More like the after-affects and details of expansiopocolypse.
How badly did the Big 10 want the Baltimore/DC market for the Big Ten Network Maryland? Enough to sweeten the pot for Maryland by subsidizing their looming jump in travel costs.
Since financial details of the agreement are kept private — the amount of the subsidy is not publicly available. But the amount is in the range of $20 million to $30 million, according to sources familiar with the deal.
Maryland got the subsidy after assessing the travel-cost implications of leaving the Atlantic Coast Conference, its home for 60 years.
The cost of sending its teams halfway across the country — as far away as Lincoln, Neb. (1,201 miles), and Iowa City, Iowa (905 miles) — was projected by the school to approximately double its travel budget.
Wow. Jim Delany really wanted to get back at John Swofford for the Notre Dame arrangement. That is a hell of a deal. It isn’t clear if it will be a lump sum or an annual subsidy.
Maryland was obviously in a position of strength in the negotiations with the Big 10. For as dire as their financials were, they had a safe, stable conference to fall-back to. A lump sum infusion would be really interesting since it could be the sort of thing Maryland would need to help pay its ACC exit fee — pending the court case.
Rutgers, naturally, got squat because they just wanted out of what was left of the Big East. Still, it will be interesting to see if there is any minor resentment from their fanbase over not getting the same deal. Not to mention Penn Staters as College Park is less than 200 miles from State College. Even the Hoopies have to be looking at this news with more than a little annoyance.
It also sets a precedent. Any other team from the ACC that the Big Ten shows interest will expect a similar subsidy. It’s the sort of extra that may actually slow down any efforts by the Big Ten to go all the way to 16. They will have to see how this plays out on their end as well.
The battle for Madison Square Garden could soon be on.
The ACC is considering moving its tournament to New York City, a top league official confirmed Friday.
The ACC Tournament is in Greensboro for this weekend, 2014 and 2015. The ACC was founded in Greensboro in 1953 and its headquarters remain in the city.
Many cities covet the tournament, and the ACC will announce the host cities for at least 2016-2021 this spring. Karl Hicks, the league’s associate commissioner who runs the tournament, told WNCN the conference will discuss the matter at its April meetings and again in May. He said a decision is possible in April but more likely in May.
It’s possible, Hicks said, that the tournament could announce dates through 2023.
Now MSG and Barclays (Brooklyn) did not submit bids to host the ACC Tourney, but the ACC may be rethinking their strategy. The Big East Tournament this week has been a wonderful reminder that there is no better site for a conference tournament. The energy. The size of the city that has all the fan bases there. Compare that to the ACC tournament which had the provincial feel of a host-school site.
Pete Thamel at SI.com laid out exactly why the ACC needs to make every effort to change their plan.
MSG and the ACC would be the perfect marriage of a premiere league and the best postseason hoops venue, a union of power, media muscle and geography. And it would be more important symbolically, as the Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany has visions of moving his conference’s tournament to New York. A proactive move for the ACC could also be a critical defensive move to keep the Big Ten out of Manhattan.
All the ACC is doing by continually moving its tournament is watering down its brand. Forget cameos in Atlanta, Washington D.C. and Tampa and plant a flag in New York. The ACC will become the envy of college basketball. Kids all over the country dream of playing in New York.
The old timers on Tobacco Road would spit out their sweet tea at the mere notion of leaving Greensboro or other southern destinations. The ACC’s nexus of North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest and Duke would go apoplectic. In sentimental terms, Greensboro Coliseum is their Fenway Park. It’s spacious enough for multiple fan bases and located within driving distance of most conference schools. It has been a fine home, but times are changing.
This move goes well beyond Jim Boeheim’s jokes about Denny’s in ACC country. This is a matter of a league positioning itself for the long haul.
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Greensboro is certainly quaint, but this isn’t a time in college sports for quaint. Missouri and Kansas aren’t playing these days. Neither are Syracuse and Georgetown. Or Texas and Texas A&M.
No one knows the high stakes of college sports better than the ACC, as the league already cannibalized the old Big East to the brink of irrelevancy. Why not rob the new Big East of its second biggest asset (behind its Fox TV contract) before it even begins?
Let Delany and the Big Ten settle for Brooklyn or Newark. Bludgeon the Catholic Seven before they even tip off.
Now is the time for the ACC to make a power play for Manhattan.
Nails it.
Finally there’s the Big Priest/Catholic 7/future Big East. They want — heck, expect to keep MSG as their home for the Tournament. And no doubt they will have an opportunity. Yet, it seems as if there is a little bit of infighting already as Georgetown has been a little too controlling.
