December 12, 2012

Quick Links: 12/12/12

Filed under: Conference,Expansiopocolypse — Chas @ 8:36 am

Little crunched on time today. So how about some expaniopocolypse links to pass the time:

Great, detailed piece on how the Maryland to the Big 10 went down.

Confirmation bias is a dangerous thing. I happen to like and agree with this Nate Silver piece on how the Big 10 exapansion may not pay off in the long-term. But I have my own biases, and they definitely color how I look at the whole thing.

Barry Alvarez continues his bluntness in all things related to expansiopocloypse. While not saying Penn State would have really tried to leave for the ACC (never would have happened) he does admit that the Big 10 needed to do something to make them feel better. From the general PSU fan perspective, they have hated their isolation. And weren’t terribly pleased that the Big 10 went west rather than east last time. They also have their conspiracy bit going from the Sandusky scandal. A lot of ranting about how the Big 10 crapped on them as much as the NCAA did.

Fantastic summation by Nunes Magician on the steps to surviving the expansiopocolypse when you actually get out of the conference you hated.

Meanwhile Casual Hoya makes the reasonable argument that eventually expansiopocolypse will implode on itself. He lays out the factors. The only issue is when does it happen. And for the b-ball schools: when it does, will it already be too late for them?

A la carte TV will kill conference networks outside of the Big Ten and SEC cores.

Comment by Chris 12.12.12 @ 8:58 am

Absolutely correct, Chris.

Comment by Chuck Morris 12.12.12 @ 9:25 am

You got it Chris…it’s a bubble that is growing because they figured out a way to get people who don’t care about sports to help pay for it.

At some point like all bubbles it wil burst.

Majority of people don’t realize how they are indirectly paying for all of these sports contracts (tv and players) through their cable company.

My neighbor who has basic cable but never watches ESPN or any sports will roll his eyes when he sees a baseball player make millions a year but doesn’t realize that he is indirectly paying that salary.

I love sports but if they would charge me directly $70 bucks a year just for the Big Ten network I would pass..and if somebody like me isn’t buying it…who will? …No way they would continue to make money on the network on the very few who would.

Comment by milo bloom 12.12.12 @ 9:39 am

I don’t think PSU fans have felt as isolated as everyone thinks. Not the fans I know. They love the Big 10. It certainly did not hurt their schedule, attendance or income.
O’Brien pulled the rabbit from the hat that they needed to jump start them after the Sandusky crap.
Sorry, I hate when people bring up PSU on this blog.

Comment by notrocketscience 12.12.12 @ 9:47 am

Rutgers and UMD aren’t exactly OSU and Michigan. PSU fans will like the easy availability of road tix if nothing else. UMD hoop fans will love beating up on 2 more patsies in hoops. UMD administrators will quote Dr Nick “the most rewarding part was when they paid me my money!”

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 12.12.12 @ 10:34 am

I’m paying for the BTN on my package and there is nothing unfortunately I can do about it. I know when JoePa was enabling a pedophile he mentioned that the Big 10 needed to move East and add some more schools over time. I believe he did feel the isolation. Moreover, I believe there was more than a decent chance of Pedo State leaving for the ACC. Delaney was proactive to ensure stability.

Comment by TX Panther 12.12.12 @ 10:37 am

If there was a chance that Penn State was considering leaving the ACC, I doubt that adding Maryland and Rutgers closed that door. If Penn State was truly interested in leaving for the ACC, I would think that if Swofford ever somehow gets ND to bring their football program in the conference,that Penn State would still be an option. Especially if you guys are right about the cable revenue blowing up at some point.

Comment by Floyd 12.12.12 @ 10:55 am

Are we even sure we want PSU in the ACC? I’m not sure I do.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 12.12.12 @ 11:35 am

I agree with what has been said about a la carte TV.

My other thought is if/when other colleges will ramp up the piecemealing their sports out to different conferences to get the biggest bang for the buck. ND has essentially done this for years. I could see some Big 10 colleges wanting to get their basketball program in the ACC while keeping football in the Big 10. I liken it to how corporations will spin off business units into subsidiaries to maximize the parent company’s position.

