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February 10, 2012

Lots of chatter of verbal agreements and things behind the scenes, but no actual, direct statements, spun press releases announcing anything. Heck, the Big 12 has even delayed their schedule once more.

The issues of WVU leaving the Big East for the Big 12 appear relatively settled. Just the details need to be resolved.

So, in lieu of anything in particular, a grab-bag of related stuff tied to expansiopocolypse that I found interesting.

Let’s start with the hilarious McConnell-Manchin feud in the US Senate. I think very little of either of them. The one thing I will say, reading that piece, is it does more to benefit DickRod than anyone else. DickRod has long claimed of interference while he was at WV from then Gov. Manchin as playing a role in his decision to leave. Astounding as it seems, DickRod is seeing his credibility improve thanks to Manchin’s antics.

Manchin — I suppose like most politicians — is a bit of a name-dropping ass as he shows in this story where he tries to answer the questions raised by the story of the feud.

 

First there is the anguish for which he spoke for all of West Virginia when the Big 12 delayed by a couple days taking WVU back in November that sparked the feud:

Manchin said the delay should not have happened.

‘We went through two and a half days of agony,” he said. “And just think if it would have gone the other way – it would have been very hurtful, because you know very well it’s not just about a football game or football conference. In our state, it’s like a rejection.”

“I’m sure that they were probably rubbed wrong on this, but this is a personal thing – we’ve got more important things to work on,” he said.

Well, more important things now that WVU is heading to the Big 12. And definitely more important things until the next time Sen. Manchin can flex his political muscle with WVU so he can be BMOC.

Then there is the lovely way in which he makes clear how much WVU was trying to get out of the Big East, and how the Big 12 was the fallback position.

“I thought we could have been in the SEC,” Manchin said. “I talked to my dear friend Nick Saban about that, and, like me, he said, ‘I would like West Virginia in the SEC,’ and we were working toward that.”

That effort proved unsuccessful, though no one talked publicly about it last fall.

“They chose Missouri instead, and then you never heard a thing else about it,” Manchin said.

And I’m guessing most of WVU’s athletic department — and the legal team that was fighting the Big East lawsuits — would have preferred not to have a US Senator confirm that WVU was indeed, desperately trying to get out of the Big East. Not that the Big 12 invited them as they claimed.

This blog is going to miss the low-hanging fruit of Hoopie behavior.

Now, back to West Virginia’s conditional settlement with the Big East. We all know the broad outlines. $11 million from WVU. $9 million from the Big 12/member schools. Here’s an additional wrinkle.

At least some of that $9 million, however, is expected to be in the form of a loan that West Virginia will have to pay back, probably through reduced shares in Big 12 revenue sharing.

West Virginia is already on a gradual revenue sharing track with the Big 12 as part of its membership agreement. The school will receive a 50 percent share in the first year, rising to 67 percent in the second year, 85 percent in the third year and 100 percent in the fourth year.

Looks like WVU isn’t getting out of the Big East that cheaply.

The departure of West Virginia, though, still leaves the Big East with the scheduling issue. Pressure seems to be growing to use a chunk of the settlement money from WVU to help pay Boise’s way out of the MWC a year earlier. The MWC by-laws actually allow it based on a formula of revenue and BCS standings. Something Boise is quietly in favor of doing. And, by the way, is there a greater reflection of the Big East’s overall pathetic nature in that it will have to pay the incoming member’s exit fee to get to the Big East — and Boise knows it.

The Big East and West Virginia are finalizing their terms of separation. Published reports indicate the Mountaineers’ exit will cost $20 million — with West Virginia’s new league, the Big 12, kicking in $9 million of that total.

Coincidentally (or not), it will cost Boise State between $7.5 million and $9 million to leave the Mountain West this year. A final amount won’t be known until the end of the school year when the Mountain West determines its per-school distribution of revenue.

Just tell the Big 12 to send its money straight to the Mountain West. And since the SEC is going to pay the Big 12 for taking Texas A&M and Missouri, it’s really just SEC money that ends up filling the Mountain West coffers, via the Big 12 and Big East.

Boise State should squeeze as much out of the Big East as possible, asking its new league to cover all of its moving expenses (including what it would owe the WAC to take its non-football sports a year early) and, perhaps, waiving some of its $2 million entrance fee.

The WAC is prepared to accommodate Boise State for all non-football sports in 2012-13, a league source said, removing one big hurdle to the move.

