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June 6, 2012

Hey, I gave you nearly a week without an expansiopocolypse post.

Those who believe that FSU and Clemson/Miami/Georgia Tech/[random other team] are definitely going to the Big 12 aren’t phased by the sudden quiet of expansiopocolypse. This is merely the calm before all hell breaks loose by the end of July/beginning of August when the moves happen. That everyone is getting their ducks in a row. Things are being put in place. No one wants a lawsuit from the ACC against the Big 12 for tortious interference. That the other reason for the wait is finalizing the details of the TV deals is still ongoing.

Those don’t believe it is happening are pointing to the quiet as evidence that the whole thing was overblown. A creation of ignorance, simmering resentments and loud-mouthed boosters and trustees. That the abrupt silence after the Big 12 meetings have been dissected show that everyone is repositioning and rethinking things.

I have no idea. My working theory is that exapnsiopocolypse and the ACC/Big 12 isn’t going away, but it is a long-game. Not to be resolved this summer or even next. I, personally, believe the Big 12 is going to wait a year or two before doing anything. I actually believe part of what the Big 12 is saying, at least as far as catching their breath, simply because it makes the most sense. Their conference has radically changed in the last couple of years. The voting blocks, personalities, interests — and a new commissioner all need to see where things stand. That all suggests needing at least a year to work things out with one another. I also think there is a strong enough infatuation in the conference (beyond simply Texas) over the possibilities of Notre Dame that they will wait and see how that goes, especially with the coming playoffs.

 

One of the things being bandied about to preserve the ACC is changing how the bowl revenue is distributed. Like all of the other BCS conferences the bowl money is pooled. Each bowl team gets a portion for their bowl travel expenses and the rest is distributed equally. The idea being that schools that get the bigger bowl bids — and bigger payouts — get to keep a larger cut.

If this plan had been in effect since the ACC went to 11 in 2004, the biggest beneficiary would have been Virginia Tech. They’ve been to more BCS bowls and top-tier ones. The total payout for the bowls they have attended in that time frame: $83.4 million. A distant second is Clemson at $33.7 million.

Not sure about the viability of such a plan, really. To get something like that to pass, the ACC might also have to go to unequal distribution of NCAA basketball tournament money as well. An idea that might further Balkanize the ACC, and hurt football even more than it helps keep the conference intact for the short term..

Teams like Duke and Wake Forest (based on their overall size and history) might make a rational economic decision that the costs to even try to be competitive in football — coaching and support staff salaries, recruiting budget, equipment, expenses for stadium and football practice fields and facilities — are not worth the value of trying to be or stay competitive. That their money would be better spent on the basketball side, where overall costs are lower and they have greater history and support. Meaning that the teams at the bottom of the ACC get even worse, and drag down the conference reputation in football further. Yes, there is an easy Duke football joke to make, but at least Duke is making an actual effort at the moment. Would other schools — like, say BC — begin to make a similar valuation?

One aspect from the Big 12 meeting, that further drove FSU and Clemson fans into rage and lust. The announcement that the Big 12 distributed $19 million to each member for the past year. Never mind that it included $40 million in exit fees from Texas A&M and Mizzou (less $10 million for their loan to WVU), along with bowl money and NCAA Tournament money. And the money for that year was only split 8-ways. Not to mention that the newest member — WVU won’t be receiving a full cut until 2016.

Final ACC item. I related before the Clemson grudge against

A couple pieces from ChuckOliver.net writers deserve mention. This one from Chadd Scott lists several of the storylines that have helped fuel the ACC expansiopocolypse — even when they weren’t true or exaggerated grossly. This one from Taylor King, takes aim at Clemson fans who are convinced that the ACC holds them back, and has always held them back.

All of Clemson’s lack of success falls on its own shoulders.  I’ve read on message boards that belonging to the ACC has hurt Clemson in recruiting.  Clemson has had a recent string of top 20 recruiting classes.   Clemson generally out recruits every other ACC school but Florida State and Miami.  But even while having ridiculously talented players like CJ Spiller, James Davis, Gaines Adams, Charlie Whitehurst, Da’Quan Bowers, and Jacoby Ford, the Tigers have managed one ACC Championship since divisional play began and only one other appearance in the game.  Also note that Clemson is near two of the top states in the country for college prospects, Georgia and Florida, but has not capitalized on recruiting in these areas as much as they should have.  Both states offer hundreds of top notch players and Dabo Swinney and his staff have done a fair job getting players in those states, they have not capitalized on its proximity to such talent rich areas.