Comment by Yeti 12.12.12 @ 11:50 am

It is a crying shame what happened at pedo state, but I bet all will be forgotten soon. The attention span of the average American is about 48 hours. If they haven’t already the arrogant PSU football fan will be talking shit real soon. JoePa was a scum bag!

Comment by oklahomeboy 12.12.12 @ 11:58 am

@ oklahomeboy, well, if and when,”the arrogant PSU football fan will be talking shit real soon” does transpire, then it is our assigned duty, as Pitt faithful, to remind them, right quick, that the first “shit” they should be “talkin” about is that which remains as residue on the end of Sandusky’s privat parts. THAT should shut them up, at least for a little while.

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.12.12 @ 2:20 pm

Don’t know how soon or even if A la carte TV is going to become available/viable.

This article from Forbes Mag suggests, not anytime soon. As the more popular channels insist on bundling.

link to

Comment by Emel 12.12.12 @ 2:28 pm

Exactly Doc, lol

That’s what rivals are for. Always there with the needle…..

I was going to say, always there with the needle poking & probing. But I didn’t want to get anyone excited in Creepy Valley or those that troll our blog. lol

Comment by Emel 12.12.12 @ 2:33 pm

I find it quite ironic that the ACC finds itself in a similar position with ND as the BE did.

Albeit with the caveat of ND playing 5 ACC teams per season. I know Swofford was competing with the Big 12 for ND, but I’m hoping he got some other commitment from the Domers. Although you think he would have announced that to solidify the conf.

He did manage to get all the ACC Presidents to sign an agreement of solidarity recently.

Hopefully he had the temerity to have them sign it in blood. 🙂

Comment by Emel 12.12.12 @ 2:41 pm

So, we want to make sure the Sandusky affair is not soon forgotten? How’s this:We’ll dedicate each Pitt/PSU game played in Pittsburgh to victims of pedophiles across America. Not just the kids who were victimized in Happy Valley, that would be mean spirited, but all victims across the nation. We could have students collect donations outside the gates at Heinz Field with the proceeds going to a victims’ fund. I know the Nitters would be generous contributors. We’d hand out special colored T shirts to all in attendance. I’m thinking yellow with the PSU logo on the front with “Peds are Criminals”, and on the back we’d have the Pitt logo and “Enablers are too”. Players would maybe wear a commemorative patch. I was thinking “JS” with a circle/slash, but that may be a bit over the top. Campus organizations could compete in a banner contest with the best dozen or so anti-pedophilia posters being paraded around the track at halftime. Like the old bed sheet banners that were popular in the 60’s. I’m sure the Pitt Band can come up with an appropriate halftime performance to commemorate the occasion.

When the PSU faithful see what Pitt is doing I am sure they will want to stage similar events at Beaver Stadium because we all know how they despise pedophiles. And they’ll be inspired to extend the series indefinitely for the benefit of abused kids everywhere.

Comment by Dinosaur 71 12.12.12 @ 3:19 pm

You’re all heart Dinosaur!! Always thinking of others!! Good for you!! LMAO!

Comment by Dan 12.12.12 @ 3:47 pm

It just seemed like a win-win to me.

Comment by Dinosaur 71 12.12.12 @ 3:52 pm

Great idea Dinosaur!
Turning lemons into lemonade so to speak! Most of all it’s an “in your face” moment to all the pond skum at PSU.

Comment by Dan 72 12.12.12 @ 4:29 pm

Too funny Dinosaur…

Comment by Jackagain 12.12.12 @ 4:46 pm

lmao Dino

I have an idea, the fronts of the T-shirt with Ped State’s logo could be colored in either black & white vertical stripes or jumpsuit Orange. Kinda of a nice touch, don’t ya think.

While the backs of the T’s could be BLue or Gold or some combination thereof. Maybe with Pitt script, as a commemorative to the way things were when JS coached and was out there recruiting in people’s homes (yikes !)

