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December 16, 2006

Yep, watched on delay. Both teams came out fired for the game. Haven’t looked at the comments yet.
That was not what I exepcted. I did not expect 6′ 11″ Bryan Butch do a Kevin Pittsnogle impersonation with his shooting. Knocking down 3s and draining 3s. Unlike Pittsnogle, though, Butch also rebounded.

The killer in this game, was that Pitt’s defense allowed the second chance points off of offensive rebounds.  Especially in the first half. I wasn’t upset at the defense in the first half. It just seemed that both teams were hitting their shots. Some of the 3s that Wisconsin hit, there was simply nothing to be done.

The second half just saw more of the same from Wisconsin. Pitt, however, could not get their shots. Dropping from shooting 52% in the first half to just over 35% in the second.

Wisconsin did what they should, especially when their guards barely contributed. They kept driving inside and forcing the issue. Crashing inside is part of why they could outrebound and outphysical Pitt.

Now, for the sour grapes portion. These refs sucked. They went as much on the reputation of Wisconsin not fouling, especially early. I understand the team that is aggressive generally gets rewarded on fouls, but the calls were highly one-sided about when to let the teams play and the quick whistle.

That said, Wisconsin was the better team. Their frontcourt was amazingly dominant. Four players — all forwards and  centers — had 70 of the 86 points scored by Wisconsin.





It was truely a bad game for Pitt, in many areas. Most noteably, our lack of defense/rebounding. The intensity just wasn’t there. And the refs…well, they only caused more heartburn. No time to panic though. After all it was a road loss, which included an amazing performance by Tucker and that other dude! In any case, I have great confidence in this team. They will rebound from this loss next wk. versus OK State…

Comment by MoE 12.16.06 @ 5:28 pm

Just an observation. I think we need to play with a greater sense of urgency — both offensively and defensively. We don’t attack the basket or pressure the ball very much/very well. The mindset seems to be a more zen-like “take what the opponent gives us.”
We have the depth and athleticism for a modified “40 minutes of hell” approach. We should use it to our advantage and dictate tempo.
It was painfully obvious that we were not the toughest kid on the block today. Wisconsin was in control throughout and the score could have been much more lopsided. That’s difficult to swallow.
Don’t want to appear as if I’m bailing on this team. I’m not. I just haven’t seen that killer instinct yet.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 12.16.06 @ 6:10 pm

Tough loss. I don’t think we played our game AT ALL. The lack of defensive rebounding has become a huge problem. Ramon kept us in the game in the first half and we pissed away his effort in the last five minutes of the said half. I am going to call out Graves and Cook, they need to rebound the fucking ball. Kendall goes over to help on a drive and we give up an offensive rebound every time. We need to rotate and grab the rebound. We should have beat that team and a lazy 5 minutes cost us the game.

We still have what it takes to go deep in the tourney this year and an early loss to a decent team is okay. However, the defensive rebounding needs to improve by leaps and bounds. I think we can regroup and beat Ok. State.

Finally, great game by Tucker and Butch. That is what big time players do in an important game.

Comment by omar 12.16.06 @ 6:53 pm

44 free throw attempts by Wisconsin. Are your kidding me? That is outrageous. Obviously the officials made a huge difference in this game.

Comment by omar 12.16.06 @ 7:09 pm

Y’know Omar, you really must ticked off. You’re usually pretty calm in your observations.

Can’t say that I blame you with this one, though.

Still, the season’s young.

Comment by Shawn 12.16.06 @ 8:19 pm

They got outplayed. How in the hell you let Butch square up and shoot those 3s is beyond me. Why not put Kendall on him and speaking of Kendall, shoot the freakin ball!!!

Comment by Kenny 12.16.06 @ 8:23 pm

Thanks Shawn, I usually am pretty rational when it comes to Pitt (obviously lying). Pitt didn’t play well and should not have won the game, but 44 free throws is an unbelievable number.

Comment by omar 12.16.06 @ 8:26 pm

Butch had made 2 threes all year. No way you worry about him shooting that shot.

Comment by omar 12.16.06 @ 8:28 pm

He can make the 3. When it is evident that he is making them, take the shot away from him. They got outplayed for sure but if you get in his face you just may stop him. That goes for the gaurd who was draining them as well. Their 3s killed us.

Comment by Kenny 12.16.06 @ 8:39 pm

This was a great loss. Dixon would not expose them to this type of game the last several years and it cost us in March. On offense, we are fine, we scored 75 points against a good defense on the road. This game was great because it will drill the importance of defensive fundamentals into this teams head (and that includes staying in your rotation and boxing out for rebounds). I’m not happy to loose, but if this team plays more agressive defense, inside and out, as a result, then it will be well worth today’s loss.

Comment by HbgFrank 12.16.06 @ 8:49 pm

This is the best offensive team we have had. If we can improve defensively (especially on the boards), then we will do some damage in March.

Comment by omar 12.16.06 @ 9:40 pm

People say we obviously did not play our game, but we have not really played our game all year… When do we begin to realize that our game may have changed over the last year and for some reason, we forgot how to play defense this year.