One issue, though is how to schedule Boise St. The easy way to do it would be to slot Boise into WVU’s spot. That would send Syracuse to Boise and the Broncos would visit Pitt. That won’t happen. We all know that the Big East will do the same thing the MWC did to TCU last year. Have both Cuse and Pitt go out to the Smurf Turf. Besides, Rutgers is not happy about the situation since they need a home game.

Rutgers would want Boise to come to Piscataway.

If Rutgers is forced to go to Boise, the Knights would not play at Arkansas, leaving a void on the schedule. Kansas State is still a possible non-conference option for the Knights in that case, but Rutgers already has built-in travel with its season opener at Tulane. Adding road games with Boise and either Arkansas and Kansas State is something the school is working to avoid.

If Boise joins the Big East this fall and plays at Rutgers, the Knights would likely fill out their non-conference schedule at Arkansas.

Florida State has an opening for a home game this year but is unwilling to return the trip, the person said.

The Rutgers people are also still ticked about the TCU departure — mainly at Marinatto and the Big East’s handling of it.  Because of the ramifications that went beyond the schedule issues.

The Big East’s settlement with West Virginia, allowing the Mountaineers to leave, comes after commissioner John Marinatto steadfastly said for the past five months that the league would hold any departing schools to the 27-month exit penalty. Under league bylaws, West Virginia was obligated to remain in the Big East through July 1, 2014.

But Marinatto may have undermined the league’s efforts to hold West Virginia in the league because of the precedent he set by allowing TCU to leave the Big East without ever playing a game. The Horned Frogs will start play in the Big 12 this season.

It does show how clueless and short-sighted the Big East offices and Marinatto were. Pitt and Cuse had already announced they were leaving. Everyone else knew UConn, WVU, Rutgers, Louisville and even Cinci were sending loud feelers out to any and every other BCS conference. Yet, the Big East never seemed to believe anyone else could possibly leave the conference or try to go early, and plan for that possibility. There was not even an effort to hold TCU for a year or more realistically — force the Horned Frogs to pay more to depart.

Is there any doubt that 2012 Big East football will have the weirdest vibe to it, ever?





If BE sends Pitt out to Boise, Syracuse may be in for a return trip to Heinx Field…assuming rest of schedule remains the same.

Comment by steve 02.10.12 @ 2:50 pm

Do not see how Big Least commish can have Pitt go to Boise State. This would be a breach of contract for X amount of home games per year in the league. Pitt could sue for damages. Even this commish is not that stupid. Maybe on second thought?

Comment by John In South Carolina 02.10.12 @ 2:51 pm

Let’s go play at FSU. We rarely play top 10 teams.

Comment by Tony C 02.10.12 @ 2:56 pm

Plus if we put up a decent effort we will expose ourselves to Florida recruits and possibly break ground for the move to the ACC

Comment by Tony C 02.10.12 @ 2:57 pm

Since WVU is a home game for Pitt this year, can’t Pitt argue that their replacement should play at Heinz as well?

Comment by Chuck Morris 02.10.12 @ 2:58 pm

I hope not going to Boise St. I’d have to go to the game, can’t watch the blue field on t.v..

Not just because it’s ugly, seriously, after 5 minutes my eyes are strained.

Maybe it’s not better in person, but, I’d like to get out to that part of the country.

Also, have to start counting pennies.

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 2:58 pm

Wasn’t it Manchin’s daughter Heather who was awarded the unearned MBA by WVU? She is now CEO of Mylan Industries whose founder, Mylan, has the Hoopie’s field named after him. (actually, he has done very well for himself, and also moved his headuqarters some time ago from WV to Canonsburg. Believe he died last year)

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 2:59 pm

Dan, I’m with you … I cannot watch a game on that blue field either.

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 3:01 pm

Posted this before, but, I’m only half joking.

How about Pitt and Syracuse turn around and put a little squeeze on Marinatto?

Threaten that they are contemplating leaving for the 2012 season, this fall.

Try to get an iron clad agreement, that we will be out for next year, so we don’t have to go through any bs next year and have a smooth transition to the ACC.

Ask for a waiver on the exit fee. Maybe get it down to 2.5m a piece or something.

“Mr. Marinatto, you want more chaos than you allready have, try having 5 teams in your conference this fall”

Hey, if they call our bluff, say we decided against it, we’re staying, and we’re still leaving next year.

