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February 9, 2012

You don’t mind if I put off any post on the game from last night do you? You don’t? Good.

So when last we left the Expansiopocolypse (and for the record, I can’t tell you how disappointed I am that this word has not caught on with anyone), there were reports of a settlement looming between West Virginia and the Big East. The issue was that the numbers being leaked by each side seemed quite wide.

On the Big East side, the settlement would be in the $20 million range. By contrast the WVU side was leaking a figure of $11 million. That seems like quite a wide gap for an imminent settlement.

However, a parsing of what was actually written based on leaks from both sides suggests that both numbers could be correct. Bear with me, there is some math involved, parsing words and abject speculation. In other words, par for the course when it comes to everything else in the process.

 

Okay, first the WVU side since they have the lower number.

The Mountaineers will pay the conference an $11 million cash settlement to join the Big 12 for the upcoming football season, a source with knowledge of the situation told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

The settlement is expected to bring to an end more than three months of litigation between the school and the conference since the Mountaineers announced in late October that it planned to join the Big 12 in time for the 2012 football season.

The sides are scheduled for an 8:30 a.m. status hearing today on a conference call with Rhode Island Superior Court Judge Michael Silverstein, who ordered the parties into non-binding mediation last month.

The resolution is expected soon, potentially as early as today, sources said, but it remains unclear if the $11 million figure includes a $5 million exit fee called for in the Big East bylaws or if it is in addition to the $5 million. West Virginia already has paid $2.5 million of that fee.

So the first thing that should be noted is that $2.5 to $5 million more could be counted in this. For the moment, I will make the assumption that only $2.5 million could be added to the $11 million figure.

Now more from the WVU side.

Sources familiar with the negotiations told the Daily Mail Wednesday the university is nearly finished with a resolution to pay a “cash settlement” of $11 million to complete its exit from the Big East.

“Cash settlement” is noticeable there because of the quotes. That might suggest that rather than a lump sum, WVU will be paying in some installments that might total more than $11 million but would hold a present value of $11 million — further bumping the number higher.

Now for something that overlaps and might further explain things.

Other conditions could be involved. One source said the Big East is aware the best way to mitigate damages sustained by losing WVU is by adding a future Big East member sooner than previously planned.

Boise State, for example, is set to join the Big East in 2013, but would have to pay a $5 million buyout to leave the Mountain West Conference early. The Big East – and by extension, WVU – could pay that fee and replace WVU with a school that lessens any damages the Big East might incur by losing the Mountaineers.

This gibes with the report from Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports, who has the Big East sources.

The Mountaineers will join the Big 12 for the 2012-13 school year. However, in a bizarre twist, sources told CBSSports.com that West Virginia officials have contacted future Big East members to see if one could join in 2012 instead of 2013.

The reason is that with West Virginia’s departure to the Big 12, the Big East will be left with only seven football members this fall. Without an immediate replacement for West Virginia, the remaining Big East schools will be scrambling to find a 12th opponent. It’s unknown why West Virginia would assist a league that WVU athletic director Oliver Luck compared to “a ship … seriously going down,” except that it could lower West Virginia’s buyout, sources said.

In this respect, it could very well be that West Virginia might give — let’s say Boise St. — the $5 million it needs to buy its way out of the Mountain West a year early. They would not be giving the Big East the money — so it wouldn’t be part of the money they pay to the Big East — but it would be part of the settlement.

The WVU sourced pieces speak of money paid to the Big East conference. The Big East sourced piece, however, says this.

West Virginia and the Big East Conference are nearing agreement on a settlement worth at least $20 million that would resolve all issues between both parties, college football industry sources told CBSSports.com.

Notice that it doesn’t say that WVU would pay that money to the conference. That makes sense.

So, now let’s run these numbers:

Portion of exit fee already paid ($2.5 million) + “cash settlement” with Big East ($11 million) + Boise St. buyout ($5 million) = $18.5 million

If the money paid to the Big East is done over the next 2-3 years, then we can assume that the total paid will be closer to say $12.5 million to get to the $11 million “cash value.” That adds another $1.5 million, and there it is. $20 million settlement.

