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November 22, 2010

Late Recap from 2K

Filed under: Basketball — Chas @ 1:36 pm

Not going to be (or at least shouldn’t be) a lot on basketball this week. Should be a liveblog tomorrow for the Robert Morris game (right, Luke?), but then focus on football and the Backyard Brawl. Hopefully tonight I can get some of my thoughts from the two games posted.

Lots of stories from the Friday event as you would expect. Travon Woodall was named to the all-2K Tournament team. Woodall had a solid performance in both games. While he missed that crucial free throw at the end, he more than made up for it by showing defensive smarts on Corey Joseph.

“He’s a freshman, so I was trying to get him out of control a little bit,” Woodall said. “At the end of the game, I kind of had an idea that he would try to take the shot because he hadn’t gotten (much), so I just tried to get up in there and bother him.”

Now keep in mind that Joseph isn’t just a random freshman forced to start. Joseph was one of the top guard recruits in the country. High basketball IQ (allegedly) and very likely will be jumping to the NBA before is eligibility is up. Pitt shut him down all game and then in the end, Woodall stayed with him and forced him to curl away from the basket rather than letting him drive. He stayed between him and the basket the entire time. Joseph was not prepared to look for anyone else by that point and hoisted a poor, poor shot.

Why? Becuase he has learned and listened to what his coaches told him about the player and he knew the situation.

“I knew since I missed the shot, I couldn’t just hang my head,” said Woodall, who finished with seven points and five assists. “I said I have to stand here, make this defensive stop and give my team the win.”

“Coach kept telling me that he wanted to drive left,” continued Woodall about the play. “At that moment, I saw somebody on the right side, so I knew he wanted to take me one-on-one and try to get the layup. He didn’t have a chance to get into a groove, so I just took him and tried to force him into a bad shot.”

Then there was the Tournament MVP — Ashton Gibbs. Gibbs had the monster second-half that gave Pitt the win.

Then Gibbs knocked down a 3-pointer of his own. Followed by a couple free throws … followed by a jumper … followed by another 3. In a span of 119 seconds, interrupted by two Texas free throws, Gibbs rattled off 10 Pittsburgh points.

“I just knew that it was time,” Gibbs said. “It was time to step up.”

The Panthers now led 49-40 — but the Longhorns had another run left in them. Texas narrowed the margin to a single point once more, 63-62. Pittsburgh had possession, with less than 90 seconds left.

Take a guess who took the shot — and buried it.

He stepped up and carried the team when it needed him on offense. But what got most media folks who hung around for the postgame honors was what Gibbs did then.

After Ashton Gibbs was named Most Valuable Player of the Coaches vs. Cancer event at Madison Square Garden on Friday night, he motioned for his entire team to join him at midcourt.

Officials from the Gazelle Group wouldn’t let his fellow Panthers come with him to receive the award, but Gibbs’ effort spoke volumes.

“It’s a team game,” the junior guard from Scotch Plains, N.J. said after scoring 19 of his team-high 24 points in the second half as No. 5 Pitt downed Texas, 68-66, in the championship game.

“I wouldn’t have done it without my teammates. They screened for me and they looked for me in open spots. They got me the ball. It’s a team game. I’m a team player first and then individual awards come with it.”

To say he does Pitt fans, students and alum proud is putting it mildly.

Pitt’s inside game is still something of a question mark. Zanna’s performance against Maryland was encouraging. And I thought Dante Taylor looks a lot better than he did last year. He still has a tendency to be a little weak going up for close scores. Choosing to shoot too low and making it easy to block rather than going stronger. But his footwork is better, especially on defense. Some thought the inside for Pitt is better than expected, while others see it as a continuing concern.

Despite winning with 79 points on Thursday, since Pitt scored 68 and held a Longhorn team that wants to run and gun in check, the typical “blue-collar” grinding defense, beat-em-up Pitt stereotype was in force. Make no mistake, Pitt can and will play a tough defense, but this team has a lot more offense and ability to run than in the past. The fact that Pitt can alter its style and tempo accordingly to make it harder on a team — like Texas is just another one of this team’s strengths.

Jason King at Yahoo! nails it.

Still, each time Pittsburgh defeats teams stocked with bigger, faster, more athletic players who are months away from becoming future millionaires, Dixon hears the same comment.