The helmet or uniform patch could be the 2nd Mile logo, cause we don’t want to forget them and all the unfortunate kids who got recruited to go there.

Maybe it could be the start of a National Day or something. Say……Pedophile Awareness Day

Comment by Emel 12.12.12 @ 5:26 pm

I read the piece on Maryland the Big Ten. That’s what you get when you hire a university president with no ties to the school, the region or the conference. History and tradition or even the feelings of the alumni, fans, and students were not considered in the making of the decision. I came down to just the lure the biggest pay-off. In that regard, it purely a business, not an institution of higher learning.

Comment by Justinian 12.12.12 @ 5:41 pm

I tend to agree with that last link…a business model based on making people pay for something they don’t really want isn’t likely to prove all that durable.

I also think it’s going to prove to be a big mistake for conferences like the Big Ten to just add teams just based on tv sets and market sizes. Adding teams like Rutgers and Maryland just further dilutes what’s already a devalued brand (Big Ten football). Joining the Big Ten is not going to make Rutgers into Ohio State. In the end, all it’s going to do is decrease the percentage of games on Penn State’s schedule that their fans actually look forward to watching. Basically, they’re locking in a mediocre opponent long term. The long term results will likely be more apathy on the part of both Rutgers and PSU fans.

Comment by Jeff 12.12.12 @ 5:43 pm

About Ala Carte’ TV, if it every happens, I will make absolutely sure the Big Ten and Penn State sports WON”T be on my TV package. However, I will watch Penn State when they play Pitt!

Comment by Justinian 12.12.12 @ 5:48 pm

Things that confuse me about Pitt and ups : If joepud’s all – sports conference took shape how long would it be when they jumped ship for the B-overated ??? Pitt fans went crazy [rightfully so] against ups since the Sandusky story broke but can’t wait to play them. Is an extra 15-20 K fans worth it??? That and all the BS joepud pulled on Pitt all these years. After that tragic story unfolded I would want no part of that school. This just makes no sense.

Comment by joel 12.12.12 @ 6:42 pm

The funny thing about the Alvarez comments that they feared that Penn State might leave. The two teams Joe PA suggested that they add were Pitt or Syracuse. I think Penn State does miss playing the other eastern teams. They remember when they were the big fish in the pond. In the Big Ten it’s Ohio State and Michigan’s league. After them it’s Wisconsin. So they 2nd tier along with Michigan State and Iowa.

Comment by Justinian 12.12.12 @ 7:08 pm


Don’t think the Creepy Valley Zombies are going to get any more apathetic if the Child Molestation of Uncle Jerry and Uncle Joe didn’t make them that by now.

Pathetic yes, apathetic no.

Just clearing things up.

P.S. wow don’t know if I can keep up this hatred till 2016, but I’ll give it a whirl.

Comment by Emel 12.12.12 @ 7:15 pm

I like the new Blonde Bimbo SnorgTee’s girl btw.

Must be the glasses. haha

Comment by Emel 12.12.12 @ 7:16 pm

@ Dinosaur, And I thought I was the worst sarcastic son of a bitch on this blog! I’m not worthy, I’m not worthy, LOL!

Comment by Dr. Tom 12.12.12 @ 7:17 pm


file Dino’s post in your tickler file, a create a post around it maybe 6 weeks before the Pedo State game. There needs to be lead time to get the t-shirts printed (just right) and get the Student Section “on board”.

Comment by CompLit 12.12.12 @ 7:45 pm

PS.. The Pitt Band only needs 3 weeks of lead time as they are already (for Dr. Tom) nasty sons and daughters of bitches!

Comment by CompLit 12.12.12 @ 7:47 pm

Did that come across as sarcastic? Just trying to be helpful.

Comment by Dinosaur 71 12.12.12 @ 7:48 pm

@ Justinian — Given the $$ B1G is offering Maryland and Rutgers, do you think Pitt would turn down an offer from B1G if they received an offer to join B1G? It’s about $$, always.