Alternatively, if WVU is unable to convince Boise or any of the other future football schools to take money from them to come to the Big East a year early, then WVU would need to compensate the other seven Big East football schools for the scheduling gap and lost revenue.

To keep the numbers simple, let’s pretend it is $1 million per school. That would be $7 million in total, again, not paid directly to the Big East but part of the settlement. Which means the WVU sourced story is still accurate at $11 million to the Big East, while the Big East sourced story is also accurate in terms of the total compensation package.

Fun stuff.

Now for those wondering about what this means for Pitt (and Cuse) going to the ACC in 2012. It means that it won’t happen. No way — and I think rightfully so — will Pitt put itself in that deep just to get out of the conference 2 years early.

For 2013, however, things become a little more logical.

The WVU deal would be the baseline. The first key difference, is that Pitt and Cuse would not have to compensate individual schools or help with a buyout to make up a scheduling gap. The 2013 season will have SDSU, Boise, Memphis, Houston, SMU and UCF in the fold.

There’s a$5-7 million savings.

Next Pitt and Cuse are only leaving one year earlier than the by-laws. Not two. Taking $13.5 million as the amount WVU had to pay the conference to leave two years early. And with the knowledge that under normal rules the amount for leaving would be $5 million after the 27 month wait.

We know that it will then be a negotiation to reach a number between the two figures. The middle ground would be $9.25 million.

That would be a number that could work. Pitt  and Cusecould easily make up the additional $4.25 million each with the increased revenue from the ACC. To say nothing of better ticket sales for the improved conference home game slate — because you know the Big East would give Pitt a home conference slate of Memphis, UCF, Cinci and UConn.

Yes, I know what Pederson said as he continues the media rounds about Pitt not paying more than the $5 million exit fee.

But Pitt athletic director Steve Pederson made it clear that while the school is pushing to leave the Big East as soon as possible, it is not going to pay any more than the $5 million exit fee to make it happen.

“No,” Pederson said emphatically when asked Wednesday if Pitt would be willing to increase the amount of money to be able to leave the conference in time for the 2012 season.

But much like Marinatto saying he is holding Pitt, Cuse and WVU until 2014, it is what he has to say publicly for negotiations. You don’t admit how much you are willing to compromise.

There is also another component to Pederson saying Pitt won’t pay more than the $5 million exit fee. It’s about getting donors to help pony up to get Pitt out early. Pederson and Chancellor Nordenberg want Pitt in the ACC at much sooner than later. They won’t be financially reckless, though. The more clamoring by fans — and more importantly the donor base — to get Pitt over to the ACC, the more likely they will start putting their money where there mouth is.

 





But what impact would this have on the teams with the Mountain West next year who now has an open date? Do they sue Boise, the Big East or WVU?

Comment by wbb 02.09.12 @ 10:49 am

MWC wouldn’t have a lawsuit recourse. It seems the MWC has it set up for an early departure with a higher fee.

Comment by Chas 02.09.12 @ 10:53 am

I was just trying to emphasize the far-reaching impact that these last minute moves will create. Pitt may end up having to schedule Cal of PA .. and the same goes for many others

Comment by wbb 02.09.12 @ 10:56 am

Charleston Gazette has the Big 12 schools chipping in on the buyout to add up to the $20 million:

link to wvgazette.com

Comment by JCE 02.09.12 @ 11:04 am

JCE,

That would help. I wasn’t concerned with from where the money came. Just trying to put together the numbers together so they would match.

Big 12 contributions also would explain why Pitt won’t try to leave this year. The ACC doesn’t need to and won’t help pick up the tab for Pitt and Cuse

Comment by Chas 02.09.12 @ 11:09 am

I will say that if the Big 12 schools are each kicking in $1 million each ($9 million total) to get WVU out of the Big East this year, then whatever penalties they have for their TV deal must be really steep.

