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December 19, 2014

Know Your Candidate: Doc Holliday

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Hire/Fire — Justin @ 10:34 am

One candidate that has stuck around as a potential head coach is Marshall’s Doc Holliday. While no name can be considered confirmed, the amount of smoke leads me to believe there’s a fire there. I do think the smoke is coming from Holliday’s camp and some of that desire is to stick it to WVU for not hiring him over Bill Stewart after Rich Rodriguez left.

Hates WVU? Check! (Not really, he’s a WVU grad, just roll with it)

Holliday has an impressive resume. Before Holliday arrived at Marshall, the Thundering Herd had only one winning season over the past seven. In year three of his tenure, Holliday led the team to their first conference championship game since 2002. The following year, 2014, they returned and won C-USA. Before Marshall, Holliday was an associate head coach, recruiting coordinator, and position coach for WVU and Florida. Even more impressive is that those positions were TE/FB and Secondary; he coached positions on both sides of the ball. He has also been a WR coach in the past.

Experienced head coach with a conference championship and top 25 ranking? Check!

The most prudent experience other than Marshall is his time in Florida under Urban Meyer. During that time frame, Holliday coached the secondary, which included future first rounder Reggie Nelson. More importantly, Holliday was the recruiting coordinator. Rivals ranked him as one of the 25 best recruiters in all of college football in 2005. You don’t need to look further than the list of players in the NFL from Florida to see how impressive those classes were.

Great recruiter with Florida ties? Check!

Now to my immediate concern: Marshall’s offense. Marshall primarily runs a spread offense. I watched two games of offense, vs. FAU and FIU. Here are my notes:

-Shotgun with 3 WR and 4 WR sets primarily. FB is not seen in base offense nor is a 2 TE set

-Option draw from Cato (QB) is used, but he rarely keeps. Uses legs to buy time to pass, not run

-Not afraid to pound the ball up the gut with Devon Johnson

-TE is used in passing game, more than Pitt in 2014, not just as short dump off either

-Play-calling varies. Sometimes run heavy, sometimes pass heavy. Has a lot of faith in QB Cato with good cause. I wonder if he’d give Voytik as many opportunities

-The FB is never seen. Power plays are used with pulling guards and tackles, but will run power out of 3 and 4 WR sets. Spread ‘em out, hit ‘em up the gut. Conner could do great things with only 6 in the box. If safety comes up the secondary is in trouble deep

-OL is much leaner than Pitt by 20-30 pounds a guy. Not sure if this is by design (spread offense) or necessity due to inability to attract big time lineman to C-USA school. Looking at the roster, height is certainly there with 11 guys who are listed as 6’5” and taller, but eight guys are 283 and under. Pitt’s OL could drop some weight, but there’s no denying they’re big by any standard.

Overall, Holliday could use this offense at Pitt without major personnel changes, unlike Todd Graham. I was concerned at first, but after watching two games it’d be fine. He obviously knows how to use a big back; leading rusher Devon Johnson is listed at 6’1” 243. Johnson had 1636 yards this season. Over his four years, the run:pass ratio looks roughly 50:50, but I think this year would’ve been more pass heavy had Marshall not had large second half leads often. Chad Voytik could thrive in this offense; his skill set is very close to current Marshall QB Rakeem Cato. The concern however is Adam Bertke would be a fish out of water meaning Pitt would be once again lacking QB depth. In addition to Bertke, Jaymar Parrish would become a sparsely used player. Holtz and Orndoff, however, would be fine.

I’m supportive of a Holliday hire with the caveat that he is not a “splash” hire. Numerous sources are reporting that Pitt is looking to make a big name hire and Holliday is not that. He’d be a safe hire with good upside. He has head coach experience, assistant experience for a national champion, and has coached on both sides of the ball as a position coach. I just can’t scratch the feeling that there’s a reason he’s 57 and only been a head coach at a C-USA school.

