winning D. Rush 3 or 4….wait for 15yd passes…

And on cue a sack! Keep it up….hold em….

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:25 pm

And on cue again…prevent-us-from-winning.

He doesn’t look very mobile today…maybe the cold, maybe the crappy field….at least he isn’t running all over us.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:26 pm

14-10 at the half. I would have figured we be down 21-3ish. In reality we should be up 21-3ish right now but we keep getting trixied.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 1:29 pm

14-10…take it for now..but yes, we should be up by 10 or more…

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 1:33 pm

Well, except for the horrible fake punt, we’ve held them to 95 yards. Too bad we can’t convert a 4th down or prevent a fake punt or get 1 yard when we need it…we should be up huge. Instead we’re setting up for a close loss, again.

USF should go exclusively with the hurry-up offense…its the only thing thats worked for them.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:37 pm

McKillop with only 10 tackles, 2 TFL, and 1 forced fumble. Hopefully he picks it up a little in the second half…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:46 pm

LETS GO PITT…iful.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:54 pm

They jump offsides…refs turn blind eye…and hammer us with a hold again…what a disaster…11 on 16….

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 1:59 pm

Nice. That was big.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 2:12 pm

Oline continues to be awful…lookin to be one of these “no, *you* want it more” games…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 2:18 pm

Taking awful to a whole new level…just fair catch it…instead -30 on the return

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 2:35 pm

…and follow it up with a pick six. Just when you think we’ve hit rock bottom…we start to dig.

Can we find 11 guys who want to be on the field at one time? Maybe even just 2 or 3?

Why do we EVER try to throw the ball to strong? They guy is never paying attenion, and if he is, he either doens’t catch it or makes sure he comes up short. Now that we’re down to 1 TE, like it matters.

Now we start a dramatic comeback to come up short again.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 2:40 pm

This has become an ugly game….disappointing, and give USF credit, they made some halftime adjustments, i don’t think wanny did.

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 2:55 pm

Strong having his worst game ever…doesn’t look like he wants to play today…pass the scotch…

Anyone else want to see a complete coaching change soon??

Comment by Dan 72 11.24.07 @ 2:59 pm

At least there’s only 1 game left.

Comment by MelbaPlace 11.24.07 @ 3:02 pm

Before I hear the coaches didn’t throw interceptions or drop passes or not block…I say this is about execution, which is indeed on the coaches—when we don’t execute, it is squarely the coaches responsibility…this is year three and still the same results—bitterly disappointing.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 3:07 pm

I’m not getting my hopes up.

Comment by MelbaPlace 11.24.07 @ 3:11 pm

I always am hopeful, but the stadium looks like it emptied out quickly. Anything can happen, I hope!

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 3:17 pm

So……. … Shady tied Dorsett eh?

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 3:18 pm

Anybody hear a report on Nate’s injury?

Comment by Oregon al 11.24.07 @ 3:24 pm

By the way, the field is a disgrace.

Comment by TMGPanther 11.24.07 @ 3:30 pm

If the game was on TV in NYC, I couldn’t find it so I went out and ran some errands. When I got back, the very first thing I did was check the score.

Fuck.

And then I thought, Well 48 points by USF, at least this has to put some pressure back on Rhodes going into the WVU game. And then I opened up the box score and saw that South Florida won the game with zero touchdown passes from Grothe and two from Bostick. Well, so much for that spin.

Comment by Brian of Brooklyn 11.24.07 @ 3:54 pm

WE had a good shot at winning this game. Bostick’s INT’s killed us. Shady broke the PITT freshman record huh? I’m sure it won’t be the last record he breaks.

Comment by Panthoor 11.24.07 @ 4:26 pm

Today is a good example of why the coaches have been using a controlled passing game. they let bostick air it out today and we got the bad with the good.

Anything can happen next week and it would be so sweet to knock WVU out of the BCS Championship game. This is the year for it with all the unraanked team upsets.