The Panthers, people like to say, win ugly. Dixon smiled when the refrain surfaced again.

“I guess that’s better than losing pretty,” he said, and in some ways it was hard to tell if Dixon was amused or annoyed.

“Offensively, we’re one of the most efficient teams in the country year in and year out,” he said. “We outrebound people. We don’t turn it over. To me, those are pretty good stats. I don’t know what adjective you want to use.

“All I know is that we have good kids that play hard and believe in each other. That’s what helps you win.”

Dixon’s philosophy couldn’t have rung any truer in the Garden, when Texas did everything it could to overtake Pittsburgh’s 10-point second-half lead. Three times during the final six minutes, the Longhorns pulled within a possession of Pittsburgh – only to see Dixon’s squad answer with a clutch shot on the other end.

These rest are all well worth reading for the warm glow of team. All are strong on the team concept of Pitt along with the greater than the sum of their parts stuff.

Whether it is the fact that this team is well-disciplined and low-ego:

Yet, a team with one likely surefire NBA guy just came out on top over a Texas club that could feature a trio of first-round picks.

“They understand their roles,” Texas coach Rick Barnes said of Pittsburgh. “And they play hard.”

Those are a pair of compliments that rank about as high as you’ll get via an opposing coach.

They defend, screen for their teammates and don’t have much flash or sizzle.

In a day and age where style usually wins out over substance, Dixon’s somehow managed to flip that with his players.

Dana O’Neil at ESPN.com has the piece that really pushes that storyline.

Yet when Dixon went out to evaluate them, he wasn’t merely measuring their vertical leap and checking out their crossovers; he was looking for guys willing to check their egos at the door, searching for a kid who might have been a high school phenom but was content to average 12 in his college career.

In other words, these are guys just like him.

Dixon is different from many of his peers. He is not a preening promoter yearning for the spotlight. He wants to coach, not shill, sell, Tweet or boast.

And he’s not about to let his players act any differently.

“He gets his point across,” Gibbs said. “He yells. Oh yeah, he yells. If you don’t play defense and rebound, you don’t play. It’s pretty simple.”

Dixon, though, is hardly a modern-day Bob Knight. Demanding? Yes. But he’s not interested in breaking his player’s will. Rather he gets players with the right kind of will to begin with.

That was a lesson J.J. Moore had reinforced against Texas. He was in for barely a minute late in the first half, and that was it. Why? Because right after he got in, he tried to do it all himself on offense. He got the ball and tried to force a wild shot. He never even looked around for open teammates. He was trying to show he should be out there. Instead, he showed why he wouldn’t return. Coach Dixon did it with plenty of other freshmen who didn’t think of the team. Whether it was Keith Benjamin, Woodall and now Moore. Moore was more interested in trying to score by himself than in the team. It was a mistake, and I’m sure Moore will learn and be better from it.





you hit the nail on the head chas enjoyed your comments.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.10 @ 1:55 pm

chas malcolm gilbert is very smart he could have went to penn or yale could thay bring him in on full academic scholarship and than be a walk on for basketball could that work than one less would have to leave

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.10 @ 2:43 pm

My son does this “Little Panthers” thing at Pitt on Sundays. Ashton has been there, just for a few minutes, the last weeks. Last night, G. Brown was there, too. Both were in street clothes. Many kids asked Ashton to sign their balls. Nobody asked Gil for his. I had to wonder what was going through his mind at that moment.

Comment by Carmen 11.22.10 @ 2:44 pm

Nice to walk away with some early wins against some tough teams. This has to be one of the deepest teams Pitt has ever had.

By the way, did anyone see how Jaime Dixon expressed no emotion after his team won. What a jerk-off, shouldn’t he be proud of his kids??

Just Kidding!

Comment by Coach Ditka 11.22.10 @ 2:52 pm

I have been hard on Gibbs and still think he should be playing most of his minutes with Woodall instead of #1 on the bench. However, his 3 with Pitt hanging on to a 1 point lead is about as clutch of a shot as you are going to see. He let if fly with no hesitation, completely in the flow of the offense, and drilled it. Big time shot and reminded me of another #2 for Pitt, Mr. Fields, a few years back.

Woodall played a great tournament, but he needs to hit that free-throw. He also needs to pass more, dribble less. If he continues to play smart basketball, then Pitt will be a much better team.

