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May 16, 2014

Other Basketball Things

Filed under: Basketball,Coaches,Dixon,Money — Chas @ 7:42 am

So, the ACC is going to experiment with a 30 second shot clock in exhibition games this year.

“Our coaches and ADs both felt it would be an enhancement to the game in today’s world,” Swofford said. “It adds more possessions and potentially would speed up the game.”

NCAA men’s teams have used a 35-second shot clock since the 1993-94 season.

Swofford said league coaches submitted the proposal to the athletic directors during the spring meetings, and the athletic directors embraced the idea. The ACC would give its feedback on the use of the 30-second shot clock to the men’s basketball rules committee.

“That’s where the game is headed,” Pitt coach Jamie Dixon told ESPN’s Andy Katz at the NBA draft combine in Chicago. “We want to be ahead of the game. We want to provide data and see what it’s like.”

Presumably, Coach Dixon is at the NBA draft combine to support Lamar Patterson.

Definitely mixed feelings on the 30 second shot clock experiment. I think it isn’t a bad thing when you talk about helping for a more standardized game. The pros, FIBA and Euro leagues all use a 24 second clock, so moving it closer to that seems like a good step.

On the other hand, it isn’t going to make a change to scoring. If anything, scoring will go down in college. It is not going to encourage teams to run more.

However, NCAA women and international youth teams don’t have the tremendous problem with freedom-of-moment issues that college men do. How does “bumping the cutter” translate into French or Russian or Serbian? I’m betting they have no comparable phrase.

The problem with the 30-second cycle is that it makes it much easier for teams to play sound defense. The greatest issue with any defense, in any possession sport, is sustaining cohesive effort against a prolonged attack. It’s why football teams want pass-rushers; give a great quarterback enough time, eventually he will find an open receiver.

If a basketball team exercises crisp player and ball movement long enough, even the best defense is likely to spring a leak and allow a quality shot attempt. But if that time is limited, the offensive team loses an advantage. And if the defense is allowed to bump players off their proscribed cuts, or to jump in front of penetrating ballhandlers to draw charges, the defense gains another edge.

The assumption is that shortening the shot-clock cycle will make college basketball a faster, more attractive game. It’s not necessarily true. The last time the colleges cut the shot clock, from 45 to 35 in 1993-94, shot attempts only increased by four per game, and shooting percentages fell by nearly a full percentage point, from 45.2 percent to 44.3.

Within four years, as defensive-oriented coaches realized how the shorter clock empowered defenses by requiring players to guard for shorter bursts, scoring had dropped by nearly 10 points per game.

Imagine a Rick Pitino defense fueled by a 30-second shot clock. He puts on a nuisance press to drain seven or eight seconds off a possession before the ball crosses halfcourt, maybe 10 before the point guard can make his initial pass. Now Louisville’s opponent has 15 seconds to get off a quality attempt before the specter of a clock violation forces rushed action at the end of the cycle. And consider that as all this transpires, nobody’s getting a free pass to make a move through the lane or along the baseline, and any drives at the goal will be discouraged by help defenders ducking in to draw charges.

The issue, once again, is freedom of movement. The college game has remained a physical game that favors defense. The attempts this past year by officials had the predictable result. Lots of calls earlier in the year that tapered off steadily into the conference play and NCAA Tournament. And now there is already an attempt to go backwards by going back to the older block/charge rule which further rewards defense.

Anyone who followed the NBA of the mid-90s remembers the low-scoring physical games that saw defense rule first. Shot clock made no difference if players couldn’t get to the basket cleanly. I have no problem with giving it a try, but a shorter shot clock won’t speed tempo or improve the game without cleaning up the other stuff. Whether concurrently or before a real switch on the shot clock.

The other item was USA Today listed the top money makers in coaches from the past NCAA Tournament.

Coach Jamie Dixon was 15th on the list. About where you would expect. The real takeaway after you get past the top-paid and deserving money for coaches like Krzyzewski, Izzo, Donovan, Calipari, Self and Pitino is how job interest from others or just leaving for another job makes the difference. Seeing Steve Alford making over $3.4 million from UCLA. Josh Pastner leverages regular interest to make sure Memphis pays him well. As does Jay Wright at Villanova. Just as Jamie Dixon does. The only other way to get a boost is to take the money from desperate schools — Travis Ford, OK State; Scott Drew, Baylor; Mike Gottfried, NC State all jump out on the list.