We’ll see more names come out soon. Dan Mullen has popped up but who knows if it’s just fan conjecture or an actual possibility. Pat Narduzzi, Michigan State’s defensive coordinator, is also rumored to be a candidate but he does not fit the mold of a current or former head coach. Like Holliday, he makes sense on a lot of levels, but isn’t the type of candidate who will “wow” everyone.

 

 





Doc brings a lot to the table.

Going up against Urban, and Franklin, and Holgy… The next guy has to be a recruiter… I’m not saying a used car salesman.. But he needs some charisma, or something that is gonna stick out..

Can’t afford to keep bleeding kids out to PSU and WVU..

Comment by BostonsCommon 12.19.14 @ 11:08 am

Good analysis. I’ve been a holiday fan for a week now. Dare we dream about Mullen? Holiday makes a hell of a consolation prize.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 12.19.14 @ 11:30 am

Happy Holiday

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.19.14 @ 11:36 am

Doc Holliday is a winner, however, he has a reputation for recruiting very questionable athletes in terms of character and academics.

Is this true? I don’t know.

Comment by isnore99 12.19.14 @ 11:37 am

Shall we hire Holiday for the Holidays? Would that give us all good cheer? :>)

Comment by pittman4ever 12.19.14 @ 11:39 am

Ref blocking normally smaller lineman are found in spread offenses because they need to be quicker in zone

Comment by shawn 12.19.14 @ 11:42 am

@Comment by isnore99 12.19.14 @ 11:37 am

When you’re at Marshall… you get whatever kids you can…And even at Florida and WVU, you recruit within the rules that you’re given.. He didn’t set any guidelines, he just brought in the best players that fit them.

I have no doubt he’d do the same at Pitt

… And I implied this the other day too… It’s not like every football player walkin a campus in south Florida is an illiterate gangster… I think Romeus and Clint Session were both pretty decent guys, both received their diploma.

Comment by BostonsCommon 12.19.14 @ 11:45 am

Doc Holliday also coached at NC State as a WR coach–he coached Jericho Cotchery. So he has ACC ties!

Comment by Lou 12.19.14 @ 11:53 am

Still beating this guy’s drum. I’d love to see such an analysis for Willie Fritz. His resume as a HC at four institutions is a 4 stars winning percentage across the board.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.19.14 @ 12:33 pm

I would be disappointed by the hiring of Doc Holliday. What is the difference between hiring a Conference USA head coach and a MAC coach? Another thing against the hire is his age. Between him and Pat Narduzzi I would prefer Narduzzi. Overall though I think Pitt can do much better than either of these options and would be very disappointed if either were selected.

Comment by JohntheListener 12.19.14 @ 12:49 pm

The more I read about Holliday the more I like him. Check out his recruiting class from three years ago. He’s recruiting as good or better than Chryst AT MARSHALL. Imagine what he could do at Pitt.

link to espn.go.com

Comment by Atlanta Panther 12.19.14 @ 1:09 pm

On the surface Holiday appears to be a possibility. His recruiting skills and HC performance merits a serious consideration. But I am uncomfortable with his current offensive scheme. We basically tried that with Fraud and paid a big price for downsizing our offensive line. The current strength of the Pitt team is the big offensive linemen that might not fit Holiday’s preferred style of play.
If Holiday was hired I would expect one exception to the typical buyout clause if he decided to leave, that being WVU would have to pay $10M regardless of time left on his contract to leave for Morganhole.

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 12.19.14 @ 1:56 pm

The other question about Holiday is who he brings to the defensive side. We need help there. At least Narduzzi would help.

Comment by gdodson 12.19.14 @ 2:39 pm

I would hire Holliday only if there is a clause in the contract that he would not allow to accept a position at WVU within 2 years of his resignation.

Right now, he is supposedly on the outs with WVU but that could quickly change if Holgy leaves or gets axed

Comment by wbb 12.19.14 @ 2:40 pm

I’m not saying we should necessarily look for someone who runs more of a spread offense, however, we shouldn’t rule out a good coach just because he favors more of that type of scheme based on the debacle with Fraud Graham.