Comment by TMGPanther 11.24.07 @ 5:21 pm

Bostick’s fist pick six was absolutely not his fault. That apathetic loser Strong didn’t even look for the ball, he is awful. The second one was a great play by the linebacker. I’m sorry Cavanaugh has to go. He is simply awful. Hey Matt, get a real job. It’s time for you to earn your paycheck.

Comment by Omar 11.24.07 @ 6:16 pm

The only thing I want to know is if Byham is ok. Strong can’t leave fast enough.

I can’t wait to see Stull next year.

Uconn got exposed for the fraud they are on national TV. I guess we’re the only hope…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 6:40 pm

Bostick doesn’t throw enough, we have to establish the pass. Cavanaugh sucks.

Bostick threw too much and his INT’s killed us. Cavanaugh sucks.

Comment by Joey D 11.24.07 @ 6:55 pm

Bostick will never cut it, today demonstrated his poor ability. His mechanics are terrible with very little arm strength. His footwork is horrendous, they better recruit a few QB’s because I don’t think Stull will be the answer. Why is Turner and Chris McKillop still playing?

WVU is going to paste them. 08 is Wanny’s swan song.

Comment by Alfred E. Neuman 11.24.07 @ 7:12 pm

What, me worry? It’s TIME FOR HOOPS.

Comment by steve 11.24.07 @ 7:21 pm

Nothing from the QB position all year makes it tough to call plays. The WR’s haven’t done much to help throughout the year as well. What makes people think Stull is the answer? Playing well against Grambling doesn’t give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. I’m disappointed that Bostick hasn’t progressed as the season has gone on. Wasn’t he going to enroll last Sring? If so, that might have helped him out.

Comment by Topper22 11.24.07 @ 7:34 pm

Let’s be realistic here, Pat Bostick is not Dan Marino. Oderick Turner is not Larry Fitzgerald.

Does Bostick look bad at times? - absolutely - because he is a true freshman who was 3rd on the depth chart at the beginning of the season and missed half of camp. Sure, you hope for some development as time goes on but some people have different learning curves than others. He did throw for almost 300 yards today with 2 TD’s and 3 INT’s.

I remember people telling Palko to go to hell in the Nebraska game his sophomore year (3rd season) when Joe Flacco was “quick kicking” it better than him. Palko ironed it out and had a good career. This is Bostick’s 1st season in the program, in college - give it a rest.

Bill Stull is not going to come in and be Tom Brady. The advantage is that he knows how the offense works. If Stull is ready to go you have the same depth chart as we had going into this season, with Bostick red-shirting and Kevan Smith as the backup.

Kennard Cox sucks. Darrell Strong sucks.

WVU will probably kill us - because WVU is going to be the #1 team in the country and we are slightly less than mediocre.

Comment by Joey D 11.24.07 @ 7:46 pm

Amen. Cox and Strong have both been disappointments. Though the record is worse this year I still feel better than I did last year. Last year they weren’t going anywhere and were losing a 1st round cornerback, two LB’s to the pros, and good college QB. This years senior class really stunk.

The concern for next year will be familiar. (QB & offensive line) Next week might be real ugly.

Comment by Topper22 11.24.07 @ 7:55 pm

how did tommie cambell start over s. mckillop last yr? what were the coaches thinking?

Comment by alcofan 11.24.07 @ 9:20 pm

Then again, next week might be a real surprise. USF beat West Virginia. If Pitt doesn’t turn the ball over for defensive scores it is capable of beating West Virginia.

Comment by Pitt1972 11.24.07 @ 10:05 pm

These are the same coaches that have about 1111 problems but called out McCoy in the media last week because he’s fumbled three times this year.

These are the same coaches that knew they’d have 2 crappy QBs with minimal experience coming back and 1 untested frosh with a bad arm. Also one decent MLB and no other decent OLBs coming back, and their best frosh had Crohns Disease. But didn’t bother to recruit a Juco QB or OLB. Hello?

I could go on and on but the database probably has a limit.

Comment by geeman2001 11.24.07 @ 10:07 pm

I hate to throw a freshman under the bus (unlike a terrible senior TE)…but i just don’t get it…

Everyone agrees everything about him is bad - how the hell was he the 6th best QB in the nation? Do no more than 5 schools plan on throwing over 30 yards? Was he just graded on his height? He looks nothing like a DI QB. Is there something i’m missing here?