The only thing uncomfortable about this article is if you are a Pitt fan who is convinced that the Big East is the reason for Pitt’s football struggles. Or know someone who believes it. A lot of the same arguments apply to Pitt. In the time since the ACC first raided the Big East, Pitt has been tops or near the tops in recruiting within the Big East. Yet, little to show for it. The facilities are top notch. Still fertile recruiting around the school (even if Western PA isn’t what it once was) and bordering the state.

Anyone convinced that Pitt will immediately rise because they will be in the ACC is kidding themselves. Pitt will have a chance to contend in the ACC, in time, thanks to a boost in revenue to increase recruiting budgets and pay coaches. And if Paul Chryst is the coach we believe/hope he is. But not because Pitt will be vastly more attractive playing in the ACC vs. the Big East.

Final item. Remember the grudge Clemson still holds against ACC Commissioner Swofford for his actions 30+ years ago. The actions that forever paint him as hating Clemson and looking to help his alma mater and old employer, UNC? The fact that they are looking for equal justice now that UNC faces its own punishment in their football scandal?

In a related matter, North Carolina State folks are having their own moment of wanting/waiting for equal justice. Only this time with the University of North Carolina Board of Governors. The oversight body for the North Carolina university system under which UNC and NC St. are governed.

In January 1989, news broke about the looming publication of a book called “Personal Fouls” that promised to chronicle wrongdoing in Jim Valvano’s basketball program at N.C. State. The allegations on the book jacket hit like a bombshell.

Within days, the NCAA was looking into it. Within weeks, UNC system President C.D. Spangler Jr. launched what he termed “an impartial and complete investigation.”

A UNC system panel known as the Poole Commission brought in State Bureau of Investigation agents, interviewed 160 people and reviewed hundreds of documents during a six-month period. The probe set the stage for the resignation of NCSU’s chancellor, Bruce Poulton, and the departure of Valvano as athletics director. Valvano later stepped down as coach.

The allegations in the book turned out to be mostly untrue. The probe did uncover other problems, but the probe was much more reactionary and did a lot of damage to NC State basketball.

Now, 23 years later, UNC has their football scandal, and what appears to be major academic fraud in an entire department of the school itself. The investigations continue, but the Board of Governors is staying out of this.  You can imagine how that sits with NC St. fans and alum who have always felt like they are treated like the smaller, little brother in the UNC system.

That hands-off approach stings the Wolfpack faithful, who see a double standard. Grover Gore Sr., an attorney from Banner Elk and a former NCSU trustee, said system leaders are “sticking their heads in the sand.”

“It’s absolutely incredible that the president or Board of Governors have made no attempt to even investigate,” said Gore, who also served on the board of the system when it consisted of fewer campuses. “It clearly, clearly shows and proves that the president of the system and the Board of Governors, they have two rules — one rule for UNC-Chapel Hill, and another rule for N.C. State and everybody else.”

The fact that both UNC and NC St. are overseen by the same body, though, is also why expansiopocolypse scenarios where NC State or UNC being poached by the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 are rather unrealistic. They are definitely a package deal. Neither would allow the other to leave them behind.





Do us another favor and give us one more week w/o a post on this crap.

I know its a slow news time, but this stuff has been beaten like a horse.

Ive never seen a blog dedicate so much time to a matter that really has no immediate affect on Pitt; FSU and Clemson is not going anywhere.

The ACC will be exactly the same in 2016 that is is in June 2012.

GET OVER IT.

Comment by Yup 06.06.12 @ 1:39 pm

I LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS DO ON HERE, BUT THIS CRAP IS SO FRIGGIN IRRELEVANT.

How about a Post on Pitt’s Ulimate Frisbee Nat’l Title…?

(kidding)

Comment by Yup 06.06.12 @ 1:43 pm

When Clemson was first founded, it was first called Clem. After a while, one of the founders had a suggestion. He wanted to change the name of the school to to represent 3 of their core values. He suggested to add the son at the end to stand for those values of chivalry, honor, and knowledge.

Comment by Bones 06.06.12 @ 1:59 pm

FSU and Clemson ARE not going anywhere. If you are going to hammer Chas please use proper English.

Comment by steve 06.06.12 @ 2:00 pm

A football recruit here and there would spice things up, Yup.

But I’m thinking, with the stench on all these programs how has Pitt been able to stay squeaky clean?

