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October 23, 2007

The Defense Feels Better

Filed under: Assistants,Coaches,Football,Tactics — Chas @ 4:50 am

For one game at least.

Turnovers were one of the main themes. That’s fine. This one, I understand but don’t buy into. The defensive players apparently are claiming it was all about getting behind DC Rhoads.

“We know we are a good team, we’re not a bad team,” defensive back Kennard Cox said. “And coach [Dave] Wannstedt is a great coach and so is our coaching staff. We had some adversity but we just kept on sawing wood. We just had the will to win.

“And we’ve been rallying around coach Rhoads all year. You think about it, as a defense we only had one off game all season. As a team, we’ve been up and down, but we’ve stuck together and from this point forward now we need to keep it together.”

The theme of rallying behind Rhoads seems to be a major one among the defensive players. Instead of just talking, the Panthers showed it on the field against Cincinnati, doing some things that have been uncharacteristic.

Apparently they rallied around him, by discarding the Rhoadsian approach of bend but don’t break. Of passive defense.

Sorry. I’m really happy about the win. I would love to see it continue, but I’m seeing quotes from players and Coach Wannstedt pretending that only the Navy game was the bad one for the defense. That UConn and Virginia wasn’t the defense’s fault at all because the offense — and coaching decisions — buried the team early. That’s crap.

The offense was putrid in those games. Not disputing that. The defense, though, hardly distinguished itself. Wannstedt excused the lack of turnovers in those games because the opponent built up big leads and only handed off and just looked to eat clock. Well, that skews the defensive numbers when a team has built a huge lead before halftime. So, it can’t be both to me. The defense didn’t do anything in the first halves of those games in turnovers or stopping the opposing offenses.

Zeise in his Q&A took too much of a contrarian stance in response to this question.

Q: Much has been written about what a great defensive effort Pitt turned in last week. But I saw something different, I saw an offense that kept on shooting itself in the foot with penalties. Although the turnovers were a nice plus, I think those penalties masked a mediocre defensive effort much like it did against Michigan State. These last five games will be long ones if face teams who can stay disciplined.

ZEISE: I would have to respectfully disagree. Look, it is easy to kill the Panthers for their ineptitude over the past few years because they have made it easy but the flip side of that is, you have to give credit where credit is due and they deserve a lot of credit. And what I saw from Cincinnati — and this leads to penalties and turnovers — is a team that got frustrated because Pitt made it difficult on them. Pitt did a lot things we haven’t seen, like blitz, like drop guys off into coverage after showing blitz — and that threw the Bearcats and their quarterback, Ben Mauk, out of their rhythm. I’m not sure what the final five games will bring for this Pitt defense, but for one day at least, the unit stood tall against a very good offensive team, and the Panthers for once were the aggressor and that is what led to those results.

Why can’t it be both? The Pitt defense was uncharacteristically aggressive. That contributed. That said, the defense didn’t come out of the gates aggressive. Cinci, though, came out from the get go sloppy and penalty inclined.  The second half turnovers. No doubt that came from Pitt’s defense being more aggressive. But, don’t discount how sloppy and poorly Cinci played.





waah waah waaah
their o played sloppy and poorly because they were actually confused by the pitt d. And their d line gave up at the end. It’s only one game, but come on.

Comment by tiger 10.23.07 @ 7:00 am

I read a comment by Wannstache yesterday where he praises Louisville QB Brohm’s ability to pick apart Defenses…specifically Wanny mentioned that you can’t blitz Brohm…he’ll burn you….I hope this doesn’t mean we are going back to Rhodesian wait-and-react D…..we need to be aggressive, blitz, pressure and make Brohm move and get out of his rhythm….

Comment by deter 10.23.07 @ 8:16 am

How can anyone give Rhoades any credit? It took the guy 6 years to become aggressive half the time. 6 Years. Even a retarded monkey will put the round peg in the round hole if given enough time.

We don’t even know if this was Rhoades idea in the first place. I would think that he would be totally against any type of change. After all we have heard for 6 years that his scheme is sound and that it would work if the players just hit the gaps and executed the game plan correctly.

For all we know it could have been Wanny under glass calling for an agressive D. If so he needs to stay there and call the same type of D again this week.

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 10.23.07 @ 9:15 am

First off, very nice win for the Panthers on Saturday! It was actually fun to watch a game this year and I am very happy for the whole team…and that means everyone, coaches and players! Hopefully, this was a game the Panthers can build upon.

In reference to Zeise’s Q&A, I do think it goes both ways. I think we all can agree Cinncy was certainly not as sharp as they have been. However, Pitt did things on D that certainly helped caused many of those mistakes (both physical and mental). Don’t discount the way they played on Defense. When you force pressure on the QB, that pressure can translate to the whole offensive squad….,false starts, turnovers, wrong reads, etc….It can become the “snowball effect.”

With that said, unless I am reading too much into Coach’s remarks, I am very disappointed that Pitt doesn’t want to build on their aggressive style D against Louisville. They may see something that I don’t, but Brohm isn’t mobile and you can’t let him back there surveying the landscape all afternoon. Shane Murray said it in one of the articles today, “I really enjoy the blitz package because that can take a lot of pressure off our secondary and our linebackers in pass coverage. Hopefully, we’re going to keep it up.” I would think that would be a pertinent area of focus for Louisville on Saturday. Only time will tell!