Comment by Scott 12.16.06 @ 11:37 pm

I don’t know if the refs call every game at the Kohl Center like they did today, but it was pretty much Duke-esque. I can see why they’ve lost like six times in eight years or something there. You’ve got to believe that’s one of the hottest home-court advantages in D-I. I’d say Duke, Wisky, ‘Cuse (when the dome is full for a important Big East game)…anybody else have any thoughts? I think we’ve got a good home court advantage too.

Also, we didn’t play Bradley today, as somebody compared the loss to earlier. We played a team that is definately an elite team. Wisconsin is going to be a TOUGH out this year. They’re going to be the kind of 2/3 seed that plows their way through their region and is a team that no 1 seed wants to see opposite them.

As far as Pitt goes, it just didn’t feel like the team was prepared for the game. Even from teh opening tip, it seemed like we were constantly digging our way out of a hole. Sure, we cut the deficit a couple of times in the first half, but there was one team that was fired up to play, and that was Wisconsin. Kudos to them, and here’s to hoping that Pitt learns from this game and heads to OK City with some extra motivation.

Last thing: this is a tough sked this year. If we get out of the non-con with one loss to Wisconsin, it will be a roaring success. I will trade this loss in mid-December for better preparedness in March anyday.

Comment by Aaron 12.17.06 @ 12:43 am

Is it me or did the ball seem to constantly bounce or roll towards a wisconsin player? (specifically Butch-nogle or Dwayne Wade-Tucker)

I know part of it can be attributed to Wisconsin simply being more aggressive, but there is a degree of “luck” there too, and Wisconsin seemed to have it yesterday unfortunately.

Looking at the Box Score now:

Bigg’s missed some key wide open shots, ended up 1 for 6, and 0 for 2 on free throws. After starting out hot, Ramon ended up 6 of 14 shooting (4 of 10 from the 3 pt line). Kendall only took two shots the entire game…

Comment by Ryan M 12.17.06 @ 8:40 am

Like everybody else, I’d like to see a little more overall toughness out of Pitt. A loss to a very good team at a homecourt like that can be a learning experience. I liked how fired up Dixon seemed throughout the game (obviously the refs were under his skin) but I’d like to see him translate that intensity to the demeanor of the team. For instance, when Cook took the nonchalant showboat layup attempt in the first half, he should have been sitting next to Dixon getting an earful. Finally Jamie gets fired up but none of it trickled down to the players and they didn’t match the Badger’s intensity. And maybe that goes to the point that some of the rest of you are making — this might not be one of the same Pitt teams built to win low-scoring games with guys like Zavackas, Greer, Brown, Page, Troutman etc. etc. But even if this team needs to play a different style, they still need to rebound and play tougher D than they did yesterday. A couple other random observations:

*When Wisconsin has a mismatch, all 5 players know where the ball needs to go. When Young was trying to handle Butch inside, it was just a matter of time before the Badgers found him. The same was true of Cook and Tucker……and that’s coaching and discipline.

*Ramon shot great early and still managed to miss all the 3s that mattered later. Even so, I like it better when he plays the 2 alongside Fields. Yes it makes for a small backcourt, but he’s out of position at the point.

*Biggs is in love with his jumper and really looks small when he faces some actual size.

*Kendall didn’t have his normal all-around floor game.

*Don’t know how under the weather Gray was, but he certainly didn’t dominate.

*Sam Young was in the game less than 30 secs before he committed his first foul on Tucker 22 feet from the basket.

Even with all these criticisms, I’d rather see Pitt play tough games like this and learn from it than wait until March to see any non-conf competition. They’ll get better.

Comment by Rod Brookin 12.17.06 @ 11:07 am

pitts ranking is predicated on sam youngs improvement from last year and it has not happened yet.

Comment by alcofan 12.17.06 @ 11:55 am

I posted this on another board, thought I’d share here as well:

There were 4 keys to the loss, in reverse order of importance:

4. Home cooking for Wisconsin. Calls normally go in favor of the home team, and they did in this game. Not just the foul differential, but also a couple of key out of bounds plays. In fact, it was just after that wrong call on the ball knocked out of bounds under the basket, that Wisconsin went on the run that built the lead that they maintained throughout. Pitt’s response to the bad calls was not good–they looked upset and confused. That’s why it’s good to play these games before the conference season starts, so they learn how to overcome the refs, which is key to winning on the road.

3. #32 for Wisconsin had a career nite shooting. He comes in shooting 14% from behind the arc, and hits 2 of three, plus he hits 8 of 11 overall. Props to him, not much you can do, though see #1 below.

2. Pitt failed to take advantage of a key strength. Pitt came back from the big early deficit and took a lead, much as a result of pushing the ball, and attacking the basket. Pitt is normally a 1/2 court offensive team, but they [I]are[/I] capable of running. Normally, though, that’s not their advantage over other teams. Against Wisconsin, (who was bigger and stronger), Pitt could have run all day. They beat them down the court every time they pushed it, unfortunately they didn’t push it enough. Not that the game was lost because of Pitt’s offense, but by moving it more up-tempo, that may very well have changed the flow of the game.