Ah, by losing as much as winning.

Comment by steve1 06.06.12 @ 2:12 pm

after some thought i think you are right no team is leaveing the ACC chas.
chas if you want to write abought some thing how abought this the thought bye some in the know is that the big east will get only 10 million in there new tv deal that they fucked up when they did not take the 13 million that was offered last time. now that is a real kick in the ass for them is it not.

Comment by Frankcan 06.06.12 @ 2:16 pm

I guess the alternative is no new postings since there is not much else to write about these days.

While there is really no news on expansion, I found the info about how the ACC and State of North Carolina reacted to previous improprieties committed by Clemson and NC St to be enlightenig, and will be interested to see what will happen, if anything, to UNC.

Comment by wbb 06.06.12 @ 2:56 pm

Sorry to ‘Get In The Left Lane and Hammer Down’ on Chas, but yeesh, I check your site daily and it pains me to see another Expansion article.

I apologize though, you guys do great work and your efforts should be noted and recognized.

Comment by Yup 06.06.12 @ 3:12 pm

Repeat after me, “there will be no Expansiopocolypse.” It is somewhat tiring to read rehash after rehash after rehash of RUMORS which are unsubstantiated. This issue is as maddening as the recruiting star wars….

Comment by Kenny 06.06.12 @ 3:13 pm

In my opinion, nothing is going to happen until the playoff situation is resolved. Then you will either see pretty much status quo, or the 4 big? conferences going to sixteen schools and deciding who goes where.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 06.06.12 @ 3:39 pm

All is quiet on the Expansiopocolypse front because FSU is too busy caring about their baseball team doing well in the post season. Once that is over, they will need something else to talk about and it will all begin again.

Comment by Bryan 06.06.12 @ 3:49 pm

I do believe there will be another shake-up in the conferences in 2-3 years. VT is itching to go to the SEC and if anyone leaves the ACC I feel they will bolt as well.

Comment by pendlum 06.06.12 @ 3:49 pm

We are all ready to break the huddle & hit someone. Can’t wait for training camp & a successful 2012 season. Awesome posts Chas! Thanks. Hail to PITT

Comment by DC33 06.06.12 @ 4:08 pm

Well QB Tim Boyle committed to BC.

Comment by markp 06.06.12 @ 5:03 pm

Actually, the article is quite appropriate, as it is the biggest news story right now in college football.

Right, there isn’t much news, as it’s June. No college football, no college basketball.

Chas just spoke about the lawsuit, just spoke about Trey Ziegler becoming eligible.

What else do you want to talk about? How the 3rd team fullback is doing with his summer classes??

What receivers are we recruiting for 2017???

How will Stven Adams do against Alcorn St.??

AND……….if he wrote nothing for a couple of weeks, people would say, “ah, that Panther Blather, they’re so-so, they only put something on there every once in awhile”.

Nope, don’t know Chas, don’t get paid by him.

This is what is in the news right now. And, it is the lull in the story, when the BCS meetings happen in a few days or a week, it’s gonna take off again.

Thankfully Chas and Reed write something 3 or 4 times a week, instead of some of the places where they write an article, and you never see them again for 2 or 3 weeks, and wonder if they’re still operating.

Actually, I find it quite amazing that there are as many articles on this site as there are.

P.S. Every college blog I’ve seen the past few weeks has had nothing but expansion talk also. Maybe more so on here, and ACC blogs, because it will effect these schools more.

Comment by Dan 06.06.12 @ 5:48 pm

Dan, howsabout how the Rangers would’ve fared against the Kings?

My guess: Awfully

Comment by steve1 06.06.12 @ 6:28 pm

If the Pens had gotten by their mental block against the Flyers – they’d have won the whole thing!

Comment by markp 06.06.12 @ 7:38 pm

What do you guys think of this?

link to blog.newsok.com

Comment by Timmeh 06.06.12 @ 7:46 pm

Does anybody know when camp starts, exactly?

Comment by Pk 06.06.12 @ 8:31 pm

IMHO Pitt is vastly more attractive playing in the ACC than they are playing in the BE.

Comment by HbgFrank 06.06.12 @ 8:42 pm

Gotta agree with dan. This blog helps me feel connected to my alma mater. Keep doing what you’re doing. Btw, I benefit greatly from the move to the ACC because I live about 20 minutes from Duke, UNC, and State. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by panther94 06.06.12 @ 9:28 pm

Living in MD I have read where MD has expressed unhappyness about ACC management. But MD has gotten the ACC hoops tournament to DC occassionally. I think with Cuse and BC (maybe UCONN comming) that gives more votes in ACC matters (plus MD, VA an VT). It should loosen the NC hold. Swolford knows this I am sure.