C’mon, throw a couple molotovs at them!!!

What, they’ll hate us?? They allready do. Not as much as WVU, but they do.

Just like I hated Va. Tech and Miami for a couple years.

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 3:06 pm

Hey wbb, sorry I re-posted my thought, I wanted to see if anyone thought of this.

I’m like you also wbb, you posted awhile back, I hate to hurt Rutgers or Uconn, or actually any of the other guys too. They’re in a tough position, and I wouldn’t wish any harm on them.

Mainly, I’m just thinking, lets get the contract nonsense over now, for next year, so we don’t have to hear all of this same stuff next winter, only it’s Pitt and Syracuse vs The Big East.

Actually, I’d be thrilled if UCONN and Rutgers can join us some day if any of these conferences go to 16.

Well, I sucked up a lot of time, but, going out on a call, won’t be back till later.

Good day to you wbb and to all!

Comment by Dan 02.10.12 @ 3:09 pm

agree with you about UConn … for some reason, I can care less about Rutgers (never liked them)

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 3:16 pm

Good marks for the hiring as Bostad as OC. As Smizik said in his coumn today, Bostad may well be the best OL coach at Pitt since Joe Moore

link to bruce-feldman.blogs.cbssports.com

Comment by wbb 02.10.12 @ 3:59 pm

Wbb, Yes Heather Bresch, Manchin’s daughter who the Post-Gazette broke the story about her “un-earned MBA.” Manchin also put his buddy who didn’t have the academic credentials, in the position as President of WVU. Then apparentely he called in a his marker for the “Prid pro quo” favor. Tne newspapers in West Virginia were afraid to say anything about it and it was the Pittsburgh Post Gazette that did the reporting that ended with he resignation of the Univeristy President and the department heads, who granted the the degree.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 4:08 pm

Every time Manchin rears his ugly head, I have to remind myself that he’s a real person and not a character created at Paramount Pictures. He and Blagojevich are neck and neck for over-the-top political caricatures of the century.

P.S. I’m still not sure how Manchin and his daughter were able to fall forward so easily.

Comment by Cool Hand Nuke 02.10.12 @ 4:18 pm

Gov. Manchin = Boss Hogg??

Everything that happens at WVU reminds me of a Dukes of Hazard episode.

Comment by dinosaur 71 02.10.12 @ 4:26 pm

YeeHaw!!

Comment by Gordo 02.10.12 @ 4:48 pm

Yeah but they are out and we are still stuck in the BE. They had the balls to fight the BE and by year 3 the revenue increase will more than make up for the exit fee. If the Cheap Os at Pitt had any balls they would leave and just pay the consequences. We constantly hear how Pitt pays assist. coaches less than other schools, etc. in other words cheap!! How many more millions will Pitt get in the ACC with the new TV contract?

Comment by JP 02.10.12 @ 5:25 pm

@JP

Why burn bridges? Do the right thing, stay until we can get out.

I still think doing the right thing will not only make Pitt look good but may get us early parole.

Comment by Lou Gagliardi 02.10.12 @ 5:55 pm

Cool Hand Nuke, They not only fell forward, Manchin after two terms as governor decided to run for Senator Byrd’s seat. I guess “MBA-Gate” with the University President Garrison’s resignation, was good publicity, because he won easily. Only in West Virginia!

Comment by Justinian 02.10.12 @ 5:57 pm

oh, and tx for the link wbb

Comment by Gordo 02.10.12 @ 6:21 pm

sounds like one giant cluster f*ck…but isn’t it always with the big Least?

what a joke.

Comment by Coach Ditka 02.10.12 @ 6:33 pm

Does the last school in the Big Least get to keep all of the money?

Then again, who has the stones to go down with a sinking ship?

Comment by Gas 02.10.12 @ 6:38 pm

Who else saw that Robinson Rejection!

Comment by Gordo 02.10.12 @ 8:08 pm

Unfortuantely, Robinson also got ejected after a 2nd tech was called on him. I saw the first tech and it was deserved. got in the kids face after a nice block shot on a lay up. The second one, I didn’t see but heard that a player shoved the ball into him and he pushed it away. Both players got t’d.

Comment by PantherDann 02.10.12 @ 9:37 pm

good, maybe robinson will bring a toughness that this team lacked throughout that streak.