And for those of you that don’t think Stull will be infnitely better: are you kidding? We lost 4 games by 1 score without anything that resembles a QB at all. Against another football team on the field I saw he was able to complete passes by throwing them the correct distance - it doesn’t matter who the opponent is. Bostick throws balls into the dirt when guys are wide open - he can’t even make the safe throws right now. How about the wide open 4th and 3 where he throws it 2 yards? Smith was a head case too. You think Bostick would have looked even semi-decent against Grambling? Good luck. I have 100% confidence Stull makes those throws. We’ll be much, much better off in the QB department. I give Bostick a 0% chance of starting next year, and that’s being generous. He needs as much time as possible to figure this out.

I’m trying to think of a senior i feel bad for after this horrendous season…but i’m coming up blank….for the most part they didn’t even help themselves, why should i care. Maybe Otah. But that’s it. To the rest, good luck with your lifes work.

We definitely get a new O-line coach, right?

The line against WVU has to open at over 30 considering what they did to that fraud Uconn today (who beat us soundly). Anything less, bet the house.

Actually this game reminded me of the WVU game last year. We go in to half time winning, they come out and pound the shit out of us. It’s as if the half time speech is always “you morons, you’re losing to *Pitt* - stop being douches, go beat their asses.”

Thank god for basketball. At least they’re looking like they might be better than i originally thought.

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 10:24 pm

IF we don’t turn the ball over we only lose 42-0. What gives you any idea we have any chance of stopping them. Once USF remembered that the QB draw was a legal play in college football it was over. I don’t think WVU is going to wait half a game to go to that sort of “trickeration.”

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 10:27 pm

Bostick can’t throw 10 yards on a rope. He is the problem for this team and will not suddenly grow an arm. How does a quarterback get a stronger arm? He is terrible. Maybe Matt can teach him how to stare down his receiver more often.

Matt is the bad coach and not Rhoads. Funny how people got off that ship real fast. Maybe we will get lucky and fire Matt. How many times can his offense misfire and make mistakes, drops, and use the same formations. Do they pay him to coach the offense? He should be paying us for the chance to stink up our D1 team.

Give Dave a break. He had to be loyal to his offensive coordinator when he was hired.

Comment by oliver 11.24.07 @ 11:01 pm

BTW - I’m not sure why anyone thinks Stull has to be a crappy QB - is it because of his ranking coming out of HS? He was ranked #27, one spot behind a kid who went 8-4 last year (w/28td and 10int, 64% completions in his first season) and is beating Kansas right now to go 11-1: Chase Daniels. What was it that Stull did to make anyone doubt him? He’s had time to learn the system and was clearly ahead of the other QBs according to anyone that saw him. Without injuries, who knows how this season turns out… At least there’s hope for next year.

And our offense wasn’t terrible last year - how do we blame this on Cav? You see what happens when we let the frosh throw downfield - 3 INTS returned for TDs. That Cav’s fault too? Go ahead and bitch we don’t have 4 scholarship QBs, but blaming Cav makes no sense to me…

Comment by Stuart 11.24.07 @ 11:27 pm

I guess it is best to blame the coaching staff for poor recruiting in the QB situation. They definitely should have foreseen needing a Peyton Manning as their 3rd string QB. In fact, Dave Wannstedt should have done more to make Luke Getsy want to stay at Pitt.

What a waste of a scholarship on Pat Bostick. He is from PA and was rated high as a high school QB and was the PA player of the year. I am sure no one would mind if we didn’t even try to recruit him.

Come to think of it, I can’t remember any true freshman QB staring down receivers, having trouble adjusting to game speed, and not being in peak physical condition. You certainly don’t see that kind of thing in NFL rookies. Bostick has played what, 9-10 games?