WHich begs the question of why they let Mizzou go a year early to the SEC? They could have held them, and spared everyone the headaches.

Comment by Chas 02.09.12 @ 11:15 am

Don’t know if it is ultimately true or not, just throwing it into the mix with everything else…

Comment by JCE 02.09.12 @ 11:17 am

I read an article that said Rutgers and Syracuse may play twice. One would be where the Giants/Jets play their games. Would we play Cincy twice? It’s a scheduling mess.

Comment by gdodson 02.09.12 @ 11:25 am

@Chas, I mentioned to you a couple of times, that my “Expansionpalooza” would give you more mileage.

Alas, you didn’t take my advice!!!

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 11:44 am

The theory about the difference between the $11M and the $20M being the $1M from each B12 school makes a lot of sense to me.

Comment by wbb 02.09.12 @ 12:18 pm

wbb,

Sorry, not buying it. Say in 5 years some BE school gets an invite to the ACC…would I expect Pitt to pony up money to get them out early? No, I wouldn’t. But would I lend them money if I knew that I was getting it back the following year (less conference revenue sharing money).

I think that WVU is trying to spin this as less than what they actually have to pay. Which likely will be 20 mil

Comment by George 02.09.12 @ 12:55 pm

@gdodson. I saw that too. I’m sure just preliminary talk, however, even Okie and Okie St people had brought it up about themselves in the blogasphere, if they didn’t get WVU some weeks back.

I would say any sort of scheduling like that would be grounds for us to go to the ACC immediately.

Our home schedule is going to be bad enough now, as it is.

HOME

Youngstown State
Virginia Tech

3 home crap conference games

2 spots open

AWAY

Buffalo
Notre Dame

3 crap conference games.

Ol’ Steve-o is gonna have his work cut for himself. Not for us die hards of course, but, for the general public, or casual fan, gonna be a tough sell.

Gonna have to promote Chryst, program moving forward, program moving to the ACC and things of that nature.

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 12:59 pm

It would probably be worth $1m to each B12 member to have WVU as a league game next year as opposed to having toschedule some crappy non-league game that is sure not to be televised

Comment by wbb 02.09.12 @ 1:05 pm

Steve did mention, he is close to a deal with one team. I’m hoping it is a half decent one, wouldn’t think he would mention it publicly if it wasn’t. Allthough he could have been just thinking about filling a vacancy.

Won’t be Florida St, (since WVU just dumped that game), they are looking for a home game also, so anyone with that thought….

Maybe Missouri or A&M??? NOT A RUMOR. Just my thoughts, maybe their schedules are messed up also with their move to the ACC.

Hope he at least gets one good one, two scubs would be hideous!

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 1:07 pm

2 games against one BE team. Will not have to pay a team to come in to take WVU’s place. According to NY/NJ site the originally scheduled game against the BE team will count as a conference game the 2nd game to fill in for WVU will NOT be a conference game. Cincy for Pitt??? Keeps travel cost low.

Comment by steve 02.09.12 @ 1:13 pm

Great article, I tend to agree that there is no way from a fiscal standpoint, that we make the move. Considering the current state affairs on high education appropriation cuts, I can’t imagine Nordenberg would or even could, spend an additional 5mm-10mm, Especially for something that could easily be considered “discretionary” at best, as it only expedites the inevitable.

Comment by MJ 02.09.12 @ 1:16 pm

Is PSU locked into their non-conference schedule?

Comment by gdodson 02.09.12 @ 1:18 pm

Ahhh….chicken soup for the soul. No, I was not ready for a bball post and I love expansiopocolypse talk! Thanks for my daily fix, Chas.

I think Pitt is handling this very well. WVU is setting the market and we go from there. WVU being forced to go to the Big 12 this year and having to stroke the big check is also priceless (and helps our cause). We stick around for one more year, let HCPC get his feet wet and then we’re off to the ACC to do some damage in 2013 at minimal cost. Beautiful. I’m looking forward to watching it unfold. HTP!