Comment by pk 02.10.12 @ 10:27 pm

We should all look at the long-term for Pitt athletics. Playing one more year in the Big East is not the end-all. I’m not in favor of paying an early exit fee to go to the ACC unless the ACC ante’s up the $$.

Let’s forget about West Virginia University and let the Big East commissioner worry about 2012 scheduling. After this season Pitt will be in the ACC and life will go on… HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 02.11.12 @ 7:27 am

With the Governor cutting back funding it is very difficult to justify buying our way out of the Big Least.

We should use next year as an opportunity to get our two primary sports back on track………….
Football, why rush into the ACC without a qb? Tino is a disaster even in a prostyle offense and we can redshirt Voytek. The extra year gives Chryst & Co. a chance to settle down the defense, work on building an offensive line, etc.

Basketball why state the obvious…we need time to rebuild. The ACC is not the place to try to put the pieces together for a team that is so lost that even using a compass to find the basket is useless. Adams will not be one and done!
Two and gone yes, but not a one year wonder.

THIS SHOULD AND WILL BE OUR LAST YEAR BEING MISTREATED BY PROVIDENCE!

Comment by isnore 02.11.12 @ 7:50 am

I agree with isnore that another year in the big east will do pitt some good. Going to the acc right now could be a disaster for football right off the bat. Itd delay their success because of tino etc. plus if they wait a year their first recruiting class in the acc could have robert foster and malik zaire. If pitt goes to the acc right away and has a turrible year that might lessen the chances for recruits like that.

Comment by Pk 02.11.12 @ 8:18 am

Gosh, you guys were right about joe d on panther prey. No matter what you say or do to make him look at things rationally he just spews negativity. Pitt could land foster zaire breneman kugler and hed still say pitts a failure because theyre from this area and they cant recruit nationally. The guy is ridiculous!!!!

Comment by Pk 02.11.12 @ 12:56 pm

He goes for shock value. Makes some good points from time to time but is a negative yinzer and little pleases him. Don’t know his background but appears to have been a former coach or knows the coaching circles. Would be much more bearable and likeable if he wasn’t such a downer and arrogant sob. He is very passionate, opinionated and has far too much time on his hands. Did I just describe myself?

Comment by TX Panther 02.11.12 @ 1:16 pm

Wait, we can sue the Big East now for the same reasons WVU did kind of.

When we signed up for this we were told our rival and neighbor West Virginia would be there. Next year, they’ll be gone.

Breach of contract, Pitt plays in the ACC in 2012.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 02.11.12 @ 5:49 pm

Pk, It just probably Bob Smizik using a screen name.

Comment by Justinian 02.11.12 @ 6:13 pm

@Jimbo Covert’s My Dad

Well, ‘we’ were told a lot of things about the Big East that haven’t come true, or are no longer true.

But I think the Big East learned from the WVU fiasco and Pitt won’t be able to do the same thing.

Comment by Lou Gagliardi 02.11.12 @ 10:57 pm

Hey, I still say Steve and Nordy need to get the mob involved.

We’re leaving now with Syracuse, good luck with a 5 team conference this fall, unless we get it in writing that we can exit for the 2013 season and, yes, by the way, we would like the 5M exit fee waived!!!

We’ll stay put for a year if you meet those demands, if not, we’re heading to the ACC now.!!!

Steve, you need me to make a call????

Comment by Dan 02.12.12 @ 2:34 am

Chas or Reed, We need a new post this morning. I couldn’t find anything of interest in this morning’s Post-Gazette. Something without the word Expansiocolypolypse in it, would be appreciated.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.12 @ 7:32 am

JP – WVU has shown time and again that academics just don’t matter as much as sports do there which is why they can pony up $9M.

PITT shouldn’t do that. Not when PITT is facing another 30% reduction in State monies. There are more important things that the money can be used for.

PITT can wait a year and negotiate a separation that cost us less.

Comment by Reed 02.12.12 @ 7:37 am

Reed, I see no way that Pitt would be a party any kind of settlement of that magnitude. They will play in the Big East next year and then if they can work something out for the 2013 season, they will use the WVU precident to negociate something workable. Once the Big East’s new teams start to come into the conference, it will be in everyones best interest to move on.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.12 @ 7:55 am

The critical year for the Big East Conference is next year. Without Pitt and Syracuse they would only have 5 teams. They are talking with Boise State about possibly coming in for the upcoming 2012 football season. That would replace West Virginia on the schedule and give them a quality team with some cache as well. The primary concern for the Big East is to maintain an exceptable product for TV/ESPN considerations and their BCS affiliation. So there is no way that they can let Pitt and Syracuse off the hook. All things considered, another year in Big East isn’t a problem. The question will be about 2013.