Recently, John Thompson III joked that he’d love to call the new Big East “the Georgetown league.” But when you look at what’s happened, he may not be joking. There have been formal discussions about the new league’s office being in Washington. The lawyer who is essentially acting as commissioner, Joe Leccese, is a Georgetown graduate. The person who will be spearheading the search for the new commissioner, Liz Boardman of Russell Reynolds, is a former Georgetown field hockey player.
While Georgetown’s fingerprints are obvious, a big test of Georgetown’s power will be whether or not VCU joins the league in the next wave of expansion. While Georgetown hasn’t lobbied against VCU in meetings, television sources say that the Hoyas don’t want VCU in the league. (The prevailing thought being that VCU is too close geographically for Georgetown’s comfort and being a public school doesn’t fit the profile.) Many schools in the Catholic Seven are enamored with VCU, especially because the league’s bottom four teams — Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall and St. John’s — have combined to win just one NCAA tournament game in the last 10 years.
Thompson III’s “Georgetown League” may be closer to a reality than most people realize. And as the “new” Big East sits on the cusp of a promising new future, some are wondering if there’s too much Georgetown in the “Georgetown League.”
One of the things that set the other members off is a story from last month by John Feinstein in the Washington Post that was a puffer on Georgetown’s President John J. DeGioia role in the Big Priest that made him look like the force behind all of it.
The man who has been charged with piecing together the new league is Georgetown President John J. DeGioia, a job handed to him, according to those who know, in large part because of a lack of interest on the part of the presidents of St. John’s, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette and Providence.
The piece also says that DeGioia has already targeted the guy to be commissioner.
Not that any of this is going to derail the conference, but no one should pretend that the new conference is at full cohesiveness.
Speaking of which, local papers for both Butler and Creighton are reporting the respective schools are going to be part of the new conference. In fact they will be announcing it next week. Xavier is still considered a lock, but no news on them yet.
The ACC must get the contract with MSG and should use all of their clout to get it. I mentioned before adding UCONN would help a great deal.
The Big 10 is a midwestern conference and should play in Chicago. Adding Maryland and Rutgers may help if they wish to compete for MSG, but their basketball strength is the Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Indiana.
If the ACC cannot command MSG, I think they should rotate among Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, and yes, Pittsburgh. Major league cities that can accommodate a big party.
The ACC should not lock in any dates without negotiating with MSG. I also think it is all or nothing with MSG, How do you add MSG to your rotation?
Think Big!
I would probably never go to a tourney there, where there is a high chance I would go to MSG. Very high.
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Certainly don’t want it to go to the Big 10. I just wonder if the new Big East will be able to fill the arena.
Of course I like the idea…but I don’t get a vote.
@Jackagain – living in NY, I like having the ACC tournament in MSG but I could live with a permanent DC site. If it were at the Garden, it would be fun to see the Duke and UNC fans – and there are many up here – go head to head with the Cuse fans to see who can be the most obnoxious.
of the football schools will be big east champs
this year.
in fact you could say the ACC beat the big east this year as the champ will come from ACC commits
the catholic 7 lost i wonder when some sports writer comes out with a story pointing that out.
BTW. the Consol Center has not only already applied to host the ACC tourney beginning 2016, they were already rejected. As stated above, it will be an uphill battle to get the tourney our of the Carolinas
He has us as a 6 in the South region playing Boise State in KC for the right to play the winner of Ohio State/Davidson. Top 4 in this bracket are Duke (ugh), Kansas, Ohio State and Marquette (double ugh). Not as bad as going out west but still not helpful.
I wouldn’t put much weight on it anyway. He has Arizona (hi Sean) as a 4 seed and UCLA as a 7.
We’ll find out for real in about 28 hours or so.
Especially with football, a long weekend in the Burgh can be pretty special, and cheap compared to other major cities.
If they ever get smart enough to run the T past the Consol to Oakland, Shadyside etc. it would be unbelievable.
read ACC and football schools the big winners
in last big east tournament.
and yes we should have the tournament in NY but to wait till 2020 is dumb it should be next year or the year after, and if not there then DC.
Let Georgetown host their tourney in DC. Thompson would be happy. Would you expect anything else but sour grapes from the man. His teams used to get away with murder from the refs.
Besides, did he do anything to save the conference like admitting PSU or pushing ND. If PSU was in, Miami, VT and BC probably don’t leave.
The Big East’s basketball only schools are what screwed the conference. They are getting what they deserve.
Unfortunately cash is king, football rules. Providence and the others killed the golden goose.
The place is packed with Cuse fans….i.e., a home game.