Comment by FG 02.09.12 @ 1:30 pm

Chas, As to your word expansiopolypse not catching on, what can I say? It’s just not as catchy at word as supercalifragilisticexialodocious. And it falls far short of the longest actual word in the English language antiestablishmentarianism.

Comment by Justinian 02.09.12 @ 2:06 pm

FG, I’m in the same camp with you on this. Let the dust settle. Play the 2012 football season in the Big East. Then with West Virginia having set the precident, look to go to the ACC a year early in 2013, with a much smaller settlement.

Comment by Justinian 02.09.12 @ 2:11 pm

Chas, Excuse I left out the “dis” in antidisestablismentarianism and I knew better. As you know by now, I’m not the best speller.

Comment by Justinian 02.09.12 @ 2:16 pm

I’m sure this has been mentioned multiple times, but I have the “black plague” cold that’s going around and too tired to research….

What is the $$ difference for us in the ACC vs. lBE football and bball? Are there separate individual $$ payouts for additional regional and/or national games. Just wondering what the trade-off $$ number is. Like we gain $7 mil against any cost of moving.

I already accept being an idiot if this is out there in plain view (but I won’t pay any attention to it).

Comment by CompLit 02.09.12 @ 2:21 pm

HA HA HA!!! Now they say it’s goin’ to trial!!!!

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 3:35 pm

STOP PRESSES. Possibly going to a trial.

The settlement, if there is one, was not presented to the judge. So he said we will proceed, but if a settlement is given to him, he will acknowledge it.

Maybe hashing out some last minute details???

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 3:48 pm

Has “Fraud Graham” caught on either?

Give up.

Comment by Lee in Altoona 02.09.12 @ 3:57 pm

We need Big Daddy or Sugar Daddy to step in here, albeit on the QT. They can solve all these early exit problems very quickly.

Comment by Emel 02.09.12 @ 4:14 pm

Nah Lee, he hit a home run with “Fraud Graham”. Even the radio people use it when speaking about him.

Expansionpalooza was so obvious, I gave up my rights without even a fee. He snubbed me, now he has to live with it!!!

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 4:14 pm

Toad Graham, no?

Comment by steve1 02.09.12 @ 4:23 pm

ha ha ha, that could’ve worked!

Comment by Dan 02.09.12 @ 4:40 pm

On Chis Dokish’s blog he says the Maryland quarterback O’Brian has a year of eligibilty left. He’s a former ACC rookie of the year, who had success in the pro style offence before Randy Edsall came in and went to a spread. So after he graduates in May he can transfer to another school enroll in graduate school and play immediately. That’s what happened at Wisconsin this past season. I don’t know if Pitt has a shot, but it would give them an experienced guy and time to develop Voytik.

Comment by Justinian 02.09.12 @ 6:19 pm

So the tax payers in WV don’t mind WVU spending their money just because the team doesn’t want to play ball in the BE?

Comment by Yeti 02.09.12 @ 6:45 pm

He said that O’Brien actually has TWO years of eligibility left which is even better.

Comment by Mike 02.09.12 @ 6:58 pm

for those who may be interested … you can check out Pitt recruit James Robison on ESPN2 tomorrow night when DeMatha plays

Comment by wbb 02.09.12 @ 7:04 pm

Nice Piece on Pitt Script http://www.pittscriptblog.com about the offensive linemen Brandon Sacco coming back, Tom Rickets who transfered from Penn State and Chris Jacobson getting a 6th year, and all will be elegible to play this season.

Comment by Justinian 02.09.12 @ 7:08 pm

thanks, wbb. We could all use some hoops optimism.

Comment by steve1 02.09.12 @ 7:29 pm

thanks for info Justinian

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.09.12 @ 7:32 pm

I remember Big Daddy. He was with Hamilton and Gilbert one night outside the Towers drinkin 40 O’s and smashed an empty bottle to the concrete after finishin. Those were the days. Pitt needs some D lineman like those guys. I digress.