Comment by Justinian 02.12.12 @ 8:21 am

Reed//Justinian-

Yesterday morning at 7:50AM I posted similar thoughts. The buyout contract issue has been decided for us by Governor Corbett. We can’t justify spending any large sum to say good bye next year to the Big East.

In addition, what’s the rush to go to the ACC with both basketball (think of the fact that we might struggle today with Seton Hall) and football with a new coach in dire need of a quarterback. We might be destroyed next year in the ACC in both sports until we can rebuild.
Sit out next year with Syracuse in the Big East and fly the coop in 2013!!

Comment by isnore 02.12.12 @ 10:32 am

Anthony Standifer……………..??

Standifer is a very talented cornerback and as far as I know he visited Pitt this weekend after delaying his LOI. The sweepstakes include the wackiest combination of programs that I have ever seen…Pitt, Boise State and Vanderbilt.

Any word leaking out that can be discussed?…he would be an excellent addition to the 2012 Class.

Comment by isnore 02.12.12 @ 11:00 am

“Let’s hit them now, while we got the muscle!”

Use the threat, of leaving now, to get the Big East to negotiatie our 2013 early exit done and have a signed contract. You get them to also agree that we will pay the 5million dollar exit fee next year, and that’s it.

Hell, get them to waive the fee, unless they want super-chaos, more than they have now, (hard to believe they could be more chaotic), but a five team conference in September would send them reeling!!!

You have some leverage right now.

The best thing for Pitt, would probably be to join in 2013. I agree. I’m saying, get the early 2013 exit handled now, while you have a little clout, so we don’t have to go through this next winter and/or spring all over again.

Hopefully Steve and Nordy are working on this right now behind closed doors.

Comment by Dan 02.12.12 @ 11:33 am

If Pitt and Syracuse left now (not likely, but been talked about, Steve mentioned he’s not happy, etc. etc.)

Pitt and Syracuse’s schedule would be filled immediately with ACC games.

You could argue, that Pitt and Syracuse could sue, and the Big East could sue back.

You think Marinatto wants any of this garbage to start up again right now????

5 team Big East conference for Sept. 2012, what the hell would they do???

Ya, Pitt has a little leverage. Use it.

Comment by Dan 02.12.12 @ 11:37 am

@isnore-Standifer-no word yet. He is at Pitt this weekend. He is visiting schools through Feb 24. Who knows how this situation will play out.

Comment by jw in Raleigh 02.12.12 @ 12:51 pm

I agree with Dan. It’s time to go. Now.

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.12.12 @ 3:12 pm

I agree with Dan. It’s time to go. Now. Put the squeeze to Marinatto and only pay $5 million exit fee to leave now. Pitt has no reason to play nice.

Comment by TonyinHouston 02.12.12 @ 5:23 pm

@Tony, I would love to leave now.

However, I don’t know that will happen.

Seems more likely 2013, which is a year early.

What I’m really suggesting, is to use the “threat” of leaving now, to secure our early departure next year in writing, (so we don’t have to go through all this stuff next winter), and to negotiate a price, even a discount price, or at most, the 5M original exit fee.

1). We could play a year in the BE, Chryst and Dixon could have a year to get ready.

2.) We get to leave 1 year early, which has been much talked about (2013) but, get the paperwork done now, and signed, so there is no nonsense next Jan and Feb.

3.) Get to leave one year early and only be paying the 5Million exit fee at most. Not some exit fee between 5Million and WVU’s 20 Million.

4.) Would prevent lawsuits, and all of the court non-sense next year.

I’m saying, use the leverage and threat of “hey Mr. Marinatto, Pitt and Cuse are seriously considering jumping now”, to accelerate our exit in 2013, the cheapest way possible.

Comment by Dan 02.12.12 @ 7:44 pm

[…] Ignore the dueling lawsuits and the $20 million you paid to settle. That wasn’t a compromise. It was a negotiation. Yes, it was all you Ollie. Brandishing your twig and intimidating the Big East. Senator Manchin on line 2, to claim his credit. […]


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