Comment by Frank 06.06.12 @ 9:48 pm

These articles are spot on. WE ARE in the ACC NOW, why wouldn’t a PITT blog have articles about our future conference and possible changes that effect that conf. be relevant. DUH (am I missing something here)

If you don’t want to read them, DON’T, keep your inane comments to yourself. Chas providing links to all these other news sources is great and saves ALL of us time in either finding them or NOT seeing them at all. Yuppers.

Wtf, you want more articles about Sir Tino ?
Pleaseeeeeeee.

Comment by Emel 06.06.12 @ 11:48 pm

can’t help but to add more to expansion…
but
if the acc could get both psu and nd to join the onference, i assume they would be in separate divisions with cross-over for football. we’d go to four pod structure within each division.
how might you like it to shake down?
it’s an open thread and i think academics matters to a lot of “power” schools.
what do you think?

Comment by pittkeith 06.06.12 @ 11:52 pm

The more I read, the more these FSU clowns seem like whiners. The ACC championship game was in their backyard in Jacksonville, until it was moved to Charlotte last year and was a sellout and big success for the first time.

FSU’s problems are self-inflicted, mainly letting Bowden do at FSU what Paterno did at Ped State, minus Sandusky and child molestation. Which was stay the fuck to long !

Clemson, is a long standing joke down here( I live in the Carolinas), nobody even takes them seriously. If they want to leave, let em. However I don’t think anyway really wants them except as a stable mate. They wouldn’t even have that National Championship in 1980 if PITT would have played them that year. We destroyed them the year before in the Gator Bowl. Would have destroyed them in 1980 as well.

Hail to Pitt !
Veritas et Virtus

Comment by Emel 06.06.12 @ 11:57 pm

I like it pittkeith

but why not wish for Texas & ND. F8ck Ped State, who’s want to be in conference that has a school that condones child molestation. And then covers it up for over 10 years ! Disgusting isn’t it !

No thanks I think Ohio State (maurice clarett and the tattoo drug dealer players, Pryor, etc.) & Ped State deserve each other.

Comment by Emel 06.07.12 @ 12:06 am

I love the expansiopolypse posts myself

but maybe..let’s get speculative. Maybe a post on how our schedule will look in 2013 and beyond assuming we can leave for the ACC by then?

Comment by Lou Gagliardi 06.07.12 @ 1:29 am

This has been bugging me: Sandusky-related news is most likely to appear in newspapers’ sports sections.

C’mon

Comment by steve1 06.07.12 @ 7:12 am

Expansiopocolypse is great stuff…I’d take a post a day. Keep it up Chas!! The insight into the fan bases is very helpful. Thanks for everything.

Comment by FG 06.07.12 @ 8:21 am

85 schollies will keep parity on the field. if this changes its over.

Comment by paul shannon 06.07.12 @ 8:42 am

I disagree with fellow bloggers who recommend cease and desist in expansion coverage. No less than NCAA President Mark Emmert has said that once a playoff format is decided upon, the gates will open for more conference switching. Much of the expansion chatter has forebode real change with Pitt and Syracuse’s midnight move being the exception. What no one is writing about is how the SEC and Big Ten have used the playoff format to grab even more power and more money (along with the newly emboldened Big 12) out of the system to the exclusion of the ACC and Big East.

Comment by TonyinHouston 06.07.12 @ 8:52 am

@TIMMEH. Sounds about right. Most of the schools schedule a couple BCS schools and a couple cupcakes. Our two BCS are ND and Va. Tech, not bad at all.

Can’t even be mad really, I myself wish we’d schedule 4 BCS for selfish reasons. Facts are, all of the BCS teams, need a couple cupcakes for home games to make the budgets. If you get into too many home and homes, you’d have years where you only have 5 home games. Ain’t gonna work.

I also noticed, Ohio State has 8 home games this year, how they worked that out???

Comment by Dan 06.07.12 @ 9:25 am

@Steve1. Not sure. Kings came out of nowhere. Had “D” all year, but found some “O” and Quick, unbelievable!!