Comment by TX Panther 02.09.12 @ 7:49 pm

WVU is the only thing people in WV have going for them. I mean only. So it makes sense that they prioritize sports because it certainly isn’t education. Beautiful state however.
Pitt will leave effective June 1. Play same team twice in a year? Sorry, that is absurd!!

Comment by SFPitt 02.09.12 @ 8:53 pm

SFPitt, I agree. If WVU goes we are gone too. Pitt has a nearly $2B endowment and plenty of big money boosters. $15-$20M is not going to be prohibitive. We will pay it and go .

Comment by HbgFrank 02.09.12 @ 9:16 pm

I am no fan of Steve Pederson, but it’s good to see him making the rounds with the media to discuss Pitt leaving the Big East early. When Graham complained about having no support at Pitt, Pederson shot down his comments. If the school had bent over backwards anymore for him, he would have…wait, that did happen.

Comment by Tonyinhouston 02.09.12 @ 9:58 pm

So it looks to be official. WVU is gone for $20 million. I think Pitt needs to “lawyer-up”.

Comment by The Incline 02.09.12 @ 11:02 pm

Yeah I just read it on the Post. Now things really get interesting around here!!! Lets sit back and watch. The good part is that the hoopies at least took the heat off of us(Pitt).

Comment by QuipScript 02.09.12 @ 11:24 pm

Now I’m not sure of this, but is Steven Adams not eligible for the McDonalds All-America game? He didn’t make the team and I find it hard to believe that he wasn’t good enough to do so.

Comment by Pitt Rob 02.10.12 @ 12:20 am

Pitt rob, i was wondering the same thing. It might just be that the committe didnt have an extended period to watch him. Hes only been in the us for a month.

I posted it on another board, but i have to get this out. I think people are blowing chrysts ” open the door” comment way out of proportion for a few reasons. One, we know hes not a very good presser so why would we take one little comment and make it the death of the program. What i take from it is chryst is going to get kids that truly want to be at pitt. Two, he recruited quarterbacks, the most important position, and was the closer for a team that became a national power while he was there. If you tell me he cant recruit xall i have to say is look at the quality quarterbacks he got at wisconsin, including russell wilson. The myth that he didnt call recruits for a week after his hiring is, well, a myth. He didnt call the kids that he disliked. The voytiks and shells and bisnowatys of the world got called within days. He didnt recruit the 2013 class very hard at first, ill admit, but he is now. The only recruit that im worried about because of this is robert foster. Hes already visited osu twice sunce urbans arrival and is visiting psu soon. He hasnt visited pitt since chrysts hire. Thats obviously something that needs to change. Well see just how good of a recruiter chryst is this year. There are a lot of players at the top of chrysts list that are also on urbans board so well see

Comment by Pk 02.10.12 @ 6:51 am

Steve Adams actually didn’t start playing for ND Prep until mid January .. it may well be that he is not eligible for Mac AA for this or other reason… no big deal

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 7:15 am

I seriously doubt that Pitt and Cuse leave immediately for ACC, but guaranteed to go next year

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 7:20 am

Adams is not eligible.

Comment by FG 02.10.12 @ 8:10 am

Why would Syracuse agree to play Butgers twice? This is ridiculous. Can the Big East force this?

Comment by TX Panther 02.10.12 @ 8:11 am

It looks like we will have enough wide bodies for the O-line. Let’s hope Chryst and Bostad can coach them up.

I wrote about this year being the year of the injury, and hope we are not cursed again this year. The O-line was hammered last year.

Does anyone know how the rehab is coming? It’s great that Lumpy is back, but how healthy will he be? Also Rotherham got his chance and went down, How are Turnley’s feet?

How is Graham coming along and will Mason play again?

Todd Thomas was banged up and I am sure there are others.

I guess we will find out in spring practice, so I am hoping our training staff is on the top of their game.

If we are healthy maybe we can go out of the Big East with a bang. I guess we don’t have to worry about the Mounties this year.