Nasir Robinson and Talib Zanna are a great duo at the 4. Two diverse players with completely different bodies and playing styles. Zanna is athletic, long, and tall. He gets off the floor for rebounds and put-backs. Robinson is under-sized, sneaky athletic, and plays position rebounding and defense. Robinson has an off the dribble game that is helpful at the 4. These two complement each other very well. Jamie Dixon now has the luxury of playing the match-up at the 4.

Wanny has been steady. He needs to finish those drives and play under control. His defense has been great this year. He is having a very nice start to the season.

Taylor has really played well the last few games. I like what I see out of him. He is an elite offensive rebounder. Needs to finish more often, but he has certainly improved. McGhee has been a great player on one end and iffy on the other. He should get better on offense.

Patterson is struggling mightily on defense. He is struggling so much that Dixon is having trouble keeping him in the game. At least that was the case against Texas. Moore hasn’t played much against the higher level teams. Hopefully Jamie sticks with him. Freshman tend to get much better as the season progresses and can help win a game in March.

Great start to the year. Pitt basketball is a blast. MSG was awesome on Friday. If you haven’t already, try to make a trip up to the garden for a game. It is a lot of fun.

Comment by Omar 11.22.10 @ 2:57 pm

“Yet, a team with one likely surefire NBA guy just came out on top over a Texas club that could feature a trio of first-round picks.”

Who’s our surefire NBA guy? Taylor? Zanna? Not Brown or Wanamaker, right??

Comment by merlin 11.22.10 @ 3:35 pm

I second merlin’s question. Who is our surefire NBA guy?

Comment by Jeff in CPa 11.22.10 @ 4:10 pm

Omar and Chas, great analysis. I cannot believe the High BBall IQ on this post.

I think Pitt has to fix two things to move forward in the dance this year. We must have a post presence on offense and start running plays to and for our centers….Woodall must improve his offense. He is the single most critical player against the tough guard oriented teams we play…Nova, Marq.etc.and frees Gibbs at the 2 to shoot. Think his defense has improved massively. Needs to make his FT’s obviously.
I love this team and this coach. Gil Brown aside, he cannot play any worse. Love Zanna.

There were a lot of very tired legs agains Texas.

Playing these tough teams early is a lot better than going 16-0 against patsies. Cannot wait for Bobby Mo!

Comment by Dan 72 11.22.10 @ 4:16 pm

I think the best thing about Gibbs at PG is that he is the anti-Krauser. Even Levance was a little too confident in his mediocre shot — he made some big ones, but he usually didn’t get them in the flow of the offense like Gibbs (Fields also missed some big ones too). Gibbs as a junior is one of the leaders, and its great that his level head will be around next year when we’ll have a young-ish team with some tremendous athletes who may be difficult to keep playing within themselves.

Also, I think our guards are pretty must what they are — which is fine and good. Brown, Wannamaker and Gibbs are at their ceiling which is a decent ceiling. Woodall’s play may get more consistent, but I think we know what his ceiling is (again a decent ceiling). The X factor, in my mind, is how are Zanna & Taylor going to develop over the year. They’re both showing promise and I don’t think anyone knows what their ceiling is but however much improvement they make I think is going to translate into how far we go in the tournament.
Great, solid wins. Some non-conf warm ups and I think we’re ready for Big East play.

Comment by PantherP 11.22.10 @ 4:43 pm

Agree, Dan 72, great posts Chas and Omar. Omar: I think you’re getting what you want most of the time with Woody and Gibbs. It seems that Jamie is working the rotation to pair them as much as possible. It would be interesting to see the stats on Woodall’s playing time with Gibbs and Wanny respectively.

On another subject: Did anyone notice that they were playing the hedge differently, particularly when Taylor was in there? It looked like they were rotating the PF over on Thompson when he rolled off the high ball screen instead of having Taylor chase him back. Not sure if that was to compensate for Taylor’s struggles on that or to compensate for Thompson’s quickness, but I don’t recall seeing that before.

Comment by TampaT 11.22.10 @ 5:29 pm

Great analysis, all yinz.

Comment by steve 11.22.10 @ 7:12 pm

Great overall recap / analysis. Agree that Taylor still needs to get stronger,and also has to quit bringing the ball low before going up with a shot.