The football team may be pathetic but Pitt fans are sharp as tacks. Matt Cavanaugh doesn’t let Bostick throw enough. Matt Cavanaugh doesn’t let Bostick throw it down the field. Matt Cavanaugh uses McCoy too little. Matt Cavanaugh made Bostick throw it too much. Matt Cavanaugh made Bostick throw it downfield knowing that he can’t throw it that far…. Give Cavanaugh a break - it seems that under it all he knows what he is doing. He has a true freshman QB who is not in game shape and is a steep learning curve. He has a true freshman RB that will be a stud but still has some things to learn. He has an offensive line that is horrible. He has receivers that look great sometimes but are usually mediocre. He has 1 great TE that is not used enough (I admit that) and 1 tight end who is so worthless I have no idea why he is in competitive athletics anymore. This is not the New England Patriots offense.

I guess we will jump back on the Cavanaugh bandwagon when the offense scores like 37 against a Top 25 team…..

I eagerly await everyone jumping off the “maybe Paul Rhoads is a good coordinator” bandwagon after next week.

Comment by Joey D 11.24.07 @ 11:39 pm

If Shane Murray is a starter at linebacker next season we are in big trouble !In the second half So. Fla ran every play at Murray, it didn’t matter where he lined up on the field .
Next week the defense can cheat by over playing where ever Murray lines up on the field ! Dickerson can’t grasp the linebacking position based on the coaches chewing him out on the sideline after each of the few plays he saw action on.

Comment by Marty 11.24.07 @ 11:39 pm

I would imagine that a quarterbacks are anatomically separate from other human beings and therefore they are incapable of using weights and exercises to build and tone muscles in their bodies.

Comment by Joey D 11.24.07 @ 11:42 pm

Quarterbacks don’t get stronger throwing arms. It’s not like lifting weights. Pitchers either have the speed or they don’t. Quarterbacks either have the hand size and arm strength or they don’t.

Matt is responsible for countless offsides penalties and linemen not knowing what to do or who to block. That is his job. Palko did less uner him than he did under Walt. In fact, Palko’s throws got weaker under Matt and his adjusted throwing motions. No one with common sense thought Bostick should throw down field more. He lacks an arm. Stull was much better and got hurt. But the close formations are predictable and their are former quarterbacks with speed that could do more in the backfield now than the over-used Wildcat formation or the one 10 yard lobs from Bostick.

It’s not Bostick sole problem that he stares down receivers. He has no arm. Since when do you try and start a quarterback as a freshman hoping he will get an arm some day? You either have one or you don’t. The kid played for a team in the middle of nowhere and it shows now. He throws picks because he can’t throw with mustard. Not because he is a freshman. You don’t get recruited because you might get an arm some day. We made a recruiting mistake. Let’s move on. Bostick is playing because we have no other healthy choice and no imagination. He is not anyone’s choice now that we see what he has.

Matt’s teams have jumped offsides 4 times in a row. That falls on Matt and not Dave or Rhoads.

Comment by oliver 11.24.07 @ 11:55 pm

Actually, pitchers can develop more velocity by doing exercises and lifting weights with the proper regimen - it allows pitchers to come back from injuries where the arm speed is down. Bostick will never have a Michael Vick arm where he can flick it 70 yards, but he can develop more velocity, which combined with an accurate throw, could be very useful.

Pat Bostick played for a team in the middle of nowhere - and that explains why he was highly recruited and now sucks. Well, Jeannette is the center of the universe in AA WPIAL playing teams from Westmoreland County all the time…

Who exactly should Pitt play at QB? Rod Rutherford? It is not like we are throwing Bostick out there for shits and giggles. Kevan Smith played and everyone decided he was the worst QB ever. Then Bostick becomes the worst QB ever and Kevan Smith becomes “if the coaches gave him more of a chance…he could be really good”. Maybe Darrell Strong could play QB, or Mo Williams who played at Erie Strong Vincent (middle of nowhere - so he automatically sucks).

I am not sure how Palko put up worse numbers under Cavanaugh than under Walt. Palko never had a great arm but still put up big numbers.

We are on a roll tonight. I can’t wait to hear someone complain how we never go to bowl games anymore, you know, one of the 300 Pitt fans that actually ever traveled to a bowl game.