Mark Gottfried, NC State. :-)

Comment by maguro 05.16.14 @ 9:43 am

I really don’t like it. I think the 35 clock is perfect. It gives you adequate time to get a good shot and makes the run and gun guys play a little defense. From what I see out there, very few of the teams have the patience to work the ball like Pitt does. The change in the clock will only effect a few teams.

Comment by Justinian 05.16.14 @ 10:55 am

I guess I can live with a 30 sec clock but won’t want it lowered any further

Comment by wbb 05.16.14 @ 11:41 am

Wow, this could really effect JD’s slogball philosophy.

As how many possession did we see that the shot clock got down to less than 3 seconds before a wild, bad, or worse shot than they could have had earlier in the shot clock, was hoisted up.

Anything the NCAA does to minimize slogball would be much appreciated !

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 1:13 pm

Interesting point about playing against teams that full court press.

Since Pitt hardly ever passes over the press, and instead prefers to have to beat the defense twice, we will have even less time after snailing our way past the half court line.

The positive that might come out of this for that is:
JD will finally have to learn how to pass over the full court press rather than snail our way up the court via the dribble. Only to have to again beat the opponents defense in the half court.

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 1:19 pm

JD got the Chesire Cat grin going on in that USA Today pic of him.

Better cut down on his milk & cream. :-)

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 1:43 pm

Interesting to note of the Top 21 highest paid college basketball coaches, not a single one is black.

I’m sure we’ll be hearing from the NAACP shortly.

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 1:47 pm

Someone sent this short 24 sec video to me.

It’s pretty funny !

link to youtube-nocookie.com

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 1:59 pm

EMel – Cuonzo Martin is making over $3 million at Cal, including the buyout paid to Tennessee. And Shaka Smart and Kevin Ollie will both break the bank with their next contract. JT3 wasn’t even on the list?

But more suspiciously, why aren’t there any openly gay NCAA coaches on the list? Although, Jay Wright is quite a snappy dresser. Just sayin.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 05.16.14 @ 2:34 pm

Boubacar, I don’t get where you’re going. Why is it ‘suspicious’ that there are no openly gay coaches on someone’s hire list, when gays represent less than 4% of the population and an even lesser percent of sports fans? It’s not fair to compare that situation to the representation of black coaches. And by the way, Jay Wright is by all accounts a good guy, & married with a family.

Comment by 1618mt 05.16.14 @ 2:56 pm

lol Boubacar.

Resembles Georgie Boy Clooney as well !

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 3:58 pm

Today was to be the day of USC guard Byron Wesley’s visit to Pitt.

But I saw this online:

USC transfer Byron Wesley will not visit Pitt.

link to collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 4:10 pm

Wesley, who averaged 17.8 points, 6.4 rebounds and 2.3 assists per game, is listed as the fourth best available recruit.

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 4:11 pm

Sarcasm. Weak attempt at humor, my boy EMel gets it.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 05.16.14 @ 4:20 pm

I guess I got it since I chuckled at Aw’s remark without giving any serious thought that Wright was a gay. What took me aback was that only 4% of the population was gay; I had no idea what it was but thought it was more.

Comment by wbb 05.16.14 @ 5:48 pm

No news is usually good news except in recruiting.

Comment by Frank MD 05.16.14 @ 6:22 pm

Pens fire the GM today but not the coach ???

The coach did nothing over the last several playoff losses to change up the ineffectual power play, which as most know, the power play and whether or not you take advantage of it, is the determining factor in winning most hockey games.

As I posted before.

2014…1 for 20 on PP vs. Rangers
2013 ..0 for 15 on PP vs. Bruins
2011…1 for 34 on PP vs. TB

2012 Flyers were 12 of 23 on PP

Both should have been canned.

