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June 3, 2014

Who Are The Other 24?

Filed under: Basketball,Coaches,Media,Mouse Monopoly — Chas @ 7:43 am

It’s only June and it is coming to this. I’m not proud.

ESPN is doing a list of the top-50 college basketball coaches in recent years. The standards seem very nebulous and hard to pin down.

We’ve been thinking about that question this offseason, looking for the best way to quantify the answer. Luckily, we’ve got ESPN Forecast. Last week, we asked a panel of nearly 100 ESPN writers, editors, broadcasters and researchers to rate college basketball coaches on all aspects of running a program, on a scale of 1-10. (The crucial distinction here is that the prompt was not career-oriented. This isn’t about legacy. It’s all about the present.) We compiled their scores and ranked the names, and now comes the fun part: The big reveal.

Right from the start there are some odd rankings — Scott Drew (Baylor at 50 should be higher based on what he has done) and Bruce Weber (K-State at 40 is ridiculously high) — that seem as based on liking or disliking some coaches as their actual performance.

Tom Crean was completely left off the list which seems ridiculous, but then, no one really seems to like Crean these days.

[And given this is and ESPN project, they have to have start the debate with this and immediately start questioning their own compilation to fan the debate.[

Coach Jamie Dixon did not crack the final 24 that they intend to dole out. Instead he has finished at 25.

No. 25 may be too low for Dixon in the long run — his first eight years were all excellent, and his teams’ relentless rebounding is basically a guarantee that his team will (almost) always be above average — but the ranking is at least understandable when viewed as a measure of short-term performance. Pittsburgh has been decent, but hardly great, the past three seasons. The Panthers are often maddening to boot. Which is probably why the panel scored Dixon out to No. 25: Not because he’s not good, but because everyone has come to expect more.

Which seems fair enough.

That leaves 24 names left.

I mean some are obvious (in no particular order): Mike Kryzyzewski, John Calipari, Tom Izzo, Bill Self, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Kevin Ollie, Greg Marshall, Billy Donovan, Sean Miller, Roy Williams, Bo Ryan, John Beilein, Thad Matta, Tony Bennett and Mark Few are sure to be on the list.

Then you can expect Shaka Smart and Fred Hoiberg.

That’s 18 names. After that, if I had to guess you will see Jay Wright — because there seems to be a large amount of recency (as in this past season) bias. (Archie Miller at #26?)

Now I’m starting to stretch. Steve Fisher at SDSU seems reasonable enough. The media tends to fawn over Tommy Amaker at Harvard.

The only other names I can come up with that might make make the list. Larry Brown at SMU and Greg McDermott at Creighton.

Feel free to correct or suggest other possibilities.

The one thing that jumps out is that there is a reason that the Big 10 and ACC partisans argue over which is the better conference. Just look at the list of top coaches for each conference. Ten of the top-25 just from those two conferences.

Since Mark Gottfried is not listed in the article, I would have to assume him … and how about that guy who was just extended by Clemson? Then there is the flash in the pan hired by USC last year?

None of these guys are even in JD’s company let alne being rated higher than him … and I don’t even think there is any bias here … just shows waht a joke some of the polls are.

Is it possible that Ben Howland will be listed even though he is unemployed?

Comment by wbb 06.03.14 @ 8:39 am

I think Howland will be rated lower than expected. He wanted Marquette and couldn’t get it. He looked at other jobs but didn’t get bites. He apparently had a chance at Oregon State – generally regarded as a bad college coaching job – and rejected it.

His rep has taken a serious hit from the last few years of his UCLA run & especially since SI profiled him. Not a good sign when you’re only available option is a really bad job.

I think Jamie is rated about right. He would have been higher, even with the NCAA flameouts, if he had fielded Top 20 teams the past three years.

Comment by TonyinHouston 06.03.14 @ 9:47 am

Gene Chizik won a national title at Auburn and was fired for incomptetency 2 years later, his successor took a team with a losing record to the title game last year.

If you took a poll like this for CFB nack in 2011, Chizik may have been listed in Top 10 … today he wouldn’t make the list.

Comment by wbb 06.03.14 @ 10:50 am

well, here’s #24

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Comment by wbb 06.03.14 @ 11:49 am

Dan Marino joins NFL lawsuit.