Comment by Joey D 11.25.07 @ 12:08 am

Bostick just has no experience.

He wasn’t supposed to play this much this early, and he is and it shows.

I’m not “on the ledge” about Bostick yet. It’d be ridiculous to be.

I’m more pissed about our coaching. Yeah, Pittsburgh Dave’s recruited well, but he left us PERILOUSLY thin and inexperienced at QB coming into this year.

As for the game itsef, HOW THE FUCK do we not prepare for a fake punt when they did it twice last year?

And 2nd half adjustments? You’ll find none from Pitt. USF always plays strong in the 2nd half. See they make halftime adjustments when things aren’t going well. Novel approach, I know….

USF really isn’t that impressive. If ANYTHING happens to Grothe, they’re fucked. He IS the USF offense.

Their defense is solid, a tad overrated, but solid. They seem to thrive when they have a decent lead and can force other teams to have to pass on every down. In tighter games where teams can take advantage of their lack of size, they’re pretty average.

All-in-all, and I know this will shock some people, I didn’t see a huge gap in talent between Pitt and USF. The difference was coaching (duh!), and experience on the offensive side of the ball for Pitt.

Seriously, a team with a halfway competant offense that doesn’t shoot itself in the foot every series wins this one by 2 TDs with how well our defense kept us in the game for 3 quarters.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 11.25.07 @ 1:37 am

‘It isn’t a surprise that South Florida was able to pull off a fake punt in the first quarter — the Bulls successfully ran two fake punts for first downs a year ago against Pitt.

And South Florida coach Jim Leavitt said that if the Bulls had needed to run another one yesterday, he had no doubt it would have worked because of the way the Panthers line up to defend punts.

“We practiced it all week and we really felt like it would be there. It worked out pretty good,” he said. “We saw it on film. We really thought there was a chance for it. We really felt like we could have run it even after that. It was still there. We just didn’t run it. The guys are probably mad at me for that. It was still there on a fourth-and-1 from our own 20.

“We probably could have got it but we could have had a bad snap. I don’t know if you want to go to the well that many times.”‘ - From the PG

Kevin Smith was never healthy enough to play, that was all crap.

Byham’s knee injury “appeared to be serious” - sounds like he’s done and has 6 months of rehab ahead of him. That sucks - he was one of the guys who actually seemed to give a shit and deserved the ball more. Luckily he’ll be #1 by default next year.

Comment by Stuart 11.25.07 @ 1:57 am

Oh - and Oregon has to use the backup QB instead of Dixon and scores 0 points this week. I guess that position is important. No - wait - the OC sucks - its his fault. Fire the OC!

Comment by Stuart 11.25.07 @ 2:04 am

As for the offsides, I blame the OL coach more than Cav(still blame Cav though). The OL is also very bad so they could just be…ugh, very bad. I do not blame Bostick for trying too much(unless you look stupid). He needs some serious work so the off season could be very good for him. He does however need to understand that the INT’s he threw today were nails on wood. He also needs to learn that defenses like hitting QB’s and you should run away from them really fast.

Comment by Panthoor 11.25.07 @ 2:24 am

I think Paul Dunn is a senior, right???? Anyway, the first interception was Darrel Strong’s fault - he never even looked for the ball. The second interception was a phenomenal play by what’s-his-name, the middle linebacker, on a blitz read by Bostick that was the correct read. The third interception Bostick did stare down the receiver, but Turner and Porter were too close together and Turner’s man intercepted the ball to Porter. A wrong route or a bad play call.

Couple this with: Collins dropping an easy pass that would have gone for a touchdown. Porter dropping the perfect pass from McCoy. Turner giving up on a ball that hit him in the hands (he was bailed out by Williams). Etc. Etc. Always one guy screwed up on almost every play. I blame….McGlynn, Turner, Strong, Phillips.

Comment by Kevin 11.25.07 @ 8:30 am

Bostick was aweful, why was smith never put in? I was calling for Smith in the second quarter when it was obvious that pat didnt have it. He looks so slow and awkward out there. Just another game where pitt did not capitalize on all of their chances and the other teams mistakes. The D though continues to get better and that is encouraging.