Comment by gc 02.10.12 @ 8:17 am

@TX, ha ha, ya, can you imagine, just the icing on the cake for the Big East fiasco!!!

Maybe we could play Syracuse 6 times and that would be our conference games.

To really save money, we could play Syracuse, home, 3 times in a row, Fri, Sat and Sun, then, the following week, we go to the carrier dome for a weekend of 3!!!

Someone shoot this thing and put it out of it’s misery!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 8:20 am

Even with WVU in the Big 12 next season, they are still going to need some non-con games. Do they have those already lined up? If not, and since Pitt has room for the game too, why not one more Brawl??

Comment by JCE 02.10.12 @ 8:24 am

Face the facts! If you think that Cryst will be able to out recruit Urban and other Big 10 powers then you are dreaming. That is the problem with trying to run a Big 10 type program with second hand Big 10 recruits. That is why the spread intrigued me. You can run a spread without the top talent except for at a couple of positions and be very competitive. That is how WVU with lower rated recruits has been so succcessful. Let’s just wait and see and hope for the best and coaching ability gets the most out of the players that we do get.

Comment by JP 02.10.12 @ 8:57 am

As much as I want Pitt to get into the ACC as soon as possible, this whole conference jumping insanity in CFB is really out of hand. We’ve got schools trying to play in different conferences for different sports, and the money being thrown down the toilet in exit fees is absolutely absurd.

If Pitt has an extra $10 million laying around for this crap, then I’d rather see them stay in the BE for another year and use that money to help students pay their tuition, build a laboratory, or replace all the books in the library that always seemed be missing when I was a student there. People keep saying how all the sports money these schools are prostitiuting themselves for is beneficial to the students academically, but I don’t see it personally. Kudos to Stevie P. for refusing to pay more than $5 million, but that’s still too much money just to line the pockets of the BE – it could do a lot more good on campus.

Seems to me that no school should be beholdent to a conference, which are not educational institutions, government agencies, or any legitimate type of overseeing body – they’re just greedy unnecessary appendages with too much power. Why should a conference commissioner have any power over a university president in deciding what a school does with it’s extracurricular activities? (and yes, that’s what sports are…) Oh yeah, silly me – I forgot that all higher education in the US is now being run by ESPN.

Comment by Steve 02.10.12 @ 9:02 am

JCE – WVU’s out of conference schedule for 2012 is already set. In fact, they had to buy out Florida State to get down to 3 OOC games.

Comment by Pantherman13 02.10.12 @ 9:53 am

JP, recruiting has never been Pitt’s problem, look at the nfl rosters. Actually coaching them on game day has been the issue. Ohio State can get all the 5 star recruits and Pitt still has been able to find the 2 and 3 stars that are actually 5+ (see Revis). I was also intrigued by the spread though, we just didn’t have a coach that had proven he could do it (we were drinking the kool aid without realizing his OC’s were the real reason for his success, see Morris at Clemson and Malzahn).

Comment by Howard 02.10.12 @ 10:24 am

I agree with Steve and think giving Cryst one year in the Big East without WVU before going to the ACC might be good, kind of like one year of junior varsity to get the system installed. Going to the ACC this year is tempting though, much better football game day atmosphere at those schools (and closer for me to drive to!).

Comment by Howard 02.10.12 @ 10:29 am

Cardiac Hill reports that the West Virginia/Big East deal is done and WVU will play thei upcoming season in the Big 12. That also means that Pitt loses two games from their schedule in TCU and West Virginia. They also comment that Boise State is attempting to resolve their current contract obligations and we should expect to see them in thw Big East for the 2012 season.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 10:30 am

I talked to some Maryland alums last night at a basketball game who tell me (I was wearing my Pitt gear) that Pitt and Danny O’brian have talked and that Pitt is joining the ACC is a major consideration. Pitt is on his list. From what I have seen of him, he is a tremendous QB talent and that Edsall’s style did not sit well with him or the team. Personally, I give Edsall one more year before they run him out of town.