I look forward to a game where the halftime analysis won’t inlcude all the easy shots that were missed.

It seems that tat Dixon’s biggest problem may be trying to keep everyone happy .. but then again, apparently he is not in the position to try to talk anyone out of leaving.

Comment by wbb 11.22.10 @ 7:14 pm

Thanks for the props fellas.

TampaT: I think you’re right. Jamie has to see that it is easier for Gibbs to get shots when both Wanny and Tray are on the floor.

Now if we can only get Mr. Brown going. He has had a tough start to the year. Odd considering this is his 12th year. I’m sure he will come around and have a few big game this season. Hopefully they are in march or April.

Comment by Omar 11.22.10 @ 8:14 pm

panther digest monday night dixon confirmed birch signing .

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.10 @ 11:02 pm

Great posts, guys. I would also like to add the underrated play of Mcghee on defense. His offensive game is what it is, but his ability to seal baselines, stop and redirect shots, and force more talented bigs to shoot low percentage shots is truly a blessing for this team. Plus, his ability to rebound on the defensive end is an asset that will serve us well in be play.

Comment by Pauly P 11.22.10 @ 11:49 pm

what did dixon mean abought birchwhen he said i cant get into academics why bring it up at all if the kid does not have the grades why sign him why go thru all this trouble

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.10 @ 11:58 pm

Omar, I think we have too high expectations for G Brown.

Every single media guide since he’s been at Pitt has him listed as “an athletically gifted and talented” forward.

Yet he really isn’t that quick, his long strides notwithstanding.

And have you ever seen him drive to the left? He might start left, but quickly switches to the right. Defenders will overplay him right.

Now I love Gilbert’s enthusiasm and effort, don’t get me wrong. But maybe we’re expecting too much from him.

Comment by steve 11.23.10 @ 7:00 am

I must disagree with you, Omar on one point…Wanny. Under tournament competition, his defense has been terrible. Numerous occassions, he has been burned back door and off the dribble.

I won’t argue his offensive game, because I think the bad outwieghs the good….but you can’t argue with the stats, the drive kicks for open 3s for our guards, or his rebounding (which I think is very good). His erratic drives, turnovers, and poor decisions in key situations are simply mindnumbing for a senior that has played this long.

In one sequence against Maryland, he gave up a layup to a better guard (off the dribble), turned the ball over on a charge, fell asleep on his man back door for an easy jam, and threw a pass that was intercepted for an easy layup.

We were up 7 at the time and the lead evaporated to 3 in less than 1 minute.

I’m not saying the kid is garbage, so hold off on the Wanny loving…just simply, his play has not been excellent in my opinion…especially against tournament teams on away or neutral courts.

Comment by Pauly P 11.23.10 @ 8:23 am

Marquette gives Duke a pretty good game last night. What were they picked, about 10th in the league? Should be an intresting conference season.

Comment by alcofan 11.23.10 @ 8:53 am

How Jamie molds this team will be very interesting. Eleven players have their upsides as well as his downsides, and who becomes the go-to-guy in each game will probably be a function of match-ups.

Really looking forward to how this season unfolds.

Comment by steve 11.23.10 @ 8:58 am

Pauly:

The Maryland game was Wanny’s worst of the year. He still ended with 10 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 assists. He was in foul trouble and never got into the flow.

I’m not sure, I think Wanny is the best player on the team and has been for 2 years now. He can get to the rim on anybody he wants, rebounds like a forward, passes the ball, plays solid defense, can start, run and finish a fast break, and is a great leader. Honestly, I think Wanny is one of the most underrated players that we have had in the last 10 years. Great kid that has improved every year and made some big plays to win games. I am a huge fan of #22.

Comment by Omar 11.23.10 @ 9:32 am

Pauly P: Seem to remember that Wanny was your favorite whipping boy last year, but at least you haven’t called him “nothing more than a stat-stuffer” so he must have win you over, a little. 🙂

But, you are correct. He did not have a good tourney. I think it’s like steve said, you have to take the bad with the good with each of these kids, but overall there’s enough good to offset the bad. It will all come down to Jamie creating the best match-ups.