“Hail to Pitt”

Comment by Jason 10.23.07 @ 9:31 am

The key to the Cincinnati game was Pitt not turning the ball over. Cinicinnati lived on turnovers this year. Their turnover margin was incredible. Pitt only threw one bad pass all game, did not fumble and had long drives that ate the clock and kept the defense off the field. More importantly, it kept the Cincinnati offense on the bench as well. Pitt did make some aggressive play calls, but if the defense were on the field all game they would have been burned. The fumbles were nice hustle plays by Pitt and a result of the offense being cold from sitting on the sidelines for the majority of the second half. The offense should get just as much credit as the defense in this game.

Comment by Omar 10.23.07 @ 10:44 am

Omar, very good point! The offense does deserve credit. They did control the game on the offensive side of the ball. Again, I feel the whole game plan fit well together with one side of the ball complimenting the other, nicely. Though I will say the defense was doing things slightly different than what it has done in the past.

You and I both know what the offense wanted to do and they accomplished those goals. I am not saying the defense was the deciding factor b/c it wasn’t. However, the defense plan was different on Saturday. I feel it fit much better into the Panther’s overall game plan, rather than the “sit back and wait approach” they normally institute.

“Hail to Pitt”

Comment by Jason 10.23.07 @ 1:00 pm

I think you guys have misreaad Wannstedt’s comments about not blitzing. He did say on one hand you can’t blitz Brohm because he is so smart that he’ll read the blitz and carve you up with hot reads over the middle; but on the other hand you can’t sit back and let him pick the secondary apart. He then said you have to mix-up your blitzes and coverages, as well as disguise some blitzes and cover packages.

I think all he was saying was that you can’t simply plan to blitz Brohm on 1st and 2nd down like they did Mauk – you’ve got to be a bit more selective about when to be aggressive. And a defense being aggressive does NOT always mean a defense has to blitz. There are other ways to be aggressive.

Comment by Sara 10.23.07 @ 2:39 pm

A little OT, but I ran out at lunch and Bostick was on with Junker and Crow. Wow. Listening to that interview made me realize just how young he is. Clearly he was also nervous, but he was on friendly ground with these guys. It was uncomfortable to listen to, though. When they asked him what it was like having Wannstache upstairs for the Cincy game, it literally took him 60 seconds of stumbling to come up with “It was … different.”

Comment by Carmen 10.23.07 @ 2:57 pm

Sara,

Agreed, there are many ways to skin a cat and you are right aggression doesn’t always mean a blitz package. The major thing that sticks in my mind about the Cincy game is that the defense just looked so much more engaged. Along w/ picking certain situations to blitz, they also changed their looks, schemes and really attempted to confuse Cincy. It was refreshing to see and I think that it produced some good results. Hopefully, I am over-analyzing Coach W’s comments.

“Hail to Pitt”

Comment by Jason 10.23.07 @ 4:03 pm

I heard the Bostick interview as well and I tip my hat to all these kids who do those kind of things and show a good bit of poise. Especially because they don’t live in a bubble, they know Junker and Crow are cretins who despise Pitt and have been howling about our misfortune everyday while trying to build up their beloved Big Turds and SUC. Bostick and the likes are far more mature than I am, in that I would refuse to give those scum the time of day when they sniff around and hypocritcally try to kiss my ass following a nice win, after ripping my team and me for two months. They could eat my feces.

Comment by geeman2001 10.23.07 @ 5:06 pm

The blitz is high risk high reward. We blitz late in the game and Cincy called a screen which if the runner did not fumble was a huge gain. I think our percentage of successful blitzs against Cincy was very low. I like the blitz but we seemed out of position and slow to get to pressure on the quarterback. The rule of thumb is that you should have more plus plays blitzing than negative.
We need improvement on the blitz from our defensive (pressure from linemen, linebackers and coverage from secondary).
I guess the only way to improve is too practice blitzing and blitz more.

The one postive i saw is that our corners were closers to the recievers instead of their customary 10 yards off.

Questions- Did Dom and Dorin play? Keep TJ on the field with Mo

Comment by cdmoore25 10.23.07 @ 6:15 pm

OT:

Did anyone see this article in the Chicago Tribune about GRAY maybe becoming a STARTER for the Bulls? He’s some kind of amazing scoring threat now?

link to chicagosports.chicagotribune.com

Comment by Stuart 10.23.07 @ 8:04 pm

And he’s the single most talked about player on blogabull, both of the top 2 stories:

link to blogabull.com

It’s unbelievable. I’d love to see him succeed (even though when the stakes got big for us, he didn’t come through), but I always have this sinking feeling that when the pressure gets too big (ie, do good in these 2 games and you’ll be starting opening day your rookie season even though you were a second round pick!) he crumbles…anyone remember that second georgetown game? The one that decided if we would win the big east? Anyways, good luck. It would be funny for him to start and score against the starters for the Mavs tonight…

Comment by Stuart 10.23.07 @ 8:47 pm

thanks for the update on Gray. Fans won’t appreciate what he did last yr. till this yr.

Comment by alcofan 10.24.07 @ 8:25 am

“Appreciate what he did last year”? Are you serious?

Listen, I can appreciate that Gray worked hard to become a better player and was a big part of their success. But, IMO, he was a bigger part of their failure when it really counted. More than anything about Gray I will remember the hundreds of layups he missed and how he was dominated by mediocre centers in big games. IMO, those missed layups and poor performances were all mental — a complete lack of a killer instinct. If that’s something he’s finally developed, then great. I just wish he had it one year earlier, because it most likely would have made a huge difference.

Comment by Carmen 10.24.07 @ 9:17 am

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