Comment by Rex 11.25.07 @ 8:32 am

Jimbo is right. We are talking about a freshman quarterback. You cant judge him yet. Freshmen make mistakes. Bostick seemed sharp in the first half, but that second half he inexperience showed… ALOT. Pitt is easily just as good as that team. We dont throw those interceptions and get that 4th and 2 we win by a td or two. The coaches are the reason we arent pulling these games out. When Pitt gets new coaches they need to not worry about a pitt guy and second they need to get a guy that has been a winner whether he is 1AA or what. They just have to get back to being a winner.
Maybe it looked different on tv, but it seemed Otah did half decent on Selbie. The rest of the line was a joke. Shady got hit as he touched the ball half the time.
i sat by a guy that thinks we should fire cavanaugh and keep rhoads…. My comment to him… WAIT FOR WVU. Rhoads gets destroyed against the spread offense. Leavitt was an idiot, because they did no play action, options, or scrambled Grothe until the last drive in the first half and early in the second half.
Cav had a decent game calling plays. Im not sold on him, but you cant fire him for a fresh qb

Comment by Adam 11.25.07 @ 10:11 am

Kevin…. ALL 3 INTS were HORRIBLE passes. the first was thrown wayyyy behind strong.

Comment by Adam 11.25.07 @ 10:12 am

One time Otah looked bad - first carry of the game, Selbie was in the backfield, other than that, Otah held his own. McGlynn and the Right Guard were destroyed….I agree with Adam that the Rhoads defense showed up again when they went to the spread - we got lucky a couple times on all-out blitzes to stop the bleeding. Adam, I’m not saying Bostick played great, just that the interceptins weren’t solely his fault - Strong should at least have looked for the ball and got his hands on it. Maybe not a completion, but not a pick.

Bostick was panicking on the blitzes later in the game, but the OLine sucked big time - a couple times we counted two guys that got to Bostick who had two OLinemen on them and they both got through clean. Paul DUNN must go.

Comment by Kevin 11.25.07 @ 10:36 am

We didn’t play Smith because he was never available - his shoulder was hurt too bad, all that talk during the week was to screw with USF. Our #2 qb was Malichik(sp?).

The ball to Strong *was* thrown in front of him - he just ran a poor route. I guess he half-assed it figured he wasn’t getting the ball on that down. That should have been a pass breakup by the defender, not a pick. The other two balls, he needs to know where coverage is (although our line is terrible and he has no protection) and the third ball was just atrocious.

Where do we find a good Oline coach? I see no chance of that guy sticking around. Even if the players suck, he has to make them at least competent. I saw nothing of that. Not everyone out there has 5* lineman - and their QBs and RBs don’t get hit on every play.