As far as WVU and the BE, Pitt needs to file suit immediately, hire an “asshole” lawyer and become a pain to the BE. Enough already…

Comment by Dan 72 02.10.12 @ 10:40 am

jp, one thing that needs to be noted about WVU … they have recruited for speed for at least 2 decades. Don Nehlen was one of the 1st northern coaches, if not the first, to recognize the talent athleticism coming from the south .. and recruited quite a bit from Florida and the south.

RichRod stepped it up even more when he came in 2001. If you compare their roster now, 5, 10 or 20 years ago to Pitt’s, you will see a much bigger influx of recruits from the south.

As you seen in the Orange Bowl, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin and company had speed to burn .. as did Devine, White and Slaton … etc, etc.

I understand your premise about a spread being competitive (and it needs to be knownn even how good Pitt has done with its 2-3 star Florida talent) but moving to a spread requires a wholesale change, not just a few players.

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 10:53 am

So all we had to be was bitch and moan, create a lawsuit, and cancel our scheduled games in order to join the ACC by next year? WTF

Comment by Timmeh 02.10.12 @ 10:54 am

@Steve, I agree with you, I really do. However, someone would have to guarantee me that the 5 million would be used directly for student tuition, and not just be sent into a bureaucratical abyss somewhere.

Yes, it is an educational instituion first, but, frankly, I’ve paid enough in personal and business taxes, donations to the athletic, AND academic departments, plus many tuitions in my family, that if it’s just gonna be thown into a pool, I’d rather see them in the ACC sooner than later.

Also, remember, no one is jumping ship unless they are going to make money.

Even WVU, you hear 20 Million being tossed around. Believe me, the bean counters wouldn’t give their go ahead, unless the ROI is strong.

Same with Pitt, if the ROI is good, they’ll go, if not, they’ll stay.

Again, if someone can guarantee me the money will go right to student tuition, I’m all for it.

And I think we all know, that ain’t gonna happen!!

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 11:00 am

@Howard, yes, football wise, might be good to get his feet wet for a year in the BE if we have too.

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 11:05 am

How much of the $20M that WVU is paying to the Big East is Pitt’s share as a conference member ?

Comment by spindler's spirit 02.10.12 @ 11:37 am

Maybe the “buyout” of the Pitt/WVU game should be $5 mil and the bball games 1/2 mil each !!

Comment by CompLit 02.10.12 @ 11:52 am

Know this Urban legend is going to make a mistake he Is Not bulletproof.

Comment by 63 Team 02.10.12 @ 11:56 am

WBB, When Don Nehlen was coaching at West Virgina, he realized that he was behind Penn State and Pitt in the minds of western PA talent and he went down south to get some of the players he needed. However he still got a lot of players from western PA. Heck he recognized the talent of and recruited Major Harris from the City League.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 12:14 pm

No we won’t out recruit Urban Meyer in Ohio, but I think we’ll get more that our share in Western PA. Also I think there are an awful lot of talented players in Ohio and no matter how well he does, he can’t take all of them. Besides Wisconsin’s recruits are rarely as highly rated, as Ohio State’s and Wisconsin does well with the guys they get.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 12:20 pm

$20M just confirmed. Thats an absolute ransom by the BE. Hoopies are dumb enough to pay it.

Comment by Pitt it IS 02.10.12 @ 12:48 pm

Steve, the money you are talking about would be only $$ given to the athletic department and couldn’t be used in other capacities anyways. If you have enough $$ you can tell the University how to spend it.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 02.10.12 @ 12:49 pm

Hey, how about this. Maybe some strong arm tactics are needed.

If Pitt, believes in the end, that no matter what, we can’t go to the ACC this year, we have to wait until 2013 at the earliest…….

Pitt and Syracuse leaving early (now) would cause a disaster for the BE of untold magnitude………..