Graham and Norvell run a very specific flavor of offense that has no flexibility in terms of personnel. At the time Pitt was just a really bad fit for what they do, and we had a serious lack of talent and depth to begin with. I also think Graham was impatient, and like Wannstedt, had no desire or ability to tailor his schemes to the players skillsets. They both just kept banging away with the same things even when it was obvious they were never going to work, or kept good players on the bench. Wanny was much better at wasting talent than figuring out how to use it.

There are any number of excellent coaches who run spread-type offenses that would fit fine with the players and personality at Pitt. In today’s CFB, I think you have to start looking at schemes with mobile QBs and spreading out the field in some manner to be competitive anyway. With the speed and size on defenses now, old school power football is on the way out, except at maybe a few SEC schools who can load up with studs. It’s also much easier to develop a defense that can stop the spread when you run it yourself.

Comment by Steve 12.19.14 @ 2:50 pm

Doc had Seider on staff at Marshall and he is now at WVU – He was a QB at WVU and from South Florida and he recruits well there. If hired I could see Doc get him. He married a girl I went to High School with from PA and he could be a recruiting force for Pitt.

Comment by Upittbasebal 12.19.14 @ 2:58 pm

@gdodson – I have to assume that ANYONE Holiday would bring as DC would be significantly better than House. I don’t know who the DC at Marshall is, but I’m betting they didn’t win all those games this year with a DC who’s “learning on the job”. For that matter, I can’t see any candidate with HC experience not bringing in someone who’s much better than House. Can only get better there IMO.

Comment by Steve 12.19.14 @ 2:59 pm

Steve ,
Some good points I can’t disagree with you on. This coaching hire will not get a 3 year building plan, the next coach must win in 2015. We have a big , strong, and aggressive offensive line with a power back (not speed back), and one hell of a wide receiver to pass the ball to. Pitt loses the back and receiver in 2016 winning is a must in 2015.

Comment by Spindler's Spirit 12.19.14 @ 3:02 pm

This guy might be good, but it’s not ..’going big’.

Backup plan at best. Although strange he is getting interviewed if those sources are accurate.

Could be misdirection. You talk about guys over here, while your negotiating with others over there.

Then when you make the choice, it’s somewhat of surprise and a bigger splash.

Comment by Emel 12.19.14 @ 3:11 pm

Doc is a Florida recruiter and he can motivate his kids. He drives fans nutz with play calling and time management. Very little experience as Head Coach. Make sure this is the guy you want as the face of your program. Pitt job is so much higher profile than Marshall position. Speaking at a Pitt fundraising dinner a lot more challenging than a Ham & Ramps supper in Mingo County, WV.

Comment by GringoEd 12.19.14 @ 3:16 pm

@@@@@@@

Awaken the sleeping giant which is Pitt
FB! Pay the going rate to get a Mullen
or someone like him. PC has done Pitt
a huge favor. Seize the opportunity and
fix the problem. Cincy got Tuberville. Pitt
can do better.

Comment by JR 12.19.14 @ 3:38 pm

Bah humbug to the Holliday hire….

Comment by Jackagain 12.19.14 @ 5:24 pm

Steve, agreed — good coaches use the talent they have on hand while recruiting what they want for later. Drives me nuts when you hear these guys say (and their supporters) ‘give us 2-3 seasons of crap football and then we can implement my plans with my type of guys’. Bullsh#t, take what you got and win with it anyway you can…then of course go out and recruit what you want later.

Coaching is mostly talent evaluation and then putting that talent into places and situations where it will do well…unlike as you aptly pointed out, Wanny…at least on offense. If you have nothing but short, quick guys on your hoop team, you don’t play half court, post up b-ball — sheesh?!

Comment by Matt N. 12.19.14 @ 5:33 pm

I like Holliday’s background for us, and that he won’t cost big money…if he’s a decent person, I say give him a serious look. Meyer coached at Utah (not exactly a glam job) before he got the Florida job; Tressel at Youngstown before he got OSU; Schembechler at Miami of Ohio before he got Michigan — don’t overlook talent at smaller jobs.

Comment by Matt N. 12.19.14 @ 5:38 pm

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