Comment by Stuart 11.25.07 @ 4:33 pm

bostick put nothing on that throw. It looked like just a poor pass. Whether Strong could have broken it up or not… I dont know. Regardless it was a really bad pass.
Im optimistic for next year though.
Depth a QB should be good. The problem is there might not be one qb that is above average next year. It is wide open but I expect Bostick or Stull with Smith as the third option.
Shady will be the feature back and LSH will be a second guy. Kevin Collier will be back too. should be interesting to see what pitt does with him.
Recievers should be fine. Mo Will is looking more and more impressive each game and TJ Porter isnt half bad. I wouldnt be surprised if they pass up Oderick Turner.
O-Line has a lot of young/inexperienced talent. Pinkston, Jacobsen, Nix, Matha, Joe Thomas, CJ Davis, and this new guy from purdue. Im looking forward to a lot of depth. They might be too young and inexperienced to be amazing, but shouldnt be bad. Otah is a HUGE loss
dline- seems to be getting better on the rush. Between Malecki, Romeus, Williams, Duhart, and Mustakas being back. Tony Tucker is a guy i hope will start to be beneficial. Sheard grabbed some pt at the end of the game too.
Linebackers doesnt change too too much. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE Scott Mckillop. He is a little guy that plays with SO much heart. Dickerson SHOULD be okay after a year of playing in and out there. Dan Loheyde is going to be a good player. Im calling that right now! (not next year though)Nate Nix and Brandon Lindsey are young.. Who knows what you will get with them. Adam Gunn and Shane Murray are both back and had a lot of playing time this year. Both are nothing too special. a little below average players
Dbacks have to get better this year. Aaron Berry is going to be good. Ricky Gary has little experience. Chappel isnt anything wonderful. I hope to see elijah fields back.. (if he hasnt completely left) Thatcher isnt great. Aaron Smith was very athletic out of highschool, but hasnt been too impressive. We have Hobby and Reed coming in, but dont expect anything out of those two yet. Maybe Jared Holley comes in. He would atleast have an outside shot at some pt. This is a position that must get better.
Not too excited about the recruiting class like i have been in the last few years. Nix is very exciting. Chris Burns isnt going to do anything right off the bat. He is playing for a tiny Wilmington school and definitely wont start over shady and LSH.
I really want Baldwin. He is a GREAT talent. Pryor is pretty much out of the question. Cameron saddler might be the new LSH after he is gone. Holley is a good talent. Aj Alexander may come in and be decent. Most likely a db. Shayne Hale seems pretty distant. Ryan Williams is another long shot. Streeter is up in the air. A who knows. These are all guys that would be really nice.
Wow wouldnt it be a dream to have t. pryor though. The qb problems could just disappear right away with a guy like that

Comment by Pittbballguy 11.25.07 @ 8:36 pm

I agree that Pryor would be pretty nice to have. Look at good teams and alot of them have really good scrambling qbs that can pass if they need to. Dennis Dixon, Pat White, Tim Teabow.
I feel like Pitt would be such a good fit for Pryor too. Play on a good basketball team and a football team that is so young and with a good qb is in a bowl right now. It is close to home. We PLAY FRESHMAN!

Comment by Adam 11.25.07 @ 8:45 pm

I know that Pryor is the #1 high school prospect in the country in football, but just out of curiousity, where does he rank in hoops?

I seriously think that if he were at that game yesterday he could’ve been convinced that he is the missing piece of the puzzle. Believe it or not, witnessing that loss could have actually HELPED us recruit the kid.

Pryor and Shady COULD BE > White and Slaton.

Probably not gonna happen, but a man can dream right? Ironically, I actually have a real bad feeling that Pryor’s going to join the hoopies and become Pat White pt. 2. Going to Penn State and getting ruined by JoePa would be really dumb of him.

Also, I was reading the other pre-game post about USF’s press clippings. This fellating the Tampa sports media does on all of their sports team is ridiculous. I know you want to give the hometown slant, but I live in Tampa and the media is just ridiculous.

Particulary the part about all the sellouts at RayJay. (I posted this under the other topic but nobody will probably read that one)…

Ummm…. there were TWO sold out games in Raymond James: WVU and UCF. There were less people at the USF v. UNC game (the week before the WVU game) than there were at Pitt’s game this weekend.

That was it.

And you can’t call them “sell outs” due to USF’s Div 1AA-esque practice of giving away about 20,000 tickets (if they can) per game to students.

It just makes me mad that when we’re put in those situations, people in Pittsburgh make it sound like Pitt’s a huge piece of shit.

But USF gets treated with kid gloves down here and praised for it.

I guess it’s just because Pittsburghers are waaaay more cynical than Tamponians.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 11.25.07 @ 9:05 pm

Pittbballguy -

You forgot Kinder in the list of WRs - he’s a little better than the others you list.

And Chappel is already a better cover corner than Cox will ever be. He just doesn’t seem to be good enough in run support/tackling right now.

I can’t wait until White is gone. At least they’re beatable when their backup is in - right now, they’re just killing everyone. You have to outscore them and pray they make a mistake. There just a really good college football team - they use the fact there is no team with solid defensive players from top to bottom and make it a 7 on 7 game. And it fucking eats me up inside to say it. At least its not PSU.