Comment by Emel 05.16.14 @ 6:29 pm

Well, Baseball turned out worse than I thought. 11-18 in ACC Play and 22-29 overall. We aren’t even beating MAC teams. WVU swept, Maryland Swept and ND which has worst record in league is a game away from sweeping us. Imagine Steve Pederson’s Athletic Director cup standing after us getting handled in most sports in the ACC. He has to be ranked near the bottom but all is normal in Oakland. Amazing how winning doesn’t seem to matter in any olympic sports. We should give the wrestling coach a 10x’s his money raise. Baseball has regressed and it is time to realize the facilities and coach are not up to ACC Standards. Sad.

Comment by Upittbaseball 05.16.14 @ 9:04 pm

Brycen Splatling recognized as ACC track athlete of the week.

Comment by alcofan 05.16.14 @ 10:00 pm

I would love if the shot clock got lowered to 30 seconds…JD might be forced to do a little more running and fun basketball!!…I’m all for it!!

Comment by Keith 05.16.14 @ 11:06 pm

Keith, it’s fine if we have the athletes to do so .. problem is that this plays right into the Duke’s and UNC’s style of play. Looked what happened when we Duke’s game last season, the scored >80 pts and gave u a whooping at the Pete

Comment by wbb 05.17.14 @ 7:23 am

Boubacar – good one.

Comment by 1618mt 05.17.14 @ 8:40 am

@boubacar, got it and was rolling!!

Comment by Dan 05.17.14 @ 8:40 am

@Keith, nah, it just means the players will have 5 less seconds to eff around……

the offense will still start at the 10 seconds to go mark.

Comment by Dan 05.17.14 @ 8:41 am

I see a change in the shot clock working to Pitt’s advantage. We aren’t going to be any worse at scoring in 30 seconds than we are at 35, and it could help our defense some.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.17.14 @ 9:58 am

It was just like when last year rules interpretations were supposed to work against us but didn’t. I am just concerned where JD is going to get the rebounds to make things work.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.17.14 @ 11:07 am

They’re counting large on this Haughton transfer sos22.

And Young’s back being 100% and him showing some added toughness.

I’m very concerned with where they’re going to get the points from.

We really needed the USC tranfer, who cancelled his trip to Pitt.

Comment by Emel 05.17.14 @ 2:40 pm

Rangers 7 Canadiens 2 …. maybe everyone was a bit too hard on the Pens. Rangers and especially Lunquist still hot

Comment by wbb 05.17.14 @ 2:57 pm

As the Pens President said it wasn’t just about this year, it was the early flameouts in the playoffs since 2010.

After watching both the Columbus and NY series, I didn’t see much emotional play from the Pens. Which is imo a reflection of the coach. That emotional-less almost robotic play is good for the marathon long regular season.

But you need to turn it up another gear in the playoffs, using emotions or other techniques.

Clearly since 2009, the Pens have lacked it in the p-offs.

Comment by Emel 05.17.14 @ 3:38 pm

Anyone out there like the ponies?looking for a couple horses to hook up with California Chrome to make the trifecta worthwhile.

God, i wish i could have been born earlier. I was 4 months old when Pitt won title, 3 when Bucs won their last series, and 2 when Affirmed won triple crown.

Pretty sure I’ll be in the ground before Pitt football or Buccos win it all again. I hate the Steelers and not a hockey fan, so i guess California Chrome is my hope at some sports joy…

Comment by Pap76 05.17.14 @ 4:32 pm

just be glad you are not a Cleveland fan … in any sport

Comment by wbb 05.17.14 @ 5:42 pm

“Gordon Gee topped the list, earning $6.1 million as the head of Ohio State University. Gee resigned that post last year after making comments about Roman Catholics, the University of Notre Dame and Southeastern Conference schools. He is now president of West Virginia University.”

Another reason to hate on the Hillbillies. Hiring the vastly overpaid boob Gee.

Another fraternity that takes care of it’s own regardless of what they say or do !

link to news.yahoo.com

Comment by Emel 05.18.14 @ 7:03 pm

@ wbb

You were just born in the wrong decade. Cleveland was pretty good in sports in the 1950’s with the Browns and even the Indians were in the WS one or two year. Larry Doby anyone !

Comment by Emel 05.18.14 @ 7:06 pm

I remember when the Browns were great. The first NFL game I ever went to was Browns v Steelers at Forbes Field in early 60s, with Jim Brown at RB.