Comment by TampaT 11.23.10 @ 9:35 am

Wanamaker got in foul trouble in the whistle happy game vs. Maryland. It happens. It’s not a mind numbing deficiancy in his game. Against Texas, he played very well. In one sequence, he grabbed a tough defensive rebound, threw a pass down to an open man, then hustled down to the offensive end, grabbed the rebound on the Pitt miss, tossed it out to Brown, who knocked it down for a three. Great play. He had 9pts, 6 rebounds, and 5 assists- which is a damn good line on a nuetral court against a good team like Texas. By season’s end he’ll be 2nd or 3rd team all Big East.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 11.23.10 @ 9:47 am

The basketball discussion is so much more positive then the football ones !

Comment by Snala The Panther 11.23.10 @ 9:48 am

the west virgina mountaineers fans are low life pigs pond scum.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.10 @ 11:37 am

Regarding Coach Dixon’s reluctance to discuss Birch’s (or anybody else’s) academic situation, I think he is not permitted to discuss specific academic issues at this point, if not because of NCAA regulations then because of privacy issues. My recollection is that Birch is a good student, so I don’t think this is an issue with grades. He will have to meet whatever graduation requirements his current prep school has, so that may still be getting worked out. More to the point, Dixon hinted that one of the other incoming recruits may go to prep school for a year, so this may be his way of simply letting everyone know that he will not be discussing these issues publicly.

I have to wonder if Birch coming in early means we may actually get to see him for 2 years instead of 1. With Birch, Taylor and Zanna, Pitt may not have a true center, but three 6’9″ athletic forwards could be very interesting.

Comment by Pantherman13 11.23.10 @ 11:41 am

Steve – I agree on Gil Brown. I think I’ve said it before here, but at this point, he is what he is. He is very athletic in the open court, and actually has decent court vision, but his ball handling in traffic is not particularly good, and his release on his shot is horribly inconsistent. He’ll have his moments offensively, but too often he plays to his weaknesses instead of his strengths, particularly in the half court offense (e.g., firing up 3 pointers). I really think his most valuable contributions this season could be on defense and the boards (particularly from the small forward position), but he needs to commit to such a role.

Comment by Pantherman13 11.23.10 @ 11:50 am

pantherman13 i read a story posted on the day they found out birch was comeing early from the tornment national prep showcase that said birch would not have the grades to get in school in 2012 let alone 2011 that was the talk of around national prep showcase that is why i worry.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.10 @ 12:52 pm

Grades aren’t Birch’s problem. He is Canadian. Many of his classes are from his time in Canada. Pitt isn’t sure which of those classes will or will not be accepted by the NCAA clearinghouse. They have to figure this out and make sure he retakes the courses that will not be accepted by the clearinghouse.

Comment by Omar 11.23.10 @ 2:44 pm

Omar – thanks for the clarification.

Comment by Pantherman13 11.23.10 @ 3:47 pm

Wanny has won me over, Tampa T…he really has… look no further than the Louiville game last year and the Xavier game in the tourney. He was excellent in those games.

but, as my point to Omar was simply that I’m not ready to say he had an excellent tournament…

Wanny will make some key plays this year that will make me sing his praises, I’m sure of that. But his bad plays seem to happen against big time competition during critical points in the game.

I was just hoping that this year he would have that “calming effect” on the court when the team has a lead. That effect requires smart decisions in key situations. I see that more and more with Gibbs (at the line) and Nasir (in the paint).

Comment by Pauly P 11.23.10 @ 6:21 pm

thnk you omar for the clarifcation the post from the tournament said he would not qualify i thought thought thay ment grades i did not think of what you said thanks for info.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.23.10 @ 6:22 pm

Watching our boys vs. RMU, Wanny’s real strength is his ability to go both left and right with equal effectiveness.

Comment by steve 11.23.10 @ 7:27 pm

Wanny is a triple double waiting to happen each and every game…loving the team this year…it’s our deepest and possibly our best on our recent run…..

Comment by Schoey 11.23.10 @ 9:12 pm

A nice win for Pitt over a good RM team without their star. The BIG NEWS, mt friends is that YCONN just upset the Spartans in R.Lansing. That is a big plus for the BIG EAST. I meant to write UCONN, Sorry, its late here in the mid west. Rev George

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 11.23.10 @ 9:40 pm

Rev. George, I love your posts, but you now have me curious. With regard to your typo, why didn’t you just correct it since you discovered it before you posted your comments?

Comment by BigGuy 11.23.10 @ 10:28 pm

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