B1G is looking to lockup major Eastern markets. The ACC should have been more aggressive in keeping and inviting major Eastern football schools. I worry that GA Tech will go to B1G to lockup Atlanta. The only thing that may keep Tech from getting an invite is that Atlanta is Georgia and SEC country.

Comment by MariettaMike 12.12.12 @ 7:50 pm

Nothing will protect the ACC other than a grant of rights. If the Big Ten invites any school in the ACC they will say yes. Too much money.

Comment by Chris 12.12.12 @ 9:37 pm

MariettaMike,Yes,Pitt would have jumped at an offer from the Big Ten, if it had come earlier. However, after signing on to the ACC,I don’t think they would leave. The ACC offers tham a lot of what they want, and I think it offers them a better league for the basketball program where they can still recruit in eastern cities. I also believe the ACC, although better than the Big East, would still be league where the football team has a better opportunity to be sucessful. The most compelling reason they wouldn’t leave is 50 million dollar penalty, which Pitt would never want to pay.

Comment by Justinian 12.12.12 @ 10:05 pm

Barry Alvarez the AD of wisconsin will not hire
the big name head coach that he thinks he will.
reason 1 he wants to tell the coach how to coach and what offence to run.
reason 2 he has said he wont pay top dollar for
asst coachs.

No big time coach will put up with that today
maybe 10 years ago but not now.

I think he might get a head coach from a small
school or a DC or a OC.

But not a big time head coach.
i think some facts of the football world of today have passed Alvarez bye
look at tenn 3 coachs turned them down before one said yes wisconsin may have the same problem if they set there sights to high.

i think there next coach comes from a mac school
or some smaller conference.
unless he goes for a DC orOC but he said he wants a head coach.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.12.12 @ 10:36 pm

info for you 4 star RB greg garmon is transfering
from iowa i wonder if PITT will have a chance to get him he is from pa he was a freshmen last year.

Comment by FRANKCAN 12.12.12 @ 11:43 pm

Imagine a backfield of Garmon, Shell and Clement. Savage, Chapman and Voytik on the QB side is already looking good. And then there is a possibility of Foster and Boyd as wide receivers and some stud linemen. This offense would be the best Pitt has seen in years. Would be an exciting thing to watch. Screw that high octane bullshit.

Comment by TX Panther 12.13.12 @ 6:42 am

FRANKCAN and TX Panther,

Garmon would be interesting. Reeeeally interesting.

Hell of a football talent and could definitely do some damage for us at RB, but he really needs to keep his head on straight. He seemed to struggle off the field with the move away from home, so maybe getting back closer to Erie would be good for him. Plus, he was high school teammates with James Connor.

You know, I was initially thrilled with the Graham hire because I thought it was a move towards a spread-based offense, which seemed to be a step towards the modern era of college football. But I’m a little too much of a traditionalist. I’m too much of a believer in the value of having a couple of good RBs behind a giant offensive line, and then building an aggressive passing attack around the fact that you can always to hand the ball to those RBs and just beat another team into submission.

After watching Chryst’s offense operate this year, the idea of an offensive backfield showcasing the likes of Shell, Connor (if he moves to RB like he suggested he may) and possibly Garmon (if he’s interested), all with Giubilato or Dunham leading the way…well, this just absolutely warms my football traditionalist heart.

Comment by Stoosh 12.13.12 @ 9:15 am

Dokish said today that Pitt has no interest in Garmon.

Comment by Jackagain 12.13.12 @ 4:10 pm

Delaney blew it when he did not invite Pitt. The only thin that interests Delaney is where else can he stick the Big 10 Network.

UM sports are bad in part because the state of Maryland does not have good high school sports, outside of boys basketball and lacrosse. Given the long tradition of pro football in Baltimore, a metro area with a similar population in numbers to Pittsburgh, one would think that high school football would be better there than it is. I think Aliquippa and or Clairton would wipe up the field with most Maryland HS football teams.

UM will regret the move. I guarantee it. They will travel, not to Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, but to Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Nebraska. Watch their costs for travel skyrocket.

Comment by Penguins Fan 12.13.12 @ 5:33 pm

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