I remember the Browns winning the title in 64 and being good the rest of the decade and in the early 70s.

I don’t remember the Indians being good but am aware of Lemon, Garcia, Wynn and Feller and the Tribe winning 116 games in 54, but losing in the Series.

Browns were pretty good under Marty S in the 80s but could never win the big one to get into the SB

Comment by wbb 05.18.14 @ 7:12 pm

Right they lost a few times to Green Bay and Dallas in the playoffs in the late 60’s. They had former Steeler QB Bill Nelson. LeRoy Kelly, etc.

They did win the WS in 1948, Doby & Satchel Page were on that team.

And of course they had Bernie Kozar but couldn’t get past Elway and the Broncos in the late 80’s.

And who can forget the Cleveland Barons of the NHL
:-)

Comment by Emel 05.18.14 @ 7:30 pm

The Shero thing was good. Pens should have picked up some old captains that embrace a work ethic. And hold up under pressure. A Ron Francis, Rick Tocchet, Bryan Trottier type.

Those guys always come up big when the big lines struggle in the playoffs, which is inevitable when the game gets defensive in the playoffs. Pretty simple formula.

As far as a 30 second clock, Pitt should look to pressure the ball for a full 90 feet. That will get them prepared for tournament pressure. Secondly, as previously indicated, this may cause Jamie to run an uptempo offense and attract and keep some offensive talent. Just a thought.

Comment by dhuffdaddy 05.18.14 @ 9:05 pm

Numerous times this year Pitt D kept teams from scoring for 30 seconds, then the other team scored (or at the end of a half!). The shorter clock should help Pitt’s D.
Early in the season Pitt’s O started early and scored early, but later in the year did not start the offence until late. Maybe this will cause Pitt to start the O early and they can have more success like they did early in the year.

Comment by Caw Miller 05.19.14 @ 6:23 am

We had too many 5 minute or more droughts in scoring last year, usually late in games. Passing around the perimeter unable to find a good shot, unable to get an offensive board. Maybe increased urgency will help.

Comment by gc 05.19.14 @ 7:02 am

@pap76, you should be glad I just saw your post!!

LOL

I had Cal. Chrome of course, but didn’t pair him up with the right fella’s!!

My dad loved the horses. I enjoy them too, especially the Triple Crown.

To casual of a fan though, to really have any betting input of value.

Did win about $800.00 a few years back on Lemon Drop Kid. If I told you I bet on him for any other reason than I liked the name, I’d be lying!!

LOL

Comment by Dan 05.19.14 @ 7:15 am

I see Rivals ranks us at #58 in recruiting with 3 recruits.

Comment by Frank MD 05.19.14 @ 7:46 am

Reminds of The Honeymooners.

Poloponies!!!

Comment by Dan 05.19.14 @ 9:44 am

Comment by Dan 05.19.14 @ 9:45 am

My earliest recollections of the NFL,as a child, (born 52) was of the Cleveland Browns. Jim Brown was the heart of the team but they also had a very good QB but I can’t remember his name. They were coached by Paul Brown and had hall of fame tackle and kicker Otto Graham. Later I found out they had a guard who ran plays in and out from the bench named Chuck Noll.

The great Indian teams were early 50’s and before my time but in the 60’s they had some great talent that didn’t win anything because they were up against the Yankees in the AL. Pitching was a strength with Sonny Seibert, Sudden Sam McDowell ( who was the inspiration for Sam Mallone on Cheers) ,Luis Tiant, and Jim Mudcat Grant. In the field Rocky Colavito, Luis Aparicio, Tito Francona, and Leon “Big Daddy” Wagner. Wagner was the Willie Stargell of Cleveland. He owned an upscale clothing store in the city. They advertised on Cleveland games ” Buy you rags , from Daddy Wags”.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.19.14 @ 11:02 am

Another week has gone bye without Frankcan. Somebody put out an all points and sites bulletin. Please check in Frankie we miss ya.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.19.14 @ 11:05 am

For those still petitioning for James Conner to be moved to Defense… you might want check out the link below for a REFRESHER COURSE.