Comment by gc 06.03.14 @ 11:57 am

while we are on this list thing, take a look at #9

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Comment by wbb 06.03.14 @ 12:10 pm

James Conner getting some national pub. Nice.

Comment by Dan 06.03.14 @ 1:34 pm

News Flash…

Verbal-Commit FOUR STAR Linebacker reverses field and heads to Notre Dame.

I feel really bad about this.

Comment by PittofDreams 06.03.14 @ 2:03 pm

Oops… Left out the MOST IMPORTANT part. Josh Barajas of Indiana was originally headed to Happy Valley.

Guess no more “Linebacker U.”

Comment by PittofDreams 06.03.14 @ 2:06 pm

@gc – Dan does his best Emily Litella (link to impression and says “never mind.”

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Comment by Pitt Dad 06.03.14 @ 2:08 pm

I don’t worry or care about what other schools do. A few new commits to Pitt in the next week or two would be welcomed.

Comment by JP 06.03.14 @ 2:25 pm

Vanderbilt snags another QB Pitt was after.
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Kyle Shurmer, a 6-4/220 Pro Style QB, who is also a coaches son committed to Vanderbilt. I know he was on Pitt’s radar.

As we are well into the 1st week in June, I patiently/nervously await the announcement of verbal commitments. Once these kids in the class of 2015 start camp if they have not signed they will generally wait until their season starts.

I know June as typically been a busy signing month for Pitt under Paul Chryst. It better be again, 3 recruits before season starts is not gonna cut it…

Comment by Pap76 06.03.14 @ 6:37 pm

some good news items here

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Comment by wbb 06.03.14 @ 6:38 pm

I meant to say if they have not signed by the time they break for camp they will generally wait until their season ends.

Comment by Pap76 06.03.14 @ 6:40 pm

I do not know how accurate this stuff is.

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Comment by Frank MD 06.03.14 @ 7:34 pm

Marino must have realized if he ever wants to announce again, or get invited to the owner’s box etc…

wbb, nice to hear about the rehab brothers, still like to hear about some strong verbals from some four and five star pass rushers, linebackers and qb’s.

When does summer hoops start, may want to attend. Could they find a more out of the way gym?

Comment by gc 06.04.14 @ 7:30 am

Summer league usually starts in late June. No information on the website yet.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 06.04.14 @ 7:53 am

Thanks BA

Comment by gc 06.04.14 @ 8:28 am

From the article Chas posted……..anyone know of a good bar close to Montour?

This year, admission will still be free while the league upgrades its location to Montour High School’s athletic complex in McKees Rocks, Pa. Games — starting June 23 — are on Mondays and Wednesdays, but the addition of another court at Montour will allow two games to be played at once, at 7 and 8 p.m., respectively.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 06.04.14 @ 9:44 am

Boubecar, there is a really good lounge right down the road from the high school — a mile or so (I think to the east towards the Parkway)

it is in a little shopping area and you can see a little bit of the donwtown area. Can’t remember the name off hand

Comment by wbb 06.04.14 @ 2:25 pm

Boubecar, Rockefeller’s Lounge
1833 McKees Rocks Rd, McKees Rocks, PA

about 1.6 miles from Montour HS, really nice bar area

Comment by wbb 06.04.14 @ 2:42 pm

@wbb and Boubacar, It is vital that Blatherites stay well hydrated during the summer months and I for one appreciate your contribution in this important area. Salute.

Comment by spiritofsection22 06.05.14 @ 9:06 am

Getting proper fluids has always been a priority for me. Thank you, wbb.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 06.05.14 @ 2:10 pm

Kevin Ollie? Did he recruit any of those players he won with?

Comment by Steve h 06.05.14 @ 4:08 pm

If coming from Parkway the Brothers Grimm is 1.5 miles the other way from Montour HS.

Comment by FG 06.06.14 @ 6:44 am

@steve h, I’m not sure he recruited any of them but he sure got them to play well. I am very impressed with Ollie.

Comment by spiritofsection22 06.06.14 @ 8:20 am

@boubacar, I read an article recently that said that a study had shown that good hydration is a mood enhancer. It was referring to water, but personal experience tells me the same is true of scotch.

Comment by spiritofsection22 06.06.14 @ 8:23 am

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