1. Aaron Gray was [I]very[/I] sick. They didn’t dwell on it, but those of us who’ve seen him play, and seen him up close could see it. When they showed his face even at the very beginning of the game you could see how pale and drawn he was. Watching him play, you could see he didn’t move at all like he’s been doing this year. Yes he got points (but notice how several of his foul shots front-rimmed, he rarely does that) but that’s not his key with Pitt. I think the rest of the nation now realizes Pitt has lots of offensive weapons–5 guys in double figures. Gray’s value is on the defensive boards–last season Ken Pomeroy did an analysis of % of available rebounds that a player got, Gray was near the very top of that list. Yesterday, Gray never moved, rarely reached, and was caught out of rebounding position all game. That’s a sign of fatigue, and lack of focus. In addition, this made his defense on Butch even worse.

Bottom line. I’d like to see these two teams meet in March (or early April!), on a neutral floor, with both teams healthy. I’ll take Pitt and lay 3 points.

Comment by fred 12.17.06 @ 12:56 pm

I don’t know about the sick Aaron Gray argument. He looks pale up close on his best day. He’s just not going to dominate when the competition is anything other than ordinary, and when it’s better than ordinary, he just holds his own. What was that kid from Bradley’s name? He’s never going to guard big guys well on the perimeter, and we shouldn’t expect it. Luckily, not too many guys can take their games out there and Butch had the best game of his career. Gray held his own yesterday, didn’t have a lot of support on the boards and that was a huge factor in the result.

Comment by Rod Brookin 12.17.06 @ 3:00 pm

Gray was clearly very sick yesterday. every time he went to sit down on the bench it looked like he was completely drained.

Comment by kamesh 12.17.06 @ 4:12 pm

Pitt will be fine because unlike Wisconsin and most other teams Pitt has 9 guys that if that at any point in time could play great games and carry Pitt. For example if you key on Tucker for Wisconsin and shut him down they can’t win. With Pitt if you key on Gray then he will kick it out and find the open man that can make the shot. Pitt could have won this game despite all that went against them and that should be some satisfaction out of this loss.

Comment by Rob 12.17.06 @ 4:28 pm

A few minutes or so into the game, when Pitt already had 4 or 5 fouls, I knew we were in trouble, because the refs were calling a “tournament” game. They hit both teams with some ticky-tack fouls all day. I think that’s what got under Dixon’s skin, it forced us to be a little less aggressive (which happens every year at tournament time). So we have to learn how to make adjustments to tournament type calls from refs. Again, this is why scheduling games like this, win or lose, will pay dividends down the line. As for pushing the ball, I too noticed how much quicker our guards looked in transition, but I think Dixon slowed the pace to give Gray a break and to try and slow down their two man scoring machine!

Comment by Frank 12.17.06 @ 4:53 pm

Agree with the assessment that this had the feel of a tournament game, in this case two-fold. Usually there is the most predominant kind, when the refs jam some big sticks up their asses in the locker room and strut out with the vow that “we aren’t going to let those Big East neanderthals pull that thug crap on our watch.” Thus taking us totally out of our game. Or, there is the “Barry Goheen kind” when one anonymous hack has the (only) good game of his life (and be assured that big white dork for Wisky, who resembled the rival in “Bachelor Party,” will never have another game like that again).

Pitt ran into both kinds of tournament game yesterday, and the result was predictable. Nevertheless we reacted very poorly to the adversity (unlike at Buffalo) and reverted back to (again, like tournament time) heaving up undisciplined three’s (and missing) and losing all semblance of rebounding and defensive intensity.

For these reasons Oklahoma State is a must win, or at least a must to play very hard and compete for two entire halves. Lose another like yesterday and these two losses will cast large shadows over the rest of the season, no matter how it progresses until tournament time. The doubts will be there, and will be valid.

Comment by geeman2001 12.17.06 @ 10:24 pm

Two Big East teams (Pitt and Cincinnati) losing to two Big Ten teams (Wisconsin and Ohio State) certainly doesn’t make life any easier for me, dammit. Worse, the Big East’s allegedly best team (us) lost to the Big Ten’s second-best team (Wisconsin). I don’t even want to hear how this is going to get spun around the Big Ten.

Comment by Lee in State College 12.18.06 @ 8:33 am

IMO, we will lose to OK St. We don’t have the talent to be a top 5 team. We are really about a #10 team and a Sweet 16 at best. IMO, we go 13-2 OOC and 12-4 BE to finish 25-6 regular season. We then go 2-1 in BE tourney and 2-1 in NCAAs to finish 29-8 with about a #10 final ranking.

Comment by Pitt72 12.18.06 @ 11:02 am

[…] I have to be honest. The comments from the previous post summed things up. Looking at the overall box score, what jumps out at me with the Pitt stats are the lack of assists. Under 50% of the baskets came with an assist. Pitt usually has around 70% A/FG. Part of that had to do with Pitt not being able to play Fields as much because of early foul issues, but in general Pitt was struggling with making some of the extra passes. […]


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