Comment by Dan 06.07.12 @ 9:27 am

at a slow news time, the Joe Moore Memorial OL Camp is this weekend at West Alleghney High School, which will feature Russ Grimm, Jeff Christy, Jimbo Covert, Bill Fralic, Reuben Brown and many others. Not sure if anyone from current Pitt staff is involved, or even allowed to, but there is no doubt that the new staff will get the support of the former Pitt players than the previous one.

link to pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

Comment by wbb 06.07.12 @ 9:38 am

So if we can’t talk Pitt football – if only for lack of relevant news – we can always talk smack on WVU. Kind of hard when they get writeups like this though: link to cbssports.com

It just amazes me that a school like West Vagina can have such a successful program and a school like Pitt which obviously has so much more going for it has been mired in mediocrity for what seems like forever. Guess that goes to show you the difference an AD makes.

Comment by Atlanta Panther 06.07.12 @ 9:43 am

Here is what WVU has that Pitt doesn’t:

1. a captive local audience where the WVU is the initial and main sports story
2. few empty seats for its home games
3. a fanbase that travels to its away games and bowl games (including the Tire Bowl in Birmingham)
4. a long-time coach (Nehken) who was the first northern coach to recognize the importance of recruing the south in acquiring speed and talent
5. a non-interruption in their style of play from coach to coach. Nehlen used mobile QBs (Major Harris) and speedy WRs; RichRod went to the spread using much of the same type of players (just 1 down year – 2001); and, the coaches who followed didnt change that much either.
6. as mentioned above, a proactive AD who gets it

Comment by wbb 06.07.12 @ 10:22 am

We will have to see how they feel, after the losses start coming. And, they will. Ok, Ok St., Tex, just to start, and with rest of them, will they still be tickled with a 7-5 record, 8-4???

Same goes to Clemson and FSU if they decide to bolt. You’ll be rolling in money, is that ok at 7-5???

Not sour grapes either. Just a reality that may very well happen. Seeing some FSU and Clemson posters, the next sentence out of their mouth, right after “we will be rolling in money”, is quite amazing, they always add, we’ll be 10-2, 11-1, 12-0!!!!

The only thing I have to say is, good luck with all of that, however, if you do start going 6-6, 7-5, 8-4, don’t start telling me about how much harder your schedule is and how much tougher your conference is.

You decided to go there, you picked where you wanted to go, don’t whine, deal with it.

Comment by Dan 06.07.12 @ 10:52 am

Wvu will beat texas. Texas’ qb situation is terrible and wvus offense is gonna be top 5 this year imo. I hate to admit it but wvu is gonna be a damn good team this year

Comment by Pk 06.07.12 @ 11:37 am

@Pk, oh you certainly could be correct. I was actually meaning for the overall, long haul, really.

WVU, and Clemson and FSU if they go, will have a much harder time being 10-2 every year. Hell, they haven’t done it much in the ACC, let alonge the Big 12.

So, if they do jump, I don’t want to hear any whining about the conference they play in.

i.e. WVU is 8-4 and Pitt somehow pulls off a 10-2.

don’t want to hear any non-sense from their schools or fans about strength of conference.

Certainly the news media and polls can take that into consideration, but not the schools and fans who wanted to jump.

Comment by Dan 06.07.12 @ 12:41 pm

***Believe it or not, you can actually disregard my comments about WVU. I don’t know what I even included them. Ya, I hate them, but, they had to do what they had to do****

My comments above, are really geared to Florida St and Clemson if they jump ship. The schools and their fans.

I know it’s about money, I’m just sayin’. FSU hasn’t beaten Wake Forest in 5 years, Clemson got demolished by said WVU.

So, you’re gonna go to the Big 12 and be 10-2, 11-1 every year??

Comment by Dan 06.07.12 @ 12:49 pm

P.S. FSU prez Eric Barron, supposedly speaking about Big 12 today, reports Tallahasse newspaper.

Ya, I know, for what it’s worth. Nothin’.

Probably just another denial.

Comment by Dan 06.07.12 @ 12:59 pm

Anyone else read about how Dabo at Clemson will and has rescinded scholarships to potential student athletes if they verbally commit and then take other visits or go to camps? That sort of drawing a line in the sand certainly can’t help their recruiting. Let alone allow them to compete in the Big 12 with the athlete’s from their typical recruiting beds.

Comment by tedsptman 06.07.12 @ 2:53 pm

Dan, don’t overrate the B12. The conference is not as good as many people think. I will be very surprised if WVU isn’t competitive right away.