Nordy and Steve tell the BE,

“look, if you don’t want us to jump ship right now for 2012, and cause you to have a total mass chaos, we want a contract written up that…

1.) only holds us to 2013, not 2014 and

2.) we want the 5 million dollar exit fee waived!!!!!!!!!!!

This is genius. Ya, it’s called extortion I guess.

I call it just letting them know the facts.

This is brilliant, we stay and get prepped for the ACC, we leave a year early without any noise, and we save 5 million dollars!!!!!!!

What’s their cell numbers???

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 12:54 pm

now what will be interesting is how much, if any, of the $20M the two lame ducks programs will get.

There is no doubt that Pitt and Cuse will have openings to leave after 2012-3 … and with all of the new teams coming in next year, it shouldn’t have a big impact to the BE.

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 1:10 pm

@WBB, if you’re speaking to something else, my fault.

If you’re replying to me, I’m not talking about 2013. I’m talking about the talk of Pitt and Syracuse leaving now, for the 2012 season, this fall, which there has been much talk about.

Ya, they’ll be fine for 2013, if Pitt and Syracuse decide to leave now, the BE conference would have 5 members for the upcoming season.

UCONN, CINCY, LOUISVILLE, USF and RUTGERS.

You may have been replying to someone else, so, disregard if the case.

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 1:25 pm

It’s my understanding the West Virginia’s deal with the Big 12 was that they had to be there for the 2012 football season. The Big 12’s TV deal with ESPN was based the conference fielding 10 teams. That’s why WVU was so determined to leave the Big East before next year’s football season. The offer to join the Big 12 was a contingent offer, based on West Virginia being ready to play football in 2012. They were competing with Louisville to get the bid and the West Virginia administration went out on a limb to get it.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 1:47 pm

Dan, I was not specifically addressing you but I understand your reasoning that Pitt and Cuse should look for immediate outs .. however, I’m not so sure it is going to happen, or they will even press to make it happen this year but will certainly be gone next year.

Personally, I can live with another year in the BE knowing there are greener pastures ahead.

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 1:57 pm

I think it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that Pitt and Syracuse are going play the 2012 season in the Big East. However with some of the new teams coming in 2013 and with West Virginia setting a precident, Pitt and Syracuse should be able to negociate a deal to leave a year early. The Big East doesn’t have enough football teams to let them off the hook any sooner.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 2:11 pm

Justinian, you’re exactly right – keeping the ESPN contract is why the Big 12 helped pony up money to WVU. Pitt and Cuse are only an expansion, not a replacement, so there’s not that urgency. HOWEVER, I think (a) Boise will replace WVU in the Big East schedules for next year and (b) Pitt and Cuse are gone after next year.

Comment by KeyboardKev 02.10.12 @ 2:19 pm

You’re right wbb, I can too. Especially if it means another year in BE hoops.

I really just hope they don’t do some sort of playing the same team twice thing. Seems kind of tacky (sp)??? Ha ha, never tried to spell tacky beofre. (I’m probably not even close).

A year to have Coach Chryst settle in may be a good thing.

Hail to Pitt

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 2:54 pm

Since the geniuses in Providence have mismanaged the Big Least so badly, they are responsible for teams leaving and not having adequate replacements. If things had been run properly the BE would still have Miami, Va Tech, BC, Cuse, wvu and Pitt. Since the football schools are faced with a big hole in their schedule for 2012 the $20 million from the Hoopies should be divided among the football schools. Further, since the bb only schools and the BE “management” caused us to have a lack of opponents for 2012 they should supply them. Let’s have Providence College, Marquette, St. John’s, Georgetown and Villanova suit up against Cinci, UConn, Rutgers, Cuse, Ville, South Florida and Pitt.

Comment by Houston Panther 02.10.12 @ 4:52 pm

I think JP has it about right. You either recruit top talent to play a pro style system or you switch to the spread which doesn’t require as much overall talent. Ignore the Fraud Graham experiment. It has worked for the hoopies and many others.

Comment by Houston Panther 02.10.12 @ 4:57 pm

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