Syracuse is in NY, of course they are going to get a good turn out. I am saying it does not give them a competitive advantage.
As it was here in Charlotte for 8 years at the 24,000 seat Charlotte Coliseum . We even had the NCAA Final 4 here one year in the mid 90′s.
However when that was replaced with Time-Warner Arena in downtown Charlotte, the ACC will not bring their Tournament back to Charlotte, since Time-Warner while more posh than the Coliseum, only seats 19,000 and they want an arena much bigger than that. (At least that is the company line) Greensboro Coliseum seats over 23,000.
However for us schools in the BigEast use to playing in NYC at MSG, going to Greensboro and their Coliseum will be akin from moving the Tournament from the Consol Energy Center in Pittsburgh to the War Memorial in Johnston (if that ancient relic is still there).
Plus the bar scene or hotels in Greensboro aren’t exactly on par with NYC. lol
So they must play pretty decent basketball down there. Probably better at the fundamentals there here in the States.
Here’ s another Kiwi making a splash at Fordham.
I say MSG or skip it.
But they both prolly will anyway. Because of their bloodlines. ikr
Maybe a lesser stage would help. Who knows.
Gonzaga has an RPi of #6 (incredible as that seems)
and ranked #1, so they’ll be a 1.
Since Duke had an RPi of #1, and they’re Duke they’ll prolly hold on to a #1.
And since the media has been blubbering all year long how great the Big Joke is, they’re going to have to give them a #1 seed. So like the Dukies, they’ll give IU a #1.
I’ve always been puzzled by the fact that NYC area teams (SJU, SH and Rutgers) aren’t consistently good in BB
as time goes bye and we who are from up north start
are bitching abought games should be in NY were there at now is to close to NC etc etc.
they will be saying why did we ever let thoes
northern schools in to the ACC i can hear them bitching abought us allready.
Then again same for B-10 but seems tough for this league to pull the trigger on it.
Some of our favs (haha) are on it !!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/2013/03/15/the-most-overpaid-college-basketball-coaches-2/
Check out the one with Crean and the lesbo cop. lol
Would love to meet and beat the Hoosiers next week.
I cannot believe how much Buzz Wiliams makes ($2.8m) I always considered him to be underrated .. but no more
Lastly, the Godfather makes $4.8m, much higher than everyone else, but I guess when your AD is is one of the highest paid AD ($1.4), this is what you get
When ACC was synonymous with the now politically incorrect moniker of Tabacco Road, Greensboro made sense. Not anymore.
MSG or “who care. Even Big Ten tourney lacks glamour playing in the Second City.
DC as C7 HQ makes sense. The law firm representing them is DC based and it sure as shit is a better locale than Providence. Don’t feel one bit bad for Providence U or city. They rode the gravy train on the backs of others for years!
More teams I don’t want to play early in the NCAA’s. You can add Maryland if they get in. Their center Lin will eat up our low post players.
I forgot all about Walter Berry, he was a great one, I do remember Mark Jackson and Chris Mullin of course. If you keep all this stuff in your memory banks I am greatly impressed. Ron Rowan, good god other than his friends and family and St. Johns fans who could remember him.
Remember the Steelers Superbowl run, all on the road.
There were plenty of years that Syracuse had outstanding players and crashed and burned at MSG.
The ACC has to make the decision, is it time to take the next step and break tradition. In many ways they already have. MSG is the best of the best. Do they go for the brass ring? I think the players would vote for it, even those from Duke, they do have high IQ’s you know. At least everyone from Duke will tell you so.
After having a 13 point halftime lead, they got destroyed in the last 10 minutes of the game.
Had Pitt put more pressure on them like L-Ville did instead of letting Cuse leisurely bring the ball up the court and burn the clock, who knows Pitt might have won.
Maybe in the next decade or two Coach will implement a press. Maybe not.
I hate him.
Not so great line for Khem in the loss to New Mexico. Wonder where he might transfer next?
HTP!
Was denied membership.
Pitt in a great spot. No one cares about
Maryland and Rutgers.
I live in Central Virginia and the prevailing thinking down here is that VCU is not a candidate because they are not a “like-minded institution”. Richmond is the preferred choice for that reason and its rumored that Georgetown and Villanova are pushing for the Spiders to round out an Eastern Division …. with Butler, Xavier, St. Louis and Creighton rounding out the Western Division. Dayton doesn’t get the nod due to TV overlap with Xavier.
It is surprising that a league which would include Providence and Seton Hall would not even consider Duquesne – at least to get the Pgh TV market.
Duquesne is a victim of it’s own unprecedented incompetence.
Good for them they are in the A10 which will survive nicely.