If still in doubt, try paying specific attention to how a 240 POUND TAILBACK is able to consistently SET UP Tacklers and make them miss.

And keep in mind that this was the FIRST GAME after Notre Dame where “PANTHER BEAST MODE” was HEALTHY and RESTED.

http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/blog/2014/05/mancrushmonday—may-19-2014.html

Comment by PittofDreams 05.19.14 @ 11:06 am

Now, I can understand the temptation to have Conner play Defense in Passing Situations… especially if there’s a lack of other D-Ends to do the job.

But, barring an incoming Freshman taking Conner’s sport as FEATURED BACK… in my opinion it would be FOOLISH for Chryst and Co. to play Conner both ways more than just a couple of plays a game.

Looking at the Bowl Highlights, it’s pretty evident just how much of a “BEAST” Conner can be when RESTED and HEALTHY.

Comment by PittofDreams 05.19.14 @ 11:14 am

Ask Voytik if Connor should switch to Defense.

Comment by alcofan 05.19.14 @ 11:35 am

Sos22
Otto Graham was the Browns qb in the 50’s. Heck of an athlete & a hall of famer.

Comment by Nick 05.19.14 @ 12:08 pm

We had too many 5 minute or more droughts in scoring last year, usually late in games. Passing around the perimeter unable to find a good shot, unable to get an offensive board. Maybe increased urgency will help.
Comment by gc 05.19.14 @ 7:02 am

Last 5 minutes of a game, is ‘crunch time’.

The opposing team turns up their defense a notch, so our scoring droughts usually coincided with that.

And that is also what is happening in the NCAA’s. Teams play tougher defense then than in the regular season.

PITT has rarely had the offense to overcome this.
Nor do we have any other defenses you can go to, to get a turnover or two, leading to an easier scoring chance.

So in my mind it’s pretty clear why we don’t get very far in the NCAA’s.

1) Teams play much tougher defense than they do in the regular season.
2) We don’t have the offense to overcome that tougher defense which result in these scoring droughts and;
3) We don’t have any other defenses to produce turnovers which result in easier scoring chances.

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 12:21 pm

I think the Browns kicker was Lou Groza for a long time.

Sudden Sam McDowell was a Central Catholic grad.
Colavita was AL Rookie of the Year in the late 60’s I believe, but the Indians were dreadful as Detroit (Denny McClain, 31 wins),Boston(Yaz, Scott & Lonberg) & then the Baltimore Orioles dominated the AL and then the A’s came along.

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 12:29 pm

The Twins with Killebrew & Oliva were also an AL power, but only got to one WS in mid 60’s and lost to Koufax and the Dodgers. After that the Twins could never get by Oriole pitching which was phenomenal. The Yanks sucked after ’64 or so.

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 12:36 pm

Late 60’s the Indians got Ken the Hawk Harrelson from the Red Sox.

I remember the Tribe always being in it ’til the All Star break. Aparicio, Colavito,Francona, and Wagner would be a great offensive team in todays game but there were only 8 teams in the AL and thay all could hit. Cleveland also had good starting pitching that would dominate now a days. Then though they were just another good staff. Baltimore had four 20 game winners on the same staff and the Yankees had Marris , Mantle, Ellie Howard, 3 time MVP Berra, Bobby Richardson a career .309 hitting 2nd baseman, Tom Tresh, Tony Kubek, Clete Boyer. There were All Stars at every position. Guys like Harmon Killebrew, Boog Powell,and Yasztremski were often also rans.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.19.14 @ 12:49 pm

Yea I had the Hawks baseball card.

Wasn’t he a Washington Senator as well ?

Still have a lot of baseball cards, but the market is down.

Here’s an interesting pic from 1909.

link to upload.wikimedia.org

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 12:54 pm

The Hawk always caught the ball one handed which was considered risky in his days as a left fielder. His big year he batted .275 and had 100 ribbys for the Red Sox. Once he got away from the green monster his pull hitting style suffered.

The Washington Senators and the Kansas City Athletics were the cellar dwellers with the White Sox slightly better. Cleveland, Detroit, Boston and Baltimore fought it out behind the Yankees for second. When the Yankees reign finally ended The Orioles, Red Sox, Tigers all had some big years but the Indians weren’t really a factor.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.19.14 @ 1:17 pm

Yep the Yanks were terrible from 1965 to middle, late 70’s when they stole Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson from the A’s. In that time period the Orioles and the A’s were dominant.