Comment by wbb 06.07.12 @ 4:32 pm

Olliver Luck “gets it”? Really?
This is the same genius who thought that having Stewart and Holgorsen as co-coaches was a good idea. Think WVU wins the Orange Bowl with that set-up? He lucked out in that Colin Dunlap chose to be a snitch.

Why has WVU been more sucessful? Simple:
1. Lower academic standards
2. Fan base that gives twice as much money
3. Fan base that doesn’t tolerate or pine for a mediocre coach (see below)
4. Better coaches.

Bill Stewart won 28 games in his 3 seasons at WVU, including a 2-1 mark against Pitt. WVU fans couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
During those 3 seasons, Dave Wannstedt won 26 games. We still have a chunk of fans defending him, despiting him burying the program from 2005-2007, and him potentially burying the program down the road with his shoddy QB evaluation.

Line #4 is why WVU has had more success lately.

As for coaching staff camaraderie, what would you expect? They are still celebrating their Orange Bowl victory. We acted the same way after 13-9.

Comment by originalether 06.07.12 @ 5:48 pm

4. a long-time coach (Nehken) who was the first northern coach to recognize the importance of recruing the south in acquiring speed and talent.

@wbb.

Without looking it up, wasn’t Jackie Sherrill at Pitt before Nehlen was at wvu. And that would make Sherrill the first coach at a Northern school (PITT) to recognize the importance of recruiting the south for speed and talent. I believe Cignetti was at wvu when Sherrill was here.

Just sayin

Comment by Emel 06.07.12 @ 6:14 pm

wvu’s success imo has been based on low low academics and some very wealthy donors willing to shell out the money. Mylan among them !

while Pitt de-emphasized football after the Gottfried/Hackett mess. And we lack the one big donor who wants to make PITT Top 5 again. (see T. Boone Pickens)

Comment by Emel 06.07.12 @ 6:17 pm

During those 3 seasons, Dave Wannstedt won 26 games. We still have a chunk of fans defending him, despiting him burying the program from 2005-2007, and him potentially burying the program down the road with his shoddy QB evaluation.

Comment by originalether 06.07.12 @ 5:48 pm

It wasn’t so much shoddy QB evaluation, as he signed a 5 star QB in Pat Bostick. It was throwing him into the fire too fast, which didn’t help at all with his development(actually retarded it). If Bostick would have panned out, there would have been no Sunseri to deal with(except maybe one year, Bostick had misfortune that Tiny came to PITT). Stull’s play his senior year was very good. Wanny inherited Palko who was coming off an excellent sophomore year despite the Fiesta Bowl flop. And Wanny had Gary Nova (another 4 star) recruited for 2011 before Fraudgate.

Bottom line remains Pitt hadn’t won as many games in 3 years (2008-2010) since the Marino years (1980-1982). And those teams had the phenomenal defenses loaded with future NFL all pros.

And now after all the screwups by Smiley, we’re back to playing Wannyball. Except it remains to be seen whether PC can recruit as well but hopefully coach em up better. We shall see !

Comment by Emel 06.07.12 @ 6:29 pm

Emel, I was really referring more to our future QB situation, ala Reed’s post on the subject a few days ago.

Point is, if Voytik isn’t the real deal, we could have some problems over the next few seasons.

Comment by originalether 06.07.12 @ 6:43 pm

I could be wrong about this, but I do not believe that WVU sells more season tickets for FB than Pitt.

Comment by HbgFrank 06.07.12 @ 7:02 pm

Emel, right and wrong. Sherill preceded Nehlen but he was not a northern (bred) coach.. so he had ties to the south bringing in the likes of Green, Jackson and Walker. Still, the bulk of Sherill’s teams were from PA (Grimm, Marino, Sweeney, Fralic, Covert, Dawkins, Collins, etc)

Comment by wbb 06.07.12 @ 7:27 pm

Dan..you asked how OSU gets 8 home games. Here is your answer.
8 BTen games half at home
110,000 at every home game means big payout for out of conference foe
All Ohio schools play in Columbus gladly (except UC–bad blood there) to suck in cash and tell recruits you will play in the Horseshoe
OSU schedules a home/away with good non conference team every year. Next year they travel to Berkley and play Cal, in 2013 they have VTECH in Col., the following year in Blacksburg, the following year at Oklahoma.
8 home games every other year.
I assure you, if we fill Heinz field, we eventually get privileges.
In everything that has anything to do with business MONEY TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS.

Comment by SFPitt 06.08.12 @ 7:00 am

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