Comment by Stuart 11.25.07 @ 9:47 pm

I cant wait for white to be gone either, but i said the same thing when Rasheed Marshall was there. I thought sheed was the guy that made the team. Then he leaves and Pat White. I wouldnt be at all surprised if its the system and not as much the player. I still would like to see white gone, but i would not be at all surprised if a year or two after he leaves we see the next sheed/white.
Pryor would easily be the missing link. I doubt he will go to PSU. My uncle is RICH grad from PSU and he has talked to Bradley. Bradley says it is really hard to recruit with Paterno, because the players arent sure what he does and how long he will be there. He said Ohio State or Florida. I heard Ohio State wont let him play both sports. Florida has Teabow??? that makes me worried that WVU could be a possibility. Huggins is as criminal as they come and will do whatever to get him there. I once again agree with Jimbo that the USF game would be an eye opener to a team that could be one of the top teams with a good qb. I really think Pitt has such an upside. Not to mention that we really have a good amount of guys in the media that can help get him attention. May sold fitz all the time. This is a place where he has a chance to just stand out. I guess this opinion is bias because my pops played football at pitt and i was graduated from pitt, but i really think that Pitt could be the best fit for Pryor.
im starting to rant now, but here is why:
Media attention: You have May pushing Pitt guys left and right. Ditka, Marino also work as NFL guys.
Playing time: We sure as hell know he can atleast challenge for a starting job
Players surrounding him: we have three top 25 recruiting classes and we play in a conference that is lucky to have one other team have a top 25 recruiting class. He is surrounded by YOUNG talent that is getting experience.
SHADY SHADY SHADY
Much easier to go to a nat’l champ in the big east than some other conferences.

Florida- has teabow. Great football and bball would most likely make him choose football or bball.

Tennessee- Very crappy style offense. Play in the SEC where they cant win the conference. Too many other great teams. goodluck trying to win a championship there. Bball is okay, but the talent will be gone when he gets there

Texas- Colt Mccoy. Far away. They always recruit top guys so he will always be fighting for a starting spot. wont let him play both sports

Ohio State- Wont let him play both sports. I believe junior qb?

WVU- Well it is WVU… Enough said.

Pitt bball has Blair, who he played with, and would atleast let him play both sports. They let Revis do it. He just chose to only play football. I remember for media day Revis was there in a uniform though. ohhhh and we are what the 4th winningest team since 2000.

Comment by Adam 11.25.07 @ 10:57 pm

ps. is baldwin still leaning towards pitt? i see rivals has alot about him and notre dame. someone said that he was going to chose Pitt after his season ended earlier this year

Comment by Adam 11.25.07 @ 10:59 pm

I saw scout/rivals/somebody had Pryor as #5 in the country in hoops.

That’s 1+5 = 6 –> he averages as the 3rd best in the country.

Comment by Kevin 11.25.07 @ 11:25 pm

I listened to the game on the radio first 3 qtrs…then watched the 4th qtr…some observations;

1. O line STILL making too many mental errors forcing 3 and long consistently with a true freshman QB….anybody think this constant rain of crap sets up a good situation ?

2. Pitt still unable to get 1 or 2 yards when they need it.

3. I guess we don’t have anybody good enough to spy Grothe…..and keep him bottled up

4. I watched plenty of other games….including the Kansas Mo game…..Kansas was a wasteland of college f ball more so than Pitt…..and look what a spread attack and a competent coaching staff has done with that crew…..the speed, desire, and level of play I saw in that game compared to the the plodding, inept effort by Pitt only underscored how far we got to go…..it’s light years…..

guys we can gripe about the players….and bad luck….but it comes back to the coaches….3 years into this mess…..some aspect of this team should be approaching competence….I see very little right now….

Sad thing…unless the coaching and approach to the game changes….we will still be having this same conversation 365 days from now…I am sure that Wanny is convinced he is doing the right thing….but can Pitt ever coach and develop the players to consistently play the type of game that Wannstadt envisions ?

Comment by deter 11.26.07 @ 9:18 am

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