Baseball hasn’t been the same since.

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 2:31 pm

Roberto Clemente’s basket catch was a thing of beauty.

Made playing RF look easy. .357 in ’67 with 110 rbi’s.

.352 in ’70
.341 in ’71

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 2:36 pm

Back to Pitt hoops:

One of our 2014 offers decided Pitt wasn’t it :-(

5/18/2014 – 2014 SG Elijah Stewart (6-5, 180,4-star) | Overall Rank: 64 | Position Rank: 12 committed to USC. – Per Link

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 2:44 pm

The next business day after USC transfer Byron Wesley decided not to visit PITT.

So looks like we lost 2 potential players for next year there.

Comment by Emel 05.19.14 @ 2:46 pm

Wesley committed to Gonzaga–not unexpected.

Comment by pitt1972 05.19.14 @ 5:49 pm

Listen, almost everyone here wants to see Conner at full time RB, but none of us is the decision maker.

It is HCPC who brought it up in an interview and played him at DE during a spring practice, and it was Conner himself who tweeted a couple of weeks ago that it was awesome that he was going to play both ways.

Speaking of both ways … who was the Philly LB who was the last player to both offense and defense fulltime?

Comment by wbb 05.19.14 @ 6:40 pm

jus remembered — Chuck Bednarik

Comment by wbb 05.19.14 @ 6:42 pm

Read where Steve Adams was likely to get more minutes in the NBA playoffs. I remember a year ago when some posting here said he wasn’t ready for the NBA, others said he would have to spend a year at a developmental level . He looks to be catching on real quick and when he matures he might be one of the best picks in his draft class.

I wonder if Lamar and Talib will get a shot to make an NBA roster.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.19.14 @ 7:30 pm

ESPN has a preseason football power index. Pitt ranks 41, third in the Coastal behind Miami and North Carolina. Penn State trails at 46 – for what its worth.

link to espn.go.com

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.19.14 @ 7:30 pm

Pitt will have 3,000 more seats at Heinz Field to not fill starting in 2015. The Steelers & the Sports & Exhibition Authority have reached an agreement to add 3,000 seats to the south(open) endzone. No taxpayer money will be used. There will be a $1 surcharge added to Steeler tickets, don’t know if Pitt fans will have to contribute.

Comment by Nick 05.19.14 @ 9:40 pm

In 2015, we get Miami, Notre Dame, and North Carolina at home so that should help. You’re right, Nick, going to be a lot of empty seats for the FCS teams Pederson brings there. Ever attend a Temple game at the old Vet?

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.20.14 @ 12:01 am

Notre Dame will come to Heinz every six years and Penn State is coming twice but we don’t know if there will be any more games. We refuse to play West Virginia.

So we’ll have to depend on competing for the ACC playoff game to fill Heinz. It would be great to have a nine game conference schedule with the possibility of getting Florida State and Clemson at Heinz more often.

Just a thought: We old timers on here probably won’t see it, but the plans to build an on campus stadium will eventually come to fruition after Pederson is out of the way.

A 68,000 seat stadium only half full isn’t going to be a healthy indicator of Pitt football’s strength.

Comment by TonyinHouston 05.20.14 @ 12:23 am

Maybe this Panther Steeler partnership is falling apart. I have read rumors that Steeler sare considering building their own practice facility in the outskirts of town (forgot where)

Meanwhile, the stadium is becoming too large to be practical for Pitt.

Again, while I would love to see Pitt have its own 47,211 seat bowl stadium, I will argue with anyone that Oakand is not feasible nor practical … limited space and hard to get to. But there are surrounding sites that may be.

Comment by wbb 05.20.14 @ 11:43 am

Why are we refusing to play WVU?

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.20.14 @ 11:43 am

I guess they made a decision to stop playing community colleges.

Comment by Emel 05.20.14 @ 3:09 pm

Lord forbid we try that in hoops.

Comment by spiritofsection22 05.20.14 @ 5:48 pm

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